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Solution to the 1890 date of birth!

imageI could have kicked myself because the solution to identity of the mystery man born in 1890 whose social-security number Obama is using was not only right in front of me, it was already here ON THE BLOG! Obama was using his father’s number, and I don’t mean Barack Obama, Sr., I mean Obama’s REAL father, who I just found out was BORN IN 1890, a man who lied about his date of birth, and spent some time in CUBA! And yes, he was a FREEMASON!

Check out my original article!

Now all I have to do is to figure out how Colonel Sanders got a Connecticut social-security number. Just a detail.

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104 Responses to Solution to the 1890 date of birth!

  1. avatar
    alg July 7, 2012 at 9:42 am  (Quote) #

    Truly outstanding sleuthing Doc! It now all makes sense to me!

  2. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 7, 2012 at 10:25 am  (Quote) #

    BTW, I’m headed off on vacation again. Let’s see if is sticks this time.

  3. avatar
    G July 7, 2012 at 12:47 pm  (Quote) #

    Wishing you better luck this time!

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    BTW, I’m headed off on vacation again. Let’s see if is sticks this time.

  4. avatar
    donna July 7, 2012 at 2:41 pm  (Quote) #

    have a wonderful, safe trip, doc

    i hope you’re not leaving us home alone without adult supervision 😆

  5. avatar
    Dave B. July 7, 2012 at 4:50 pm  (Quote) #

    Happy trails.

  6. avatar
    GLaB July 7, 2012 at 6:35 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy: BTW, I’m headed off on vacation again. Let’s see if is sticks this time.

    Heavy rains and flash-flood warnings all over the eastern half of the state. Blessed relief here, but … well, bring your umbrella.

  7. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 7, 2012 at 8:30 pm  (Quote) #

    No. I have arrived, and there is Internet.

    donna: i hope you’re not leaving us home alone without adult supervision

  8. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 7, 2012 at 8:45 pm  (Quote) #

    Errr, I’m here, not there.

    GLaB: Heavy rains and flash-flood warnings all over the eastern half of the state. Blessed relief here, but … well, bring your umbrella.

  9. avatar
    JPotter July 7, 2012 at 11:09 pm  (Quote) #

    It rained so much today, it even rained here. That’s our ” for the month!

  10. avatar
    Sam Sewell July 8, 2012 at 3:14 pm  (Quote) #
  11. avatar
    G July 8, 2012 at 3:27 pm  (Quote) #

    *rolls eyes*

    Sam, we already know that every day is “Opposite Day” in your little world. It is simply your feeble coping mechanism for dealing with endless losses and not being able to get the farting unicorn that you were never entitled to in the first place…

    So yeah, keep “Winning” like you have been all you want. It keeps the idiots busy chasing mirages and clapping their hands for fairies and therefore easy to spot and ignore.

    Sam Sewell:
    Birthers are Winning!
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/07/birthers-declare-victory.html

  12. avatar
    bovril July 8, 2012 at 3:30 pm  (Quote) #

    Would that be like Charlie Sheen’s “winning”…?

  13. avatar
    Dave B. July 8, 2012 at 3:44 pm  (Quote) #
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    G July 8, 2012 at 4:13 pm  (Quote) #

    Both apt and entertaining! Kudos…

    Dave B.:
    Video of Sam in action:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOUhGcsHqDM

  15. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 8, 2012 at 8:30 pm  (Quote) #

    Whatever you have to do to get up in the morning. Personally, I am not overly anxious and sober realism suits me better.

    Sam Sewell: Birthers are Winning!
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/07/birthers-declare-victory.html

  16. avatar
    Joe Acerbic July 8, 2012 at 9:34 pm  (Quote) #

    Sam Sewell:
    Birthers are Winning!
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/07/birthers-declare-victory.html

    Is the real Sam Sewell really THAT obliviously stupid or was that a parody? With birfoons it’s increasingly difficult to know…

  17. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 8, 2012 at 10:02 pm  (Quote) #

    Well, storm came through. Power is off. Fate?

    NOW let Ms. Conspiracy complain over all my flashlights.

    Blogged via iPhone.

  18. avatar
    JPotter July 8, 2012 at 10:42 pm  (Quote) #

    Never forget the Steady Drip disclaimer:

    GUIDE FOR NEWBIES!

    This blog was started to give people a source of information they can trust. I almost never make the mistake of including scams, false rumors, or poorly researched items. I encourage readers to alert me if they spot an anomaly. It will be quickly corrected.

    If you have to put that on the site , ummm …

  19. avatar
    Rickey July 8, 2012 at 10:52 pm  (Quote) #

    Sam Sewell:
    Birthers are Winning!

    Any blogger who posts anything from the vile racist Lame Cherry is a pathetic loser.

  20. avatar
    Dave B. July 8, 2012 at 11:08 pm  (Quote) #

    JPotter:
    Never forget the Steady Drip disclaimer:

    If you have to put that on the site , ummm …

    I guess all the “scams, false rumors, or poorly researched items” included there are not there by mistake, but entirely on purpose. If he posted anything over there that wasn’t “scams, false rumors, or poorly researched items” that would be an anomaly.

  21. avatar
    G July 8, 2012 at 11:26 pm  (Quote) #

    OMG… wow… talk about bad vacation luck…! You just can’t seem to avoid ending up in a power out or storm lately…

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Well, storm came through. Power is off. Fate?

    NOW let Ms. Conspiracy complain over all my flashlights.

    Blogged via iPhone.

  22. avatar
    bovril July 9, 2012 at 6:12 am  (Quote) #

    Queue Birfoons saying it’s DoG’s punishment for supporting the Userperator…… 😎

  23. avatar
    Thrifty July 9, 2012 at 7:41 am  (Quote) #

    I watched video in that link. Clarence Thomas says “we are evading that one (the question of whether one has to be born in the United States to be president)”. But he is CLEARLY doing it as a joke. Jose Serrano and him immediately begin laughing after that statement.

    This is a joke so obvious that a 4-year old would pick up on that social cue. Leave it to a Birther to misread a statement punctuated by laughter as serious.

    Sam Sewell:
    Birthers are Winning!
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/07/birthers-declare-victory.html

  24. avatar
    JPotter July 9, 2012 at 8:40 am  (Quote) #

    Thrifty: This is a joke so obvious that a 4-year old would pick up on that social cue. Leave it to a Birther to misread a statement punctuated by laughter as serious.

    They’ve been flogging that clip for more than 2 years now. The birthers’ love for that which obviously spoofs them (a long list of items getting longer) makes me think they’re just being provocative and pulling our collective leg. But they manage to be so good at being so dumb … I keep reminding myself to take their word for it.

  25. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 9, 2012 at 9:15 am  (Quote) #

    I just called George Soros and the power was back on in a few hours.

    bovril: Queue Birfoons saying it’s DoG’s punishment for supporting the Userperator

  26. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 9, 2012 at 9:22 am  (Quote) #

    Compare Sewell’s disclaimer with mine:

    Misinformation and Disinformation about Barack Obama, his family and his administration are the subject of this web site, and such allegations are permitted.

    I believe that I present material fairly, and don’t try to deceive anyone unless it’s satire.

    JPotter: [The Steady Drip] blog was started to give people a source of information they can trust. I almost never make the mistake of including scams, false rumors, or poorly researched items. I encourage readers to alert me if they spot an anomaly. It will be quickly corrected.

    I certainly wouldn’t trust anything to be fairly or accurately represented on that web site.

  27. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny July 9, 2012 at 10:04 am  (Quote) #

    Thrifty:
    I watched video in that link.Clarence Thomas says “we are evading that one (the question of whether one has to be born in the United States to be president)”.But he is CLEARLY doing it as a joke.Jose Serrano and him immediately begin laughing after that statement.

    This is a joke so obvious that a 4-year old would pick up on that social cue.Leave it to a Birther to misread a statement punctuated by laughter as serious.

    I seem to remember this NOT as a reference to Barack Obama, but to a US politician who was born in Puerto Rico and wanted to know whether he could run for President (perhaps José Serrano himself is meant). Does Puerto Rico birth count as “born in the United States” – is there a cutoff date, because the statutes on citizens born in Puerto Rico have changed in recent years?

  28. avatar
    Keith July 9, 2012 at 10:10 am  (Quote) #

    Paul Pieniezny: I seem to remember this NOT as a reference to Barack Obama, but to a US politician who was born in Puerto Rico and wanted to know whether he could run for President (perhaps José Serrano himself is meant).

    Yes, that is what I remember, also.

    Does Puerto Rico birth count as “born in the United States” – is there a cutoff date, because the statutes on citizens born in Puerto Rico have changed in recent years?

    Also correct. The reference was not to “evading that one (the question of whether one has to be born in the United States to be president)”, the reference was about evading the question of whether or not Puerto Ricans are NBC.

  29. avatar
    Whatever4 July 9, 2012 at 11:00 am  (Quote) #

    Paul Pieniezny: I seem to remember this NOT as a reference to Barack Obama, but to a US politician who was born in Puerto Rico and wanted to know whether he could run for President (perhaps José Serrano himself is meant). Does Puerto Rico birth count as “born in the United States” – is there a cutoff date, because the statutes on citizens born in Puerto Rico have changed in recent years?

    It’s a LONG-running joke between Rep. Serrano and Justice Thomas — 12 years long. Rep. Serrano has opened his remarks for the past few years with the joke.
    Examples:
    April 2009 http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/285453-1 about 1:20
    March 2008 http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/204419-1 , at about 2:30.
    March 2007 http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/197007-1 , at about 2:20 – 3:05

  30. avatar
    misha July 9, 2012 at 11:36 am  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I just called George Soros and the power was back on in a few hours.

    I put in a good word for you.

  31. avatar
    BillTheCat July 9, 2012 at 1:56 pm  (Quote) #

    Sam Sewell: Birthers are Winning!http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/07/birthers-declare-victory.html

    Yawn yeh we saw it after the first few times you posted it all over. It’s almost like you have to keep teling posting this link as if to keep telling yourself this over and over, like you need to convince yourself that what you say is tru– oh, sorry. It’s not nice to be mean to delusional people.

  32. avatar
    Sam Sewell July 9, 2012 at 2:19 pm  (Quote) #

    I post three words and a link. That keeps several of you busy for some time. See how well this works. And it still works after I told you it was stupid. Why didn’t you ignore it?

    You didn’t ignore it because the birthers are winning.

    Now, if you don’t ignore this . . .

  33. avatar
    Dave B. July 9, 2012 at 2:28 pm  (Quote) #

    Sam, here on Earth, your delusions are viewed a bit differently.

  34. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 9, 2012 at 2:39 pm  (Quote) #

    Sam, this is a web site for people who choose not to ignore birthers. If you want to be ignored, this is the wrong place to show yourself.

    On this web site, you are a zoo exhibit. The visitors here have a bad tendency to tease the exhibits.

    Sam Sewell: Now, if you don’t ignore this . . .

  35. avatar
    G July 9, 2012 at 2:45 pm  (Quote) #

    Agreed. You summed it up well.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Sam, this is a web site for people who choose not to ignore birthers. If you want to be ignored, this is the wrong place to show yourself.

    On this web site, you are a zoo exhibit. The visitors here have a bad tendency to tease the exhibits.

  36. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 9, 2012 at 2:48 pm  (Quote) #

    Do you think the people on the highway slow down to look at the bad accident in the other lane because they think the accident victims are winning?

    Sam Sewell: You didn’t ignore it because the birthers are winning.

  37. avatar
    donna July 9, 2012 at 2:51 pm  (Quote) #

    “Sam Sewell: You didn’t ignore it because the birthers are winning. ”

    there’s a difference between laughing WITH people and laughing AT them

    the laughter (AT them) has increased my life expectancy

  38. avatar
    Bob July 9, 2012 at 3:09 pm  (Quote) #

    Read the Birther comments on WND today and you would know that the Birthers are not winning. The coherent Birthers (people who can, at the very least, express their thoughts) have been peeled off. What’s left are mostly LameCherry-types — incoherent rants about secret, Jewish global cabals controlling everyone but them and 911 conspiracies involving everyone but them and the microchips that the government has implanted in everyone but them.

  39. avatar
    Andrew Vrba (PmG) July 9, 2012 at 3:19 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Sam, this is a web site for people who choose not to ignore birthers. If you want to be ignored, this is the wrong place to show yourself.

    On this web site, you are a zoo exhibit. The visitors here have a bad tendency to tease the exhibits.

    It’s true! I have an electrified prod, fer pokin’ with!

  40. avatar
    misha July 9, 2012 at 3:31 pm  (Quote) #

    Bob: incoherent rants about secret, Jewish global cabals

    That’s been my point all along. WTF is Orly, Klayman, Geller and the rest doing with that crowd?

    As I said about the Settlers and current politicians in Israel: When Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and the English Defence League are your only friends, something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

    Dr C: sorry for the OT, but I felt it was apropos.

  41. avatar
    JPotter July 9, 2012 at 3:37 pm  (Quote) #

    Sam Sewell: That keeps several of you busy for some time.

    It takes a Mensa mensch to come up with childish games?

    > Now ignore this …. now ignore this … your ignroance is my victory … this has been a self-fulfilling prophecy …. that is all. <

    You go to the doctor and advise him to ignore you? That's what coming here and doing the same is like.

    Just how long does it take you to type a comment? This is distraction, not keeping anyone busy!

  42. avatar
    TheEuropean July 9, 2012 at 3:39 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Sam, this is a web site for people who choose not to ignore birthers. If you want to be ignored, this is the wrong place to show yourself.

    On this web site, you are a zoo exhibit. The visitors here have a bad tendency to tease the exhibits.

    Am I allowed to use a sharp stick ?

  43. avatar
    TheEuropean July 9, 2012 at 3:43 pm  (Quote) #

    misha: That’s been my point all along. WTF is Orly, Klayman, Geller and the rest doing with that crowd?

    As I said about the Settlers and current politicians in Israel: When Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and the English Defence League are your only friends, something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

    Dr C: sorry for the OT, but I felt it was apropos.

    The Danes are the happiest people in the world ! Not so much rotten there ! So please look for other rotten places.

  44. avatar
    G July 9, 2012 at 4:06 pm  (Quote) #

    Agreed…

    Deranged hatred seems to only attract deranged hatred…and repel or expel everything else…

    misha: That’s been my point all along. WTF is Orly, Klayman, Geller and the rest doing with that crowd?

    As I said about the Settlers and current politicians in Israel: When Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and the English Defence League are your only friends, something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

    Dr C: sorry for the OT, but I felt it was apropos.

  45. avatar
    misha July 9, 2012 at 4:15 pm  (Quote) #

    TheEuropean: The Danes are the happiest people in the world ! Not so much rotten there ! So please look for other rotten places.

    I thought my allusion to Shakespeare and Hamlet would demonstrate my erudition, and not cast aspersions on Danes.

    Get a DVD of Monty Python’s best. Start here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

    And lighten up.

  46. avatar
    Jim July 9, 2012 at 4:40 pm  (Quote) #

    TheEuropean: Am I allowed to use a sharp stick ?

    More fun to use a biting wit.

  47. avatar
    Benji Franklin July 9, 2012 at 5:25 pm  (Quote) #

    Sam Sewell: Birthers are Winning!

    You mispelled “whining”. What a loser!
    Or is it that when it comes to seeing clearly, you just don’t Seewell?

  48. avatar
    ScottRS July 9, 2012 at 5:32 pm  (Quote) #

    On this web site, you are a zoo exhibit. The visitors here have a bad tendency to tease the exhibits.

    I’d say more like a chew toy.

  49. avatar
    Andrew Vrba (PmG) July 9, 2012 at 5:37 pm  (Quote) #

    What has be in stitches is how the birthers are treating this article from The Globe as solid fact. At last, I now understand the purpose of those sorts of publications, to give sane people someone to laugh at.

  50. avatar
    Northland10 July 9, 2012 at 6:23 pm  (Quote) #

    At various camp staff and other scouting events, to pass the time at some late night induction ceremonies, somebody would bring a tabloid to provide entertainment. A dramatic reading from the Weekly World News is always a good time.

    Andrew Vrba (PmG):
    What has be in stitches is how the birthers are treating this article from The Globe as solid fact. At last, I now understand the purpose of those sorts of publications, to give sane people someone to laugh at.

  51. avatar
    misha July 9, 2012 at 6:45 pm  (Quote) #

    Andrew Vrba (PmG): What has be in stitches is how the birthers are treating this article from The Globe as solid fact. At last, I now understand the purpose of those sorts of publications

    I lined Max’s litter box with pages from supermarket tabloids. He walked up to me and said, “I can’t used my litter box. It’s full.”

    Andrew Vrba (PmG): to give sane people someone to laugh at.

    Bat boy lives!!

  52. avatar
    misha July 9, 2012 at 6:53 pm  (Quote) #

    TheEuropean: The Danes are the happiest people in the world !

    Of course. They get to listen to everything with Bang & Olufsen equipment. I get the next best: Jamo loudspeakers. I have four of these for surround sound:

    http://www.jamo.com/speaker-lines/aesthetic/A500/

  53. avatar
    Keith July 9, 2012 at 8:13 pm  (Quote) #

    misha: Of course. They get to listen to everything with Bang & Olufsen equipment. I get the next best: Jamo loudspeakers. I have four of these for surround sound:

    http://www.jamo.com/speaker-lines/aesthetic/A500/

    I personally hand built my own Scan-Speak set about 20 years ago. I had them serviced last year, and the technician harumphed at the boss that he didn’t think they were worth it – just an ordinary looking set of over-sized 20 year old speaker boxes.

    Then he opened it up and checked to work on them – and listened to them – and offered to buy them from me.

    I once had a guy braying excitedly that he was gonna get the entire Led Zeppelin catalog off iTunes for a dollar a song or something. I suggested that he would be better off going down to the opp-shop or used record store and buying the CDs and ripping them to digital so he could listen to his iPod when he wasn’t at home and he could listen to high fidelity when he was. He said that the iPod was high fidelity and I probably just needed better speakers.

  54. avatar
    aarrgghh July 10, 2012 at 12:36 am  (Quote) #

    Q: how can you tell when birfers are winning or losing?

    A: barack obama is president.

  55. avatar
    bgansel9 July 10, 2012 at 1:19 am  (Quote) #

    Sam Sewell:
    You didn’t ignore it because the birthers are winning.

    No, actually, the day we stop addressing it is the day the birthers will be winning. That day will never come though, as we shall never surrender.

  56. avatar
    bgansel9 July 10, 2012 at 1:22 am  (Quote) #

    OT, but, I don’t see that anyone addressed this:

    Apparently Obama is now supposed to have worked for the CIA in Pakistan? ROTFL… every time they come up with absolute insanity, I think they can’t top it and yet they always do.

    http://www.politicususa.com/conservatives-desperately-spreading-lie-obama-columbia.html

  57. avatar
    G July 10, 2012 at 1:31 am  (Quote) #

    Once again, this is nothing more than another long-debunked dead horse that they are pulling out of the mothballs for the umpteenth time…

    The reason you and others mistake it as “new” is that it is so weak that it barely made a blip and quickly failed and faded *EVERY* time they’ve re-trotted it out… which really has been too many times to count over Obama’s term. They’ve been failing with this particular chestnut since at least early 2009…

    Which just goes to show that the Birthers are insane and are an endlessly empty tank of regurgitated reruns. All they can do is continue to bang their hollow heads against the very same brick walls over and over again…and still not get a clue that it doesn’t work…

    bgansel9:
    OT, but, I don’t see that anyone addressed this:

    Apparently Obama is now supposed to have worked for the CIA in Pakistan? ROTFL… every time they come up with absolute insanity, I think they can’t top it and yet they always do.

    http://www.politicususa.com/conservatives-desperately-spreading-lie-obama-columbia.html

  58. avatar
    G July 10, 2012 at 1:31 am  (Quote) #

    Well said.

    bgansel9: No, actually, the day we stop addressing it is the day the birthers will be winning. That day will never come though, as we shall never surrender.

  59. avatar
    bgansel9 July 10, 2012 at 1:38 am  (Quote) #

    G: The reason you and others mistake it as “new” is that it is so weak that it barely made a blip and quickly failed and faded *EVERY* time they’ve re-trotted it out… which really has been too many times to count over Obama’s term. They’ve been failing with this particular chestnut since at least early 2009…

    It’s one I’ve never heard of before, I’ll admit. I can’t keep all that crazy straight in my head though. It’s so convoluted and when you pile each theory on top of the other, Obama would need 100 lifetimes to fulfill them all.

  60. avatar
    bgansel9 July 10, 2012 at 1:39 am  (Quote) #

    G:
    Well said.

    Thanks, I was practicing my Winston Churchill impression. I guess I did okay. 😛

  61. avatar
    gorefan July 10, 2012 at 2:08 am  (Quote) #

    bgansel9: I was practicing my Winston Churchill impression

    Silly me, I thought it was your Jason Nesmith impression.

    “As long as there is injustice, whenever a Targathian baby cries out, wherever a distress signal sounds among the stars, we’ll be there. This fine ship, this fine crew. Never give up… and never surrender.”

  62. avatar
    US Citizen July 10, 2012 at 2:13 am  (Quote) #

    Please have a little compassion for Sam.
    In the Special Olympics, everyone’s a winner.

  63. avatar
    G July 10, 2012 at 2:15 am  (Quote) #

    That goofy pastor Manning even conducted his own personal sham trial that a bunch of Birthers attended over it… that was several years ago and was one of the Birther’s “big publicity events” of that year. … Back then, there were lots of different Birther groups trying to run their own fantasy “grand juries”…where the only qualification to be on the jury was to start off insisting he was “guilty” of something…

    …Those were obviously fantasty flops and didn’t make any impact or get much attention anywhere outside of the Birther asylums. Those seem to have eventually faded away over the past two years, but now we hear that kook WND laywer, Klayman making a play to pull this very same “Birther grand jury” scam as a response to the SC ruling on the ACA (Obamacare).

    So Birtherism is nothing but an endless recycling of debunked lies and EPIC FAIL themes. Rinse and repeat. The foolish Birther propagandists somehow think that if they just slink away from their failures and re-emerge with the same claims & stunts several months later, that nobody will remember or notice their past failures with these same tactics. …Or they simply believe they can brainwash people by just repeating the same lies over and over and over again…or both.

    That is why some of this sillyness doesn’t even get much of a mention or raise many eyebrows even here anymore. If you search this site, there are plenty of articles from past years which debunked and addressed various Birther attempts at that very same “Obama was in CIA/Russia instead of college” meme. It was beyond stupid and easily fell apart the first time they tried it; let alone every time since. It remains beyond stupid that they are desperately trotting it out again now…and it will remain just as stupid, when they likely make another desperate last gasp to pull it out yet again in another few months…

    I mean how many times would you bother with a Flat Earther screaming that the Sun fell off the edge of the earth, never to return… After a few rounds of constantly pointing out that the sun came up again in the East, you eventually just ignore his ravings, when he tries to come back every few months making the same insane proclamation…

    bgansel9: It’s one I’ve never heard of before, I’ll admit. I can’t keep all that crazy straight in my head though. It’s so convoluted and when you pile each theory on top of the other, Obama would need 100 lifetimes to fulfill them all.

  64. avatar
    Majority Will July 10, 2012 at 5:57 am  (Quote) #

    gorefan: Silly me, I thought it was your Jason Nesmith impression.

    “As long as there is injustice, whenever a Targathian baby cries out, wherever a distress signal sounds among the stars, we’ll be there. This fine ship, this fine crew. Never give up… and never surrender.”

    “See, that’s your problem, Jason. You were never serious about the craft.”
    – Sir Alexander Dane

  65. avatar
    misha July 10, 2012 at 7:18 am  (Quote) #

    G: how many times would you bother with a Flat Earther screaming that the Sun fell off the edge of the earth, never to return… After a few rounds of constantly pointing out that the sun came up again in the East

    Great. NOW you tell me.

  66. avatar
    Dave B. July 10, 2012 at 11:59 am  (Quote) #

    A bit of parody:
    We are winning this we know
    Pastor Sewell tells us so
    In the courtrooms things are tough
    In the media mighty rough
    But Obama, he will go
    Pastor Sewell tells me so
    If you doubt that this is true
    Mario Apuzzo, Esq. says so too!

    You can do that to the tune of “Jesus Loves Me”, or “Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star”, but I prefer “Rock of Ages” myself.

  67. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny July 10, 2012 at 12:31 pm  (Quote) #

    bgansel9: Thanks, I was practicing my Winston Churchill impression. I guess I did okay.

    But if we Obots fail, and the birfers win, then the whole United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new dark age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves, that if the USA and its civilization last for a thousand years, men will still say, “This was their finest hour.”

  68. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 10, 2012 at 12:59 pm  (Quote) #

    If the birthers win, the Chinese will become the next superpower fairly soon.

  69. avatar
    UnionJack July 10, 2012 at 12:59 pm  (Quote) #

    Puerto Rico birth — sorry I’m late to the discussion, but I’d like to respond to the question about being born in PR (and Rep. Serrano’s issue). If we assume, as most rational people do, that “natural born” citizen means a U.S. citizen “at birth” (and thus not requiring “naturalization” after birth), then being born in PR on or after Jan. 13, 1941 would make you a citizen of the U.S. “at birth” and thus a natural born citizen. 8 U.S.C. sec. 1402. (Also for most people born in PR after 1899) However, you would not be eligible to be President unless you had moved to the mainland and lived “within the United States” for 14 years. The so-called “Insular” cases found that the unincorporated territories and possessions of the U.S. were not to be considered “within the United States,” as that term is generally used . Downes v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 244 (1901); Balzac v. Porto Rico, 258 U.S. 298 (1922).

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    misha July 10, 2012 at 1:06 pm  (Quote) #

    UnionJack: However, you would not be eligible to be President unless you had moved to the mainland and lived “within the United States” for 14 years.

    Hoover’s and Eisenhower’s 14 years were cumulative, not consecutive. It is not specified which.

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    UnionJack July 10, 2012 at 1:10 pm  (Quote) #

    misha: Hoover’s and Eisenhower’s 14 years were cumulative, not consecutive. It is not specified which.

    I agree that the most logical interpretation would be cumulative, and not consecutive, nor the “most recent” 14 years (which would be kind of ridiculous).

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    JPotter July 10, 2012 at 1:13 pm  (Quote) #

    Andrew Vrba (PmG): What has be in stitches is how the birthers are treating this article from The Globe as solid fact.

    No kidding! And they all believe Arpaio will be confirming its details on the 17th! Intentionally or not, someone at The Globe is brilliant!

    Which way will the backlash go, against The Globe for lying to de birfers, or against Arpaio for holding out? Will the birfers reject one tabloid only to double down on the other (WND)? Find out next week.

    I hope they open the floor to questions and someone brings a copy of The Globe!

  73. avatar
    Joe Acerbic July 10, 2012 at 1:21 pm  (Quote) #

    JPotter:

    Which way will the backlash go, against The Globe for lying to de birfers, or against Arpaio for holding out? Will the birfers reject one tabloid only to double down on the other (WND)?

    You may be underestimating the birfoons’ capacity for cognitive dissonance and denial.

  74. avatar
    JPotter July 10, 2012 at 1:21 pm  (Quote) #

    Paul Pieniezny: “This was their finest hour.”

    Excellent, Paul! I believe that was your finest comment. (That I can recall).

    I would spoof, “We shall fight on the beaches” … but there’s no actual fighting going on re: birtherism.

    Oh, wait, I have it ….

  75. avatar
    G July 10, 2012 at 1:32 pm  (Quote) #

    😉

    misha: Great. NOW you tell me.

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    G July 10, 2012 at 1:42 pm  (Quote) #

    That is likely to happen for the Chinese, before the end of this decade, regardless of what happens in the USA. They’ve been headed on that trajectory for quite some time now.

    Really, the biggest threat to China’s rise to global superpower status is China itself. They have a number of internal issues, which could eventually come to a head and cause them to stall or destabalize for awhile. It is difficult to maintain such a vast growth and change rate, over such a large population. They have a number of political/social and also major environmental issues that will present quite a challenge for them to manage, at the pace they are going.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    If the birthers win, the Chinese will become the next superpower fairly soon.

  77. avatar
    JPotter July 10, 2012 at 2:06 pm  (Quote) #

    JPotter: I would spoof, “We shall fight on the beaches” … but there’s no actual fighting going on re: birtherism.
    Oh, wait, I have it ….

    Even though large tracts of the interwebs and many entire States have no longer even a lingering fascination for the odious drippings of birfer drool, we shall not yawn or doze.

    We shall laugh on to the end!

    We shall laugh in France (Lupin!), we shall laugh on the seas and oceans (Obot cruise lines!), we shall laugh with endless enthusiasm and guffaw with gusto at their errs!

    We shall defend our reason, and give it away for free.

    We shall laugh at them on the blogs, we shall laugh at them on courthouse grounds; we shall laugh at them in net cafes and in their moms’ basements; we shall laugh at them in the halls.

    We shall never sober, never tire, and if, which I do not for a moment believe, this vigilance or a large part of it were to suddenly go on vacation and/or lose interest completely, then reasonable people everywhere, armed with common knowledge and guarded by the scientific method, would take note and renew the laughter, until, in God’s good time, the next generation, with all its promise and mirth, steps forth to the put this nonsense to bed and move on to brighter and better things!

    Like jetpacks and stuff.
    __________________

    Inspired by speech given by Winston Churchill to the British people (and of the world) at the House of Commons, June 4, 1940.

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    JPotter July 10, 2012 at 2:06 pm  (Quote) #

    Joe Acerbic: You may be underestimating the birfoons’ capacity for cognitive dissonance and denial.

    Well, dammit.

  79. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny July 10, 2012 at 2:22 pm  (Quote) #

    JPotter: We shall laugh at them on the blogs, we shall laugh at them on courthouse grounds; we shall laugh at them in net cafes and in their moms’ basements; we shall laugh at them in the halls.

    Never in the field of political conflict have so many been laughed at so much by so few.

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    JPotter July 10, 2012 at 2:47 pm  (Quote) #

    Never in the field of political conflict have so few been laughed at so much by so many.

    I promise that’s the truth on the ground. 😉

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    Dr. Conspiracy July 10, 2012 at 3:34 pm  (Quote) #

    One of the problems facing China’s rise to becoming a superpower is the success of its family-planning program. currently Chinese population doesn’t reach replacement fertility and as a result population the ages. Unlike the US, China does not absorb immigrants well. America’s decline as a postindustrial society is slowed by the vigor of its immigrants.

    American higher education is second to none in the world. The combination of our ability to assimilate immigrants and our wonderful higher education system is that very thing that makes America strong, and is threatened by the birthers, nativists, and anti-science factions.

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    G July 10, 2012 at 4:39 pm  (Quote) #

    I definitely agree. This is a huge factor…

    But China is certainly not the only country facing the dilemma of taking care of an aging population. Japan and other nations also face that shortage.

    Immigration has certainly been one of the most effective solutions to such work situations in the past. As important as immigration is for addressing that issue, it alone cannot resolve all the problems of population growth commbined with longer lifespans. So while have always disliked China’s “family-planning” policy, I can understand at some level, why they have a legitimate concern to reign in the various negative consequences and threats that can result from overpopulation.

    It is certainly not an easy long-term problem to solve and the right balance for long-term societal stability and managed population growth, coupled with workforce immigration is a very complex and difficult issue to figure out.

    That issue will only increase as a real concern, not only for China, but for much of the rest of the world, throughout the 21st Century. I fear that there are more ways to manage it poorly than there are to do it right…

    Dr. Conspiracy: One of the problems facing China’s rise to becoming a superpower is the success of its family-planning program. currently Chinese population doesn’t reach replacement fertility and as a result population the ages. Unlike the US, China does not absorb immigrants well. America’s decline as a postindustrial society is slowed by the vigor of its immigrants.

    I would like this to remain true and am a strong proponent of both increased educational stadards/opportunities for all ages as well as continuing to incentivize the best and brightest minds from around the world to become Americans, or at least make their contributions to mankind here.

    However, even in institutions of higher education, other countries are starting to excel and develop their own appeal to these bright minds of the world. Our #1 reputation ranking in that area is already being contended and even already in question, in certain circles.

    We need to do a lot more if we wish to remain the land of opportunity and desired destination for higher learning; not just from our own insular and smug perspective, but also from the eyes of the rest of the world.

    Dr. Conspiracy: American higher education is second to none in the world. The combination of our ability to assimilate immigrants and our wonderful higher education system is that very thing that makes America strong, and is threatened by the birthers, nativists, and anti-science factions.

  83. avatar
    Thomas Brown July 10, 2012 at 5:24 pm  (Quote) #

    US Citizen:
    Please have a little compassion for Sam.
    In the Special Olympics, everyone’s a winner.

    Or, in Sam’s case, a wiener.

  84. avatar
    Sam Sewell July 10, 2012 at 5:41 pm  (Quote) #

    Well, it certainly serves my purposes to keep you folks busy whatever your rational might be. Insults and ridicule can’t advance any cause so go ahead and dig your hole deeper. BTW that makes me the winner in this exchange as well as in general.

    Me and Charlie Sheen will rule the world :-).

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    Jim July 10, 2012 at 5:47 pm  (Quote) #

    Sam Sewell:
    Well, it certainly serves my purposes to keep you folks busy whatever your rational might be.Insults and ridicule can’t advance any cause so go ahead and dig your hole deeper.BTW that makes me the winner in this exchange as well as in general.

    Me and Charlie Sheen will rule the world .

    Makes sense…a couple of drunks who thinks the world revolves around them.

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    Arthur July 10, 2012 at 6:00 pm  (Quote) #

    Charlie Sheen? Really? You are a very odd person.

    Sam Sewell: Me and Charlie Sheen will rule the world

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    Northland10 July 10, 2012 at 6:20 pm  (Quote) #

    Wouldn’t that be Charlie Sheen and I?

    Making MENSA proud I see.

    Sam Sewell:
    Well, it certainly serves my purposes to keep you folks busy whatever your rational might be.Insults and ridicule can’t advance any cause so go ahead and dig your hole deeper.BTW that makes me the winner in this exchange as well as in general.

    Me and Charlie Sheen will rule the world .

  88. avatar
    Northland10 July 10, 2012 at 6:22 pm  (Quote) #

    I heard a segment on NPR recently covering this very subject.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    One of the problems facing China’s rise to becoming a superpower is the success of its family-planning program. currently Chinese population doesn’t reach replacement fertility and as a result population the ages. Unlike the US, China does not absorb immigrants well. America’s decline as a postindustrial society is slowed by thevigor of its immigrants.

    American higher education is second to none in the world. The combination of our ability to assimilate immigrants and our wonderful higher education system is that very thing that makes America strong, and is threatened by the birthers, nativists, and anti-science factions.

  89. avatar
    Joe Acerbic July 10, 2012 at 6:26 pm  (Quote) #

    Sam must be a Monty Python fan. He’s totally nailing the character and essence of the Black Knight.

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    G July 10, 2012 at 6:38 pm  (Quote) #

    Agreed.

    Although the Black Knight showed a much greater level of emotional maturity… Sam’s childish denial tantrums are reminiscent of a 4 year old…

    Joe Acerbic:
    Sam must be a Monty Python fan. He’s totally nailing the character and essence of the Black Knight.

  91. avatar
    Majority Will July 10, 2012 at 6:47 pm  (Quote) #

    “BTW that makes me the winner in this exchange as well as in general.”

    And toothless birther bigots are doing such an awesome job! Thanks.

  92. avatar
    Majority Will July 10, 2012 at 6:53 pm  (Quote) #

    ” . . . whatever your rational might be.

    I’ll stick with a sound rationale, a perfect record in the courts and literacy.

    Knowing the difference between simple adjectives and nouns must be so exhausting for a genius.

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    JPotter July 10, 2012 at 7:00 pm  (Quote) #

    Sam Sewell: Well, it certainly serves my purposes to keep you folks busy whatever your rational might be. Insults and ridicule can’t advance any cause so go ahead and dig your hole deeper. BTW that makes me the winner in this exchange as well as in general.Me and Charlie Sheen will rule the world .

    “rationale”.

    or, if you prefer a twist, “rationalization”.

    Sheen no longer seems to be winning. It’s all on you, Sewell.

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    JPotter July 10, 2012 at 7:09 pm  (Quote) #

    Northland10: I heard a segment on NPR recently covering this very subject.

    Here it is:

    http://www.npr.org/2012/07/05/156211106/after-a-forced-abortion-a-roaring-debate-in-china

    Not for the faint of heart … a country literally killing its future. So many more enlightened ways to moderate population growth.

  95. avatar
    BillTheCat July 10, 2012 at 7:13 pm  (Quote) #

    Paul Pieniezny: Never in the field of political conflict have so many been laughed at so much by so few.

    LOL 😀

  96. avatar
    BillTheCat July 10, 2012 at 7:18 pm  (Quote) #

    Sam Sewell: Well, it certainly serves my purposes to keep you folks busy whatever your rational might be. Insults and ridicule can’t advance any cause so go ahead and dig your hole deeper. BTW that makes me the winner in this exchange as well as in general.Me and Charlie Sheen will rule the world .

    Yeh Sam, because it takes a lot of time and energy to make a post on a website. Heck you got us nailed down, whatever will we do??? We’re stuck here!!!

    Me thinks you are projecting. We all know you spend 24 hours a day primping on your tiny little website that no one outside the birther bubble cares about, and trolling anti-birther sites looking for mentions of yourself like the narcisistic bigot that you are. Just because it takes you 30 minutes to an hour to make a post doesn’t mean the rest of us are tied up with such “work”.

    BTW, how’s the court cases going? By my count, 140 losses, zero wins. Quite a record of failure.

  97. avatar
    Thrifty July 11, 2012 at 7:48 am  (Quote) #

    Our posts aren’t like writing a graduate thesis; they take very little time. Everyone has hobbies that they fit around their normal responsibilities.

    Sam Sewell:
    Well, it certainly serves my purposes to keep you folks busy whatever your rational might be.Insults and ridicule can’t advance any cause so go ahead and dig your hole deeper.BTW that makes me the winner in this exchange as well as in general.

    Me and Charlie Sheen will rule the world .

  98. avatar
    misha July 11, 2012 at 8:33 am  (Quote) #

    Thrifty: Everyone has hobbies that they fit around their normal responsibilities.

    One time I drove to Anchorage for the Iditarod. We flew to a lodge 100 miles north of Anchorage, and were along the route. Every time a musher went by, someone shouted “What’s your number?”

    As one musher went by, I shouted “What’s your favorite color?”

    See? I’m like this all the time.

  99. avatar
    MN-Skeptic July 11, 2012 at 12:05 pm  (Quote) #

    Sam Sewell:
    Well, it certainly serves my purposes to keep you folks busy whatever your rational might be.Insults and ridicule can’t advance any cause so go ahead and dig your hole deeper.BTW that makes me the winner in this exchange as well as in general.

    Me and Charlie Sheen will rule the world .

    In my mind, reading these websites is akin to watching a reality show like American Idol. A fun waste of time.

    The top dozen American Idol finalists? You thrill to hear their solos. Much like the satisfaction of reading a well researched article or response by Doc, or Woodman, or Lupin, or the folks at Fogbow.

    Simon Cowell’s snarky, on-point put downs? You know in your heart that he’s got some good points. Much like Misha and the other anti-birthers posting here and at the other non-birther sites. Fun to read!

    And, finally, the off-key contestants who appear in the American Idol auditions? That’s the birthers. They’re the reason why some of us watch the early episodes of American Idol. We just can’t believe that these poor excuses for singers actually think they have a chance of winning. We watch to laugh at them. And they never get it. Much like the birthers. The birthers firmly believe that someone will see the brilliance of their arguments. But, like the tone-deaf singers, they won’t get past the initial auditions. Losers all.

  100. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater July 11, 2012 at 12:34 pm  (Quote) #
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    ballantine July 11, 2012 at 12:45 pm  (Quote) #

    Isn’t Sewell one of the pretend grand jury people? That was a productive use of time indeed. Hard to believe anyone with a 4th grade education would think they and their friends can meet at Denny’s and hand out legal indictments. Would think one of them would have been smart enough to look up what a grand jury was at common law. Obviously not the case.

  102. avatar
    G July 11, 2012 at 2:10 pm  (Quote) #

    Excellent analogies throughout. Kudos.

    MN-Skeptic: In my mind, reading these websites is akin to watching a reality show like American Idol. A fun waste of time.

    The top dozen American Idol finalists? You thrill to hear their solos. Much like the satisfaction of reading a well researched article or response by Doc, or Woodman, or Lupin, or the folks at Fogbow.

    Simon Cowell’s snarky, on-point put downs? You know in your heart that he’s got some good points. Much like Misha and the other anti-birthers posting here and at the other non-birther sites. Fun to read!

    And, finally, the off-key contestants who appear in the American Idol auditions? That’s the birthers. They’re the reason why some of us watch the early episodes of American Idol. We just can’t believe that these poor excuses for singers actually think they have a chance of winning. We watch to laugh at them. And they never get it. Much like the birthers. The birthers firmly believe that someone will see the brilliance of their arguments. But, like the tone-deaf singers, they won’t get past the initial auditions. Losers all.

  103. avatar
    misha July 11, 2012 at 4:34 pm  (Quote) #

    MN-Skeptic: Much like Misha and the other anti-birthers posting here and at the other non-birther sites. Fun to read!

    Like this:
    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/07/joe_arpaio_to_open_al_capones.php#comment-579479640

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