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Over the past few days I’ve spent a lot of time reading comments at Orly’s web site. The main reason that I’m doing this is to try to get a general idea of the volume of comments of various types she receives.

So far, I have categorized about 20,000 of the 59,000 comments I skimmed from the site. There were a surprising 503 blog spams found so far.

What has been difficult is easily distinguishing between a real supportive comment and a mocking feigned supporting comment. There do seem to be some real “help me, Orly Taitz; you’re our only hope” ones among the comments. Some of them are rather poignant. I feel sorry for the folks who live in that dangerous conspiracy world where the powers that be are out to get them. Some offer Orly really stupid advice and those I think are fakes. Here’s a supportive comment, selected more or less at random”

Ms. Taitz, would it help to have as many names as possible of citizens who are behind you on this. A petition of sorts requesting the Supreme court hear you? This is the first time in my life I fear our government. It shouldn’t be this way. I am praying they will hear you on this. I never thought I would ever be praying for a removal of a president as much as this one. I believe he is the Trojan horse bringing us down from within. Good luck to you.

Orly certainly has a lot “patriotic” commenters:

  • 1776 Patriot
  • 2011Patriot
  • A Humble Christian Constitutional Patriot
  • A Patriot
  • A Patriotic 3rd Generation American
  • A Proud Patriot
  • A. Patriot
  • American Patriot
  • Americanm Patriot
  • AmericanPatriot
  • AnAmericanPatriot
  • Angry Patriot
  • Another patriot
  • Arizona Patriot
  • AZPatriot
  • Blu4sPatriot
  • Blue Force Patriot
  • Blue Force Patriots
  • Christian Patriot
  • ChristianPatriot
  • Citizen Patriot
  • Concerned American Patriot
  • Darkhorse Patriot
  • FaithPatriot
  • Fan of Patriotic Justice
  • FredPatriot100
  • FreePatriot
  • Georgia Patriot
  • Hard Work’n American Patriot
  • I. M. Patriot
  • Inquisitive Patriot
  • Iowa Paytriot
  • Lady patriot
  • Lady Patriot Natural Born Citizen
  • LadyPatriot Natural BornCitizen
  • LadyPatriotNaturalBornCitizen
  • MainePatriot
  • Minn Patriot
  • Miss Patriot
  • New Mexico Patriot
  • NewEnglandPatriot
  • Pat Patriot
  • Pat Riot
  • Patriot
  • Patriot Bob
  • Patriot Dreamer
  • Patriot in Maine
  • Patriot Informer
  • Patriot Network
  • Patriot Number 1
  • Patriot Number 11
  • Patriot Overseas
  • Patriot Truther
  • Patriot USA
  • Patriot35
  • PatriotBlue
  • PatriotCJT
  • PatriotForTheRepublic
  • Patriotgal
  • Patriotgoodguy
  • Patriotic American
  • PATRIOTIC AMERICAN FOR JESUS AND AMERICA
  • Patriotic Joe
  • Patriotic Observer
  • Patriotism
  • PatriotRider
  • Patriots are Stepping Up!
  • patriots post
  • PatriotUSA
  • patriotveteran9/11
  • PatriotWatchUSA
  • Patrisha Riot
  • Penny Patriot
  • Percy (A patriot)
  • PineapplePatriot
  • Pixel Patriot
  • Proud Patriot
  • Proud Patriot of Louisianna
  • Psychic Patriot
  • Questioner Patriot
  • Raillee Ima Patriot
  • Real American Patriot
  • Real Patriot
  • RebelPatriot
  • Reel Patriot
  • Super Patriot
  • Tea Party Patriot
  • Texan Patriot
  • The Last Patriot
  • Thomas/PatriotofPast
  • True Patriot
  • TrueBluePatriot
  • TruePatriot
  • TruePatriotHrt
  • U. S. Citizen and Unrelenting Patriot
  • UltraConservativeChristianPatriot+Veteran&CatLover
  • USA Patriot
  • usapatriot
  • USPatriotAF

Impersonation is always an issue. Did Scott J. Tepper really post a message on Orly’s Blog? Did Jerome Corsi really say “WHERE’S THE SUBPOENA?” in all caps? And how about “Bob”? How many people does that represent?

Something that I intend to study next is the web sites that commenters attach to their names. I think this will be a source of obscure birther and right-wing web sites. Impersonation again comes into play when one tries to tag a web site with a person. There are many comments on Orly’s site from Chito Papa, the birther image analyst who supplies affidavits for Orly. He has an non-typical site for a birther, linked in this comment.

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29 Responses to Browsing comments

  1. avatar
    Deborah March 9, 2013 at 1:55 am #

    This link below to the Scribd document requesting California Attorney Orly Taitz disbarrment may be somewhere on your site (which I follow regularly) but I have not seen it yet.

    Now, this document makes you pay attention! It seems clear to me that there is a “rebellion” going on by the States versus the Feds, similar to Mississippi Burning.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/15546236/Taitz-State-Bar-Complaint

    Here’s a conspiracy theory for you Doctor Conspiracy. California prisons are releasing sex-offenders from prison with ankle bracelets (which they are removing, and then fleeing) due to a Federal mandate to reduce the prison population in California. At the same time, the Federal Govt. (Obama, and even Bill Clinton very recently) are advocating on gay marriage rights. Do you suppose this release of sex-offenders into the community might be a rebellion by the state against the Federal government’s position on gay marriage, or just coincidence? Another coincidence being the Arpaio sex scandals…

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    Deborah March 9, 2013 at 4:21 am #

    Hello. I just realized the above Scribd link posted in my previous comment is a 2009 document. I apologize- I thought it was a recent event after the U.S. Supreme Court hearing on Feb. 19. No need to post my previous comment I suppose, or this one.

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 9, 2013 at 8:39 am #

    If that bar complaint were submitted today, it could be a lot longer.

    Deborah: Hello. I just realized the above Scribd link posted in my previous comment is a 2009 document.

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    Bob March 9, 2013 at 11:06 am #

    The Jerome Corsi WHERE’S THE SUBPOENA comment was mine.

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    Birther Weary March 9, 2013 at 12:00 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    If that bar complaint were submitted today, it could be a lot longer.

    If only there was a disciplinary organization in California to submit it to.

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    Stanislaw March 9, 2013 at 1:12 pm #

    Orly certainly has a lot “patriotic” commenters:

    They keep using that word. I do not think it means what they think it means.

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    Kiwiwriter March 9, 2013 at 3:35 pm #

    Amazing how many “patriots” there are who hate their nation’s form of government, political system, laws, and duly elected leadership.

    I think I heard these theories 150 years ago…the result was an unimaginably bloody Civil War with nearly half a million dead.

    I like the “Psychic Patriot.” Maybe he can tell me how this mess will all come out.

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    Rickey March 9, 2013 at 5:17 pm #

    Deborah:

    Here’s a conspiracy theory for you Doctor Conspiracy. California prisons are releasing sex-offenders from prison with ankle bracelets (which they are removing, and then fleeing) due to a Federal mandate to reduce the prison population in California. At the same time, the Federal Govt. (Obama, and even Bill Clinton very recently) are advocating on gay marriage rights. Do you suppose this release of sex-offenders into the community might be a rebellion by the state against the Federal government’s position on gay marriage, or just coincidence?

    That is one of the more nonsensical conspiracy theories which I have recently heard.

    For one thing, the premise is flawed. California is not releasing sex offenders in order to comply with Federal law regarding prison overcrowding. Any sex offender who is paroled in California would have been paroled regardless of Federal law. What has changed is the way that California treats parolees who violate the terms of their parole. Previously parole violators would be sent back to prison for a year; Now they are sent to county jails. Fewer parolees being sent back to prison helps to reduce the prison population.

    The idea that California would release sex offenders as a way to protest the Obama Adminstration’s position on gay marriage is ludicrous. Governor Brown is a supporter of gay marriage. A new Field Poll released last week shows that Californians support gay marriage, 59%-34%.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/02/poll-finds-big-increase-in-support-for-gay-marriage-in-california.html

    Not to mention that releasing sex offenders willy-nilly into the general population would be an insane way to protest anything.

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    Deborah March 9, 2013 at 7:25 pm #

    Rickey: Here is a quote from an article (link included below) that states California is responding to Federal orders.

    “The governor’s realignment law sends lower-level offenders to county jails instead of state prisons and was enacted in part to conform to a federal court order to reduce the inmate population.”

    Link to article: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/More-California-Sex-Offenders-Going-Missing-Under-New-Law-196205241.html

    Your point that the California Governor is in favor of gay marriage rights is well-taken, though. But considering that the birthers include Sheriffs, Colonels, Political Science Professors, and even attempts to pull local judges on-board, one has to wonder (as in the case of Mississipi Burning) just how far the states will go to rebel against the Feds.

    As for “if the Taitz disbarrment document was submitted today, it would include a lot more”…yes, including Taitz letter to the President of Israel!

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    Deborah March 9, 2013 at 7:35 pm #

    I tried to edit that comment, but not on time. The county jails are either unwilling or unable to comply with the Governor’s wishes to house offenders who remove their ankle bracelets. It may not be a deliberate rebellion but the birther issue provides insight into the fact that locals do in fact rebel against the Feds, and call it “patriotism.”

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    Deborah March 9, 2013 at 7:44 pm #

    Anyway it’s just a conspiracy theory. 🙂

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    Rickey March 10, 2013 at 1:42 am #

    Deborah:
    Rickey: Here is a quote from an article (link included below) that states California is responding to Federal orders.

    “The governor’s realignment law sends lower-level offenders to county jails instead of state prisons and was enacted in part to conform to a federal court order to reduce the inmate population.”

    Link to article: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/More-California-Sex-Offenders-Going-Missing-Under-New-Law-196205241.html

    You’re missing my point.

    California is not RELEASING sex offenders to comply with Federal rules about overcrowded prisons. California is trying to comply by sending parole violators to county jails instead of back to prison, thereby holding down the prison population. That’s a big difference.

    Parole violations typically involve such things as failing to report to one’s parole officer, as well as removing or disabling ankle bracelets. If sex offenders commit new sex offenses, they will be arrested, tried and sent back to prison if they are convicted.

    I don’t know where you get the idea that this is some sort of protest against the Federal government.

  13. avatar
    Daniel March 10, 2013 at 2:54 pm #

    Every terrorist believes himself to be a patriot, and fervently so.

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    BillTheCat March 10, 2013 at 4:33 pm #

    My personal rule has always been, that if you need to have the word “patriot” in your name – you are not one.

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    Paper March 10, 2013 at 5:58 pm #

    Does that mean you are not a cat?

    BillTheCat:
    My personal rule has always been, that if you need to have the word “patriot” in your name – you are not one.

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    Deborah March 10, 2013 at 7:18 pm #

    Rickey, honestly, such an idea of mine would have admittedly required more research than I did. In other words, my claims lack evidence- so, I know better than perpetuate them further. I’ll yield to your argument and bow out gracefully…for that is the noble thing to do. 🙂

    However, I’ll do some more research on the Arpaio sex investigation. I did some research on Governor Brown, and Schwarzenegger with regard to their stance on gay marriage. Statistics on reduced crime rates, and pie charts, etc. that come out of a Governor’s office should not be taken as gospel. (Consider for instance, Illinois Blagojevich raving reports on improvements on child welfare which, seen in retrospect of his impeachment, are laughable…that system is bad to the bone).

    My “suspicions” are only from my personal experience with local county yokels who loathe Obama, who believe he is a Muslim, are bigots and homophobes, in a Republican County that has rejected Federal funds (for, say increase in minimum wage) when it is not convenient for them, and accepted Federal funds when it is, and, most particularly, my “conspiracy theory” stems from being very well acquainted with a former prison guard who meets all of the personality criteria listed above!

    I would not pursue my theory long without meritorious evidence, but…I will make the point that the Taitz issue has provided a view into corruption from the ground up…the counties and the states and the feds, that’s all. Again, if any of you haven’t seen Mississipi Burning, see it!

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    J.D. Sue March 10, 2013 at 10:23 pm #

    Deborah: My “suspicions” are only from my personal experience with local county yokels who loathe Obama, who believe he is a Muslim, are bigots and homophobes, in a Republican County that has rejected Federal funds (for, say increase in minimum wage) when it is not convenient for them, and accepted Federal funds when it is, and, most particularly, my “conspiracy theory” stems from being very well acquainted with a former prison guard who meets all of the personality criteria listed above!
    I would not pursue my theory long without meritorious evidence, but…I will make the point that the Taitz issue has provided a view into corruption from the ground up…the counties and the states and the feds, that’s all. Again, if any of you haven’t seen Mississipi Burning, see it!

    —–

    I really can’t imagine any correlation between gay marriage and whether parole/probation violators should be in jail v. prison. Prisons and jails are different institutions run by different political entities–it is state v. county. Each is like a fiefdom, with it’s own internal power issues, politics, culture, and budget constraints/cutbacks. And since the jails are already crowded, no doubt the Sheriff does not appreciate–or have the resources for– picking up so much slack for the state Corrections Department.

    I suspect that, although the article and it’s hype is focused on sex offenders, the governmental perspective is not about sex offenders or gay marriage or any of that. Lots of parolees and probationers are on the bracelets (i.e. essentially under house arrest) for all types of offenses, but focusing on sex offenders makes good newspaper copy. From what I can see, the issue is simply that the prisons can’t handle all the convicts, and the Sheriff can’t handle all the spillover from the prison.

    I’ve represented many clients who were in jail or prison, and it never fails to amaze me how outrageously and openly bigotry, abuse, pettiness, ugly gossip and unprofessionalism pervade those establishments. No doubt many hate the federal courts because that is where lawyers like me take them to be sued for violating constitutional rights. It’s been this way for a very long time, and will likely continue to be this way–regardless of who is President and who is allowed to get married. The fact that our President is black and gay people are getting married only gives them two more things to mouth off about, but really changes nothing.

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    G March 11, 2013 at 12:21 am #

    Agreed.

    BillTheCat:
    My personal rule has always been, that if you need to have the word “patriot” in your name – you are not one.

    Agreed. Well said. Haters are going to hate, regardless. They will come up with an excuse to blame and b*tch about things no matter what. The world will progress over time, with or without them…

    J.D. Sue: It’s been this way for a very long time, and will likely continue to be this way–regardless of who is President and who is allowed to get married. The fact that our President is black and gay people are getting married only gives them two more things to mouth off about, but really changes nothing.

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    Deborah March 11, 2013 at 5:27 am #

    Guess I kind of rudely digressed off the topic of the thread…sorry. Anyhow, it’s probably too much to ask that the Feds mandate fair and Constitutional trials in court BEFORE mandating decreases in prison population, especially in dependency court (family court). But the real reason the prisons are over-populated, aside from judicial fraud, is in fact due to deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill! Here’s my last digression- a sad PBS documentary on the truth of deinstitutionalization- and Dr. Conspiracy can have his thread back.

    http://video.pbs.org/video/1114528522

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    Keith March 11, 2013 at 6:37 am #

    Deborah:
    Guess I kind of rudely digressed off the topic of the thread…sorry. Anyhow, it’s probably too much to ask that the Feds mandate fair and Constitutional trials in court BEFORE mandating decreases in prison population, especially in dependency court (family court). But the real reason the prisons are over-populated, aside from judicial fraud, is in fact due to deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill! Here’s my last digression- a sad PBS documentary on the truth of deinstitutionalization- and Dr. Conspiracy can have his thread back.

    http://video.pbs.org/video/1114528522

    Personally, I agree that deinstitutionalization is a mixed bag. I haven’t seen the PBS doco you link to, but I will.

    The simple fact is that we deal with people everyday that in the past would have been institutionalized for long periods of time, if not permanently. Many of those folks know how to use the internet. Many of those people use the internet to expound on their Own Private Idaho.

    You can’t tell from the keyboard ranting who is who and what is what. We just have to deal with it.

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    RetiredLawyer March 11, 2013 at 4:22 pm #

    More OT.

    Prison overcrowding is due to: (1) criminalization of the use of drugs, and (2) the use of drugs being illegal gathers in addtional crimes to support the habit, and (3) the habit is several hundred times more expensive to maintain than if the drugs were legal, thereby compelling the user to engage in criminal activity to support the habit.

    Further overcrowding is due to most states and the feds using mandatory minimum sentences, which over sentence people for most minor offenses.

    And, our mental health system is broken and the jails and prisons are often the first and only “treatment” that the mentally ill receive. The Los Angeles County jail is the largest mental health facility in the world, according to the Los Angeles Sheriff.

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    G March 11, 2013 at 6:23 pm #

    Understatement of the year!

    Keith: The simple fact is that we deal with people everyday that in the past would have been institutionalized for long periods of time, if not permanently. Many of those folks know how to use the internet. Many of those people use the internet to expound on their Own Private Idaho.

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    Suranis March 11, 2013 at 7:17 pm #

    RetiredLawyer:

    Prison overcrowding is due to: (1) criminalization of the use of drugs

    I’m sorry, but that’s a load of crock. The exact same drugs are illegal everywhere else, and nowhere else has the level of Incarceration that the United States does. You have 5% of the worlds population and something like 25% of the prisoners. If it was just drugs illegality then there would be a far more uniform distribution of prisoners. I’m afraid you have to look at something else other than drugs for your explanation.

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    aesthetocyst March 11, 2013 at 7:39 pm #

    Suranis: RetiredLawyer:

    Prison overcrowding is due to: (1) criminalization of the use of drugs

    I’m sorry, but that’s a load of crock.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_liberalization

    It’s a good start for researching the topic. Saying the same drugs are illegal everywhere is also too simplistic.

    But, yes, it’s not just drugs. It’s the American love affair with being tough on crime. Gubernatorial and Presidential pardons have gone from common to near nonexistent. Everyone’s being tough on crime and we have one, very unimaginative, very counterproductive approach: prison. Anything other than prisons, prisons, prisons is labelled ‘soft’ in the next election cycle.

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    sfjeff March 11, 2013 at 8:05 pm #

    Kiwiwriter: Amazing how many “patriots” there are who hate their nation’s form of government, political system, laws, and duly elected leadership.I think I heard these theories 150 years ago…the result was an unimaginably bloody Civil War with nearly half a million dead.I like the “Psychic Patriot.” Maybe he can tell me how this mess will all come out.

    Yeah- a quote I stole from the movie “the American President”(which is oddly timely considering its focus on gun control) is something like:

    Why do so many who profess to love America, hate Americans?

    Pretty much figure anyone who calls themselves an American Patriot really hates most Americans.

  26. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 11, 2013 at 8:47 pm #

    You must not get out much.

    Also drug policy is not the topic of this article, or of this web site as a whole.

    Nip it.

    Suranis: The exact same drugs are illegal everywhere else,

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    Deborah March 11, 2013 at 9:34 pm #

    The damage done by corrupt public officials has resulted in a large-scale loss of faith by the people in the American Constitutional judicial system. Perhaps there is a downright loss of faith in justice itself although I don’t mean a loss of faith in Judeo-Christianity- AU CONTRAIRE!

    (Cap locks were used above to emphasize my sincere but inappropriate, unprofessional, and ineffective sarcasm just for the fun of it which will bite me in the butt later on a writing or editing resume).

    Judicial corruption, according to the FBI, truly IS a crime BECAUSE it erodes faith in justice.

    Speaking for myself only, my bottomed-out “faith” has been recently renewed and refreshed by internet PDFs and scholarly research (which resembles the development of the printing press during the Renaissance when suddenly information was available to the masses rather than the few elite).

    I do have to agree with the writer above, Aesthetocyst. American patriots have come to love punishment. I made that same statement in an open letter to the Superior Court published in our local newspaper as I was explaining to them that this zeal for punishment is a good reason for me to be excused from jury duty, since in no way can I agree with the Prosecution.

    Mental illness is the result of how we as a society impart information to one another.

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    The Magic M March 12, 2013 at 5:43 am #

    Kiwiwriter: Amazing how many “patriots” there are who hate their nation’s form of government, political system, laws, and duly elected leadership.

    Because they don’t love America, they love their vision of America (which happens to be at odds with most actual American values).

    To quote from Faust:

    “Du gleichst dem Geist, den du begreifst,
    Nicht mir”

    (fig. translated as “You think you are like me (a higher being), but you’re only like your wrong and incomplete image of me”, something that can also be understood as criticism of the “we are like God because he created us in his image” school of thought)

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    Kiwiwriter March 13, 2013 at 11:02 pm #

    The Magic M: Because they don’t love America, they love their vision of America (which happens to be at odds with most actual American values).

    To quote from Faust:

    “Du gleichst dem Geist, den du begreifst,
    Nicht mir”

    (fig. translated as “You think you are like me (a higher being), but you’re only like your wrong and incomplete image of me”, something that can also be understood as criticism of the “we are like God because he created us in his image” school of thought)

    Well, I know that they do not love America, just their own version of it, an idealized view of a place that neither really ever existed nor should exist.

    Nice use of Goethe…his final words, “Light, more light!” are still a clarion call to continue to learn, no matter what the age.