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Brian Reilly answers commenter questions III

Mr. Reilly’s responses are in underlined bold italics.

Dr. Conspiracy:”Section 11-410. Use of county resources or employees to influence elections; prohibitions

A. A county shall not use its personnel, equipment, materials, buildings or other resources for the purpose of influencing the outcomes of elections. Notwithstanding this section, a county may distribute informational reports on a proposed bond election as provided in § 35-454. Nothing in this section precludes a county from reporting on official actions of the county board of supervisors.”

“The investigation of Barack Obama’s birth certificate IN MARICOPA COUNTY could have been nothing else but politically motivated.”

According to my Posse training at an MCSO “Ethics” class, I was told repeatedly that I, as an unpaid volunteer, was considered an “employee” of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office.

It became very clear to me that this “investigation” had apparently become a political operation to influence the November, 2012 presidential election. At one point Zullo remarked about how the investigation influencing just “5%” of the voters could impact the outcome of the 2012 election. Denise and I were both told by Zullo the “investigation” would be over by November, 2012.

It is also my opinion, Commander Zullo, as a Maricopa County employee of the Cold Case Posse, played a crucial political part in the effort to defeat Respect Arizona‘s, recall Arpaio effort. Zullo met on February 4, 2013, at approximately 9:10 A.M. with leaders of the Surprise Tea Party Patriots, just days before the same STPP leaders became organizers of CPFER (Citizens to Protect Fair Election Results, L.L.C.) and signed organizing documents on February 7, 2013 and then filed those documents, February 8, 2013 with the Arizona Corporations Commission. (File # L1822902-3 http://www.cc.state.az.us/ )

CPFER was the organization that was created to resist the Sheriff Arpaio recall effort. CPFER’s legal council was none other than Mr. Larry Klayman. Mr. Klayman is also the attorney who apparently prepared and is utilizing Commander Mike Zullo’s Alabama Supreme Court “hearsay” affidavit in the McInnish Appeal of CV 2012-1053.

Members of the Surprise Tea Party Patriots, the Maricopa County GOP and the Arpaio campaign became the foot soldiers for Arpaio’s anti-recall “Shadow Army.” The “Shadow Army” was utilized to “shadow” Arpaio recall petition solicitors out in the field. The recall effort failed due to  a lack of sufficient recall signatures gathered by solicitors.

CarlOrcas:
Mr. Reilly,

Once again thanks for your time and candor. As you might suspect your answers have prompted more questions:

First, as a result of your postings here have you heard from, or gotten any questions from anyone at the MCSO, the Board of Supervisors or County Administration? Do you know if they are aware of what you are doing? No & Unknown

Again, your answers from the previous message are in bold and my new questions follow:

Do you know how many cars the Cold Case Posse owned? I was aware of three vehicles, and possibly a fourth vehicle. Were they equipped with any police equipment: MCSO radio? Yes. Siren? Yes. Emergency lights? Yes.

Do you know who those vehicles were assigned to? No, Were they, like yours, full time assignments? Unknown I forgot to ask but were there restrictions on when you could use the vehicle? I only used the vehicle for Cold Case Posse business.

As far as the police equipment is concerned: Did you have an MCSO call sign or radio ID? Yes What did you use the radio for? I didn’t use the radio. It was in the trunk on top of the spare tire and the radio didn’t work. I had no radio for the entire time I was with the Cold Case Posse. Did you check on and off duty, in and out of your car? No What channel did you use? None Were you ever dispatched on any calls. No

What were you told about using the lights and siren? I could only use the lights and siren if instructed by a deputy. What were the rules on on-view situations? I assume you were told you couldn’t make traffic stops? How about responding to emergency calls or officer needs help calls? I was not to get involved in any situations.

It strikes me that Zullo can’t have it both ways. Did he explain to you how he felt it was “his work product”? He told me it was his work product and he did not have to release anything to Arpaio.

I’m speechless. Join the crowd.

Did the posse have an attorney? I was aware of one CCP member who was an attorney. If so, did he/she approve the ownership situation? I saw a letter, but I‘d prefer not to comment about the content.

I understand.

As far as the “investigation” is concerned did either Zullo or Arpaio explain how a private entity was going to be able to conduct an “investigation” that one of its founders would own? No. Along the same line of thought, once I became aware of the publication of the first Zullo, Corsi e-book with an introduction by Sheriff Arpaio I was absolutely irate.

And what was their response? I kept my disgust and anger about Zullo’s book to myself. Zullo had told me to use my email list to publicize his book. I refused to do it.

One last question along this line: Did any of them explain how this information could subsequently be used in a criminal prosecution….if it got that far? No. As I have written before, according to Maricopa County Attorney, William Montgomery, the Cold Case Posse “evidence” was only “speculation.” And, he also said he had no jurisdiction. I learned this after I resigned.

Carl Orcas:
“Now…..as far as your thoughts on improper political activity are concerned I think you’re [Dr. C.] on to something but, unfortunately, Arizona history is just full of this stuff…..particularly on the part of county officials.” See the beginning of the answers above.

Rickey:
My questions has to do with personal use of the CCP vehicles. Were posse members who were given CCP vehicles required to reimburse the CCP for personal miles? I did not use the vehicle for personal use. Were they allowed to bring the vehicles home? I kept mine parked at home when not in use for Posse business.

Kate:
I was hoping you could shed some light on the idea that both Arpaio and Zullo claimed that they were hoping to clear President Obama with their investigation yet the only person who Zullo spoke to for over a dozen hours was a known birther, Jerome Corsi.

It was my suggestion that Zullo start with Corsi. He made many claims in his book and they needed to be looked at. If it really was a legitimate investigation, Zullo would have uncovered the bias.

If you’re starting a real investigation, why would you start with such a biased source, using birthers to determine the legitimacy of the birth certificate despite their having no such training or experience? All sources should have been reviewed. Did Zullo ever mention the fact that Corsi dismissed the opinions of actual experts whose opinion regarding the LFBC was not the same as his? I’m only aware of Zullo’s dismissal of Mr. Woodman and his book.

CarlOrcas:
Just for the record I’d like to defend the folks who donate their time to the posses…..again, especially search and rescue and the community posses. None of them get any money from their posse. Their records are open and transparent. Unlike the records of the Cold Case Posse.

Judge Mental:
Given Mr. Reilly’s recent advices to this site regarding the chronology of his epiphany, perhaps what should be of more interest re the Reilly/Montgomery correspondence is why Mr. Reilly was apparently still writing to DA Montgomery in September 2012 about criminal “charges” which might be brought against Obama and about whether Obama could be considered a ‘natural born citizen’ when, according to Mr. Reilly’s recent revelations on here the May 2012 letter of verification from Hawaii had already ended Mr. Reilly’s concerns as to the matter of whether Obama was eligible some 4 months before that correspondence.

Is it his suggestion that he was only writing to Montgomery as part of an effort to try to convince others that the matter was a dead duck? Or, while wearing his Tea Party hat instead of his Posse hat, was he still actually birthing at that time?

To this day, I would encourage birthers and anti-birthers to request that Zullo release all of his “evidence” to the proper authorities, for review. In other words, it’s time to call Zullo’s and Arpaio’s bluff. Request that Arpaio file a criminal complaint. Request that he take their evidence to Congress. Request that they take their evidence to the FBI. Request that they release the Reed Hayes’ report for review. The more that people see that this “investigation” continues, in spite of Zullo’s and Gallup’s claimed evidence of a “100% forgery,” with NO action taken, the more people will hopefully wakeup to the political theater. In my opinion, the CCP has no legitimate “court ready” evidence other than the Verification of Birth from the Hawaii Department of Health, which they have apparently chosen to ignore since May of 2012.


Afterword by Dr. Conspiracy.

Reference has been made to ethics training. The County Ethics Manual is available online. It seems to make a clear distinction between volunteers and employees (mentioning the posses not at all) and we have learned that attempts to use the Arizona Open Records statute to obtain information about the posses failed in the courts because posse members were not public employees. I don’t doubt that Mr. Reilly was told otherwise, but it looks like he was told wrong.

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61 Responses to Brian Reilly answers commenter questions III

  1. avatar
    Keith March 17, 2014 at 6:53 pm #

    Isn’t there a law in Arizona that allows Sheriff’s to be sued by citizens when they don’t enforce the law? Or does that only apply to Sheriff’s that don’t apply unconstitutional laws to dark skinned individuals?

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    Egipcios March 17, 2014 at 6:56 pm #

    It is not likely that you will see any “major legitimate” news organization in Arizona covering this. Margins are extremely thin in the news business these days. Arpaio has demonstrated that he will involve critics of his reign of terror in costly legal actions if they dare to raise their heads in print.

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    CarlOrcas March 17, 2014 at 7:45 pm #

    Keith:
    Isn’t there a law in Arizona that allows Sheriff’s to be sued by citizens when they don’t enforce the law?

    No.

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    CarlOrcas March 17, 2014 at 7:55 pm #

    Egipcios:
    It is not likely that you will see any “major legitimate” news organization in Arizona covering this.Margins are extremely thin in the news business these days.Arpaio has demonstrated that he will involve critics of his reign of terror in costly legal actions if they dare to raise their heads in print.

    Actually……news is still quite profitable (not as much as in the past) and the truth is Arpaio is always good copy.

    This story is percolating and will boil over in due time.

    Arpaio’s ham handed efforts to confront critics and media critics (See New Times arrests) in particular have been uniformly disastrous and incredibly costly to the county.

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    CarlOrcas March 17, 2014 at 7:59 pm #

    Mr. Reilly,

    Thanks again for your time. I’m starting to run out of questions but I will take a look at this response and see anything prompts a question that may be interesting.

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 17, 2014 at 8:41 pm #

    Brian,

    Shortly after you resigned from the CCP, they held their July 17, 2012, press conference at which they presented a fake race code table represented as from a 1961 vital statistics manual. Do you have any idea how the fake codes got from an obscure birther web site into the Posse’s “store of evidence”?

    In an appearance on the Tea Party Power Hour in mid June 2012, Zullo said that the Mafia regularly provided fake Hawaiian birth certificates to Japanese-born children. Were you aware of any evidence that Zullo had to support this claim, and that Hawaii was a hotbed of vital statistics fraud? He also said at an earlier time that he had examples of individuals born around the time of Obama whose births appeared in Honolulu newspaper birth announcements, but were not actually born in Hawaii. Did you see or know any evidence of this?

    Did you hear the Verna K. Lee (Hawaii retired vital statistics clerk) interview recording? Do you know for a fact that Zullo had heard it?

    Did you have any involvement or knowledge of the testing of office machines to see if they could replicate the Obama birth certificate PDF? Did you see or know about any actual Hawaiian birth certificates being used for testing?

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    Commander Publius March 17, 2014 at 9:03 pm #

    I’d like to thank Mr. Reilly not only for coming forward in the first place (which was an act of bravery and integrity), but also for answering so many questions.

    Zullo had told me to use my email list to publicize his book. I refused to do it.

    Amazing.

    [Dr. C:] Shortly after you resigned from the CCP, they held their July 17, 2012, press conference at which they presented a fake race code table represented as from a 1961 vital statistics manual. Do you have any idea how the fake codes got from an obscure birther web site into the Posse’s “store of evidence”?

    IMO there should have been some major consequences from this. It’s simply impossible that an honest and even remotely competent investigation could ever have tried to foist this patently false information onto the public. And as one of the main “points of evidence” of their major “the President’s birth certificate is a fake” press conference, no less.

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    Reality Check March 17, 2014 at 9:13 pm #

    Brian Reilly said

    To this day, I would encourage birthers and anti-birthers to request that Zullo release all of his “evidence” to the proper authorities, for review. In other words, it’s time to call Zullo’s and Arpaio’s bluff. Request that Arpaio file a criminal complaint. Request that he take their evidence to Congress.

    What evidence? So far there is nothing that would lead a reasonable person to believe that Zullo has any evidence at all. The first report and affidavit was nothing but regurgitated analyses by amateurs with an axe to grind like Vogt, Zebest, and Irey. It was all about the PDF when Hawaii had been saying since 2008 that the COLB (we all forget about the COLB don’t we?) was perfectly valid. What real law enforcement officer other than probably the most corrupt sheriff in the entire country would stand up and give that nonsense that Zullo presented any more than a loud guffaw? Yeah, I would like to see what is in Reed Hayes report but not because I think there is any real scientific analysis in it. It would only be for curiosity to see what Zullo got for other peoples money that he wasted..

    So who are the authorities that Arpaio should go see? Well normally he would take evidence to the Maricopa County attorney. But wait; he already did that. He was told to pound sand in polite terms. The FBI? Birthers have tried. The FBI investigates real crimes not imaginary ones. Congress? Well Zullo tried that and even the looniest of the right wing members Steve Stockman wouldn’t sign on. The courts? Doug Vogt is trying that and it doesn’t seem to be working very well.

    What Sheriff Joe really needs to do is go take away Mike’s plastic badge, his car, and the keys to gas pump and tell him to go back to whatever he did before he became a full time grifter.

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    Jim March 17, 2014 at 9:26 pm #

    Reality Check:
    What Sheriff Joe really needs to do is go take away Mike’s plastic badge, his car, and the keys to gas pump and tell him to go back to whatever he did before he became a full time grifter.

    Bar bouncer seemed to fit him nicely.

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    CarlOrcas March 17, 2014 at 10:06 pm #

    Reality Check: What evidence? So far there is nothing that would lead a reasonable person to believe that Zullo has any evidence at all.

    Agreed. I think that’s why Mr. Reilly put the word in quotes and he’s right…time to call their bluff: Stop shopping the “Sheriff’s Kit” around and just release all of it, every syllable, every pixel, to the public and let real people see it, examine it and decide for themselves what it is.

    Reality Check: What Sheriff Joe really needs to do is go take away Mike’s plastic badge, his car, and the keys to gas pump and tell him to go back to whatever he did before he became a full time grifter.

    Ah….the dilemma: Arpaio doesn’t control the posse, doesn’t own the car (he can take his gas key back, I guess), probably doesn’t own the badge (Mr. Reilly, do you know who pays for the badges?) so he has to live with the monster he created.

    Oh the irony…..the posse investigating the sheriff!!

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    Commander Publius March 17, 2014 at 10:14 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Stop shopping the “Sheriff’s Kit” around and just release all of it, every syllable, every pixel, to the public and let real people see it, examine it and decide for themselves what it is.

    They’ll never do that, because what they have is bs. Just like everything they’ve ever actually released.

    The only way to avoid it being exposed as bs is to keep it secret.

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    CarlOrcas March 17, 2014 at 10:22 pm #

    Commander Publius: They’ll never do that, because what they have is bs. Just like everything they’ve ever actually released.

    The only way to avoid it being exposed as bs is to keep it secret.

    I certainly wouldn’t wager any money on you being wrong!

    The question then becomes…..what do they do to keep the act going? How many times can they resole those tap shoes??

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    Egipcios March 17, 2014 at 10:23 pm #

    CarlOrcas: This story is percolating and will boil over in due time.

    “Any day now”

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    Benji Franklin March 17, 2014 at 10:32 pm #

    Reality Check: What evidence? So far there is nothing that would lead a reasonable person to believe that Zullo has any evidence at all.

    Because the activist strain of the self-deluding disease Birtheritis, is most easily diagnosed by the seemingly total immersion in lunacy suffered by those who allow themselves to become and remain infected, collective realistic self-assessment of the efficacy of Bitherism (or the legitimacy of any of its popular conclusory Obama-condemning allegations) by Birthers themselves, is not likely to happen spontaneously, or in reaction to accurate statements, like yours above.

    With classic denialist bunker-mentality, Birthers shake off the reality of their movement’s complete lack of traction by fantasizing that the initiative’s thousands of incremental failures are a sure sign that their inevitable ultimate triumph WILL BE ABSOLUTELY COMPLETE! And that it will include a day of reckoning that will severely punish anyone who opposed them, with Obots being ushered to the scaffolds first, right after Obama!

    It takes a prolonged encounter with people this whacked, to make us realize that we have self-indulgently in the past used words like “crazy” far too carelessly to routinely and casually label people with whom we disagree to a significant degree, and consequently, those words don’t immediately convey the malevolent extent to which the admittedly diffuse Birther mob nevertheless represents a cognizable collective madness capable of incubating an assassin who might otherwise evaporate in isolation.

    I’m sure many others here join me in thanking you, RC, for the extra effort you have made, along with Doc, Loren, and others, to remain on guard online to challenge the silly but poisonous message of Birtherism.

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    CarlOrcas March 17, 2014 at 11:09 pm #

    Egipcios: “Any day now”

    LOL!! But Doc is doing his part to turn up the heat.

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    Commander Publius March 17, 2014 at 11:10 pm #

    CarlOrcas: The question then becomes…..what do they do to keep the act going? How many times can they resole those tap shoes??

    Theoretically, as many times as they want. Once you have the suckers hooked, they’re hooked.

    There’s a practical limit, though. At this point, it’s hard to get any new rabid converts to birtherism. And i’m sure the current converts are slowly declining through attrition of various kinds. So it becomes a matter of, you keep it going as long as you can suck enough benefit out of it to make it worthwhile.

    And the benefit’s not just monetary. I would think some of the promoters get a sense of self-importance out of being the big guy fighting the great quixotic battle against the usurping blah, blah, blah.

    And for a few of the loony true believers, of course, the benefit may be in the sense of hope (okay, false hope, but hope) they get reinforced with. They’re going to succeed… any day now! Just wait until March! It’ll be universe-shattering!

    Never mind that none of the birthers, including the CCP, have managed to shatter so much as a light bulb so far.

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    Rickey March 18, 2014 at 12:02 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Were you aware of any evidence that Zullo had to support this claim, and that Hawaii was a hotbed of vital statistics fraud? He also said at an earlier time that he had examples of individuals born around the time of Obama whose births appeared in Honolulu newspaper birth announcements, but were not actually born in Hawaii. Did you see or know any evidence of this?

    Even if true, I don’t know how Zullo could possibly know it. The birth announcements in the newspapers don’t list the names of the newborns, only the names of the parents. Zullo would have had to track down the parents and ask them where their children were born.

    If I had proof that there were birth announcements for children who weren’t born in Hawaii, I would have released it long ago.

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 18, 2014 at 12:05 am #

    Oh, I don’t doubt that Zullo has evidence. He’s got his Verna K. Lee interview. He’s got his Reed Hayes report. His affidavit had 207 points on it. He’s got plenty of evidence, but so far it’s all crap, and a reasonable person might expect the rest of it to be crap. As long as has his evidence evades scrutiny, he can make it sound as great as he wants to the birthers.

    Reality Check: What evidence? So far there is nothing that would lead a reasonable person to believe that Zullo has any evidence at all.

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    CarlOrcas March 18, 2014 at 1:04 am #

    Commander Publius: Never mind that none of the birthers, including the CCP, have managed to shatter so much as a light bulb so far.

    And they never will!

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    Egipcios March 18, 2014 at 1:30 am #

    CarlOrcas: LOL!! But Doc is doing his part to turn up the heat

    I hope that Doc is prepared for the EVIL he is facing. At the time of my legal entanglement with Mr. Arpaio, I had not met Mr. Arpaio, and had never acted or spoken against him or about him in any way. I knew who he was, but not much else. I had NEVER publicly expressed an opinion about Mr. Arpaio, not by e-mail, blog post, or any other means. I had not (and have not) been in Arizona or within hundreds of miles of his jurisdiction. I did not personally know anyone who was in any sort of dispute with Mr. Arpaio.

    However, one day, I surfed to a website for a small newspaper that was publishing articles critical of Mr. Arpaio. Shortly afterward, Mr. Arpaio went to court and demanded the IP addresses of persons who had MERELY ACCESSED the article.

    Don’t think you have to take my word for this. It was several years ago, and the information should still be out there.

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    CarlOrcas March 18, 2014 at 1:51 am #

    Egipcios: However, one day, I surfed to a website for a small newspaper that was publishing articles critical of Mr. Arpaio. Shortly afterward, Mr. Arpaio went to court and demanded the IP addresses of persons who had MERELY ACCESSED the article.

    I don’t know what your “legal entanglement” with Arpaio was but I suspect the incident you are talking about involved the New Times, the alternative newspaper in Phoenix, a few years ago.

    They had been tangling with the sheriff since shortly after he took office in the 1990’s and the effort to stifle the paper ended up with the midnight arrests of the owners on trumped up charges. The effort cost the county attorney and his assistant their law licenses and Maricopa County millions of dollars in damages.

    I doubt it was precipitated by your visit to the New Times website.

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    bgansel9 March 18, 2014 at 2:07 am #

    Commander Publius: There’s a practical limit, though. At this point, it’s hard to get any new rabid converts to birtherism. And i’m sure the current converts are slowly declining through attrition of various kinds.

    When John starts questioning his fantasies, I’ll believe that.

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    Egipcios March 18, 2014 at 2:24 am #

    CarlOrcas: I doubt it was precipitated by your visit to the New Times website.

    I did not say anything about the New Times. That is your construction.

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    CarlOrcas March 18, 2014 at 2:37 am #

    Egipcios: I did not say anything about the New Times.That is your construction.

    Okay. Then what “small newspaper” was it?

    Either way….the New Times or an unknown “small newspaper” the chances of your visit precipitating what happened (unless you’re saying there were two tries at finding out readers names and IP addresses) strikes me as pretty remote.

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    bgansel9 March 18, 2014 at 2:41 am #

    The only small newspaper that takes on Joe Arpaio (and is pretty famous for it) is the Phoenix New Times.

    I can’t say that I have read the Jewish News of Greater Phoenix all that much, so maybe it’s that one.

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    Commander Publius March 18, 2014 at 3:47 am #

    bgansel9: When John starts questioning his fantasies, I’ll believe that.

    john’s one of the diehards who won’t ever give up the birther dream. He fits nicely into my earlier comment of “Once you have the suckers hooked, they’re hooked.”

    But there are others beside him who will eventually drift away.

    Heck, some of them may be old geezers who fall away because of ill health, etc.

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    Keith March 18, 2014 at 7:13 am #

    CarlOrcas: No.

    May be ‘sue’ is not the right word, but in some cases they can “bring an action in Superior Court”. I haven’t heard of that part being ruled unconstitutional.

    Arizona SB 1070:

    Sec. 2. Title 11, chapter 7, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by adding article 8, to read:

    ARTICLE 8. ENFORCEMENT OF IMMIGRATION LAWS
    11-1051. Cooperation and assistance in enforcement of immigration laws; indemnification

    G. A PERSON MAY BRING AN ACTION IN SUPERIOR COURT TO CHALLENGE ANY OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ADOPTS OR IMPLEMENTS A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW. IF THERE IS A JUDICIAL FINDING THAT AN ENTITY HAS VIOLATED THIS SECTION, THE COURT SHALL ORDER ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:

    1. THAT THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT THE ACTION RECOVER COURT COSTS AND ATTORNEY FEES.

    2. THAT THE ENTITY PAY A CIVIL PENALTY OF NOT LESS THAN ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS AND NOT MORE THAN FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR EACH DAY THAT THE POLICY HAS REMAINED IN EFFECT AFTER THE FILING OF AN ACTION PURSUANT TO THIS SUBSECTION.

    I cut and pasted that from the actual law at http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf and edited out line numbers for readability.

    Yes, I know, the provision relates to enforcement of Federal Immigration Law, not Federal Internal Revenue Law. Furthermore, I know that we are discussing IRS rules.

    Never-the-less, I purposely asked an ‘open’ question in order to draw the comparison and point out the hypocrisy in Arizona law. I believe the correct answer to my question is ‘yes’, (but only, of course, if ‘an action in Superior Court’ brought by a ‘person’ is included in the definition of a ‘law suit’).

  28. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 18, 2014 at 7:23 am #

    I don’t know what kind of “EVIL” you could be talking about. Sheriff Joe, whatever his bad intentions, has no jurisdiction outside Arizona, nor have I given him grounds for a lawsuit.

    Egipcios: I hope that Doc is prepared for the EVIL he is facing. At the time of my legal entanglement with Mr. Arpaio, I had not met Mr. Arpaio, and had never acted or spoken against him or about him in any way.

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    CarlOrcas March 18, 2014 at 12:13 pm #

    Keith: Yes, I know, the provision relates to enforcement of Federal Immigration Law, not Federal Internal Revenue Law. Furthermore, I know that we are discussing IRS rules.

    Never-the-less, I purposely asked an ‘open’ question in order to draw the comparison and point out the hypocrisy in Arizona law. I believe the correct answer to my question is ‘yes’, (but only, of course, if ‘an action in Superior Court’ brought by a ‘person’ is included in the definition of a ‘law suit’).

    Whew!!!

    Police officers still can’t be sued for not enforcing laws. They have discretion to enforce, arrest or cite and they use it all the time.

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    The European March 18, 2014 at 1:32 pm #

    Egipcios: I did not say anything about the New Times.That is your construction.

    So you – the “Egyptian” – are in reality the Sphinx who will strangle us if we have no answer to your riddles ?

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    Commander Publius March 18, 2014 at 1:41 pm #

    The European: So you – the “Egyptian” – are in reality the Sphinx who will strangle us if we have no answer to your riddles ?

    What’s the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

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    BatGuano March 18, 2014 at 1:58 pm #

    african or european?

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    Rickey March 18, 2014 at 2:08 pm #

    The European: So you– the “Egyptian” – are in reality the Sphinx who will strangle us if we have no answer to your riddles ?

    If it wasn’t the Phoenix New Times, I can’t imagine what else it could be.

    In July 2004, the New Times had published Arpaio’s home address in the context of a story about his real estate dealings, which the County Attorney’s office was investigating as a possible crime under Arizona state law. A special prosecutor served Village Voice Media with a subpoena ordering it to produce “all documents” related to the original real estate article, as well as “all Internet web site traffic information” to a number of articles that mentioned Arpaio. The prosecutor further ordered Village Voice Media to produce the IP addresses of all visitors to the Phoenix New Times website since January 1, 2004, as well as which websites those readers had been to prior to visiting. As an act of “civil disobedience”, Lacey and Larkin published the contents of the subpoena on or around October 18, which resulted in their arrests the same day. On the following day, the county attorney dropped the case after declining to pursue charges against the two. The special prosecutor’s subpoena included a demand for the names of all people who had read the Arpaio story on the newspaper’s website. It was the revealing of the subpoena information by the New Times which led to the arrests. Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas dropped the charges less than 24 hours after the two were arrested.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_New_Times

    If that is what Egipcios is referring to, it appears that Arpaio never got the IP addresses he was seeking.

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    BatGuano March 18, 2014 at 2:15 pm #

    thanks doc and brian. this has become a fascinating chapter in the birther comedy. if brian is still answering questions i have a few:

    zullo claimed that he contacted over 200 (213?) digital forensics experts before reed hayes and each declined to inspect the LFBC PDF ( zullo implied it was out of fear ).

    * did zullo contact that many digital forensics experts?

    * did he contact any that you know of?

    * if so had any previously been used by MCSO on other cases?

    * do you know what the actual reasons were that they refused to inspect the LFBC PDF?

    and one final question on a different topic:

    * have you ever discussed the “cold case posse” investigation with actual MCSO deputies and, if so, what is their input/opinion?

  35. avatar
    Jim March 18, 2014 at 3:31 pm #

    Thank you Mr Reilly. I appreciate your time and effort and I hope we can finally get this faux investigation finished and not let Mr Zullo continue to scam the citizens of Arizona.

  36. avatar
    Commander Publius March 18, 2014 at 3:34 pm #

    BatGuano: african or european?

    I’m not prepared to answer that — GAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!

  37. avatar
    Commander Publius March 18, 2014 at 3:36 pm #

    On a more serious note, I’d like to thank Brian Reilly again for bringing the truth to light, and for his patience in answering so many questions.

    It has truly been both jaw-dropping and illuminating.

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    Reality Check March 18, 2014 at 3:44 pm #

    I certainly agree. The fact that the sites like Birther Report, Post & Email and Volin and Gallups’ radio shows have completely ignored Brian Reilly’s information suggests that they do not want to address it.

    Commander Publius:
    On a more serious note, I’d like to thank Brian Reilly again for bringing the truth to light, and for his patience in answering so many questions.

    It has truly been both jaw-dropping and illuminating.

  39. avatar
    Commander Publius March 18, 2014 at 4:21 pm #

    Someone ought to call it in to Gallups’ show, and also mention it on the other sites. :-)

  40. avatar
    BatGuano March 18, 2014 at 4:31 pm #

    Commander Publius: I’m not prepared to answer that……

    ” it is of no concern “

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    Reality Check March 18, 2014 at 5:01 pm #

    Gallups call screening has tightened up considerably since Foggy was able to get through.

    Commander Publius:
    Someone ought to call it in to Gallups’ show, and also mention it on the other sites.

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    The European March 18, 2014 at 5:28 pm #

    Several participants – especially the very stern Sterngard Friegen – have questioned Mr. Reilly´s statement that he lost his family´s health care because of “Obamacare”. Mr. Reilly has not reacted. Will we get an answer ?

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    Reality Check March 18, 2014 at 5:54 pm #

    I thank Mr. Reilly for answering my question in his most recent email. I would agree with comments that Doc and Mr. Reilly made about “evidence” in that Zullo has some things we have not seen such as a (possible) recorded interview with Verna Lee (in her 90s) and Reed Hayes analysis. Also, Zullo has claimed to have the actual Hawaii code manual from 1961. It was obviously not the one he displayed in the video at the July 17, 2012 press conference.

    Every one of those items should be made public since it is obvious that as a criminal investigation whatever there was, if anything, is over.

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    Notorial Dissent March 18, 2014 at 8:04 pm #

    The thing, of course, is that contrary to the stories the Klown Prince and Shurf Joe put forth, there never was and never could be any kind of investigation, for the very simple simple and vital reason that Zullo the Klown was not, and is not any kind of legally recognized member of law enforcement. He, and the Klown Possee, are nothing but civilians with jumped up, pretend titles, that mean less than nothing in the real world. They DO NOT have the backing of the state, the county, or in reality even the sheriff. It would appear, that as far as the County Attorney is concerned they, and by definition their efforts, are a complete and totally useless joke, and that they would have no more standing in and before a court than any other private citizen. The Klown Posse is nothing but a social group, and has no more legal standing than that.

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    Keith (not logged on) March 18, 2014 at 8:10 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Whew!!!

    Police officers still can’t be sued for not enforcing laws. They have discretion to enforce, arrest or cite and they use it all the time.

    Sure.

    And a sheriff is an elected official. The provision is aimed directly at sheriffs and police chiefs (especially those of Pima County and Tucson) who might take upon themselves to prioritze immigration enforcement somewhere below setting up stings on kids smoking behind the bustops after school.

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    RanTalbott March 18, 2014 at 8:15 pm #

    BatGuano: zullo claimed that he contacted over 200 (213?) digital forensics experts before reed hayes and each declined to inspect the LFBC PDF ( zullo implied it was out of fear ).

    It was 212: I quote it often, and occasionally refer to Hayes as “lucky number 213″ so I’m sure of that. And he used a broader term than “digital forensics experts”, like “document experts”. Or maybe “certified document examiners”: I recall getting the impression that he had simply cold-called everyone in some professional society’s membership directory. But that was just my inference, not anything that he explicitly said.

    But he did explicitly say that they had “given up” on finding an expert, and that Hayes had unexpectedly come to him. Not that he had contacted Hayes and finally found someone. I can’t offer a credible guess about Hayes’ motivations: could be political, could be a desire for publicity for his business, could be that he actually knows some corrupt Hawaii official and suspected that DOH could be in on some conspiracy. But it’s worth remembering, if Zullo ever releases the daffydavit, that Hayes was not hired in the usual way that one brings in “independent outside experts”.

    BatGuano: do you know what the actual reasons were that they refused to inspect the LFBC PDF?

    There’d be a large mixed bag of reasons for the turn-downs: undoubtedly, some were technical (like the experts who told Irey that examining the PDF with a microscope was nuts), some business-related (just too busy, or don’t want their firm associated with a “political issue”), and probably even a few political (don’t want to be seen “undermining” a President they liked).

    But I doubt you’ll find any who passed because they thought some fanatical Obot was going to shoot them with the S3kr1t CIA Heart Attack gun.

    Oh, and I think what Zullo said was that they were looking for someone to “review their work”, or somesuch. Not to act as a narrow technical specialist and provide input that would be a portion of the final report. But I’m not certain of that recollection.

    If you want to try to find the source, Zullo gave the answers I discussed in a sit-down video interview (probably with the Western Center for the Mockery of Journalism) last year. He may also have discussed them in one of his talk radio appearances, but I avoid listening to those, so you can narrow the search considerably.

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    CarlOrcas March 18, 2014 at 8:22 pm #

    Keith (not logged on): Sure.

    And a sheriff is an elected official. The provision is aimed directly at sheriffs and police chiefs (especially those of Pima County and Tucson) who might take upon themselves to prioritze immigration enforcement somewhere below setting up stings on kids smoking behind the bustops after school.

    I’m not sure the provision didn’t go south with the rest of the law but, just in case, you keep watching and let us know when a sheriff or police chief is successfully sued for it.

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    Reality Check March 18, 2014 at 8:56 pm #

    One more bit of follow up on my last question to Brian Reilly. He said

    Again, it’s time to call the CCP’s bluff.

    .
    I think we have been doing that since the CCP was formed and especially since the first press conference. I invited Zullo on RC Radio and he first accepted but then declined after talking to Corsi. Frank Arduini offered to debate Mark Gillar (not a Posse member but another Zullo sycophant) and he at first accepted then backed out with the lame excuse that Zullo was afraid he would blab something they didn’t want out. Both Foggy and I have offered to appear with Mike Volin but again Zullo interceded.

    Since Zullo’s first affidavit was destroyed by Frank Arduini and we came forth with the proof that the LFBC PDF originated on a Xerox WorkCentre Zullo has become even more secretive. Mike Zullo is running a scam and the last thing he wants is to let anyone to be able to peek behind the curtain. I am glad you figured that out fairly early and had the integrity to leave.

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    Keith March 18, 2014 at 9:23 pm #

    CarlOrcas: I’m not sure the provision didn’t go south with the rest of the law but, just in case, you keep watching and let us know when a sheriff or police chief is successfully sued for it.

    Did the whole thing get canned? Excellent! I missed that, thanks for the correction.

    However, I understand that there have been many (several maybe?) arrests under 1070. That doesn’t support the idea that the law has ‘gone south’.

    I also don’t expect that anyone will ever be sued for lack of enforcement either. My expectations don’t change the fact that it is on the books (or not), and it doesn’t change my disappointment that Arpaio can’t be sued ‘by any person’ for not enforcing the IRS reporting rules on his Posse.

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    CarlOrcas March 18, 2014 at 9:50 pm #

    Keith: Did the whole thing get canned?

    No. Just most of it…..about two years ago.

    http://www.scotusblog.com/2012/06/courts-strikes-down-much-of-arizona-immigration-law/

    http://www.scotusblog.com/2012/06/s-b-1070-in-plain-english/

    Keith: My expectations don’t change the fact that it is on the books (or not), and it doesn’t change my disappointment that Arpaio can’t be sued ‘by any person’ for not enforcing the IRS reporting rules on his Posse.

    It’s not “his Posse”. It’s a private non-profit corporation.

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    Commander Publius March 18, 2014 at 10:44 pm #

    Reality Check: Gallups call screening has tightened up considerably since Foggy was able to get through.

    Ah, we can’t let the suckers be exposed to the truth, now can we?

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    Commander Publius March 18, 2014 at 10:46 pm #

    Reality Check: Every one of those items should be made public since it is obvious that as a criminal investigation whatever there was, if anything, is over.

    I don’t think there was ever an investigation, let alone a criminal one.

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    Commander Publius March 18, 2014 at 10:54 pm #

    I think there would have been an investigation, if Brian Reilly had been in charge. But he wasn’t.

  54. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 18, 2014 at 11:41 pm #

    I think the investigation was criminal.

    Commander Publius: I don’t think there was ever an investigation, let alone a criminal one.

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 18, 2014 at 11:44 pm #

    I offered too.

    Reality Check: Both Foggy and I have offered to appear with Mike Volin but again Zullo interceded.

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    CarlOrcas March 19, 2014 at 1:59 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I think the investigation was criminal.

    Amen!

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    Reality Check March 19, 2014 at 5:42 am #

    I forgot that. Yes you did.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I offered too.

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    Keith March 19, 2014 at 6:09 am #

    CarlOrcas: It’s not “his Posse”. It’s a private non-profit corporation.

    Yes. From that point of view, it is a bad choice of words on my part, I suppose. I do have a vague understanding that are at ‘arms length’.

    However, he controls the tasks they are assigned (like the investimigation thingy), and gives ‘em their badges, and their guvamint gas keys, and authorizes their cars to carry guvamint plates and stuff like that.

    I think there is a pretty good argument that the MC Sheriff ‘controls’ the various Posses and that the MC Sheriff instigated their creation.

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 19, 2014 at 7:49 am #

    He could take away the gas key, but beyond that the Posse can do whatever it wants, according to its articles of incorporation.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/CCP-Articles.pdf

    Keith: However, he controls the tasks they are assigned (like the investimigation thingy), and gives ‘em their badges, and their guvamint gas keys, and authorizes their cars to carry guvamint plates and stuff like that.

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    CarlOrcas March 19, 2014 at 8:53 am #

    Keith: However, he controls the tasks they are assigned (like the investimigation thingy), and gives ‘em their badges, and their guvamint gas keys, and authorizes their cars to carry guvamint plates and stuff like that.

    Arpaio has no control over government plates. They are issued by the State of Arizona.

    The cars are owned by the Cold Case Posse and should not have fee exempt government plates. They should have also been stripped of their police equipment before they were sold as surplus.

    The gas card is another problem as all the other posses pay their own expenses….including gas and insurance.

    Keith: I think there is a pretty good argument that the MC Sheriff ‘controls’ the various Posses and that the MC Sheriff instigated their creation.

    You have just fallen in the same trap as many Maricopa County voters by assuming things that aren’t, as they say, in evidence.

    Virtually all the posses predate Arpaio’s tenure by decades. The exception is the Cold Case Posse.

    I have examined the articles of incorporation of many and not a one says the organization is controlled by the Sheriff…..quite the opposite in fact.

    The antics of the Cold Case Posse have brought to light the contradictions and conflicts in the system that we have been discussing here and will, hopefully, result in the whole operation being examined and cleaned up.

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    Commander Publius March 19, 2014 at 3:09 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I think the investigation was criminal.

    Certainly in the figurative sense, and possibly even in the literal sense as well, given that a few laws relating to proper administration of non-profit organizations may have been violated.