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Who, or why, or which, or what is Harrison J. Bounel?

Somewhere in this world, there is a database record created in November of 2009, encoded in bits and bytes, that has contains the name “Harrison J. Bounel,” the address of President Obama’s house in Chicago and the social-security number President Obama used on his 2009 Income Tax return and his 1980 Selective Service System registration. In another record in some database there is an entry for Barack Obama with the date of birth “1890” (and others with his correct date of birth, and one or more with the month and day switched).

From this, the birthers have spun the theory that Harrison J. Bounel was a real person, born in 1890, who got a social-security number in the 1970’s in Connecticut, immediately moved into a Hawaiian nursing home, and died. Barack Obama, so they say, then started using that social-security number for some unexplained reason.

Despite efforts by the birthers who are real private detectives, none of the details of the theory have been verified. For example, no other trace of anyone named Harrison J. Bounel has ever been found, living or dead, in Hawaii or Connecticut, or anywhere else. He’s not in the US Census records. He’s not in the Social Security Death Index. He’s nowhere except that one singular database entry. Bounel is not associated with the date “1890” in any record, but the birthers nevertheless adamantly insist that’s when he was born.

I wouldn’t even mention this loony theory except that I’ve been bombarded with it in comments over at WorldNetDaily from people who firmly believe it’s true. Let me bring up some objections to the theory:

  1. If Harrison J. Bounel were a real person, he should have left more records behind. If he died in Hawaii, he’d be in the public Hawaiian death index.
  2. The Bounel database record was created in November, of 2009, when someone born in 1890 would have been 119 years old.
  3. It’s a notable coincidence that Bounel appeared in a record with Obama’s social-security number just one month after Orly Taitz published the President’s social-security number on the Internet (meaning that anyone could have learned of it, along with Obama’s name and public home address).
  4. Obama used the social-security number for 30 years, filing income taxes with the IRS (who verify numbers with names and dates of birth) without any problem.
  5. The Social Security Administration has said in court filings that they don’t have any records for a Harrison J. Bounel born in 1890.

What is more amazing about this birther theory is that the theory itself doesn’t account for its central evidence, the database record. The database record itself doesn’t provide so much as a clue as to what it is a record of, nor where it came from, and the birthers don’t even have a speculation that explains it. If Bounel actually existed and was born in 1890, he was most certainly dead in 2009 and not creating database records. Obama would never use Bounel’s name. So if Obama didn’t do it, and Bounel didn’t do it, there really only remains two options: the record is a mistake or it is fraudulent and from some third party, and if that is the case why are we even having this discussion?

So I offer the birthers two challenges:

  1. Prove that Harrison J. Bounel, born 1890, existed.
  2. Provide some scenario, plausible even by birther standards, that explains the database record.

Put up or shut up.

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45 Responses to Who, or why, or which, or what is Harrison J. Bounel?

  1. avatar
    Curious George December 15, 2013 at 9:21 am #

    Doc,
    “So if Obama didn’t do it, and Bounel didn’t do it, there really only remains two options: the record is a mistake or it is fraudulent and from some third party, and if that is the case why are we even having this discussion?”

    With the Birther track record as it is, I would say it is fraudulent and from a third party. They are not to be believed.

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    Paper December 15, 2013 at 9:42 am #

    FYI – your final official challenge cites Bounel’s birth as 1980, not 1890.

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    gorefan December 15, 2013 at 9:56 am #

    “In another record in some database there is an entry for Barack Obama with the date of birth “1890” (and others with his correct date of birth, and one or more with the month and day switched).”

    There is also a fourth DOB of 1990 that was in one of Susan Daniels’ affidavits.

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Affidavit-of-Susan-Daniels-fnl-.pdf

    On page 13, the fifth entry (Somerville, MA address). It was first reported in the database in August, 1988. Further down the same page for the same address (twelfth entry) is the 1890 DOB. AFAIK, Ms. Daniels has never explained the 1990 entry.

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    Suranis December 15, 2013 at 10:40 am #

    Of course he existed. He is in the records of Barack Obama, who lies and falsifies all the data in his records, which makes it ironclad evidence of the truth of his existence!

    What?

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater December 15, 2013 at 11:47 am #

    Actually the 1890 Bounel seems to be a Harrison L. Bounel. Orly just tried to connect the two. There’s an entry of an Harrison J. Bounel on the house records for Obama with the social listed. In that original listing there was no 1890 date. Then there was an 1890 date in one listing for Obama and a social which most likely was a filler date. The 1890 and Bounel date was connected through a Harrison L. Bounel who most likely isn’t even the same person as Harrison J. Bounel.

    From that Orly tried to connect the three differing bits of information into one “coherent” narrative.

  6. avatar
    John Reilly December 15, 2013 at 11:52 am #

    “DEAR Dr. Conspiracy: I am 8 years old.
    “Some of my little friends say there is no Harrison Bounel.
    “Papa says, ‘If you see it Obama Conspiracy Theories it’s so.’
    “Please tell me the truth; is there a Harrison Bounel?

    “VIRGINIA O’HANLON.
    “115 WEST NINETY-FIFTH STREET.”

    VIRGINIA, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men’s or children’s, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

    Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Harrison Bounel. He exists because, well, to Birthers, he has to exist. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Harrison Bounel be as dreary as if there were no Orlys. There would be no childlike faith then, no paranoia, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.

    Not believe in Harrison Bounel? You may as well not believe in fairies! You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the Birther web sites on Christmas Eve to catch Harrison Bounel, but even if they did not see Harrison Bounel coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Harrison Bounel, but that is no sign that there is no Harrison Bounel. The most real things in the world are those that neither Orly Taitz nor Mike Zullo can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that’s no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.

    You may tear apart the baby’s rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, VIRGINIA, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.

    No Harrison Bounel! Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of Birthers trying to repeal the 21st Century.

  7. avatar
    Joey December 15, 2013 at 12:25 pm #

    I am Harrison J. Bounel. All anti-birther/Obots are Harrison J. Bounel. BOUNEL LIVES!

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    Rickey December 15, 2013 at 12:34 pm #

    gorefan:

    There is also a fourth DOB of 1990 that was in one of Susan Daniels’ affidavits.

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Affidavit-of-Susan-Daniels-fnl-.pdf

    On page 13, the fifth entry (Somerville, MA address).It was first reported in the database in August, 1988.Further down the samepage for the same address (twelfth entry)is the 1890 DOB.AFAIK, Ms. Daniels has never explained the 1990 entry.

    The birthers also should be required to explain why, when Susan Daniels ran her database searches of Obama’s SSN in October 2009, she turned up no record of Harrison Bounel.

  9. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG December 15, 2013 at 12:49 pm #

    Notice how when you issue an actually challenge that requires more than pointing out imaginary technicalities, John’s nowhere to be seen? Its like expecting a habitual liar to participate in a Quiz Bowl.

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    gorefan December 15, 2013 at 12:54 pm #

    Rickey: The birthers also should be required to explain why, when Susan Daniels ran her database searches of Obama’s SSN in October 2009, she turned up no record of Harrison Bounel.

    Daniels says that the Bounel name is an error in the database.

  11. avatar
    Suranis December 15, 2013 at 2:29 pm #

    *Spit* Daniels is a BINO

    (Birther in name only)

  12. avatar
    CarlOrcas December 15, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Notice how when you issue an actually challenge that requires more than pointing out imaginary technicalities, John’s nowhere to be seen? Its like expecting a habitual liar to participate in a Quiz Bowl.

    john’s probably busy helping Zullo clean the posse clubhouse in preparation for the big annoucement.

  13. avatar
    Slartibartfast December 15, 2013 at 3:14 pm #

    It seems that birthers posting here these days are completely unwilling to do more than drive-by trolling. I can’t remember the last time a birther made a comment and then suck around to respond to anyone’s rebuttal.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Notice how when you issue an actually challenge that requires more than pointing out imaginary technicalities, John’s nowhere to be seen? Its like expecting a habitual liar to participate in a Quiz Bowl.

  14. avatar
    Daniel December 15, 2013 at 3:19 pm #

    Soylent Green is Harrison J. Bounel!!!!

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 15, 2013 at 4:28 pm #

    I read the census record has Harry S. Bounel (based other letters on the census report). In any case, it is not a “J.”

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: From that Orly tried to connect the three differing bits of information into one “coherent” narrative.

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    Suranis December 15, 2013 at 5:12 pm #

    OK guys, I think I have it all figured out.

    Assuming the optical recogniction sortware was a bit wonky, it might had misplaced a letter. that means it could have read, “Hairy Son” as “Harryson”

    Which mean I know what the big secret of the Obots is, and what Zullo has figured out.

    Yes, I’m ashamed to admit it, but here it is.

    Barack Obama is Bigfoot.

  17. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 15, 2013 at 5:19 pm #

    That was precious.

    John Reilly: Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Harrison Bounel.

  18. avatar
    Reality Check December 15, 2013 at 7:06 pm #

    I have often thought that the Harrison J. Bounel nonsense was the dumbest theory the Birthers have floated but then I think about the theory that George Bush’s Director of Selective Service inserted multiple fraudulent documents into the SS records to show Obama registered for the draft back in the 80’s.

    The former doesn’t really rise to the level of a theory since they have never identified Bounel or proved he even existed. The latter relies on a two digit year in a date stamp on an application whose authenticity is backed up by computer records. I suspect that at no time in history has a two digit date stamp ever been successfully used to prove a forgery.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG December 15, 2013 at 7:18 pm #

    Suranis:

    Barack Obama is Bigfoot.

    Nah. Its common knowledge that Bigfoot was a Czech immigrant who ate some of the blue LSD at woodstock and just sorta…wandered into the woods.

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    JPotter December 15, 2013 at 7:42 pm #

    Reality Check: I have often thought that the Harrison J. Bounel nonsense was the dumbest theory the Birthers have floated

    They do have plenny o’dumb’ns, but for the average simpleton who wants to believe, the Bounel bit has the wonderful aura of specificity. Skips past the “Did Obama steal a SSN?” question by providing (or appearing to provide) the SSN Obama supposedly stole. And it’s conveniently that of a dead guy, a trick every simpleton has been assured by TV is standard criminal practice.Why would anyone make such a specific claim if tehy couldn’t back it up? … right? Eh? winky-winky, nudge-nudge.

    Let’s go full circle and spread the rumor that Vogt identified Bounel as the forger of the BC. Hey, we could say O didn’t steal the SSN … Bounel gave it to him!

    That’s right, Bounel isn’t just their Guffman …. he’s Mr. Big, the guy behind the scenes, the Prime Mover, The Father of the Birf, the Hand on all the Levers. ;)

  21. avatar
    Rickey December 15, 2013 at 10:02 pm #

    gorefan: Daniels says that the Bounel name is an error in the database.

    But she is the only birther I am aware of who has admitted that it is an error. I believe that she may have told Orly that it is an error, but Orly won’t even believe her own people when they debunk her crackpot theories.

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    Rickey December 15, 2013 at 10:09 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I read the census record has Harry S. Bounel (based other letters on the census report). In any case, it is not a “J.”

    It also isn’t “Harrison.” A Russian immigrant might well have taken the name “Harry,” but Harrison? I checked a Russian-English cross-index of names, and there is no entry for “Harrison.” There are a number of entries for “Harry.”

    http://www.doukhobor.org/Russian-English-Names.htm

  23. avatar
    justlw December 15, 2013 at 11:35 pm #

    The first rule of Harrison J. Bounel is you do not document Harrison J. Bounel.

  24. avatar
    Lupin December 16, 2013 at 2:37 am #

    “I’m not a number, I’m a free man.”
    Harrison J. Bounel
    The Village.

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    Yoda December 16, 2013 at 9:28 am #

    Rickey: It also isn’t “Harrison.” A Russian immigrant might well have taken the name “Harry,” but Harrison? I checked a Russian-English cross-index of names, and there is no entry for “Harrison.” There are a number of entries for “Harry.”

    http://www.doukhobor.org/Russian-English-Names.htm

    I am not even sure the last name was Bounel. It was handwritten in script. Bounel is only one of several possible last names.

  26. avatar
    Roadscholar December 16, 2013 at 10:02 am #

    Basically no records on Harrison Bounel: obviously a real person, case closed.
    Thousands of records on Barack Obama: nobody knows who he is.

    Ah, Birfers. Ah, humanity.

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 16, 2013 at 10:05 am #

    Maybe we could get an opinion from Reed Hayes.

    Yoda: I am not even sure the last name was Bounel. It was handwritten in script. Bounel is only one of several possible last names.

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    Rickey December 16, 2013 at 12:33 pm #

    Yoda: I am not even sure the last name was Bounel.It was handwritten in script. Bounel is only one of several possible last names.

    In the Census surname tabulation for 1990, the name “Bounel” does not appear at all. The most likely suspect is “Bonnel,” but other possibilities (in no particular order) include “Bonnell,” “Bonneau,” and “Bonner.”

    http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/data/1990surnames/dist.all.last

    A nationwide search of listed telephone numbers turns up not a single listing for the name “Bounel.” This and the census data tell me that Harry’s surname almost certainly was not “Bounel,” so Orly has been barking up the wrong tree.

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    justlw December 16, 2013 at 12:34 pm #

    JPotter: That’s right, Bounel isn’t just their Guffman …. he’s Mr. Big, the guy behind the scenes, the Prime Mover, The Father of the Birf, the Hand on all the Levers.

    Who is Harrison J. Bounel? He is supposed to be Turkish. Some say his father was German. Nobody believed he was real. Nobody ever saw him or knew anybody that ever worked directly for him, but to hear birthers tell it, anybody could have worked for Bounel. You never knew. That was his power. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist. And like that, poof. He’s gone.

  30. avatar
    Roadscholar December 16, 2013 at 1:41 pm #

    justlw: And like that, poof. He’s gone.

    :lol:

  31. avatar
    donna December 16, 2013 at 5:33 pm #

    from tailz:

    This is very good news. Judge Ellen Lipton Hollander in a case of Obama using a stolen CT Social Security number of Harry Bounel rules without prejudice and gives me an opportunity to file a second amended complaint and add allegations of SSA not doing a proper search and withholding records . Thank God!!!

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=442784

    oh and send money!!!!

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    RanTalbott December 16, 2013 at 8:18 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Maybe we could get an opinion from Reed Hayes.

    Sure: he could tell us whether the census-taker was a bed-wetter as a child.

  33. avatar
    bgansel9 December 17, 2013 at 5:49 pm #

    donna: This is very good news. Judge Ellen Lipton Hollander in a case of Obama using a stolen CT Social Security number of Harry Bounel rules without prejudice and gives me an opportunity to file a second amended complaint and add allegations of SSA not doing a proper search and withholding records . Thank God!!!

    How long do we have to wait before her major mental breakdown? I want to watch that.

  34. avatar
    RanTalbott December 17, 2013 at 8:00 pm #

    bgansel9: How long do we have to wait before her major mental breakdown? I want to watch that.

    Oops: I thought we already were.

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    Benji Franklin December 17, 2013 at 8:01 pm #

    donna: from tailz:

    This is very good news. Judge Ellen Lipton Hollander in a case of Obama using a stolen CT Social Security number of Harry Bounel rules without prejudice and gives me an opportunity to file a second amended complaint and add allegations of SSA not doing a proper search and withholding records . Thank God!!!

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=442784

    This is bunker denial mentality more bizare than any we ever read about Hitler in his last days. Like telling him his last two armies have been destroyed and hearing him say, “This is very good news. Now I can attack with fresh troops, and still have the time to pursue a war-winning career in Motel Management!”

    Orly is confounding reality by trying to convince her followers that losing is winning.

  36. avatar
    RanTalbott December 17, 2013 at 8:05 pm #

    Now, now. Didn’t your mother teach you “It isn’t whether you win or lose: it’s how you play the game”?

    Oh, wait … she sucks at that. Big time.

    Nevermind…

  37. avatar
    Daniel December 17, 2013 at 8:57 pm #

    Rickey: In the Census surname tabulation for 1990, the name “Bounel” does not appear at all. The most likely suspect is “Bonnel,” but other possibilities (in no particular order) include “Bonnell,” “Bonneau,” and “Bonner.”

    Or Boehner, or….

    Heeeeey waydaminit…..

  38. avatar
    Bernard Sussman December 19, 2013 at 8:33 am #

    Pretending for the sake of argument that this Bounel ever existed, why would someone born in 1890 wait until the 1970s – when he’d be in his 80s and long retired – to get a Soc.Sec. card?? You’d think he have been among the first wave to apply for Soc.Sec when it began circa 1936 and he would have been 46 years old!

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater December 19, 2013 at 9:29 am #

    Bernard Sussman: Pretending for the sake of argument that this Bounel ever existed, why would someone born in 1890 wait until the 1970s – when he’d be in his 80s and long retired – to get a Soc.Sec. card?? You’d think he have been among the first wave to apply for Soc.Sec when it began circa 1936 and he would have been 46 years old!

    Come now Bernard you’re making too much sense. That’s too logical for birther reasoning. On top of that where exactly was this “Harrison J. Bounel” living in 1936 or when he retired? They claim he died in CT. Any proof he had been living there in the 70s?

    Further this is the second person birthers have claimed the number belonged to. For the first few years they claimed the social belonged to someone named Jean Paul Ludwig.

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    The Magic M December 19, 2013 at 9:59 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: They claim he died in CT.

    Didn’t they claim he lived in CT and died in Hawaii? Not that they have any source for either…

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Further this is the second person birthers have claimed the number belonged to.

    Well, I wouldn’t copy the birther MO to attribute anything some birthers said to all birthers. (Just like they try to claim “Obots named two different hospitals” or “Obots named two different delivering physicians”.) There may very well be some who never heard of the Ludwig claim yet adhere to the Bounel claim.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater December 19, 2013 at 10:47 am #

    The Magic M: Didn’t they claim he lived in CT and died in Hawaii? Not that they have any source for either…Well, I wouldn’t copy the birther MO to attribute anything some birthers said to all birthers. (Just like they try to claim “Obots named two different hospitals” or “Obots named two different delivering physicians”.) There may very well be some who never heard of the Ludwig claim yet adhere to the Bounel claim.

    Well okay Orly has claimed both Ludwig and Bounel at one time or another.

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 19, 2013 at 11:09 am #

    Yes, but unfortunately for Orly, Ludwig is a real deceased person whose social-security number is easily obtained from the Social Security Death Index. Guess what? Different number.

    See:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/06/details-details/

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Well okay Orly has claimed both Ludwig and Bounel at one time or another.

  43. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater December 19, 2013 at 11:19 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Yes, but unfortunately for Orly, Ludwig is a real deceased person whose social-security number is easily obtained from the Social Security Death Index. Guess what? Different number.See:http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/06/details-details/

    Yup. You and I both know that. It was pointed out to her she then tried claiming she never claimed it was Ludwig’s social. At which time she then moved on to this Bounel claim.

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    Sef December 19, 2013 at 12:19 pm #

    Bernard Sussman: why would someone born in 1890 wait until the 1970s

    When did Walmart start victimizing old people as “greeters”?

  45. avatar
    Sef December 19, 2013 at 12:29 pm #

    Maybe the entire problem with birthers, and Orly in particular, is that her brain is little-endian and the world is big-endian. Her translation circuitry is from the USSR and she hasn’t gotten the wetware upgrade.