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Cold Case Posse video fraud: it gets worse

In my previous article, Indicting Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse, I showed that the screen shot described as a “1961 vital statistics instruction manual” actually came from 1968. It gets worse.

Later in, two minutes into the video, we see this image:

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That image is followed by this:

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How did the Cold Case Posse know that they had the “Correct Manual?” They knew it because they got that image from the notoriously dishonest birther blog, The Daily Pen.

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It now appears that the Cold Case Posse found that article in The Daily Pen, unaware that I had proved it a fraud way back last March, and believed it. They called Verna Lee to dress the story up, and then made it into a video, lying that they had investigated and found a 1961 manual, when they had in fact not. The image above, by the way, is derived from the 1969 manual, with The Daily Pen’s tell-tale red box.

The Cold Case Posse is pathetic.

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116 Responses to Cold Case Posse video fraud: it gets worse

  1. avatar
    john July 21, 2012 at 12:36 pm #

    Verna Lee provided the correct information.

  2. avatar
    neonzx July 21, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

    Mike Zullo wouldn’t even qualify to be a “Pet Detective.” Pathetic is right.

  3. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 21, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    neonzx:
    Mike Zullo wouldn’t even qualify to be a “Pet Detective.”Pathetic is right.

    Mike Zullo isn’t qualified to talk with his butt!

  4. avatar
    john July 21, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    “It now appears that the Cold Case Posse found that article in The Daily Pen, unaware that I had proved it a fraud way back last March, and believed it.”

    Doc C. you appear to be deliberately distorting the facts. I call your attention to the Daily Pen Article you cite: http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2012/02/vital-records-indicate-obama-not-born_29.html#comment-form

    If you look at the comments there only 27 comments. This does not appear to be a well-read blog. However, pay attention to following comment:

    JamesMarch 4, 2012 7:29 PM
    Doc C. wrote a hit piece on your write up.
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/decoding-the-long-form-part-1/

    If The CCP had discovered this article and information as you suggest, they would have read to comments. There are only 27 comments to read. This would discovered you article at that time.
    Therefore, your comment “It now appears that the Cold Case Posse found that article in The Daily Pen, unaware that I had proved it a fraud…” appears to be deliberate distortion of the facts.–

  5. avatar
    Reality Check July 21, 2012 at 1:12 pm #

    Are these “corrections” Gillar just made to the video today? Those were not in the original at the press conference were they? “Production error”. How about “we lied our asses off”?

  6. avatar
    charo July 21, 2012 at 1:14 pm #

    No h/t to foreigner?

  7. avatar
    richCares July 21, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

    “Mike Zullo wouldn’t even qualify to be a “Pet Detective.”Pathetic is right.”
    .

    Jim Carrey considers this an insult, please apologize !

  8. avatar
    john July 21, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

    Dr. Corsi has worked very closely with the CCP. Dr. Corsi is highly aware of Doc C. Blog. If Doc C. wrote something about this topic you can take it to the bank that Dr. Corsi is well aware of the article. If the article was cited in the comments of the Daily Penn Article, you be sure that the CCP and Dr. Corsik new about Doc C’s article. However, after investigating, they did feel that Doc C. was not right or even credible. It appears that the Daily Pen was right all along and this further confirmed by a federal official and Verna Lee

  9. avatar
    JPotter July 21, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

    On the 17th Zullo called out a couple errors in the rerun videos. Which had me sighing. Why reply a homemade video that the CCCP had decided had errors? And why is a police investigation putting on presentations? What’s next, Powerpoint? (Please, gods, no!!!)

    Why not set there “experts” up and run through 600 flawed “tests” in front of witnesses? ;)

    Could be an ongoing performance art installation.

  10. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 21, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

    Apparently not, since they used a screen shot from the Daily Pen blot blog, from the very article I had shown fraudulent last March.

    Birthers like Corsi, are too deeply committed to their delusions to do any real fact checking. As soon as they arrive at something that agrees with their bias, they bite like a fish on an artificial fly.

    john: Dr. Corsi has worked very closely with the CCP. Dr. Corsi is highly aware of Doc C. Blog. If Doc C. wrote something about this topic you can take it to the bank that Dr. Corsi is well aware of the article.

  11. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 21, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

    JPotter: why is a police investigation putting on presentations?

    It isn’t a “police investigation”. That’s why. My dog (when it lived in Arizona) had the same police powers as Zullo and the rest of the “posse”.

    It is a charade. It makes “Car 54 Where Are You?” look like a documetary.

  12. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 21, 2012 at 1:45 pm #

    john: Dr. Corsi has worked very closely with the CCP. Dr. Corsi is highly aware of Doc C. Blog

    How do you know? Are you in contact with “Dr.” Corsi? Are you a member of the “posse”” How do you know, John???

  13. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 21, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

    And exactly where can I read Ms. Lee’s statement in her own words?

    If you think the codes are right, you never understood the article where I proved beyond any possible doubt that they were not.

    john: It appears that the Daily Pen was right all along and this further confirmed by a federal official and Verna Lee

  14. avatar
    justlw July 21, 2012 at 1:49 pm #

    CarlOrcas: How do you know?

    Presumably the same way he knew that

    john:
    Verna Lee provided the correct information.

    I think we have conclusive (birfer-style) proof that “John” is actually Mike Zullo.

  15. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 21, 2012 at 1:51 pm #

    justlw: I think we have conclusive (birfer-style) proof that “John” is actually Mike Zullo

    By John’s usual standard of proof I believe you have nailed it…..conclusively, as they say.

  16. avatar
    foreigner July 21, 2012 at 1:57 pm #

    so the posse claims they have the correct manual but refuse to show it ??
    Still they claim for fraud,forgery,

    what reason do they give for not showing it ?

  17. avatar
    justlw July 21, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

    It would appear that the two cues ( :33 and and 2:13 ) mentioned in the post-production “oopsy” bubble in the first image above point to the 1968 code set, rather than the 1961 code set that they say is in those two places — is that right?

  18. avatar
    donna July 21, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    John: Dr. Corsi has worked very closely with the CCP.

    that was arpaio’s FIRST mistake – when you open a “cold case” investigation, you start at the BEGINNING with “fresh eyes”

    trump did the same – his supposed “investigators” were corsi and wing nutzz daily

    there has been nothing new but already debunked assertions from SUPPOSED “journalists” who report “facts” based on “proof” asserted by “experts” who provide “evidence”

    NONE of it has been proven by triers of fact –

    in a court of law, documents are admitted as “evidence” when an attorney says “your honor, i would like to admit this into evidence as defense/prosecution ‘exhibit x’ “.

    the triers of fact then weigh the “evidence” as to its veracity

  19. avatar
    justlw July 21, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

    justlw:
    It would appear that the two cues ( :33 and and 2:13 ) mentioned in the post-production “oopsy” bubble in the first image above point to the 1968 code set, rather than the 1961 code set that they say is in those two places — is that right?

    My bad. They don’t say those images are of the 1961 code set. They say they’re reflective of the 1961 coding policy.

    Which is a lie, unless by “reflective” they’re referring to a fun house mirror.

  20. avatar
    bgansel9 July 21, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

    john:
    Dr. Corsi has worked very closely with the CCP.Dr. Corsi is highly aware of Doc C. Blog.If Doc C. wrote something about this topic you can take it to the bank that Dr. Corsi is well aware of the article.

    There are only two courses of action for you john. Either seek mental help because you’re so in the tank you have no control over grasping the truth, or go donate and send them all of your money since that is why they are doing this. Pick one.

  21. avatar
    bgansel9 July 21, 2012 at 2:22 pm #

    foreigner:

    what reason do they give for not showing it ?

    The fact that it would blow their case apart? LOL (they only talk about that in private).

  22. avatar
    neonzx July 21, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    Okay then. I’m Sorry, Jim Carrey. But, like I said, Zullo wouldn’t even qualify as a Pet Detective. At least Ace Ventura could actually solve a case.

    Apparently unemployed Mike Zullo is so much more ridiculous than fictional Ace, right down to the toy law enforcement “badge” he wore on his belt during the press conference.

    “Pathetic” might be too generous, Doc C.

    richCares:
    “Mike Zullo wouldn’t even qualify to be a “Pet Detective.”Pathetic is right.”
    .

    Jim Carrey considers this an insult, please apologize !

  23. avatar
    Arthur July 21, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

    justlw: My bad. They don’t say those images are of the 1961 code set. They say they’re reflective of the 1961 coding policy.

    Right. And to use their standards of accuracy, a hippo is reflective of a rhino, just as a Great Dane is reflective of a small deer, and a lie is reflective of the truth.

  24. avatar
    richCares July 21, 2012 at 2:50 pm #

    as for Zullo “…right down to the toy law enforcement “badge” he wore on his belt during the press conference”
    if you enlarge that picture you will notice the logo on the badge, it says – Cracker Jack!

  25. avatar
    Reality Check July 21, 2012 at 3:11 pm #

    I emailed Mike Zullo the same night after the press conference to tell him that they had used the wrong codes. He forwarded the email to Jerome Corsi and Corsi asked me to send him what I had. I can assure you he was not aware of Doctor Conspiracy’s article debunking The Daily Pen. You can take it to the bank.

    john: Dr. Corsi has worked very closely with the CCP. Dr. Corsi is highly aware of Doc C. Blog. If Doc C. wrote something about this topic you can take it to the bank that Dr. Corsi is well aware of the article.

  26. avatar
    Mark Sutherland July 21, 2012 at 3:22 pm #

    We can all agree to disagree about this. We all feel very strongly either way about it. Instead of arguing, perhaps we can at least agree that there are sufficient grounds for a Congressional investigation into the birth certificate issue.

  27. avatar
    Northland10 July 21, 2012 at 3:40 pm #

    Mark Sutherland: perhaps we can at least agree that there are sufficient grounds for a Congressional investigation into the birth certificate issue.

    No, we cannot agree that there are sufficient grounds. Made up proof is not sufficient grounds.

  28. avatar
    Andy July 21, 2012 at 3:41 pm #

    Mark Sutherland:
    We can all agree to disagree about this.We all feel very strongly either way about it.Instead of arguing, perhaps we can at least agree that there are sufficient grounds for a Congressional investigation into the birth certificate issue.

    Why would anyone care to investigate the codes on the birth certificate? Doc C has only done so because birthers are so dependent on this cause, that they will use false statements and outright lies to make a point. There are no grounds, whatsoever, to even consider an investigation.

    Hawaii has verified ad nauseum that Obama was born there. Unless there is any credible evidence to the contrary, there is no reason for an investigation.

  29. avatar
    JPotter July 21, 2012 at 3:45 pm #

    Mark Sutherland: perhaps we can at least agree that there are sufficient grounds for a Congressional investigation into the birth certificate issue.

    LOL! Perhaps not. Lies need not be dignified. Bounce, Mark.

    On the other hand, Congress does waste time investigating lots of silly things. I am somewhat surprised the Red House hasn’t gone for it, it’d fit their MO. However, I see no reason to condone those wasted efforts, either.

  30. avatar
    Joe Acerbic July 21, 2012 at 3:52 pm #

    Mark Sutherland:
    We all feel very strongly either way about it.

    That right there is one of the main reasons this nation is such a mess right now: these days, so called “conservatives” disregard facts; all that matters to them is how they FEEL about things.

  31. avatar
    BillTheCat July 21, 2012 at 3:54 pm #

    Mark Sutherland:
    We can all agree to disagree about this.We all feel very strongly either way about it.Instead of arguing, perhaps we can at least agree that there are sufficient grounds for a Congressional investigation into the birth certificate issue.

    Lol no, I don’t think many agree at all. Congress will never, ever take this fantasy non-issue up. Because as crazy as some of the Senators and house members are these days, they aren’t *that* crazy.

  32. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 21, 2012 at 3:56 pm #

    Mark Sutherland: Instead of arguing, perhaps we can at least agree that there are sufficient grounds for a Congressional investigation into the birth certificate issue.

    Investigate what? Hawaii has repeatedly and clearly certified its records are accurate and complete.

    Don’t you think that if there was the slightest chance that there was something to all the theories floating around that some Republicans would be pushing for a Congressional investigation? How about Darrell Issa? He hasn’t been shy about going after the President. Why do you think he and others have passed on this one????

  33. avatar
    john July 21, 2012 at 4:00 pm #

    “I emailed Mike Zullo the same night after the press conference to tell him that they had used the wrong codes. He forwarded the email to Jerome Corsi and Corsi asked me to send him what I had. I can assure you he was not aware of Doctor Conspiracy’s article debunking The Daily Pen. You can take it to the bank.”

    Perhaps you will share the email correspondence RC. Dr. Corsi may be playing dumb for you. He knows about Doc C’s article. Dr. Corsi even mentions Doc C. in “Where’s The Birth Certificate”. Trust me dude, Dr. Corsi knows all about Doc C and his distortions of truth and fact he presents on his blog.

  34. avatar
    JD Reed July 21, 2012 at 4:06 pm #

    Northland10: No, we cannot agree that there are sufficient grounds. Made up proof is not sufficient grounds.

    Noirthland, you shoulda put proof in quotes, just to make it clear that what the birthers consider as “proof” is ludicrous. Your comment is dead-on.

  35. avatar
    Arthur July 21, 2012 at 4:11 pm #

    Mark Sutherland: there are sufficient grounds for a Congressional investigation into the birth certificate issue.

    There aren’t sufficient grounds to make a weak cup of coffee.

  36. avatar
    Arthur B. July 21, 2012 at 4:18 pm #

    Mark Sutherland: …perhaps we can at least agree that there are sufficient grounds for a Congressional investigation into the birth certificate issue.

    Yes, let’s agree! I would love for the Republican-controlled House to make a big deal over this. The ludicrous non-evidence would be exposed immediately as totally bogus and the birthers would be made into an even bigger laughing-stock than they already are. It would rub off big-time on any political leaders foolish enough to go along with it.

    Please, do it!

  37. avatar
    Scientist July 21, 2012 at 4:20 pm #

    Mark Sutherland: We all feel very strongly either way about it.

    I don’t feel strongly at all. I regard the whole thing as a foolish diversion from the real issues of the economy, war and peace, education, health care. etc. You know, stuff that affects people’s lives. Would you actually rank a 1961 Hawaiian birth certificate ahead of any of those? Seriously?

    As for the current Congress, they can’t pass any legislation beyond naming post offices. Their approval ratiings are barely above Jerry Sandusky’s. I wouldn’t trust them to tell the time of day, let alone investigate something.

  38. avatar
    misha July 21, 2012 at 4:23 pm #

    neonzx: Mike Zullo wouldn’t even qualify to be a “Pet Detective.”

    Nick Danger is a better detective.

  39. avatar
    misha July 21, 2012 at 4:29 pm #

    There aren’t sufficient grounds to make a weak cup of coffee. [bada-bing]

  40. avatar
    foreigner July 21, 2012 at 4:30 pm #

    Mark Sutherland: We can all agree to disagree about this. We all feel very strongly either way about it. Instead of arguing, perhaps we can at least agree that there are sufficient grounds for a Congressional investigation into the birth certificate issue.

    I would agree. Start with a $1000 worth investigation and then decide
    whether it’s worth to expand to $10000 etc.

  41. avatar
    misha July 21, 2012 at 4:34 pm #

    Mark Sutherland: We all feel very strongly either way about it.

    I feel very strongly that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl.

  42. avatar
    Scientist July 21, 2012 at 4:36 pm #

    foreigner: I would agree. Start with a $1000 worth investigation and then decidewhether it’s worth to expand to $10000 etc.

    That’s very generous of you, since you don’t pay US taxes and it isn’t your money. I think the Bundestag should spend 1 trillion euros investigating Frau Merkel. I won’t be paying for it, so why not?

  43. avatar
    foreigner July 21, 2012 at 4:36 pm #

    hmm, we could form another more balanced posse consisting of Dr.C,Woodman,Zullo,
    Corsi – discussing in public before they agree on common statements

  44. avatar
    Arthur July 21, 2012 at 4:39 pm #

    Thanks a lot foreigner! Upon reading your latest posts, I laughed so loudly I woke up my wife, who was taking a nap on the couch. Now she’s pissed and grumpy and that probably means no whoopee tonight. Could you please dial down the ridiculousness of your comments?

  45. avatar
    Arthur B. July 21, 2012 at 4:43 pm #

    foreigner: hmm, we could form another more balanced posse

    The facts have long since been determined, whether you wish to acknowledge it or not. We don’t need no stinkin’ posse.

  46. avatar
    foreigner July 21, 2012 at 4:44 pm #

    ohh, $1000 would be

    Scientist: That’s very generous of you, since you don’t pay US taxes and it isn’t your money. I think the Bundestag should spend 1 trillion euros investigating Frau Merkel. I won’t be paying for it, so why not?

    ohh, $1000 would only be 3.2e-4 cents per US.citizen or 1.5e-3 cents for those
    who believe Obama wasn’t born in USA only.

    Once >10% of Germans in a poll say they doubt Merkel’s citizenship,
    I’d also be for an examination but not 1 trillion, I don’t really know
    how you arrive at that number.
    And although AFAIK we have no constitutional requirement of birth for
    our chancellor.

  47. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 21, 2012 at 4:46 pm #

    I think that is an excellent idea. If enforced, the public would never have hear about birthers again.

    Seriously though, none of the persons you listed is qualified to be part of the investigation. And a real investigation isn’t carried out before the public.

    foreigner: hmm, we could form another more balanced posse consisting of Dr.C,Woodman,Zullo,
    Corsi – discussing in public before they agree on common statements

  48. avatar
    Paper July 21, 2012 at 4:50 pm #

    As I previously mentioned, in America people don’t care how much private people and businesses spend on their own dime, millions so what, but if the government spends a single penny, they will be looking at it through a microscope, complaining about the nano-thickness of the penny.

    Besides, $1,000 wouldn’t pay for diddly.

    Here’s what it cost Starr to investigate Clinton, $40 million plus.

    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/02/01/starr.costs/

    Please hire your own investigators and get to work.

    foreigner: ohh, $1000 would only be 3.2e-4 cents per US.citizen or 1.5e-3 cents for those
    who believe Obama wasn’t born in USA only.

  49. avatar
    Scientist July 21, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

    foreigner: ohh, $1000 would only be 3.2e-4 cents per US.citizen or 1.5e-3 cents for those
    who believe Obama wasn’t born in USA only.

    Congress couldn’t buy coffee and donuts for the commitee and staff for $1000.

    foreigner: Once >10% of Germans in a poll say they doubt Merkel’s citizenship,

    Has a poll been taken? I doubt it, so you don’t know. Anyway, I bet 10% in a poll in either country doubt the earth is spheroid and doubt that gravity exists. Should Congress or the Bundestag investigate that? How much should they budget?

    This issue is a trivial distraction from real issues. You may be fooled into thinking it is important, but I am not and most people aren’t either. Suppose Abraham Lincoln had been born on the moon; all the great things he did would be no less great. Birth lasts a few seconds-it’s the rest of a person’s life that counts. You have a VERY narrow-minded fixation on birth-did you suffer some trauma?

  50. avatar
    GLaB July 21, 2012 at 4:56 pm #

    john: Verna Lee provided the correct information.

    You mean “Ukele Lee,” don’t you? LOL

    Link me to the phone interview. I want to hear it.

  51. avatar
    GLaB July 21, 2012 at 4:59 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Apparently not, since they used a screen shot from the Daily Pen blot blog, from the very article I had shown fraudulent last March.Birthers like Corsi, are too deeply committed to their delusions to do any real fact checking. As soon as they arrive at something that agrees with their bias, they bite like a fish on an artificial fly.

    But this was particularly careless. Their mounting desperation is showing through.

  52. avatar
    GLaB July 21, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

    re: John

    I’m not sure why anyone bothers to respond to this troll. He clearly doesn’t believe a word he says, he’s just contradicting everything as a lark.

    There was a movie called “Guide For The Married Man” (or something like that) with Walter Matthau and Robert Morse; and the particular skit I’m talking about featured Sid Caesar, I think. Sid’s wife walked in on him in flagrante delicto, and he and the chick calmly put on their clothes, gathered up her things, sent her on her way and Sid sat down with a pipe and the evening paper, all the while answering every objection by his wife with “what woman?” “what bed?” “what dress?” “where?” “when?” etc.

    Matthau: “But what if …”
    Morse: “Deny”
    Matthau: “But wh…”
    Morse “Deny”
    Matthau: “B…”
    Morse: “Deny, deny!”

    That’s John.

  53. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 21, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

    GLaB: Link me to the phone interview. I want to hear it.

    Please let us know when you get it. I can’t hold my breath very long at my age

  54. avatar
    AnotherBird July 21, 2012 at 5:42 pm #

    foreigner:

    Once >10% of Germans in a poll say they doubt Merkel’s citizenship,

    Nice. Sound like a survey that was never conducted.

  55. avatar
    ObiWanCannoli July 21, 2012 at 6:01 pm #

    Perhaps you will share the email correspondence RC.Dr. Corsi may be playing dumb for you.He knows about Doc C’s article.Dr. Corsi even mentions Doc C. in “Where’s The Birth Certificate”.Trust me dude, Dr. Corsi knows all about Doc C and his distortions of truth and fact he presents on his blog.

    Clearly, John is in a panic mode. This is a new low even for John. It will serve him better if he checks into a mental hospital.

  56. avatar
    bgansel9 July 21, 2012 at 6:11 pm #

    Mark Sutherland:
    We can all agree to disagree about this.We all feel very strongly either way about it.Instead of arguing, perhaps we can at least agree that there are sufficient grounds for a Congressional investigation into the birth certificate issue.

    Mark can’t understand that over 100 court cases have been fought on this because he didn’t like the result, so instead, he’s hoping for ONE positive congressional investigation to fix things the way he wants them.

  57. avatar
    bgansel9 July 21, 2012 at 6:15 pm #

    GLaB:
    re:John

    I’m not sure why anyone bothers to respond to this troll.He clearly doesn’t believe a word he says, he’s just contradicting everything as a lark.

    Because a certain segment of society is so clueless (birthers) that they take silence as a win.

  58. avatar
    bgansel9 July 21, 2012 at 6:19 pm #

    Scientist: You have a VERY narrow-minded fixation on birth-did you suffer some trauma?

    Yes, a black man became president.

  59. avatar
    GLaB July 21, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    bgansel9: Because a certain segment of society is so clueless (birthers) that they take silence as a win.

    You prefer: “Dance, silly obot, dance!!! Baahahahah.”

  60. avatar
    bgansel9 July 21, 2012 at 6:25 pm #

    GLaB: “Dance, silly obot, dance!!! Baahahahah.”

    Pointing out facts is not dancing, but it is a public service, and remember, lurkers are always around. Debunking these arguments DOES have a benefit.

  61. avatar
    Reality Check July 21, 2012 at 6:31 pm #

    Sure John. Just get your bud Jerome to send me an email asking me to publish them. He has my email address. He has my permission to publish them himself. He better not fake or edit them though because I have the real deal. Corsi, Zullo, and Gillar are retreating at the speed of light as I type.

    Jerome Corsi doesn’t have to play dumb. It comes naturally for him. After all, he was the guy that got suckered in by Ed Hale in his underwear on the James A. Johnson is Jimbot, the leader of the Obots nonsense.

    john: Perhaps you will share the email correspondence RC. Dr. Corsi may be playing dumb for you. He knows about Doc C’s article. Dr. Corsi even mentions Doc C. in “Where’s The Birth Certificate”. Trust me dude, Dr. Corsi knows all about Doc C and his distortions of truth and fact he presents on his blog.

  62. avatar
    GLaB July 21, 2012 at 6:31 pm #

    bgansel9: Pointing out facts is not dancing, but it is a public service, and remember, lurkers are always around. Debunking these arguments DOES have a benefit.

    True

    bgansel9: Pointing out facts is not dancing, but it is a public service …

    Uh-huh.

    bgansel9: Pointing out facts is not dancing, but it is a public service …

    Got it.

    bgansel9: Pointing out facts is not dancing, but it is a public service …

    .. eh …

    bgansel9: Pointing out facts is not dancing, but it is a public service …

    bgansel9: Pointing out facts is not dancing, but it is a public service …

    Dance, boy, dance.

    You see what I’m saying?

  63. avatar
    DP July 21, 2012 at 6:43 pm #

    john:
    “Perhaps you will share the email correspondence RC.Dr. Corsi may be playing dumb for you.He knows about Doc C’s article.Dr. Corsi even mentions Doc C. in “Where’s The Birth Certificate”.Trust me dude, Dr. Corsi knows all about Doc C and his distortions of truth and fact he presents on his blog.

    If he knows so much about it, why is he incapable of offering even one credible refutation in public? Doc C’s evidence is in the public domain for all to see.

    “I believe, Tink, I believe,” the mouth breathing cretin slurred as Tinkerbelle’s corpse continued to rot and Corsi made off with his wallet.

  64. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 21, 2012 at 6:45 pm #

    Yes, Professor, it is true.

    :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

    Reality Check: Jerome Corsi doesn’t have to play dumb. It comes naturally for him. After all, he was the guy that got suckered in by Ed Hale in his underwear on the James A. Johnson is Jimbot, the leader of the Obots nonsense.

  65. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 21, 2012 at 6:51 pm #

    Where Obama is as certainly born in Hawaii as tomorrow’s sunrise. Any investigation should be made into the money behind the birther movement, and whether there’s any Al Queda input.

    Mark Sutherland: We can all agree to disagree about this. We all feel very strongly either way about it. Instead of arguing, perhaps we can at least agree that there are sufficient grounds for a Congressional investigation into the birth certificate issue.

  66. avatar
    donna July 21, 2012 at 7:00 pm #

    Mark Sutherland: “Congressional investigation”

    ahhh the words of arpaio

    HOWEVER, not even az republicans care two hoots

    3TV reached out to both Senators John McCain (R) Arizona and Jon Kyl (R) Arizona, as well as at least six U.S. Representatives from Arizona, but none of them wanted to comment on the MCSO “birther” findings.

    The joke’s really on the taxpayers and the people who keep putting this guy into office,” said Grant Woods, a former REPUBLICAN Arizona Attorney General. “But once again this is an embarrassment to this country coming out of Arizona.”

    On Tuesday, REPUBLICAN Secretary of State Ken Bennett’s spokesman, Matt Roberts, declined 3TV’s request for a statement and said only that Bennett was “out of town, unavailable and does not have any plans to take action.”

    and bennett is romney’s az co-chair

    As for Governor Jan Brewer, in 2011 she told CNN the “birther” issue is “just something I believe is leading our country down a path of destruction and it just is not serving any good.”

    Her spokesman, Matt Benson, said her position on the issue has not changed.

  67. avatar
    Jason July 21, 2012 at 7:12 pm #

    Excellent work, sir. This is my first visit to your site and as I clicked one of the links a birther had posted, somehow I ended up in a maze of insanity until I saw the headline: “From Conception to Election”. I knew this had to be good.

    The author writes that what the Founding Fathers intended to define as a “Natural Born Citizen” is a person who: was born on US soil, born to both parents whom are American citizens and (I kid you not) on American soil at the time of conception.

    How does one prove geo-locale at time of conception? Is there an app for it? “Facebook and The Immaculate Application would like to use the current location ofyour coitus.”

    “From Conception to Election”. It is so funny that I wish it wasn’t.

    Allow me to compare that quote with, say, the following quote from South Park: “The dolphin has my scrotum.”

    Obviously the more coherent statement is by an animated, post-op transgendered recently-turned lesbian 4th grade teacher. A dolphin taking Ms. Garrison’s scrotum seems more logical and probable than anything a “birther” says.

    There are still “birthers?” Really? REALLY?!?

  68. avatar
    Dave B. July 21, 2012 at 7:12 pm #

    Mark Sutherland:
    …perhaps we can at least agree that there are sufficient grounds for a Congressional investigation into the birth certificate issue.

    Like hell we can.

  69. avatar
    GreatGrey July 21, 2012 at 7:39 pm #

    Mark Sutherland:
    We can all agree to disagree about this.We all feel very strongly either way about it.Instead of arguing, perhaps we can at least agree that there are sufficient grounds for a Congressional investigation into the birth certificate issue.

    Concern troll is concerned.

  70. avatar
    Northland10 July 21, 2012 at 8:25 pm #

    misha:
    There aren’t sufficient grounds to make a weak cup of coffee. [bada-bing]

    :lol:

  71. avatar
    Northland10 July 21, 2012 at 8:27 pm #

    GLaB: re: John

    I’m not sure why anyone bothers to respond to this troll. He clearly doesn’t believe a word he says, he’s just contradicting everything as a lark.

    But what would a town be without their village idiot?

  72. avatar
    Bob July 21, 2012 at 9:39 pm #

    Cold Case Putrid Posse

  73. avatar
    Whatever4 July 21, 2012 at 10:17 pm #

    foreigner:
    hmm, we could form another more balanced posse consisting of Dr.C,Woodman,Zullo,
    Corsi – discussing in public before they agree on common statements

    You are assuming that all parties want to arrive at the truth. That’s far from correct.

  74. avatar
    Whatever4 July 21, 2012 at 10:21 pm #

    foreigner:
    hmm, we could form another more balanced posse consisting of Dr.C,Woodman,Zullo,
    Corsi – discussing in public before they agree on common statements

    You are assuming that all parties want to arrive at the truth. That’s far from correct.

    bgansel9:

  75. avatar
    bgansel9 July 21, 2012 at 11:31 pm #

    GLaB: True

    Uh-huh.

    Got it.

    .. eh …

    Dance, boy, dance.

    You see what I’m saying?

    I see that I’m not a “boy” – you apparently think you know more than you actually do. Now, are you done with this idiotic exercise?

  76. avatar
    bgansel9 July 21, 2012 at 11:36 pm #

    Whatever4: bgansel9

    Did you need something?

  77. avatar
    Jim July 21, 2012 at 11:40 pm #

    foreigner:
    hmm, we could form another more balanced posse consisting of Dr.C,Woodman,Zullo,
    Corsi – discussing in public before they agree on common statements

    Drop Corsi and add a couple of Lawyers from the Fog Bow and let’s go for it! Have Sheriff Joe turn over all his records and let them run a complete internal investigation of Joe’s County Sheriff’s office, with a complete audit of that and the Sheriff’s reelection campaign. They could release their findings the day before the election. I think that’s a very fair idea! And, of course, let them apply the same standards of evidence as the present CCP and let’s see if maybe the good Sheriff should be indicted.

  78. avatar
    Jim July 21, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

    Oops, forgot to also drop Zullo…can’t have a conflict of interest while investigating the good Sheriff!

  79. avatar
    richCares July 22, 2012 at 12:03 am #

    Congrats Doc C., you have turned birferstan topsy turvey

  80. avatar
    Reality Check July 22, 2012 at 12:45 am #

    The comments posted at Mark Gillar’s YouTube channel are a hoot. http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=yft0kz_fbnA

  81. avatar
    nbc July 22, 2012 at 1:11 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Where Obama is as certainly born in Hawaii as tomorrow’s sunrise. Any investigation should be made into the money behind the birther movement, and whether there’s any Al Queda input.

    What about the Russian connection? Pravda, Orly… Hmmm… Surely there must be a reason why the Russians are interested in smearing our President…

    ROTFL… Let’s turn the tables on these idiots. If Arpaio is really concerned he should try to find out why the Pravda is smearing our President with foolish accusations.

  82. avatar
    JPotter July 22, 2012 at 1:12 am #

    richCares:
    Congrats Doc C., you have turned birferstan topsy turvey

    It is fun to see them scramble. :)

    But by getting so far deep into the weeds, so deep into the obscure, they’ve already made themselves even more irrelevant and ridiculous (every time ya think that just isn’t possible …), and open to being caught in a specific lie.

    I haven’t commented on this coding bit, because, honestly, I don’t care! Any why would anyone else? “You want to discredit a President over what?

    What the birthers have always lacked, is a compelling story. Instead of working on one, they keep going narrower, and getting more specific. Which has been a great mistake. By focusing so narrow, on a point so finite, they’ve commited to a concrete factoid. The dumbest mistake a liar can make.

    By sticking to general claims (“Obama wasn’t born here!”, “The BC is fake!”, etc), they can tap and evade forever. The people that liked what they heard would keep eating it up. Their detractors wouldn’t be able to pin them down.

    Well, oops.

  83. avatar
    nbc July 22, 2012 at 1:15 am #

    Reality Check: The comments posted at Mark Gillar’s YouTube channel are a hoot. http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=yft0kz_fbnA

    ROTFL… Poor Gillar… He is getting all the respect his foolish video deserves. So who is blaming whom right now for showing the wrong document and now pretending that they have a 1961 document but seem to be unable to show it?

  84. avatar
    JPotter July 22, 2012 at 1:19 am #

    nbc: If Arpaio is really concerned he should try to find out why the Pravda is smearing our President with foolish accusations.

    Remember the “Obama financed Putin” meme? Obama financed Putin, Putin bankrolls Pravda, Pravda stokes birtherism to make the Reds look stupid!

    What are wingers doing writing for Pravda anyway? Are they allowed to wear their Bircher pins at the office?

  85. avatar
    US Citizen July 22, 2012 at 2:26 am #

    nbc: Reality Check: The comments posted at Mark Gillar’s YouTube channel are a hoot. http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=yft0kz_fbnA

    Madness.
    …tho not quite as mad as Orly is being right now.
    She’s pretty sure the CO shootings were a false flag by Obama.
    Yep… disgusting as it is: Obama killed those movie-goers.

  86. avatar
    Lupin July 22, 2012 at 2:55 am #

    “foreigner” (if he is really German; I still have doubts) is truly an embarrassment to all Germans I’ve ever known.

  87. avatar
    Whatever4 July 22, 2012 at 3:14 am #

    bgansel9: Because a certain segment of society is so clueless (birthers) that they take silence as a win.

    No idea how that happened. I meant to agree with this statement:

    Because a certain segment of society is so clueless (birthers) that they take silence as a win.

    “All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.” — Someone who isn’t Edmund Burke

  88. avatar
    nbc July 22, 2012 at 3:14 am #

    foreigner: I would agree. Start with a $1000 worth investigation and then decide
    whether it’s worth to expand to $10000 etc.

    Poor foreigner… Why the need for a congressional investigation when there is really nothing to investigate other than some foolish birthers caught with their pants down?

    Arpaio is is facing several legal issues right now.

    Does this not sound as if justice is served?

  89. avatar
    nbc July 22, 2012 at 3:14 am #

    foreigner: hmm, we could form another more balanced posse consisting of Dr.C,Woodman,Zullo,
    Corsi – discussing in public before they agree on common statements

    You’re such a troll…

  90. avatar
    Lupin July 22, 2012 at 3:14 am #

    I just read an article by a retired university professor from Toulouse, who was analyzing the phenomenon of people who come to Bugarach (a local mountain) thinking they will be saved from the Mayan Apocalypse in December.

    Interestingly the author pointed out several instances in history (going back to Ancient Greece, the War of Religions up to Hitler’s rise to power) where deep economic crises where matched with a concomitant rise in irrational beliefs (seers, mediums, astrology, etc) then followed by a tyrannical government; to the extent that you could use such increase as a predictor for the emergence of such governments.

    Obviously we (in Europe) are concerned about such evolution in Greece and Spain, two countries which were still living under dictatorships in the 1960s (I used to go there on vacation). But I couldn’t help connect these dots to the present situation in the US where there’s been a clear increase in irrational thought for the last decade or so; and can only pray that all this won’t result in the emergence of an “American Putin” after Obama’s second term.

  91. avatar
    nbc July 22, 2012 at 3:19 am #

    Reality Check: Sure John. Just get your bud Jerome to send me an email asking me to publish them. He has my email address. He has my permission to publish them himself. He better not fake or edit them though because I have the real deal. Corsi, Zullo, and Gillar are retreating at the speed of light as I type.

    Will Corsi ever allow the emails to be published? Such an embarrassment and well, it totally destroys the CCP’s arguments. Again and again.
    Expect total shutdown and hunkering down in the hope that the developing scandal does not entangle them.

  92. avatar
    Dave B. July 22, 2012 at 3:23 am #

    foreigner: I would agree. Start with a $1000 worth investigation and then decide
    whether it’s worth to expand to $10000 etc.

    You’ve never tried this kind of thing in real life, I see.

  93. avatar
    bob j July 22, 2012 at 3:51 am #

    foreigner:
    hmm, we could form another more balanced posse consisting of Dr.C,Woodman,Zullo,
    Corsi – discussing in public before they agree on common statements

    if that is a joke, it is mildly amusing. if that is not a joke, it is hilarious.

  94. avatar
    nbc July 22, 2012 at 3:54 am #

    bob j: if that is a joke, it is mildly amusing. if that is not a joke, it is hilarious.

    yeah.

  95. avatar
    Keith July 22, 2012 at 7:14 am #

    GLaB: But this was particularly careless. Their mounting desperation is showing through

    Agreed.

    I strongly suspect Arpaio went to Zullo and said “Hey you guys, I have had your back for months. I gotta a Federal case starting up on my ass in a couple of weeks, and a I need a press conference with something big, something killer, something really, really devastating so I can distract the public attention for a few days.”

    Zullo then went to Corsi and said “Right, whachu got?”
    Corsi: “I got nothing”.
    Zullo” “What do you mean nothing”?
    Corsi: “I mean nothing”.
    Zullo: “And by nothing you mean”?
    Corsi: “Nothing means nothing”.
    Zullo: “Yeah but thats what you always had.”
    Corsi: “True, but this time, I got nothing”.
    Zullo: “Crap. What are you gonna tell Arpaio”?
    Corsi: “Me? I ain’t gonna tell him nothing, you’re his handler”.
    Zullo: “Crap. OK look how about this ‘African’ thing”.
    Corsi: “Pardon”?
    Zullo: “Well, why wasn’t Obama’s father listed as ‘Ni**er’ or ‘C**n’ or at least ‘Negro’ or something.”.
    Corsi: “Yeah, OK, we haven’t said anything about that yet have we”?
    Zullo: “Even if we have, we got to come up with a new angle”.
    Corsi: “Wait a minute! I remember some obscure scholarly research about the data entry codes on a blog a while back. The author is brilliant. Lemme just go look it up!”

    The rest is history.

  96. avatar
    Keith July 22, 2012 at 7:21 am #

    Jason: How does one prove geo-locale at time of conception? Is there an app for it? “Facebook and The Immaculate Application would like to use the current location of your coitus.”

    Remember that Arizona law apparently defines pregnancy as beginning TWO WEEKS before coitus.

    So do we need to know where we were two weeks before Coitus too?

  97. avatar
    Scientist July 22, 2012 at 7:47 am #

    Keith: That was a very realistic conversation. You nailed most of the Jersey Shore inflection. Only one thing, it’s “Nuttin”, not “Nothing”.

  98. avatar
    Keith July 22, 2012 at 8:47 am #

    Scientist:
    Keith:That was a very realistic conversation.You nailed most of the Jersey Shore inflection.Only one thing, it’s “Nuttin”, not “Nothing”.

    Well I wasn’t actually thinking of that or I might have used it.

    But there was a “Stargate: Atlantis” rerun on the TV while I was typing it.

  99. avatar
    misha July 22, 2012 at 9:40 am #

    foreigner: we could form another more balanced posse consisting of Dr.C, Woodman, Zullo, Corsi – discussing in public before they agree on common statements

    I have a better idea: Joseph Goebbels and Berlin’s chief rabbi having the same kind of discussion in a beer garden.

    Hilarity ensues.

    The Producers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Producers_%281968_film%29

  100. avatar
    Jamese777 July 22, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

    JPotter: Remember the “Obama financed Putin” meme? Obama financed Putin, Putin bankrolls Pravda, Pravda stokes birtherism to make the Reds look stupid!

    What are wingers doing writing for Pravda anyway? Are they allowed to wear their Bircher pins at the office?

    There is an ideological ocean between hard copy Pravda and online Pravda.
    From Wikipedia:
    On August 22, 1991, a decree by Russian President Boris Yeltsin shut down the Communist Party and seized all of its property, including Pravda. Its team of journalists fought for their newspaper and freedom of speech. They registered a new paper with the same title just weeks after.
    A few months later, then-editor Gennady Seleznyov (now a member of the Duma) sold Pravda to a family of Greek entrepreneurs, the Yannikoses. The next editor-in-chief, Aleksandr Ilyin, handed Pravda’s trademark — the Order of Lenin medals — and the new registration certificate over to the new owners.
    By that time, a serious split occurred in the editorial office. Over 90% of the journalists who had been working for Pravda until 1991 quit their jobs. They established their own version of the newspaper, which was later shut down under government pressure. These same journalists, led by former Pravda editors Vadim Gorshenin and Viktor Linnik in January 1999, launched Pravda Online, the first web-based newspaper in the Russian language; English, Italian and Portuguese versions are also available.
    In 1996, two Greek investors launched Pravda Pyat, a weekly tabloid aimed at younger readers. The new Pravda newspaper and Pravda Online are not related in any way. The paper Pravda tends to analyze events from a leftist point of view, while the web-based tabloid-style newspaper often takes a nationalist and sensationalist approach.
    In 1997, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation recovered the newspaper, and it became an organ of the CPRF. This was verified by the special resolution of the 4th Congress of the CPRF.

  101. avatar
    John Woodman July 22, 2012 at 12:24 pm #

    Joe Acerbic: That right there is one of the main reasons this nation is such a mess right now: these days, so called “conservatives” disregard facts; all that matters to them is how they FEEL about things.

    Some of them do, and I apologize for those who do.

    I would say the vast majority of us, however — at least those of us who are tuned in enough not to be deceived by the steady drumbeat of lie after lie after lie from the birthers — want nothing to do with these wingnuts.

    I have a friend here who is well known for his past conservative activism and who has been involved in a lot of political campaigns and leadership in conservative circles in the area. I talked to him on the phone a couple of weeks ago. It had been a long time, as he’s largely retired from the scene, now spends quite a bit of time at the lake, etc. And I’ve been busy with my own stuff and out of the campaign loop, and just hadn’t had any occasion to talk to him for a while.

    So I told him, “Over the past year I’ve had quite a few conservatives hacked off at me, because I wrote a book debunking all these false claims made that Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery, and I’ve written the equivalent of a longer book analyzing and debunking the claim that being a natural born citizen requires citizen parents.”

    He thanked me profusely.

  102. avatar
    richCares July 22, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    “He thanked me profusely”
    so do all of us here on Doc’s site

  103. avatar
    misha July 22, 2012 at 3:02 pm #

    John Woodman: Some of them do, and I apologize for those who do.

    I would say the vast majority of us, however — at least those of us who are tuned in enough not to be deceived by the steady drumbeat of lie after lie after lie from the birthers — want nothing to do with these wingnuts.

    Buckley once said he spent a lifetime getting rid of the kooks. Buckley has died, the kooks are back, and are here to stay.

    The only ones who approach Buckley’s stature, are Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski.

    I will now get off my Union Square soapbox.

  104. avatar
    misha July 22, 2012 at 3:04 pm #

    richCares: “He thanked me profusely”
    so do all of us here on Doc’s site

    Me too, and three. [bada-bing]

  105. avatar
    Thomas Brown July 22, 2012 at 5:11 pm #

    Joe Acerbic: That right there is one of the main reasons this nation is such a mess right now: these days, so called “conservatives” disregard facts; all that matters to them is how they FEEL about things.

    I’m logging on to second John Woodman’s statements. As I have my toes in quite a number of separate streams– the local construction business world, academia, the motorcycling world, various historical circles, family, the colonial coin and exonumia world, to name a few– I observe that virtually all of the conservatives I actually meet are of the anti-kook variety. They appear positively dyspeptic whenever Birthers are mentioned.

    I think the explanation is one that applies to both sides of the political aisle, to religion, and many other human endeavors: the kookier, the louder. The quiet sane Liberals and Conservatives, religious folk etc. tend to not be obnoxious about their ideas, and also don’t make very good press, so you don’t notice them so much.

    Pity, that.

  106. avatar
    misha July 22, 2012 at 5:45 pm #

    Thomas Brown: exonumia world

    I never thought of collecting subway tokens. [bada-bing]

  107. avatar
    JOHN WAYNE July 23, 2012 at 3:30 pm #

    NBC IS THE NATIONAL BABOON COMMISSION, A PAID OBUMMER BLOGGER. Obummer will loose. My neighbor voted for Obummer, thought he was GOD. Now,, he cries every night, he lost his job because of Obummer, the Commie. Obummer, who needs FULL TIME nbc PROFESSIONAL BLOGGERS. These professional bloggers are scum of the Earth… DON’T TREAD ON ME !!!!!!
    Paul Revere, OBUMMER IS COMING, OBUMMER IS COMING!!!!!!

    Results of the poll conducted by Komarovski show:89.6% believe that Obama was not born in the US and not eligible, 10.4% believe that he was born in the US and eligible

    READ PRAVDA FOR THE TRUTH. The commie newspaper rips OBUMMER FOR HIS FORGED BIRTH CERTIFICATE, FORGED 1890 SSN NUMBER, AND HIS FORGED DRAFT REGISTRATION !!!!

    LOL LOL LOL LOL

    A commie newspaper actually telling the truth, OBUMMER IS A USURPER !!!!!!

    DON’T TREAD ON ME ~~~~!!!!!!!!!!

  108. avatar
    nbc July 23, 2012 at 3:33 pm #

    “John Wayne” is so funny. His ignorance and fears drives him to accept foolish arguments, allowing such “commie newspapers” as the Pravda to manipulate him into making foolish and uninformed comments.

    Poor soul, calling others traitors even though he appears to object to people who are muslims or commies. Does he understand our Constitution?

  109. avatar
    JOHN WAYNE July 23, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

    O
    PRAVDA THE COMMUNITS NEWSPAPER RIPS OBUMMER

    n March 7th, 2012, Pravda called out the U.S. press for its deliberate neglect of the largest scandal in modern American history. Maricopa County, Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio released credible forensic evidence that Barack Obama, presumed President of the United States, presented to the world a forged Birth Certificate on April 27th, 2011.
    Since then, the scandal has only expanded. Former United States Postal Service worker Allen Hulton has recently come forward with compelling testimony given under Oath, which leads to only one conclusion: Barack Obama attended College in the United States as a Foreign Student.

  110. avatar
    G July 23, 2012 at 3:41 pm #

    Just further proof that hate causes brain damage…

    There he is, railing against “commies” on one hand and praising Pravda on the other…

    Sounds like he himself is the actual “commie” that he fears…

    nbc:
    “John Wayne” is so funny. His ignorance and fears drives him to accept foolish arguments, allowing such “commie newspapers” as the Pravda to manipulate him into making foolish and uninformed comments.

    Poor soul, calling others traitors even though he appears to object to people who are muslims or commies. Does he understand our Constitution?

  111. avatar
    JPotter July 23, 2012 at 3:52 pm #

    G: There he is, railing against “commies” on one hand and praising Pravda on the other…

    Birfers jump under the sheets with anyone who whispers them the right sweet nothings.

    The real commies would have used tehm for dental floss.

    Remember when it took serious preparation, manipulation, and large amounts of cash to flip someone? These simpletons would sell their mom for a crackerjack prize, so long as it’s the prize they were programmed to expect.

    John Wayne this is not!

  112. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 23, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

    JOHN WAYNE: PRAVDA THE COMMUNITS NEWSPAPER RIPS OBUMMER

    I know you’re a big movie star and all that but the Doctor is not going to be pleased when he finds this same message spammed into multiple threads on his site.

    But….just for the record…..the article you reference was not in Pravda the newspaper but on Pravda the website. They have nothing to do with each other. Also it isn’t a news story but it’s an opinion piece written by…..an American who claims to have a 4.0 gpa from an on-line military university.

    Check it out for yourself:

    http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/07-03-2012/120708-arizona_sheriff_obama-0/

    Out of curiosity….where did you pick up this story?

  113. avatar
    richCares July 23, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

    I know you’re a dead big movie star and all

  114. avatar
    JPotter July 23, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

    richCares: I know you’re a dead big movie star and all

    Please be sensible: expecting zombie John Wayne to be the equal of living John Wayne is unfair to both zombies and the memory of John Wayne.

    Zombies eat brains for a reason. ;)

    (Please note: this comment is intended to be John Wayne neutral!)

  115. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 23, 2012 at 11:05 pm #

    richCares: I know you’re a dead big movie star and all

    John Wayne will never die!!!!

  116. avatar
    richCares July 23, 2012 at 11:45 pm #

    John Wayne in “Man who shot Liberty Valance”, the scene in the classroom where the black guy couldn’t remember “All Men Are Created Equal”