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Who can hear a dog whistle?

imageNormal human beings don’t hear dog whistles, as they are designed for dogs. One wonders what that says about Rush Limbaugh, who recently said:

This sovereignty business, this is significant. This is not a throwaway. That’s a dog whistle.

Now I have tinnitus, so I hear dog whistles all the time, but I learned long ago the difference between the whistles in my head and the real thing—Limbaugh not so much. He latched onto a remark by the President where Obama said:

Some Mexicans think that America disrespects Mexico, or thinks that America is trying to impose itself on Mexican sovereignty or just wants to wall ourselves off.

Rush hears Obama saying in a coded message directed at Latinos that he believes that parts of the US Southwest really belong to Mexico, specifically Limbaugh said:

…he’s telling them that he agrees with them that California should still be Mexico and that New Mexico should still be Mexico.

Personally, I don’t believe that Limbaugh is that stupid, but is just saying what he things will boost his ratings. Pathetic.

Read more at WorldNetDaily. They, like dogs, like to eat disgusting things.

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104 Responses to Who can hear a dog whistle?

  1. avatar
    donna May 7, 2013 at 10:01 am #

    sticking with the dog whistle line, “Pat Buchanan Claims Immigration Reform, Latino Voting Will Lead to ‘Erasure of the Southern Border'”

    On Friday’s McLaughlin Group:

    “Let me tell you, if you get amnesty and the path to citizenship that the Mexican president wants, that will lead to the erasure of the southern border of the United States, because the Hispanic population in all those border states is going to be decisive in elections and they will begin to demand that to people, shut up about immigration and let it come forward, and when that happens you’re going to have an entirely different U.S.A.,” he said.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/05/04/pat-buchanan-amnesty-and-path-citizenship-lead-erasure-southern-borde

  2. avatar
    Lupin May 7, 2013 at 10:53 am #

    Icky mud people with cooties coming in. They have the ideological beliefs of a (badly raised) 5-year-old.

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    Kiwiwriter May 7, 2013 at 11:43 am #

    I think Rush spouts most of his guff for that noblest of purposes…to get attention and higher ratings. He knows he’s full of it, but he’s rolling in dough and attention from it.

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    richCares May 7, 2013 at 12:03 pm #

    Years ago in Hawaii, A neighbor was a huge Rush fan, when Rush made fun of Clinton’s daughter being ugly it hit him hard, his daughter had a face deformity and was often made fun of. He stopped listening to Rush, which improved his life, can you imagine the weight of all that hate is now being gone. Wouldn’t it be nice of that to happen to nasty Orly.

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    Bob May 7, 2013 at 12:29 pm #

    My sister and brother-in-law started listening to Limbaugh about 10 years ago and have gone from being normal people to angry RWNJs whom I’m now uncomfortable to be around. It’s even affected their once great relationship with their son who married a lovely woman who works for the EPA. Their voices drip with contempt every time they ask her about her job.

  6. avatar
    Birther Weary May 7, 2013 at 12:31 pm #

    Yeah, actually Limbaugh is that stupid. He didn’t used to be 20 years ago, but all that comes out of his mouth now is fear, hate, and stupid cubed.

  7. avatar
    donna May 7, 2013 at 12:36 pm #

    Bob:

    you might be interested in “Fox Geezer Syndrome” written by a conservative about conservatives

    “Conor Friedersdorf remembers what a pain it was to live with a liberal roommate who watched Keith Olbermann every night, and would subsequently sulk around in a pissed-off mood. Friedersdorf too got a negative contact buzz from the show. He writes: “It seems to me that Olbermann’s show often brought out the worst impulses in people: petulance, self-righteousness, and blind anger at ‘the other side.’”

    “Sounds familiar to me, though from the other side. Except in my case, it’s not my liberal roommate. It’s my conservative parents – and maybe yours too.”

    http://www.frumforum.com/fox-geezer-syndrome/

  8. avatar
    JD Reed May 7, 2013 at 12:44 pm #

    Birther Weary:
    Yeah, actually Limbaugh is that stupid. He didn’t used to be 20 years ago, but all that comes out of his mouth now is fear, hate, and stupid cubed.

    Doesn’t make him stupid. Instead, what he puts out over the air is rational when considered from the viewpoint of Rushbo’s greatest innermost desires. Throwing raw meat to folks who would rather not entertain any thoughts contrary to their deeply ingrained prejudices has made him rich. It also brings him their adulation. And since being rich and revered (by some) is for him a far greater virtue than being intellectually honest, keeping on keeping on will continue to be his mode of operation.

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    justlw May 7, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

    One station manager quipped to me, “The median age of Limbaugh’s audience? Deceased.”

    –David Frum

    Which reminds me tangentially of an early The Simpsons quote, when Marge is commissioned to paint a portrait of Mr. Burns, and finally turns in a very horrifying nude. One art critic brightly responds to her portrayal:

    He’s bad, but he’ll die. So I like it!

    And roaming even further: Margaret Groening, father to Matt (and Maggie and Lisa — and Patty, who is said to have “reeked of cigarette smoke”), husband to Homer, passed away recently.

    Her maiden name: Wiggum.

  10. avatar
    Bob May 7, 2013 at 1:07 pm #

    donna:
    http://www.frumforum.com/fox-geezer-syndrome/

    Thanks for the article. They also leave Fox on all day now that they’re retired. As the day wears on they get more and more agitated. I guess some people become addicted to outrage.

  11. avatar
    JPotter May 7, 2013 at 1:33 pm #

    I know that photo is of a dog, but it looks so much like a pig.

    I think it’s the ears. :|

  12. avatar
    Thomas Brown May 7, 2013 at 2:19 pm #

    George Harrison is dead, but Rush Limbaugh is alive?

    There is no God.

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    Suranis May 7, 2013 at 2:44 pm #

    donna:
    Bob:
    http://www.frumforum.com/fox-geezer-syndrome/

    That’s a great article, thank you. Yeah it makes sense that if you are just filling your head with poison the whole time, you are going to get sick. That’s pretty much whats happened to political discourse. Its also whats happened with Birthers and other conspiracy theorists I suppose. They are so sick now they are blind.

  14. avatar
    Andrew Morris May 7, 2013 at 4:26 pm #

    Rush is very clever. But he shares the far-right contempt for women, which I suspect also explains his serial marriages (each younger than the last, I think) and his Viagra-fuelled trip to Costa Rica or wherever it was when he got busted at US customs, despite priofessing to be a paid-up member of the family values crowd.

  15. avatar
    scott e May 7, 2013 at 4:31 pm #

    rush has been telling it like it is for a generation, he is so good at what he does that some folks equate him with being a leader of “we the conservatives”.

    but I guess he’s not from around here, is he? now he seems to have other blog people nipping at his heels. he is a giant and a legend, and a pretty nice guy too. just saying…

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    nbc May 7, 2013 at 4:37 pm #

    scott e: rush has been telling it like it is for a generation, he is so good at what he does that some folks equate him with being a leader of “we the conservatives”.

    Rush has been a great showman as has managed to keep the right from being too successful. All in all, he has done a lot of good for our nation through his actions. But his ignorance of issues of science, and his pandering to the dark side, certainly indict him.

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    nbc May 7, 2013 at 4:38 pm #

    Andrew Morris: Rush is very clever. But he shares the far-right contempt for women, which I suspect also explains his serial marriages (each younger than the last, I think) and his Viagra-fuelled trip to Costa Rica or wherever it was when he got busted at US customs, despite priofessing to be a paid-up member of the family values crowd.

    He is a show man and he makes tens of millions of dollars because of the ignorance and fear amongst some right wingers.

  18. avatar
    scott e May 7, 2013 at 4:45 pm #

    I will add that if he did call anyone names, that were inappropriate, he shouldn’t have, but it’s a rough business, and people make mistakes on both sides, the ed show guy, bottom feeder/0bama contributor bill maher, letterman with the sarah palin thing… both sides. http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=101;t=000095;p=1

    it’s not right and shows a lack of imagination, even the messiah himself made fun of the special Olympics and such. it’s what comes after that that is important too. lot’s of people use insults in this business.

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    scott e May 7, 2013 at 4:52 pm #

    nbc: Rush has been a great showman as has managed to keep the right from being too successful. All in all, he has done a lot of good for our nation through his actions. But his ignorance of issues of science, and his pandering to the dark side, certainly indict him.

    the right has been successful since rush came along… sometimes. i’m pretty sure 3/5ths of our governors are from the right. right ? the bushes ? nobody on the right has ever been impeached as far as I remember, since rush stepped up to the mic. I think conservative radio is more popular than those of the left too. I think the left may take a hit tomorrow on the hill as well. the supreme court ? the house of representatives… ? the success of red states versus blue ? migration from california to texas ? i’m not making this up.

  20. avatar
    Suranis May 7, 2013 at 5:26 pm #

    Better drop the “not” there at the end, old bean. Or if you leave it, change the last 2 words to “any sense”.

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    nbc May 7, 2013 at 5:31 pm #

    scott e: i’m not making this up.

    Right… Blind as well to the impact of Bush on our nation. Thousands died and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi’s died all because of a lie.

    What a success indeed. What I president Obama’s crime? Caring for the middle class and the poor? Shame on him

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    scott e May 7, 2013 at 7:22 pm #

    Suranis:
    Better drop the “not” there at the end, old bean. Or if you leave it, change the last 2 words to “any sense”.

    why don’t you just do it, you change my quotes on other forums…. old mr. bean…lol

  23. avatar
    scott e May 7, 2013 at 7:35 pm #

    What I president Obama’s crime?

    i’m not sure what this means.

    wasn’t a lie, that’s democrat party parlance. toppling saddam was a good idea, there were wmd’s . chemicals used to kill innocent children. rape rooms (the harmony report), he will never hurt anyone again, which is more than I can say for 0bama. but I mean that in a nice way, let’s see what happens tomorrow on the hill.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EB05Ak02.html

    incidentally, when I ask a friend about Iraq using chemicals on the kurds, was the first time I heard that expression “but that was a long time ago”…

    may as well blame slick willy for 911.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 7, 2013 at 7:50 pm #

    scott e:
    What I president Obama’s crime?

    i’m not sure what this means.

    wasn’t a lie, that’s democrat party parlance. toppling saddam was a good idea, there were wmd’s . chemicals used to kill innocent children. rape rooms (the harmony report), he will never hurt anyone again, which is more than I can say for 0bama. but I mean that in a nice way, let’s see what happens tomorrow on the hill.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EB05Ak02.html

    incidentally, when I ask a friend about Iraq using chemicals on the kurds, was the first time I heard that expression “but that was a long time ago”…

    may as well blame slick willy for 911.

    As usual Scotty doesn’t understand the world he lives in. So why not help out in Darfur or any other country with an oppressive tyrant? Why would one blame Clinton for 911 when he was the first president taking real action against terrorists while George W. Bush destroyed our counter terrorism program before 9/11. Also we did have complicity giving Saddam WMDs during the Reagan years. As for your bit about it being a good idea. I’m just reminded of this guy named Dick Cheney back from the Bush Sr years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY

    Amazing how right that young man was

  25. avatar
    Keith May 7, 2013 at 7:58 pm #

    Thomas Brown:
    George Harrison is dead, but Rush Limbaugh is alive?

    There is no God.

    I’m gonna steal that line.

  26. avatar
    Daniel May 7, 2013 at 10:17 pm #

    scott e:
    What I president Obama’s crime?

    i’m not sure what this means.

    wasn’t a lie, that’s democrat party parlance. toppling saddam was a good idea, there were wmd’s . chemicals used to kill innocent children. rape rooms (the harmony report), he will never hurt anyone again, which is more than I can say for 0bama. but I mean that in a nice way, let’s see what happens tomorrow on the hill.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EB05Ak02.html

    incidentally, when I ask a friend about Iraq using chemicals on the kurds, was the first time I heard that expression “but that was a long time ago”…

    may as well blame slick willy for 911.

    Normally, like any sane person, I don’t really pay any attention to what you say.

    However, I’m finding myself really curious how you could possibly figure that this article would in any way have any effect at all on Obama’s administration? So how about you try to explain it… just for grins and giggles?

  27. avatar
    US Citizen May 7, 2013 at 11:26 pm #

    What especially offended me was when Rush declared that there was no problem with healthcare in the US because HE was able to get immediate treatment.

    To bolster this opinion, I offer you this:
    http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/rush-limbaugh-net-worth/

  28. avatar
    scott e May 8, 2013 at 7:10 am #

    US Citizen:
    What especially offended me was when Rush declared that there was no problem with healthcare in the US because HE was able to get immediate treatment.

    To bolster this opinion, I offer you this:
    http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/rush-limbaugh-net-worth/

    who doesn’t get immediate treatment in this country ??

  29. avatar
    scott e May 8, 2013 at 7:14 am #

    Daniel: Normally, like any sane person, I don’t really pay any attention to what you say.

    However, I’m finding myself really curious how you could possibly figure that this article would in any way have any effect at all on Obama’s administration? So how about you try to explain it… just for grins and giggles?

    because his administration is current, most presidents study history, including the one we have now. it was a reply to a comment about the second war in Iraq. I maintain that saddam Hussein was a threat to the world, he put out an order to hunt down and kill Americans and a call for 100 suicide bombers. I believe saddam was a monster, and i’m glad he’s dead, that Iraq has a chance now, they didn’t have before.

  30. avatar
    scott e May 8, 2013 at 7:18 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: As usual Scotty doesn’t understand the world he lives in.So why not help out in Darfur or any other country with an oppressive tyrant?Why would one blame Clinton for 911 when he was the first president taking real action against terrorists while George W. Bush destroyed our counter terrorism program before 9/11.Also we did have complicity giving Saddam WMDs during the Reagan years.As for your bit about it being a good idea.I’m just reminded of this guy named Dick Cheney back from the Bush Sr years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY

    Amazing how right that young man was

    it’s a matter of opinion doctor.

  31. avatar
    Majority Will May 8, 2013 at 8:00 am #

    “who doesn’t get immediate treatment in this country ??”

    *smh*

  32. avatar
    Bob May 8, 2013 at 8:49 am #

    If you don’t think a wealthy celebrity would get better treatment than regular folk when walking into an emergency room (anywhere in the world actually) then you must be a Birther.

  33. avatar
    Majority Will May 8, 2013 at 9:31 am #

    Bob:
    If you don’t think a wealthy celebrity would get better treatment than regular folk when walking into an emergency room (anywhere in the world actually) then you must be a Birther.

    And a very lazy, reality challenged birther at that.

    Woman dies in ER lobby as 911 refuses to help
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19207050/ns/health-health_care/t/woman-dies-er-lobby-refuses-help/

    Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/01/waiting.room.death/

    Pregnant Woman Ignored In Emergency Room, Baby Later Died
    http://newsone.com/381672/pregnant-woman-ignored-in-emergency-room-baby-later-died/

    And many more. I found these with a 10 second Google search. Evidently, it was far too challenging for the birther troll.

  34. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 8, 2013 at 10:21 am #

    scott e: because his administration is current, most presidents study history, including the one we have now. it was a reply to a comment about the second war in Iraq. I maintain that saddam Hussein was a threat to the world, he put out an order to hunt down and kill Americans and a call for 100 suicide bombers. I believe saddam was a monster, and i’m glad he’s dead, that Iraq has a chance now, they didn’t have before.

    That’s funny because there are two people who stated previously before the administration told them to get in line that this wasn’t the case.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1X-I-38lrU

  35. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 8, 2013 at 10:22 am #

    scott e: it’s a matter of opinion doctor.

    So what’s your opinion answer my questions.

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    Suranis May 8, 2013 at 10:23 am #

    scott e: why don’t you just do it, you change my quotes on other forums…. old mr. bean…lol

    The best you have is “I know you are but what am I?” This isn’t a schoolyard. And o’d bean is an old posh english expression for “my friend”

    scott e:

    wasn’t a lie, that’s democrat party parlance. toppling saddam was a good idea,

    Which is why George H W Bush didn’t do it in Gulf war I. Ever wonder why?

    there were wmd’s .

    Here we see evidence that FOX veiwers are the least informed on issues. No there were not WMDs. Bush had teams scouring Iraq for a year after the war and they found nothing. It was so pathetic that the head of the teams scouring Iraq resigned after 4 months because he said it was a waste of time, there was nothing there.

    Not only that but There were 600 metric Tonnes of Yellowcake Uranium sitting 10 miles from Baghdad that hadn’t been touched since 1990. And Bush was making out that Saddam was trying to buy Yellowcake from Uganda to make NUKES!!!

    chemicals used to kill innocent children. rape rooms (the harmony report),

    Yep that really changed after the war. See Abu Ghraib and Gitmo. And white phosphorous and 2000 pound bombs used on cities.

    he will never hurt anyone again, which is more than I can say for 0bama. but I mean that in a nice way, let’s see what happens tomorrow on the hill.

    Nothing is going to happen today on the hill and you know it. This is just a manufactured controversy to try and taint Hillary Clinton. Everyone involved has been adamant that everything possible was done, and its such unbelievable garbage that only the most gullible Obama hater buys it

    incidentally, when I ask a friend about Iraq using chemicals on the kurds, was the first time I heard that expression “but that was a long time ago”…

    LOL. When Vice President George H W Bush was shown photos of the chemical attacks by our friend Saddam using the chemicals we sold him, he said they were fakes. Sound familiar?

    Oh yeah, and if the Kurds hated Saddam so much, how come they asked him to intervene in their civil war around 1995? Yes, they ASKED Saddam with his tanks to roll in. If you don’t believe me look it up. Might cause some dissonance in your uninformed braincell.

    may as well blame slick willy for 911.

    Hasn’t stopped you.

  37. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 8, 2013 at 10:23 am #

    Majority Will: And many more. I found these with a 10 second Google search. Evidently, it was far too challenging for the birther troll.

    Actual research? Scotty ain’t got time for that!

  38. avatar
    The Magic M May 8, 2013 at 10:30 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Actual research? Scotty ain’t got time for that!

    “Research” is one of those Marxist propaganda tools designed by leftist hate groups to fool the innocent Christianmerican masses anyway. Do you think Moses got his Ten Commandments through “research”? Oh no, that devil’s tool be gone! ;)

  39. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG May 8, 2013 at 10:42 am #

    Scott is the new John.

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    nbc May 8, 2013 at 2:16 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Scott is the new John.

    He has been losing much of his credibility by his fascination on Benghazi and the birth certificate. Convinced that Obama must be a crook, he continues to hope to find some real evidence..

    He has convinced himself that he did well on RC Radio

    even dennis miller cut me off, but the fogbows were in way over their heads, and they were out alinskied by a simple musician from vermont, who just happens to have the hobby of exposing the American executive branch for what they are.

    ROTFL..
    http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-controversy/2013/04/obama-birth-certificate-when-all-else-fails-read-the-instructions-by-scott-e-washamericom-2458902.html

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    scott e May 8, 2013 at 3:23 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: So what’s your opinion answer my questions.

    once you start being nice.

  42. avatar
    scott e May 8, 2013 at 3:26 pm #

    Bob:
    If you don’t think a wealthy celebrity would get better treatment than regular folk when walking into an emergency room (anywhere in the world actually) then you must be a Birther.

    depends on the celebrity I suppose, a lot of them are jerks.

  43. avatar
    scott e May 8, 2013 at 3:28 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Scott is the new John.

    who ?

  44. avatar
    scott e May 8, 2013 at 3:30 pm #

    nbc: He has been losing much of his credibility by his fascination on Benghazi and the birth certificate. Convinced that Obama must be a crook, he continues to hope to find some real evidence..

    He has convinced himself that he did well on RC Radio

    ROTFL..
    http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-controversy/2013/04/obama-birth-certificate-when-all-else-fails-read-the-instructions-by-scott-e-washamericom-2458902.html

    someone called for help, you can hear it in the background. bill had to jump in during the awkward silence. but i’ll say that you people are more polite on the radio than you are here… whatever. no skin off my ass, do whatever you want. you are all entirely predictable.

  45. avatar
    Horus May 8, 2013 at 3:34 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Scott is the new John.

    My thoughts exactly!
    Or maybe just John going by a new name.

  46. avatar
    Daniel May 8, 2013 at 3:42 pm #

    scott e: someone called for help, you can hear it in the background. bill had to jump in during the awkward silence. but i’ll say that you people are more polite on the radio than you are here… whatever. no skin off my ass, do whatever you want. you are all entirely predictable.

    If we’re so predictable, why do you stay? What is your purpose? Why do you “endure the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune” as it were?

    And no, I don’t expect a straight answer.

  47. avatar
    scott e May 8, 2013 at 3:58 pm #

    Daniel: If we’re so predictable, why do you stay? What is your purpose? Why do you “endure the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune” as it were?

    And no, I don’t expect a straight answer.

    I don’t know, I have some free time I guess… there was a break in the beghazi hearing, but they’re back… right now i’m listening to the hearing and giving you a straight answer, cause you seem nice.

    when I tire of outrageous fortune, I suppose i’ll do something else. I just bought a couple of new guitars and a new amp today, and happy hour begins at five…in about an hour. and it’s raining.

    don’t sell yourself short, you guys are pretty fun to hang out with sometimes, you are all very bright people, no doubt about that. maybe i’m waiting to see flashes of unpredictability. what the hell, it’s raining, i’m having a long trail… things are going pretty well on the hill, I wish I was there now.

    how bout you ??

  48. avatar
    scott e May 8, 2013 at 4:05 pm #

    Horus: My thoughts exactly!
    Or maybe just John going by a new name.

    who ?? not woodman… what ever happened to woody anyway ??

  49. avatar
    gorefan May 8, 2013 at 4:49 pm #

    scott e: things are going pretty well on the hill,

    So far no surprises or smoking guns.

  50. avatar
    Reality Check May 8, 2013 at 5:27 pm #

    You can read what John Woodman said on his blog. Essentially he said all the Birther myths had been debunked and he was ready to move on instead of rehashing the same recycled lies from idiots.

    I am sure the “john” you are being compared is jy1977, aka john, aka james.

    scott e: who ?? not woodman… what ever happened to woody anyway ??

  51. avatar
    nbc May 8, 2013 at 6:06 pm #

    scott e: who ?? not woodman… what ever happened to woody anyway ??

    He retired after laying to rest most of the birther myths… Somehow the Cold Case Posse still ‘fears’ his contributions and rightly so.
    At his blog another poster named gsgs also managed to explain additional features.

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    nbc May 8, 2013 at 6:18 pm #

    scott e: you are all entirely predictable.

    ROTFL… So ironic… But what is truly predictable is how you avoid discussing any of the foolish claims about the birth certificate.

    You are just upset with the people treating you ‘poorly’ and like to stir up some trouble by making non sequitur answers.

    When it comes to the meat of the issue, you stand no chance… Which is obviously why you avoid discussing it.

    How am I doing so far my friend?

    Look you have made up your mind about President Obama being corrupt because ‘that’s how Chicago works’ and based on that foolish foundation you build your maze of irrelevant issues.
    Look how you are referring to Benghazi, hoping to get some reactions and hoping that the President or Hilary may be embarrassed by the hearings.

    By any standard you have shown yourself to be quite an interesting person. But not necessary something to be proud of either.

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    Majority Will May 8, 2013 at 6:54 pm #

    nbc: ROTFL… So ironic… But what is truly predictable is how you avoid discussing any of the foolish claims about the birth certificate.

    You are just upset with the people treating you ‘poorly’ and like to stir up some trouble by making non sequitur answers.

    When it comes to the meat of the issue, you stand no chance… Which is obviously why you avoid discussing it.

    How am I doing so far my friend?

    Look you have made up your mind about President Obama being corrupt because ‘that’s how Chicago works’ and based on that foolish foundation you build your maze of irrelevant issues.
    Look how you are referring to Benghazi, hoping to get some reactions and hoping that the President or Hilary may be embarrassed by the hearings.

    By any standard you have shown yourself to be quite an interesting person. But not necessary something to be proud of either.

    All I see is an out of control See ‘n Say who keeps pulling his own string.

  54. avatar
    scott e May 8, 2013 at 7:09 pm #

    Reality Check: ROTFL

    oh. thanks bill, I guess the reference is lost on me, sorry.

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    scott e May 8, 2013 at 7:11 pm #

    Majority Will: All I see is an out of control See ‘n Say who keeps pulling his own string.

    ohhh. …. I thought we were discussing it… I think you mean a chatty cathy doll. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatty_Cathy

    see and say came after on the heels of cathy’s success, not personified though.

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    nbc May 8, 2013 at 7:15 pm #

    scott e: ohhh. …. I thought we were discussing it… I think you mean a chatty cathy doll. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatty_Cathy

    see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/See_'n_Say

    So where is the dial scott… This is so much fun… Not fully random but still irrelevant words keep being uttered by our confused friend.

  57. avatar
    scott e May 8, 2013 at 7:16 pm #

    nbc: He retired after laying to rest most of the birther myths… Somehow the Cold Case Posse still ‘fears’ his contributions and rightly so.
    At his blog another poster named gsgs also managed to explain additional features.

    we’ll see, Benghazi was laid to rest, not today maybe, but before it was….

  58. avatar
    Suranis May 8, 2013 at 7:34 pm #

    scott e: we’ll see, Benghazi was laid to rest, not today maybe, but before it was….

    So they found the evidence of wrongdoing in Bengazi beside the WMDs in Iraq that you also seem to be convinced were actually found?

    No they didn’t find a drop of evidence of WMDs in Iraq either, despite 2 years of looking after the war. But hey, they have found that Fox viewers are more misinformed than people who don’t actually watch the news. so its not your fault.

  59. avatar
    Majority Will May 8, 2013 at 7:46 pm #

    U.S. Embassy and Consulate attacks under George W. Bush:
    https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/936363_10151425747611275_1900410255_n.jpg

    Deaths: 60

    Outraged Republicans?

    Zero.

  60. avatar
    Suranis May 8, 2013 at 7:54 pm #

    I’ve shown that to ScottE on another forum several times, and the attacks under Reagan and Clinton, and somehow he didn’t see what my point was. Shocking, I know.

    I also seem to remember Clinton being mocked for going after this Osama Bin Ladin guy, but then Dems are soft on security dontchaknow.

  61. avatar
    Majority Will May 8, 2013 at 8:00 pm #

    Suranis:
    I’ve shown that to ScottE on another forum several times, and the attacks under Reagan and Clinton, and somehow he didn’t see what my point was. Shocking, I know.

    I also seem to remember Clinton being mocked for going after this Osama Bin Ladin guy, but then Dems are soft on security dontchaknow.

    That Happy Meal is an empty box.

  62. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 8, 2013 at 8:04 pm #

    scott e: oh. thanks bill, I guess the reference is lost on me, sorry.

    Why do you keep calling him Bill, Scotty dont?

  63. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 8, 2013 at 8:08 pm #

    scott e: once you start being nice

    I’ve been nice I just don’t suffer fools gladly and you’ve proven yourself time and again to be a fool

  64. avatar
    scott e May 8, 2013 at 8:22 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Why do you keep calling him Bill, Scotty dont?

    nbc: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/See_'n_Say

    So where is the dial scott… This is so much fun… Not fully random but still irrelevant words keep being uttered by our confused friend.

    don’t get carried away, it’s not that much fun… it’s ok….

  65. avatar
    scott e May 8, 2013 at 8:23 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: I’ve been nice I just don’t suffer fools gladly and you’ve proven yourself time and again to be a fool

    I don’t care for your attitude…never have.

  66. avatar
    nbc May 8, 2013 at 8:26 pm #

    scott e: I don’t care for your attitude…never have.

    Ah but you do… You have shown yourself to be quite the opposite of what you portray yourself to be.

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    scott e May 8, 2013 at 8:56 pm #

    nbc: Ah but you do… You have shown yourself to be quite the opposite of what you portray yourself to be.

    sometimes,

    but no, I don’t… I think you are generally acerbic, unpleasant to chat with, that’s why I usually pass by your (both of you) comments.

  68. avatar
    nbc May 8, 2013 at 9:00 pm #

    scott e: but no, I don’t… I think you are generally acerbic, unpleasant to chat with, that’s why I usually pass by your comments.

    Right… That’s the only reason… Come on Scott, even you can do better than to call me “sharp and forthright” and then ignore my rebuttals of birther foolishness…

    Yes, like various others here, I do not suffer fools lightly.

  69. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 8, 2013 at 9:10 pm #

    scott e: I don’t care for your attitude…never have.

    But Scotty, we’ve only just begun. Do you need a hug?

  70. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 8, 2013 at 9:11 pm #

    scott e: sometimes,

    but no, I don’t… I think you are generally acerbic, unpleasant to chat with, that’s why I usually pass by your (both of you) comments.

    Either that or because you can’t actually answer anytime you’re put into a corner. Apparently in this case baby gets put into the corner

  71. avatar
    Yoda May 8, 2013 at 9:56 pm #

    Rush is a drug. He says things that create a certain reaction amongst his listeners. In order to keep getting that reaction he has to be more and more sensational. Worse, for those listeners who are no longer getting the same high from Rush, they progressively move to the Becks, the Savages and finally the Alex Joneses.

  72. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater May 8, 2013 at 9:59 pm #

    Yoda:
    Rush is a drug.He says things that create a certain reaction amongst his listeners.In order to keep getting that reaction he has to be more and more sensational.Worse, for those listeners who are no longer getting the same high from Rush, they progressively move to the Becks, the Savages and finally the Alex Joneses.

    Everyone knows Alex Jones is the crystal meth of the radio world

  73. avatar
    alg May 8, 2013 at 11:22 pm #

    Several years ago I recall hearing Rush obsess on the radio over the fact that he could see Hillary Clinton’s panty line beneath her pantsuit. Aside from being utterly appalled, I then realized that Mr. Limbaugh has a serious problem, probably best understood by his addiction to OxyContin and penchant for sex tourism excursions to the Dominican Republic.

  74. avatar
    Rickey May 9, 2013 at 1:13 am #

    scott e:
    I will add that if he did call anyone names, that were inappropriate

    “If” Rush called anyone names? You mean that you actually don’t remember that he called Sandra Fluke a slut and a prostitute? You really don’t remember that?

    He finally was forced to make a half-hearted apology after sponsors began to drop his show.

  75. avatar
    US Citizen May 9, 2013 at 2:23 am #

    I find that the GOP spends inordinate amounts of time on things in the past they have no control over (Benghazi), but ignore spending time on present or future issues they can have control over.

  76. avatar
    scott e May 9, 2013 at 8:03 am #

    alg:
    Several years ago I recall hearing Rush obsess on the radio over the fact that he could see Hillary Clinton’s panty line beneath her pantsuit.Aside from being utterly appalled, I then realized that Mr. Limbaugh has a serious problem, probably best understood by his addiction to OxyContin and penchant for sex tourism excursions to the Dominican Republic.

    lot’s of good people struggle with various addictions. opiates can grab people in a short time, after injuries or surgery. I think it was a vacation, I also believe that if he wasn’t who he was, it never would have been headlines. now he is married to a lovely woman (Kathryn r.) there are people on both sides with personal problems. rush doesn’t ever really talk about the birther issue. nor do most of the heavy hitter mainstreams. I think that is you and the other antibirthers’ excellent work (as perceived by the left).

  77. avatar
    scott e May 9, 2013 at 8:10 am #

    Rickey: “If” Rush called anyone names? You mean that you actually don’t remember that he called Sandra Fluke a slut and a prostitute? You really don’t remember that?

    He finally was forced to make a half-hearted apology after sponsors began to drop his show.

    no, I do remember that, it was this last cycle. and again, I do not approve of that language, I just don’t think it helps. but it happens on both sides. and when it does, they should apologise. I think being on the air is a responsibility to all the people, we should be held accountable.

  78. avatar
    scott e May 9, 2013 at 8:11 am #

    US Citizen:
    I find that the GOP spends inordinate amounts of time on things in the past they have no control over (Benghazi), but ignore spending time on present or future issues they can have control over.

    it’s very important. but again it happens on both sides.

  79. avatar
    scott e May 9, 2013 at 8:27 am #

    Yoda:
    Rush is a drug.He says things that create a certain reaction amongst his listeners.In order to keep getting that reaction he has to be more and more sensational.Worse, for those listeners who are no longer getting the same high from Rush, they progressively move to the Becks, the Savages and finally the Alex Joneses.

    I think Stephanie miller is especially nasty for the left, there are others, I don’t like either side to be like that, when they don’t have to be, but they are all searching for ratings and sponsors.

  80. avatar
    Yoda May 9, 2013 at 8:39 am #

    scott e: I think Stephanie miller is especially nasty for the left, there are others, I don’t like either side to be like that, when they don’t have to be, but they are all searching for ratings and sponsors.

    People have to recognize that Rush and his ilk are not journalists or even pundits, they are entertainers and nothing more. Bob Grant did the same thing in NY for years before anyone ever head of Rush Limbaugh. I actually don’t listen to many of the liberal talking heads, but the couple of times that I have heard Stephanie Miller, it was obvious that she was a comedian. No doubt that she makes fun of people, I watched a video of her interviewing Taitz. But Taitz either had no idea or did not care that she was being mocked openly. I get the distinct impression that Miller likes to take people who take themselves too seriously and knock them down a peg or two, but I don’t know enough about her work to say that for sure. The RWNJs, who have no sense of humor, are perfect targets for her.

    As to Rush, I used to listen now and then and I CAN say this with certainty. I have fact checked several things he said and I have never found him to be right on his facts. To be clear, I am not saying that I fact checked everything I heard, only those things that he said that I found difficult to believe and he was never right.

    Case in point, he claimed that the melting of the southern polar ice cap could not affect the level of water in the ocean because when ice melts it can only replace the amount of water that it displaces. The southern polar ice cap sits on top of land mass and it is not displacing any water. That one always stuck with me.

  81. avatar
    Suranis May 9, 2013 at 10:18 am #

    But you see Yoda, being completely wrong about everything and lying constantly is ok, as long as you are right.

  82. avatar
    scott e May 9, 2013 at 1:53 pm #

    Case in point, he claimed that the melting of the southern polar ice cap could not affect the level of water in the ocean because when ice melts it can only replace the amount of water that it displaces. The southern polar ice cap sits on top of land mass and it is not displacing any water. That one always stuck with me.

    ***************************************

    I think everything was well said, notwithstanding the above. my dad signed the petition against the kyoto protocol (17.000 real scientists), I still agree with his assessment.

    I think al gore is a con artist, and the polar caps melt and refreeze every year, to a large degree, pun well intended.

    inconvenient truth, is filled with holes and misleading claims. plus he saved the animated frog, and he could have saved the polar bear, which I believe he intentionally let swim away to it’s animated death. not cool man.

    no one ever talks about population, and the subsequent CO2 emissions from people, not to mention methane.

    some day we should be able to tap the earth for heat and consumable energy, at the same time cooling the earth.

    it’s all about technology, imho.

  83. avatar
    Daniel May 9, 2013 at 1:58 pm #

    scott e:
    Case in point, he claimed that the melting of the southern polar ice cap could not affect the level of water in the ocean because when ice melts it can only replace the amount of water that it displaces. The southern polar ice cap sits on top of land mass and it is not displacing any water. That one always stuck with me.

    I think everything was well said, notwithstanding the above. my dad signed the petition against the kyoto protocol (17.000 real scientists), I still agree with his assessment.

    I think al gore is a con artist, and the polar caps melt and refreeze every year, to a large degree, pun well intended.

    inconvenient truth, is filled with holes and misleading claims. plus he saved the animated frog, and he could have saved the polar bear, which I believe he intentionally let swim away to it’s animated death. not cool man.

    no one ever talks about population, and the subsequent CO2 emissions from people, not to mention methane.

    some day we should be able to tap the earth for heat and consumable energy, at the same time cooling the earth.

    it’s all about technology, imho.

    Unfortunately the universe doesn’t give a rat’s hiney what you think.

    No one in power is paying attention to what you think, which is good, since your statements above show you know as much as the average arm chair warrior about earth sciences; roughly equal to sweet dick all.

  84. avatar
    Andrew Morris May 9, 2013 at 2:07 pm #

    Talking of disgusting things, it seems that Orly is rapidly losing traffic to her site. This is partly I’m sure that she is so clearly a loser that even the RWNJ crowd have given up on her; but it may also be that as she veers into far-right politics (because really, there isn’t much she can now say about Obama eligibility) she competes with people who can do that much better. If you look at comments, most of her posts now have somewhere between zero and one.

    Yesterday, though, she posted a carefully worded incitement to military insurrection. Leavign aside that she doesn’t understand the meaning of coup d-etat (she said that Obama is mounting one) she went on to say that “in her opinion” the military “might” start arresting politicians ane members of the executive branch. Useless lawyer though she is, someone must have warned her to hedge her bets on how she phrased that.

  85. avatar
    nbc May 9, 2013 at 2:27 pm #

    scott e: I think al gore is a con artist, and the polar caps melt and refreeze every year, to a large degree, pun well intended.

    And yet the evidence showing global warming is immense and the human contribution to it has been well established.

    But some people do not really care and instead call people ‘con artists’.

    Ignorance should not be an excuse for such a statement.

    some day we should be able to tap the earth for heat and consumable energy, at the same time cooling the earth.

    Perhaps but what do we do until that moment? Ignoring all this? The idea that technology will fix it all is indeed true to an extent where we switch to non carbon resources for energy

  86. avatar
    scott e May 9, 2013 at 4:07 pm #

    nbc: And yet the evidence showing global warming is immense and the human contribution to it has been well established.

    But some people do not really care and instead call people ‘con artists’.

    Ignorance should not be an excuse for such a statement.

    Perhaps but what do we do until that moment? Ignoring all this? The idea that technology will fix it all is indeed true to an extent where we switch to non carbon resources for energy

    technology doesn’t fix anything, it’s about technology in the hands of the right people.

    btw isn’t that a cat body above ?? is that composite layered ??

  87. avatar
    Suranis May 9, 2013 at 4:14 pm #

    Margret Thatcher stated that human induced climate change was the greatest threat humanity faced when she was in power. No-one can accuse her of being a bleeding heart liberal and she saw the evidence plain as day, 30 years ago.

    inconvenient truth, is filled with holes and misleading claims

    That’s funny, when the evidence for all those misleading claims was put before a court in Merry old England, the court only found 3 of the hundreds of claims of misleading information were actually valid.

  88. avatar
    JRC May 9, 2013 at 4:26 pm #

    This is the scott e on global warming. First off, population is an important issue to the scientists. The idea that when the Earth heats up and we have drought and flooding in areas that destroy crops in areas where the majority of our food comes is just basic. So can the world support a growing population when yields drop? Scientists do discuss, study, and research population relating to climate change. As for your people argument with increased CO2 and methane, I’m guessing you are speaking of us breathing, and farting? That is like the tired argument about increased cattle production. You have to understand there is natural CO2 cycle which has been fairly balanced for the last 100,000 years or more. The problem is with the natural cycle. It’s with releasing millions of years of naturally sequestered C into the atmosphere within a period of less than 200 years. Just an example that I hope makes my point, though not perfectly. Think of a dam like Hoover as nature holding back sequestered C. It rains, and some water may run over the dam. As long as the dam is in place things stay fairly steady. But if the dam breaks and all of that is released in a short period of time everything in the path will be destroyed.

  89. avatar
    JRC May 9, 2013 at 4:29 pm #

    I meant to type the problem isn’t with the natural cycle. It’s with releasing millions (probably billions of years)

  90. avatar
    nbc May 9, 2013 at 5:03 pm #

    scott e: technology doesn’t fix anything, it’s about technology in the hands of the right people.

    Same applies to knowledge. Having people like Boehner pretend that the science on Global Warming is not settled, is not very helpful

  91. avatar
    nbc May 9, 2013 at 5:08 pm #

    JRC: As for your people argument with increased CO2 and methane, I’m guessing you are speaking of us breathing, and farting?

    And the methane stored in ocean which when warming up may release them in catastrophic events…

    We are so foolish in our believes that technology can/will fix our problems…

  92. avatar
    sfjeff May 9, 2013 at 5:16 pm #

    I am really pretty much a silent pessimist when it comes to global warming.

    To me it has always been fairly straight forward- one of two things:

    a) Either human activities are causing global warming or
    b) They are not.

    If a is true- and we get it wrong(like we are now) then our very civilization, possibly the existance of human kind could come to the end.

    If b is true- well then we may have wasted sometime.

    I think gambling that the science is wrong, when if the science is correct my children or grandchildren may be suffering the end of our world, is a fools bet.

    But the anti-global warming forces are zealots. And frankly I don’t know understand why other than being anti-science.

  93. avatar
    Woodrowfan May 9, 2013 at 6:47 pm #

    Our pet troll may be the single most gullible human being on the planet.

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    Kiwiwriter May 9, 2013 at 7:59 pm #

    Andrew Morris:
    Talking of disgusting things, it seems that Orly is rapidly losing traffic to her site. This is partly I’m sure that she is so clearly a loser that even the RWNJ crowd have given up on her; but it may also be that as she veers into far-right politics (because really, there isn’t much she can now say about Obama eligibility) she competes with people who can do that much better. If you look at comments, most of her posts now have somewhere between zero and one.

    Yesterday, though, she posted a carefully worded incitement to military insurrection. Leavign aside that she doesn’t understand the meaning of coup d-etat (she said that Obama is mounting one) she went on to say that “in her opinion” the military “might” start arresting politicians ane members of the executive branch. Useless lawyer though she is, someone must have warned her to hedge her bets on how she phrased that.

    I guess she’ll be left with only people as crazy or crazier than her, which is good…except people as crazy or crazier than her could cause chaos for innocent folks.

  95. avatar
    G May 9, 2013 at 8:20 pm #

    A very apt analogy. I would add “and crazy.” I’ve seriously come to the conclusion that all this poisoning and paranoia cause real brain damage. Sadly, I see no bottom to the downward spiral of some of these folks…

    Suranis: Yeah it makes sense that if you are just filling your head with poison the whole time, you are going to get sick. That’s pretty much whats happened to political discourse. Its also whats happened with Birthers and other conspiracy theorists I suppose. They are so sick now they are blind.

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    Keith May 9, 2013 at 10:47 pm #

    nbc: And the methane stored in ocean which when warming up may release them in catastrophic events…

    We are so foolish in our believes that technology can/will fix our problems…

    Did you mean methane stored in the tundra which is melting at a record clip releasing methane as organisms start breaking it down. Irreversible and a runaway freight train.

  97. avatar
    misha marinsky May 9, 2013 at 10:48 pm #

    scott e: it happens on both sides

    Link please.

  98. avatar
    Suranis May 9, 2013 at 10:56 pm #

    Interesting article on Limbaugh’s effect on the wider Radio business and the corrosive influence he has. basicly no-one wants to advertise with Limbaugh, people were without realising it. Then they got pissed because all they bought was blocks of advertising and the radio stations didn;t really have any control over them. Result is that the radio stations are ditching talk radio more and more just out of sheer terror at what Limbaugh will say next and cause more of their advertisers to ditch them

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/03/01/rush-limbaugh-still-toxic-for-advertisers-one-y/192865

  99. avatar
    US Citizen May 9, 2013 at 11:36 pm #

    If you don’t believe in global warming, try finding a copy or showing of the 2012 documentary “Chasing Ice.”

    I particularly liked the response this woman provided after seeing it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzw1dZNWiL8

  100. avatar
    nbc May 10, 2013 at 12:09 am #

    Keith: Did you mean methane stored in the tundra which is melting at a record clip releasing methane as organisms start breaking it down. Irreversible and a runaway freight train.

    Methane clathrate

    See also

    A changing Gulf Stream off the East Coast has destabilized frozen methane deposits trapped under nearly 4,000 square miles of seafloor, scientists reported Wednesday. And since methane is even more potent than carbon dioxide as a global warming gas, the researchers said, any large-scale release could have significant climate impacts.

    and

    Using seismic records and ocean models, the team estimated that 2.5 gigatonnes of frozen methane hydrate are being destabilized and could separate into methane gas and water.

    source

  101. avatar
    Rickey May 10, 2013 at 12:14 am #

    scott e: no, I do remember that, it was this last cycle. and again, I do not approve of that language, I just don’t think it helps. but it happens on both sides. and when it does, they should apologise. I think being on the air is a responsibility to all the people, we should be held accountable.

    Please provide evidence that any commentator on the left has called anyone on the right the equivalent of a slut and prostitute. Your comment sounds like false equivalence to me.

  102. avatar
    Keith May 10, 2013 at 12:53 am #

    nbc: Methane clathrate

    Huh. OK, hadn’t seen that one. Further link following reveals that ‘they’ are finding quite a few different clathrate reservoirs, in lakes, oceans, and wet meadows – and they are all under threat.

    People need to start worrying about methane, real quick. Its called tipping points folk. Controlling the CO2 (which the world is NOT doing) will slow down the ACC that has been accounted for. Almost no-one has accounted for the methane that will be produced by a 1 degree change or a 2 degree change because we don’t know all the sources.

    So if we are happy to live with the 1 degree of change cause by x amount of CO2, that is just too bad, because that will affect the methane too and cause even more change.

    Like I said, once you start melting the permafrost and releasing the trapped methane, you are trying to stop a runaway train.

    Other discussions: Arctic methane release and Methane bursts from frozen tundra and really check out the video in this one: An Arctic Climate Catastrophe?.

    We estimate that 10 times the amount of methane that is in the atmosphere will come out of these lakes.

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    nbc May 10, 2013 at 3:00 am #

    Keith:
    People need to start worrying about methane, real quick.

    Yep… Once the temperatures go up, and methane is released it will be one nasty positive feedback loop…

    “all natural” by set in motion by our ignorance…

  104. avatar
    JD Reed May 17, 2013 at 2:15 pm #

    Yoda:
    Rush is a drug.He says things that create a certain reaction amongst his listeners.In order to keep getting that reaction he has to be more and more sensational.Worse, for those listeners who are no longer getting the same high from Rush, they progressively move to the Becks, the Savages and finally the Alex Joneses.

    Good point. Researchers in January 2006, I believe, looked into how the brain functioned when provided unpalatable information. Typically, the brain’s owner would take a few moments to deal with the unwelcome incoming, and when he or she had sufficiently rationalized the impact away, the brain would shoot itself a feel-good chemical.
    Confirmation bias under the microscope.l