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Helpful Obot advice rebuffed on Orly’s blog

Helpful ObotNone of my helpful comments get past moderation on Orly Taitz’s web site, but one from “Magpie” got promoted to an article [link to Taitz web site]. Here’s the helpful Obot comment:

So, is Greg Black [sponsoring attorney in Indiana] going to do everything necessary that needs to be done in Indiana so that you can get the court in Arizona to enforce your “party invites”?

There will be additional work that he will have to perform himself if you’re going to have any chance of prevailing in Arizona.

Do you have an attorney lined up in Arizona since you aren’t licensed to practice there?

So many things you have to do and so little time.

What is most delightful is watching you work your big fat ass off and then finding out that all of that work was for naught.

It is going to be real entertaining when the case is taken away from Judge Reid since she apparently wanted the carnival to come to town.

Magpie

Taitz replies, “I do not need to be an Arizona attorney, I can file a motion to compel subpoena pro se.”

Well who would you trust: a snarky, pseudonymous Obot, or comma-splicing attorney Orly Taitz? Right—the Obot. I took me about 10 minutes to find out that according to the Arizona Rules of Civil Procedure 30(h) as described in one paper on out-of-state process for California attorneys:

Local Counsel Still Required

A fourth category of states, including Arizona and New Jersey, still require the California attorney to retain local counsel and file an entirely new action (usually a miscellaneous action) in the state where the deponent resides before the court will issue a subpoena.

Preparing for the UIDDA’s New Rules for Foreign Depositions
Los Angeles Lawyer, December 2008

Orly’s timing is unfortunate. Ariz. R. Civ. P. 30(h) is being deleted as of January 1, 2013. Under the new Rule 45, local counsel is not required, but there are specific new requirements for the foreign subpoena that are not met by the version Taitz obtained from Superior Court in Marion County, Indiana.

Increasingly-paranoid-acting Taitz considers this valid and helpful advice an attempt at intimidation, and asks her commenters to track down the Internet address of commenter Magpie. It’s not an IP address anyone has ever used to comment on this site, and if it had been, I wouldn’t identify who it was without a valid subpoena.

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16 Responses to Helpful Obot advice rebuffed on Orly’s blog

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    Thinker October 14, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    IANAL, but I’m not sure that this rule applies in this instance since Taitz is a plaintiff in the Indiana action. I know she received PHV admission from Judge Reid, but she is still a plaintiff and the complaint says that each of the defendants is filing pro se. It’s possible that she is allowed to file a motion to compel in Arizona pro se in her capacity as a plaintiff in the Indiana case. Perhaps one of the lawyers could clarify this.

    This, of course, has no bearing on the fact that Taitz–in her capacity as an incompetent moron–will never be able to figure out the process to compel an out-of-state witness to testify. This also has no bearing on the fact that neither Arpaio nor his jock-sniffing acolyte Zullo have anything even remotely resembling admissible evidence or testimony.

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    donna October 14, 2012 at 8:41 pm #

    Thinker: his also has no bearing on the fact that neither Arpaio nor his jock-sniffing acolyte Zullo have anything even remotely resembling admissible evidence or testimony.

    orly to arpaio/zullo

    You are not asked to testify to something that is a secret, you are asked to authenticate in court before Judge Reid what you already stated publicly in press conferences. If you do not respond and agree to testify, I will have no other choice, but to file as early as tomorrow, October 15th an emergency miscellaneous case in Phoenix AZ and seek an order from Arizona judge to compel you to comply with the out of state subpoena and testify on October 22nd at trial in Indianapolis.

    http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/in-orly-v-election-commission-zulloarpaio/

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    Graham Shevlin October 14, 2012 at 8:47 pm #

    Trying to track IP addresses of commenters? How classy. What a nice piece of work Ms. Taitz is.

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    Dr. Conspiracy October 14, 2012 at 9:54 pm #

    No. This is not possible. Under current Arizona rules she must appear before the court to make a motion, and she cannot appear unless she is admitted to practice in Arizona. Pro se will not cut it. The articles I read are clear on this point and in the change effected by the adoption of the UIDDA, The 2013 rule in Arizona has specific language to say that getting a local subpoena is not appearing before the court.

    I suppose she might try to be admitted PHV in Arizona, but that STILL requires her to have local sponsoring counsel.

    Thinker: IANAL, but I’m not sure that this rule applies in this instance since Taitz is a plaintiff in the Indiana action. I know she received PHV admission from Judge Reid, but she is still a plaintiff and the complaint says that each of the defendants is filing pro se. It’s possible that she is allowed to file a motion to compel in Arizona pro se in her capacity as a plaintiff in the Indiana case. Perhaps one of the lawyers could clarify this.

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    Dr. Conspiracy October 14, 2012 at 9:56 pm #

    Ah, it looks like she read my unpublished comment on her blog about Rule 30(h), or perhaps this article.

    donna: I will have no other choice, but to file as early as tomorrow, October 15th an emergency miscellaneous case in Phoenix AZ and seek an order from Arizona judge to compel you to comply with the out of state subpoena and testify on October 22nd at trial in Indianapolis.

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    GeorgetownJD October 14, 2012 at 10:17 pm #

    Debating whether Orly can pursue a miscellaneous action pro se or whether she must engage local counsel is sort of like debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. In the end it is a rhetorical exercise, because Rule 30(h) is means ONLY for obtaining a subpoena to TAKE DISCOVERY IN ARIZONA (i.e., take a deposition) for use in an out-of-state civil proceeding. There is no provision, by rule or statute or otherwise, that allows an Arizonan to be hailed into the court of another state to give live testimony.

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    ObiWanCannoli October 14, 2012 at 11:42 pm #

    How reliable is the IP address in identifying someone!! At best, one may figure out the ISP and perhaps the city where the number was used. But beyond that, a subpoena is needed to get the name/address of the user. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Obots engaging Orly use a VPN or proxy service to cloak their original IP number. Then even with a subpoena, it will be impossible to trace some of the tunneled connections because they will undoubtedly come from other countries. In the meantime, she and her FMs will find an innocent person and mistakenly blast his/her name on the blog.

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    JPotter October 15, 2012 at 12:00 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: She’s done it several times.

    Why defend against the ideas when you can attack the person instead? And goad your flying monkeys into doing the work for you?

    Who was it that said you can take the girl out of the Soviet Union, but not v/v? 😉

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    Dr. Conspiracy October 15, 2012 at 2:30 am #

    I also think that conspiracy theorists think that knowing the identity of the conspirators gives them some kind of power over them (it’s what the conspirators most fear), as well as maybe the superstitious belief that knowing a demon’s name gives one power over it.

    Me, I never cared who the birthers are, except Polarik since he claimed specific expertise, and knowing who he was was tied to verifying his lack of expertise.

    JPotter: Why defend against the ideas when you can attack the person instead?

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    bovril October 15, 2012 at 2:50 am #

    Oh my purported IP and alleged personal details were published by “John Charlton”of the Piss and Fail years ago.

    Of course they bore little attachment to reality but what the hell…..

    I was labelled a Hitlerian Ebil Obot Brown Shirt, a tag I embrace with honor to this day.

    You ain’t a player until the cretins attempt to out and harass you…..8-)

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    The Magic M October 15, 2012 at 6:08 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: as well as maybe the superstitious belief that knowing a demon’s name gives one power over it

    Quoth the birther: “Barî Barack Malik Hussein Shabazz Obama Davis Soetoro Soebarkah”

    q.e.d. 😉

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG October 15, 2012 at 9:40 am #

    Every Obot in the country needs to post on her blog, giving her helpful hints like “Whatever you do, DON’T have yourself committed!” The problem will take care of itself. Lol.

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    Bob October 15, 2012 at 10:43 am #

    Orly is distracting herself from the train wreck that is her ballot challenge jihad with her blogging. Today, Orly posted her second most pathetic thread ever:

    “Three cheers for you, Orly! NO, make it three thousand!”

    The first was ‘I WON I WON I WON.”

    I’ve made lots of comments on Orly’s blog. I always use different names and different email addresses. At first, I tried making genuinely helpful comments but they never got through. Now, the comments I make are either out-and-out insults or ridiculous compliments and words of encouragement using silly names like “Bertha Venation.” I have about a 30% success rate of having them go through.

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    BillTheCat October 15, 2012 at 2:24 pm #

    Aside from her inability to find out who actually comments on her site via IP addresses, last I checked it’s not a crime to say mean things on an internet blog, subpoena or not. So GL with that Lena!

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG October 15, 2012 at 4:05 pm #

    Bob:
    Orly is distracting herself from the train wreck that is her ballot challenge jihad with her blogging.Today, Orly posted her second most pathetic thread ever:

    “Three cheers for you, Orly!NO, make it three thousand!”

    The first was ‘I WON I WON I WON.”

    I’ve made lots of comments on Orly’s blog.I always use different names and different email addresses.At first, I tried making genuinely helpful comments but they never got through.Now, the comments I make are either out-and-out insults or ridiculous compliments and words of encouragement using silly names like “Bertha Venation.”I have about a 30% success rate of having them go through.

    I do that to sometimes, just to f with her head. I once got her so riled, that she tracked down my IP, address, phone number, and gave me a call. She couldn’t wrap her head around why I was laughing so hard. I guess she was expecting me to be scared or something.