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Ramblin’ screed

Ramblin’ screed, ramblin’ screed
Why you ramble, without need
Wild and windblown, that’s how you’ve grown
Who can stomach a ramblin’ screed?

While I like to think myself above the baser pleasures of life, I must admit a sense of satisfaction reading the Alabama Democratic Party’s amicus response in the case of McInnish v. Chapman and the phrase therein that is this article’s title. Referring to Mike Zullo’s latest affidavit, insinuated into the case by Appellants, they said:

…the ADP assumes that it is unnecessary to further address whether this Court should consider the rambling screed that passes for an “affidavit” attached to the Appellants’ Motion to Strike. Virtually none of the information contained in the affidavit is admissible or credible…. The “affidavit” is inadmissible on its face and is composed of hearsay, speculation, and unsupported conclusions.

You can read the rest of that scintillating document here. There’s just so much more gravitas and validity when the Alabama Democratic Party says something, than when I say it.

While most of the non-technical concepts in the ADP response might have been found in comments here, they make one observation that I didn’t:

The ADP notes that the affiant signed the “affidavit” solely in his personal capacity and without any title, even an imaginary one.

That seems significant to me because it undermines the Appellant’s argument that Zullo’s investigation is somehow “official.”

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120 Responses to Ramblin’ screed

  1. avatar
    richCares May 21, 2013 at 1:16 am #

    “Mike Zullo’s latest affidavit…”
    correction
    Mike Zullo’s latest daffydavit

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    CarlOrcas May 21, 2013 at 1:29 am #

    Doc writes: “That seems significant to me because it undermines the Appellant’s argument that Zullo’s investigation is somehow “official.”

    Since Zullo has no “official” capacity he would have been committing perjury to state he did in this filing. He may be crazy but he’s not stupid.

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    Rickey May 21, 2013 at 1:56 am #

    CarlOrcas:
    Doc writes: “That seems significant to me because it undermines the Appellant’s argument that Zullo’s investigation is somehow “official.”

    The ADP certainly has shredded any argument that an “official source” has provided the Alabama SOS with any credible information that Obama was ineligible. As I stated previously, Arpaio’s Junior G-Men have no official standing to report a traffic violation to the State of Alabama.

  4. avatar
    misha marinsky May 21, 2013 at 2:33 am #

    CarlOrcas: Since Zullo has no “official” capacity he would have been committing perjury to state he did in this filing.

    Which is why Shurf Joe called a presser, rather than going to a grand jury. It’s all regurgitated hearsay.

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    CarlOrcas May 21, 2013 at 2:43 am #

    Rickey: Arpaio’s Junior G-Men have no official standing to report a traffic violation to the State of Alabama.

    They have no standing to report a traffic violation anywhere!!

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    CarlOrcas May 21, 2013 at 2:46 am #

    misha marinsky: Which is why Shurf Joe called a presser, rather than going to a grand jury. It’s all regurgitated hearsay.

    Tis true. But just to clarify…..a Sheriff (Joe or otherwise) In Arizona has no authority to take a case to a grand jury or to file charges. He first has to convince the County Attorney he has a case. And, as we know, the last prosecutors who carried Arpaio’s water lost their law licenses and are flippin’ burgers now.

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    G May 21, 2013 at 2:52 am #

    Agreed.

    Really, the only “development” in Birtherland this year is that its remaining adherents are simply becoming more incoherent and incompetent in their lunatic screeds. That’s about all they’ve accomplished – a furthering of their own mental breakdowns…

    richCares: correction
    Mike Zullo’s latest daffydavit

  8. avatar
    Lupin May 21, 2013 at 4:35 am #

    G: Really, the only “development” in Birtherland this year is that its remaining adherents are simply becoming more incoherent and incompetent in their lunatic screeds. That’s about all they’ve accomplished – a furthering of their own mental breakdowns…

    Isn’t that the very definition of insanity: redoubling your efforts etc.?

  9. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 21, 2013 at 7:02 am #

    I say that, but then sometimes I get surprised.

    CarlOrcas: He may be crazy but he’s not stupid.

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    john May 21, 2013 at 7:10 am #

    A silly ADP response. The ADP now admits that Sheriff Arpaio is not a “real’ sheriff. They deny the existence of Arpaio ‘s COLD Case Posse. They simply deny and refuse to acknowledge the underlying facts of the affidavitt.

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    Dr. Conspiracy May 21, 2013 at 7:15 am #

    That’s just the problem. Beyond the narrative of what Zullo himself did, the affidavit isn’t factual, nor is Zullo competent to testify to it.

    john: A silly ADP response. The ADP now admits that Sheriff Arpaio is not a “real’ sheriff. They deny the existence of Arpaio ‘s COLD Case Posse. They simply deny and refuse to acknowledge the underlying facts of the affidavitt (sic) .

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    john May 21, 2013 at 7:17 am #

    Will Klayman get to respond. He could have a field day with this dribble.

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    Northland10 May 21, 2013 at 7:44 am #

    john:
    They simply deny and refuse to acknowledge the underlying facts…

    Sort of like that underlying fact that Hawaii has confirmed Obama was born there?

  14. avatar
    bovril May 21, 2013 at 7:54 am #

    john: A silly ADP response. The ADP now admits that Sheriff Arpaio is not a “real’ sheriff. They deny the existence of Arpaio ‘s COLD Case Posse. They simply deny and refuse to acknowledge the underlying facts of the affidavitt.

    John,

    Now you do grasp that this is an ALABAMA case and that Piehole is a sherrif in ANOTHER state?

    So, guess what, neither Piehole or any of his (not actually legally recognized as law enforcement) posse members have any OFFICIAL or LEGAL standing in ALABAMA.

    As such they have no legal standing, no authorities and are simply another racist schmuck with a poor attitude, bad mental hygiene and a terminal case of stupid.

  15. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG May 21, 2013 at 8:51 am #

    In other words: “I wouldn’t wipe my ass with it, let alone declare it admissible!”

  16. avatar
    BamaLaw May 21, 2013 at 9:25 am #

    “Rambling Screed” would be a great name for a band.

  17. avatar
    Hermitian May 21, 2013 at 9:39 am #

    Does anybody have a link to the 9-page Plaintiff’s “Reply Brief” that is referenced in the ADP Reply to Plaintiff’s Motion to Strike (the ADP Amicus Brief)? It was purported to have been filed on May 14, 2013, the same day that the Plaintiff’s filed their Motion to Strike.

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    Benji Franklin May 21, 2013 at 9:42 am #

    john: A silly ADP response. The ADP now admits that Sheriff Arpaio is not a “real’ sheriff. They deny the existence of Arpaio ‘s COLD Case Posse. They simply deny and refuse to acknowledge the underlying facts of the affidavitt.

    There’s a social contract in our civil society that compels people of good will to admit when they are wrong and have lost a debate, even to persons holding vastly differing opinions. You don’t have the intellectual integrity to do that in this case. Instead, you commit the transgression that would make civilized interaction impossible for everyone – you place your own opinion about a disputable condition above that of the controlling and deciding entities designated legally to decide and settle such disputes in the collective interest of society, as was intended by the Framers. So you pretend to have the right to preemptively decide what the Framers intended, or what the laws “really” mean, or what the “facts” really are, instead of honoring the decisions made by the lawful authorities. At every juncture, you pretend to have some privileged perspective on the issue being discussed that asserts that your personal opinion is the just law of the land. You, John, are an anarchist, and your ongoing denials of the reality here which consists of longstanding authoritative consistent legal opinions and the agreeing overwhelming consensus view of society, are essentially just the extended pseudo-intellectual tantrum of a creep who can’t admit that he’s a loser.

  19. avatar
    alg May 21, 2013 at 10:35 am #

    john:
    A silly ADP response.The ADP now admits that Sheriff Arpaio is not a “real’ sheriff.They deny the existence of Arpaio ‘s COLD Case Posse.They simply deny and refuse to acknowledge the underlying facts of the affidavitt.

    John, none of this hyperventilating and tilting at windmills matters. What matters is that the State of Hawaii has, on multiple occasions, officially affirmed that Mr. Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii in August of 1961.

    In addition, State officials have officially verified and certified that the long form birth certificate posted on the White House website is accurate and authentic.

    Nothing else is required. No court anywhere in the country would require anything else. Cummander Zullo’s assidavit is a worthless piece of garbage. Sheriff Joe knows this, which is why he’s no longer involved and has distanced himself from Defective Zullo. Sheriff Joe stopped giving press conferences on this subject a year ago.

  20. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG May 21, 2013 at 10:47 am #

    Birtherism is starting to eat itself. Just look at the shots Orly and Birther report are firing at each other.

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    misha marinsky May 21, 2013 at 11:30 am #

    john: They simply deny and refuse to acknowledge the underlying facts of the affidavitt.

    I swore in a affidavit that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl. It’s up to Glenn Beck to prove he did not.

    I swore in an affidavit that Mitt Romney strangled a girl in 1987. It’s Romney’s duty to prove he did not.

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    misha marinsky May 21, 2013 at 11:31 am #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:Birtherism is starting to eat itself. Just look at the shots Orly and Birther report are firing at each other.

    Yeah. Popcorn.

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    Rickey May 21, 2013 at 11:48 am #

    john:
    They deny the existence of Arpaio ‘s COLD Case Posse.

    I see that your reading deficits have kicked in again.

    The ADP does not deny the existence of the Cold Case Posse. The ADP merely points out that the Cold Case Posse has no legal authority. In fact, Zullo signed his affidavit as a private citizen, not as a member of a law enforcement agency.

    Maybe you should ask your hero Joe Arpaio why he didn’t submit an affidavit.

  24. avatar
    G May 21, 2013 at 12:15 pm #

    Indeed! Well said.

    Benji Franklin: There’s a social contract in our civil society that compels people of good will to admit when they are wrong and have lost a debate, even to persons holding vastly differing opinions. You don’t have the intellectual integrity to do that in this case. Instead, you commit the transgression that would make civilized interaction impossible for everyone – you place your own opinion about a disputable condition above that of the controlling and deciding entities designated legally to decide and settle such disputes in the collective interest of society, as was intended by the Framers. So you pretend to have the right to preemptively decide what the Framers intended, or what the laws “really” mean, or what the “facts” really are, instead of honoring the decisions made by the lawful authorities. At every juncture, you pretend to have some privileged perspective on the issue being discussed that asserts that your personal opinion is the just law of the land. You, John, are an anarchist, and your ongoing denials of the reality here which consists of longstanding authoritative consistent legal opinions and the agreeing overwhelming consensus view of society, are essentially just the extended pseudo-intellectual tantrum of a creep who can’t admit that he’s a loser.

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    Thinker May 21, 2013 at 12:18 pm #

    Hermitian is the “forgery of a forgery” guy. I wonder what he has to say about the footnote that points out that a pdf of a certified document is not a new version of the document itself, just like a photo of a baby is not a new version of the baby itself.

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    donna May 21, 2013 at 1:08 pm #

    Benji Franklin: You, John, are an anarchist, and your ongoing denials of the reality here which consists of longstanding authoritative consistent legal opinions and the agreeing overwhelming consensus view of society, are essentially just the extended pseudo-intellectual tantrum of a creep who can’t admit that he’s a loser.

    isn’t that the definition of “confirmation bias”? Confirmation biases contribute to overconfidence in personal beliefs and can maintain or strengthen beliefs in the face of contrary evidence. ……….. people show confirmation bias because they are weighing up the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way. (wiki)

  27. avatar
    CarlOrcas May 21, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

    john:
    Will Klayman get to respond.He could have a field day with this dribble.

    Any day now.

  28. avatar
    Rickey May 21, 2013 at 3:19 pm #

    john:
    Will Klayman get to respond.He could have a field day with this dribble.

    Dribble? Are they playing a game of basketball?

    The word you are searching for is drivel. Look it up, because it describes most of what you write.

  29. avatar
    Rickey May 21, 2013 at 3:34 pm #

    donna:
    Benji Franklin:You, John, are an anarchist, and your ongoing denials of the reality here which consists of longstanding authoritative consistent legal opinions and the agreeing overwhelming consensus view of society, are essentially just the extended pseudo-intellectual tantrum of a creep who can’t admit that he’s a loser.

    isn’t that the definition of “confirmation bias”? Confirmation biases contribute to overconfidence in personal beliefs and can maintain or strengthen beliefs in the face of contrary evidence. ……….. people show confirmation bias because they are weighing up the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way. (wiki)

    I can’t reveal John’s real name, but you should see his Facebook page. He falls for every right-wing myth he hears. The government is buying up all the ammunition so oridinary citizens won’t have any? Dick Morris says it is true, so John believes it. He believes that Obots are terrified about what Roy Moore might do in Alabama. He believes every bit of nonsense which comes from the mouth of Mike Zullo.

    John is totally devoid of critical thinking skills. He has been told time and again that even if Klayman were to win the Alabama appeal, it would change nothing. John has been told that Klayman is a deadbeat dad with a string of failed lawsuits to his credit, but John doesn’t care. All that John cares about is getting Obama out of office.

  30. avatar
    Hermitian May 21, 2013 at 4:59 pm #

    Hermitian: Does anybody have a link to the 9-page Plaintiff’s “Reply Brief” that is referenced in the ADP Reply to Plaintiff’s Motion to Strike (the ADP Amicus Brief)? It was purported to have been filed on May 14, 2013, the same day that the Plaintiff’s filed their Motion to Strike.

    I found it myself. The ADP responded to the Plaintiff’s “Reply Brief” and also to the Plaintiff’s motion to strike the ADP Amicus brief.

    Now the ADP is claiming (in their muddled response brief) that they were always a party to the case from the gitgo.

    So why did they have to seek the court’s permission to file the ADP Amicus brief?

    Do the ADP lawyers even know what they are doing?

  31. avatar
    misha marinsky May 21, 2013 at 5:50 pm #

    Rickey: All that John cares about is getting Obama out of office.

    Jason Chaffetz Doubles Down On Possible Obama Impeachment: ‘I’m Not A Patient Person’

    President Barack Obama could possibly face impeachment over his administration’s handling of the Sept. 11, 2012, anniversary attack in Benghazi, Libya, Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) repeated in an interview with National Review published Monday.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/20/jason-chaffetz-obama-impeachment_n_3308721.html

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    Hermitian May 21, 2013 at 7:13 pm #

    Thinker: Hermitian is the “forgery of a forgery” guy. I wonder what he has to say about the footnote that points out that a pdf of a certified document is not a new version of the document itself, just like a photo of a baby is not a new version of the baby itself.

    You must mean this footnote:

    _______________________________________________
    “4 The curious suggestion that the copy of the President’s
    birth certificate attached to ADP’s brief is somehow a “new
    version” reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of the
    difference between a document and a scanned photocopy of
    that document. Just like a photograph of a baby is not a
    “new version” of the real baby, a scanned photocopy of a
    document is not a “new version” of that document.”

    But there is irrefutable proof that the WH LFCOLB PDF is not a scan of any paper document. The WH PDF was exhaustively examined by many experts who all concluded that the document was digitally created by a human using graphics software on a computer. This WH PDF image has the Green basket-weave safety paper background.

    Per the same ADP brief, the new LFCOLB PDF image was downloaded from the internet.

    “Although a certified copy of the President’s birth certificate is self—authenticating under
    Ala.R.Evid. 902, the scanned photocopy of the President’s birth certificate attached to the ADP brief was downloaded from the Internet, without seeking any certification from
    Hawaiian officials.”

    The source of this new LFCOLB PDF “downloaded” image is not cited. This image is therefore also not a scan of a paper document for evidentiary purposes because there is no identified chain of custody to a paper document. This new image is also entirely unlike the WH PDF image. For example the entire image is binary Black&White. However there is also a Grayscale version of this same image on the internet. This Grayscale image is JPEG format.

    None of these Obama LFCOLB images show any evidence that they were produced by scanning a paper document.

    Consequently the footnote that you cited is totally irrelevant.

  33. avatar
    Bamalaw May 21, 2013 at 9:20 pm #

    What about the poor baby? We’ve taken thousands of photographs of him. Are you saying babies don’t matter?

    Oh, and besides just lying about all these “experts” saying that the PDF is not a scan of a paper document, that is precisely what the great State of Hawaii says they certify to be true: that a paper document exists and the copies are all true and correct. End of story, baby.

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    JPotter May 21, 2013 at 10:17 pm #

    Hermitian: there is irrefutable proof

    Until presented, your “it’s so irrefutable it doesn’t even exist” proof does jack. It appears to be trapped in your skull (still!).

    Said footnote is completely relevant. Keep diggin’ Herms, it keep you busy and off the streets …. if not off the webs.

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    Hermitian May 21, 2013 at 10:20 pm #

    Bamalaw: Oh, and besides just lying about all these “experts” saying that the PDF is not a scan of a paper document, that is precisely what the great State of Hawaii says they certify to be true: that a paper document exists and the copies are all true and correct. End of story, baby.

    Except HDOH has never verified that the WH LFCOLB PDF image is an exact duplicate copy of Obama’s original Kapiolani hospital generated, long-form birth certificate.

  36. avatar
    Hermitian May 21, 2013 at 10:35 pm #

    JPotter: Hermitian: there is irrefutable proof
    Until presented, your “it’s so irrefutable it doesn’t even exist” proof does jack. It appears to be trapped in your skull (still!).
    Said footnote is completely relevant. Keep diggin’ Herms, it keep you busy and off the streets …. if not off the webs.

    Patience JPot. The wheels will come off your Obot wagon in two weeks.

    You Obots cannot prove that the WH PDF image is an exact duplicate copy of an original hospital generated birth certificate.

    And no one at the HDOH will ever verify it’s authenticity because they did not produce the WH PDF image.

    Let’s see the two certified paper copies that Fuddy produced for Obama. These copies would have the Hawaii State seal impression and the registrar’s date and signature stamps in Black ink.

  37. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 21, 2013 at 10:55 pm #

    Your saying this has no consequence, since a) it will not happen and b) you will just move the goal posts again rather than rethink your position.

    Hermitian: Patience JPot. The wheels will come off your Obot wagon in two weeks.

  38. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 21, 2013 at 10:56 pm #

    Why should I need to prove this?

    Hermitian: You Obots cannot prove that the WH PDF image is an exact duplicate copy of an original hospital generated birth certificate.

  39. avatar
    CarlOrcas May 21, 2013 at 11:22 pm #

    Hermitian: The wheels will come off your Obot wagon in two weeks.

    Tell us…..exactly what is going to happen in two weeks?

  40. avatar
    CarlOrcas May 21, 2013 at 11:28 pm #

    Hermitian: Let’s see the two certified paper copies that Fuddy produced for Obama. These copies would have the Hawaii State seal impression and the registrar’s date and signature stamps in Black ink.

    So, Herm, how do you want to do this? Do you want the White House to deliver them to you or are you willing to to to the White House? (Be careful about going in; you might not get out!!)

    Anyway…….what are you going to look for when you have them in your hands? What are you going to tell us once you’re finished looking at them?

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    Monkey Boy May 21, 2013 at 11:36 pm #

    Hermitian: You Obots cannot prove that the WH PDF image is an exact duplicate copy of an original hospital generated birth certificate.

    Your denseness approaches that of a collapsed star–or, perhaps, it is all contrived and you are just a liar.

    It is not necessary for either the certified copies of birth verification, nor the WH produced images of those copies are required to be “exact duplicates” of the “hospital generated” birth record in order for them to genuine. Only that the information displayed on the PDFs agrees with the information on the original records. Just like you driver’s license is not an exact duplicate of the results of your driving qualification tests.

    I don’t believe that you are actually so stupid as to believe that the dribbledrivel you expound actually matters; I believe that you are just duplicitous.

  42. avatar
    misha marinsky May 21, 2013 at 11:48 pm #

    Hermitian: Let’s see the two certified paper copies that Fuddy produced for Obama.

    I took the train to the White House, and saw the actual certificates. I took a photograph, and it’s here: http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.ca/2009/09/another-kenyan-birth-certificate.html

  43. avatar
    JPotter May 21, 2013 at 11:55 pm #

    Hermitian: The wheels will come off your Obot wagon in two weeks.

    Gosh, I almost regret not keeping a detailed record of your failed deadlines, Herms. You birfers are worse than an end times cult!

  44. avatar
    CarlOrcas May 22, 2013 at 12:08 am #

    JPotter: Gosh, I almost regret not keeping a detailed record of your failed deadlines, Herms. You birfers are worse than an end times cult!

    You can stop worrying about the end of the world. According to the official (I’m sure it’s official) website – http://www.markbeast.com/endworld/when-world-end.htm – it will happen in mid-2016.

    So it looks like we have another three years of “any day now” ahead of us.

  45. avatar
    misha marinsky May 22, 2013 at 12:17 am #

    JPotter: You birfers are worse than an end times cult!

    There’s someone who parks around the corner from my building:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/ubereye/3611738524/

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    nbc May 22, 2013 at 4:40 am #

    Hermitian: Patience JPot. The wheels will come off your Obot wagon in two weeks.

    Anytime soon now… I have heard that for the last 5 years or so… Not very convincing. In two weeks, we will be laughing again a this nonsensical ‘prediction’

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    nbc May 22, 2013 at 4:42 am #

    Hermitian: You Obots cannot prove that the WH PDF image is an exact duplicate copy of an original hospital generated birth certificate.

    And no one at the HDOH will ever verify it’s authenticity because they did not produce the WH PDF image.

    And yet the verified and certified exactly that the PDF is accurate. Of course they did not produce the PDF but they certified the information as matching.

    And remember, that the burden of proof is not upon us but upon those foolishly arguing otherwise.

    Good luck my friend.. Don’t be too discouraged, it’s only 3.6 years more, assuming that Michelle won’t be running ;-)

  48. avatar
    G May 22, 2013 at 4:45 am #

    Well said!!!

    Not to mention that the HDOH and its representatives have repeatedly VOUCHED for the information displayed on his HI birth record. They have a whole area of their website devoted to saying just that. That is exactly what the letter to the AZ SOS also does as well.

    But Hermie knows all that…so yeah, he’s just another sore-loser trying to lie to himself and everyone else about reality…

    Monkey Boy: Your denseness approaches that of a collapsed star–or, perhaps, it is all contrived and you are just a liar.

    It is not necessary for either the certified copies of birth verification, nor the WH produced images of those copies are required to be “exact duplicates” of the “hospital generated” birth record in order for them to genuine. Only that the information displayed on the PDFs agrees with the information on the original records. Just like you driver’s license is not an exact duplicate of the results of your driving qualification tests.

    I don’t believe that you are actually so stupid as to believe that the dribbledrivel you expound actually matters; I believe that you are just duplicitous.

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    nbc May 22, 2013 at 4:49 am #

    Hermitian: Except HDOH has never verified that the WH LFCOLB PDF image is an exact duplicate copy of Obama’s original Kapiolani hospital generated, long-form birth certificate.

    Just that all the information on it is correct :-)…

    So what now?

  50. avatar
    bovril May 22, 2013 at 4:52 am #

    So Hermie dearest,

    When the Constitutionally sufficient holder of records at the HDoH has confirmed multiple times in legally binding form that all the content (such as but not limited to date, time and place of birth) of BOTH BC’s is accurate, how is this insufficient for any and all LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL purposes..?

    The place and year of the President birth have been confimed, he was legally born in Hawai’i, he is older than 35 and better than 14 years a resident of the USA.

    The confirmation, in the form of the BC’s (2 of) are sufficient (along with other supporting paperwork) for all legal and Constitutional purposes, such as but not limited to application and granting of a US passport.

    No actions to revoke his US citizenship have ever been undertaken by the President, no actions by his parents could perform that task (Except of course in the fertile fantasy world of Sven)

    No one has ever even intimated that the President was born of State Department recognized diplomatic personnel parents or of a soldier or officer of an invading military force.

    So, do tell, exactly what is missing apart from of course an excessive amount of bile, venom and sore loser invective..?

  51. avatar
    Hermitian May 22, 2013 at 8:04 am #

    CarlOrcas: Hermitian: Let’s see the two certified paper copies that Fuddy produced for Obama. These copies would have the Hawaii State seal impression and the registrar’s date and signature stamps in Black ink.
    So, Herm, how do you want to do this? Do you want the White House to deliver them to you or are you willing to to to the White House? (Be careful about going in; you might not get out!!)
    Anyway…….what are you going to look for when you have them in your hands? What are you going to tell us once you’re finished looking at them?

    Have Obama produce both copies to any court of competent jurisdiction.

    Then first, each copy would be examined under Black light to confirm that HDOH produced them. Then the two copies would be compared for differences. For example, the locations of the Hawaii State seal impression and the State Registrar’s date and signature stamps must be different between copies but the Black ink of each stamp must be the same.

    Then hundreds of other forensic tests would be performed by certified forensic experts who are licensed to testify as to the authenticity of paper documents containing signatures that have been photocopied.

    Then each copy would be compared to the WH LFCOLB PDF image to identify any differences between each certified copy and the PDF image.

    Then Obama is arrested and prosecuted for conspiracy to commit forgery and election fraud.

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    Dr. Conspiracy May 22, 2013 at 8:19 am #

    And what court do you think has such jurisdiction? I would point out that many have determined that they do not.

    More importantly, your procedure is a fantasy. Birthers are not swayed by evidence and the rest of us don’t have any questions. Your extreme goalpost moving exercise ignores the fundamental mental flaw that underlies conspiracy beliefs.

    Hermitian: Have Obama produce both copies to any court of competent jurisdiction.

  53. avatar
    Hermitian May 22, 2013 at 8:21 am #

    bovril: So Hermie dearest,
    When the Constitutionally sufficient holder of records at the HDoH has confirmed multiple times in legally binding form that all the content (such as but not limited to date, time and place of birth) of BOTH BC’s is accurate, how is this insufficient for any and all LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL purposes..?
    The place and year of the President birth have been confimed, he was legally born in Hawai’i, he is older than 35 and better than 14 years a resident of the USA.
    The confirmation, in the form of the BC’s (2 of) are sufficient (along with other supporting paperwork) for all legal and Constitutional purposes, such as but not limited to application and granting of a US passport.
    No actions to revoke his US citizenship have ever been undertaken by the President, no actions by his parents could perform that task (Except of course in the fertile fantasy world of Sven)
    No one has ever even intimated that the President was born of State Department recognized diplomatic personnel parents or of a soldier or officer of an invading military force.
    So, do tell, exactly what is missing apart from of course an excessive amount of bile, venom and sore loser invective.

    To intentionally produce a fraudulent identity document is a felony.

    The possession of counterfeit certifying seals and stamps is a felony.

    To counterfeit the embossed seal impressions and inked stamp impressions is a felony.

    To conspire to carry out any of the above criminal acts is a felony.

  54. avatar
    Hermitian May 22, 2013 at 8:29 am #

    The “upside down pica 8″ in the two digit date stamp on Obama’s Selective Service Application card is evidence of forgery of a document signed by Obama himself.

  55. avatar
    John Reilly May 22, 2013 at 8:31 am #

    Hermitian has proved once again a complete lack of any rational understanding.

    There is no court of competent jurisdiction. The American people, the Electoral College and Congress decide. They have decided. It’s over. And in Congress, no one objected. It just takes two, one representative and one senator, to start a debate. Birthers got zero. Now the only way toi get Pres. Obama out is by impeachment, and no one has introduced such a bill.

    Moreover, the procedure suggested is just nuts. Hundreds of forensic tests? Are there even hundreds of different forensic tests possible? And why would we do that with a document certified by the State of Hawaii. The only question if this silliness ever got anywhere is whether Pres. Obama was born in Hawaii more than 35 years ago. Hawaii says so. If a court of competent jurisdiction looked at it, the introduction of one certified copy would end the debate.

    Keep it up Hermie. Let us know when you return to a reality-based existence.

  56. avatar
    Thinker May 22, 2013 at 8:47 am #

    Ding ding ding! Of course they didn’t. This is why the birfer quest to prove the pdf is a forgery is so stupid. It’s not an actual document certified by the HDOH. It’s a pixelated image created by the White House. This is also why Alvin Onaka has certified the information on the pdf, but not the pdf itself. He doesn’t have any personal knowledge about the creation of the pdf. He didn’t create it, nor was it created under his supervision, nor did he certify it.

    If Barack Obama is ever required to produce a birth certificate to prove the circumstances of his birth, you know, if he wants to coach little league or something, he will produce a certified copy of the short form. Affidavits by scanner salesmen, Noah’s Ark searchers, and various and sundry clearly biased and clearly unqualified internet trolls regarding a pdf of the long form don’t provide anything near the level of doubt that would be required for a court or little league manager to question the veracity of a certified copy of the short form. Your fantasies about forensic examination of the long form are just that, fantasies.

    Birfers will never, ever win. Ever. Never. No winning for birfers. Ever.

    Hermitian:
    And no one at the HDOH will ever verify it’s authenticity because they did not produce the WH PDF image.

  57. avatar
    John Reilly May 22, 2013 at 9:05 am #

    Thinker:
    Ding ding ding! Of course they didn’t. This is why the birfer quest to prove the pdf is a forgery is so stupid. It’s not an actual document certified by the HDOH. It’s a pixelated image created by the White House. This is also why Alvin Onaka has certified the information on the pdf, but not the pdf itself. He doesn’t have any personal knowledge about the creation of the pdf. He didn’t create it, nor was it created under his supervision, nor did he certify it.

    If Barack Obama is ever required to produce a birth certificate to prove the circumstances of his birth, you know, if he wants to coach little league or something, he will produce a certified copy of the short form. Affidavits by scanner salesmen, Noah’s Ark searchers, and various and sundry clearly biased and clearly unqualified internet trolls regarding a pdf of the long form don’t provide anything near the level of doubt that would be required for a court or little league manager to question the veracity of a certified copy of the short form. Your fantasies about forensic examination of the long form are just that, fantasies.

    Birfers will never, ever win. Ever. Never. No winning for birfers. Ever.

    Thinker, I respectfully dissent. Hermitian is wrong for so many reasons, but, in fact, the Hawaii Department of Health refers to the posted PDF on the White House web site. Hermie’s delusional belief that Hawaii will never verify the PDF authenticity is false. And given what Hawaii said to Secretary of State Bennett, Hawaii would most likely certify the information on the PDF if asked.

  58. avatar
    Scientist May 22, 2013 at 9:09 am #

    Hermitian: Then each copy would be compared to the WH LFCOLB PDF image to identify any differences between each certified copy and the PDF image.

    Then Obama is arrested and prosecuted for conspiracy to commit forgery and election fraud.

    So you are saying that any variations from the original paper document produced by scanning software constitutes a crime? If so, then it’s the CEO of Adobe who would go to jail, isn’t it?

  59. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 22, 2013 at 9:58 am #

    Hermitian: Then each copy would be compared to the WH LFCOLB PDF image to identify any differences between each certified copy and the PDF image.

    Do you understand how incredibly stupid you sound henry? The DOH has verified the information contained on the pdf matches what is on the original held within the DOH vault. What would be the point of forging a document that contained the exact same information as the original what purpose does that serve? Birthers can’t actually address the content of the document which is why they go on and on about layers and kerning and other crap which has nothing to do with the content of the document which is what matters.

  60. avatar
    Majority Will May 22, 2013 at 10:05 am #

    “Then hundreds of other forensic tests would be performed by certified forensic experts who are licensed to testify as to the authenticity of paper documents containing signatures that have been photocopied.”

    Like Mara Zebest who has no actual forensic document examination qualifications or any input other than the smarmy, irrelevant opinions of a heavily biased political enemy?

  61. avatar
    Majority Will May 22, 2013 at 10:08 am #

    Hermitian: Then Obama is arrested and prosecuted for conspiracy to commit forgery and election fraud.

    It must be exhausting typing with one hand and fantasizing like that but you should probably back away from the keyboard and go outside for awhile.

  62. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 22, 2013 at 10:34 am #

    Hermitian: You Obots cannot prove that the WH PDF image is an exact duplicate copy of an original hospital generated birth certificate.
    And no one at the HDOH will ever verify it’s authenticity because they did not produce the WH PDF image.

    So maybe you can explain why the link to the white house PDF is on this website created by the DOH

    http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

    If they thought something was wrong with the pdf why would they link to it?

    [quote]Frequently Asked Questions about Vital Records of President Barack Hussein Obama II

    On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.
    For information go to http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate

    Hawaii Health Department Grants President Obama’s Request for Certified Copies of ‘Long Form’ Birth Certificate

    President Obama’s letter to the Hawaii State Department of Health and the Director of Health’s response

    Department of Health’s policy on the issuance of certified copies of vital records
    [/quote]

  63. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 22, 2013 at 10:36 am #

    The problem with that is that the “8″ is not upside down, far from it. If you turn the form upside down, you will easily see how funny it looks and what a real upside-down “8″ looks like.

    However, if the document is a forgery, then how do you know who signed it? Obama didn’t release that document, the Bush Selective Service did.

    Hermitian: The “upside down pica 8″ in the two digit date stamp on Obama’s Selective Service Application card is evidence of forgery of a document signed by Obama himself.

  64. avatar
    CarlOrcas May 22, 2013 at 10:39 am #

    Good morning Herm,

    So many points, so many questions. It’s early so let me keep drinking my coffee and work on your message a point at a time.

    Hermitian: Have Obama produce both copies to any court of competent jurisdiction.

    What court would that be? What about all the courts that have already looked at the whole question of Obama’s eligibility?

    Hermitian: Then first, each copy would be examined under Black light to confirm that HDOH produced them.

    Exactly what do you expect to see – “under black light” – that would confirm Hawaii produced the documents? Seems to me that since the whole process involves off the shelf supplies, equipment and software that it would be impossible to determine who produced the copy being examined. How will that work, Herm?

    Hermitian: Then the two copies would be compared for differences. For example, the locations of the Hawaii State seal impression and the State Registrar’s date and signature stamps must be different between copies but the Black ink of each stamp must be the same.

    Why does the “Black ink” have to be the same? You don’t think Hawaii can afford more than one stamp or stamp pad?

    Hermitian: Then hundreds of other forensic tests would be performed by certified forensic experts who are licensed to testify as to the authenticity of paper documents containing signatures that have been photocopied.

    Who certifies and licenses these “forensic experts” in the area of authenticating “paper documents containing signatures that have been photocopied”? This is a little confusing: Are the “hundreds of tests” aimed at authenticating the documents or the copied signatures or………or what? And how will they do it?

    Hermitian: Then each copy would be compared to the WH LFCOLB PDF image to identify any differences between each certified copy and the PDF image.

    I believe a number of people have already done that, haven’t they? What do you think your “certified” and “licensed” experts will find with their “hundreds of other forensic tests”? But wait…..wouldn’t we expect there to be differences between an original and a copy? Hmm.

    Hermitian: Then Obama is arrested and prosecuted for conspiracy to commit forgery and election fraud.

    But, Herm, hasn’t the State of Hawaii said repeatedly that the information on the documents is correct and matches their records which show President Obama was born in Hawaii?

    Even, for the sake of discussion, let’s say one of the documents or images was forged by someone, somewhere, how do you get to fraud….election fraud?

    I look forward to hearing from you.

  65. avatar
    bovril May 22, 2013 at 10:41 am #

    Hermitian: To intentionally produce a fraudulent identity document is a felony.
    The possession of counterfeit certifying seals and stamps is a felony.
    To counterfeit the embossed seal impressions and inked stamp impressions is a felony.
    To conspire to carry out any of the above criminal acts is a felony.

    Hermie Honey,

    You didn’t answer the points I made, care to try again…

  66. avatar
    CarlOrcas May 22, 2013 at 10:42 am #

    Hermitian: To intentionally produce a fraudulent identity document is a felony.

    The possession of counterfeit certifying seals and stamps is a felony.

    To counterfeit the embossed seal impressions and inked stamp impressions is a felony.

    To conspire to carry out any of the above criminal acts is a felony.

    Can you provide specific citations – state and/or federal laws – so we can take a look at them?

    Thanks.

  67. avatar
    Stanislaw May 22, 2013 at 10:58 am #

    Hermitian: Patience JPot.The wheels will come off your Obot wagon in two weeks.

    Any day, now…any day, now…

  68. avatar
    MattR May 22, 2013 at 11:34 am #

    Stanislaw: Hermitian: Patience JPot.The wheels will come off your Obot wagon in two weeks.

    Any day, now…any day, now…

    Are people here familiar with the concept of The Friedman Unit? Wikipedia summarizes it as “One Friedman Unit is equal to six months, specifically the “next six months”, a period repeatedly declared by New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman to be the most critical of the then-ongoing Iraq War even though such pronouncements extended back over two and a half years.”

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    Keith May 22, 2013 at 11:40 am #

    Hermitian: You Obots cannot prove that the WH PDF image is an exact duplicate copy of an original hospital generated birth certificate.

    Who here has ever made an assertion like that that would require “proof”.

    1) Hospitals don’t generate birth certificates.
    2) It isnt even an ‘exact duplicate copy’ of the HDoH record of birth. (The birth certificate is on ‘safety paper’, the record of birth is on plain white paper).
    3) The important and relevant thing about the birth certificate is the INFORMATION contained on it. This has been verified a bazillion times.
    4) Don’t be ridiculous

  70. avatar
    Keith May 22, 2013 at 11:43 am #

    JPotter: Gosh, I almost regret not keeping a detailed record of your failed deadlines, Herms. You birfers are worse than an end times cult!

    No need to bother. H’s claims of ‘two weeks’ is just like the sign at the pub that says ‘free beer tomorrow’.

  71. avatar
    Keith May 22, 2013 at 11:52 am #

    I just want to make sure we are on the same page.

    Hermitian: To intentionally produce a fraudulent identity document is a felony.

    A birth certificate is not an identity document.

    The possession of counterfeit certifying seals and stamps is a felony.

    You are saying that the HDoH has conterfeited its own seals and stamps?

    To counterfeit the embossed seal impressions and inked stamp impressions is a felony

    .

    You are saying that authorized HDoH staff applying the HDoH seal and stamp to official documents that they are authorized to produce constitutes counterfeiting?

    To conspire to carry out any of the above criminal acts is a felony.

    You are saying that authorized HDoH staff going about doing the job the State employed them to do, in the manner prescribed by law, for the purposes provided by law, and following all the departmental processes intended to eliminate misuse and unintended actions, constitutes conspiracy to perform a conspiracy?

  72. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 22, 2013 at 11:59 am #

    Does anyone else remember the 2nd naked gun movie I think it was. There’s a scene where they’re trying to trace where a letter came from and the scientist does analysis of the paper and ends up hitting a dead end with the location of the trees it came from, he then analyzes the ink, writing structure and finds out it came from one of the local prisons. You then see a panout of the letter and at the top of it is the letterhead for the specific prison. This is pretty much how birthers think. Scrambled and illogical.

  73. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 22, 2013 at 12:18 pm #

    MattR: Are people here familiar with the concept of The Friedman Unit? Wikipedia summarizes it as “One Friedman Unit is equal to six months, specifically the “next six months”, a period repeatedly declared by New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman to be the most critical of the then-ongoing Iraq War even though such pronouncements extended back over two and a half years.”

    It’s not Hermy’s first prediction either previously on Amazon he said it would be GA then IN, then it would be that he would resign before the primary, he wouldn’t run for reelection that Romney would win in a landslide. Hermy is always counting his chickens

  74. avatar
    G May 22, 2013 at 2:24 pm #

    BINGO! Excellent summary of the reality here. I nominate what I bolded in your statement for “quote of the day”. Heck, it is worthy of being quote of the year.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    And what court do you think has such jurisdiction? I would point out that many have determined that they do not.

    More importantly, your procedure is a fantasy. Birthers are not swayed by evidence and the rest of us don’t have any questions. Your extreme goalpost moving exercise ignores the fundamental mental flaw that underlies conspiracy beliefs.

  75. avatar
    G May 22, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

    Then again…this is a good summary of Birtherism too… *chuckles* So also worthy of Quote of the Day status… ;)

    Majority Will: It must be exhausting typing with one hand and fantasizing like that but you should probably back away from the keyboard and go outside for awhile.

  76. avatar
    Majority Will May 22, 2013 at 3:07 pm #

    G:
    Then again…this is a good summary of Birtherism too… *chuckles*So also worthy of Quote of the Day status…

    The spittle mop up must take hours every day.

    (And thanks.)

  77. avatar
    Rickey May 22, 2013 at 3:11 pm #

    Hermitian:

    Now the ADP is claiming (in their muddled response brief) that they were always a party to the case from the gitgo.

    So why did they have to seek the court’s permission to file the ADP Amicus brief?

    Do the ADP lawyers even know what they are doing?

    Do you know how to read?

    The ADP has never claimed to be a “party” to the case. They said that they were an intervenor in the case from the beginning. The case caption is McInnish & Goode v. Chapman, not McInnish & Goode v. Chapman & The Alabama Democratic Party.

    Since the ADP is not a party to the case, they properly sought permission to file the Amicus brief. If the ADP were a party to the case, it would not be necessary to file an Amicus brief, they would simply file a Reply brief.

  78. avatar
    Rickey May 22, 2013 at 3:23 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Can you provide specific citations – state and/or federal laws – so we can take a look at them?

    Thanks.

    Birthers never cite specific statutes.

    The only Federal forgery statute which could possibly apply, as far as I can determine, is 18 U.S.C. 505 : US Code – Section 505: Seals of courts; signatures of judges or court officers:

    Whoever forges the signature of any judge, register, or other
    officer of any court of the United States, or of any Territory
    thereof, or forges or counterfeits the seal of any such court, or
    knowingly concurs in using any such forged or counterfeit signature
    or seal, for the purpose of authenticating any proceeding or
    document, or tenders in evidence any such proceeding or document
    with a false or counterfeit signature of any such judge, register,
    or other officer, or a false or counterfeit seal of the court,
    subscribed or attached thereto, knowing such signature or seal to
    be false or counterfeit, shall be fined under this title or
    imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

    But Obama has never used the LFBC to legally authenticate anything. He merely showed it to reporters and a pdf copy was placed on the White House website. It has never been introduced in a court of law as evidence, so I fail to see how this statute would apply even if the LFBC were a forgery.

  79. avatar
    Majority Will May 22, 2013 at 8:19 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater:
    Does anyone else remember the 2nd naked gun movie I think it was.There’s a scene where they’re trying to trace where a letter came from and the scientist does analysis of the paper and ends up hitting a dead end with the location of the trees it came from, he then analyzes the ink, writing structure and finds out it came from one of the local prisons.You then see a panout of the letter and at the top of it is the letterhead for the specific prison.This is pretty much how birthers think.Scrambled and illogical.

    The angry, senseless moron perspective must be an exhausting way of life.

  80. avatar
    nbc May 22, 2013 at 8:21 pm #

    Rickey: Since the ADP is not a party to the case, they properly sought permission to file the Amicus brief. If the ADP were a party to the case, it would not be necessary to file an Amicus brief, they would simply file a Reply brief.

    Hermitian is not a very good reader either…

    Funny dude, so ineffective though… But still hilarious for his disregard for facts and reality

  81. avatar
    nbc May 22, 2013 at 8:24 pm #

    Rickey: But Obama has never used the LFBC to legally authenticate anything.

    Yes, they have been very good at providing no opportunity for the plaintiffs to raise an issue here…

    Must be maddening to have such skilled lawyers on the opponent’s team :-)

  82. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 22, 2013 at 8:48 pm #

    Obama’s attorney in Georgia reportedly sent a copy of the long form to the Georgia Secretary of State during the ballot challenge brought by Farrar et al. I also understand that a copy of the long form was sent to Judge Malihi prior to the trial.

    There is no competent evidence that the form is a forgery, and a raft of competent evidence that it is legitimate.

    Rickey: But Obama has never used the LFBC to legally authenticate anything. He merely showed it to reporters and a pdf copy was placed on the White House website. It has never been introduced in a court of law as evidence, so I fail to see how this statute would apply even if the LFBC were a forgery.

  83. avatar
    G May 22, 2013 at 9:33 pm #

    Exactly! That pretty much sums it up.

    Dr. Conspiracy: There is no competent evidence that the form is a forgery, and a raft of competent evidence that it is legitimate.

  84. avatar
    Hermitian May 22, 2013 at 9:38 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Why should I need to prove this?

    Hermitian: You Obots cannot prove that the WH PDF image is an exact duplicate copy of an original hospital generated birth certificate.

    Because Obama has represented that it is. Of course he pulled a bait and switch when he provided the correspondence which supports his request (and acquisition) of two certified copies along with the WH LFCOLB PDF image.

    The HDOH has denied that they had anything to do with the creation and release of the WH LFCOLB PDF image. Consequently, because only the HDOH can legally produce Hawaii birth certificates, then the HDOH cannot speak to the probative value of a PDF image that was produced entirely by some unauthorized person.

    The HDOH has a legal duty to declare the WH PDF image as fraudulent because Obama and his attorneys associated this computer generated image with the correspondence that established the chain of custody for the two certified paper copies that they had furnished to Obama.

    Obama and his attorneys have falsely claimed that the WH LFCOLB PDF was produced by scanning of one of the two certified copies. Countless Obots have also made the same claim without providing any evidence which proves their claim.

    Thus they have all falsely claimed that the WH PDF image is an near-exact duplicate copy of one of the two certified copies.

    Given these facts, the HDOH is obligated to to declare the WH LFCOLB PDF image to be a fraudulent image.

    This is the same obligation that a Secret Service or Treasury Agent has to identify a counterfeit bill which has been fraudulently associated with an authentic withdrawal slip from a reputable bank.

  85. avatar
    Hermitian May 22, 2013 at 9:48 pm #

    Monkey Boy: Hermitian: You Obots cannot prove that the WH PDF image is an exact duplicate copy of an original hospital generated birth certificate.

    Your denseness approaches that of a collapsed star–or, perhaps, it is all contrived and you are just a liar.
    It is not necessary for either the certified copies of birth verification, nor the WH produced images of those copies are required to be “exact duplicates” of the “hospital generated” birth record in order for them to genuine. Only that the information displayed on the PDFs agrees with the information on the original records. Just like you driver’s license is not an exact duplicate of the results of your driving qualification tests.
    I don’t believe that you are actually so stupid as to believe that the dribbledrivel you expound actually matters; I believe that you are just duplicitous

    Hey! I’m not the Monkey here. So you just make this stuff up as you go?

    By analogy you must believe that a counterfeit bill is legal tender so long as it contains the correct information.

    Doofus !!

    You can’t make this stuff up. But the Obots do as needed.

  86. avatar
    Hermitian May 22, 2013 at 9:55 pm #

    JPotter: Hermitian: The wheels will come off your Obot wagon in two weeks.
    Gosh, I almost regret not keeping a detailed record of your failed deadlines, Herms. You birfers are worse than an end times cult!

    It only takes one pitch to hit a home run.

  87. avatar
    Hermitian May 22, 2013 at 10:18 pm #

    nbc: And yet the verified and certified exactly that the PDF is accurate. Of course they did not produce the PDF but they certified the information as matching.

    They only verified that the information provided (by the requester of the verification) matches the vital statistics records on file at the HDOH.

    It’s a fact that after an exhaustive search by Governor Abercrombie (using the full power of his office) he was only able to locate a hand written record of Obama’s birth in the State Archives. The Governor did not locate any relevant records on file at the HDOH.

  88. avatar
    Hermitian May 22, 2013 at 10:30 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: There is no competent evidence that the form is a forgery, and a raft of competent evidence that it is legitimate.

    There is no evidence that the WH LFCOLB PDF image is a duplicate copy of a hospital-generated Certificate of Live Birth produced in 1961 by the staff of the Kapiolani Hospital. Likewise there is no evidence that the same PDF image was produced by scanning a certified copy of an original Certificate of Live Birth.

    The evidence is irrefutable that it is not.

  89. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 22, 2013 at 11:41 pm #

    Discussing anything with you is like talking to a machine incapable of reason, but just repeating the same stuff, and false stuff at that.

    You’re not adding anything to the discussion, and in fact are preventing reasonable exchanges. I’m banning you again.

    Hermitian: There is no evidence that the WH LFCOLB PDF image is a duplicate copy of a hospital-generated Certificate of Live Birth produced in 1961 by the staff of the Kapiolani Hospital. Likewise there is no evidence that the same PDF image was produced by scanning a certified copy of an original Certificate of Live Birth.

    The evidence is irrefutable that it is not.

  90. avatar
    nbc May 22, 2013 at 11:44 pm #

    Hermitian: It’s a fact that after an exhaustive search by Governor Abercrombie (using the full power of his office) he was only able to locate a hand written record of Obama’s birth in the State Archives. The Governor did not locate any relevant records on file at the HDOH.

    Lying again?

    And you do realize that the governor has no power to see the actual documents? But even if he did, we do know from those who are in a position to certify the documents that they match the information provided. A claim of fraud would hence fail, even if the document had been doctored…

  91. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 23, 2013 at 12:10 am #

    Hermitian: Because Obama has represented that it is. Of course he pulled a bait and switch when he provided the correspondence which supports his request (and acquisition) of two certified copies along with the WH LFCOLB PDF image.

    How could it be a “bait and switch” when DOH verified the contents of the documents as matching what they gave to Obama? They even link to the white house pdf on their website.

  92. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 23, 2013 at 12:12 am #

    Hermitian: By analogy you must believe that a counterfeit bill is legal tender so long as it contains the correct information.

    When the issuing authority says the bill is legal tender no amount of whining on your part would change that. Do you take certified document examiners with you everytime you shop at walmart?

  93. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 23, 2013 at 12:13 am #

    Hermitian: It only takes one pitch to hit a home run.

    The game is long over, you’re playing cricket, the lights have been turned off and you’re out of season

  94. avatar
    J.D. Sue May 23, 2013 at 12:14 am #

    Hermitian: chain of custody for the two certified paper copies

    —-
    Why would anyone need a “chain of custody” for a certified document? That’s just silly.

  95. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 23, 2013 at 12:14 am #

    Hermitian: They only verified that the information provided (by the requester of the verification) matches the vital statistics records on file at the HDOH.

    It’s a fact that after an exhaustive search by Governor Abercrombie (using the full power of his office) he was only able to locate a hand written record of Obama’s birth in the State Archives.The Governor did not locate any relevant records on file at the HDOH.

    Once again never once did Abercrombie say he was looking for let alone releasing the long form for you. He didn’t say that either about not locating any record just that he couldn’t legally release anything

  96. avatar
    J.D. Sue May 23, 2013 at 12:30 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: When the issuing authority says the bill is legal tender no amount of whining on your part would change that. Do you take certified document examiners with you everytime you shop at walmart?

    —-
    But how do we know it’s a real dollar bill if we don’t have a chain of custody for that bill and a withdrawal slip from a reputable bank…?

  97. avatar
    nbc May 23, 2013 at 12:44 am #

    Hermitian: It only takes one pitch to hit a home run.

    you find yourself in a dark stadium with a beer that has gon flat and a cold hot dog… the game has long since ended.

  98. avatar
    Thinker May 23, 2013 at 2:51 am #

    Back when I was just a casual birfer watcher, I would occasionally see a birfer make a claim that I thought must be a joke because it was so unbelievably stupid. Remember when the White House released that video of Obama’s passport and birfers all screamed “forgery” because they didn’t know what a Schengen visa was? Or when Orly Taitz asked Chuck Grassley for a four billion dollar grant for her silly fake foundation? My initial reaction to both of those things was to think that someone was punking the birfers. I’ve seen enough stupidity among birfers over the years that I am rarely surprised at it any more. But, I’ll give Hermi credit. When he wrote his ‘forgery of a forgery’ affidavit, I honestly thought that someone was punking Orly. It simply didn’t seem possible to me that somebody with a functioning brain stem could not see how ludicrous the whole theory was. In fact, the whole thing is premised on not understanding the difference between an actual paper document and a pixelated image of a document. Kindergartners do not make that mistake, but birfers do.

  99. avatar
    G May 23, 2013 at 3:27 am #

    Yep. That pretty much sums up the correct level of where they are stuck in terms of both emotional maturity and the ability to indulge in make-believe as if it were real…

    Thinker: Kindergartners do not make that mistake, but birfers do.

  100. avatar
    Monkey Boy May 23, 2013 at 6:09 am #

    Hermitian: Hey! I’m not the Monkey here.So you just make this stuff up as you go?

    By analogy you must believe that a counterfeit bill is legal tender so long as it contains the correct information.

    Doofus !!

    You can’t make this stuff up.But the Obots do as needed.

    Correct! A monkey is a primate and is capable of some reason; a mushroom, on the other hand, just feeds on fecal matter, stays in the dark and never looks up to see where the shit comes from.

    And, by your half-witted analogy the treasury’s mint department can produce a counterfeit twenty, and a tasked-by-law state agency produces fake documents when the law mandates that its products are, ipso facto, genuine.

    Idiot–or liar.

  101. avatar
    Northland10 May 23, 2013 at 7:32 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: The game is long over, you’re playing cricket, the lights have been turned off and you’re out of season

    And he’s in Ebbets Field.

  102. avatar
    Northland10 May 23, 2013 at 7:40 am #

    Hermitian: The evidence is irrefutable that it is not.

    Hmm…

  103. avatar
    sfjeff May 23, 2013 at 1:48 pm #

    The amount of cognitive dissidence that is required to ignore the very clear statements of Dr. Fukino and the current Hawaiian Director of Health is amazing.

    Herman just ignores them- but usually if you can get a Birther to acknowledge them, they will claim conspiracy and fraud……and run away.

    There is no getting around how the State of Hawaii has repeatedly- and consistantly- since 2008- confirmed that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii- and that his birth certificate is on file.

    That proof is irrefutable- though I hate it when people say such things.

  104. avatar
    Rickey May 23, 2013 at 2:24 pm #

    Hermitian: It only takes one pitch to hit a home run.

    Yes, but three strikes and you’re out.

    You remind me of a joke I once heard about an inventor who created a new gizmo. A friend asked him how much he planned to charge for it.

    “$1 million,” the inventor replied.

    “Wow,” remarked the friend, “I can’t imagine that there will be much interest at that price.”

    “At that price,” the inventor said, “I only have to sell one.”

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    Plantmaster May 23, 2013 at 4:55 pm #

    john

    Will Klayman get to respond. He could have a field day with this dribble.

    **************
    Spoken by the original dribbler himself. It’s all I can do to keep from busting out into hysterical laughter…

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    Plantmaster May 23, 2013 at 5:04 pm #

    Hermitian: Then each copy would be compared to the WH LFCOLB PDF image to identify any differences between each certified copy and the PDF image.

    Then Obama is arrested and prosecuted for conspiracy to commit forgery and election fraud.
    ************
    Dream on, thou racist moron. Thou art tedious…

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    CarlOrcas May 23, 2013 at 5:09 pm #

    Plantmaster: Dream on, thou racist moron. Thou art tedious…

    He are also toast.

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    Plantmaster May 23, 2013 at 5:11 pm #

    Majority Will

    Hermitian: Then Obama is arrested and prosecuted for conspiracy to commit forgery and election fraud.

    It must be exhausting typing with one hand and fantasizing like that but you should probably back away from the keyboard and go outside for awhile.
    ************
    My late journalist father would’ve referred to Hermie’s condition as “constipation of the brain and diarrhea of the typewriter…”

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    Plantmaster May 23, 2013 at 5:17 pm #

    Keith

    JPotter: Gosh, I almost regret not keeping a detailed record of your failed deadlines, Herms. You birfers are worse than an end times cult!

    No need to bother. H’s claims of ‘two weeks’ is just like the sign at the pub that says ‘free beer tomorrow’.
    ************
    It should be obvious, everybody…they’re waiting for Godot!

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    Plantmaster May 23, 2013 at 5:20 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy

    Discussing anything with you is like talking to a machine incapable of reason, but just repeating the same stuff, and false stuff at that.

    You’re not adding anything to the discussion, and in fact are preventing reasonable exchanges. I’m banning you again.
    **********
    Thank you, Doc!

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    Keith May 23, 2013 at 5:56 pm #

    nbc: you find yourself in a dark stadium with a beer that has gon flat and a cold hot dog… the game has long since ended.

    Nah, there’s just been a power failure. Everything else is normal.

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    nbc May 23, 2013 at 6:29 pm #

    john: Will Klayman get to respond. He could have a field day with this dribble.

    All the way up to sanctions, for sure :-) But for whom…

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    Northland10 May 23, 2013 at 9:57 pm #

    Hermitian: Patience JPot. The wheels will come off your Obot wagon in two weeks.

    And what is Hermie’s “in two weeks” moment?

    http://www.surpriseteapartypatriots.com/sheriffjoe/

    Oh, Yeah!! a Meet and Greet with the Sheriff and Zullo. Special guests will be calling.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG May 23, 2013 at 10:08 pm #

    Hermitian: Patience JPot.The wheels will come off your Obot wagon in two weeks.

    You Obots cannot prove that the WH PDF image is an exact duplicate copy of an original hospital generated birth certificate.

    And no one at the HDOH will ever verify it’s authenticity because they did not produce the WH PDF image.

    Let’s see the two certified paper copies that Fuddy produced for Obama.These copies would have the Hawaii State seal impression and the registrar’s date and signature stamps in Black ink.

    Any. Day. Now.
    Wait and see!
    Any. Day. Now.
    Yessiree!
    Any. Day. Now.

    By the way, when someone is making accusatory statements, the burden of proof is on THEM, not the person that they are accusing. Since day one, it has been on the birthers to prove the certificate is a forgery, 200+ court cases later, they can’t even get their foot in the door. Why? Because the rantings of insane conspiracy theorists like you, are no match for officially verified records.

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    CarlOrcas May 23, 2013 at 10:25 pm #

    Northland10: Special guests will be calling.

    Ah…..the much talked about VIPs? From a secure location, I am sure.

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    G May 23, 2013 at 11:23 pm #

    ROTFLMAO!!!

    So their whole ***BIG*** “in two weeks” event is nothing more than a meet and greet BBQ??? Yeah, that’ll show Obama, for sure! LOL!

    Because shaking hands and grilling cookout accomplishes what exactly, in Birferstan goals??? But, but, but Arpaio will be there…as the BIrthers say, batting their fangirl eyes…

    …like this is somehow different from the hundreds upon hundreds of meet and greet political events he’s done in his career…how exactly?

    Seriously, their movement has fallen to new levels of pathetic. Soon the big OMG Any.Day.Now events will simply mean that two birthers got out of their basements and showed up at the house of yet a third birther, just so they could all sit in the living room together and shout at Fox News on the TV, for not doing enough to take down Obama…

    I guess in their fantasy minds, Obama will be so jealous of not being invited to the BBQ, that he’ll just immediately decide to call a press conference and resign in shame… or something equally stupid.

    Sorry, but I can’t pull off simulating Birther fantasies that well. I guess I’d need to cause real brain damage to myself before I could do a passing imitation of their thought processes…

    Northland10: And what is Hermie’s “in two weeks” moment?

    http://www.surpriseteapartypatriots.com/sheriffjoe/

    Oh, Yeah!! a Meet and Greet with the Sheriff and Zullo.Special guests will be calling.

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    misha marinsky May 24, 2013 at 3:10 am #

    Plantmaster: they’re waiting for Godot!

    In the play I saw, Godot shows up at the end of the first act. What gives?

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    misha marinsky May 24, 2013 at 3:12 am #

    G: So their whole ***BIG*** “in two weeks” event is nothing more than a meet and greet BBQ???

    It’s more than that: they’re selling each other Amway soap.

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    G May 24, 2013 at 5:22 am #

    ROTFLMAO!!! ;)

    misha marinsky: It’s more than that: they’re selling each other Amway soap.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG May 24, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

    misha marinsky: In the play I saw, Godot shows up at the end of the first act. What gives?

    And everyone knows that Gobots suck! Transformers are way better!