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Indiana: Taitz proceeds

I’ve been burned more than once getting news from Orly Taitz, but here we go again.

According to her [link to Taitz web site] an Indiana judge reconsidered a prior ruling and is allowing Orly to proceed in her lawsuit against the Indiana Secretary of State and the Elections Commission on three causes of action: fraud, breach of fiduciary duty, and negligence.

I think the magnetic poles of the earth must have momentarily flipped because Taitz reports that Judge Reid said:

it looks like you know what you are doing

I don’t think any “Obots” were at the hearing to provide an independent report. Comments at The Fogbow forum point out that Taitz only gets to proceed if she survives the inevitable Motion to Dismiss.

Here is her amended complaint.

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54 Responses to Indiana: Taitz proceeds

  1. avatar
    Rickey August 8, 2012 at 10:00 pm #

    It’s a technicality. At the hearing where the case was dismissed, Orly’s claims of breach of fiduciary duty, negligence and fraud were not raised, as the defendants have acknowledged. Since they weren’t raised, they couldn’t have been dismissed with prejudice.

    This just means that the defendants will have to file new motions to dismiss on those claims.

    Apparently Mike Zullo ignored Orly’s subpoena.

  2. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter August 8, 2012 at 10:36 pm #

    Dr C:

    How in the world could you not take her at her word:

    OMG!!! I didn’t lose!!! Can You believe it??? OH Happy Day!!! I feel like the Snoopy Dog who dances in Charlie Brown cartoons!!! This was a hectic day, but things are looking up!

    I got up at 4 am yesterday and drove to LA and flew to Phoenix and from there to Indianapolis eating peanuts. I landed at 3:30 and immediately headed to court. I was horrified to see that one important motion, Motion for a leave of court to proceed as relators on writ of mandamus and quo warranto was not docketed. I inquired the clerk, WTF???

    At the hearing the judge agreed with me and ruled that I can proseed on the causes of action for Fraud, Breach of Fiduciary Duty and Negligence against the Secretary of State and the Elections Commission. OH is this AMERICA or not??? I did it. I did bild it by myself so NO THANKS to YOU Obama!!! Only one cause of action, dealing with the agency appeal, I will refile later, when the general election filing period starts.

    Only one thing bother me. The judge assigned to me to draft her proposed order and submit to her signature. Why I have to do this when I the winner??? Shouldn’t loser have to do all the extra work??? What is her motiff??? Never to mind. I can do this. I can do anything now!!!

    More or less.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    JPotter August 8, 2012 at 10:39 pm #

    I think the magnetic poles of the earth must have momentarily flipped because Taitz reports that Judge Reid said:

    “it looks like you know what you are doing…”

    Not at all, you just have to reverse the polarity! Taitz is a birfer, inverted, backwards, antimatter. Luckily, translating birfese is a snap. Makes pig latin looks complex. Just look for the possible omissions or inversions that translated reality into farce:

    <blockquote?Taitz reports that Judge Reid said: “it looks like you know what you are doing…”

    I think I spotted the problem! A birfer source! That’s a charge of -1. We’ll have to apply a second negative charge in order to correctly translate back to reality (-1 • -1 = +1). Let’s see ….

    [Reality] reports that Judge Reid [never] said: “it looks like you know what you are doing…”

    … or ….

    [Reality] reports that Judge Reid said: “it looks like you [think you] know what you are doing…”

    … or ….

    [Reality] reports that Judge Reid said: “it looks like you [don’t] know what you are doing…”

    … or ….

    [Reality] reports that Judge Reid said: “it looks like you know [doodly-squat!]”

  4. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter August 8, 2012 at 10:49 pm #

    Darn, that is weird. I kept getting blocked as SPAM trying to comment. Was it quotation marks or something???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    Underdog August 8, 2012 at 10:51 pm #

    All of this nonsense about the PDF is just that, nonsense.
    It is the content that matters and only part of that content is needed for this exercise.
    Name, Date of Birth, Place of Birth and names of the parents (to cover off on the foreign diplomat clause) are all that are needed for verification. Everything else is just noise.

  6. avatar
    Thomas Brown August 8, 2012 at 10:52 pm #

    I think she just truncated the Judge’s sentence. I believe it was something like “It looks like you know what you are doing. . . but appearances can be deceiving.”

  7. avatar
    GeorgetownJD August 8, 2012 at 11:50 pm #

    Hokay. Just re-read her Amended Complaint. She’s asking for injunctive and declaratory relief and thinks she will get a jury trial?

    Apparently Taft Skool O’ Law and Truck Driving doesn’t teach the distinction between actions at law and suits in equity. Or Orly skipped the online seminar that week.

    (I won’t even go into the many, many other problems with her pleading.)

  8. avatar
    The Magic M August 9, 2012 at 4:39 am #

    > because Taitz reports that Judge Reid said

    Given Orly’s previous distorted views of what really happened (both legally and factually), I doubt the judge said any such thing at all (or in the context that Orly would like us to believe he did).

    I mean, seriously, which judge ever says this to a lawyer, and even if he did, which lawyer ever bothers to mention it? Is Orly finally acknowledging she has no clue at all? I mean, I as a layman would not even mention this when it happened to me appearing pro se (I don’t know if Orly appears pro se here, but even if she did, she’s a lawyer for chrissakes).

    This is just another round of claiming victory when there is none in sight. I mean, even her most devoted followers can only take so much of failures. She has to throw them a bone occasionally which makes it appear she is not a total numbnut.

  9. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 9, 2012 at 7:43 am #

    The spam filter doesn’t explain its mysterious ways to mere mortals like you or me.

    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter: Darn, that is weird. I kept getting blocked as SPAM trying to comment. Was it quotation marks or something???

  10. avatar
    bgansel9 August 9, 2012 at 9:52 am #

    I look forward to the judge yanking Orly’s victory right out from under her. 😛

  11. avatar
    clestes August 9, 2012 at 10:12 am #

    Ahhh, Orly Taitz.

    Everyone knows the Obama administration is going to go down in history for many, many things. ACA, ending DADT, refusing to support DOMA, killing OBL, the auto bailout, just to namr a few, but along with his many accomplishments, there are going to be books written about the crazy world in which this amazing man managed to accomplish so much. In 30 years when there is some sense of history about this time, people will read about Orly, Sheriff Joe, Zullo and the whole Birther story and wonder just what American were thinking letting these kooks block up the courts with their meritless claims.

    Here we are, straining because of lack of judges, (thank you repubs!) and judges have to spend time reading pleadings from a woman who cannot even spell! Only someone who is actually living this time can appreciate it, espcially if one follows the political scene which stretches from Romney’s missing tax returns to Birther complaints to pointless and insame trips to HI to demands to see the president’s BC to Baggers who carry signs that say “Federal governament, keep your hands off my Medicare”

    Since I am one of those who do follow politics, it will be a joy to read the books and laugh all over again. In

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    The Magic M August 9, 2012 at 11:38 am #

    clestes: people will read about Orly, Sheriff Joe, Zullo and the whole Birther story

    I doubt it. Already today, if people read about 9/11, how much do they get in touch with all things truther? Whoever, in a couple of decades, looks back on 2012, or the 2012 election, or the Obama presidency, will certainly not find birtherism among the top 100 issues. Because history only cares about things that actually made a difference – like all the things you mentioned.
    History doesn’t care about fools who never had their day of light. Nobody who talks about the moon landing is wasting one oxygen molecule on the “moon landing hoax” conspiracists.

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    Rickey August 9, 2012 at 12:06 pm #

    The Magic M:
    History doesn’t care about fools who never had their day of light. Nobody who talks about the moon landing is wasting one oxygen molecule on the “moon landing hoax” conspiracists.

    There is a difference, though. Some genuinely prominent figures (Trump, Arpaio) have embraced the birther movement and given it more traction than it would have had if it were limited to the likes of Taitz and Apuzzo. I don’t believe that you can find anyone of similar prominence who has touted the “moon landing hoax” theory.

    It also could be an interesting case study on how the Internet has exponentially enhanced the ability of conspiracy theorists to spread their crackpot ideas. If it were a movie, it would be called “Invasion of the Brain Snatchers.”

  14. avatar
    LW August 9, 2012 at 12:47 pm #

    The closest thing I can find to a prominent moon hoaxer is Joe Rogan. There are a disturbing (and disturbed) number of “prominent” truthers or truther-curious out there.

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    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter August 9, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    The spam filter doesn’t explain its mysterious ways to mere mortals like you or me.

    Dr.C

    Thank you for fixing it!!! It looks like Dr. Taitz discovered the “more or less” quote and I made her website again. Ohhh!

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=221730

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  16. avatar
    Bob August 9, 2012 at 3:05 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter: Dr.C

    It looks like Dr. Taitz discovered the “more or less” quote and I made her website again. Ohhh!

    I liked your photo selection that accompanied the article and how Orly found it insulting — and yet her entire shtick is to spew personal insults about Obama and his family.

    She posts a lot of my comments which are usually “supportive” but very, very stupid with misspellings or sometimes my comments are just completely nonsensical or defeatist. I’d say she puts about 50% of my comments through. I use all sorts of crazy names and email addresses.

    OT:

    Yesterday a Birther on WND thought the word “vetting” came from the word “Vattel.”

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    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter August 9, 2012 at 3:15 pm #

    BoB;

    I am glad you like the image!!! If the Birthers had just “moused over” it, they would know that it wasn’t Hitler, but instead Deputy Zullo. LOL. I can’t believe how silly they are. Plus, everybody knows that “vetting” comes from the old adage, “let’s take this old mutt to the vet and see if he has worms” from the Lum n’ Abner radio show..

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  18. avatar
    LW August 9, 2012 at 3:25 pm #

    Heh. It’s not schicklegruber; not even close. The woman is Ann Sheridan, and the guy is in the uniform of a US Army full general.

    EDIT: It could be some regional law enforcement officer. He’s pinning what looks like a police badge on her, that says “Lieutenant” and “LANE”. In English, not German.

  19. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter August 9, 2012 at 4:39 pm #

    OOOPSIES!!! Looks like Taitz discovered it wasn’t Hitler after all. Now, you get a page missing 404 thingie:

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=221730

    Glad I screen saved it.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  20. avatar
    Thomas Brown August 9, 2012 at 4:39 pm #

    Bob: Yesterday a Birther on WND thought the word “vetting” came from the word “Vattel.”

    [keyboardfaceplant]

  21. avatar
    donna August 9, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

    Rickey: “Some genuinely prominent figures (Trump, Arpaio) ….. ”

    seriously, i don’t think an arizona county sheriff will have much of a blurb in history books …. maybe in his OBIT

    and trump? his bankruptcies, numerous marriages/affairs, failing deals, etc may take top billing to his birtherism – where there will be mention is in referencing that may, 2011 correspondents’ dinner where, obama skewered trump while having already given the go-ahead to kill bin laden – now THAT was an event which will aptly describe obama as cool as a cucumber and a REAL commander-in-chief

    in this article “NBC’s Williams In Awe of Obama’s ‘Even Keel’ During Bin Laden Killing” there is NO MENTION of trump

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2012/05/03/nbcs-williams-awe-obamas-even-keel-during-bin-laden-killing#ixzz235LHbIZa

  22. avatar
    bgansel9 August 9, 2012 at 5:28 pm #

    “MY NEMESIS RACHEL MADDOW OF MSNBC INQUIRES WHETHER I SHOULD HAVE A SPEAKING SLOT AT THE GOP CONVENTION? WHY NOT? I’VE DONE MORE TO EXPOSE OBAMA THAN EVERYONE SPEAKING AT THIS CONVENTION TAKEN TOGETHER, I GUARANTEE A STNDING OVATION, AS I ALWAYS GET AT GOP GATHERINGS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO BET ON IT RACHEL MADDOW?” – Orly Taitz

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=221741

    ROTFLMAO! I can’t help it, it’s just too much. Make her stop, please!

  23. avatar
    Thrifty August 9, 2012 at 5:33 pm #

    bgansel9: “MY NEMESIS RACHEL MADDOW OF MSNBC INQUIRES WHETHER I SHOULD HAVE A SPEAKING SLOT AT THE GOP CONVENTION? WHY NOT? I’VE DONE MORE TO EXPOSE OBAMA THAN EVERYONE SPEAKING AT THIS CONVENTION TAKEN TOGETHER, I GUARANTEE A STNDING OVATION, AS I ALWAYS GET AT GOP GATHERINGS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO BET ON IT RACHEL MADDOW?” – Orly Taitz

    I would be honored if the attendees at the Republican National Convention gave me a “stinding” ovation.

  24. avatar
    Nemesis August 9, 2012 at 6:15 pm #

    I find it most amusing that Ms. Taitz thinks she warrants a nemesis.

    bgansel9:
    “MY NEMESIS RACHEL MADDOW OF MSNBC INQUIRES WHETHER I SHOULD HAVE A SPEAKING SLOT AT THE GOP CONVENTION? WHY NOT?

    ROTFLMAO! I can’t help it, it’s just too much. Make her stop, please!

  25. avatar
    CarlOrcas August 9, 2012 at 6:19 pm #

    Bob: Yesterday a Birther on WND thought the word “vetting” came from the word “Vattel.”

    Once again a birther doesn’t understand: Vattel was talking about taking his cat to the veterinarian – called vetting in his time – because he had kidney stones. Very painful….even then.

  26. avatar
    JPotter August 9, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    Bob:
    Yesterday a Birther on WND thought the word “vetting” came from the word “Vattel.”

    Well, c’mon, how many words have a ‘v’ and two ‘t’s???

    Clearly they are related.

    Um, vittles.

  27. avatar
    JPotter August 9, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    bgansel9: MY NEMESIS RACHEL MADDOW OF MSNBC INQUIRES WHETHER I SHOULD HAVE A SPEAKING SLOT AT THE GOP CONVENTION? WHY NOT?

    Truly a legend in her own mind!

  28. avatar
    LW August 9, 2012 at 6:57 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=221730

    Four Oh Four now. Someone must have let her know it wasn’t Dolphy baby, or even Dick Shawn.

    (EDIT: Ah, I see SF has already reported on this in her inimitable style 😆 )

  29. avatar
    bgansel9 August 9, 2012 at 6:58 pm #

    Thrifty: I would be honored if the attendees at the Republican National Convention gave me a “stinding” ovation.

    I think it would be a stunding ovation. 😛 (I would be stunned!)

  30. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter August 9, 2012 at 7:04 pm #

    LW,

    Actually, I have 2 comments still in moderation on this thread. It must be all the (exclamation marks). But thank you for noticing.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    Rickey August 9, 2012 at 7:24 pm #

    donna:
    Rickey: “Some genuinely prominent figures (Trump, Arpaio) ….. ”

    seriously, i don’t think an arizona county sheriff will have much of a blurb in history books ….maybe in his OBIT

    and trump? his bankruptcies, numerous marriages/affairs, failing deals, etc may take top billing to his birtherism – where there will be mention is in referencing that may, 2011 correspondents’ dinner where, obama skewered trump while having already given the go-ahead to kill bin laden – now THAT was an event which will aptly describe obama as cool as a cucumber and a REAL commander-in-chief

    in this article “NBC’s Williams In Awe of Obama’s ‘Even Keel’ During Bin Laden Killing” there is NO MENTION of trump

    Sure, but I wasn’t making the case that those two buffoons have any credibility. However, they are well-known buffoons, and the mainstream media actually took it seriously when Trump talked about running for President.

  32. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 9, 2012 at 8:05 pm #

    it’s the word “Hitler.”

    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter: It must be all the (exclamation marks).

  33. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter August 9, 2012 at 8:25 pm #

    Dr.C:

    Thank you. I must have been a MORION not to think of that.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    G August 9, 2012 at 9:51 pm #

    Yes, but I think you are missing Donna’s point here:

    Even though they are “well-known buffoons” during this current period of history, they STILL often get left out (as inconsequential) from many news reports FROM this SAME current period of history.

    Hence, the example of Brian William’s report on that event, in which Trump still doesn’t rate high enough to merit a mention.

    Therefore, if these “well-known buffoons” barely rate any ink on reporting events in this current period of history (in which they would have the most “relevance”), then they are even much, much less likely to even merit a footnote, when future historians bother to write about this period of time.

    Rickey: Sure, but I wasn’t making the case that those two buffoons have any credibility. However, they are well-known buffoons, and the mainstream media actually took it seriously when Trump talked about running for President.

  35. avatar
    Paper August 9, 2012 at 10:59 pm #

    Here’s how I think it might work. In the future no one will learn about this stuff, but one day there will be some other silliness, and people will start reading about the past Nd they will learn all over again about Chester A. Arthur, and then about Barack Obama. Now what was that guy’s name who wrote a book about Arthur? You see, I read that book and at the moment I can’t even remember the man’s name. I can get it in one second, but the point is that that is the fate people like Corsi et al will suffer. By and large, they will be relegated to historical curiosities in this matter. Or worse. Only a very few people will, ever bother to research their failings.

    G:

    Even though they are “well-known buffoons” during this current period of history, they STILL often get left out (as inconsequential) from many news reports FROM this SAME current period of history….

  36. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 9, 2012 at 11:35 pm #

    I love it when the crazy broad thinks that she’s making progress, it makes seeing her reaction to getting yet another door get slammed in her face, all the more entertaining.

  37. avatar
    Joe Acerbic August 10, 2012 at 2:05 am #

    Re: “it looks like you know what you are doing”

    Context is everything. The judge said that when Orly turned her back to him and adjusted her shoe straps.

  38. avatar
    Keith August 10, 2012 at 3:38 am #

    Paper:
    Here’s how I think it might work.In the future no one will learn about this stuff, but one day there will be some other silliness, and people will start reading about the past Nd they will learn all over again about Chester A. Arthur, and then about Barack Obama.Now what was that guy’s name who wrote a book about Arthur?You see, I read that book and at the moment I can’t even remember the man’s name.I can get it in one second, but the point is that that is the fate people like Corsi et al will suffer.By and large, they will be relegated to historical curiosities in this matter.Or worse.Only a very few people will, ever bother to research their failings.

    I don’t see much evidence that anybody is doing any research on the “Know-Nothing” movement. The parallels with today’s political environment are uncanny.

    The platform of the Know-Nothing’s “American Party” called for, among other things:

    * Severe limits on immigration, especially from Catholic countries.
    * Restricting political office to native-born Americans of English and/or Scottish lineage and Protestant persuasion.
    *Mandating a wait of 21 years before an immigrant could gain citizenship.
    *Restricting public school teacher positions to Protestants.
    *Mandating daily Bible readings in public schools.
    *Restricting the sale of liquor.
    *Restricting the use of languages other than English

    Millard Filmore was the AP candidate in 1856

  39. avatar
    G August 10, 2012 at 4:08 am #

    Even that “Know-Nothing” comparison is more akin to how the current GOP and the Tea Party movement will be viewed by future historians.

    I don’t think Birtherism, which is merely a set of crazy unfounded tabloid-level conspiracy gutter trash, would even rate as much more than a blip subset example of the paranoid and brainwashed hate-based mindset of those GOP/Tea political movements…

    Keith: I don’t see much evidence that anybody is doing any research on the “Know-Nothing” movement. The parallels with today’s political environment are uncanny.The platform of the Know-Nothing’s “American Party” called for, among other things:* Severe limits on immigration, especially from Catholic countries.* Restricting political office to native-born Americans of English and/or Scottish lineage and Protestant persuasion.*Mandating a wait of 21 years before an immigrant could gain citizenship.*Restricting public school teacher positions to Protestants.*Mandating daily Bible readings in public schools.*Restricting the sale of liquor.*Restricting the use of languages other than EnglishMillard Filmore was the AP candidate in 1856

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    The Magic M August 10, 2012 at 4:13 am #

    JPotter: Well, c’mon, how many words have a ‘v’ and two ‘t’s???

    Clearly they are related.

    Um, vittles.

    Vignette? Vendetta?

    Don’t forget Saint Vattel also invented mineral water (called “Vittel” today).
    I’ve also heard a rumour that Darth Vattel is the father of Luke Skycorsi, a natural born Jedi. They are both trying to prove Chewbama was born on Keshyyyknya and that Han Irion shot first.

  41. avatar
    G August 10, 2012 at 4:23 am #

    ROTFLMAO!

    The Magic M: Don’t forget Saint Vattel also invented mineral water (called “Vittel” today).
    I’ve also heard a rumour that Darth Vattel is the father of Luke Skycorsi, a natural born Jedi. They are both trying to prove Chewbama was born on Keshyyyknya and that Han Irion shot first.

  42. avatar
    Keith August 10, 2012 at 5:48 am #

    G: Even that “Know-Nothing” comparison is more akin to how the current GOP and the Tea Party movement will be viewed by future historians…

    True.

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    Paper August 10, 2012 at 6:59 am #

    I learned about the Know-Nothings in high school, for what it’s worth. But I don’t remember learning about Hinman’s rumors about Arthur.

    Hinman’s mentioned in Arthur’s Wikipedia page, but merely as someone spreading rumors. However, Barack Obama’s main Wikipedia page doesn’t mention Corsi or any of the Birthers or anything about birther conspiracy theories. (Separate page for that, but not even referenced in the main page.)

    Birthers at best can look forward to being listed as rumor-mongers or shills of one sort or another in the rarely read footnotes of history. If they rate more than that, it will be for dark reasons, not noble or patriotic reasons. As in a Venn diagram of where birthers overlap with bigots, racists and enablers.

    Keith: I don’t see much evidence that anybody is doing any research on the “Know-Nothing” movement. The parallels with today’s political environment are uncanny.

  44. avatar
    Paper August 10, 2012 at 7:00 am #

    I suppose I meant a Vattel Diagram?

  45. avatar
    Steven Feinstein August 10, 2012 at 8:29 am #

    Well shockingly, it turns out that Orly either lied is even more clueless than we thought. The dockets reflect that her Motion was DENIED, but that she was given leave to file an amended complaint with her causes of action for fraud, etc.

    The original complaint had been dismissed with prejudice, but it did not include the allegations of fraud, negligence, etc. The original order had nothing to do with these allegations as they were not in the original complaint. Orly had improperly and untimely filed an amended complaint and then sought to a reconsideration of the dismissal with prejudice because of the new allegations. The Court denied this request and recognized that the amended complaint was improperly filed, so it gave her 30 days to properly file an amended complaint. The amended complaint will be dismissed in due course.

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    The Magic M August 10, 2012 at 8:50 am #

    Steven Feinstein: but that she was given leave to file an amended complaint

    In Orlyland, that translates to “the judge allowed me to proceed (with discovery)”.

    Steven Feinstein: so it gave her 30 days to properly file an amended complaint

    Probably the “it seems you know what you’re doing” is referring to that part. As in “you’re obviously not a babbling idiot incapable of writing a single word, so you can probably file your amended complaint within that timeframe”.

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    G August 10, 2012 at 9:15 am #

    Thank you for the update clarification!

    No surprise to find out that what happened was along those expected lines and NOT remotely anything like Orly’s bizarro-world imaginings…

    Steven Feinstein: Well shockingly, it turns out that Orly either lied is even more clueless than we thought. The dockets reflect that her Motion was DENIED, but that she was given leave to file an amended complaint with her causes of action for fraud, etc.The original complaint had been dismissed with prejudice, but it did not include the allegations of fraud, negligence, etc. The original order had nothing to do with these allegations as they were not in the original complaint. Orly had improperly and untimely filed an amended complaint and then sought to a reconsideration of the dismissal with prejudice because of the new allegations. The Court denied this request and recognized that the amended complaint was improperly filed, so it gave her 30 days to properly file an amended complaint. The amended complaint will be dismissed in due course.

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    LW August 10, 2012 at 10:09 am #

    And of course, the whole thing centers on the vattelidity of certain vattel statistics.

    If it’s Vattel, it’s swell!

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    G August 10, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    Agreed.

    Birtherism, as failed and kooky conspiracy, will likely be just a footnote reference to some bigger political period context reference, in those rare instances in which it could even come up. As you mentioned, most of the “Birther players” will simply be too unimportant to even garnish their own mention.

    For similar historical analogies, only two things came to mind:

    1 – The John Birch Society – a movement full of lots of RWNJ political conspiricy: Where it even merits a passing reference today (such as an analogy to explain the wacked out paranoia ferver of the Tea Party), often doesn’t go much deeper than name dropping the movement and dismissively saying that they were the similar kooks of a previous era.

    Under the extremely rare times that mentioning JBS even gets to “name dropping” players, only two main founders seem to get a mention: Robert W. Welch Jr. and Fred Koch.

    Then again, Welch was already famous and well known for his candy manufacturing empire and Fred Koch is the founder of Koch Industries (YES – *that* Koch Industries…which is connected to the current evil trust-fund baby “Koch Brothers”, who are one of the biggest players behind the Tea Party and the GOP… so manipulative fear/smear RWNJ politics seems to be a legacy agenda in *that* family!) . My point here being that the only figureheads that get mention were already well-known multi-millionaire industrialists…

    2 – When think of prior hate-based paranoid movements based in racism and religious bigotry, mixed in with accusations of Communism, the name of Father Coughlin often also comes up as a reference.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin

    So, the question is, will any Birthers remain notable enough to merit a recognizable reference by future historians and those that study this period of history?

    In terms of the JBS example, I would expect Donald Trump to be remembered as a “larger than life” persona figure…so when describing him, a passing epithet reference of Birther and the Birtherism movement will probably live on, in reference to the carnival barker episodes in his personal history. Likewise, Arpaio has enough of a broader and lengthy record of being a prominent and famous controversial political figure, that history will probably remember him, with Birtherism getting a similar passing mention in his biography.

    In terms of a “Father Couglin” name-level infamy, possibly Orly Taitz, Joseph Farah and Jerome Corsi. Because of “Swift Boating” entering the lexicon, that reference may continue to get passed along for awhile in history, as a derogatory term for “yellow journalism” style political hit-piece propaganda. So, WND/Farah/Corsi may live on in despised cautionary-tale references like that…with their period of flirting with Birtherism being thrown in as a perjorative mention.

    Orly Taitz is such an over-the-top clownish persona and prolific disaster in frivolous filings, that she is probably the most likely “Birther only” character to remain memorable enough as a summary reference for the whole insanity of the movement…

    …But beyond that, the rest of the whole Cult of Birtherism and their various cast of chacters – whether it be their other “movement leaders” (Mario, Donofrio, etc.), cast of reoccuring characters/bloggers/propagandists/con artists/activists (Manning, Zullo, Lucas Smith, Miki Booth, Tim Adams, KBOA, Polarik, Haskins, etc) or “true believer” dupes (Lakin, Rudy Lonestar1776, etc)… – …they are most likely to simply fade into such utter obscurity with time, that they will mostly become lost to history and utterly forgotten.

    Paper: I learned about the Know-Nothings in high school, for what it’s worth. But I don’t remember learning about Hinman’s rumors about Arthur.Hinman’s mentioned in Arthur’s Wikipedia page, but merely as someone spreading rumors. However, Barack Obama’s main Wikipedia page doesn’t mention Corsi or any of the Birthers or anything about birther conspiracy theories. (Separate page for that, but not even referenced in the main page.) Birthers at best can look forward to being listed as rumor-mongers or shills of one sort or another in the rarely read footnotes of history. If they rate more than that, it will be for dark reasons, not noble or patriotic reasons. As in a Venn diagram of where birthers overlap with bigots, racists and enablers.

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    Keith August 10, 2012 at 11:05 am #

    G: Fred Koch is the founder of Koch Industries (YES – *that* Koch Industries…which is connected to the current evil trust-fund baby “Koch Brothers”, who are one of the biggest players behind the Tea Party and the GOP… so manipulative fear/smear RWNJ politics seems to be a legacy agenda in *that* family!)

    Hey, I never made the connection! So the Tea Party isn’t ‘like’ the JBS – it IS the JBS! Wow!

    G: When think of prior hate-based paranoid movements based in racism and religious bigotry, mixed in with accusations of Communism, the name of Father Coughlin often also comes up as a reference.

    Uggggh. My parents, neither of whom one could accurately describe as enlightened individuals when it came to race relations or the fine points of politics, used to get all red in the face when Coughlin was mentioned. They couldn’t stand the snake nor anything he stood for.

    He was an avowed Facist who once supported Roosevelt (‘leftist’), then Huey Long(‘socialist’), then Herr Schicklegruber (‘facist’). Absolutely shameless, he was.

    A blowhard that would say anything just to get somebody to listen to him. His radio program made him Beck and Limbaugh rolled up into one.

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    Rickey August 10, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

    Keith:
    Uggggh. My parents, neither of whom one could accurately describe as enlightened individuals when it came to race relations or the fine points of politics, used to get all red in the face when Coughlin was mentioned. They couldn’t stand the snake nor anything he stood for.

    He was an avowed Facist who once supported Roosevelt (‘leftist’), then Huey Long(‘socialist’), then Herr Schicklegruber (‘facist’). Absolutely shameless, he was.

    A blowhard that would say anything just to get somebody to listen to him. His radio program made him Beck and Limbaugh rolled up into one.

    One of Father Coughlin’s followers was Gerald L.K. Smith, a pro-Nazi anti-Semite who founded the America First Party in 1943. Smith in turn influenced George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazi Party. Those people are still heroes in the eyes of white supremacists.

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    G August 10, 2012 at 3:03 pm #

    Yep. Disturbing, isn’t it?

    Keith: Hey, I never made the connection! So the Tea Party isn’t ‘like’ the JBS – it IS the JBS! Wow!

    A very apt analogy.

    Keith: Uggggh. My parents, neither of whom one could accurately describe as enlightened individuals when it came to race relations or the fine points of politics, used to get all red in the face when Coughlin was mentioned. They couldn’t stand the snake nor anything he stood for.
    He was an avowed Facist who once supported Roosevelt (‘leftist’), then Huey Long(‘socialist’), then Herr Schicklegruber (‘facist’). Absolutely shameless, he was.
    A blowhard that would say anything just to get somebody to listen to him. His radio program made him Beck and Limbaugh rolled up into one.

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    Keith August 11, 2012 at 2:29 am #

    I forgot to mention that I was born in a Detroit suburb just down the road from and my Grandmother, while not a Catholic, lived in Coughlin’s Diocese in Royal Oak.

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    Rickey August 20, 2012 at 2:43 pm #

    Orly’s proposed Order in Indiana was signed by the judge, but only after heavy redaction. The judge redacted all of the garbage which Orly put in about her case not being heard on the merits. The only part remaining is that she has been granted leave to file her Amended Complaint.

    It’s a bit difficult to read because the copy is very faint. I was able to read it on my high-definition laptop, but you may need to jack up the contrast on your monitor.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/103210502/2012-08-17-IN-ORDER-Denying-Rule-60-Motion-and-Granting-Leave-to-File-SAC