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Waiting for Grinols

The Fogbow is down, suggesting to me that I and everybody else is trying to get some news about the hearing results in Grinols v. Electoral College. The hearing should have been over about 45 minutes ago, but it is not unusual for an Orly Taitz case to go beyond the allotted time.

First results from the Fogbow:

TRO denied. Written order to follow.
No dismissal. No sanctions.
Sad Orly. Testy judge.

From The Tribune:

England said the case is unlikely to succeed, that the plaintiffs lacked standing and they failed to submit legal documents on time.

From the Sacramento Bee:

"Your argument, it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever," the judge told her at one point.

From the Honolulu Star-Advertiser:

England rejected Taitz’s pleas to allow a man from Florida to testify about what she said are inconsistencies in the typeface on the birth certificate Obama released, which she said would "prove beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt that the documents are forgeries."

The Fogbow Boots on the Ground thread.

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  1. avatar
    jtmunkus January 3, 2013 at 6:45 pm #

    realist (via text): “Nuttin on the hearing…Nothing on PACER. Was not the chat. Was too many people trying to login at the same time. Servers would not even reboot. He upped his service level and it’s being worked on. Should be up before too long”

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    Rickey January 3, 2013 at 6:54 pm #

    Fogbow is back up, at least for the moment.

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    Rickey January 3, 2013 at 6:58 pm #

    The word that I am seeing is that the TRO was denied. “Sad Orly, testy judge.”

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    BatGuano January 3, 2013 at 7:06 pm #

    Rickey:
    The word that I am seeing is that the TRO was denied. “Sad Orly, testy judge.”

    did irey get any time?

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    Andy January 3, 2013 at 7:08 pm #

    From Bob at Orly’s World:

    MINUTES (Text Only) for proceedings held before Chief Judge Morrison C. England, Jr.: After hearing argument from counsel the Court denied Plaintiffs’ Motion for Temporary Restraining Order 12 . A formal, written order will be issued shortly and will be the controlling ruling on Plaintiffs’ Motion. Plaintiffs’ Counsel present: Orly Taitz. Defendants’ Counsel present: Edward Olsen and George Waters. Court Reporter: Kelly O’Halloran. Interpreter none present. (Deutsch, S) (Entered: 01/03/2013)

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    Group Think January 3, 2013 at 7:26 pm #

    The masses of poorly informed citizens are again being conned by tricky anti American fools.

    Can anyone explain the steps that Mao, Chavez, Castro, Stalin, Chauchesku, Gadaffi, Hitler, used to soft overthrow governments? If not then take a gander of how the uninformed masses have shot themselves in the rear end again. The Founding Fathers made every attempt to prevent an illegal alien from becoming the Commander in Chief of the U.S.A. The video explains how the usurper defrauded Americans from their RIGHT to have a legitimate president. Tough luck America, the worst is yet to come … think Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, Iran etc.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mVh75ylAUXY

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    Rickey January 3, 2013 at 7:27 pm #

    No witnesses were allowed to testify. Per Kate at The Fogbow:

    O:But I flew them in at great expense…
    J:Ma’am, as I wrote (in an email? an order? not sure) last night, no witnesses allowed.
    O:But..but..but..screech
    J:I told you last night.

    BOTG thread at The Fogbow here:

    http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=8798&p=460745#p460745

  8. avatar
    BillTheCat January 3, 2013 at 7:28 pm #

    YAWWWWN.

    Oh, and your side lost, again.

    Group Think:
    The masses of poorly informed citizens are again being conned by tricky anti Americanfools.

    Can anyone explain the steps that Mao, Chavez, Castro, Stalin, Chauchesku, Gadaffi, Hitler, used to soft overthrow governments?If not then take a gander of how the uninformed masses have shot themselves in the rear end again.The Founding Fathers made every attempt to prevent an illegal alien from becoming the Commander in Chief of the U.S.A.The video explains how the usurper defrauded Americans from their RIGHT to have a legitimate president.Tough luck America, the worst is yet to come … think Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, Iran etc.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mVh75ylAUXY

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    Rickey January 3, 2013 at 7:29 pm #

    Group Think:
    The masses of poorly informed citizens are again being conned by tricky anti American fools.

    Agreed. It is very sad that so many people have swallowed the birther line.

  10. avatar
    DaveH January 3, 2013 at 7:36 pm #

    No one is really enterested in your delusions. Maybe you haven’t noticed?

    Group Think:
    The masses of poorly informed citizens are again being conned by tricky anti Americanfools.

    Can anyone explain the steps that Mao, Chavez, Castro, Stalin, Chauchesku, Gadaffi, Hitler, used to soft overthrow governments?If not then take a gander of how the uninformed masses have shot themselves in the rear end again.The Founding Fathers made every attempt to prevent an illegal alien from becoming the Commander in Chief of the U.S.A.The video explains how the usurper defrauded Americans from their RIGHT to have a legitimate president.Tough luck America, the worst is yet to come … think Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, Iran etc.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mVh75ylAUXY

  11. avatar
    Arthur January 3, 2013 at 7:37 pm #

    Group Think: The masses of poorly informed citizens . . .

    Physician, heal thyself.

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    Scientist January 3, 2013 at 7:48 pm #

    Group Think: Can anyone explain the steps that Mao, Chavez, Castro, Stalin, Chauchesku, Gadaffi, Hitler, used to soft overthrow governments?

    Chavez, Stalin and Hitler didn’t overthrow governments.

    Get things straight, pal.

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    Majority Will January 3, 2013 at 7:59 pm #

    Scientist: Chavez, Stalin and Hitler didn’t overthrow governments.

    Get things straight, pal.

    The incredible stupidity of these small minded bigots would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

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    aesthetocyst January 3, 2013 at 8:21 pm #

    Group Think: etc.

    A self-monikered ‘Groupthink’ … is led astray by groupthink … and begins to see groupthink everywhere.

    Poor Groupthink. I can help you find the groupthink. Have you checked between your ears? No, behind your eyeballs. You may have to pop’em out for a clear look.

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    sfjeff January 3, 2013 at 8:32 pm #

    Group Think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mVh75ylAUXY

    There must be- there absolutely must be some Godwin’s or Darwin’s law equivelent that says that whenever anyone posts a Youtube video to support their argument that they are idiots who know actual written words can be analized but a Youtube video screeching is the medium for idiots who can’t read.

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    donna January 3, 2013 at 9:07 pm #

    Judge rejects birther challenge to electoral count

    In a courtroom packed with supporters of the birther movement, U.S. District Court Judge Morrison C. England rejected the petition for a temporary restraining order filed by Orly Taitz, a California dentist and attorney who has lost challenges in several states seeking to prove that Obama is not a U.S. citizen.

    The judge said the petition did not meet the basic requirements for a restraining order, including that attorneys prove their case is likely to succeed at a trial, and said the plaintiffs lacked standing, failed to submit legal documents on time and had made unsupported claims.

    “The state of Hawaii has already certified all of this to be not true,” the judge said.

    Thursday’s unusual, hourlong hearing drew about 60 supporters of the birther movement and about 20 legal observers. Taitz frequently sparred with England, raising her voice loudly as the judge questioned her claims and at times cut her off.

    England rejected Taitz’s pleas to allow a man from Florida to testify about what she said are inconsistencies in the typeface on the birth certificate Obama released, which she said would “prove beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt that the documents are forgeries.”

    The judge said he had only approved oral arguments during a “courtesy hearing,” which was not legally required, to “show that this court would look at the arguments presented.”

    The motion cited three would-be candidates for president who claimed they would be harmed if Congress counted the Electoral College votes taken in December, but Assistant U.S. Attorney Edward Olsen said none of the candidates could show they were on the ballot in any state. One is serving a federal prison sentence, he said.

    “Even if this is all true in their wildest hopes … they haven’t presented any evidence to show that he is not a natural born citizen,” Olsen added.

    Taitz appeared to be upset after the hearing as supporters filed past her to thank her for pursuing the case, some calling her a “hero,” and others saying the judge’s decision was evidence of socialism.

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Judge-rejects-birther-challenge-to-electoral-count-4165794.php#ixzz2Gy7ltZ7m

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    aesthetocyst January 3, 2013 at 9:10 pm #

    Nothing posted by Orly yet, of course. Whatever the news, she’ll need sometime to spin it. unless she is really peeved and fires off one of those kneejerk “THEY ALL HATE ME” rants.

    She does however have some comments on her frontpage, flying monkeys throwing WND under the bus for not covering Orly. Really? Did the WWF ever mention Ric Flair back in the 80s, or the WCW mention Hulk Hogan? Puh-leze, this is Hucksterism 101. Competing promotions do not exist.

    I left this comment. I am sure it will appear any second now ;)

    WND work with Orly? LOL! You must be joking. There are many strains of birferism, and WND tailors their birfer product to script. Orly is an alien outsider to the WND stable. It’s obvious she wouldn’t stick to a script. Their Arpaio initiative was a scripted promotion designed to produce mutual benefit … to fans the flames of The Faithful among the WND crowd, and to keep Arpaio voters distracted from his multiple problems. Now that his election is over, *BOOM*, done, not a peep.

    WND rightly sees Taitz as a threat to their product. Taitz actually believes in birferism. WND is using it to manipulate their audience, to keep them hooked. They are very much counting on keeping this storyline alive until 2017. Plenty of time to gin up a new manufactured crisis by then, and a wide-open Presidential election will offer plenty of opportunity for doing so. Taitz is crazy enough to believe in an end, WND is only interested in the means.

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    aesthetocyst January 3, 2013 at 9:10 pm #

    donna: Judge rejects birther challenge to electoral count

    Nice! Thanks for the report, Donna.

    England rejected Taitz’s pleas to allow a man from Florida to testify about what she said are inconsistencies in the typeface ….

    Heh, poor, poor Irey. Made the trip for nothing. If only he had been hired by an attorney who operated on reality, his time need not have been wasted.

    …others saying the judge’s decision was evidence of socialism.

    *sigh* Is it really asking so much to expect these people to get their -isms straight?!? Fascism, people, fascism!

  19. avatar
    Majority Will January 3, 2013 at 9:29 pm #

    “The state of Hawaii has already certified all of this to be not true,” the judge said.

    OUCH!

    It must suck to be a small minded birther bigot.

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    misha marinsky January 3, 2013 at 9:33 pm #

    Group Think: Can anyone explain the steps that…Castro…used to soft overthrow governments?

    Castro overthrew Batista with the help of the US. The US withdrew support for Batista, because of his rampant corruption, greed and brutality.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98921086

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    donna January 3, 2013 at 9:47 pm #

    “What we’re doing here is the right thing,” Taitz said during the hearing at Sacramento’s downtown federal courthouse. “It’s stopping treason.

    “We are looking for one honest judge who will look at the case on its merits.”

    In an argument that England noted Taitz has pursued 13 previous times in court, she sought to present evidence that the president’s birth certificate is a forgery.

    “It’s a joke,” she told the judge. “It’s not even a good forgery.”

    She added that the president is using a stolen Social Security number, that Obama may not really be his last name and that, basically, he is has no right to serve, “not (as) president, not a janitor in the office of president.”

    Taitz spent much of the hearing arguing over that point and the audience became restless, with one man wearing a gray blazer and blue jeans eventually standing up in the front row as if to offer his own argument.

    “Sit down,” England sternly ordered.

    He did, and a court security officer moved closer to him.

    “Why do you keep filing these lawsuits when they keep getting rejected?” England asked at one point.

    Taitz responded by comparing herself to Thurgood Marshall and his persistence in filing suits to fight segregation. She explained that one of the plaintiffs is a Republican elector for Romney, who came in second to Obama in November.

    “But second,” England countered. “What part of second don’t you understand?”

    Finally, the judge rejected the request for a restraining order, saying Taitz had no hope of prevailing anywhere.

    “There is absolutely no way that this case will survive the challenge it faces,” he said.

    Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/01/03/5091099/orly-taitzs-obama-birther-claims.html#storylink=cpy

    love it …………. “What part of second don’t you understand?” HYSTERICAL

  22. avatar
    G January 3, 2013 at 9:50 pm #

    Good analogies…

    aesthetocyst:
    Nothing posted by Orly yet, of course. Whatever the news, she’ll need sometime to spin it. unless she is really peeved and fires off one of those kneejerk “THEY ALL HATE ME” rants.

    She does however have some comments on her frontpage, flying monkeys throwing WND under the bus for not covering Orly. Really? Did the WWF ever mention Ric Flair back in the 80s, or the WCW mention Hulk Hogan? Puh-leze, this is Hucksterism 101. Competing promotions do not exist.

    I left this comment. I am sure it will appear any second now

    WND work with Orly? LOL! You must be joking. There are many strains of birferism, and WND tailors their birfer product to script. Orly is an alien outsider to the WND stable. It’s obvious she wouldn’t stick to a script. Their Arpaio initiative was a scripted promotion designed to produce mutual benefit … to fans the flames of The Faithful among the WND crowd, and to keep Arpaio voters distracted from his multiple problems. Now that his election is over, *BOOM*, done, not a peep. WND rightly sees Taitz as a threat to their product. Taitz actually believes in birferism. WND is using it to manipulate their audience, to keep them hooked. They are very much counting on keeping this storyline alive until 2017. Plenty of time to gin up a new manufactured crisis by then, and a wide-open Presidential election will offer plenty of opportunity for doing so. Taitz is crazy enough to believe in an end, WND is only interested in the means.

  23. avatar
    G January 3, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

    LMAO!!!

    I enjoyed his “Why do you keep filing these lawsuits when they keep getting rejected?” England asked at one point. statement as well…

    donna: love it …………. “What part of second don’t you understand?” HYSTERICAL

  24. avatar
    Dave January 3, 2013 at 10:46 pm #

    The reaction at ORYR is as entertaining as you would expect. I particularly liked a comment by OMUSTGO who says in part: “AMERICA HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN OVERTHROWN BY THE LIBERAL COMMIES AND THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE HER NOW IS EITHER A MASSIVE MULTI-MILLION PERSON CAMPOUT PROTEST OR ANOTHER REVOLUTION, THAT SIMPLE. ”

    I’d go with the protest. Birther protests are the best. And we haven’t had one in years.

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    Majority Will January 3, 2013 at 10:54 pm #

    Dave:
    The reaction at ORYR is as entertaining as you would expect. I particularly liked a comment by OMUSTGO who says in part: “AMERICA HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN OVERTHROWN BY THE LIBERAL COMMIES AND THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE HER NOW IS EITHER A MASSIVE MULTI-MILLION PERSON CAMPOUT PROTEST OR ANOTHER REVOLUTION, THAT SIMPLE. ”

    I’d go with the protest. Birther protests are the best. And we haven’t had one in years.

    Noting the gravity of it all, they could take turns running around each other in circles. They’ll have their revolutions at least until they start puking on their shoes.

  26. avatar
    G January 3, 2013 at 11:11 pm #

    The biggest group of “ANY.DAY.NOW” stuck-in-neutral sorry losers I’ve ever seen!

    So few of them can ever do anything more than kvetch on their crusty keyboards…

    …so we’ll never see a large gathering of these hapless angry twits. They just don’t do well in the REAL world at all…

    Majority Will: Noting the gravity of it all, they could take turns running around each other in circles.They’ll have their revolutions at least until they start puking on their shoes.

  27. avatar
    bgansel9 January 4, 2013 at 12:19 am #

    “Your argument, it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever,” the judge told her at one point.

    No Sh…….!

  28. avatar
    Horus January 4, 2013 at 1:04 am #

    Group Think:
    The masses of poorly informed citizens are again being conned by tricky anti Americanfools.

    Can anyone explain the steps that Mao, Chavez, Castro, Stalin, Chauchesku, Gadaffi, Hitler, used to soft overthrow governments?

    Chauchesku?

    What kind of a moron are you?
    It was Ceausescu, got it?

  29. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny January 4, 2013 at 8:50 am #

    Horus: Chauchesku?

    What kind of a moron are you?
    It was Ceausescu, got it?

    And Orly Taitz should know, as his signature is probably on one of the papers she used to get her dentist’s diploma.

  30. avatar
    donna January 4, 2013 at 9:33 am #

    no comment yet on the ditz’s website?

    how will she spin yet another LOSS?

    from mcclatchy

    ‘Birther queen’ Orly Taitz knows the drill, but she keeps trying to oust Obama

    Nothing succeeds like persistence – unless you’re Orly Taitz.

    Her appearance was part of a last-minute bid to stop the counting of electoral college votes in Washington, D.C., that will pave the way for the president’s second inauguration Jan. 21.

    She failed. Again.

    But the hearing before U.S. District Judge Morrison C. England Jr. was hardly routine.

    She ran into a brick wall with England. The judge sparred with her for more than an hour as the hearing played out in a courtroom overflowing with spectators, many of them clearly not Obama supporters.

    The arguments have been explored and debunked for years, but a hard-core group of believers continue to raise them.

    Taitz sought to introduce evidence from witnesses about the font size of the type on the president’s birth certificate, as well as from an investigation launched by Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona’s Maricopa County.

    Finally, the judge rejected the request for a restraining order, saying Taitz had no hope of prevailing anywhere.

    The reaction from courtroom watchers was unmistakable. “Mockery,” one man shouted as he stormed out, followed by another who was holding his nose.

    Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/01/04/178993/birther-queen-orly-taitz-knows.html#storylink=cpy

  31. avatar
    Rickey January 4, 2013 at 11:10 am #

    donna:

    The reaction from courtroom watchers was unmistakable. “Mockery,” one man shouted as he stormed out, followed by another who was holding his nose.

    The interesting thing is that Orly’s flying monkeys actually believed that a different result was possible.

    I’ve been known to back a long shot or two, but when I do I’m never surprised if I lose.

  32. avatar
    donna January 4, 2013 at 11:31 am #

    Rickey:

    have you read the comments from her followers?

    clearly they represent those from an alternate universe or perhaps newt’s moon colonies

    she has still not commented on yesterday’s loss ……. astonishing

    why do ANY of them believe “today will be the day”?

    taitz even had the cojones to say to judge england “We are looking for one honest judge who will look at the case on its merits.”

    as a member of the court (supposedly), does she not know that they are all in a club and protect their own like doctors, law enforcement, teachers, etc?

    parents can refer to their own kids as “brats” but don’t YOU dare refer to them that way

    for as many times as the birther scorecard is referenced, it doesn’t seem to register with the uneducable

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    aesthetocyst January 4, 2013 at 11:48 am #

    Rickey: I’ve been known to back a long shot or two, but when I do I’m never surprised if I lose.

    But you haven’t been fool enough to back a ‘no-shot’ have you? That’s takes a special kind of stupid, a complete lack of objectivity. The defenders of the Alamo were a long shot.

    Challenger Taitz is tilting at bulldozers, and the flying monkeys are expecting her to blow right through one. That’s a no-shot.

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    donna January 4, 2013 at 12:47 pm #

    ENFIN from orly:

    Judge England case: Emergency relief of the Temporary restraining order was not granted but the case goes on. Some of the statements by the judge are shocking, he de facto says that if one can steal a property with forged IDs and was not caught because nobody wanted to hear the case on the merits, then he can keep the stolen property scotts free forever!!!

    I had a problem with my flight, arrived late home after the hearing, did not sleep a night before and decided to wait till the morning to write a full report.

    Bottom line, the case goes on, but the emergency relief was not granted.

    US attorney stated at the hearing that there is no requirement for the US President to have a valid birth certificate and a valid selective service certificate and a valid Social Security number, that the U.S. Constitution does not state that the president is supposed to have valid papers.

    The judge nodded and told me, indeed the U.S. Constitution does not require the US President to have valid IDs.

    I responded to him that the U.S. Constitution does not require the President to have a pulse also. There is nothing in the U.S. constitution saying that the U.S. President is supposed to have any brain activity, however it is common sense to believe or at least hope that the U.S. President should have a pulse and a brain activity. Similarly the U.S. Constitution does not say that the birth certificate of the President should not be forged, however it is common sense to believe that if the President has to be a natural born citizen, he should have a valid birth certificate and not a computer generated forgery, that he would not be using a stolen Social Security number and a forged selective service certificate.

    she goes on with her now too familiar rantings and ends with

    It seems that during Obama regime the only ones who get protection from the law are the criminals, the law abiding citizens are completely deprived of all of their rights, the only thing they have to protect them, is ammo. Just a year or two ago, during the Arab Spring, when people of the Middle Eastern Countries realised that they have no civil rights in their corrupt regimes, they revolted and threw off their dictators, corrupt judges on the take, corrupt law enforcement on the take with the rest of the regime. Without an honest judiciary I am afraid this will be happenning in this country in the near future.

    I will request the audio tape and the transcript. I would appreciate donations to cover the cost of the transcript, travel and the cost of maitnaining these case and this fight. Previously I was quoted very high fee for the transcript. I am posting the pleadings and the article from the local press, which is skewed.

    Please, keep calling, faxing and writing the Supreme Court of the US, demand that Chief Justice John Roberts issue his ruling in Noonan et al v Obama asap

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=374178

    a comment from taitz: have you ever seen such idiocy? I wonder if someone is writing a complaint of judicial misconduct

    i wonder why she hasn’t been disbarred

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    Arthur January 4, 2013 at 1:04 pm #

    donna:

    The judge nodded and told me, indeed the U.S. Constitution does not require the US President to have valid IDs.

    I responded to him that the U.S. Constitution does not require the President to have a pulse also. There is nothing in the U.S. constitution saying that the U.S. President is supposed to have any brain activity, however it is common sense to believe or at least hope that the U.S. President should have a pulse and a brain activity.

    Clearly, Orly is misinformed when she says that the Constitution doesn’t require a president to have a pulse or brain activity. As the 25 Amendment points out:

    “Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.”

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    sfjeff January 4, 2013 at 1:26 pm #

    Dave: The reaction at ORYR is as entertaining as you would expect. I particularly liked a comment by OMUSTGO who says in part: “AMERICA HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN OVERTHROWN BY THE LIBERAL COMMIES AND THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE HER NOW IS EITHER A MASSIVE MULTI-MILLION PERSON CAMPOUT PROTEST OR ANOTHER REVOLUTION, THAT SIMPLE. ”

    January is a lovely time for a multi-million person campout.

    I recommend Chicago, since it is the President’s adopted home town.

    Not that I want anyone to come to harm but this might be the best method of ending the Birther madness.

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    Sef January 4, 2013 at 1:41 pm #

    Dave:
    The reaction at ORYR is as entertaining as you would expect. I particularly liked a comment by OMUSTGO who says in part: “AMERICA HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN OVERTHROWN BY THE LIBERAL COMMIES AND THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE HER NOW IS EITHER A MASSIVE MULTI-MILLION PERSON CAMPOUT PROTEST OR ANOTHER REVOLUTION, THAT SIMPLE. ”

    I’d go with the protest. Birther protests are the best. And we haven’t had one in years.

    I can see it all now. The Park Service provides them with just 1 porta-potty on the Mall.

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    Horus January 4, 2013 at 2:29 pm #

    Dave:
    The reaction at ORYR is as entertaining as you would expect. I particularly liked a comment by OMUSTGO who says in part: “AMERICA HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN OVERTHROWN BY THE LIBERAL COMMIES AND THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE HER NOW IS EITHER A MASSIVE MULTI-MILLION PERSON CAMPOUT PROTEST OR ANOTHER REVOLUTION, THAT SIMPLE. ”

    I’d go with the protest. Birther protests are the best. And we haven’t had one in years.

    I seriously doubt they could muster together 1,000 people, much less a million, even less multimillion!

  39. avatar
    LW January 4, 2013 at 3:02 pm #

    Andy: Interpreter none present.

    Too bad. Maybe if a Certified Birfer Whisperer were present, we could’ve gotten some clearer insights into just what’s rattling around in that head.

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    Keith January 4, 2013 at 6:39 pm #

    Sef: I can see it all now. The Park Service provides them with just 1 porta-potty on the Mall.

    Or maybe a surplus ammo can, a plastic liner, and one of the seats from a toilet in one of the Park Service’s closed parks?

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    gorefan January 4, 2013 at 6:48 pm #

    One of the fogbow members (Estiveo) who was at the hearing yesterday said,

    “He [Judge England] also pointed out that the ONLY credible piece of evidence before the court was the letter from Mr. Onaka confirming that the BC was real and true and conformed with the original held in the vault under control of the illuminati. So there.”

    http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=8693&start=1475

    Does anyone know which verification was submitted? Was it a new one?

  42. avatar
    Dave B. January 4, 2013 at 7:03 pm #

    Group Think: Can anyone explain the steps that Mao, Chavez, Castro, Stalin, Chauchesku, Gadaffi, Hitler, used to soft overthrow governments?

    How much thought went into compiling that list?

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 4, 2013 at 8:00 pm #

    That is a very interesting question. The only thing I can figure is that it was not submitted, but referenced, and that by Orly Taitz in her Reply to Opposition to the TRO here in the 16th page of:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/118339060/Grinols-et-al-v-electoral-college-et-al

    I’m not sure that all the exhibits are published either. ECF Document 12 has exhibits listed that aren’t attached, and not on the docket. The verification to MDEC might be in there. “Before the court” might also be a judicial notice of the verification from one of the government web sites that host it.

    gorefan: Does anyone know which verification was submitted? Was it a new one?

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    Dave January 4, 2013 at 8:26 pm #

    I think the record so far is about 50. So millions does seem ambitious.

    I had great hopes for last year’s Birther Summit. Their plan was to have, for each county of the US, a local person organizing the protesters and transportation to DC. Of course, had they just gotten one person from each county, they would’ve beat the previous record by a factor of 60. As it was, they had to cancel due to complete and utter lack of interest.

    Horus: I seriously doubt they could muster together 1,000 people, much less a million, even less multimillion!

  45. avatar
    Northland10 January 4, 2013 at 9:41 pm #

    gorefan:
    One of the fogbow members (Estiveo) who was at the hearing yesterday said,

    “He [Judge England] also pointed out that the ONLY credible piece of evidence before the court was the letter from Mr. Onaka confirming that the BC was real and true and conformed with the original held in the vault under control of the illuminati. So there.”

    Does anyone know which verification was submitted?Was it a new one?

    Esseff44 gives a good explanation here:

    http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=8693&start=1650#p461237

  46. avatar
    Saint James January 5, 2013 at 1:19 am #

    Dave: I’d go with the protest. Birther protests are the best. And we haven’t had one in years.

    Count me in…as long as they hand out quarter pounders from Jack in the Box and Slurpies from 7-11…yum yum yum

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    Paper January 5, 2013 at 2:56 am #

    I’ve always been a bit bored by Orly Taitz’s antics, but I did find this judge refreshing. I liked this line in particular:

    “As an attorney, you should be aware your representations mean nothing.”

    A line that can be used in oh so many instances.

  48. avatar
    bovril January 5, 2013 at 3:34 am #

    I believe and may be incorrect that the Phil Berg birferpalooza in DC did get about 100 attendees plus an awful lot of highly confused tourists

  49. avatar
    LW January 5, 2013 at 3:33 pm #

    This does seem to indicate that Grinols may be one of the most successful birfer meetups evah, as long as you don’t count the actual result.

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    Sef January 6, 2013 at 11:41 am #

    Aside from all the other reasons that we know this suit to be flawed there is another fatal reason which has been somewhat alluded to on TFB. Taitz had the entire Congress as defendants. At the time she filed her suit the existing Congress was the 112th. ALL HofR members terms ended at noon on Jan 3rd at which time the 113th was sworn in. The 113th is the one which counts the votes. It would have been impossible to timely serve the 113th members (as Congresscritters) and have the TRO hearing on the 3rd. The only people she could have had as defendants are the VP and those members of the Senate whose terms did not end on Jan 3. Not having ever taken a citizenship test, this was something Taitz could not possibly comprehend.

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    Sef January 6, 2013 at 2:37 pm #

    Sef:
    Aside from all the other reasons that we know this suit to be flawed there is another fatal reason which has been somewhat alluded to on TFB. Taitz had the entire Congress as defendants. At the time she filed her suit the existing Congress was the 112th. ALL HofR members terms ended at noon on Jan 3rd at which time the 113th was sworn in. The 113th is the one which counts the votes. It would have been impossible to timely serve the 113th members (as Congresscritters) and have the TRO hearing on the 3rd. The only people she could have had as defendants are the VP and those members of the Senate whose terms did not end on Jan 3. Not having ever taken a citizenship test, this was something Taitz could not possibly comprehend.

    This has been answered by Loh @TFB http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=8693&start=1800#p461921

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    aesthetocyst January 6, 2013 at 2:43 pm #

    Sef: Not having ever taken a citizenship test, this was something Taitz could not possibly comprehend.

    Try explaining to her that each Congress is a separate legal entity. Just imagine the conspiracy she would make of that!

  53. avatar
    Reality Check January 6, 2013 at 2:47 pm #

    Hermite can’t even figure out the simple “quote” function on this blog yet we are to believe he is a computer graphics expert? :lol:

  54. avatar
    Sef January 6, 2013 at 3:11 pm #

    Reality Check:
    Hermite can’t even figure out the simple “quote” function on this blog yet we are to believe he is a computer graphics expert?

    BTW, RC, gr8 shows this week.

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    Reality Check January 6, 2013 at 3:36 pm #

    Thank you. The show Thursday night w/o Bob and Estiveo reminded me of the old days when baseball announcers had to recreate road games by reading the Western Union ticker. The show we recorded later was a hoot.

    Sef: BTW, RC, gr8 shows this week.

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    Sef January 6, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

    Reality Check:
    The show Thursday night w/o Bob and Estiveo reminded me of the old days when baseball announcers had to recreate road games by reading the Western Union ticker.

    http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14095998

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    Arthur January 6, 2013 at 4:33 pm #

    Reality Check:
    Hermite can’t even figure out the simple “quote” function on this blog yet we are to believe he is a computer graphics expert?

    Moreover, when Herm first began posting here (I don’t know how many months ago), the process for using the quote function was explained to him. How strange that a birther would be unable (or unwilling) to learn!