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Birther SSN claims: the stumbling block

Susan Daniels, Orly Taitz and many others among the Obama eligibility deniers point to the President’s social-security number, which comes from a number series usually (but not always) assigned to residents of Connecticut. They say he stole the number from someone.

There are all sorts of objections to the claims of social-security fraud raised against the President, but the “elephant in the room” is that if Barack Obama is using someone else’s number, whose is it?

Susan Daniels is supposed to be a cracker-jack detective (according to some who subscribe to her theories), and certainly detectives and Internet researchers have looked at all of the public databases and perhaps some in law enforcement have even looked at official databases, yet every search of the Obama number leads to exactly one person, Barack Obama.

Nicholas A. Burling, an assistant county prosecuting attorney in Ohio, looked at a complaint written by Susan Daniels and zeroed on this exact point in his letter to Daniels:

The statute requires us to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that President Obama is using a Social Security number that belongs to another person. You have not alleged to whom you believe this SSN actually belongs. …

As our investigation of your allegations has not returned any evidence of a crime, our office will not be pursuing any charges against President Obama.

Here’s the entire letter to Daniels:

Ohio Prosecutor David Joyce Responds to P.I. Susan Daniels About Obama’s Connecticut Social Security Number…

39 Responses to Birther SSN claims: the stumbling block

  1. avatar
    Rickey October 5, 2012 at 7:28 pm #

    Arthur:
    You’ve got to read this letter to Susan Daniels from Geauga County Prosecuting Attorney in Ohio. It’s another magnificent birther smack-down.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/109126488/Ohio-Prosecutor-David-Joyce-Responds-to-P-I-Susan-Daniels-About-Obama-s-Connecticut-Social-Security-Number-10-5-2012

    That’s great. As has been pointed out here many times, the birthers have never been able to identify anyone else who has used Obama’ SSN.

    Even if such evidence existed, I don’t know how Daniels concluded that prosecutors in Ohio would have jurisdiction. Obama has never lived in Ohio, and there is nothing to suggest that he has ever used his SSN in Ohio. And who would the victim be? The victims in identity theft are the person whose identify was stolen and the creditors who were defrauded.

  2. avatar
    Rickey October 5, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

    As I’ve said before, my ex-wife has a SSN with a Pennsylvania prefix, but she has never lived in Pennsylvania and she was living in New York when it was issued. Her SSN could well be the result of a typographical error. Her SSN prefix is 210; 110 is New York.

    A bit off topic, but The New Yorker has published previously-unseen photos of President Obama and some of his friends while he was at Occidental.

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/10/barack-obama-at-occidental-college-photographs.html#slide_ss_0=1

  3. avatar
    sactosintolerant October 6, 2012 at 1:52 am #

    Enjoy your nuclear power plant Geauga County!

  4. avatar
    Horus October 6, 2012 at 2:04 am #

    I was born in Minnesota and I have a New York prefix.

  5. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG October 6, 2012 at 9:19 am #

    Birthers, pwning themselves since 2008.

  6. avatar
    alg October 6, 2012 at 9:43 am #

    Also missing in all of this is a substantive motive for the President using someone else’s social security number – especially given how easy it is to get one in the first place.

  7. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG October 6, 2012 at 10:01 am #

    I think the birther though process goes something like, “If you make up an absurd enough like, people will accept it as the truth, because they will ask themselves “Why would someone tell such an obvious lie? It must be true!” Yeah, that’s the ticket!”

  8. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG October 6, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    Typo fairy strikes again!

  9. avatar
    Bob October 6, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    Watching the Birthers is like watching someone step on a rake over and over and . . .

  10. avatar
    Woodrowfan October 6, 2012 at 11:25 am #

    Bob:
    Watching the Birthers is like watching someone step on a rake over and over and. . .

    and then claiming President Obama spent millions places the rake there…

  11. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG October 6, 2012 at 12:00 pm #

    Woodrowfan: and then claiming President Obama spent millions places the rake there…

    Not the president, but rather the George Soros Manchurian Institute for Islamic Socialist mind control and rake placement! Also, Illuminati.

  12. avatar
    gorefan October 6, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

    Bob: Watching the Birthers is like watching someone step on a rake over and over and . . .

    Is this what you had in mind?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmNObROcBOo

  13. avatar
    DaveH October 6, 2012 at 3:28 pm #

    Daniel’s also claims that they just added the information about not relying on the 3 digit area code as being an accurate way to determine where the applicant applied after she started her investigation.

    Did she start her investigation back in 2001? I ask because the web page that explains the 3 digit number hasn’t changed since 2001. Maybe Obama got to Wayback Machine? Of course, we all know that he has a time machine.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20010302160247/http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html

  14. avatar
    misha marinsky October 6, 2012 at 8:05 pm #

    “Susan Daniels is supposed to be a cracker-jack detective”

    She is. She got her badge and decoder ring from the bottom of a Cracker Back jox.

    Apologies to the Firesign Theater.

    [“Why that’s nothing but a cheap ring from a Cracker Back jox.”]

  15. avatar
    misha marinsky October 6, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

    Horus: I was born in Minnesota and I have a New York prefix.

    Orly Taitz has a Galactic Federation prefix.

  16. avatar
    ObiWanCannoli October 6, 2012 at 8:47 pm #

    I wonder what the Geauga County is getting from the Obama administration in return for refusing to investigate his stolen SSN.

  17. avatar
    Keith October 6, 2012 at 9:58 pm #

    ObiWanCannoli:
    I wonder what the Geauga County is getting from the Obama administration in return for refusing to investigate his stolen SSN.

    The Overlords have a standard rate scale for this sort of thing. As pointed out earlier…

    sactosintolerant:
    Enjoy your nuclear power plant Geauga County!

  18. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG October 6, 2012 at 11:10 pm #

    misha marinsky: Orly Taitz has a Galactic Federation prefix.

    As a Vice Admiral in the Galactic Federation, I can assure you that her prefix is normally assigned to residents of garbage scows, and commune vessels for the terminally incontinent.

  19. avatar
    That Other Mike October 7, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

    Horus:
    I was born in Minnesota and I have a New York prefix.

    Well, I was born in England, live in Minnesota and have a Pennsylvania prefix. I have no idea why – maybe there’s an ICE processing centre in PA or something.

  20. avatar
    AlCum October 7, 2012 at 8:31 pm #

    ObiWanCannoli:
    I wonder what the Geauga County is getting from the Obama administration in return for refusing to investigate his stolen SSN.

    Obama does not have a stolen SSN, Try to keep up.

  21. avatar
    misha marinsky October 7, 2012 at 9:22 pm #

    ObiWanCannoli: I wonder what the Geauga County is getting from the Obama administration in return for refusing to investigate his stolen SSN.

    A shave and a haircut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSj-w01_t2o

  22. avatar
    Spell Me October 7, 2012 at 10:00 pm #

    SSN
    LFBC
    SSR
    FMD

    GFY

  23. avatar
    CarlOrcas October 7, 2012 at 10:25 pm #

    ObiWanCannoli: I wonder what the Geauga County is getting from the Obama administration in return for refusing to investigate his stolen SSN.

    Stolen? From whom? Please…..tell us.

  24. avatar
    misha marinsky October 7, 2012 at 10:43 pm #

    Spell Me: SSN LFBC SSR FMD
    GFY

    M.O.U.S.E.

    And go Cheney yourself.

  25. avatar
    Spell Me October 8, 2012 at 1:20 am #

    Misha’s Obama’s bitch. Ob v.

  26. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG October 8, 2012 at 1:30 am #

    Spell Me:
    Misha’s Obama’s bitch. Ob v.

    Whats wrong? Did you run out of brain cells before you could finish the insult?

  27. avatar
    bovril October 8, 2012 at 5:34 am #

    Them Nyquill and peyote smothies get ’em everytime Andrew…… 😎

  28. avatar
    misha marinsky October 8, 2012 at 6:55 am #

    Spell Me: Misha’s Obama’s bitch. Ob v.

    It’s called lithium. Look into it.

  29. avatar
    donna October 15, 2012 at 10:37 am #

    Private Investigator Susan Daniels Official Response To
    Ohio Prosecutor About Obama’s Connecticut Social Security Number

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/10/private-investigator-responds-to-ohio.html

  30. avatar
    CarlOrcas October 15, 2012 at 10:58 am #

    donna:
    Private Investigator Susan Daniels Official Response To
    Ohio Prosecutor About Obama’s Connecticut Social Security Number

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/10/private-investigator-responds-to-ohio.html

    So, donna, how do you think Obama has managed to use a fraudulent number for so many years without the IRS or Social Security or any other agency noting the problem? It’s been my experience that if you report withholding using an incorrect number you get a notice. Others have noted that if you put the wrong number on a tax return it gets kicked back.

    So, ignoring the conflict between the number of years since it was issued and the time Daniels says Obama has used it, how do you explain this apparent lack of official notice?

    If true it all started long before Obama was in the public eye. Do you think the IRS, SS, etc., have been in on the conspiracy since the very beginning?

  31. avatar
    donna October 15, 2012 at 11:20 am #

    CarlOrcas:

    have you READ what the REPUBLICAN prosecutor wrote to daniels?

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/109126488/Ohio-Prosecutor-David-Joyce-Responds-to-P-I-Susan-Daniels-About-Obama-s-Connecticut-Social-Security-Number-10-5-2012

    have you followed ANY of the lawsuits which raised the bogus SSN assertion? perhaps you should purchase the ditz’s DVD

    from the ditz’s website (emphasis mine):

    “DVD of the HISTORIC TRIAL in GA (SHE LOST) and DVD of a HISTORIC TESTIMONY in NH (SHE LOST), where EVIDENCE WAS PROVIDED showing Obama using a forged birth certificate and a STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.”

  32. avatar
    sfjeff October 15, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

    donna: Private Investigator Susan Daniels Official Response ToOhio Prosecutor About Obama’s Connecticut Social Security Numberhttp://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/10/private-investigator-responds-to-ohio.html

    Thanks for that link Donna- love seeing these glimpses into the paranoid little minds of Birthers:

    Note- in the middle of the tirade about how Obama must be a fraud because the social security number must have been issued to someone else in Conneticutt- the wierd mention about the name used by his family in Indonesia as a child…

    * Barack Obama has fraudulently obtained, used and continues to use unlawfully a social security number which misleads the public and, per se, government officials;

    * Barack Obama, under oath, swore on Illinois law license registration that he never used any other names; however, he was enrolled in school as a child in Indonesia as “Barry Soetoro;”

    * The improper social security number appeared on his Massachusetts driver’s license, his Internal Revenue filing and Selective Service Verification;

    Birthers….

  33. avatar
    CarlOrcas October 15, 2012 at 2:34 pm #

    donna:
    CarlOrcas:

    have you READ what the REPUBLICAN prosecutor wrote to daniels?

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/109126488/Ohio-Prosecutor-David-Joyce-Responds-to-P-I-Susan-Daniels-About-Obama-s-Connecticut-Social-Security-Number-10-5-2012

    have you followed ANY of the lawsuits which raised the bogus SSN assertion? perhaps you should purchase the ditz’s DVD

    from the ditz’s website (emphasis mine):

    “DVD of the HISTORIC TRIAL in GA (SHE LOST) and DVD of a HISTORIC TESTIMONY in NH (SHE LOST), where EVIDENCE WAS PROVIDED showing Obama using a forged birth certificate and a STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.”

    Yes, donna, I have READ what the REPUBLICAN prosecutor wrote. Doc included it at the beginning of the thread. Looks pretty STRAIGHTFORWARD to ME: Daniel’s claims are nonsense.

  34. avatar
    Wile October 15, 2012 at 3:04 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Daniel’s claims are nonsense.

    I think it’s safe to say that donna would agree with you.

    Why the antagonism, Carl?

  35. avatar
    CarlOrcas October 15, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

    Wile: I think it’s safe to say that donna would agree with you.

    Why the antagonism, Carl?

    It appears we have both misunderstood each other. It seemed as though she was supporting Daniel’s assertions.

  36. avatar
    LW October 15, 2012 at 3:39 pm #

    So Daniels’ claim appears to rest on the idea that there is no way anyone could ever make any kind of typographical error in a document (in this case, in the writing or misreading of a ZIP code in an application).

    Therefore, any typographical error in a document is not in fact innocent, but a strong indicator of fraud, of intent to mislead.

    Or, as she puts it:

    “The core of the matter is that Barack Obama is using a social security number that has not cannot have properly been issued to him and that he has, therefore, been fraudulently representing his identity.”

    And, as she says, there is no need even to prove this beyond “a reasonable doubt.” Anyone who makes a typographical error is guilty, pure and simple.

  37. avatar
    donna October 15, 2012 at 3:58 pm #

    CarlOrcas:

    HARDLY!!!!!

    i read what she said in canada which conflicts with what she is saying about the US & SSNs

    and i remember her, wayyyyy back, on wing nutzz daily “swearing on her reputation” that americans can’t get another SSN

    just a 10 second search on their website and i found that, for one, people who have experienced identity theft are given new SSNs

    i really can’t imagine why, after receiving that response from the prosecutor, that she is confronting him again?

    his letter was quite clear

  38. avatar
    CarlOrcas October 15, 2012 at 7:03 pm #

    donna: really can’t imagine why, after receiving that response from the prosecutor, that she is confronting him again?

    Short answer: She’s nuts.

  39. avatar
    Keith October 15, 2012 at 10:57 pm #

    Have you read what Daniels wrote to the Prosecutor?

    Her very first ‘reason’ is blatantly inaccurate. False. A prevarication. A LIE.

    * Barack Obama has used a social security number, 042-yyy-zzzz, exclusively reserved for residents of Connecticut

    There is absolutely no truth that any number is ‘exclusively’ reserved for the residents of ANY state. Never has been and is not now. The ranges were organized in for SS Office administration purposes only. Had Obama been using a SSN that was not his, and filing his taxes using his name (and we know he did) and someone else’s SSN the SSA would have caught him inside of 25 days, let alone 25 years.

    Susan Daniels has been spreading this caca on this for long enough to KNOW beyond any doubt what-so-ever that that is the case. If she were to make that remark in court, under oath, she would be perjuring herself.

    Susan Daniels is a liar, pure and simple.

    No only but also, she used the Social Security computer systems illegally.

    donna: have you READ what the REPUBLICAN prosecutor wrote to daniels?