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Phoenix media attacks birther investigation

imageThe Phoenix New Times, a metropolitan newsweekly in Phoenix, Arizona, has a circulation of around 79,000. Their web site has a ranking in the top 6,000 web sites in the US according to Alexa.com, which is better than the Arizona Daily Star newspaper web site. They have had a long-running feud with Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio. At one time two newspaper founders were arrested (charges quickly dropped) in the wake of Sheriff Arpaio’s home address being published on the paper’s web site. A subpoena was issued demanding the names of everyone who had read the article on the web site. 😯 Pretty crazy stuff. The Wikipedia has more on that story.

Thanks to The New Times, we get extensive local coverage of Sheriff Arpaio and local birther goings on. (I’m always appreciative of local news coverage of the birthers.) This brings to a new article at the New Times: “Joe Arpaio’s Sham ‘Investigation’ Into Obama’s Birth Certificate Exposed (Yet Again).”

The article itself is not especially informative—it just points out that a Xerox machine was responsible for what the Cold Case Posse thought were the unmistakable marks of forgery. The reason that I bring up the story is that we have a prominent news source letting the people of Phoenix know (again) what idiots they have in the Sheriff’s office.

Embedded in the article is the odd YouTube video of Garrett Papit unsuccessfully trying to scan a document to email using a Xerox machine. They wrote:

Now, this expert is the guy who is so technologically savvy that he uncovered all of these small details in the “forgery.” He uploaded the video to YouTube, which shows him unable to figure out how to scan a document on the copier and send it to his e-mail.

Papit himself told me in email that the reason he couldn’t email the scan was that the machine was defective, and that a “card” had to be replaced. Papit says that he just made the video to show someone how the machine was failing. That’s plausible.

I hadn’t watched the video before today, and I was somewhat surprised by what I saw. The video swings right to reveal Papit’s sample birth certificate, presumably the one he tested with. It’s not on safety paper! You can tell by the white border around it. The Cold Case Posse wasn’t even using real safety paper! Oh my!

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One comment to the article mentions a public document scanned by a Xerox 7530 that has some of the same “forgery” marks that the Cold Case Posse clings to. At the top of the first page the “g” in “Agenda” is on the background layer and appears “fuzzy” at higher magnification compared to the rest of the word.

Update:

The Garrett Papit YouTube video has been removed.

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74 Responses to Phoenix media attacks birther investigation

  1. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 29, 2013 at 11:55 am #

    Thanks to birther James Youngblood for directing my attention to the scanning sample.

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    john August 29, 2013 at 12:01 pm #

    I warned the CCP that they needed to address these allegations instead of ignoring them. These things have a way of festering. This is not good for CCP. I think their donations as well as support are going to be drying up very quickly. I can actually see some birther really starting to lose faith in the CCP after this came out. The CCP needs to address with other than “Its of no concern.”

    Just to recall something, after Obama released his long form birth certificate on April 27, 2011, it has been reported that donations and support for LtCol. Terry Lakin virtually dried up. To this day, it has never recovered.

    Unless the CCP does something soon, I suspect this will be the case with them.

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    john August 29, 2013 at 12:06 pm #

    I see that Doc. That’s not good. I don’t see why Garrett Papit uploaded this video to YouTube. It was a pretty stupid thing to do.

  4. avatar
    john August 29, 2013 at 12:35 pm #

    I do see a few ways The CCP can recover their credibility not withstanding the Obots’ findings. But they need to it quickly and decisively.

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    john August 29, 2013 at 12:37 pm #

    It is very strange why Garrett Pappit has not removed this YouTube Video. He owns the video and must obviously be aware of the attention its getting from the Obots. Why leave it up???????

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    gorefan August 29, 2013 at 12:49 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Thanks to birther James Youngblood for directing my attention to the scanning sample.

    Here’s another one

    http://atmuseum.org/1983_exhibit_pdfs/Scanned%20from%20a%20Xerox%20multifunction%20device001.pdf

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    Dr. Conspiracy August 29, 2013 at 1:01 pm #

    I can understand him leaving it up because it would look bad if he scrubbed it, basically admitting that it is damaging. What I cannot understand, what you cannot understand and what other commenters cannot understand, is why he put it up in the first place.

    I think that the video was put on YouTube as a way to show someone how it is supposed to work. Papit claimed to me in an email that the machine was broken. What I don’t understand is that if that is the case, why he hasn’t posted that on the Video. I know that Papit is aware that the anti-birthers have called attention to it.

    john:
    It is very strange why Garrett Pappit has not removed this YouTube Video.He owns the video and must obviously be aware of the attention its getting from the Obots.Why leave it up???????

  8. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 29, 2013 at 1:07 pm #

    Credibility with whom?

    Seriously, they never had credibility with anyone except the birthers, and birthers believe just about anything.

    The only way the Cold Case Posse could regain any credibility at all would be to say that they were wrong, that they lied or were fooled, and they’re going to focus their efforts in the future on the unsolved homicides that they were chartered to look at. And really, I think that the CCP is so damaged that they would taint any future investigation into a homicide. I can see a defense attorney destroying any case using evidence derived from them, by mentioning their lack of expertise, conspiracy theory methodology, and deception in the birther business.

    john: I do see a few ways The CCP can recover their credibility not withstanding the Obots’ findings.

  9. avatar
    CarlOrcas August 29, 2013 at 1:12 pm #

    john: I warned the CCP that they needed to address these allegations instead of ignoring them. These things have a way of festering. This is not good for CCP.

    Two questions, john:

    1 – What response did you receive when you warned them about the danger of ignoring this information?

    2 – How many members does the Cold Case Posse have? Nothing on their website or the Sheriff’s website provides any information about the size and composition of this posse.

  10. avatar
    gorefan August 29, 2013 at 1:14 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: What I cannot understand, what you cannot understand and what other commenters cannot understand, is why he put it up in the first place.

    In the video, he makes the comment that he one time let it run for two hours and nothing happened. I got the impression that he thought he was showing that the Xerox WorkCentre copiers could not do what NBC was claiming they could do.

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    JPotter August 29, 2013 at 1:19 pm #

    john: support for LtCol. Terry Lakin virtually dried up.

    Were you thinking that:

    willingness to birf + PayPal button = lifetime pension

    ?

  12. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 29, 2013 at 1:30 pm #

    If that were the case, then he intentionally deceived the viewer, because he must have known that it wouldn’t scan/email anything else either.

    gorefan: In the video, he makes the comment that he one time let it run for two hours and nothing happened. I got the impression that he thought he was showing that the Xerox WorkCentre copiers could not do what NBC was claiming they could do.

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    Daniel August 29, 2013 at 1:38 pm #

    Hard to tell for sure…. but it looks to me that there is a space in the email address between the @ and the gmail.com.

    Depending on the SMTP module, the confusion of an incorrect email format certainly cause a failure, and could quite possibly cause the delay, as the software tries to figure out what it is supposed to do with this string it doesn’t recognize as an email address.

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    john August 29, 2013 at 1:42 pm #

    The answers Pappit gave to Doc C were very strange. If the scan didn’t work, you would figure Pappit would have tried another document as a Control. The only answer that I can think of is that some Xerox WorkCenters can’t scan Certificates of Live Birth because of some security feature built in not necessarily in the safety paper itself. You would have to contact Xerox to find out more. We know that RC was able to scan using 7535 and showed his PDFs. However, NBC has yet to show any PDFs from a the 7655 of the birth certificate. Could there be some built security feature that prevents scanning of Certificates of Live Birth?

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    Daniel August 29, 2013 at 1:47 pm #

    john:
    I do see a few ways The CCP can recover their credibility not withstanding the Obots’ findings.But they need to it quickly and decisively.

    The CCCP have no credibility, outside a segment of the birther crowd. They will never have credibility in the real world, because their premise is fundamentally flawed. Whether they can recover their credibility with the birthers is… irrelevant.

    The sooner you allow yourself to understand that, John, the better off you’ll be. Birtherism is as doomed as flat eartherism, and for the same reasons. Flat earthers are just as adamant as birthers, but fewer in number, because birtherism hasn’t been around quite as long.

  16. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 29, 2013 at 1:53 pm #

    While I doubt that it is the case, it is remotely possible that there is some security feature in a Hawaiian birth certificate that prevents the Xerox machine from scanning it. I say this because there IS something to prevent it scanning US currency. There are objections to that theory however:

    1. Papit wasn’t scanning a real birth certificate on real security paper in the first place. RC had no problems scanning a copy like Papit used.

    2. The anti-counterfeiting features in many scanners, printers and imaging software (such as Photoshop) are based on a pattern in the document called the EURion constellation. I’m not aware of this being in Hawaiian security paper.

    3. If you actually attempt to scan currency on a Xerox, it gives an error message to the effect that it won’t scan currency (I’ve see this myself). Papit didn’t get an error message. The machine timing out is more indicative of a network problem. Note that in the video Papit says that “scan to file” had the same problem as email (the Xerox scans to file using the network interface as well). What I see on the video is either a defective machine or an improperly configured machine, or a non-functional server or maybe a firewall issue.

    BTW, I have myself configured Xerox WorkCentre machines for email and scan to file operation. Getting everything right is non-trivial. Scan to email is via SMTP and if memory serves me right, scan to file is FTP. You have to have both the machine and the servers working and in sync.

    john: The answers Pappit gave to Doc C were very strange. If the scan didn’t work, you would figure Pappit would have tried another document as a Control. The only answer that I can think of is that some Xerox WorkCenters can’t scan Certificates of Live Birth because of some security feature built in not necessarily in the safety paper itself. You would have to contact Xerox to find out more. We know that RC was able to scan using 7535 and showed his PDFs. However, NBC has yet to show any PDFs from a the 7655 of the birth certificate. Could there be some built security feature that prevents scanning of Certificates of Live Birth?

  17. avatar
    W. Kevin Vicklund August 29, 2013 at 1:58 pm #

    john: If the scan didn’t work, you would figure Pappit would have tried another document as a Control.

    This presumes a modicum of competence on the part of the Maricopa CCCP. After the work NBC, and to a lesser extent RC and I, have done, I am not so confident as john is about their basic competency levels.

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    Dr. Conspiracy August 29, 2013 at 2:04 pm #

    Competence aside, Papit seems to have a penchant for trying lots of things.

    W. Kevin Vicklund: This presumes a modicum of competence on the part of the Maricopa CCCP. After the work NBC, and to a lesser extent RC and I, have done, I am not so confident as john is about their basic competency levels.

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    john August 29, 2013 at 3:36 pm #

    I don’t know Doc. If the 7655 was real the machine, you would think every Obot and his brother would be uploading all of their 7655 PDF of Obama’s birth certificate. But, so far we have seen none even from NBC. We did see the 7535 but those scans aren’t near as elegant as Obama’s birth certificate. Who knows, NBC could manipulating everything. I certainly wouldn’t put past him. I tried to scan the BC on a Xerox Color Copier but the result didn’t even come remotely close to Obama’s BC.

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    CarlOrcas August 29, 2013 at 4:30 pm #

    john: I don’t know Doc. If the 7655 was real the machine, you would think every Obot and his brother would be uploading all of their 7655 PDF of Obama’s birth certificate.

    Other than the White House who has an original certified copy they could work with? John?, John? Who?

    john: Who knows, NBC could manipulating everything. I certainly wouldn’t put past him.

    Warning: Be sure the wheels on your goal posts are well oiled if you are going to move them that fast.

    john: I tried to scan the BC on a Xerox Color Copier but the result didn’t even come remotely close to Obama’s BC.

    You have a certified copy of Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate? Wow! Who knew?

    BTW…..when will you be answering the two questions I asked you a couple hours ago?

  21. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 29, 2013 at 4:32 pm #

    There aren’t as many Obots around as you think. I don’t have a Xerox WorkCentre; RC has only limited access to one at the [mumble]. The limiting factor to anti-birthers producing a really nice birth certificate like Obama’s is not, however, the machine, but the document to scan.

    The specific model of Xerox machine isn’t important. Any machine that creates the artifacts proves the CCP is wrong.

    Now, let me twist the knife a little–which looks more true to the White House LFBC: the scans RC did or the manually-assembled forgery that the Cold Case constructed? ❓

    OOPS, the CCP never showed that they could make a fake like they claim Obama’s was. They claim a crude forger did something they couldn’t do (or never even tried to do). So the score is Obots something, CCP xero on proving their hypothesis.

    In the mean time, I remind you that the Cold Case Posse has released none of their test files either–XERO. Can anyone replicate anything the CCP did?

    What NBC has been doing is to replicate and explain detail artifacts, not produce a pretty certificate. He’s doing it very well. In the mean time, the Cold Case Posse is hiding in the bunker. You don’t need his files to test the theory, because he provided complete details on how to reproduce his results. The Cold Case Posse provided XERO. All you need is the Xerox machine, a Mac and a really good sample certificate.

    I have some agreement with one of your points, the anti-birthers do need to up their game. Just because Zullo is playing the empty chair in this round, doesn’t mean that the good guys can take it easy. And indeed, we are not. Stick around another week or so, and during that time see if you can find an excuse to leave the bunker.

    john: I don’t know Doc. If the 7655 was real the machine, you would think every Obot and his brother would be uploading all of their 7655 PDF of Obama’s birth certificate. But, so far we have seen none even from NBC. We did see the 7535 but those scans aren’t near as elegant as Obama’s birth certificate. Who knows, NBC could manipulating everything. I certainly wouldn’t put past him. I tried to scan the BC on a Xerox Color Copier but the result didn’t even come remotely close to Obama’s BC.

  22. avatar
    john August 29, 2013 at 4:44 pm #

    You mean the Master of Wisdom, Superstar Obot Extordaneer Frank Arduini has been unable to find a 7655 Xerox and produce a PDF for us.

  23. avatar
    gorefan August 29, 2013 at 5:17 pm #

    john: I tried to scan the BC on a Xerox Color Copier but the result didn’t even come remotely close to Obama’s BC.

    What model Xerox was it? Did you scan to e-mail? With the file type as PDF?

  24. avatar
    Keith August 29, 2013 at 5:32 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: And indeed, we are not. Stick around another week or so, and during that time see if you can find an excuse to leave the bunker.

    Boo-yah! In your face, John! “We” got an ‘any day now’ of “our” own!

    I wonder whose ADN will play out first; any betting folk out there?

  25. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 29, 2013 at 6:48 pm #

    Well, I have a FedEx tracking number.

    Keith: Boo-yah! In your face, John! “We” got an ‘any day now’ of “our” own!

    I wonder whose ADN will play out first; any betting folk out there?

  26. avatar
    john August 29, 2013 at 6:50 pm #

    I sent RC a copy Gorefan. Ask RC for it.

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    JPotter August 29, 2013 at 6:52 pm #

    john: I don’t know Doc. If the 7655 was real the machine, you would think every Obot and his brother would be uploading all of their 7655 PDF of Obama’s birth certificate.

    And … why is that? Xeroxes ain’t that cheap, bub! And, honestly, it’s a question of how much effort and cost is worth proving a frivolous point. If the proper paper just happened to be on my desk, and a Xerox just happened to be in my living room, sure, what the hell. Since that isn’t the case, and I am already satisfied, have been for over a year, and any effort to convince your ilk is wasted … meh.

    Haven’t you heard? PDF Madness was stillborn. I know, I know, every day a new day. So, for today … PDF Madness is, was, and always will be D … O… A! 😀

  28. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 29, 2013 at 7:00 pm #

    Hey John, that panic your’e feeling right now? That’s reality setting in!

  29. avatar
    jayHG August 29, 2013 at 7:13 pm #

    john:
    It is very strange why Garrett Pappit has not removed this YouTube Video.He owns the video and must obviously be aware of the attention its getting from the Obots.Why leave it up???????

    Stop trying to give him a hint, john……….too late cause EVERYBODY HAS SEEN IT AND THE STUPID BIRTHER JIG IS UP………..the jig has been up for years, but now birthers are realizing that it’s up.

  30. avatar
    Arthur August 29, 2013 at 8:39 pm #

    jayHG: Stop trying to give him a hint, john……….too late cause EVERYBODY HAS SEEN IT AND THE STUPID BIRTHER JIG IS UP………..the jig has been up for years, but now birthers are realizing that it’s up.

    I didn’t get to see it, and now it’s been removed! Look at my sad Obot face 🙁

  31. avatar
    Rickey August 29, 2013 at 9:08 pm #

    gorefan: What model Xerox was it?Did you scan to e-mail?With the file type as PDF?

    I doubt that John has access to a WorkCentre 7655 or anything similar. They cost about $15,000.

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    gorefan August 29, 2013 at 9:26 pm #

    Rickey: I doubt that John has access to a WorkCentre 7655 or anything similar. They cost about $15,000.

    I was in a Staples recently, they had a Xerox 7535 in the self-copy section. I don’t know if it was set up for scanning to e-mail.

  33. avatar
    JPotter August 29, 2013 at 9:26 pm #

    Rickey: I doubt that John has access to a WorkCentre 7655 or anything similar. They cost about $15,000.

    Get them refurbished off Amazon for a hair under $4K. $4.49 shippig to boot!

    Even lower on eBay, but the shipping is a bit more cost-based there.

    The 7655 is a bit long in the tooth at this point.

  34. avatar
    Reality Check August 29, 2013 at 9:27 pm #

    John went to an office supply store that had a Xerox Color 550. It is not on the list of those published by Xerox as using JBIG2 compression. The file was basically a TIFF image embedded in a PDF wrapper. The file was huge compared with the LFBC and the 7535 scans I have done.

    john:
    I sent RC a copy Gorefan.Ask RC for it.

  35. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 29, 2013 at 9:37 pm #

    (Sorry Doc, posted this in the wrong thread earlier, but didn’t delete it in time.)

    Oh, John didn’t use a workstation.
    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/08/team-arpaio-obamabots-now-suspects.html#IDComment710438980

    “I did in fact scan Obama’s birth certificate on a Xerox Color Copier. (it wasn’t a WorkCenter) The results weren’t even remotely like Obama’s birth certificate.”

    No kidding, John! You used different equipment and got radically different results?! Wow. Who woulda thunk it.
    Also, I call bull on you scanning the birth certificate, considering it’s in Hawaii. What, did you print the PDF and scan that? Could you really be that stupid?

    How do you manage to NOT drown yourself, when you go to use the bathroom?

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    JPotter August 29, 2013 at 10:43 pm #

    This video has been removed by the user.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDaYef36qXo

    What a pansy.

    As for why he didn’t remove it? Trapped in their own mindspace, projecting their own reality. He can’t get it to work (why not test on a unit that was already networked?!?), that means no one has ever scanned anything on a Xerox Workcentre.

    Maybe no one has ever scanned anything on a network MFD of any kind, anywhere. 😉

  37. avatar
    Northland10 August 29, 2013 at 11:01 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Well, I have a FedEx tracking number.

    Doing an Orly there, Doc?

  38. avatar
    Northland10 August 29, 2013 at 11:14 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy
    BTW, I have myself configured Xerox WorkCentre machines for email and scan to file operation. Getting everything right is non-trivial. Scan to email is via SMTP and if memory serves me right, scan to file is FTP. You have to have both the machine and the servers working and in sync.

    Since those devices are generally intended for larger office settings, I would imagine the set-up is geared to an organization that has their own internal network staff and likely an Exchange or other internal mail server, among other things. Even then, it took the IT staff at my day job some time to work out the kinks when they replaced our former multi-function devices (MFDs) with Xerox WorkCentres.

    No John, I have not tried these at my office because 1) there is little more to be added to the workflow already described, 2) I generally avoid doing personal tasks on employer equipment especially in something as trivial as this.

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    Rickey August 29, 2013 at 11:22 pm #

    JPotter: Get them refurbished off Amazon for a hair under $4K. $4.49 shippig to boot!

    Even lower on eBay, but the shipping is a bit more cost-based there.

    The 7655 is a bit long in the tooth at this point.

    Yeah, it’s a discontinued model. I was quoting the current models, WorkCentre 7830/7835/7845/7855. It’s doubtful that John will find one of those in a Staples store.

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    john August 29, 2013 at 11:31 pm #

    Wow! This Blog post definitely has gotten the CCP’s attention. The YouTube video has been removed. They obviously took my advice.

  41. avatar
    misha marinsky August 29, 2013 at 11:43 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: How do you manage to NOT drown yourself, when you go to use the bathroom?

    Dumb luck.

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    Dr. Conspiracy August 29, 2013 at 11:46 pm #

    Well, it wouldn’t have been THIS blog post, but the Phoenix New Times post.

    I looked back over Papit’s email and in addition to his statement that the machine was broken, he also had explained that he made the video to show the guy who lent him the machine that it was broken.

    That is, the video wasn’t mean for public distribution.

    I find that a plausible explanation.

    What I have a hard time with is that the Cold Case Posse never tried some Xerox machines before. It looks like they just tested stuff that was easy to get, i.e. free and demo software.

    john: Wow! This Blog post definitely has gotten the CCP’s attention. The YouTube video has been removed. They obviously took my advice.

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    misha marinsky August 29, 2013 at 11:51 pm #

    john: it has been reported that donations and support for LtCol. Terry Lakin virtually dried up. To this day, it has never recovered

    Source? Links?

    john: I warned the CCP that they needed to address these allegations instead of ignoring them.

    I am in awe of your perspicacity.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 30, 2013 at 12:30 am #

    john:
    Wow!This Blog post definitely has gotten the CCP’s attention.The YouTube video has been removed.They obviously took my advice.

    Every time a birther uses the word “obviously”, God kills a kitten. Also, you’re so full of yourself, it’s sickening.

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    Slartibartfast August 30, 2013 at 12:53 am #

    I was reading through John’s comments with my mind boggling at just how incredibly idiotic birthers are when I saw this wonderful bit with Doc pointing out just how amazingly hypocritical they are as well. It’s bad enough that they picked an incredibly silly standard which they demanded be met (produce a pdf with the same artifacts), but, as far as I know, none of them ever even tried to produce a pdf with the same artifacts using a manual process. I’ll bet it never even occurred to any of them to try to meet the standard which they were demanding obots be held to.

    Dr. Conspiracy: Now, let me twist the knife a little–which looks more true to the White House LFBC: the scans RC did or the manually-assembled forgery that the Cold Case constructed?

    OOPS, the CCP never showed that they could make a fake like they claim Obama’s was. They claim a crude forger did something they couldn’t do (or never even tried to do). So the score is Obots something, CCP xero on proving their hypothesis.

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    Publius August 30, 2013 at 1:06 am #

    I hadn’t watched the video before today, and I was somewhat surprised by what I saw.

    Apparently, I will never get to watch the video. Garrett Papit has removed the incriminating evidence.

    Odd case, this, where the “investigators” are the ones who are doing the lying and the cover-ups.

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    Dr. Conspiracy August 30, 2013 at 1:40 am #

    Basically, all you see is a video of an unspecified Xerox machine, a view of the sample certificate ready for scanning, someone hitting the controls for Scan to Email and pressing the Start button. We hear Papit’s voice describing what he is doing, saying something about SMTP and that the machine just sits there. He also said it does the same thing with Scan to File.

    The video makes no point, except that the machine isn’t working. Some of the birthers jumped to the conclusion that the video was for general consumption and is proof that it is impossible to even scan a Hawaiian birth certificate on a Xerox. Papit never hints at any such thing in the video.

    There’s really not much there. However, I got a strange email from Papit (actually 3) this evening demanding a retraction of my saying that the video proved he was incompetent, when I already knew that the machine was broken. He seemed quite agitated.

    I can’t retract what I never said.

    My guess is that he heard from Zullo, because before he had just laughed off RC’s finding the video. It seemed to be of no concern at first. Fortunately, I captured that frame showing the faux safety paper for posterity.

    Publius: Apparently, I will never get to watch the video. Garrett Papit has removed the incriminating evidence.

  48. avatar
    The Magic M August 30, 2013 at 3:33 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Some of the birthers jumped to the conclusion that the video was for general consumption and is proof that it is impossible to even scan a Hawaiian birth certificate on a Xerox.

    As I said multiple times, their inventiveness when it comes to insulating themselves from real-life evidence is amazing. What these people could achieve if they used it for positive purposes!

    But of course only WorkCentres with firmware greater than 3.2.0.0.1 (aka the “Sweet Soros” edition) can scan Hawaiian BC’s and are programmed to replicate the artifacts of the fogety forreggy … sorry, my Obot filter won’t even let me type the f-word.

    😉

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    The Magic M August 30, 2013 at 3:36 am #

    john: Wow! This Blog post definitely has gotten the CCP’s attention. The YouTube video has been removed. They obviously took my advice.

    So who’s “scrubbing evidence” now, john? Is that how real law enforcement operates? By suppressing any signs of mistakes made during an “investigation” that could potentially exculpate the “accused”? This is quickly moving into Mark Fuhrman territory.

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    Lani August 30, 2013 at 4:36 am #

    john:
    Wow!This Blog post definitely has gotten the CCP’s attention.The YouTube video has been removed.They obviously took my advice.

    And that advice was to destroy the evidence? Thanks for clarifying.

  51. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater August 30, 2013 at 8:29 am #

    Lani: And that advice was to destroy the evidence?Thanks for clarifying.

    Why not it’s the same thing Leo Donofrio used to do when his line of BS didn’t work out? Scrub Scrub Scrub… “out out damn spot”

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    Majority Will August 30, 2013 at 8:56 am #

    “There’s really not much there. However, I got a strange email from Papit (actually 3) this evening demanding a retraction of my saying that the video proved he was incompetent, when I already knew that the machine was broken. He seemed quite agitated.

    I can’t retract what I never said.”

    And a video really isn’t necessary.

  53. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 30, 2013 at 11:02 am #

    I get distinct impression that Zullo is looking for an easy out at this point. Some way to go “We want to get out of this, but in a way that absolves us from having to admit we were wrong…” He’ll probably end up passing the blame on some random “investigator”. If that is indeed the case, lets hope he picks John! He seems eager to take a bullet for Team Zullo!

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    Publius August 30, 2013 at 11:27 am #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    I get distinct impression that Zullo is looking for an easy out at this point. Some way to go “We want to get out of this, but in a way that absolves us from having to admit we were wrong…” He’ll probably end up passing the blame on some random “investigator”. If that is indeed the case, lets hope he picks John! He seems eager to take a bullet for Team Zullo!

    Slimebags always look for the easy way out, that will allow them to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions.

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    Publius August 30, 2013 at 11:43 am #

    And then you have those who are totally and irretrievably out of touch with reality, like pretty much everyone in this thread:

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/08/team-arpaio-obamabots-now-suspects.html

  56. avatar
    Rickey August 30, 2013 at 11:51 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:

    There’s really not much there. However, I got a strange email from Papit (actually 3) this evening demanding a retraction of my saying that the video proved he was incompetent, when I already knew that the machine was broken. He seemed quite agitated.

    I can’t retract what I never said.

    You didn’t need to say it for everybody to know it!

  57. avatar
    Rickey August 30, 2013 at 12:10 pm #

    john:

    Just to recall something, after Obama released his long form birth certificate on April 27, 2011, it has been reported that donations and support for Lt Col. Terry Lakin virtually dried up.To this day, it has never recovered.

    Lakin’s book is currently #1,402,735 at Amazon. It’s being outsold by a book called “Rats, Lice and History.”

    And Lakin isn’t a Lieutenant Colonel anymore.

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    Jim August 30, 2013 at 1:49 pm #

    Publius:
    And then you have those who are totally and irretrievably out of touch with reality, like pretty much everyone in this thread:

    We’re now suspects? Hey Zullo and all the birthers at ORYR!

    http://www.orkugifs.com/en/images/mona-lisa-sticking-tongue-out_1732.gif

    And President Obama says “Hi”. 😀

  59. avatar
    justlw August 31, 2013 at 12:31 am #

    Newsman Daniel Schorr and Paul Newman stated, separately, that inclusion on the list was their greatest accomplishment.

    Nixon’s Enemies List, Wikipedia

  60. avatar
    justlw August 31, 2013 at 12:37 am #

    john: Who knows, NBC could manipulating everything. I certainly wouldn’t put past him

    I’m curious: what previous behavior can you point to by NBC that makes it clear to you that you can’t trust him? Anything? One thing?

    I mean, I can point to probably a dozen behaviors by the CCP and their camp followers that show that they can’t be trusted further than I could throw them, and only now does it seem to be dawning on you that maybe, just maybe, they’re not totally on the up-and-up. And yet you’re casting asparagus at NBC?

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    nbc August 31, 2013 at 2:27 am #

    john: Who knows, NBC could manipulating everything. I certainly wouldn’t put past him. I tried to scan the BC on a Xerox Color Copier but the result didn’t even come remotely close to Obama’s BC.

    You used a not Workcentre Xerox and complain that it does not look anything like it? Are you too chicken to run it through a WorkCentre?

    I guess you have nothing and are now trying to use ad hominem attacks.

    You are such a pathetic person my friend.

  62. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater August 31, 2013 at 11:53 am #

    justlw: . And yet you’re casting asparagus at NBC?

    haha I see what you did there Mr Gohmert

  63. avatar
    misha marinsky August 31, 2013 at 7:57 pm #

    john: I tried to scan the BC on a Xerox Color Copier

    You have the actual BC? When did you fly to Honolulu? How did you get the DOH to give you a certified copy? How does one use a copier to scan to a pdf?

    john: the result didn’t even come remotely close to Obama’s BC.

    Let me get this straight: You printed a copy from the web. Then you made a copy of that, on a Xerox Color copier – not a WorkCentre. So you ended up with a copy of a copy of a copy, on some machine that was handy – whew!

    Sounds like Catch 22 – Major Major Major.

    john: the result didn’t even come remotely close to Obama’s BC.

    Amazing.

  64. avatar
    CarlOrcas August 31, 2013 at 8:04 pm #

    misha marinsky: Amazing.

    I’ve heard john is a member of the Cold Case Posse’s Junior Auxiliary. They probably only had a copier at his day care.

  65. avatar
    misha marinsky August 31, 2013 at 8:09 pm #

    CarlOrcas: They probably only had a copier at his day care.

    Here’s John making a copy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnnSVVdxp8o

  66. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 31, 2013 at 8:17 pm #

    Nah! It went down like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR2dcCxMBS4

  67. avatar
    CarlOrcas August 31, 2013 at 8:56 pm #

    misha marinsky: Here’s John making a copy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnnSVVdxp8o

    Gee, I always thought john would be taller.

  68. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 31, 2013 at 9:07 pm #

    I think that John has a bright future in a career with the Cold Case Posse.

    misha marinsky: Let me get this straight: You printed a copy from the web. Then you made a copy of that, on a Xerox Color copier – not a WorkCentre. So you ended up with a copy of a copy of a copy, on some machine that was handy – whew!

  69. avatar
    JPotter August 31, 2013 at 9:55 pm #

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSljO3DqDDU

    More recently unearthed CCCP video 😉

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    CarlOrcas August 31, 2013 at 10:08 pm #

    JPotter:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSljO3DqDDU

    More recently unearthed CCCP video

    It’s probably the 24/7 work schedule, don’t you think?

  71. avatar
    Curious George August 31, 2013 at 11:56 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I think that John has a bright future in a career with the Cold Case Posse.

    Maybe John already has a high paying career with the Cold Case Posse. Wouldn’t it be ironic if John is really Corporal Z? That 24/7 work schedule can do some pretty strange things when sleep deprivation kicks in.

  72. avatar
    Lupin September 1, 2013 at 3:39 am #

    To parody DC Comics, I’d say john likely belongs to the Legion of Substitute Posse.

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    Publius September 2, 2013 at 12:18 am #

    misha marinsky: john: the result didn’t even come remotely close to Obama’s BC.

    Amazing.

    I did a similar experiment. I took an old Sears and Roebuck catalog, ran it first through a Xerox black-and-white photocopier and then through a Fellowes cross-cut Powershredder, and the file I got looks NOTHING like Obama’s PDF.

    Clear proof, obviously, that NBC’s experiment isn’t all it was cracked up to be.