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Judge gives Vogt 20 days to explain what the hell the Court is supposed to do with his legal thing

That’s my interpretation. A more literal way to say it is that Judge James L. Robart has issued an order for Douglas Vogt to show cause within 20 days why the Court should not dismiss his case for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.

Whatever Vogt thinks he did, the Court considers what he filed a civil lawsuit. The Court also recognizes that the intent of Vogt’s filing is to cause the court to begin a criminal prosecution. Essentially the Court told Vogt: “You can’t do that.” A more precise rendition is: “Decisions to prosecute or file charges are generally within the prosecutor’s discretion, and private citizens, such as Mr. Vogt, have no standing to institute a federal criminal prosecution and no power to enforce a criminal statute against another.” The two Misprision statutes Vogt cites are not causes of action for a civil lawsuit, said the Court.

I am pleased that the court is disposing of the case so promptly.

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36 Responses to Judge gives Vogt 20 days to explain what the hell the Court is supposed to do with his legal thing

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    gorefan November 5, 2013 at 8:00 pm #

    Bob at fogbow posts a link to an order to show cause motion from the Judge in the Vogt case.

    http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscourts.wawd.196544/gov.uscourts.wawd.196544.5.0.pdf

    Apparently the judge doesn’t think his court has jurisdiction.

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    CarlOrcas November 5, 2013 at 8:20 pm #

    gorefan: Apparently the judge doesn’t think his court has jurisdiction.

    Nor, it appears, does he think much of Mr. Vogt’s arguments.

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    gorefan November 5, 2013 at 8:26 pm #

    gorefan:
    Bob at fogbow posts a link to an order to show cause motion from the Judge in the Vogt case.

    Correction:

    AnitaMaria at fogbow posts a link to an order to show cause motion from the Judge in the Vogt case.

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    gorefan November 5, 2013 at 8:28 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Nor, it appears, does he think much of Mr. Vogt’s arguments.

    Not a surprise. Except maybe to Vogt.

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    Dr. Conspiracy November 5, 2013 at 10:44 pm #

    Looks like the case is going to be dismissed before I can get it debunked. That’s as bad as Obama releasing his birth certificate before Corsi could get his book “Where’s the Birth Certificate?” in the stores.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG November 5, 2013 at 10:50 pm #

    *Bif!* *Pow!* *Rejected!*

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    Joey November 5, 2013 at 11:45 pm #

    Several weeks ago I posted on the amazon.com birther forum that Vogt’s court action would be dismissed on grounds of lack of subject matter jurisdiction, and I am not a lawyer!

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    JPotter November 5, 2013 at 11:57 pm #

    A ‘legal’ thing? Very generous. Sounds like the court is explaining that it’s quite an illegal thing. 😉

    Having failed to file with a court of incompetent jurisdiction, this was the inevitable outcome.

    Have to match the filing to the court. Vogt needs to redirect Manning’s Court of Jesters.

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    Slartibartfast November 6, 2013 at 12:09 am #

    Wow! Vogt might end up setting a new birther speed record!

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG November 6, 2013 at 12:22 am #

    Slartibartfast:
    Wow!Vogt might end up setting a new birther speed record!

    Nah! I think Orly does way more speed than he does.

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    Curious George November 6, 2013 at 1:00 am #

    Well that was a total waste of time. Zullo and company must be in shock. Birtherland must be devastated and the crazies over at ORYR must be going to new levels of crazy. The judge must have read our debunking of Vogt’s 20 points of forgery here on Dr. C. and concluded we were right. Next on the program will be Larry Klayman doing his magic act while explaining why the judge should reconsider his position. What’s next from Birtherland?

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    Benji Franklin November 6, 2013 at 1:01 am #

    JPotter: Having failed to file with a court of INCOMPETENT jurisdiction, this was the inevitable outcome.

    Nicely worded, JPotter! And so true! These Birther legal initiatives are in the realm of the most doomed of attempts that might result from the automatic filing with the court of every document that emerged from a planet upon which 100 Billion monkeys were typing randomly for a Billion years! The only difference being that unlike Birther legal gibberish, randomly typed monkey suits would occasionally make legal sense, and possibly prevail in a court.

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    Graham Shevlin November 6, 2013 at 1:16 am #

    The Birthers will be all over this, accusing the court of setting up for the Inevitable Dismissal By The Cowardly Obama-Owned Judges. Dismissal will allow them to continue with the claim that the courts are skeered to Rule On The Merits and move inevitably to frogmarching, leg shackles etc.

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    G November 6, 2013 at 1:31 am #

    Well said!

    JPotter:
    A ‘legal’ thing? Very generous. Sounds like the court is explaining that it’s quite an illegal thing.

    Having failed to file with a court of incompetent jurisdiction, this was the inevitable outcome.

    Have to match the filing to the court. Vogt needs to redirect Manning’s Court of Jesters.

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    CarlOrcas November 6, 2013 at 3:30 am #

    Graham Shevlin:
    The Birthers will be all over this, accusing the court of setting up for the Inevitable Dismissal By The Cowardly Obama-Owned Judges. Dismissal will allow them to continue with the claim that the courts are skeered to Rule On The Merits and move inevitably to frogmarching, leg shackles etc.

    Judge Robart was appointed in 2003……by President George W. Bush. Hmm.

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    The Magic M November 6, 2013 at 7:25 am #

    for Douglas Vogt to show cause within 20 days why the Court should not dismiss his case

    Now Vogt – who is not even an armchair lawyer – will probably have to resort to the two previous failed birther arguments:

    1. The “Have Standing Too” argument: “I have standing because … and … and because I can’t sleep at night with a black guy in my White House”.

    2. The “National Emergency” argument: “You must disregard the law and your ordinary mode of process because NATIONAL IMPORTANCE and EMERGENCY because USURPER” that Orly usually tries.

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    Reality Check November 6, 2013 at 8:22 am #

    This should be good. It means the “case” is doomed but we will get another chunk of craziness from Vogt and Sibley in reply to the OSC.

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    Dr. Conspiracy November 6, 2013 at 9:04 am #

    We should be aware of the possibility that Sibley is engaging in the unlicensed practice of law.

    Reality Check: This should be good. It means the “case” is doomed but we will get another chunk of craziness from Vogt and Sibley in reply to the OSC.

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    gorefan November 6, 2013 at 12:11 pm #

    Reality Check: This should be good. It means the “case” is doomed but we will get another chunk of craziness from Vogt and Sibley in reply to the OSC.

    Over at BR (formerly ORYR) Vogt mentions the new revelation about the hospital certificate found in 2011 in the following comment.

    “Executives at GE, NBC and Savannah Guthrie are named in my Affidavits filed in the Seattle Federal Court. They know what they did and it is they who are doubling down on their lie. So, April 14th, 2011, Obama found his actual hospital birth documentation with his actual footprints on it yet on April 22nd, 2011, he had his attorney send a letter to Hawaii requesting two copies of his legal birth certificate. He then publishes a manipulated pdf of a purported birth certificate on the Internet. Then why order/create one when you purportedly have the one with PRINTS on it? Read GE’s and NBCs insolvent on my web site http://www.vectorpub.com and learn why they are so nervous. Ask yourself: Why is NBC bringing this subject up again when it was suppose to have been a dead issue for the media? I guess its not so dead—is it?”

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/11/nbc-drops-bomb-obama-found-birth.html

    This will clearly be grounds for a Motion to Reconsider the Order to Show Cause and to Present as Amended the Complaint to the Federal Prosecutors Requiring Them to Submit the Aforementioned Complaint to a Grand Jury.

    Or something along those lines.

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    Reality Check November 6, 2013 at 1:03 pm #

    That has been noted by a few folks.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    We should be aware of the possibility that Sibley is engaging in the unlicensed practice of law.

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    bob November 6, 2013 at 1:03 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    We should be aware of the possibility that Sibley is engaging in the unlicensed practice of law.

    It is not UPL to ghostwrite. If it was, Apuzzo would be guilty, and Paige would be his accomplice. (See also: CEL3 and Taitz.)

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    roadburner November 6, 2013 at 1:23 pm #

    Graham Shevlin: The Birthers will be all over this, accusing the court of setting up for the Inevitable Dismissal By The Cowardly Obama-Owned Judges. Dismissal will allow them to continue with the claim that the courts are skeered to Rule On The Merits and move inevitably to frogmarching, leg shackles etc.

    it’s already started

    guess they are steadying themselves for the obvious dismissal, and this is their way of consoling each other.

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    bob November 6, 2013 at 3:26 pm #

    One of Vogt’s points of forgery was debunked by … Miki Booth.

    Last night (around 92:00) on Volin’s show, Booth explained when she gave birth in Hawaii, she self-reported the parents’ race.

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    RanTalbott November 6, 2013 at 4:09 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Judge Robart was appointed in 2003……by President George W. Bush. Hmm.

    Would that be the same Bush whose Selective Service Administration conspired to circulate the forged registration card?

    Looks like we might find a use for Thomson Correctional Center, after all.

    Oh, wait: it’s “treason”, so they’re all going to be hanged, and we won’t need long-term housing.

    Nevermind…

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    Daniel November 6, 2013 at 5:01 pm #

    I especially like that the order cites as precedent a case that Sibley lost, in addition to cites of Berg and Kertchners cases. Birther failures being used against them.

    Sibley v. Obama, 866 F. Supp. 2d 17, 20 (D.D.C. 2012) (“Plaintiff lacks standing to challenge President Obama’s current tenure in office, just as others who have made similar claims contesting President Obama’s eligibility for the presidency were found to lack standing. The injury plaintiff asserts is not particular to him.”)

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    RanTalbott November 6, 2013 at 8:03 pm #

    Graham Shevlin: The Birthers will be all over this, accusing the court of setting up for the Inevitable Dismissal By The Cowardly Obama-Owned Judges

    A pretty safe prediction 🙂

    And one that has already come true at ORYR: http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/11/judge-issues-order-in-obama-fraud-case.html

    It’s definitely amusing to watch the graduates of the Ben Matlock School of Lawyerin’ and Banjo Pickin’ respond to attempts to ‘splain to them what the order means.

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    CarlOrcas November 6, 2013 at 8:22 pm #

    RanTalbott: A pretty safe prediction

    And one that has already come true at ORYR: http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/11/judge-issues-order-in-obama-fraud-case.html

    It’s definitely amusing to watch the graduates of the Ben Matlock School of Lawyerin’ and Banjo Pickin’ respond to attempts to ‘splain to them what the order means.

    It is just bizarre, isn’t it? I like the latest about the Freemasons. Yawn!

  28. avatar
    ScottRS November 6, 2013 at 8:46 pm #

    JPotter:
    A ‘legal’ thing? Very generous.

    I think “legal thing” here makes more sense if you read it using the voice of Jerry Lewis.

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    justlw November 6, 2013 at 9:14 pm #

    CarlOrcas: I like the latest about the Freemasons. Yawn!

    “Yawn” ? I haven’t seen some good old-fashioned Illuminati conspiracizing in an age!

    This is not corruption! What we are witnessing is an infiltration of secret societies (freemasons others), who are highly organized and loyal ONLY to freemasonry, who follow orders from their brotherhood. To call this coupe de tat anything else is tiresome

    And what better vehicle to transport your delusions to the frogmarches in, than the 2014 Coupe de Tat! Luxuriate in the hand-made lace upholstery!

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    JPotter November 6, 2013 at 10:18 pm #

    bob: Last night (around 92:00) on Volin’s show, Booth explained when she gave birth in Hawaii, she self-reported the parents’ race.

    Aw, c’mon, Bob, it’s not whether it’s self-reported, but what’s reported. Anything contributing to Obama’s legitimacy is rejected reflexively, sans contrepartie.

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    The Magic M November 7, 2013 at 4:45 am #

    justlw: And what better vehicle to transport your delusions to the frogmarches in, than the 2014 Coupe de Tat!

    They misspelled that, they obviously meant “Coup de Tet” – didn’t anyone watch “Oblivion” for Chrissakes? The alien AI has already taken us over (and BHO aka “Binary Head Oppressor” is its avatar). 😉

  32. avatar
    Dave November 8, 2013 at 4:21 pm #

    Do we know, whose testimony is in the sealed affidavit? Is it more Vogt, or somebody else?

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    Arthur November 13, 2013 at 9:03 am #

    And now we have Vogt’s response:

    http://www.obamaforgerybook.com/PDF_Files/Response_to_order_to_show_cause_11-12-2013.pdf

    Enjoy!

  34. avatar
    Whatever4 November 13, 2013 at 9:44 am #

    Novel approach. Or rather, short fiction.

  35. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG November 13, 2013 at 9:57 am #

    Oh that’s rich! He’s asking for money!
    So new and original, that one!

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    John Reilly November 13, 2013 at 10:14 am #

    I can’t figure out whether he thinks the federal court (1) can or (2) cannot do anything. I think the best summary is that the court can give him a refund, appoint a special prosecutor, and empanel a grand jury, all in a case in which Vogt concedes that court has no constitutional power to do so.

    And that the court is engaged in some sort of cover up or manipulation, because, as Dr. Taitz has demonstrated, accusing judges of criminal behavior is successful in getting them to rule your way.