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Taitz opposes motion to dismiss in Grinols

The federal defendants (the Electoral College and the Congress) through the US Attorney have moved to dismiss Orly Taitz’ first amended complaint in Grinols v. Electoral College. She has filed a motion in opposition.

Taitz’ first point is that the US Attorney cannot represent Barack Obama in this case. In that point, she is 100% correct. Since Taitz never served the President, he is not a party to the case, and needs no representation.

The next point is clouded by the general lack of commas which seems to be plaguing Taitz presently. Here is her claim, reduced in case and with commas added for clarity:

According to the Defendants, members of Congress and members of the Electoral College, they are not represented by the US Attorneys’ Office.

What that really means is that some members of Congress and of the Electoral College do not know about the lawsuit and that the US Attorney is representing them. Taitz claims that one member of the Electoral College (out of 538) doesn’t want the suit dismissed, but the Electoral College isn’t a body that can be sued anyway.

Taitz throws out two cases: Fulani v. Hogset to show that she has standing, and Cleaver v. Jordan to show that the Court has jurisdiction to ascertain the legitimacy of presidential candidates. I don’t know what Fulani v. Hogset says, but supposedly it justifies a minor candidate’s standing in an election case. However, when Taitz filed her first amended complaint, the original complaint became null and void, and since the election was over, none of her plaintiffs were candidates. The original Keyes v. Obama appeal made this abundantly clear (to everybody but Taitz). The Cleaver case (1968) did involve the legality of a state Secretary of State declaring a candidate ineligible and excluding him from the ballot (the candidate was Eldridge Cleaver and he was ineligible because he was too young). The California Supreme Court held that the Secretary of State could exclude someone from the ballot on account eligibility. The US Supreme Court declined to review the case. It said nothing about the court itself excluding someone from the ballot.

Taitz didn’t number her pages, and perhaps that is why at least one page appears twice (page 3 and 4).

Taitz does a backflip by saying that Obama’s election can be declared void because Senator Schield’s election was voided in 1849. What she didn’t quite catch, however, is that it was the US Senate that rejected Schield’s election, not a court.

John Jay, Soebarkah, forged ID’s…. 36 pages…

E.D.ca ECF 82 2013-03-04 – Grinols v Electoral College – Opposition to MtD by Jack Ryan

80 Responses to Taitz opposes motion to dismiss in Grinols

  1. avatar
    The Magic M March 5, 2013 at 5:45 am #

    Also note the ridicolous reference to 5 USC 3328 (Claim 11) that is another pet theory of the wingnut scene – as if an ordinary law could impose additional prerequisites for the presidency on top of what the Constitution requires.

  2. avatar
    Northland10 March 5, 2013 at 6:46 am #

    President Obama cannot submit a motion to dismiss the First Amended Complaint because he already defaulted? Ignoring her lack of service, she made him no longer in default with her FAC.

  3. avatar
    Wild Bill March 5, 2013 at 9:34 am #

    I’ll take issue with one comment – You say Taitz is 100% correct when she says the DOJ can’t represent President Obama because he hasn’t been served. That’s not quite correct.

    A party who has not been served is not requred to appear and defend, but there is no restriction on doing so. Indeed, there may be many reasons a named defendant would want to get a case dismissed even before service is completed.

    Taitz says “cannot” which is wrong.

    You say “need not” which is correct.

  4. avatar
    Thomas Brown March 5, 2013 at 9:58 am #

    Wild Bill: You say Taitz is 100% correct when she says the DOJ can’t represent President Obama because he hasn’t been served. That’s not quite correct.

    Thank God. Whenever I hear Orly is correct about something, I instinctively start scanning the sky for pigs.

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    Reality Check March 5, 2013 at 10:11 am #

    Taitz always follows this with the obligatory “Obama is not even eligible to be the janitor in the White House”.

    I left a comment on Orly’s Facebook page the other day that not only do I think she could not have passed the bar I don’t think she could pass an 8th grade Civics exam.

    The Magic M:
    Also note the ridicolous reference to 5 USC 3328 (Claim 11) that is another pet theory of the wingnut scene – as if an ordinary law could impose additional prerequisites for the presidency on top of what the Constitution requires.

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    Reality Check March 5, 2013 at 11:27 am #

    My synopsis of Fulani v Hogset:

    The New Alliance Party candidates for President and VP were on the ballot in the general election in 1988. The Indiana SoS Evan Bayh was late certifying both the Republican and Democratic party candidates but added them to the ballot anyway. The New Alliance Party candidates filed in district court to force the major party candidates off the ballot and for damages. The district court granted a motion to dismiss the case.

    The Plaintiffs appealed to the Seventh Circuit. The Seventh Circuit ruled the Plaintiffs had standing since they could conceivably have won the election if both the Democratic and Republican candidates were not on the ballot and might have had damages in the amount excess spent campaigning because the major parties were on the ballot. However, they upheld the dismissal on laches because the Plaintiffs didn’t file the suit until mid October when it was not practical to do anything about the ballots and when absentee voting was already underway.

    I am glad Orly thinks a dismissal of a much, much more legitimate case than her piece of garbage in Grinols is helpful.

  7. avatar
    Reality Check March 5, 2013 at 12:09 pm #

    Hmmm, I had the spelling right and changed it for some reason. Fulani v Hogsett

    The New Alliance Party candidates were Lenora Fulani and Mamie Moore. One correction: Evan Bayh was the Governor and Joseph Hogsett was the Secretary of State of Indiana. Both were named as defendants.

  8. avatar
    Rickey March 5, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

    Wild Bill:
    I’ll take issue with one comment – You say Taitz is 100% correct when she says the DOJ can’t represent President Obama because he hasn’t been served. That’s not quite correct.

    A party who has not been served is not requred to appear and defend, but there is no restriction on doing so. Indeed, there may be many reasons a named defendant would want to get a case dismissed even before service is completed.

    Taitz says “cannot” which is wrong.

    You say “need not” which is correct.

    You are correct. I have seen many cases in which a defense attorney effectively waives defective service and appears for a client who has not been served properly.

    In New York, at least, defense attorneys in civil cases typically will not raise the issue of defective service unless the statute of limitations has run and the plaintiff does not have an opportunity to perfect the service. Otherwise all they are accomplishing is to delay the inevitable.

    Of course, with Orly it is entirely possible that she might never figure out how to serve Obama in his personal capacity.

  9. avatar
    Donna LS March 5, 2013 at 2:06 pm #

    Evidently you aren’t aware of what has transpired – – –

    http://theobamahustle.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/breaking-news-barack-soetoro-aka-barack-obama-discovered-at-columbia-university-as-of-2010/

    Albert E. Hendershot
    19 hours ago
    My friends, for the first time since I have been doing this thing with these database pulls and the subsequent discoveries I have made have been very eye opening to say the least. However, what I have just put together today is shocking, disgusting, and troubling all at the same time. I am just about in tears my heart is so broken. I have never felt as lied to as an American as I feel right now. I can deal with the fight for the truth, but when I finally see the truth for what it truly is which are completely fabricated lives and a complete abrogation of the truth is something that I cannot tolerate as an American Citizen.

  10. avatar
    richCares March 5, 2013 at 2:28 pm #

    Donna LS., great story, really good satire, you have a good sense on humor, have you considered applying to “The Onion” for a writing position, contact them at http://www.theonion.com

  11. avatar
    Majority Will March 5, 2013 at 3:35 pm #

    Donna LS:
    Evidently you aren’t aware of what has transpired – – –

    http://theobamahustle.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/breaking-news-barack-soetoro-aka-barack-obama-discovered-at-columbia-university-as-of-2010/

    Albert E. Hendershot
    19 hours ago
    My friends, for the first time since I have been doing this thing with these database pulls and the subsequent discoveries I have made have been very eye opening to say the least. However, what I have just put together today is shocking, disgusting, and troubling all at the same time. I am just about in tears my heart is so broken. I have never felt as lied to as an American as I feel right now. I can deal with the fight for the truth, but when I finally see the truth for what it truly is which are completely fabricated lives and a complete abrogation of the truth is something that I cannot tolerate as an American Citizen.

    Funny stuff!

    Thanks for the chuckle!

  12. avatar
    justlw March 5, 2013 at 4:45 pm #

    Donna LS: Evidently you aren’t aware of what has transpired

    Let me see if I have this right: in February 2010, Barack Soetoro was living in the Columbia University mailroom.

  13. avatar
    donna March 5, 2013 at 5:09 pm #

    justlw:

    yes, you got that toyota

  14. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 5, 2013 at 6:23 pm #

    To which Hendershot added:

    I challenge anyone to disprove my findings. We will have to open the records and examine them completely so as to disprove my findings and get to the truth once and for all.

    To which I replied:

    How do you square this with the Brietbart publication of the Columbia graduate list that shows Barack Hussein Obama and not Barry Soetoro?

    The comment is still in moderation an hour later.

    Donna LS: My friends, for the first time since I have been doing this thing with these database pulls and the subsequent discoveries I have made have been very eye opening to say the least. However, what I have just put together today is shocking,

  15. avatar
    misha marinsky March 5, 2013 at 6:30 pm #

    Donna LS: Evidently you aren’t aware of what has transpired

    Donna LS: I agree with you. Ignore the naive liberals here. I found Obama’s Kenya BC. Fireworks!! See for yourself:

    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2009/09/another-kenyan-birth-certificate.html

  16. avatar
    Rickey March 5, 2013 at 7:47 pm #

    Donna LS:
    Evidently you aren’t aware of what has transpired – – –

    http://theobamahustle.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/breaking-news-barack-soetoro-aka-barack-obama-discovered-at-columbia-university-as-of-2010/

    Albert E. Hendershot
    19 hours ago
    My friends, for the first time since I have been doing this thing with these database pulls and the subsequent discoveries I have made have been very eye opening to say the least. However, what I have just put together today is shocking, disgusting, and troubling all at the same time. I am just about in tears my heart is so broken. I have never felt as lied to as an American as I feel right now. I can deal with the fight for the truth, but when I finally see the truth for what it truly is which are completely fabricated lives and a complete abrogation of the truth is something that I cannot tolerate as an American Citizen.

    Is that the opening of Al Hendershot’s standup routine? Very funny!

  17. avatar
    aesthetocyst March 5, 2013 at 7:49 pm #

    Donna LS: Evidently you aren’t aware of what has transpired – – –

    No kidding! “they” let the birfer loons ramble crazy for a couple years and then started covering stuff up? I had no idea! What chutzpah!

    Or maybe they just forgot, and then suddenly remembered in 2010, about that whole Columbia period?

    The whole WH is just too stoned to keep track, right? right?

    Sheesh.

  18. avatar
    Donna LS March 5, 2013 at 8:42 pm #

    To Dr. Conspiracy – first I believe you made Hendershots quotes look like mine – my only words prior to my posting the website and/or quotes from Hendershot –
    “Evidently you aren’t aware of what has transpired – – –” Dr. Conspiracy – your comment – – “How do you square this with the Brietbart publication of the Columbia graduate list that shows Barack Hussein Obama and not Barry Soetoro?” – – I don’t have the exact dates but I believe it was May-July 2012 time frame I when Brietbart’s posting of the so called graduate list appeared – – again, quoting from part of Hendershots findings “In February of 2010, someone had to have accessed the records of Barack Soretoro at Columbia University and altered them therefore creating the imputed data creating the file for Barack Obama on the same day of February 2010 so as to produce the results obtained by me as of October of 2011.
    TO REPEAT FROM HENDERSHOT “I challenge anyone to disprove my findings. We will have to open the records and examine them completely so as to
    disprove my findings and get to the truth once and for all.”

  19. avatar
    Yoda March 5, 2013 at 9:13 pm #

    Donna, it is always up to the person making tan accusation to prove that it is true. I could easily say that some birfer loon hacked into the Columbia database and planted false information or that Henderson faked the document and demand that you disprove it. I can tell you that ran the name Barack Soetoro in lexis nexus and found that no person has used that name in this country, ever. Birfers will say that it was scrubbed. I do know that databases are not necessarily reliable. For example, I ran the name Mike Zullo and found only one person with that name who had lived in both NJ and Arizona, and that person is dead.

    Henderdon’s find claims that Barack Soetoro was living in NY in 2010, which is impossible. It said nothing about the Columbia years. I ran a check on the name Barack Obama and found 147 addresses that the name is associated with. To me the most likely explanation is that they were campaign offices. The point is that raw data from data bases is like statistics, they are not always reliable and people can interpret them anyway they want to.

  20. avatar
    Kate1230 March 5, 2013 at 9:32 pm #

    DonnaLS,

    How do you account for Taitz’s reply from Columbia University that Barack Obama received a degree from them? I’m not sure of the exact date she received it but they account for his having attended Columbia under the name Barack Obama. In fact, nobody has ever shown anything as proof that he has used the last name of Soetoro while living in the U.S.

    His School record from Indonesia was listed under the stepfather’s last name as the principal explained was standard practice at the time that all children enrolled be listed under the father or stepfather’s name, religion & citizenship. It’s not unusual when you consider many parents in the U.S. used to do the same thing when remarrying and blending families, enrolling all children under the same last name. However, to pretend that he became an Indonesian citizen when we know that not only did U.S. law forbid it from happening but so did Indonesian law. A parent was not allowed to relinquish a minor’s citizenship nor was Barack Obama old enough to relinquish his own at any time he lived in Indonesia according to U.S. law. Birthers contend that they only want to follow the law yet they ignore U.S. law when convenient to whatever nonsense they are spewing in order to try to convince others that they are being truthful. Birthers frequently claim they need to see evidence that Barack “Soetoro” changed his name back to Obama yet they’ve never shown us anything that proves his name was ever changed from Obama to any other name in a legal proceeding.

    The reality is that birthers don’t want to believe anything other than what they read on their RWNJ sites or birther sites. The truth is simply not something they are interested in or will ever accept.

  21. avatar
    Majority Will March 5, 2013 at 9:37 pm #

    Donna LS:

    TO REPEAT FROM HENDERSHOT “I challenge anyone to disprove my findings. We will have to open the records and examine them completely so as to
    disprove my findings and get to the truth once and for all.”

    Hysterical! ! ! Whew! Stop!

    I can’t stop laughing! Comedy gold!

  22. avatar
    justlw March 5, 2013 at 10:15 pm #

    Majority Will: I can’t stop laughing! Comedy gold!

    It’s the faux bad formatting that really sells it.

  23. avatar
    justlw March 5, 2013 at 10:16 pm #

    Donna LS: I don’t have the exact dates but I believe it was May-July 2012 time frame I when Brietbart’s posting of the so called graduate list appeared

    Good point! It’s well known that Breitbart is “in the tank” for Barack Soetoro. *wink*

  24. avatar
    donna March 5, 2013 at 10:20 pm #

    Donna LS: I don’t have the exact dates but I believe it was May-July 2012 time frame I when Brietbart’s posting of the so called graduate list appeared

    5/18/2012 breitbart

    The image above–never before released–is from public records at Columbia University that prove that Obama did, in fact, graduate in 1983 from the Ivy League school. Contrary to some conspiracy theories, Obama was a student within the Faculty of Arts and Sciences–not the less selective, “nontraditional” Columbia University School of General Studies (which only merged with the Faculty of Arts and Sciences in 1990).

  25. avatar
    Donna LS March 5, 2013 at 11:03 pm #

    For you Commentors on this site – this is from

    Albert E. Hendershot

    This is my reply to Dr. Conspiracy on The Obama Hustle.

    “No offence, but I don’t give a [obscenity deleted. Doc] what Brietbart has to say. I can gurantee that they have no databases to pull skp tracing data like I can. Now, if you want me to prove the validity of my databases, shoot me in an email your name, and address and I will skip trace you and show you what I can pull on you, your family, your neighbors and so on. I am not being a smat-ass in any way towards you, but I can show you how accurate these databases can be. You would be amazed at what I could find on you.

    BTW
    If I had my way I would drag all of the OBOTS out in the street and tear their Socialiist hearts out. There is nothng nice about me as a person. The one things I love about Skip Tracing is finding out where these slug debtors live and paying them a visit especally when they have threatened me over their debts and hoping that they have a gun so I can use mine. You see that’s the difference between me and a pussy like Brietbart. They do not have the stomach for a real fight like I do.

    You have a great day.”

  26. avatar
    gorefan March 5, 2013 at 11:34 pm #

    Donna LS: this is from
    Albert E. Hendershot

    It is not a question of disproving his information. Clearly the name Barak Soetoro is in the database. It is his interpetation of the data that is wrong.

    Hendershot does not understand what is in the databases. The first reporting date of 2010 means that is the first time the information showed up in the database. So the Barack Soetoro name did not exist in the database before 2010. He fell for somebody’s joke

  27. avatar
    Yoda March 5, 2013 at 11:35 pm #

    Donna LS: BTW
    If I had my way I would drag all of the OBOTS out in the street and tear their Socialiist hearts out. There is nothng nice about me as a person. The one things I love about Skip Tracing is finding out where these slug debtors live and paying them a visit especally when they have threatened me over their debts and hoping that they have a gun so I can use mine. You see that’s the difference between me and a pussy like Brietbart. They do not have the stomach for a real fight like I do.

    You have a great day.”

    Gotta love keyboard commandos.

  28. avatar
    justlw March 5, 2013 at 11:38 pm #

    Donna LS (channeling Big Al): I can gurantee that they have no databases to pull skp tracing data like I can.

    Yeah, cuz, you know: Acxiom. No one has access to that.

    Donna LS: if you want me to prove the validity of my databases,

    So you’re saying that Barack Obama really did once live at “123 WHITE HOUSE” ? Because that’s in your marvelous omniscient skiptrace databases, too.

    You have to — you have to — know that the thing about skiptrace databases is that they are, not to put too fine a point on this, filled with useless crap. Yes, you can glean all sorts of data from them, but you have to be smart enough to sort out the utter and obvious garbage.

    And yes, anything added in 2010 that suddenly springs the name “Barack Soetoro” out of nowhere, a name that didn’t appear in any skiptrace database (or anywhere else) between the time Obama attended Columbia and then, is utter and obvious garbage. And completely contradicted by factual data, including facts reported by the likes of WND, here on planet Earth.

    Donna LS (channeling Big Al): If I had my way I would drag all of the OBOTS out in the street and tear their Socialiist hearts out.

    Well, then.

  29. avatar
    gorefan March 5, 2013 at 11:41 pm #

    Donna LS: Evidently you aren’t aware of what has transpired

    Donna LS, don’t you find it interesting that you can freely post a comment here but Hendershot moderates his site and only allows selected comments. What is he afraid of?

  30. avatar
    donna March 5, 2013 at 11:45 pm #

    doc: The comment is still in moderation an hour later.

    was it finally posted?

    tia

  31. avatar
    justlw March 5, 2013 at 11:47 pm #

    Name – OBAMA, BARACK
    Street Address – 123 WHITE HOUSE
    City, State, Zip – IRVINE CA 92618

  32. avatar
    Rickey March 6, 2013 at 12:30 am #

    Donna LS:
    For you Commentors on this site – this is from

    Albert E. Hendershot

    This is my reply to Dr. Conspiracy on The Obama Hustle.

    “No offence, but I don’t give a god damn what Brietbart has to say. I can gurantee that they have no databases to pull skp tracing data like I can. Now, if you want me to prove the validity of my databases, shoot me in an email your name, and address and I will skip trace you and show you what I can pull on you, your family, your neighbors and so on. I am not being a smat-ass in any way towards you, but I can show you how accurate these databases can be. You would be amazed at what I could find on you.

    BTWIf I had my way I would drag all of the OBOTS out in the street and tear their Socialiist hearts out. There is nothng nice about me as a person. The one things I love about Skip Tracing is finding out where these slug debtors live and paying them a visit especally when they have threatened me over their debts and hoping that they have a gun so I can use mine. You see that’s the difference between me and a pussy like Brietbart. They do not have the stomach for a real fight like I do.

    You have a great day.”

    You can tell Al Hendershot that I am a real private investigator – not a mere bill collector – and I have access to databases which he is not eligible for.

    His claim that the Soetoro information is the result of someone manipulating Columbia University records is pure fantasy.

    What Hendershot will not tell you is that every report he gleans from his databases contains a variation on the following message:

    Important: The Public Records and commercially available data sources used on reports have errors. Data is sometimes entered poorly, processed incorrectly and
    is generally not free from defect. This system should not be relied upon as definitively accurate. Before relying on any data this system supplies, it should be
    independently verified.

    You got that? The databases which Hendershot relies upon are replete with errors, and the information has to be independently verified. Hendershot has done no independent verification. He just publishes whatever garbage he finds and runs with it.

    I could generate a record that Barack Obama lives with me simply by filling out a credit application with his name and SSN and my address. It would be false information, of course, but it would end up in a database. A real private investigator knows how to separate reliable information from garbage input. Hendershot either doesn’t know how to that or he doesn’t care.

  33. avatar
    Thinker March 6, 2013 at 12:34 am #

    Al Hendershot is a good example of why truthers get so offended when people compare them to birthers. No truther would believe the absolute nonsense that birthers consider irrefutable evidence that Obama is a usurper. Barack Soetoro, sharing an address with the Columbia University International Scholars and Students Office, first shows up in a commercial database years after Obama is elected president, and the entry is first exposed by a person who admits doing daily database searches for any information relating to Obama.

    No holes in this story. None. At. All.

  34. avatar
    justlw March 6, 2013 at 12:42 am #

    Thinker: truthers get so offended when people compare them to birthers.

    God, but that’s funny.

    I suppose the birthers can in turn look down on the anti-vaxers, since, Big Al’s bluster aside, at least they aren’t killing children.

  35. avatar
    BillTheCat March 6, 2013 at 12:58 am #

    Hendershot’s stooge Donna LS:

    “BTWIf I had my way I would drag all of the OBOTS out in the street and tear their Socialiist hearts out. There is nothng nice about me as a person. The one things I love about Skip Tracing is finding out where these slug debtors live and paying them a visit especally when they have threatened me over their debts and hoping that they have a gun so I can use mine. You see that’s the difference between me and a pussy like Brietbart. They do not have the stomach for a real fight like I do.”

    Yeh we’re all shaking in our boots over that one, looney-toon.

    Sorry Al, you’re the same level of crazy as Mario, KKKlayman, Butternutter, and Orly – all peas in a crazy pod. No one cares about your “data-pulls”.

  36. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 6, 2013 at 2:51 am #

    It was approved sometime after 9 pm, probably at the same time that Hendershot posted his blustering non-answer.

    It appears that since my comment, he has disabled Twitter and WordPress.com logins on his site and that in order to comment now, you have to have an account on his blog. This might be a technical glitch, but I can’t reply.

    If I could reply, I would say: “Brietbart News got its information direct from Columbia University. You don’t even know where your skip trace record came from.”

    donna: was it finally posted?

  37. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 6, 2013 at 3:00 am #

    Taitz has made it doubly clear that she is serving the President as a candidate, so it is also proper to say that the US Attorney cannot represent the President in that capacity. In the original appearance the US Attorney said that it was unclear in what capacity the President was being sued. Taitz has cleared up that ambiguity along with proving that service to the Justice Dept. was wrong.

    Wild Bill: A party who has not been served is not required to appear and defend, but there is no restriction on doing so. Indeed, there may be many reasons a named defendant would want to get a case dismissed even before service is completed.

  38. avatar
    Bovril March 6, 2013 at 4:49 am #

    Oh Donna, Donna, Donna…..such bile, venom and pus.

    So, would you care to explain to one and all, the following.

    The President (dn’t that just gall you bitter little soul) was elected, swoe and oath ans statred being all Presidently January of 2009.

    From that point he’s been living in a rather large property in DC, you may have seen it on the news from time to time.

    Now these are actual facts so how do you reconcile that with a garbage data base record from a company who states in theit T’s and C’s that the data they vacuum up is unsafe and never checked?

  39. avatar
    Majority Will March 6, 2013 at 5:42 am #

    “No offence, but . . . ’

    None taken ! BWAHAHAHAHA! ! !

    What a fool!

    This just keeps getting funnier!

    “You see that’s the difference between me and a pussy like Brietbart. They do not have the stomach for a real fight like I do.”

    That’s probably true since he’s dead.

    “There is nothng (sic) nice about me as a person.”

    Crap! That changes everything! 🙂

    BTW, I’m a French model. It’s on the internet so it must be true. Bonjour!

  40. avatar
    Scientist March 6, 2013 at 6:42 am #

    Donna LS/Al Hendershot: I’m sure you guys do great work, but I am a bit lost as to what you are alleging here. Could we go back a step and clarify this? Are you saying that the President attended Columbia under two different names, Barack Obama and Barry Soetoro? Could you enlighten us as to why? What would one gain by doing that, since any course taken under one name would only be credited to that name? I can’t say that you have ever made sense with the nonsense about property tax in Chicago (property tax is up to the local authorities to assess and bill-the responsibility lies with them to determine whether a parcel is taxable, not with the owner and anyway, according to the President’s tax returns, he pays a bundle in local property taxes), but this makes even less.

    Anyway, isn’t that address on Broadway the general mailing address for Columbia University, not specifically for the International Student Office?

  41. avatar
    Northland10 March 6, 2013 at 7:08 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Taitz has made it doubly clear that she is serving the President as a candidate,

    There is the minor issue that, by the time of the First Amended Complaint, he was no longer a candidate.

  42. avatar
    The Magic M March 6, 2013 at 7:16 am #

    Donna LS: TO REPEAT FROM HENDERSHOT “I challenge anyone to disprove my findings. We will have to open the records and examine them completely so as to
    disprove my findings and get to the truth once and for all.”

    Yup, reversal of burden of proof coupled with a fishing expedition.
    This is exactly the kinda thing courts do not allow – just to make up some bogus claims, “corroborated” by unauthenticated and unreliable data, then claim you have a right to look at all the defendant’s records to “prove you wrong”.

    With the same reasoning, I could claim Al Hendershot is beating his wife, “corroborate” this with some excerpts from the public database wifebeaters.org (where I personally added Al to the list), and then claim he has to release all his diaries, his wife’s diaries and his in-house surveillance camera footage to prove that my claim is wrong.

  43. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater March 6, 2013 at 9:08 am #

    donna: Donna LS: I don’t have the exact dates but I believe it was May-July 2012 time frame I when Brietbart’s posting of the so called graduate list appeared 5/18/2012 breitbartThe image above–never before released–is from public records at Columbia University that prove that Obama did, in fact, graduate in 1983 from the Ivy League school. Contrary to some conspiracy theories, Obama was a student within the Faculty of Arts and Sciences–not the less selective, “nontraditional” Columbia University School of General Studies (which only merged with the Faculty of Arts and Sciences in 1990).

    We have more than Breitbart’s word though we also have the columbia day program from graduation day

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/102860164/Columbia-Program-1983

    Notice Wayne Allyn Root’s name is different in here. Out of the two people of relevance to birthers only Root used an alias.

  44. avatar
    Reality Check March 6, 2013 at 9:11 am #

    Has anyone bothered to contact Acxiom and let them know their database is being used to run a smear campaign against President Obama by an incompetent goober in Alabama?

    Rickey: A real private investigator knows how to separate reliable information from garbage input. Hendershot either doesn’t know how to that or he doesn’t care.

  45. avatar
    richCares March 6, 2013 at 9:33 am #

    Here is a picture of Orly on her way to court with her documents on Grinols , enjoy!
    http://static.onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/funny_bike.jpg

  46. avatar
    The Magic M March 6, 2013 at 9:53 am #

    And that’s just the original documents, not the FAC which is in the 40 ton truck following the bike. 😉

  47. avatar
    The Magic M March 6, 2013 at 9:54 am #

    Reality Check: Has anyone bothered to contact Acxiom and let them know their database is being used to run a smear campaign against President Obama by an incompetent goober in Alabama?

    What good would it do? Just imagine if Acxiom acted by improving their DB (i.e. removing those entries), birthers would yell “scrubbing” until Judgment Day.

  48. avatar
    donna March 6, 2013 at 10:02 am #

    to the OTHER donna (LS): apparently there is a database listing (and dozens of others) for

    Name – OBAMA, BARACK
    Gender – Male
    Street Address – 355 POMELO AVE — (*1531 square foot single family home has 3 bedrooms and 2.0 bathrooms. It is located at 355 Pomelo Ave Brea, California)
    City, State, Zip – BREA CA 92821-4129
    Probable Current Address – No
    Telephone –
    Telephone Accountholder –
    Social Security – 537-36-xxxx
    Age –
    Date of Birth –
    Deceased – No
    Date Record Verified – Oct 08 – Dec 08

    since the burden of proof is on the ACCUSER, can hendersshot prove obama lived there, in CA, while he was being elected president?

  49. avatar
    G March 6, 2013 at 10:11 am #

    So something this shoddy and lame is what passes for a “new” conspiracy in Birtherism these days…boy are they a decrepit movement, dying on the vine…

  50. avatar
    Rickey March 6, 2013 at 10:42 am #

    And then there is the article in the March 10, 1983 issue of Columbia University’s student publication “Sundial” written by none other than Barack Obama.

    http://www.politico.com/static/PPM116_obamaessay.html

    I would be interested to hear crack skip tracer Al Hendershot’s explanation as to why Obama published an article in a student publication as Barack Obama if he was enrolled as Barack Soetoro.

  51. avatar
    Reality Check March 6, 2013 at 10:58 am #

    Then there is the copy of the Columbia College Class Day program from 1983 that I wrote about.

  52. avatar
    Whatever4 March 6, 2013 at 12:02 pm #

    Plus 2 entries in the Columbia directory for the appropriate years. http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/people-remember-president-obama/friends-2/#Columbia

  53. avatar
    Rickey March 6, 2013 at 12:37 pm #

    Reality Check:
    Has anyone bothered to contact Acxiom and let them know their database is being used to run a smear campaign against President Obama by an incompetent goober in Alabama?

    Hendershot could get his Acxiom account cancelled because he clearly does not have a permissible use under FCRA and the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act to do his database mining on President Obama. You may recall that LexisNexis pulled John Sampson’s access when they discovered that he was searching their databases for information on Obama.

    I am a bit surprised that Acxiom apparently has not flagged Obama’s records in order to verify that there is a permissible use every time a customer attempts to access them, particularly since Hendershot claims to have been checking them on a regular basis.

  54. avatar
    Reality Check March 6, 2013 at 12:58 pm #

    Well, I called Acxiom this morning and talked to a gentleman (I have his name) in their media relations department. I asked him if they were aware that a blogger named Al Hendershot was using their database to perpetrate a smear on President Obama and had admitted to checking their data every day for some period in his smear effort. He said yes they were aware a blogger was engaging in those activities and it was “already being handled as a legal matter”. He said he could not comment any further.

    Rickey: Hendershot could get his Acxiom account cancelled because he clearly does not have a permissible use under FCRA and the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act to do his database mining on President Obama.

  55. avatar
    Rickey March 6, 2013 at 1:27 pm #

    Reality Check:
    Well, I called Acxiom this morning and talked to a gentleman (I have his name) in their media relations department. I asked him if they were aware that a blogger named Al Hendershot was using their database to perpetrate a smear on President Obama and had admitted to checking their data every day for some period in his smear effort. He said yes they were aware a blogger was engaging in those activities and it was “already being handled as a legal matter”. He said he could not comment any further.

    Well done!

  56. avatar
    Majority Will March 6, 2013 at 1:38 pm #

    Reality Check:
    Well, I called Acxiom this morning and talked to a gentleman (I have his name) in their media relations department. I asked him if they were aware that a blogger named Al Hendershot was using their database to perpetrate a smear on President Obama and had admitted to checking their data every day for some period in his smear effort. He said yes they were aware a blogger was engaging in those activities and it was “already being handled as a legal matter”. He said he could not comment any further.

    I wonder if Angry Al has warned them that he rips out hearts and has a gun?

    After all, he’s not one of those nice guys.

    He should probably just call them a “pussy” and they’ll back down and apologize.

  57. avatar
    Rickey March 6, 2013 at 1:38 pm #

    If anyone is interested in what Hendershot looks like, I found a photo of him online. This one was taken when his Alabama ballot challenge was tossed out of court.

    http://wbrc.images.worldnow.com/images/16477217_BG1.JPG

  58. avatar
    Paper March 6, 2013 at 2:11 pm #

    Interestingly, if you use the Google image search to find visually similar images to this one of Hendershot, almost all of the results are empty rooms (except for one final image of somone giving a keynote somewhere).

    As in: the Empty Room argument.

    Visually similar: Hendershot

    Rickey:
    If anyone is interested in what Hendershot looks like, I found a photo of him online. This one was taken when his Alabama ballot challenge was tossed out of court.

  59. avatar
    Majority Will March 6, 2013 at 2:25 pm #

    Paper:
    Interestingly, if you use the Google image search to find visually similar images to this one of Hendershot, almost all of the results are empty rooms (except for one final image of somone giving a keynote somewhere).

    As in: the Empty Room argument.

    I would have guessed images similar to Al would primarily feature low quality plastic containers used for feminine hygiene.

    That would be a more accurate database search result.

  60. avatar
    Northland10 March 6, 2013 at 2:41 pm #

    Rickey:
    I am a bit surprised that Acxiom apparently has not flagged Obama’s records in order to verify that there is a permissible use every time a customer attempts to access them, particularly since Hendershot claims to have been checking them on a regular basis.

    Well, flagging Obama’s records may not have any effect on Al since the records he is all excited about are not Obama’s records.

  61. avatar
    gorefan March 6, 2013 at 3:02 pm #

    Rickey:
    If anyone is interested in what Hendershot looks like, I found a photo of him online. This one was taken when his Alabama ballot challenge was tossed out of court.

    Here he is reporting from his parents basement..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma9xCv-8zsg

    Al Hendershot by way of Donna LS: If I had my way I would drag all of the OBOTS out in the street and tear their Socialiist hearts out.

    Looks like all he could drag, is his fat a$$ out to an all-you-can-eat buffet. Maybe this will be of use to him.

    http://www.buffetbuddy.com/Alabama_Buffets.html

  62. avatar
    misha marinsky March 6, 2013 at 3:28 pm #

    Donna LS: If I had my way I would drag all of the OBOTS out in the street and tear their Socialiist hearts out. There is nothng nice about me as a person.

    As a former kibbutznik, I am a socialist as was David ben Gurion and Golda Meir. In fact, when Meir first went to Palestine, she was a Marxist.

    You have my name. As my mother – עליה השלום – would say in Yiddish, “Go do me something.”

  63. avatar
    Thomas Brown March 6, 2013 at 5:37 pm #

    Donna LS:
    For you Commentors on this site – this is from

    Albert E. Pantywaist

    …If I had my way I would drag all of the OBOTS out in the street and tear their Socialiist hearts out. There is nothng nice about me as a person.

    Oh, but you’re so wrong! You are absolutely adorable! It’s so cute the way you think you could just show up and drag us into the street. How ya gonna do that? You think you can even get away with calling me a Socialist in person, or calling me a traitor to my country?

    You’d never do it, pal. This is my Country. I love her as much as you do and respect her more. It’s just the most precious little thing that you think we’re all pussies who cower at your onanistic trash talk.

    But you know all about trash, don’t you? You come from trash, you talk trash, you will die trash. That’s a nice thing about you right there! You’re entertaining in a sort of thick, impotent fashion.

    Just hope you have a plastic sneeze guard on your keyboard when you type your oh-so-precious hatred out with one hand!

    You have no respect for free elections and the rule of law, otherwise you wouldn’t have broken the law trying to smear a duly-elected United States President, a man Senator McCain called “a decent man, a good family man…” a man who made as many good choices in HIS life as you have made bad ones in yours.

    Barack Obama is so superior to you it is hard to form an adequate analogy. If he is Joe Theisman, you are Pee Wee Herman. If he is General MacArthur you are Gomer Pyle. If Barack is platinum, you are toxic sludge.

    There’s another cute thing about you: the way that just burns you up inside. Adorable!

    Seriously, nobody is afraid of you, least of all me. So go ahead: Make My Day. No doubt Orly the Psycho Communist Birther Joan of Arc can give you all the contact details you need on yours truly.

  64. avatar
    Reality Check March 6, 2013 at 6:22 pm #

    A small followup on my conversation with Mr. xxxx at Acxiom. He asked me if I had discussed this situation on my radio show. I said that yes I had mentioned it briefly on my last show. He seemed concerned about the bad publicity from this IMO. I think he is correct to be concerned. Having a goober Birther from Alabama use your data to smear the President wrongly can’t be something you would want associated with your company.

  65. avatar
    Rickey March 6, 2013 at 9:16 pm #

    Reality Check:
    A small followup on my conversation with Mr. xxxx at Acxiom. He asked me if I had discussed this situation on my radio show. I said that yes I had mentioned it briefly on my last show. He seemed concerned about the bad publicity from this IMO. I think he is correct to be concerned. Having agoober Birther from Alabama use your data to smear the President wrongly can’t be something you would want associated with your company.

    I have never used Acxiom, but you have to jump through hoops to establish an account with LexisNexis. We had to produce our private investigation license and letters of recommendation from several of the law firms and insurance companies who hire us. Then of course we had to sign an agreement which states that our account is subject to revocation if we violate the terms of service.

    I wonder who is paying for Hendershot’s searches. They aren’t free.

  66. avatar
    Loggie March 7, 2013 at 1:06 pm #

    A couple of years ago, I looked at Orly’s court evidence that president Obama had 39 Social Security numbers. It came from the Nexus database. There were actually over 100 of them that clearly related to a variation on Barack Obama’s name. My favorite was “Barry Obunga”.. Over a dozen listed addresses.. White House was on several of them.
    I assumed she just counted just the ones that got his name correctly spelled.

    Point being, there’s a lot of garbage in these databases. It is useful in a broad search, but as reliable proof? Not really..

  67. avatar
    Plantmaster March 7, 2013 at 11:37 pm #

    Donna LS: This is my reply to Dr. Conspiracy on The Obama Hustle…No offence, but I don’t give a [obscenity deleted] what Brietbart has to say. I can gurantee that they have no databases to pull skp tracing data like I can. Now, if you want me to prove the validity of my databases, shoot me in an email your name, and address and I will skip trace you and show you what I can pull on you, your family, your neighbors and so on. I am not being a smat-ass in any way towards you, but I can show you how accurate these databases can be. You would be amazed at what I could find on you.”

    A lot like Bob Gard’s superior research skills, no doubt…a lot of wind, but no sail…

  68. avatar
    Majority Will March 8, 2013 at 5:21 am #

    Plantmaster:
    Donna LS: This is my reply to Dr. Conspiracy on The Obama Hustle…No offence, but I don’t give a [obscenity deleted] what Brietbart has to say. I can gurantee that they have no databases to pull skp tracing data like I can. Now, if you want me to prove the validity of my databases, shoot me in an email your name, and address and I will skip trace you and show you what I can pull on you, your family, your neighbors and so on. I am not being a smat-ass in any way towards you, but I can show you how accurate these databases can be. You would be amazed at what I could find on you.”

    A lot like Bob Gard’s superior research skills, no doubt…a lot of wind, but no sail…

    Or a lot of wind and all smell.

  69. avatar
    donna March 8, 2013 at 9:29 am #

    Loggie:

    birther Sankey list of properties associated with obama and family including various SSNs all over the country – i opine these were campaign offices and perhaps the SSNs were for those who contracted for the properties ….. others ….. jokes – obama wouldn’t have given staffers his SSN

    http://obamacom.blogspot.com/2010/06/list-of-properties-and-social-security.html

  70. avatar
    JD Reed March 8, 2013 at 10:22 am #

    Plantmaster:
    Donna LS: This is my reply to Dr. Conspiracy on The Obama Hustle…No offence, but I don’t give a [obscenity deleted] what Brietbart has to say. I can gurantee that they have no databases to pull skp tracing data like I can. Now, if you want me to prove the validity of my databases, shoot me in an email your name, and address and I will skip trace you and show you what I can pull on you, your family, your neighbors and so on. I am not being a smat-ass in any way towards you, but I can show you how accurate these databases can be. You would be amazed at what I could find on you.”

    A lot like Bob Gard’s superior research skills, no doubt…a lot of wind, but no sail…

    Why don’t you stick to the most recent matter here concerning skip-tracing, the sudden appearance of “Barry Soetoro” in 2010, and show how this could possibly be authentic. Just because you boast of skip-tracing skills regarding matters that have nothing to do with this particular subject, doesn’t mean beans. Put up or …

  71. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 9, 2013 at 9:07 am #

    The Court postponed hearings on outstanding motions in Grinols for April 18, including motions to dismiss.

    I see this as bad for Taitz.

  72. avatar
    Jim March 9, 2013 at 10:24 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:

    I see this as bad for Taitz.

    Which she will spin as good for her and send more money!

  73. avatar
    Rickey March 11, 2013 at 11:09 pm #

    Orly’s motions for a default judgment against Obama and a stay of the proceedings have been denied. The highlights:

    “Plaintiffs filed their initial Complaint on December 13, 2012. (ECF No. 2.) The
    Plaintiffs made attempts to serve their first complaint on President Obama. (ECF
    Nos. 49 and 62.) Plaintiffs filed an Amended Complaint on February 11, 2103. (ECF
    No. 69.) The docket lacks any evidence that Plaintiffs attempted to serve any
    Defendants the Amended Complaint. Despite Plaintiffs’ attempts, they have failed to
    serve President Obama.”

    Judge England then provides Orly with a primer on how to effect proper service, followed by:

    “Default judgment would be inappropriate here because there is no evidence that
    Plaintiffs properly served President Obama. Until Plaintiffs perfect service, the Court
    does not have jurisdiction over President Obama. Therefore, Plaintiffs’ Motion for
    Default Judgment is DENIED. (ECF No. 64.) Plaintiffs’ request to stay the proceedings
    is also DENIED.”

    http://ia601604.us.archive.org/23/items/gov.uscourts.caed.248085/gov.uscourts.caed.248085.92.0.pdf

  74. avatar
    The Magic M March 12, 2013 at 5:24 am #

    Rickey: the Court
    does not have jurisdiction over President Obama

    This (out of context) quote will probably make it into birther lore as “courts admit Obama is above the law”.

  75. avatar
    The Magic M March 12, 2013 at 5:34 am #

    Orly’s special gift is that she doesn’t just mess up service, she messes up royally.

    Quoting the order:

    On January 4, 2013, Plaintiffs filed an “Affidavit of Process Server” which stated
    “[l]egal documents received by Same Day Process Service, Inc. on 12/22/2012 at
    10:00 AM to be served upon Barack Hussein Obama

    So Orly didn’t just prove she messed up service (by serving the AG instead of Obama personally), she also proved she didn’t even serve the AG (because the affidavit effectively says “we are going to serve”, not “we served”).
    I wonder which “process server” makes useless affidavits of that kind.

    On the “Same Day Process Service Inc.” site it says:

    Process servers access the software on an Android Smartphone, take a photo of the residence or business address, GPS latitude and longitude are recorded!

    And all they give Orly is a lousy affidavit stating “we received documents TO BE SERVED”?

    I get the feeling Orly either never used SDPS or filed the wrong document (because if she used SDPS, she sure as hell would’ve gotten proper proof of service from them) – and I can’t believe she didn’t do that on purpose.

  76. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 12, 2013 at 8:45 am #

    The reason for this curiously-worded affidavit, I think, is to mislead the court.

    On January 3, Taitz stated, and gave her word as an officer of the court in the hearing before Judge England that the defendants, including Obama, had been served, and that the President was served in his personal capacity as a candidate.

    In fact, they had not. Same Day Process Servers did serve the Federal Defendants, but not until the day after, January 4. This is the affidavit that Taitz filed on January 4:

    Legal documents received by Same Day Process Service, Inc. on 12/22/2012 at 10:00 AM to be served upon Barack Hussein Obama a/k/a Barack (Barry) Soetoro, a/k/a Barack (Barry) Obama Soebarkah; Joseph Biden in his Capacity as President of the Senate; The Electoral College; United States Congress; by serving U.S. Department of Justice, at 950 Pennsylvania Ave., NW , Washington; DC, 20530

    I, Daniel Williams, swear and affirm that on January 04, 2013 at 3:59 PM, I did the following:

    Served Government Agency by delivering a conformed copy of this Attachment; Notice of Electronic Filing; Summons in a Civil Action; Complaint; Motion for Temporary Restraining Order; TRO Checklist; Notice of Electronic Filing; Exhibits to DAVID BURROUGHS as Authorized Agent at 950 Pennsylvania Ave., NW , Washington, DC 20530 of the government agency and informing that person of the contents of the documents.

    This not only shows that she lied to the court when claiming that she had served the Federal Defendants on January 3, but also that President Obama was served through the Justice Department, and not in his personal capacity.

    The Magic M: I get the feeling Orly either never used SDPS or filed the wrong document (because if she used SDPS, she sure as hell would’ve gotten proper proof of service from them) – and I can’t believe she didn’t do that on purpose.

  77. avatar
    Rickey March 12, 2013 at 10:40 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    The reason for this curiously-worded affidavit, I think, is to mislead the court.

    On January 3, Taitz stated, and gave her word as an officer of the court in the hearing before Judge England that the defendants, including Obama, had been served, and that the President was served in his personal capacity as a candidate.

    In fact, they had not. Same Day Process Servers did serve the Federal Defendants, but not until the day after, January 4. This is the affidavit that Taitz filed on January 4:

    This not only shows that she lied to the court when claiming that she had served the Federal Defendants on January 3, but also that President Obama was served through the Justice Department, and not in his personal capacity.

    I’m fairly certain that Orly never told Same Day Process Servers that President Obama was being sued in his personal capacity. They seem to be experienced process servers and I am sure that they have served Federal government officials many times, so they should know the rules.

    The other curious thing is that Same Day received the Summons and Complaint on 12/22/12 but didn’t get around to serving it until two weeks later. I suspect that Orly didn’t want to spend any money and she probably paid “routine handling” rates. Note that she used Tracy Fair to serve some of her unenforceable subpoenas to members of Congress, and Tracy probably did it for the low, low price of free.

  78. avatar
    J.D. Sue March 12, 2013 at 4:03 pm #

    As for her lying in court to Judge England about service, I have some memory of reading that transcript and getting annoyed at her effort to snow the judge while trying to avoid an outright lie–If I recall correctly, she kept telling the Judge that she had already paid the process server while she avoided telling the Judge whether the paid process server had actually effected service. I have no doubt the Judge caught this game playing, but he simply reminded her that her testimony had no bearing–only a sworn affidavit of the process server would do. I have a hunch that she played a similar game with Judge Guilford regarding the so-called discovery sanction.

    This kind of lying by confusion is easily caught among judges and lawyers, and of course it is really bad form. I think it’s kind of like trying to snow a mathematician or programmer–the mind has been trained to quickly pick up on the imprecision and faulty logic.

  79. avatar
    G March 12, 2013 at 11:00 pm #

    Good analogy!

    J.D. Sue: This kind of lying by confusion is easily caught among judges and lawyers, and of course it is really bad form. I think it’s kind of like trying to snow a mathematician or programmer–the mind has been trained to quickly pick up on the imprecision and faulty logic.