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Cold Case Posse: The clock is ticking

It was June 24, 2013 when NBC published his article, “The Proof – Forgery done by Xerox Workcentre 7655.” A week shy of two months later, there has been no response to this bombshell from Mike Zullo and his tax-exempt Cold Case Posse. Garrett Papit, the faux image expert responsible for one of the Posse’s discredited reports, says that soon they will respond.

The only response we will see from the Cold Case Posse, if any, is some new fantastical objection to the President’s documentation that conveniently ignores their long string of discredited prior claims.

In order to highlight this tawdry behavior on the part of Zullo and his play-cops, I am adding new feature to the blog, a countdown timer of how long it has been without a response from the Cold Case Posse to the revelation that all the so-called evidence of forgery on the President’s birth certificate is just the normal artifacts of a Xerox 7655 Workcentre machine and Mac Preview.

[countup date=2013/06/24-22:11:00][dhmstimer][/countup]

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46 Responses to Cold Case Posse: The clock is ticking

  1. avatar
    aarrgghh August 15, 2013 at 11:39 pm #

    to quote carl gallups:

    “something will happen soon.”

    or not.

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    JPotter August 15, 2013 at 11:56 pm #

    I’d put this timer right on the masthead, if possible, at least for awhile.

    Say, until it hits 500 days.

    Then move it to the sidebar. 😛

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    john August 16, 2013 at 12:06 am #

    I would argue that printing out the Obama BC PDF and then scanning it yeilds unrealible results because the printout is based on the a PDF “Construction” and not a “Real” document. That might the reason why many document experts did not want to get invovled. However, the CCP can remedy this because they have hard copy tangible comtemporary Hawaii long form birth certificates in their possession. The only thing that remains to be done is to scan those originals in preferely with the Xerox machine and observe if the results bear any resembalence to Obama’s PDF. (Remember, that was a result of the scan of an original hard copy.) By doing this the CCP can then report findings that will very very difficult to be refuted by the obots because they lack an original.

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    Curious George August 16, 2013 at 12:08 am #

    “….the revelation that all the so-called evidence of forgery on the President’s birth certificate is just the normal artifacts of a Xerox 7655.”

    There goes the book deal.

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    john August 16, 2013 at 12:13 am #

    Remember that Miki Booth’s birth certificate has green safety paper like Obama’s and has a both a date and signature stamp. The CCP should scan it to a PDF and see what happens. You really can’t use Obama’s PDF because it has already been scanned so the result is a PDF “Construction” based a particular scanning process and not of an “Original” construction. This especially true about the many problems regarding the typesetting.

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    Dr. Conspiracy August 16, 2013 at 12:20 am #

    That really wouldn’t help anything.

    The CCP would say that the scan did not reproduce the anomalies in Obama’s PDF, whether it did or not. There’s a fair chance, given that it’s been 52 days, that they already know their goose is cooked.

    Anyway, they never release their testing procedures or results and without them, their word is worth less than nothing.

    john: Remember that Miki Booth’s birth certificate has green safety paper like Obama’s and has a both a date and signature stamp. The CCP should scan it to a PDF and see what happens.

  7. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 16, 2013 at 12:26 am #

    I certainly agree that a highly optimized PDF like the President’s long form, is not a basis for a scientific examination of the original form, although this has not stopped the birthers in the past.

    john: I would argue that printing out the Obama BC PDF and then scanning it yeilds (sic) unrealible (sic) results because the printout is based on the a PDF “Construction” and not a “Real” document. That might the reason why many document experts did not want to get invovled (sic).

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    john August 16, 2013 at 12:44 am #

    Here is a corrected birth certificate from Hawaii 1961
    http://obamabc.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/pdf-text-fails-grid-test.jpg
    So I guess self-reporting race bit is BS. Even if Obama reported himself as “African”, it would have been changed to “Kenyan”. In all instances I have seen in Hawaii birth certificates, the race is based on country of origin not continent of origin. Further, Obama Sr. immigration record indicates a race of “Kenya” which is to mean “Kenyan”.

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    john August 16, 2013 at 12:48 am #

    The corrected BC shows lines through erroronous entries. It would be helpful to look at more corrected BCs. Stanley Ann Dunham forget her first name “Stanley” it was corrected or inserted by the following form “(Stanley)”. Is this constistant with similar oversights on Hawaii birth certificates. A good thing to research.

  10. avatar
    Reality Check August 16, 2013 at 12:55 am #

    I think John just said a Xerox WorkCentre can differentiate between a “real” birth certificate and a copy. I think John is desperate.

  11. avatar
    richCares August 16, 2013 at 1:00 am #

    john, this issue is over, Obama was born in Hawaii, if you don’t like that then support a candidate of your choice for 2016. if you continue down the Zullu path you need to buy a clown car. Everything the Zullu posse has done is to repeat Corsi’s BS, he fooled you to get paypal pushes. You need to try and get some respect back, start with your family, but drop the Zullu fascination.

  12. avatar
    Sactosintolerant August 16, 2013 at 1:02 am #

    john:
    I would argue that (blah blah blah)

    I would argue that the CCP’s silence on NBC’s analysis speaks volumes. I would argue that Nigerians would love to have your email address. I would argue that you should enroll in a logic class at your local JC.

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    JPotter August 16, 2013 at 1:20 am #

    Reality Check:
    I think John just said a Xerox WorkCentre can differentiate between a “real” birth certificate and a copy. I think John is desperate.

    I am waiting for a birther to allege The Forger cleverly imitated a WorkCentre, in an effort to throw off scrutiny, to make the suspicious ultimately look like fools.

    What’s taking them so long?

    Or just to fall back on “The problem isn’t the scan, it was never the scan! The problem is the hard copy! It says Obama was born in Hawaii, so we know it’s fake!”

    john: I would argue that printing out the Obama BC PDF and then scanning it yeilds unrealible results because the printout is based on the a PDF “Construction” and not a “Real” document.

    OK, overlooking the tortured language and focusing on what I think you mean …. ummm …. “duh”.

    john: The only thing that remains to be done is to scan those originals in preferely with the Xerox machine and observe if the results bear any resembalence to Obama’s PDF. (Remember, that was a result of the scan of an original hard copy.) By doing this the CCP can then report findings that will very very difficult to be refuted by the obots because they lack an original.

    I suppose. Now …. gosh, why haven’t they?

    Even better …. how do you know they haven’t? 😈

  14. avatar
    Reality Check August 16, 2013 at 1:22 am #

    John is the poster child for Cargo Cult Science. He pretends to go through the motions but doesn’t understand anything. He thinks saying a few magic words will make Obama go away.

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    Benji Franklin August 16, 2013 at 1:24 am #

    Reality Check: I think John is desperate.

    No kidding! Every Birther is desperate! I can’t believe we still patiently respond to the same inane objections they make over and over again.

    Still, it’s nice to imagine Mike Zullo’s real torment. Do it! Imagine Mike Zullo falling asleep every night knowing that President Obama has committed no crime, and that every sane person, no matter what their political persuasion, knows that Zullo’s accusations are just preposterously premised invitations to Obama haters, to hate on down the road.

  16. avatar
    richCares August 16, 2013 at 1:25 am #

    “…Nigerians would love to have your email address”
    .
    Scammers pay premium rates for birther emails, they get a higher rate of return!

  17. avatar
    justlw August 16, 2013 at 1:47 am #

    OK, look: back off, willya? They’re just trying to do things right, and that means doing things in order.

    First, they have to release the 1961 coding manual.

    Then, they have to release the Verna Lee tapes.

    And THEN, they can move on to the WorkCentre.

    Give them some breathing room, for heaven’s sake! To quote a famous figure in American politics: “Stop it! This is hard!”

  18. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 16, 2013 at 1:55 am #

    There’s nothing on the document to indicate why the race was changed. You cannot draw any conclusions, only speculate. Other certificates with widely varied responses for race show that there was no simple list of required responses.

    It’s interesting to look at that document which seems to intend to show that Obama’s typewriter characters don’t fit in a grid, but the other does. Only of you look at it, the other one has items outside the grid too.

    A forger would have lined up everything perfectly. An authentic one has variation. ROFL.

    john: Here is a corrected birth certificate from Hawaii 1961
    http://obamabc.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/pdf-text-fails-grid-test.jpg
    So I guess self-reporting race bit is BS. Even if Obama reported himself as “African”, it would have been changed to “Kenyan”. In all instances I have seen in Hawaii birth certificates, the race is based on country of origin not continent of origin. Further, Obama Sr. immigration record indicates a race of “Kenya” which is to mean “Kenyan”.

  19. avatar
    Lupin August 16, 2013 at 2:11 am #

    Personally, I detect a certain lack of je ne sais quoi in john’s almost pro forma statements; I don’t think his heart is in it anymore (his brain certainly never was).

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    CarlOrcas August 16, 2013 at 2:39 am #

    john: In all instances I have seen in Hawaii birth certificates, the race is based on country of origin not continent of origin.

    How many Hawaiian birth certificates have you seen? Remember there were 12,000 issued in 1961.

    Have you seen a thousand, a hundred……a dozen? How many, john?

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    Keith August 16, 2013 at 2:54 am #

    john:
    In all instances I have seen in Hawaii birth certificates, the race is based on country of origin not continent of origin.Further, Obama Sr. immigration record indicates a race of “Kenya” which is to mean “Kenyan”.

    Ok, John. Then what would be the correct race of some one born in Atlanta Georgia? Pontiac, Michigan? Third Mesa, Arizona?

    Based on country is it?

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    The Magic M August 16, 2013 at 3:39 am #

    john: In all instances I have seen in Hawaii birth certificates, the race is based on country of origin not continent of origin.

    You’ve seen another Hawaiian BC with an African parent?

    john: Even if Obama reported himself as “African”, it would have been changed to “Kenyan”.

    That’s a new claim, right? (Previously I only remember you claiming it would’ve been changed to “Negro”.) Where did you pull this from?

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    RanTalbott August 16, 2013 at 4:39 am #

    Well, they’ve “responded”. Sort of…

    http://rcradioblog.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/carl-gallups-claims-the-xerox-evidence-is-of-no-concern/

  24. avatar
    Keith August 16, 2013 at 6:31 am #

    By the way, I think that that is a count-UP clock.

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    The European August 16, 2013 at 7:11 am #

    john:
    Remember that Miki Booth’s birth certificate has green safety paper like Obama’s and has a both a date and signature stamp.The CCP should scan it to a PDF and see what happens.You really can’t use Obama’s PDF because it has already been scanned so the result is a PDF “Construction” based a particular scanning process and not of an “Original” construction.This especially true about the many problems regarding the typesetting.

    Yes John, they “should”. So why don’t YOU tell them to do so ?

    The longer this lasts, the clearer it gets that the CCP is a “Posse” in the German meaning of the word – a farce.

    http://dict.leo.org/ende/index_de.html#/search=posse&searchLoc=0&resultOrder=basic&multiwordShowSingle=on

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    HistorianDude August 16, 2013 at 9:03 am #

    john:
    .In all instances I have seen in Hawaii birth certificates, the race is based on country of origin not continent of origin.

    Then let me expand your horizons a bit, John.

    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bryajw/HardestyPhotos/Keala%20Hardesty%20birth%20certificate.jpg

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    HistorianDude August 16, 2013 at 9:11 am #

    john:
    Remember that Miki Booth’s birth certificate has green safety paper like Obama’s and has a both a date and signature stamp.The CCP should scan it to a PDF and see what happens

    Based on the document that Papit was scanning in his very, very funny video (it appears to be the reconstructed document he shared with Doc), the Posse either doe not have an original or they just haven’t shared one with Papit.

    But based on the revelation that he has been trying to do Xerox tests for over a month and not a peep has been released about the results, it’s rather apparent that they’re unhappy with what they are finding. Gallups was genuinely, emotionally worked up on the radio yesterday when the subject was raised. It would be tempting to say that the wheels have come of the Posse, were it not for the fact that it was never on wheels to begin with.

  28. avatar
    Curious George August 16, 2013 at 9:14 am #

    Doc,

    “It’s interesting to look at that document which seems to intend to show that Obama’s typewriter characters don’t fit in a grid, but the other does. Only of you look at it, the other one has items outside the grid too.”

    The wrinkled birth certificate has many characters placed outside the grid. The document proves how inconsistent typewriters and typists were when completing the form.

  29. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 16, 2013 at 9:16 am #

    I see John is back to doing the message board equivalent of sticking his fingers in his hears screaming “lalalala! I can’t hear you!”

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    Curious George August 16, 2013 at 9:43 am #

    Historian dude,

    “But based on the revelation that he has been trying to do Xerox tests for over a month and not a peep has been released about the results, it’s rather apparent that they’re unhappy with what they are finding. Gallups was genuinely, emotionally worked up on the radio yesterday when the subject was raised. It would be tempting to say that the wheels have come of the Posse, were it not for the fact that it was never on wheels to begin with.”

    They’re on a sinking ship. Facts are destroying their script. John had better get his life jacket on.

  31. avatar
    The Magic M August 16, 2013 at 12:03 pm #

    I know we were laughing about “the Xerox is the forger”, but look at this:

    http://realbusinessatxerox.blogs.xerox.com/2013/08/07/update-on-scanning-issue-software-patches-to-come/#.Ug5M3vlHBza

    Cue in the birthers claiming either the PDF scan mixed up numbers and obfuscated the “real thing” or that this is Xerox in CYA mode scared of the CCP success. 😉

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    richCares August 16, 2013 at 12:12 pm #

    “They’re on a sinking ship. Facts are destroying their script. John had better get his life jacket on.”
    .
    a sure sign this is true:
    Zullo was spotted at Ed’s Tire Store, he was buying tires for the posse clown car (the wheels came off)

  33. avatar
    JPotter August 16, 2013 at 12:25 pm #

    RanTalbott: Well, they’ve “responded”. Sort of…

    I’ve been practicing my Ben Kenobi …

    “These are not the scans you’re looking for …” *hand wave*

    Did that work on anyone? How’s it working out for Carl? Was mine better than his?

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    donna August 16, 2013 at 12:45 pm #

    The Magic M: I know we were laughing about “the Xerox is the forger”, but look at this:

    awwww shucks – now the posse can say OOPS and/or our VIP/experts splained all of that in their secret reports and we were just continuing to verify the info with our ongoing investigation

    after all, xerox said “We’ll continue to actively listen to our customers and the industry as a whole. We take your comments, questions and concerns seriously and appreciate your feedback.”

    the posse can say WE are among their “customers”

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    Rickey August 16, 2013 at 12:48 pm #

    john:

    In all instances I have seen in Hawaii birth certificates, the race is based on country of origin not continent of origin.

    On the birth certificate which you linked to, the mother’s race is listed as “Hawaiian.” Was Hawaii a country in 1961? It became a state in 1959 and it had been a U.S. Territory since 1898.

  36. avatar
    justlw August 16, 2013 at 1:45 pm #

    RanTalbott: carl-gallups-claims-the-xerox-evidence-is-of-no-concern

    Ian Faith: The Boston gig has been cancelled…
    David St. Hubbins: What?
    Ian Faith: Yeah. I wouldn’t worry about it though, it’s not a big college town.

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    W. Kevin Vicklund August 16, 2013 at 3:28 pm #

    So I guess self-reporting race bit is BS. Even if Obama reported himself as “African”, it would have been changed to “Kenyan”.

    Notice that the birthplace of a parent was also corrected. Most likely both corrections were made by one of the parents. In 1961, “Negro” was preferred by blacks over “Colored” for racial designation.

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    dunstvangeet August 16, 2013 at 3:34 pm #

    Just wondering. Race is based upon “Country of Origin”, what country is “Caucasian”? Where is Caucasia? I’ve always wanted to know where that is, so I could visit. I’ve heard it’s such a wonderful place!

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    Dr. Conspiracy August 16, 2013 at 3:46 pm #

    The Caucasus is a geographic region in Eurasia. Folks from there are called Caucasians. They have mountains.

    dunstvangeet: Just wondering. Race is based upon “Country of Origin”, what country is “Caucasian”? Where is Caucasia? I’ve always wanted to know where that is, so I could visit. I’ve heard it’s such a wonderful place!

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    RanTalbott August 16, 2013 at 4:04 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: They have mountains.

    Even the men? That _would_ be a “distinguishing racial characteristic”…

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    donna August 16, 2013 at 4:19 pm #

    W. Kevin Vicklund:

    The U.S. Census Bureau is bidding farewell to “Negro” on its surveys and forms after more than 100 years of use.

    The description has come to be viewed as outdated and even offensive by many people in the black community, officials say, so the bureau will reduce the options to “black” or “African-American.”

    The agency will include the new language next year in its annual American Community Survey, which reaches upwards of 3.5 million households in the United States.

    The government considered ending usage of the word “Negro” for the 2010 Census but ultimately decided against it. The bureau reasoned that there was still a segment of the U.S. population that personally identified with the term. Most of them were older blacks living in the Southern states.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/us-census-bureau-drops-negro-surveys/story?id=18591761

  42. avatar
    misha marinsky August 16, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: The Caucasus is a geographic region in Eurasia. Folks from there are called Caucasians. They have mountains.

    I would like to recommend The Caucasian Chalk Circle. I’ve seen it twice.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Caucasian_Chalk_Circle

    Additional reading: The Caucasus or Caucasia, is a region at the border of Europe and Asia, situated between the Black and the Caspian Seas. It is home to the Caucasus Mountains, which contain Europe’s highest mountain, Mount Elbrus.

    Read on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus

  43. avatar
    Sactosintolerant August 16, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

    RanTalbott:
    Well, they’ve “responded”. Sort of…

    http://rcradioblog.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/carl-gallups-claims-the-xerox-evidence-is-of-no-concern/

    Fuuuuuuuuuuu(dge)… someone needs to take plunger to Gallups’ insides. He’s so full of it. Now he says they WILL find out where Obama was born and that they prett much already know anyway. Not sure how you KINDA know something like that.

    Also love the “ongoing investigation” excuse for not releasing info. I’d love to hear a coherent explanation for why the previously released CCP info was released DESPITE the ongoing explanation.

    But if you haven’t listened to it, I can assure you everything out of Gallups’ mouth is of no consequence.

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    RanTalbott August 16, 2013 at 11:10 pm #

    Sactosintolerant: I’d love to hear a coherent explanation for why the previously released CCP info was released DESPITE the ongoing explanation.

    Sactosintolerant: I’d love to hear a coherent explanation for why the previously released CCP info was released DESPITE the ongoing explanation.

    One could argue that they had reached a “milestone” in the case (“probable cause”) and were making a “progress report”. Similar to the way police might announce an arrest, and reveal _some_ of their evidence to reassure the public that they’d gotten the right guy, even though they anticipated continuing the investigation to get additional evidence to assure a conviction.

    Of course, if one did so, one would have to face the derisive laughter of others claiming they were just throwing out a little raw meat to goose the suckers into sending more checks 😉

  45. avatar
    Sam the Centipede August 19, 2013 at 6:57 am #

    I think John is – perhaps for the first time – slightly correct in suggesting the Zullo’s Korps of Kold Klowns should scan a printed, genuine Hawai’a birth certificate on an appropriate Xerox Workcentre and see what happens.

    If they were rational and honest (two big ifs, in fact two big no-nos), they would then see that the PDF produced was consistent enough with the White House PDF, and that differences would probably be down to different settings or their own complete incompetence.

    But, as suggested above, the Kold Klowns are not competent and not honest, so they would probably only look for minor anomalies and squeal “Looook Obotz, we so stoopid we think this iz diffrunt, you can’t proves otherwise, huh?”

    The argument was over as soon as the Department of Health said that Mr. Obama was born in Hawai’i, exactly as per the information on the PDF.

    It is a 700% victory for Team Sanity:
    100% victory in the 2008 presidential election
    100% victory in the 2012 presidential election
    100% victory in the 200+ court cases trying to harass the president and others
    100% victory in Congress in not having any sane congressman raise any real objection in Congress
    100% victory in the blogosphere, where birthers can only win on blogs where they allow no opponents
    100% victory in producing the first birth certificate
    100% victory in having Hawai’i valid the information on that birth certificate
    100% victory in disproving all suggestions of a forgery

    Yeah… yeah… I can actually do math, but Total Losing is f-f-f-fun.

  46. avatar
    Sef August 24, 2013 at 11:24 am #

    Sam the Centipede: 100% victory in Congress in not having any sane congressman raise any real objection in Congress

    That should be 200% since it was done twice. And the HDOH validated the BC info more than once; not sure of the exact count. You can also add Linda Lingle to this.