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The occasional open thread: Pollyanna edition

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  1. avatar
    Arthur June 29, 2013 at 9:35 am #

    I always thought we lived in a democracy, not a theocracy . . . apparently in Pennsylvania, some Republicans can’t tell the difference.

    “State Rep. Brian Sims (D-Philadelphia) took to the House floor on Thursday to discuss the high court’s landmark ruling, which found the federal law barring the government from recognizing same-sex marriages legalized by states to be unconstitutional. However, as WHYY News and Philly.com report, Sims’ remarks were blocked by several state lawmakers using a procedural maneuver.

    “One of those lawmakers, conservative state Rep. Daryl Metcalfe (R-Butler), told WHYY that he believed Sims’ comments would be a violation of ‘God’s law.’

    “‘I did not believe that as a member of that body that I should allow someone to make comments such as he was preparing to make that ultimately were just open rebellion against what the word of God has said, what God has said, and just open rebellion against God’s law,’ Metcalfe said.”

    Welcome to Iran!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/brian-sims-doma_n_3513741.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

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    CarlOrcas June 29, 2013 at 10:12 am #

    Arthur: Welcome to Iran!

    And if you confronted Representative Sims about his Taliban-like ways he would probably be truly shocked….maybe even offended.

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    Keith June 29, 2013 at 10:33 am #

    Interesting read: Positive and Negative Liberty

    I was contemplating the underlying philosophy of so-called “Libertarianism” remembering that its ‘father’ abandoned the idea ( The Liberty Scam ), when I was reminded of an interview on the Australian Radio National program “Late Night Live” that was part of their ‘1000 Years in a Day’ marathon on 31 December 1999 (but which I just heard on a CD last month). The interviewee, an American academic, discussed the ideas of ‘positive’ and ‘negative’ liberty. I couldn’t remember hearing the terms before, so I looked it up. The above linked article explains it quite well, I think.

    The question that I am pursuing is: in what way can Rand Paul or his supporters call themselves ‘libertarians’. What is their definition of ‘liberty’? I think most Libertarians would identify with ‘negative’ liberty, that is, an absence of obstacles, barriers, constraints or interference from others; as opposed to ‘positive’ liberty, that is, the presence of self-control, self-mastery, self-determination or self-realization.

    So, if Libertarians are adherents of ‘negative liberty’ then how do they justify Paul’s stance on abortion or drugs? It is certainly putting up obstacles, barriers, constraints or interference from others in the way of personal will to do as one desires.

    Rand’s father Ron seems to have view pretty consistent with that standard picture of a Libertarian, where the State should just get out of the way of personal desire. On the other hand, Rand calls himself a ‘Libertarian Republican’ and seems to have views that put him solidly within the ‘positive’ liberty world view where the State tries to control what personal desires should be.

    Rand’s back down on his ‘fetal person-hood’ bill is an attempt to retrieve some of his libertarian mojo, and Rand is just another cynical conservative politician, hoping to take advantage of his daddy’s constituency. How can you go from ‘100% Pro-life’ one day to ‘thousands of exceptions’ the next day?

    Even if the ‘thousands of exceptions’ mean that women can effectively choose to have an abortion (thus seemingly satisfying the negative liberty ethos), if there aren’t any medical practitioners that are allowed, qualified, or willing to provide the operations, how can women take advantage of their liberty?

    The circular arguments just keep spinning and spinning when you examine Libertarianism in any detail what-so-ever. There is no place to stop. The only way to be a consistent Libertarian is to be an Anarchist, but to be an Anarchist automatically means you agree to be oppressed by some other anarchist that is bigger than you, and thus give up your so-called liberty.

    On the abortion debate, George Carlin said just about everything that needs to be said way back in 1999: If you’re pre-born you’re fine; if you’re pre-school you’re f*cked… “People say life begins at conception? I say life began about a billions years ago and its a continuous process. Continuous, just keeps rolling along, rolling, rolling, rolling along”.

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    Arthur June 29, 2013 at 11:25 am #

    CarlOrcas: And if you confronted Representative Sims about his Taliban-like ways he would probably be truly shocked….maybe even offended.

    My theocracy plus good. Their theocracy double bad.

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    donna June 29, 2013 at 12:04 pm #

    On the morning of the state’s 500th execution, Perry called the special session to pass SB5, the sweeping abortion bill halted by a marathon filibuster Tuesday from state Sen. Wendy Davis, by saying “In Texas, we value all life.”

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    G June 29, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

    Good analysis. Well said!

    Keith: The circular arguments just keep spinning and spinning when you examine Libertarianism in any detail what-so-ever. There is no place to stop. The only way to be a consistent Libertarian is to be an Anarchist, but to be an Anarchist automatically means you agree to be oppressed by some other anarchist that is bigger than you, and thus give up your so-called liberty.

    Yep. That pretty much sums up the simple-minded (and supremely flawed) thought process of that mentality…

    Arthur: My theocracy plus good. Their theocracy double bad.

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    Arthur June 29, 2013 at 3:40 pm #

    I was looking for information on an unrelated topic and came across some predictions Doc made back in Dec. 2010.

    “OK, I’m going WAY OUT ON A LIMB this year with my predictions for 2011.

    1. A copy of Barack Obama’s original Birth Certificate will be released to the public

    2. The Birth Certificate will show the President was born at the Kapi’olani Maternity and Gynecological hospital.

    3. Documents will be released by the US State Department that prove Stanley Ann Obama did not have a US Passport in 1961.

    4. Dr. Terry Lakin will disown birtherism.

    5. Orly Taitz DDS, Esq will be disbarred by California.

    6. NEW! Barack Obama will be president this time next year.

    7. NEW, NEW! Orly Taitz will run for President.”

    Not bad, but how depressing that after 2 1/2 years, #5. has not come true.

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    gorefan June 29, 2013 at 3:53 pm #

    Under the cool stuff category. For the 150th anniversay of the Battle of Gettysburg, the Smitsonian has new digital interactive maps that may explian General Lee’s decisions.

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/A-Cutting-Edge-Second-Look-at-the-Battle-of-Gettysburg.html

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    CarlOrcas June 29, 2013 at 5:24 pm #

    Arthur: My theocracy plus good. Their theocracy double bad.

    And, by the way, my theocracy says its okay for me to kill you because your theocracy is bad.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG June 30, 2013 at 12:46 pm #

    So, Orly thinks because of some completely unrelated case, she now has a precedent which will no doubt work for her’s. http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=426936 I love it when she sets herself up for such lofty disappointment. It makes the following meltdown SO much sweeter.

    She’s like The Amazing Criswell, but without the spiffy coiffure, or the sweet-ass B movie appearances.

    No, scratch that. I think she might have been the mummy in The Human Robot vs the Aztec Mummy.(Outside of the El Santo movies, it’s Mexico’s finest B sci-fi!)

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    richCares June 30, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

    back on line, GREAT!
    I couldn’t get my Obama Conspiracy fix. it was like going cold turkey, my wife was searching the jacket the psychiatrist left last time. You came back on line just in time.

  12. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 30, 2013 at 1:05 pm #

    We were down about 17 hours–all the servers at VPS.net in Atlanta were down. Power failure, backup generator failure, file system failure. Big ugly mess.

    During extended outages like this, you can usually find out more at http://status.obamaconspiracy.org.

    richCares: You came back on line just in time.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG June 30, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    We were down about 17 hours–all the servers at VPS.net in Atlanta were down. Power failure, backup generator failure, file system failure. Big ugly mess.

    During extended outages like this, you can usually find out more at http://status.obamaconspiracy.org.

    This is one of the things that separates us from birthers.
    When a site goes down, birthers suspect tampering or a conspiracy.
    Citizens of reality, on the other hand, go “Oh, it must have been a power failure, or some kind of hardware problems.”

  14. avatar
    scott e June 30, 2013 at 4:02 pm #

    do you still have obots.org ?

  15. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 30, 2013 at 4:43 pm #

    It’s my site, but nothing has happened there for a long time.

    scott e: do you still have obots.org ?

  16. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 1, 2013 at 12:59 am #

    I see that Sam Sewell has reprinted an old article from the Daily Pen, one that faked evidence, and that I had totally discredited last year:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/us-citizen-births-in-africarare-in-1961/

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/born-in-africa-myth-crushed-under-weight-of-complexity/

    Sammy, this ain’t “BREAKING.” This garbage is thoroughly composted.

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    nbc July 1, 2013 at 5:08 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Sammy, this ain’t “BREAKING.” This garbage is thoroughly composted.

    Oh those poor fools suffering from confirmation bias…

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    The Magic M July 1, 2013 at 9:31 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Sammy, this ain’t “BREAKING.”

    Don’t scold him for being consistent. In Birtherverse, everything is the opposite of the sane world. So obviously old debunked claims are “breaking news”. 😉

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    Dave July 1, 2013 at 10:53 am #

    The latest example of birthers grasping desperately for anyone to agree with them: at ORYR a headline about Allen West going “full birther” is over a story in which West uses the words “usurper” and “charlatan” to refer the Obama. Sorry, guys, that’s not “full birther,” that’s just throwing you a scrap — and my goodness, look how you jumped for it.

    Link

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    donna July 1, 2013 at 10:58 am #

    The Guardian Deletes NSA ‘Scoop’ That Quoted Conspiracy Theorist

    The Guardian’s website on Saturday published and then subsequently took down an article on government surveillance titled “Revealed: secret European deals to hand over private data to America.”

    According to Business Insider, the article relied on information from Wayne Madsen, a former NSA employee. Madsen is also a CONSPIRACY THEORIST. He believes that President Obama is secretly a homosexual, and that the Boston bombing suspects were government agents.

    Here’s a snippet from the now-deleted article, which Business Insider saved:

    Madsen said the countries had “formal second and third party status” under signal intelligence (sigint) agreements that compels them to hand over data, including mobile phone and internet information to the NSA if requested.

    The article, by Jamie Doward, was originally written for The Observer, a Sunday newspaper owned by The Guardian.

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/guardian-deletes-nsa-scoop-that-quoted-conspiracy-theorist

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    Benji Franklin July 1, 2013 at 11:37 am #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: So, Orly thinks because of some completely unrelated case, she now has a precedent which will no doubt work for her’s. http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=426936 I

    If Orly began today, starting from LESS than no knowledge of Law, where she is now, and studiously acquired a law degree by actually learning what lawyers are minimally supposed to know, I think even she, would be mortified to look back and see how certainly her actions against Obama have revealed to real lawyers, that she knows almost nothing about the standard operations of the legal profession, or about how to fairly and accurately parse the English language.

    She’s like someone who has memorized a few commands from a programming language trying to make impressive technical small talk at a programmers’ convention.

  22. avatar
    Stephen July 1, 2013 at 12:15 pm #

    Just found this word:
    mumpsimus
    PRONUNCIATION:
    (MUMP-suh-muhs)

    MEANING:
    noun:
    1. A view stubbornly held in spite of clear evidence that it’s wrong.
    2. A person who holds such a view.

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    Kiwiwriter July 1, 2013 at 12:33 pm #

    Yeah, Libertarianism is popular with the overly-educated and the poorly-educated. The former are usually academics and the latter are usually meth and pot growers irritated with the fact that their business is illegal.

    Also followers of Ayn Rand, who was very much crazy.

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    misha marinsky July 1, 2013 at 1:42 pm #

    Kiwiwriter: Libertarianism is popular with the overly-educated and the poorly-educated.

    Libertarian calls 911:

    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2013/06/libertarian-calls-911.html

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    misha marinsky July 1, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

    Kiwiwriter: Also followers of Ayn Rand, who was very much crazy.

    She was born Alisa Rosenbaum, in Russia.

    Ayn Rand is one of America’s great mysteries. She was an amphetamine-addicted author of sub-Dan Brown potboilers, who in her spare time wrote torrents of praise for serial killers and the Bernie Madoff-style embezzlers of her day. She opposed democracy on the grounds that “the masses” – her readers – were “lice” and “parasites” who scarcely deserved to live.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/ayn-rand-can-two-new-biographies-unravel-the-mystery-of-the-mad-sad-heroine-of-the-american-right-1819464.html

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    Thomas Brown July 1, 2013 at 2:12 pm #

    Stephen:
    Just found this word:
    mumpsimus
    PRONUNCIATION:
    (MUMP-suh-muhs)

    MEANING:
    noun:
    1. A view stubbornly held in spite of clear evidence that it’s wrong.
    2. A person who holds such a view.

    I propose an additional term: “mugwumpsimus.” That’s for people who claim “we still don’t know” or “the jury’s still out” even after there is strong and reliable consensus about something.

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    ZixiOfIx July 1, 2013 at 11:19 pm #

    Keith:
    Interesting read: Positive and Negative Liberty

    Rand’s father Ron seems to have view pretty consistent with that standard picture of a Libertarian, where the State should just get out of the way of personal desire. On the other hand, Rand calls himself a ‘Libertarian Republican’ and seems to have views that put him solidly within the ‘positive’ liberty world view where the State tries to control what personal desires should be.

    First of all, no. Ron Paul doesn’t have a pretty consistent Libertarian view. Ron Paul is vehemently pro-life. A consistent Libertarian view would be to hold whatever view you have and apply it to your life personally. Don’t like abortions? Don’t have one. Don’t want someone else to have an abortion? Try to talk them out of it. Federal legislation wouldn’t be part of the scheme.

    Additionally, Ron Paul was always happy to take federal money for his district.

    As for the rest of your post, Rand Paul is trying to do what every politician with higher aspirations does – he’s trying to say the things that built the largest coalition of potential voters possible without angering other voters.

    They all do this, as far as I can tell.

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    Keith July 2, 2013 at 1:48 am #

    ZixiOfIx: First of all, no. Ron Paul doesn’t have a pretty consistent Libertarian view. Ron Paul is vehemently pro-life.

    OK, yeah you are right, I was wrong.

    Not sure where I read that as a distinction between father and son, but on further research, I either misread it or was misled somewhere along the line.

    Thanks for the correction.

  29. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 2, 2013 at 12:53 pm #

    Remember how Kessler was the newest birther darling just a few short weeks ago?
    And they, like the idiots that they are, were pinning all of their hopes on him?
    Well, he caught wind that Zullo is just some used car salesman who likes to pretend he’s in law enforcement, and now Kessler wants nothing to do with the CCP.
    So now the inmates at ORYR are of the “He’s a drunkard cop from a one horse town! Who needs him?!” mindset.

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    Daniel July 2, 2013 at 1:52 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Well, he caught wind that Zullo is just some used car salesman who likes to pretend he’s in law enforcement, and now Kessler wants nothing to do with the CCP.

    Which is kind of funny, since “Chief” Kessler is the only member of his “Chiefdom”, ie the only police officer, in a town of 796 people.

    Don’t you actually have to have other police officers to be Chief of, to reasonably be a police Chief?

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    Arthur July 2, 2013 at 2:04 pm #

    Kessler sure hates him some Mike Zullo:

    “I mean, it’s just enough to make your blood boil when [Zullo] drags law enforcement officers into a room and pretends to be a cop. Pretends to be a deputy sheriff, or whatever, with powers to arrest– the whole nine years. This reporter who contacted me– I told her right out–if Mike Zullo shows up in Pennsylvania, and I’ll pay for his plane ticket, I will throw his ass in county, I will lock him up for impersonating a police officer.”

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 2, 2013 at 2:49 pm #

    A real life comment from one of ORYR’s posters about the Kessler/Zullo debate.

    The media would take Kesslers word over Mike Zullo when it came to stating the facts of Zullo’s background. This is what we don’t need. Kessler should back down.

    Yeah, the last thing the birther cause needs is more of those pesky “fact” thingies getting out. I dare say that those are down right damaging their cause beyond repair! 😉

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    Benji Franklin July 2, 2013 at 4:26 pm #

    Daniel: Don’t you actually have to have other police officers to be Chief of, to reasonably be a police Chief?

    Not in Birther World parsing, you don’t. If it helps to accuse Obama, they ignore group plurals (getting their two- citizen parent requirement interpretation) and invent the group singular. That’s what makes Orly the chief Constitutional Dentist.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 2, 2013 at 6:54 pm #

    The farce is getting better!
    Now they’re denying that Zullo was a car salesman, and that it was an ugly rumor started by an ex CCP member. LOL.

  35. avatar
    Daniel July 2, 2013 at 8:19 pm #

    Who bought a car from him….

  36. avatar
    US Citizen July 2, 2013 at 9:38 pm #

    Open thread, so thought I’d share something:

    My wife got fired today from her job.
    She was originally hired 6 mos ago just as a receptionist with light parts buying duties, but over the months they’d piled more and more duties and responsibilities upon her.
    Soon, she was responsible for and as:

    Parts compliance officer (ROHS, ANSI, ISO, etc)
    Shipper
    Accounting (receivables, payables, etc)
    Parts preparation and light assembly (PCB soldering, harnessing, etc.)
    Database creation and light HTML programming, etc.

    Oh, but let me add….. all of this for $10/hr!
    This hourly wage was what they agreed on initially for just being a receptionist.

    California has hamburger chains that pay more than
    this for flipping burgers.
    In n’ Out burger can pay more than $12/hr.

    Now California is mostly a blue state, but we ourselves live in a fairly red area.
    A casual conversation with someone at, say, the post office would generally start out with a problem expressed and invariably end with “it’s all Obama’s fault.
    That’s the standard for this particular area.

    Well, this week at my wife’s company, they were discussing DOMA.
    Most of the employees were doing their standard “it’s all Obama’s fault” dance.
    Some were even saying that “Obama is a child murderer” as a response to the SCOTUS ruling regarding same-sex marriage.
    (you figure that one out… we can’t.)

    The next day their lunch room was again filled with more RWNJ talk.
    They were talking about racist issues, how raped women often brought such attacks on themselves, etc.

    But my wife (a Latina rape survivor) expressed her view that sometimes rape victims die in childbirth, can contract diseases and that children born out of rape can often experience a lifetime of problems such as trust issues, living in foster homes when young and the like.

    Well today, they fired her and with no warning.
    The reasons they gave was that she was incompetent and made too many mistakes.
    However just last week they had a performance review where they praised her for the same work.

    Since the laws states that someone can’t be fired for what religion they practice, their race, sex, etc, they had to choose something else and these were their substitute reasons.

    So, nothing here about birthers per se, but perhaps yet another good example of how some RW’s would rather shoot themselves in the foot than be wrong.

  37. avatar
    Reality Check July 2, 2013 at 9:56 pm #

    Sorry to hear about wife US Citizen. I have noticed that in most work places they will tolerate right wing hate speech and racism but are aghast if someone actually challenges their BS. It is a sad state of affairs.

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    Rickey July 2, 2013 at 10:55 pm #

    US Citizen:

    Well today, they fired her and with no warning.
    The reasons they gave was that she was incompetent and made too many mistakes.
    However just last week they had a performance review where they praised her for the same work.

    Since the laws states that someone can’t be fired for what religion they practice, their race, sex, etc, they had to choose something else and these were their substitute reasons.

    That’s regrettable, to be sure. I recommend that you and your wife contact an attorney who specializes in wrongful termination lawsuits. Does she have a copy of her latest performance review?

  39. avatar
    ellen July 3, 2013 at 6:31 am #

    More than a MONTH has passed since Zullo and the Cold Case Posse said that Reed Hayes of Hawaii was the Certified Document Examiner (CDE) who produced the 40 page opinion that they said claimed that Obama’s birth certificate is forged—and they STILL have not published that alleged 40-page document. I wonder why not?

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    Lani July 3, 2013 at 6:57 am #

    Reality Check:
    Sorry to hear about wife US Citizen.

    Me, too. I hope for a better outcome for both of you. I hope you spook them big time with a civil rights claim.

  41. avatar
    The Magic M July 3, 2013 at 7:19 am #

    ellen: and they STILL have not published that alleged 40-page document. I wonder why not?

    Because it is 100% irrefutable and convincing proof that the BC is a forgery, yet if an Obot so much as looks at the report, its mojo will instantly collapse into nothing and birthers will continue losing – or something, at least that’s how I understood Zullo’s “reasoning”.

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    Sactosintolerant July 3, 2013 at 9:52 am #

    ellen:
    More than a MONTH has passed since Zullo and the Cold Case Posse said that Reed Hayes of Hawaii was the Certified Document Examiner (CDE) who produced the 40 page opinion that they said claimed that Obama’s birth certificate is forged—and they STILL have not published that alleged 40-page document. I wonder why not?

    The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.

  43. avatar
    Kiwiwriter July 3, 2013 at 11:20 am #

    Very sorry to hear about your wife, US Citizen. Run, do not walk, to a good employment attorney.

    And a Happy Independence Day to everyone on the board…once again, John Adams’ wish for America’s celebration of its independence will come to life tomorrow….games, sports, shows, bonfires, and solemn observances.

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    Majority Will July 3, 2013 at 12:56 pm #

    Kiwiwriter:
    Very sorry to hear about your wife, US Citizen. Run, do not walk, to a good employment attorney.

    And a Happy Independence Day to everyone on the board…once again, John Adams’ wish for America’s celebration of its independence will come to life tomorrow….games, sports, shows, bonfires, and solemn observances.

    Except that John Adams thought we should celebrate on July 2nd! 🙂

    “The Second Day of July 1776, will be the most memorable Epocha, in the History of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated, by succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by solemn Acts of Devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with Pomp and Parade, with Shews, Games, Sports, Guns, Bells, Bonfires and Illuminations from one End of this Continent to the other from this Time forward forever more. You will think me transported with Enthusiasm but I am not. I am well aware of the Toil and Blood and Treasure, that it will cost Us to maintain this Declaration, and support and defend these States. Yet through all the Gloom I can see the Rays of ravishing Light and Glory. I can see that the End is more than worth all the Means. And that Posterity will tryumph in that Days Transaction, even altho We should rue it, which I trust in God We shall not.”

    (Excerpt from The Book of Abigail and John: Selected Letters of the Adams Family, 1762-1784, Harvard University Press, 1975).

  45. avatar
    Kiwiwriter July 3, 2013 at 1:09 pm #

    Majority Will: Except that John Adams thought we should celebrate on July 2nd!

    “The Second Day of July 1776, will be the most memorable Epocha, in the History of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated, by succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by solemn Acts of Devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with Pomp and Parade, with Shews, Games, Sports, Guns, Bells, Bonfires and Illuminations from one End of this Continent to the other from this Time forward forever more. You will think me transported with Enthusiasm but I am not. I am well aware of the Toil and Blood and Treasure, that it will cost Us to maintain this Declaration, and support and defend these States. Yet through all the Gloom I can see the Rays of ravishing Light and Glory. I can see that the End is more than worth all the Means. And that Posterity will tryumph in that Days Transaction, even altho We should rue it, which I trust in God We shall not.”

    (Excerpt from The Book of Abigail and John: Selected Letters of the Adams Family, 1762-1784, Harvard University Press, 1975).

    Yeah, I know…he missed the day…but his theory was right.

    He also warned that democracies perish by suicide, which is interesting.

  46. avatar
    Majority Will July 3, 2013 at 2:00 pm #

    Wow.

    “Republicans Attack Obama For Not Implementing Health Care Reform Quickly Enough”

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/07/03/2253781/republicans-attack-obama-for-not-implementing-health-care-reform-quickly-enough/

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    donna July 3, 2013 at 4:14 pm #

    Majority Will: “Republicans Attack Obama For Not Implementing Health Care Reform Quickly Enough”

    bush’s unfunded prescription drug plan was signed on 2003 but didn’t go into effect until 2006 and obamacare closes the bush donut hole

    Republican former CBO director, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, called obama “Deviously brilliant.”

    http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/02/obamas-brilliant-move-deals-blow-gops-2014-hopes.html

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    Arthur July 3, 2013 at 4:22 pm #

    So the Egyptian military has ousted Mohamed Morsi in a coup, and I was wondering how much time would elapase before birthers would be calling for the same thing to happen here. It didn’t take long. At ORYR we find this hysterical lamentation, complete with CAPITAL LETTERS and EXCLAMATION MARKS!

    “The people of Egypt realized they had been deceived and lied to by their President, 25 MILLION of them went to the Capital this week and stood protest to drive this lying Obama-Installed dictator OUT. Yet here in America we can’t get 20 people together in DC to protest ANYTHING anymore because people are afraid the IRS or the NSA or some other Obama controlled watchdog might be keeping track of who does what, that my friends is how Dictatorships are created, FEAR AND DIVISION. We should learn a thing or two from Egypt, at least they have the balls to stand up for their country, which is allot more than we can say about American’s anymore.

    “But if you think about it, to have 20 million people shutting down Washington DC, the most politically CORRUPT city in America, would be a startling wake up call for our Government and I believe the ONLY way we will straighten this mess out. It’s OUR Duty to utilize our freedoms to keep our Government in check

    “AMERICA HAS BEEN OVERTHROWN, WE MUST STOP THIS LAWLESS MADMAN NOW !!!!

    “Happy 237th Birthday America !!!”

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 3, 2013 at 4:48 pm #

    Twenty MILLION? They’d be lucky if they could get two dozen to show up!

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    Kiwiwriter July 3, 2013 at 5:23 pm #

    Arthur:
    So the Egyptian military has ousted Mohamed Morsi in a coup, and I was wondering how much time would elapase before birthers would be calling for the same thing to happen here. It didn’t take long. At ORYR we find this hysterical lamentation, complete with CAPITAL LETTERS and EXCLAMATION MARKS!

    “The people of Egypt realized they had been deceived and lied to by their President, 25 MILLION of them went to the Capital this week and stood protest to drive this lying Obama-Installed dictator OUT. Yet here in America we can’t get 20 people together in DC to protest ANYTHING anymore because people are afraid the IRS or the NSA or some other Obama controlled watchdog might be keeping track of who does what, that my friends is how Dictatorships are created, FEAR AND DIVISION. We should learn a thing or two from Egypt, at least they have the balls to stand up for their country, which is allot more than we can say about American’s anymore.

    “But if you think about it, to have 20 million people shutting down Washington DC, the most politically CORRUPT city in America, would be a startling wake up call for our Government and I believe the ONLY way we will straighten this mess out. It’s OUR Duty to utilize our freedoms to keep our Government in check

    “AMERICA HAS BEEN OVERTHROWN, WE MUST STOP THIS LAWLESS MADMAN NOW !!!!

    “Happy 237th Birthday America !!!”

    If even 20 guys show up for this event, I’ll be impressed.

  51. avatar
    misha marinsky July 3, 2013 at 6:50 pm #

    Arthur: “AMERICA HAS BEEN OVERTHROWN, WE MUST STOP THIS LAWLESS MADMAN NOW !!!!

    As long as you’re home in time for dinner.

  52. avatar
    Crustacean July 3, 2013 at 6:59 pm #

    How do Birthers even know whether they should boo or cheer?

    On one hand, a democratically elected government has been taken down. Birthers are always extolling the virtues of “We the People.” Birther: “BOOOO!!”

    On the other hand, they think Morsi is an evil dictator (election schmelection!). My guess is they think ACORN EGYPT must’ve helped Morsi steal the election or something; plus, he’s Muslim. Birther: “HURRAH!!”

    On one hand, a Constitution based on religious principles was nullified by secularists. Birthers are all about infusing their government with religion. Birther: “BOOOO!!”

    On the other hand, that religion is Islam. Suddenly those secularists are looking pretty good. HURRAH!!

    On one hand, the removal of Morsi is a shining example of what can happen when a movement has charismatic, intelligent activists like Mahmoud Badr, leading millions to oust a failed leader. HURRAH!!

    On the other hand, the Birthers have Orly Taitz, Sheriff Joe, and Donald Trump. Say it with me: BOOOO!!

    Arthur: So the Egyptian military has ousted Mohamed Morsi in a coup

  53. avatar
    Arthur July 3, 2013 at 8:47 pm #

    Crustacean: How do Birthers even know whether they should boo or cheer?

    Crustacean,

    Good point, but as we both know from reading comments at ORYR, birthers change their loyalties rapidly and are able to embrace contradictory beliefs. They can boo out of one side of their mouths, and cheer out of the other.

    For example, in the recent dust up between Zullo and Kessler, I saw commenters go from celebrating Kessler as the second coming of birtherism, to condemning him as a loud mouth clown. Likewise, birthers are capable of claiming Obama is a homosexual Marxist intent on turning America into a communist dictatorship, and at the same time, claiming that he’s a radical Islamist trying to institute Sharia law. They remind me of Nazi propagandists who argued that Jews were simultaneously responsible for Democracy, Communism, V.D., Jazz, and every other thing they feared or hated.

  54. avatar
    misha marinsky July 3, 2013 at 11:57 pm #

    Arthur: They remind me of Nazi propagandists who argued that Jews were simultaneously responsible for Democracy, Communism, V.D., Jazz, and every other thing they feared or hated.

    You forgot to mention the lack of trained animals in the circus.

  55. avatar
    The Magic M July 4, 2013 at 5:23 am #

    Arthur: ikewise, birthers are capable of claiming Obama is a homosexual Marxist intent on turning America into a communist dictatorship, and at the same time, claiming that he’s a radical Islamist trying to institute Sharia law.

    Or that he is the worst and most incompetent Prez ever, yet has nearly finished his grand plan of destroying good ole Murica while pulling off the greatest hoax in history.

    Or that he is an African who hates the West for colonialism, yet hates Africa and wants to reinstitute Western colonialism (the latest tripe on ORYR).

    Or that he is the son of both Malcolm X and Frank Marshall Davis, yet miraculously still was born in Kenya, but also Indonesia and possibly the moon.

    Or that he can coerce every politician and judge in the country to help him, controls the Internets and can murder the Breitbart, yet is unable to shut down a lowly blog such as ORYR or Orly’s.

  56. avatar
    The Magic M July 4, 2013 at 5:28 am #

    Arthur (quoting a birther): We should learn a thing or two from Egypt

    They should really be careful what they wish for.

    The Egyptian military intervened when Mursi openly called for military intervention in Syria, stating their only purpose is to protect Egypt’s borders.
    I don’t think birthers would’ve taken too well to the US military ousting GWB when he announced he’d intervene in Iraq.

  57. avatar
    Arthur July 4, 2013 at 11:56 am #

    misha marinsky: You forgot to mention the lack of trained animals in the circus.

    That’s what drove The Corporal over the edge. That and Wagner.

  58. avatar
    Arthur July 4, 2013 at 11:59 am #

    Well, when you put it that way, these birthers sound like real idiots.

    The Magic M: Or that he is the worst and most incompetent Prez ever, yet has nearly finished his grand plan of destroying good ole Murica while pulling off the greatest hoax in history.

    Or that he is an African who hates the West for colonialism, yet hates Africa and wants to reinstitute Western colonialism (the latest tripe on ORYR).

    Or that he is the son of both Malcolm X and Frank Marshall Davis, yet miraculously still was born in Kenya, but also Indonesia and possibly the moon.

    Or that he can coerce every politician and judge in the country to help him, controls the Internets and can murder the Breitbart, yet is unable to shut down a lowly blog such as ORYR or Orly’s.

  59. avatar
    Kiwiwriter July 4, 2013 at 1:30 pm #

    The Magic M: Or that he is the worst and most incompetent Prez ever, yet has nearly finished his grand plan of destroying good ole Murica while pulling off the greatest hoax in history.

    Or that he is an African who hates the West for colonialism, yet hates Africa and wants to reinstitute Western colonialism (the latest tripe on ORYR).

    Or that he is the son of both Malcolm X and Frank Marshall Davis, yet miraculously still was born in Kenya, but also Indonesia and possibly the moon.

    Or that he can coerce every politician and judge in the country to help him, controls the Internets and can murder the Breitbart, yet is unable to shut down a lowly blog such as ORYR or Orly’s.

    This kind of thinking only works if you are a devotee of George Orwell’s “Doublethink,” which Birthers — and a great many radicals — are.

    Neo-Nazi nutters pop up on Southern Poverty Law Center’s blog “Hatewatch,” and spout similar nonsense…we smack them down with the simple expedient of the truth, and the demand that they provide evidence for their idiotic claims.

    Occasionally, they actually do bring in a source, and it is invariably, even greater rubbish.

    Harvard psychologist Raphael Ezekiel interviewed neo-Nazi Tom Metzger, and Metzger claimed that Communism and Capitalism work together behind the scenes, and that the capitalists get their ideas from far-left wing publications.

    “Sure,” retorted Ezekiel. “The board of directors of General Motors gets its ideas from the Socialist Workers Party.”

    Metzger had a little trouble responding to that.

  60. avatar
    misha marinsky July 4, 2013 at 1:42 pm #

    Arthur: That and Wagner.

    Every time I listen to Wagner, I get the urge to invade Poland. – Woody Allen

    I hold the Jewish race to be the born enemy of pure humanity and everything noble in it. – Richard Wagner

  61. avatar
    Dave B. July 4, 2013 at 11:48 pm #

    So I found my way over to this:
    http://teapartyorg.ning.com/profiles/blogs/an-open-letter-to-the-courageous-242
    and discovered this lurking amongst the weeds:
    “While functioning as a Surprise Tea Party board member, I (Brian Reilly) also did volunteer research for the MCSO CCP as a private citizen for 7 months. I was twice asked to formally join the CCP, once in January 2012, and also in April 2012. Mike Zullo recruited me by invitation over 3,500 existing Posse members and I was sworn into the CCP on April 17, 2012 by Sheriff Arpaio. I participated in interviews, did research and traveled in 8 states. Volunteers are not paid, however I was provided with a county unmarked Crown Vic, a CCP badge and a county gas key for my use as a Posse member.”
    Well now.

  62. avatar
    The Magic M July 5, 2013 at 3:31 am #

    misha marinsky: Every time I listen to Wagner, I get the urge to invade Poland. – Woody Allen

    “How about I dress up as Poland and you invade me?” – Bette Midler, some 80’s comedy movie (paraphrased)

  63. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 5, 2013 at 8:50 am #

    Added to the site’s featured comments. Great find.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/favorites/

    Dave B.: and discovered this lurking amongst the weeds:

  64. avatar
    Soduko July 5, 2013 at 9:13 am #

    @Dave B,

    I am stunned. At the end of this man’s very lengthy, detailed letter, he says this:

    “President Obama could have saved us all a lot of time, aggravation, acrimony and division if he would have only had the common courtesy to put the paper hard copy of his Hawaiian long form birth certificate on display. It seems obvious to many that he has an agenda that is not in any way related to transparency or the best interests of the country. America deserves to know the truth about the alleged Obama birth certificate. Hopefully, the truth will come from a Congressional investigation or a filed criminal complaint and not from another book published by the CCP. America remains in perilous straits. God help us!”

    Uh, does he really not know about Obama’s press conference when he released the LFBC? Does he know about the Savannah Guthrie pic? Or the WND reporter who was there (name escapes me) who said he was satisfied with it?

    Or does he refuse to believe any of it?

    http://teapartyorg.ning.com/profiles/blogs/an-open-letter-to-the-courageous-242

  65. avatar
    Reality Check July 5, 2013 at 9:37 am #

    We have been discussing this at the Fogbow. It was posted at the Western Center for Journalism. I would like to see the Phoenix New Times pick up on this. This brings to mind several questions such as what are they supplying Zullo? Is Zullo’s car dealership supplying the cars and what is the MCSO paying him for them?

    The part that follows in Reilly’s letter is also interesting:

    … I was twice asked by Zullo, over a 10 day period, to reconsider my resignation. During my stint with the Posse, high levels of stress landed me in the hospital. I was also uncomfortable with the potential liability issues that I could see as a CCP volunteer. But among the most pressing concerns, a year ago, I couldn’t see the investigation being brought to any meaningful conclusion. One year later, I still see no meaningful end in sight to the CCP investigation. The extended investigation may have stimulated contributions to Sheriff Arpaio’s re-election campaign, and it most certainly resulted in contributions to the CCP’s financial coffers.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Added to the site’s featured comments. Great find.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/favorites/

  66. avatar
    Arthur July 5, 2013 at 9:37 am #

    Soduko: Or does he refuse to believe any of it?

    Why would he choose to believe something that might mitigate his righteous sense of outrage and hatred? Not much fun in that.

  67. avatar
    Arthur July 5, 2013 at 9:49 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Great find.

    I agree. Brian Reilly began commenting at ORYR a couple of months ago. At first, he was treated with reverence, since he claimed to be the person who started the process which led to Arpaio getting the CCP into the Obama birth certificate issue. However, Reilly began to criticize Mike Zullo in his comments and he began to earn the wrath of Zullo supporters. He now appears to be persona non grata–at least as far as the more bullying posters are concerned.

  68. avatar
    The Magic M July 5, 2013 at 10:35 am #

    Arthur: However, Reilly began to criticize Mike Zullo in his comments and he began to earn the wrath of Zullo supporters. He now appears to be persona non grata

    Refreshing to see how the conspiracy nuts’ absolutism (“anyone who ever disagrees with anything is a traitor to the cause”) comes to bite them in the rear end.
    Conspiracy theories are cults, and any disagreement inevitably leads to schisms (Zulloism vs. Orlyism and potentially more in the future as the movement disintegrates).
    I was expecting the same when Vattelists and Kenyanites clashed over which is the most promising approach to “prove” ineligibility, but the common hope of ousting Obama at the 2012 elections prevented a true schism; now that this glue is gone, anything goes.

  69. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 5, 2013 at 12:04 pm #

    Dave B.: I participated in interviews, did research and traveled in 8 states. Volunteers are not paid, however I was provided with a county unmarked Crown Vic, a CCP badge and a county gas key for my use as a Posse member.”
    Well now.

    Well now, indeed!

    So much for the county not spending money on the “volunteer” investigation.

    I find the word “participate” interesting…..not to be too conspiratorial…..and wonder if it means paid deputies were involved or just other posse members or folks like Corsi, Zebest, etc.?

    It will also be interesting to find out if the car was a full time car or he just had the authority to check one out of the pool. Full time cars are usually limited to folks who can be called out at all hours…..like homicide investigators.

    It will also be interesting to find out how he traveled to those eight states and how that was paid for.

    Some of this stuff should be available to an enterprising reporter on a FOIA request.

  70. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 5, 2013 at 12:09 pm #

    Reality Check: This brings to mind several questions such as what are they supplying Zullo? Is Zullo’s car dealership supplying the cars and what is the MCSO paying him for them?

    Yes…it would be interesting to see what the county is supplying Zullo. I bet he has a car….but that’s just a guess.

    As far as the cars are concerned:

    I don’t believe Zullo owns a dealership. That was his father….many years ago. He had some sort of operation that sold used cars for owners….as I recall.

    In any case police cars are bought on bids and usually directly from the manufacturer and often they are on a state contract which allows local cities or counties to buy on the state contract.

  71. avatar
    donna July 5, 2013 at 12:49 pm #

    birtherism in venezuela

    Venezuela ‘Birther’ Movement Questions President’s Eligibility

    Maduro, 50, was born in the Colombian city of Cucuta to Colombian parents, opposition lawmaker Abelardo Diaz alleged at an event in Caracas today, brandishing copies of what he said were the identity documents of the president’s parents. The opposition will now ask Colombia’s Supreme Court whether this makes Maduro a Colombian citizen. If so, he would fall foul of the constitution, which states the president must be “Venezuelan by birth” and not have other nationalities.

    “We haven’t seen a single document showing Maduro’s birthplace,” said Diaz. “We are asking the acting president to tell Venezuelan people the truth.”

    A ruling by Colombia’s Supreme Court that Maduro is Colombian would make Maduro ineligible for the presidency.

    “This would make it irrelevant whether Maduro was born in Venezuela, Colombia, or anywhere else,” said Diaz. “Under our constitution, president can’t have dual nationality.” – Bloomberg News.

    http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-03/venezuela-birther-movement-questions-president-s-eligibility.html

  72. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 5, 2013 at 1:29 pm #

    Reality Check: Is Zullo’s car dealership supplying the cars and what is the MCSO paying him for them?

    Caffeine just kicked in: I believe Zullo had a car buying service…..kinda like what AAA does in some areas. I don’t believe it is still in business.

  73. avatar
    Majority Will July 5, 2013 at 1:33 pm #

    Zullo and the CCCP should consider expanding their grab for easy birther bucks eastward. They could call themselves the High Plains Grifters.

  74. avatar
    Northland10 July 5, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

    FYI, Doc,

    The link on your favorites page points to a comment editor and not the actual DaveB comment.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Added to the site’s featured comments. Great find.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/favorites/

  75. avatar
    Dave B. July 5, 2013 at 1:56 pm #

    It ain’t the New Times, but I sent Randy Parraz an email about it. If he gets on it, it’ll end up in the New Times.

    Reality Check: We have been discussing this at the Fogbow. It was posted at the Western Center for Journalism. I would like to see the Phoenix New Times pick up on this.

  76. avatar
    Jim July 5, 2013 at 2:03 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Caffeine just kicked in: I believe Zullo had a car buying service…..kinda like what AAA does in some areas. I don’t believe it is still in business.

    So, Zullo’s only business now is scamming the birthers?

  77. avatar
    Jim July 5, 2013 at 2:09 pm #

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/08/08/20100808maricopa-county-sheriff-office-spending.html

    It’s an old one, but interesting how old Joe takes care of his cronies.

  78. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 5, 2013 at 2:14 pm #

    Thanks, fixed.

    Northland10: The link on your favorites page points to a comment editor and not the actual DaveB comment.

  79. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 5, 2013 at 4:55 pm #

    Jim: So, Zullo’s only business now is scamming the birthers?

    This is from memory since I haven’t spent much time looking into the details for a while but…………..his father, who owned the car dealerships, died a few years ago and our Zullo was a major beneficiary of the father’s will.

    I believe he is now living in his father’s home in north Scottsdale and, one presumes, living off his inheritance.

    As I recall the several businesses he….Zullo the Younger…..started/owned/operated have been dormant for a number of years. Several hadn’t filed any reports with the Corporation Commission for quite a while.

  80. avatar
    Keith July 5, 2013 at 9:37 pm #

    Reality Check:
    We have been discussing this at the Fogbow. It was posted at the Western Center for Journalism.I would like to see the Phoenix New Times pick up on this. This brings to mind several questions such as what are they supplying Zullo? Is Zullo’s car dealership supplying the cars and what is the MCSO paying him for them?

    The part that follows in Reilly’s letter is also interesting:

    I seem to recall him here too. Maybe it was someone else, but I do remember a conversation where my take was that Arpaio was using the Posse as a sop to keep his constituent loonies on board for the upcoming election, and as a publicity vehicle for money raising from loonies everywhere.

    His reaction to my comments, which were quite dismissive of the Surprise Tea Party ‘loonies’ and cynical about Arpaio’s involvement was a simple ‘maybe you don’t know all that’s going on and I have inside knowledge’. He was not overly defensive as I would have expected from a ‘true believer’, and maybe, just maybe, was giving a hint that I wasn’t too far off his conclusions as an insider.

  81. avatar
    The Magic M July 6, 2013 at 3:55 am #

    donna: If so, he would fall foul of the constitution, which states the president must be Venezuelan by birth” and not have other nationalities.

    [Oops, I’m the dummy, I confused Venezuela with Columbia… it’s early…]

    And the Columbian birthers are wrong like the US birthers.

    The Columbian Constitition (http://confinder.richmond.edu/admin/docs/colombia_const2.pdf) says about the President’s citizenship:

    Article 191. In order to be President of the Republic, an individual must be Colombian by birth, a citizen in good standing, and over 30 years of age.

    Article 197. […] Nor can the individual who may be subject to any of the reasons of disqualification listed in paragraphs Nos. 1, 4, and 7 of Article 179 be elected President of the Republic […]

    Article 179. The following are not qualified to be congressmen: […] 7. Those who hold dual citizenship, excepting Colombians by birth

    So if the President is born a citizen, he is eligible even if he holds/held dual citizenship.

    It seems birthers are the same crap everywhere…

  82. avatar
    The Magic M July 6, 2013 at 4:01 am #

    They are right about Venezuela:

    Article 227: In order to be elected President of the Republic, it is necessary to be Venezuelan by birth, with no other nationality

    Though this invites speculation if it meant “no dual citizen at birth” or “no dual citizen when taking office”.

  83. avatar
    ellen July 6, 2013 at 5:24 pm #

    For those of you who continue to believe that birthers are simply nice confused people who cannot accept facts and are not lying and do not have evil motives behind what they post, see this on a birther site:

    “Sounds like to me that since ho-bama isn’t and cannot ever legally be POTUS, an assassination wouldn’t specifically be an assassination at all… hmmm…” (http://www.westernjournalism.com/hollywood-producer-clinton-threatened-over-obama-id-fraud-issue-part-1/#comment-218576)

    I have been saying for a long time that their real motive was to encourage violence.

  84. avatar
    misha marinsky July 6, 2013 at 10:42 pm #

    ellen: I have been saying for a long time that their real motive was to encourage violence.

    “Sounds like to me that since ho-bama isn’t and cannot ever legally be POTUS, an assassination wouldn’t specifically be an assassination at all… hmmm…” (http://www.westernjournalism.com/hollywood-producer-clinton-threatened-over-obama-id-fraud-issue-part-1/#comment-218576)

    From that same comment: “He has no business in the US and he needs to go no matter how it is accomplished.”

    I also have been saying Orly’s and her coterie’s goal is to incite a lone wolf.

  85. avatar
    Ms D July 8, 2013 at 7:01 pm #

    Rickey and Majority Will – – please note that this is NOT ‘outdated materiel’ – – May 01, 2013
    DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF ALABAMA SUBMITS ANOTHER OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE WITH DIFFERENT BACKING TO THE COURT One wonders why the matters revolving around the various birth certificate issues cannot be resolved once and for all by President Obama by simply authorizing a special master of the Supreme Court of the United States to travel to Hawaii and view the original document in situ (in its original form, in its place along side other birth certificates issues in the same time period) to determine the validity of the document posted on the White House web site?

    It appears that the Democrat Party of Alabama has filed an amicus curiae (friend of the court) brief to stop the admission of Barack Hussein Obama’s birth certificate in court proceedings. The brief claims that …
    http://www.onecitizenspeaking.com/2013/05/democratic-party-of-alabama-submits-another-obama-birth-certificate-with-different-backing-to-the-court.html “Bottom line …

    Enough time, effort, and money continues to be spent on an issue which should have been addressed long ago. To leave the perception that the President of the United States is ineligible to hold the office is unconscionable.

    And the SUGGESTION that Obama’s SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER and DRAFT CARD are BOGUS DOCUMENTS only highlights the need for a high-level investigation. (Court date has not been announced as yet. Assigned to: Chief Judge Royce C. Lamberth)

    The democratic party should not be allowed to submit documents or amicus curiae briefs to the court as the party has a history of “unclean hands” and any submission to the court should be viewed as both self-serving and possibly fraudulent.”

  86. avatar
    Ms D July 8, 2013 at 7:09 pm #

    P.S. – – this is off the Zullo subject but still a ‘tie in’ to all that’s going, or not going, on – – –

    Law offices of Orly Taitz

    Royce C. LAMBERTH, Chief Judge for the District of Columbia will hear the second case on FOIA. This case is agaisnt the Postmaster General and Inspector General for the USPS. This case shows tht a year ago Attorney Orly Taitz provided them with the information, a sworn affidavit of the Chief investigator of the Special Investigations unit of the U.S. coast Guard, showing that Obama’s Selective Service certificate is a forgery and it contains a fabricated postal stamp. For a year they covered it up and did not take any action/”

  87. avatar
    Majority Will July 8, 2013 at 7:36 pm #

    Ms D:

    “. . . the U.S. coast Guard . . .”

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! !

    More comedy gold! That’s just precious.

  88. avatar
    Dave B. July 8, 2013 at 7:37 pm #

    Well that’s rich.

    Ms D: The democratic party should not be allowed to submit documents or amicus curiae briefs to the court as the party has a history of “unclean hands” and any submission to the court should be viewed as both self-serving and possibly fraudulent.”

  89. avatar
    Crustacean July 8, 2013 at 7:41 pm #

    Ms D: It appears that the Democrat Party of Alabama…

    Ms. D, given that you are on record as being against the name-calling, I feel I should point out that the term “Democrat Party” is typically used as a derogatory epithet.

  90. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater July 8, 2013 at 7:50 pm #

    Ms D:
    Rickey and Majority Will– – please note that this is NOT ‘outdated materiel’ – – May 01, 2013
    DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF ALABAMA SUBMITS ANOTHER OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE WITH DIFFERENT BACKING TO THE COURT One wonders why the matters revolving around the various birth certificate issues cannot be resolved once and for all by President Obama by simply authorizing a special master of the Supreme Court of the United States to travel to Hawaii and view the original document in situ (in its original form, in its place along side other birth certificates issues in the same time period) to determine the validity of the document posted on the White House web site?

    It appears that the Democrat Party of Alabama has filed an amicus curiae (friend of the court) brief to stop the admission of Barack Hussein Obama’s birth certificate in court proceedings. The brief claims that …
    http://www.onecitizenspeaking.com/2013/05/democratic-party-of-alabama-submits-another-obama-birth-certificate-with-different-backing-to-the-court.html “Bottom line …

    Enough time, effort, and money continues to be spent on an issue which should have been addressed long ago. To leave the perception that the President of the United States is ineligible to hold the office is unconscionable.

    And the SUGGESTION that Obama’s SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER and DRAFT CARD are BOGUS DOCUMENTS only highlights the need for a high-level investigation.(Court date has not been announced as yet. Assigned to: Chief Judge Royce C. Lamberth)

    The democratic party should not be allowed to submit documents or amicus curiae briefs to the court as the party has a history of “unclean hands” and any submission to the court should be viewed as both self-serving and possibly fraudulent.”

    What exactly is different about it? Is the content the same? Did the birthplace change? How about the date? How about the parents? Signatures?

  91. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater July 8, 2013 at 7:52 pm #

    Ms D:
    P.S. – – this is off the Zullo subject but still a ‘tie in’ to all that’s going, or not going, on – – –

    Law offices of Orly Taitz

    Royce C. LAMBERTH, Chief Judge for the District of Columbia will hear the second case on FOIA. This case is agaisnt thePostmaster General and Inspector General for the USPS. This case shows tht a year ago Attorney Orly Taitz provided them with the information, a sworn affidavit of the Chiefinvestigator of the Special Investigations unit of the U.S. coast Guard, showing that Obama’s Selective Service certificate is a forgery and it contains a fabricated postal stamp. For a year they covered it up and did not take any action/”

    You’re a little slow we’ve talked about this previously. Royce Lambert has tossed orly on her ass before what makes you think this would be different? Chief Investigator of Special investigations unit of the coast guard? Wow that sounds like a big title which has absolutely what relevance to selective service? The guy isn’t a chief investigator of anything. He’s retired and never had any dealings with selective service.

  92. avatar
    jtmunkus July 8, 2013 at 8:06 pm #

    Moreover, Perkins Coie has defended Mr. Obama in his legal jousts on the birth certificate matter over the past five years.” “Mr. Obama’s operatives cannot discredit him,” said Lt. Zullo. “Mr. Hayes has been used as the firm’s reliable expert. The very firm the president is using to defend him on the birth certificate case has used Mr. Hayes in their cases.” In addition, Mr. Hayes is a Democrat whose business is based in Hawaii. He cannot easily be accused of having a political axe to grind in this matter, explains Lt. Zullo.”

    Boy, that “Lieutenant” Zullo is one heckuva an amazing “detective.” It’d be nice, though, if Ms. D. or “Lt.” Z. would show us ONE BIRTHER CASE where the president was represented by Perkins Coie.

    Let’s see it. ONE CASE!

    Here’s the definitive list of all 200+ cases that idiot racist birthers have filed – and lost – and there isn’t one where Perkins Coie attorneys are listed.

    http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/BIRTHER%2520CASE%2520LIST.pdf

    Ms. D. needs to go home and cinch up her colostomy bag, dropkick her cat a couple more times, light up a couple of 100’s – except slow down on the 40’s before dark – since she’s not allowed to go to the lynchings with her white-robed hubby.

  93. avatar
    Ms D July 8, 2013 at 8:28 pm #

    jtmunkus – “Robert Bauer of Perkins Coie – top lawyer for Obama, Obama’s presidential campaign, the Democratic National Committee and Obama’s Organizing for America – is the same Washington, D.C., lawyer who defended President Obama in LAWSUITS challenging his eligibility to be president.” “Bauer also represented Obama and the DNC in Philip Berg’s eligibility lawsuit and various other legal challenges.””during the 2008 presidential campaign, Bauer as counsel for the Obama campaign wrote letters to television-station managers and to Department of Justice Assistant Attorney General John Keeney arguing that airing an anti-Obama ad pointing to the known association between Obama and Weather Underground radical Bill Ayers would violate federal election rules.”” In addition to representing Obama on eligibility cases, Bauer also is hired as legal counsel to represent the president in the criminal probe going on into the activities of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojev.””Corley took over Obama’s account after Robert F. Bauer, the former chair of the political practice at Perkins Coie, took the position of White House counsel.””Robert Bauer, the chief of the political law group at Perkins Coie, the Seattle law firm hired by the White House to defend Obama in court cases challenging his “natural born” citizenship status in the United States and thus, his eligibility under the U.S. Constitution to be president.'” “I represent President Barack Obama and Vice President Joseph Biden. I write to request that, in light of the District Court’s March 24, 2009 Rule 11 order in Hollister v. Soetoro, No. 08-2254, you withdraw the appeal filed in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, No. 09-5080. For the reasons stated in Judge Robertson’s order, the suit is frivolous and should not be pursued.”
    ONE OF THE MANY WEBSITES ON Perkins Coie – Obama – http://www.theobamafile.com/_associates/RobertBauer.htm
    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2009/10/114202/#1AwepQVYITVJycJX.99

  94. avatar
    donna July 8, 2013 at 8:35 pm #

    there is NO “Democrat Party of Alabama” – it’s the The Alabama Democratic Party

    not only is “democrat party” typically used as a derogatory epithet but it’s grammatically incorrect

    democratic is an adjective:

    1. Of, characterized by, or advocating democracy: democratic government; a democratic union.
    2. Of or for the people in general; popular: a democratic movement; democratic art forms.
    3. Believing in or practicing social equality: “a proper democratic scorn for bloated dukes and lords” (George du Maurier).
    4. Democratic Of, relating to, or characteristic of the Democratic Party.

  95. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 8, 2013 at 8:53 pm #

    donna:
    there is NO “Democrat Party of Alabama” – it’s the The Alabama Democratic Party

    not only is “democrat party” typically used as a derogatory epithet but it’s grammatically incorrect

    democratic is an adjective:

    1. Of, characterized by, or advocating democracy: democratic government; a democratic union.
    2. Of or for the people in general; popular: a democratic movement; democratic art forms.
    3. Believing in or practicing social equality: “a proper democratic scorn for bloated dukes and lords” (George du Maurier).
    4. Democratic Of, relating to, or characteristic of the Democratic Party.

    If you used the quote function it would help understand who and what you are responding to.

    In this case I guess the question is pretty simple: What is your point?

  96. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 8, 2013 at 9:07 pm #

    Do you think that Mr. Bauer did anything improper? If not, why mention it? If so, why not say so? I have little patience for weasel words.

    Ms D: jtmunkus – “Robert Bauer of Perkins Coie – top lawyer for Obama, Obama’s presidential campaign, the Democratic National Committee and Obama’s Organizing for America

  97. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 8, 2013 at 9:15 pm #

    Well, if it’s off the Zullo subject, then don’t post it on the Zullo article. I have an Open Thread for stuff like this.

    If you continue to hijack threads with off-topic comments, I’ll restrict your posting privileges.

    Ms D: P.S. – – this is off the Zullo subject but still a ‘tie in’ to all that’s going, or not going, on – – –

  98. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 8, 2013 at 10:09 pm #

    Bauer of Perkins Coie defended Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee in the first Berg v. Obama lawsuit in 2008.

    jtmunkus: Boy, that “Lieutenant” Zullo is one heckuva an amazing “detective.” It’d be nice, though, if Ms. D. or “Lt.” Z. would show us ONE BIRTHER CASE where the president was represented by Perkins Coie.

    Let’s see it. ONE CASE!

  99. avatar
    Daniel July 8, 2013 at 10:37 pm #

    Ms D:
    jtmunkus – “Robert Bauer of Perkins Coie – top lawyer for Obama, Obama’s presidential campaign, the Democratic National Committee and Obama’s Organizing for America – is the same Washington, D.C., lawyer who defended President Obama in LAWSUITS challenging his eligibility to be president.” “Bauer also represented Obama and the DNC in Philip Berg’s eligibility lawsuit and various other legal challenges.””during the 2008 presidential campaign, Bauer as counsel for the Obama campaign wrote letters to television-station managers and to Department of Justice Assistant Attorney General John Keeney arguing that airing an anti-Obama ad pointing to the known association between Obama and Weather Underground radical Bill Ayers would violate federal election rules.”” In addition to representing Obama on eligibility cases, Bauer also is hired as legal counsel to represent the president in the criminal probe going on into the activities of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojev.””Corleytook over Obama’s account after Robert F. Bauer, the former chair of the political practice at Perkins Coie, took the position of White House counsel.””Robert Bauer, the chief of the political law group at Perkins Coie, the Seattle law firm hired by the White House to defend Obama in court cases challenging his “natural born” citizenship status in the United States and thus, his eligibility under the U.S. Constitution to be president.’” “I represent President Barack Obama and Vice President Joseph Biden. I write to request that, in light of the District Court’s March 24, 2009 Rule 11 order in Hollister v. Soetoro, No. 08-2254, you withdraw the appeal filed in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, No. 09-5080.For the reasons stated in Judge Robertson’s order, the suit is frivolous and should not be pursued.”
    ONE OF THE MANY WEBSITES ONPerkins Coie– Obama –http://www.theobamafile.com/_associates/RobertBauer.htm
    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2009/10/114202/#1AwepQVYITVJycJX.99

    Still maintaining you’re not a birther?

  100. avatar
    Daniel July 8, 2013 at 10:40 pm #

    Ms D: Enough time, effort, and money continues to be spent on an issue which should have been addressed long ago.

    It has bee addressed, many, many times. You birthers have lost 207 times in court, and won ZERO!

    So if you really want to complain about the amount of money being spent on a non-issue that was settled years ago, maybe you should give up your delusions and stop tying up the courts and spending taxpayers money with your “tilting at windmills”

  101. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater July 8, 2013 at 10:43 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Bauer of Perkins Coie defended Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee in the first Berg v. Obama lawsuit in 2008.

    Well technically Doc he wasn’t President Obama in 2008 so Munkus was on to ask where the the President was represented by Perkins Coie 😛

  102. avatar
    jtmunkus July 8, 2013 at 10:58 pm #

    A few points:

    1) Being an anti-birther, I appreciate being corrected when I get my facts wrong. So thanks, Doc C.
    2) Zullo and Ms.D and the fake news site World Tribune all are wrong by contending that Perkins Coie was Obama’s go-to law firm for all things birther. One case out of 207? My point stands.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Bauer of Perkins Coie defended Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee in the first Berg v. Obama lawsuit in 2008.

  103. avatar
    Rickey July 9, 2013 at 12:13 am #

    Ms D:
    Rickey and Majority Will– – please note that this is NOT ‘outdated materiel’ – – May 01, 2013
    DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF ALABAMA SUBMITS ANOTHER OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE WITH DIFFERENT BACKING TO THE COURT

    Well, you’re wrong again. It is a copy of the same birth certificate, copied on a different machine.

  104. avatar
    Rickey July 9, 2013 at 12:20 am #

    Ms D:
    P.S. – – this is off the Zullo subject but still a ‘tie in’ to all that’s going, or not going, on – – –

    Law offices of Orly Taitz

    Royce C. LAMBERTH, Chief Judge for the District of Columbia will hear the second case on FOIA. This case is agaisnt thePostmaster General and Inspector General for the USPS. This case shows tht a year ago Attorney Orly Taitz provided them with the information, a sworn affidavit of the Chief investigator of the Special Investigations unit of the U.S. coast Guard, showing that Obama’s Selective Service certificate is a forgery and it contains a fabricated postal stamp. For a year they covered it up and did not take any action/”

    Another Orly Taitz lie which was swallowed hook, line and sinker by you.

    Jeffery Stephen Coffman never was THE chief investigator of the Special Investigations Unit of the U.S. Coast Guard, as Orly claims. “Chief” was his rank, not his title. He was a Chief Petty Officer (an enlisted man, not a commissioned officer) in the Coast Guard Reserve.

    As a former Navy petty officer, I have no idea how Coffman’s experience in the Coast Guard Reserve would have given him any special insight into postmarks.

  105. avatar
    sfjeff July 9, 2013 at 1:48 am #

    CarlOrcas: In this case I guess the question is pretty simple: What is your point?

    Ms. D made the claim that the ‘democratic party of Alabama’ had filed a brief- it seems to me Donna was pointing out another- and typical Birther error- claiming something that doesn’t exist.

    I assume Donna is correct, and whatever else is true- the ‘democratic party of Alabama’ doesn’t appear to be a real entity- though perhap the Alabama Democratic Party did file a brief.

    Birthers tend to play so free and lose with the facts, that often such a mistake points to the whole claim being fraudulant though I don’t know whether that is case.

  106. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter July 9, 2013 at 2:31 am #

    Here is you all a NEW Birther, Grace Vuoto, to laugh at:

    http://birtherthinktank.wordpress.com/2013/07/08/grace-vuoto-falls-for-a-crock-and-catches-the-pixel-pox/

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  107. avatar
    Keith July 9, 2013 at 3:25 am #

    jtmunkus:
    A few points:

    1) Being an anti-birther, I appreciate being corrected when I get my facts wrong. So thanks, Doc C.
    2) Zullo and Ms.D and the fake news site World Tribune all are wrong by contending that Perkins Coie was Obama’s go-to law firm for all things birther. One case out of 207? My point stands.

    Ahh… but how many of the 207 actually involved the President directly, and thus would have required his personal lawyer? Three? Five maybe? One of 207 is a lot different than one of five.

    Or maybe its Seven-Of-Nine?

  108. avatar
    The Magic M July 9, 2013 at 4:09 am #

    Ms D: resolved once and for all by President Obama by simply authorizing a special master of the Supreme Court of the United States to travel to Hawaii and view the original document in situ

    And you are telling me you would “believe” the statement of such a “special master” when you’ve already shown you don’t “believe” what the Hawaiian Department of Health and two Hawaiian governors (both Republican and Democratic) have officially verified?
    How will this be any different than “he’s lying” or “he’s been bought off or threatened”?
    How will this not be followed by “now if he only…, it will all go away” again?

    You are so intellectually dishonest it burns.

  109. avatar
    jtmunkus July 9, 2013 at 4:45 am #

    Keith: Ahh… but how many of the 207 actually involved the President directly, and thus would have required his personal lawyer? Three? Five maybe? One of 207 is a lot different than one of five.

    Or maybe its Seven-Of-Nine?

    Once is still once.

    The logic behind Commissaire Zullo’s supposition that the handwriting specialist’s ridiculous conclusions about a document he’s never seen cannot be impugned, because he at some time testified for a firm that once represented President Obama is just as silly as calling Steve Stockman a VIP.

    BirtherLogic is such horseshit.

  110. avatar
    bovril July 9, 2013 at 5:46 am #

    I love it when the Birferstani show there anti-constitutional beliefs so plainly.

    So, Ms D, you want some random individual appointed by one of the co-equal but SEPERATE branches of government to go and judge the qualifications of ANOTHER co-equal and SEPRATE branch or government and disqualify them.

    In so doing overturning the Constitution and Amendments thereof AND invalidating the votes of the electoral majority and the votes of the majority of the Electoral College.

    Seems kinda Taliban/religious police to me….

    Well in point of fact it seems pretty much identical to the Iranian model of the “Assembly of Experts” and “Guardian Council” who get to pick and vet runners and riders and remove any they don’t approve off, irrespective of the will of the people.

    Of course, since over 200 court cases with over 400 judges have ruled that the President is good to go and 3 separate and independent Republican SoS’s have all received verifications and accepted them as good to go, then the form of your asinine demand has been overly met.

    Since your demands have been met in a Constitutional manner, I fully expect you to now accept this and move on to the next goal post

  111. avatar
    donna July 9, 2013 at 7:58 am #

    Birther To Be ‘Honored Guest’ at Nevada GOP Event

    Some top Nevada Republicans will be appearing at a GOP PAC gala in Las Vegas alongside “honored guest” Wayne Allyn Root, a 2008 vice presidential candidate for the Libertarian party and a vocal birther theorist, according to Ralston Reports. The keynote speaker for the event will be House Majority Whip Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA).

    Root is one of three honored guests listed on the invitation. Rep. Joe Heck (R-NV) and Sen. Dean Heller (R-NV) are the others.

    Root graduated Columbia University the same year as Obama and said he thought it was strange that he hadn’t even heard of the future president, prompting him to publicly declare that Obama was likely a foreign exchange student and Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney should call for his college records to be released.

    Indeed, as recently as last month, Root declared “nobody ever met” Obama at Columbia and referred to him as “a Manchurian candidate.” The piece is full of nasty insinuations and innuendo.

    In a follow-up piece, Root repeated his theory, first expressed to Sean Hannity, that Obama was a foreign-exchange student at Columbia and echoes Trumpian claims about the president’s college transcripts.

    http://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/house-majority-whip-nevada-gop-luminaries-appear-event-prominent-local-birther#.Udv59VP1urj

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/vocal-obama-birther-to-be-honored-guest-at

  112. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter July 9, 2013 at 8:16 am #

    If anybody wants a happy image to start the day, then I present:

    The Overpass Of Broken Dreams
    by Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

    The Overpass of Broken Dreams-
    The haunted landscape fairly teems
    With ghostly remnants, silent now
    Among the kudzu, and the bough.

    The Day of Sadness started fine,
    With Birthers waiting, full of sign.
    Yellow flags with snakes a’coiling
    Waved in summer sun a’boiling!

    “It’s A Forgery!” on cardboard,
    Carried by the starred and barred horde.
    Large white banners with an “Impeach!”
    Raised aloft, in plaintive outreach.

    Down below the streaming traffic
    Strained to read the message graphic.
    Strained, and thusly fell distracted,
    Then, the concrete piers impacted.

    So, a chain of fatal shaking,
    Set the parapets to breaking,
    Snapp’ed the threaded iron bars,
    And launched the Birthers into cars.

    Whilst others fell ‘neath semi-rigs
    And livestock trailers full of pigs.
    Others struck, as seems most fitting,
    While in lawn chairs still were sitting.

    By evidential weight compelled,
    The Bridge Inspectors’ findings held,
    The fault was Birthers’ all alone.
    The least of them weighed 20 stone.

    The Overpass of Broken Dreams
    Lies silent now of Birther screams.
    The heavy weight of Birther foot
    Made engineering standards moot.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  113. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 9, 2013 at 8:53 am #

    And pointing out factually and with citations that they are full of bull.

    If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the Internet.

    Ms D: Name calling,
    Yelling,
    Insulting the person,
    Threatening the person or threatening to take away something that is important to them,
    Imitating or mocking the person,
    Swearing at them,
    ETC.

  114. avatar
    Former Ms. D July 9, 2013 at 8:58 am #

    Kevin Davidson
    January 5th, 2013 @ 5:39 pm
    “Let me clarify one point, in this otherwise reasonably accurate description of our conversation.” (With Dr. Orly Taitz)

    “I do not hold with personal insults and ridicule as a way for decent people to address each other. Everyone gets angry sometimes, and I’m not immune to saying things I regret later. People on my blog sometimes say fairly nasty things about Orly Taitz, and commenters at the Fogbow do that even more. I don’t agree with that.”

    Douglas Vogt
    January 6th, 2013 @ 12:59 am Dear

    “Kevin,

    “You had told me you just worked for the South Carolina department of Health. I guess your job was just scanning certificates. You called me a liar after my first report on the birth certificate. This was a big mistake on your part. It looks like you had lied to all of us by not honestly telling your audience that you were paid by the administration, most likely through Jim Johnson, to defend Obama no matter what falsehood the Obots would resort to. Well Kevin, over a year and a half has passed and Paul Irey and myself have found over 22 points of forgery on Obama’s COLB. We did not use the PDF copy even thought that alone proved evidence of electronic manipulation. We used the reporters copy from one of the networks that was at the April 27, 2011 news conference. At 300 dpi it showed us all we needed to know. By the way the white halo is caused by unsharp mask and finally Mara Z. agreed with us. The white halo appeared both on the reporters copy and Savanna Guthrie’s copy so it was not part of any PDF manipulation. Remember the Governor states that Fuddy witnessed the “copying of the original certificate” onto the security paper from a copier. Paul and I re-typeset the COLB and replicated what they said and can prove the whole story is one big lie.
    I have a little message for you. One I have already told John Woodman and RC. I believe you were paid for your services from the Obama handlers and that makes you an accessory after the fact in a treason case. You helped let a foreign communist agent to become president of the US for the purpose of destroying the country. I don’t want you to take my word for it Kevin, just read the Federal Statutes below:

    Title 18, Chapter 1 General Provisions; Section. 3. Accessory after the fact, Statute:
    Whoever, knowing that an offense against the United States has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact. Except as otherwise expressly provided by any Act of Congress, an accessory after the fact shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more than one-half the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the principal, or both; or if the principal is punishable by life imprisonment or death, the accessory shall be imprisoned not more than 15 years.

    What makes it Treason is this:
    Title 18, Chapter 115; TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES
    Sec. 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government look it up yourself and read it.

    And my all time favorite:
    Title 18, Chapter 228, DEATH SENTENCE
    Sec. 3592. Mitigating and aggravating factors to be considered in determining whether a sentence of death is justified
    (a) Mitigating Factors. – In determining whether a sentence of death is to be imposed on a defendant, the finder of fact shall consider any mitigating factor, including the following:
    (b) Aggravating Factors for Espionage and Treason. – In determining whether a sentence of death is justified for an offense described in section 3591(a)(1), the jury, or if there is no jury, the court, shall consider each of the following aggravating factors for which notice has been given and determine which, if any, exist:
    (2) Grave risk to national security. – In the commission of the offense the defendant knowingly created a grave risk of substantial danger to the national security. [Emphasis added]
    (3) Grave risk of death. – In the commission of the offense the defendant knowingly created a grave risk of death to another person. [Emphasis added]

    There is nothing worst than helping a foreign agent to become President. Because of your actions you may be looking at 15 years in prison. This will give you something to think about.

    My only question for you is: Why did you want an known socialist/communist to become president? Are you a socialist yourself?
    Kevin Davidson
    January 6th, 2013 @ 10:34 am

    Additionally to Mr. Vogt:

    You say you believe that I was paid for my debunking of the birthers.

    Well, you believe a lot of things without a shred of evidence. Why should it surprise me that you did it again.

    I told Orly, although she didn’t report it in her article, that I’m not paid for my blogging activities, and have no direction from anybody else.

    I’m not looking at a prison term, but you might be looking at a lawsuit for libel

  115. avatar
    Former Ms. D July 9, 2013 at 9:08 am #

    Douglas Vogt
    January 7th, 2013 @ 10:08 am
    Dear Kevin,

    Regarding payment, we know that Fogbow [his pen name] got paid for his efforts because he admitted to it. The Obots stayed on various blogs for 8 hours at a stretch-day in and day out. I am also an accountant and I can tell you that no one works at this for 2-4 years and not get paid somehow. It just doesn’t happen.
    But let’s say you didn’t get paid from the administration, then the burning question is WHY did you do it? Was it loyalty to the democratic party of old? Was it Ideological only—the burning desires to transform the country into a socialist hell? Why did you work on this since December 2008 till now? You had set up your web site just after the November election and it is obvious to anyone with an IQ over 85 that it was to for the purpose of putting down and criticism of and challenges of Obama’s short form birth certificate. Your actions demonstrate that there was long term planning involved in this effort. That also means that the administration knew they had a forged document and they had to stop all criticism before it got out of hand. In my opinion the evidence is that you are involved up to your eyeballs.
    The other question that you never answered is: What is your expertise in this field?
    All I want from you is some very simple answers—why did you do it?

    Regarding scanning of COLBs and the 2004 law, electronic imaging systems is what the law is referring to by electronic document systems. We know that most state had already implemented them including Hawaii because we got Virginia Sunahara’s death certificate and it was the result of a scanned image from the microfilm. I am in the process of reading ALL the states laws and administrative code on Vital Statistics and birth certificates. I have already finished 35 states and many of them specifically mention that a registrar can give a scanned image from there electronic document imaging system. Many state now have electronic filing systems that includes the process of scanning the COLB into it as an attached file. When you are prepared to read all the states laws and regulations, only then can you tell me that they don’t do it. Of course after you read them you would already know it is done all over the country.

  116. avatar
    The Magic M July 9, 2013 at 9:18 am #

    jtmunkus: the handwriting specialist’s ridiculous conclusions about a document he’s never seen

    My theory stands that the report says nothing of the sort – otherwise there’s no reason Zullo hasn’t released it yet.

    I think the following scenarios are likely:

    1. The report says at best that a forgery cannot be ruled out until the original (not the PDF) has been examined (the boilerplate stuff that every forensic expert will tell you).

    2. The report was commissioned under the prerequisite that other “experts”‘ conclusions (such as the “reports” of Zebest and Irey) are taken to be correct, therefore it is more like “if what those other reports say is really true, then it is really a forgery”.

    3. The report draws its conclusion from other false prerequisites provided by Zullo. For example, if somebody gave him a wrong SAD signature as comparison, he might conclude that “the SAD signature on the LFBC is from a different person, therefore forgery”.

    4. The report doesn’t even remotely support the forgery claims.

    Has anyone contacted the guy and asked him if he really wrote what Zullo claims he wrote?

  117. avatar
    donna July 9, 2013 at 9:26 am #

    The Magic M: Has anyone contacted the guy and asked him if he really wrote what Zullo claims he wrote?

    Someone contacted Reed Hayes and received the following interesting response

    Dear Mr. Kxxxxx,

    I did in fact perform work for Mr. Zullo with respect to the Obama Certificate of Live Birth. However, the results are strictly confidential, to be released only by Mr. Zullo and/or the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office Cold Case Posse, the legal owners of my report. Please contact Mr. Zullo directly for answers to your questions.

    Sincerely,

    Reed Hayes

    Reed Hayes, CDE

    http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/reed-hayer-email-2/

  118. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 9, 2013 at 9:47 am #

    I have no information that Foggy ever said he was paid by anyone to blog against birthers, and I have no reason to believe that it is true. Doug Vogt is not a credible source, since he has been shown to say false things in the past.

    Lots of folks spend excessive amounts of time on their hobbies.

    Former Ms. D: Regarding payment, we know that Fogbow [his pen name] got paid for his efforts because he admitted to it. The Obots stayed on various blogs for 8 hours at a stretch-day in and day out. I am also an accountant and I can tell you that no one works at this for 2-4 years and not get paid somehow.

  119. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater July 9, 2013 at 9:53 am #

    Former Ms. D: Regarding payment, we know that Fogbow [his pen name] got paid for his efforts because he admitted to it

    Fogbow is a site not a penname. Foggy is the penname. Any reference to being paid was a joke that went over your head.

    Former Ms. D: The Obots stayed on various blogs for 8 hours at a stretch-day in and day out. I am also an accountant and I can tell you that no one works at this for 2-4 years and not get paid somehow. It just doesn’t happen

    Any proof of this claim? Hmm so you’ve been here 10 hours a day that must mean youre getting paid overtime to make a fool of yourself.

    Former Ms. D: I am in the process of reading ALL the states laws and administrative code on Vital Statistics and birth certificates. I have already finished 35 states and many of them specifically mention that a registrar can give a scanned image from there electronic document imaging system. Many state now have electronic filing systems that includes the process of scanning the COLB into it as an attached file. When you are prepared to read all the states laws and regulations, only then can you tell me that they don’t do it. Of course after you read them you would already know it is done all over the country.

    Then you are wasting your time since no one has claimed that Hawaii gave Obama the PDF file. They gave him the certified paper copies of the long form one of which Savannah Guthrie snapped a picture of with her cell phone. Obama’s staff then scanned the document and posted it online as a PDF. The Hawaii DOH has confirmed that the content matches what they gave Obama.

    http://www.azcentral.com/12news/Obama-Verification.pdf

  120. avatar
    Jim July 9, 2013 at 10:01 am #

    Former Ms. D:
    Regarding payment, we know that Fogbow [his pen name] got paid for his efforts because he admitted to it. The Obots stayed on various blogs for 8 hours at a stretch-day in and day out.

    Interesting, what about the birthers who are on-line and posting 10-15 hours a day online? Are they being paid? What foreign government or enemy is paying them?

    Now I don’t know about Foggy, but I DO know that Arpaio and Zullo are working for the President. Notice how Arpaio’s cases from the DOJ just disappeared? Notice how Arpaio quickly removed himself once that happened? Notice how many charges Zullo and Arpaio have filed against the President? Have you also not noticed how Zullo has been trashing other birther theories? The funniest part is the birthers think they’re working to get the President out of the WH when they’re just scamming them and undercutting the birther effort.

  121. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 9, 2013 at 10:04 am #

    My comments inserted in boldface.

    Former Ms. D: [quoting Doug Vogt] …Dear “Kevin, “You had told me you just worked for the South Carolina department of Health. I guess your job was just scanning certificates. I was an IT manager and systems analyst from 1974-1980. You called me a liar after my first report on the birth certificate. I called Vogt a liar because he lied, and I documented exactly where he lied. This is not a matter of opinion; it has been proven. This was a big mistake on your part. It looks like you had lied to all of us by not honestly telling your audience that you were paid by the administration, most likely through Jim Johnson, to defend Obama no matter what falsehood the Obots would resort to. Another Vogt lie, falsely claiming that I have been paid by the administration to blog against birthers. Well Kevin, over a year and a half has passed and Paul Irey and myself have found over 22 points of forgery on Obama’s COLB. We did not use the PDF copy even thought that alone proved evidence of electronic manipulation. We used the reporters copy from one of the networks that was at the April 27, 2011 news conference. At 300 dpi it showed us all we needed to know. I looked at the Vogt-Irey so-called points of forgery, and all they prove is the incompetence and lack of critical thinking by Mr. Vogt and Mr. Irey. They looked at fuzzy images and then imagined stuff, like seeing Santa Claus in the clouds. By the way the white halo is caused by unsharp mask and finally Mara Z. agreed with us. The White halo is caused by MRC compression. This is well-documented in the literature about MRC. It’s not “unsharp mask.” Zebest doesn’t know what she’s talking about. The white halo appeared both on the reporters copy and Savanna Guthrie’s copy so it was not part of any PDF manipulation. The same white halo is not on the Guthrie copy. It’s clearly different, different in size and intensity, appearing in different places and at different angles. The Guthrie photo just shows normal JPG artifacts. Remember the Governor ? states that Fuddy witnessed the “copying of the original certificate” onto the security paper from a copier. Paul and I re-typeset the COLB and replicated what they said and can prove the whole story is one big lie. Vogt and Irey replicated their incompetence and bias. Remember, Irey said that he know the form was a forgery BEFORE HE EVEN LOOKED AT IT. I have a little message for you. One I have already told John Woodman and RC. I believe you were paid for your services from the Obama handlers and that makes you an accessory after the fact in a treason case. I don’t give a rat’s ass what Vogt “believes.” Vogt is a crazy conspiracy theorist. Unless the lunatics get in charge of the asylum, I have nothing to be concerned about. You helped let a foreign communist agent to become president of the US for the purpose of destroying the country. Obama is neither foreign, nor a communist. I don’t want you to take my word for it Kevin, just read the Federal Statutes below: Title 18, Chapter 1 General Provisions; Section. 3. Accessory after the fact, Statute: [lengthy citation omitted]  Are you a socialist yourself? One needs a crime to be an accessory, and there is no crime. No, I am not a socialist, I’m a Democrat. How about Vogt, is he delusional?

  122. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 9, 2013 at 10:06 am #

    I told you that if you kept dumping off–topic comments on the articles, that I would put you in moderation. I keep an open thread for off-topic comments.

    As with trash dumping on the roadside, one person dumps, and then others thing that’s the place to dump too. Eventually you have a trash dump. I’m not going to let that happen. In moderation, I review your comments before they appear. If they are in the wrong place, I will move them to the Open Thread. Moving your stuff before others see it prevents me from having to move lots of responses to you.

    Also, this is not a place for you to republish articles from other people, like your preceding one from Doug Vogt. The comment feature is for discussion, not for self-publishing by the commenters. Dumps of other people’s stuff is probably a copyright violation anyway. Such stuff will be summarily deleted at my discretion.

    Former Ms. D: “You had told me you just worked for the South Carolina department of Health. I guess

  123. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 9, 2013 at 10:33 am #

    That reminds me of how WND treated Ivan Zatkovich. They mischaracterized his report, and refused to actually publish it. Zatkovich had to release the report himself so that his reputation was not damaged (the reason is speculation on my part).

    donna: Dear Mr. Kxxxxx,

    I did in fact perform work for Mr. Zullo with respect to the Obama Certificate of Live Birth. However, the results are strictly confidential, to be released only by Mr. Zullo and/or the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office Cold Case Posse, the legal owners of my report. Please contact Mr. Zullo directly for answers to your questions.

    Sincerely,

    Reed Hayes

  124. avatar
    Former Ms. D July 9, 2013 at 10:41 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy – I see that you deleted a quote that I copied/pasted – made by you – “Kevin Davidson
    January 5th, 2013 @ 5:39 pm

    Let me clarify one point, in this otherwise reasonably accurate description of our conversation.

    I do not hold with personal insults and ridicule as a way for decent people to address each other. Everyone gets angry sometimes, and I’m not immune to saying things I regret later. People on my blog sometimes say fairly nasty things about Orly Taitz, and commenters at the Fogbow do that even more. I don’t agree with that.”
    – – so that ‘says’ to me Mr. Kevin – by your own words – so does that mean you ‘aren’t a decent person’? – – aren’t you to be held ‘accountable’ for what you post and/or is it ‘just for others that post here? – – I won’t ask that you explain this to me – as this post (along with others I posted this AM) will go “bye-bye-bye” 🙁 🙁 🙁

  125. avatar
    The Magic M July 9, 2013 at 11:06 am #

    donna: Someone contacted Reed Hayes and received the following interesting response

    So they learned from their mistakes and made him sign an NDA. Which means they can claim he said Obama is a lizard from planet Shroomfurgel VI and he couldn’t do zilch about it.
    Next they’ll probably submit a Zullo “affidavit” of the form “I read the report and it says it’s a forgery” to one of their court cases. Priceless fun.

  126. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 9, 2013 at 11:08 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    That reminds me of how WND treated Ivan Zatkovich. They mischaracterized his report, and refused to actually publish it. Zatkovich had to release the report himself so that his reputation was not damaged (the reason is speculation on my part).

    I’m trying to figure out what Zullo thinks he is accomplishing. If he persists in his claims that this is a real investigation that will result in real charges against the President then the copyright is meaningless.

    If the Hayes report is incorporated into a report to Congress, for instance, or becomes part of an investigation then it’s covered by fair use or its in the public domain.

    Best guess? Standby for another book!

  127. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 9, 2013 at 11:14 am #

    The Magic M: Next they’ll probably submit a Zullo “affidavit” of the form “I read the report and it says it’s a forgery” to one of their court cases. Priceless fun.

    Doesn’t this run afoul of the best evidence rule? I can’t imagine any court would accept Zullo’s description of the report.

  128. avatar
    Dave B. July 9, 2013 at 11:16 am #

    Considering how Zullo has been willing– nay, eager– to characterize the material while withholding it, if that doesn’t make anybody think twice about taking on any work for the CCCP, there’s something wrong with their thinker.
    So where’d the money to pay Mr. Hayes come from?

    donna:
    The Magic M: Has anyone contacted the guy and asked him if he really wrote what Zullo claims he wrote?

    Someone contacted Reed Hayes and received the following interesting response

    Dear Mr. Kxxxxx,

    I did in fact perform work for Mr. Zullo with respect to the Obama Certificate of Live Birth. However, the results are strictly confidential, to be released only by Mr. Zullo and/or the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office Cold Case Posse, the legal owners of my report. Please contact Mr. Zullo directly for answers to your questions.

    Sincerely,

    Reed Hayes

    Reed Hayes, CDE

    http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/reed-hayer-email-2/

  129. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 9, 2013 at 11:19 am #

    I didn’t delete anything. I moved your comments to the Open Thread.

    I am not above getting upset with liars and smear artists like you and Doug Vogt.

    Former Ms. D: Dr. Conspiracy – I see that you deleted a quote that I copied/pasted – made by you – “Kevin Davidson

  130. avatar
    Majority Will July 9, 2013 at 11:48 am #

    Former Ms. D:
    (immaterial copy and paste trolling)

    Former Ms D?

    Are you announcing a divorce? Or a gender or species change?

    That is far more intriguing than the debunked, irrelevant and nonsensical birther blather you keep digging up.

    Or perhaps you’re no longer a “Legally registered USA Citizen”?

    That sounds fascinating.

  131. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater July 9, 2013 at 11:51 am #

    Former Ms. D: Dr. Conspiracy – I see that you deleted a quote that I copied/pasted – made by you – “Kevin DavidsonJanuary 5th, 2013 @ 5:39 pm Let me clarify one point, in this otherwise reasonably accurate description of our conversation.I do not hold with personal insults and ridicule as a way for decent people to address each other. Everyone gets angry sometimes, and I’m not immune to saying things I regret later. People on my blog sometimes say fairly nasty things about Orly Taitz, and commenters at the Fogbow do that even more. I don’t agree with that.”- – so that ‘says’ to me Mr. Kevin – by your own words – so does that mean you ‘aren’t a decent person’? – – aren’t you to be held ‘accountable’ for what you post and/or is it ‘just for others that post here? – – I won’t ask that you explain this to me – as this post (along with others I posted this AM) will go “bye-bye-bye”

    But Ms D you’ve proven yourself not to be a decent person so why do you think you should be treated as such? They didn’t go bye bye they got moved to the open thread where your other defecations went.

  132. avatar
    Sactosintolerant July 9, 2013 at 12:28 pm #

    CarlOrcas: I’m trying to figure out what Zullo thinks he is accomplishing. If he persists in his claims that this is a real investigation that will result in real charges against the President then the copyright is meaningless.

    If the Hayes report is incorporated into a report to Congress, for instance, or becomes part of an investigation then it’s covered by fair use or its in the public domain.

    Best guess? Standby for another book!

    Throw in the unwillingness to release the gaspworthy evidence (in an “investigation” that is now relying on public opinion to sway Congress???) and the constant talk about how many pages they have, and the only question is physical book or ebook?

    My money’s on physical. I doubt they’ve had enough donations to give away 535 kindles.

  133. avatar
    Daniel July 9, 2013 at 12:46 pm #

    Former Ms. D:
    I do not hold with personal insults and ridicule as a way for decent people to address each other.

    You and other birthers are not decent or reasonable people, and more than chem trailers, holocaust deniers, and flat earthers are reasonable people.

    What you are is anti-American, anti-Constitutional, unpatriotic slanderers and false witnesses. You are quite likely racist as well, or can you point out any other President you even cared enough about to ask about his “papers”?

    So don’t get all self-righteous and huffy over the fact that you get a very small percentage of the derision you so richly deserve, and bring upon yourself. If you don’t like being ridiculed, stop being ridiculous.

  134. avatar
    Rickey July 9, 2013 at 12:55 pm #

    CarlOrcas: I’m trying to figure out what Zullo thinks he is accomplishing.

    He’ll keep at it until the donations dry up. In the meantime he gets to fly around the country on other people’s dimes.

  135. avatar
    Dave B. July 9, 2013 at 1:58 pm #

    Perhaps some Mr. X has made her the happiest legally registered citizen girl in the whole USA.

    Majority Will: Former Ms D?

    Are you announcing a divorce? Or a gender or species change?

    That is far more intriguing than the debunked, irrelevant and nonsensical birther blather you keep digging up.

    Or perhaps you’re no longer a “Legally registered USA Citizen”?

    That sounds fascinating.

  136. avatar
    sfjeff July 9, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

    donna: Birther To Be ‘Honored Guest’ at Nevada GOP Event
    Some top Nevada Republicans will be appearing at a GOP PAC gala in Las Vegas alongside “honored guest” Wayne Allyn Root

    Root is some piece of work- borderline admitted racist, and looney as all get out. And why the heck is a former Libertarian candidate being honored by the Republicans?

    And the Republicans struggle to understand why they are losing voters….

  137. avatar
    Majority Will July 9, 2013 at 5:44 pm #

    Dave B.:
    Perhaps some Mr. X has made her the happiest legally registered citizen girl in the whole USA.

    With a souped up Hoveround and a custom pair of PajamaJeans covered in the finest BeDazzler™ rhinestones and studs.

  138. avatar
    Majority Will July 9, 2013 at 5:50 pm #

    I want to hear more about how a Chief Petty Officer in the Coast Guard Reserve is a recognized authority on the validity of Selective Service registrations.

    Is there a Selective Service Registrations For Dummies book the CPO had to bone up on first?

  139. avatar
    Rickey July 9, 2013 at 7:49 pm #

    Majority Will:
    I want to hear more about how a Chief Petty Officer in the Coast Guard Reserve is a recognized authority on the validity of Selective Service registrations.

    Is there a Selective Service Registrations For Dummies book the CPO had to bone up on first?

    This link has specifics on what the “Investigator” rating means in the Coast Guard. It essentially is a part-time position for reservists only. Somehow I doubt that the Coast Guard spends much time investigating postmarks.

    http://www.gocoastguard.com/find-your-career/reserve-opportunities/reserve-opportunities/reserve-enlisted-ratings-descriptions/investigator-%28iv%29

  140. avatar
    Majority Will July 9, 2013 at 8:05 pm #

    Rickey: This link has specifics on what the “Investigator” rating means in the Coast Guard. It essentially is a part-time position for reservists only. Somehow I doubt that the Coast Guard spends much time investigating postmarks.

    http://www.gocoastguard.com/find-your-career/reserve-opportunities/reserve-opportunities/reserve-enlisted-ratings-descriptions/investigator-%28iv%29

    Thanks for the information.

    So evidently, Orly and other birthers’ standards of qualification are essentially non-existent when it comes to sworn affidavits. Shocking!

  141. avatar
    Majority Will July 9, 2013 at 8:28 pm #

    Neo-Confederate Rand Paul Aide A Daily Caller Contributor, Fox Regular

    “Southern Avenger” Jack Hunter Also Helped Write Heritage President Jim DeMint’s Book

    (excerpt) The conservative Free Beacon reported today that [Jack] Hunter, a “close” Rand Paul aide who also co-wrote the Kentucky Republican’s 2011 book, “spent years working as a pro-secessionist radio pundit and neo-Confederate activist … Hunter was a chairman in the League of the South, which ‘advocates the secession and subsequent independence of the Southern States from this forced union and the formation of a Southern republic.'”

    Free Beacon also quoted Hunter’s South Carolina radio commentary under the pseudonym “The Southern Avenger” in which he expressed adoration for Lincoln assassin John Wilkes Booth, indignation that white Americans are treated to a “racial double standard,” and opposition to Spanish-speaking immigrants. Hunter reportedly “told the Free Beacon that he no longer holds many of these views,” including his pro-Lincoln assassin views, but “declined to say that he no longer supports secession.”

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/07/09/neo-confederate-rand-paul-aide-a-daily-caller-c/194784

    And this from Jack Hunter in 2012 :

    (excerpt) In 2009, the so-called Birther movement became an embarrassing distraction for the conservative movement. Many conservatives spoke out against the Birthers, who believe President Barack Obama was actually born in Kenya, forged his birth certificate, and is therefore ineligible to be president. I surely did. Still, many insisted on subscribing to it, though luckily their numbers seem fewer today than ever.

    http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/bilderberg-conspiracies-have-become-a-handicap-for-the-liberty-movement/Content?oid=4101798

    A neo-Confederate calling birthers an embarrassment. Ouch!

  142. avatar
    Keith July 9, 2013 at 10:16 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Here’s an image to remember:

    http://seniorsforademocraticsociety.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/arpaio_birther.jpg

    You owe me a new keyboard.

    Or at least a fresh cup of coffee.

  143. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater July 9, 2013 at 11:27 pm #

    I came across these links recently which I had never seen before: http://www.fold3.com/spotlight/2294/lbj_birth_certificate/

    This seems to be LBJs BC but for some reason the first name is missing.

    There’s also Nixon’s: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2010/08/nixon-birthplace-revisited.html

    This wasn’t on display when I went to his presidential library in early june.

  144. avatar
    The Magic M July 10, 2013 at 4:38 am #

    CarlOrcas: Doesn’t this run afoul of the best evidence rule? I can’t imagine any court would accept Zullo’s description of the report.

    When has this ever stopped these loons? Of course it wouldn’t be admissible, but it’s all Zullo/Arpaio are willing to do. They have constantly refused to testify in person.
    For the propaganda value, it’s enough they can tell their followers “we submitted an affidavit and it was ignored by the evil judge”. They know the birthers don’t know about rules of evidence.

  145. avatar
    The Magic M July 10, 2013 at 4:42 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: There’s also Nixon’s

    Abstract on supporting evidence: Oral Evidence

    Yeah, I would’ve loved to see birthers “accept” *that* on Obama’s BC.

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: This seems to be LBJs BC but for some reason the first name is missing.

    Also, what’s a “partment”? It’s obviously forged because no state ever issued a BC that left out part of the name of the issuing entity. (That’s the “2-digit date stamp” argument reversed.)

  146. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater July 10, 2013 at 9:08 am #

    The Magic M: Also, what’s a “partment”?

    It’s the partment of Ublic Health and Vital Statistics silly.

  147. avatar
    gorefan July 10, 2013 at 9:43 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: This seems to be LBJs BC but for some reason the first name is missing.

    His name was added on the second page in 1961.

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: There’s also Nixon’s

    With that big “COURT ORDER” stamp. Was his real BC sealed after the adoption? LOL

  148. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater July 10, 2013 at 9:48 am #

    gorefan: His name was added on the second page in 1961.With that big “COURT ORDER” stamp. Was his real BC sealed after the adoption? LOL

    Quite interesting isn’t it? Birthers would never accept these documents from Obama. Johnson’s name first name wasn’t on his birth certificate until he was Vice President?

  149. avatar
    gorefan July 10, 2013 at 10:21 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Quite interesting isn’t it?

    So far, we have

    President Eisenhower – BC filled out by his brother in the 1950’s.

    President Johnson – used an alias until 1961. How do we know he was the same nameless child? Because his friend J.C. Kellam said so.

    President Nixon – filled out in 1942. Was it by court order?

    President Reagan – filed out in 1942 (is that a coincidence that both he and Nixon’s were done in 1942? I think not).

  150. avatar
    The Magic M July 10, 2013 at 10:29 am #

    Don’t forget President Romney (“VOID”) and President Trump (who still hasn’t proven no NYC BC was ever issued to an orangutan father and avoided court scrutiny of his BC by withdrawing his case against Maher).

    And the Bushes keep hiding theirs.

  151. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater July 10, 2013 at 10:49 am #

    gorefan: So far, we have President Eisenhower – BC filled out by his brother in the 1950′s.President Johnson – used an alias until 1961. How do we know he was the same nameless child? Because his friend J.C. Kellam said so.President Nixon – filled out in 1942. Was it by court order?President Reagan – filed out in 1942 (is that a coincidence that both he and Nixon’s were done in 1942? I think not).

    Notice the bottom of Nixon’s? Date issued May 19th 2009. So this was issued posthumously. But if I was a birther I would use the txe the argument and say that second 0 in 2009 looks like a 6 thus this BC was issued from the future in 2069

  152. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 10, 2013 at 10:58 am #

    gorefan: filed out in 1942 (is that a coincidence that both he and Nixon’s were done in 1942? I think not).

    A thought: It may have had more to do with the war than anything else.

    My late father in law was born in England but didn’t think anything of it when he enlisted in the US Arny until he got a form affirming he was a US citizen. They quickly swore him in as a citizen and he spent the war in B-17’s in Africa and Europe.

  153. avatar
    The Magic M July 10, 2013 at 11:03 am #

    CarlOrcas: A thought: It may have had more to do with the war than anything else.

    Secret Nazi genetic labs creating future US presidents in test tubes? I’ve read people actually claim that.

  154. avatar
    Lupin July 10, 2013 at 11:28 am #

    The Magic M: Secret Nazi genetic labs creating future US presidents in test tubes? I’ve read people actually claim that.

    THE ZERO HOUR.

    Fun TV show. Sorry they canceled it.

  155. avatar
    Jim July 10, 2013 at 11:45 am #

    OMG!!! THIS IS IT!!! THEY’VE FINALLY GOT THE PRESIDENT!

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/news/obama-broccoli-gate-211714643.html

  156. avatar
    Crustacean July 10, 2013 at 12:34 pm #

    Jim: OMG!!! THIS IS IT!!! THEY’VE FINALLY GOT THE PRESIDENT!

    They’re not mocking the President; they’re mocking broccoli, and I for one won’t stand for it!! My son is one of those kids who won’t eat anything, not even the usual kid junkfood. But he likes broccoli. He practically lives on broccoli (I suspect photosynthesis may be taking place as well, but I can’t prove it). So DAMMIT, broccoli is my favorite food, too.

    You go, Barack!! Testify for those little edible bonsai trees, baby!

  157. avatar
    W. Kevin Vicklund July 11, 2013 at 11:07 am #

    In case anyone actually cares, NBC and I were kicking around Hermie (’cause birther doldrums) and have determined where the weird “black rectangles” and hidden lines on the MDEC document 35-1 LFBC came from. When they combined scans of the letter to Fuddy with the LFBC they attached to the letter, they applied OCR in Acrobat 9. When Acrobat 9 tries to apply OCR to a clean version of the background image of the LFBC (this is the one where the text is actually on the background, not the WH version), it creates these rectangles and lines for some mysterious reason (it also sucks at picking out the text on this version of the LFBC).

    Not guidelines for the forger, just typical Adobe bloat and incompetence.

  158. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter July 12, 2013 at 5:39 am #

    Wayne Allyn Root once BRAGGED Obama was his classmate:

    http://birtherthinktank.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/wayne-allyn-root-screensave.png?w=637&h=2453

    See paragraph 7 of his blurb:

    A college classmate of Barack Obama at Columbia University (Class of ’83), Wayne is now the face and voice of Libertarian-conservative politics in the mainstream national media- with thousands of media appearances since the 2008 election. In each of those appearances he is a dynamic and passionate fighter on behalf of small business owners, taxpayers, entrepreneurship, capitalism, free markets, and dramatically lower taxes to reward the heroes of the business world- financial risk takers.

    http://connectingpointdigital.com/uncategorized/wayne-allyn-root-failing-your-way-to-success

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  159. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater July 12, 2013 at 9:32 am #

    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter: Wayne Allyn Root once BRAGGED Obama was his classmate:http://birtherthinktank.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/wayne-allyn-root-screensave.png?w=637&h=2453See paragraph 7 of his blurb:A college classmate of Barack Obama at Columbia University (Class of ’83), Wayne is now the face and voice of Libertarian-conservative politics in the mainstream national media- with thousands of media appearances since the 2008 election. In each of those appearances he is a dynamic and passionate fighter on behalf of small business owners, taxpayers, entrepreneurship, capitalism, free markets, and dramatically lower taxes to reward the heroes of the business world- financial risk takers.http://connectingpointdigital.com/uncategorized/wayne-allyn-root-failing-your-way-to-successSqueeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Once Bragged? One of his main talking points in his linkedin profile is that he was a classmate of Barack Obama
    http://www.linkedin.com/in/wayneallynroot

  160. avatar
    Reality Check July 12, 2013 at 10:44 am #

    Did you know Root has changed the spelling of his middle name since he attended Columbia? On the Senior Day program it is spelled Wayne ALAN Root.
    http://rcradioblog.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/more-proof-barack-obama-graduated-from-columbia-university-in-1983/

    Maybe Wayne ALLYN Root never actually attended Columbia? Inquiring minds want to know. 😆

    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter: Wayne Allyn Root once BRAGGED Obama was his classmate:

  161. avatar
    Reality Check July 12, 2013 at 10:53 am #

    ….Or it could have been a simple mistake. But we have learned from Birthers. Simple mistakes never happen like mistyped zip codes and defective date stamps. Everything is a conspiracy.

  162. avatar
    Rickey July 12, 2013 at 12:58 pm #

    Reality Check:

    Maybe Wayne ALLYN Root never actually attended Columbia? Inquiring minds want to know.

    Rachel Maddow talked about Root during her show last night.

    http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rachel-maddow-show/52456315/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MsnbccomRachelMaddowShow+%28Rachel+Maddow+on+MSNBC%29#52456315

  163. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter July 12, 2013 at 3:20 pm #

    Reality Check:
    ….Or it could have been a simple mistake. But we have learned from Birthers. Simple mistakes never happen like mistyped zip codes and defective date stamps. Everything is a conspiracy.

    That is why I did a scrolling screensave image on the blog, and here. So that people could save it, and later post it when debating with Birthers about the Obama blurb you are always seeing images of.

    Turnabout is fair play, isn’t it???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter