Former Cold Case Posse member responds to reader questions
A number of you have commented with questions about the article, “Banned ‘Birther’ Breaks the BR Censorship Barrier” by Brian Reilly. Brian has sent me answers to various comments, and I am including them following. His comments are in italics:
“Thank you Mr. Reilly for pulling the curtain back and exposing the foolishness.”
You’re very welcome.
“Mr. Reilly, if you are available to answer questions, what inferences would you make from the contrast between how Zullo conducts himself and how Dr. C. conducts himself? And in the contrast between the access he has given you here, and the cold shoulder you’ve got from birther sites?”
Regarding the first question: I am very impressed with Mr. Davidson. He appears to seek the truth. He appears to be fair. He has excellent research skills. He would have been an asset for the Cold Case Posse.
Regarding the second question: The access given to me by his site is like a breath of fresh air. Unless the birther script is followed, one is not welcome on the their sites, for the most part.
“It speaks well of you that you were ultimately able to accept facts that contradicted your beliefs about President Obama being ineligible.”
Thank you. My main concern was the authenticity of the long form birth certificate. “Eligibility” was added by others when the project was hijacked by hardcore birthers.
“Question: Do you know of a single cold case that the Cold Case Posse has actually investigated, and/or helped to solve?”
“As a devout Tea Partyer – surely you wouldn’t support taking these funds from the citizens to advance your own politics, right?”
I am not a member of any Tea Party. I resigned from the board of the Surprise Tea Party Patriots and the Tea Party in June of 2012. The so-called investigation was operating on donations from the the public. I was told by Sheriff Arpaio that tax payer funds would not be used. I believed him. The Crown Vics were owned by the Cold Case Posse, a non-profit Arizona corporation, and yes they had government plates.
“The only question I would have at this time would be, did Zullo and the MCCCP ever really do any serious investigation, or was it merely a matter of copying what someone else had done, or simply taking what they said as gospel?”
In my opinion it was not an investigation. Thank you for your kind remarks.
“Okay….here are some questions for Mr. Reilly:
1 – How many members are there on the Cold Case Posse?
2 – How many were actively involved in the Obama investigation?
3 – Did the posse investigate any other cold cases that you are aware of?
4 – Who maintained the case files on the Obama investigation?
5 – Was a MCSO DR (case) number assigned to the investigation?
6 – How were your out-of-pocket travel expenses paid or reimbursed?
1. I don’t know.
2. Five were involved in what is called an investigation.
3. I’m unaware of any other investigations done by the Cold Case Posse.
4. The files were maintained by Commander Mike Zullo. It is his work product.
5. I am unaware of any MCSO DR (case) number. The non-profit CCP Inc. was doing the investigation, not the MCSO.
6. My expenses were paid by Commander Zullo by credit/debit card.
“Congratulations Mr. Reilly.”
“Who gets custody of the forgery?”
Is there a forgery? How would you know?
“Bryan – Just wanted to say ‘Thanks’ and that I know this must have been tough for you. ”
Thank you. Yes, it has been difficult.
“Not to answer for Mr. Reilly, but when trying to research any activity by the CCP prior to the birth certificate investigation I was unable to find any evidence that they had ever investigated any cold case.”
I was told by Commander Zullo, that until they had been assigned the BC investigation, they hadn’t done much of anything. They also lacked funds. You may find this very difficult to believe (as did I), but Commander Zullo informed me that the CCP was used as bar bouncers for taverns and paid less than $10 per hour per person. The car that I was assigned was used on those details and exhibited extensive paint damage. Commander Zullo told me that the damage was from throwing people against the car during tavern details.
“Next question would be who is paying the insurance?”
I added the CCP Crown Vic to my personal auto insurance to make sure I had coverage.
“Does the money to cover these items come from donations or is it coming out of MCSO coffers?”
In theory, the money is supposed to come from donations, not tax dollars.”
“Was there ever mention of which, if any, [actual] Maricopa County ordinance was allegedly violated to prompt an investigation? If yes, please cite the ordinance.”
The petition that I wrote to Sheriff Arpaio requested that he investigate the PDF copy of the Obama birth certificate to determine whether there was a criminal violation of Arizona Revised Statute 13-2407 A-C, which declares that tampering with a public record is a class 6 felony. My petition had nothing to do with the eligibility of President Obama. My idea was then hijacked by hardcore Tea Party types and “eligibility” was later brought into the equation by Dr. Corsi’s letter, written for the Surprise Tea Party Patriots requesting an investigation. Yes, I signed the letter, but I believed that the eligibility issue was dead on arrival.
“I think it’s time for the Cold Case Posse to make its finances public.”
I very much agree. The following is taken from The Sheriff’s Posse of Sun City West, AZ (Maricopa County) solicitation for donations:
” Your donations fund our cars, fuel and insurance; you fund the cost associated with maintaining our Posse offices. Every time we make a copy, turn on the lights, or fire up the coffee maker–we know we owe it all to You. We do our part by being a 100% volunteer organization with no Federal, State or local government support, but You make our existence possible. We are grateful for every tax deductible dollar You contribute…..This is YOUR Posse….[I]t is our honor to serve you. Captain Don Sampson, Commander”
Does this sound like an example being followed by the Cold Case Posse?
“These vehicles will be used by posse volunteers for prisoner transports and off duty jail wagon details.
It doesn’t make sense: Why would the Cold Case Posse be doing prisoner transports and what the hell is an “off duty jail wagon detail”?”
It makes perfect sense if the Cold Case Posse was transporting people from taverns to the MCSO jail, doesn’t it? That was their function, I was told by Commander Zullo, prior to investigating the birth certificate of the President of the United States.
Re: Reilly debunking the alleged Breitbart call to Sheriff Arpaio.
Thank you for your thoughtful comments.
“The actions were motivated by more than mere curiosity or desire to clarify, they were motivated by fear and distaste for “the other” a refusal to accept the legal and constitutionally binding election results and more than a little bigotry.”
My motivation was to determine if under Arizona Revised Statutes, the PDF represented a forgery or tampering with a public record, a class 6 felony in Arizona. Congress had no interest then. Congress still has no interest. The Hawaii Verification of Birth answered my question. Many others who are still arguing “eligibility” will have to speak about their own motivations. Thanks for your “Qualified kudos.”
Dr. Conspiracy :
“While Brian Reilly might be an interesting fellow to get to know, he hasn’t sided with me or joined me in an any way.”
I do appreciate you allowing me to speak freely on your website and I also appreciate your desire to seek the truth.
Dr. Conspiracy :
“This is like Patrick Henry switching to the British side,…”
I look at it more like Paul Revere riding through the countryside yelling, “The Red-Coats are coming! The Red-Coats are coming!” and nobody heard his words (at BR). Paul Revere then came riding back with a 1,000 watt amplified speaker system (Dr. Conspiracy website) and finally got the message out to the people.
So that is quite a turnabout Mr. Reilly. When did this occur?
To this day, Sheriff Arpaio and Mike Zullo claim they have “probable cause” that a crime or crimes have been committed. I resigned from the CCP on June 30, 2012. The May , 2012, Verification of Birth gave me answers to my questions. The botched, July 17, 2012 CCP press conference validated my decision to resign. The only thing that could have changed my “turnabout” would be if it were shown that the Verification of Birth was fraudulent. Has the CCP proven that the Verification of Birth document is fraudulent? This is highly doubtful in my opinion. I have been out of the CCP information loop for about 20 months. I have also never seen or read the Reed Hayes’ report, but I’m told it was released to one prominent, outspoken individual in the birther community. Many of the things I’ve done or suggested since I resigned were to try to get the CCP to “put up, or shut up.” I don’t believe they have anything to “put, up.” I believe the Hawaii Verification of Birth is still valid, and it ends the questions about the Obama birth certificate.
“Sort of tells you why you can never have a rational discussion with birfers – they are consumed with hate and rage (and stupidity – don’t forget the stupidity).”
This is a pretty accurate assessment of why I asked Mr. Davidson if I could post my thoughts on his site. I consider his website to be civilized.
“Arpaio said explicitly that he didn’t even bother to read it.
It would be foolish to actually believe that Arpaio had a clue regarding what Zullo was up to.”
Arpaio stated on a Freedom Friday radio broadcast with Carl Gallups that he hadn’t read the Hayes’ report. Arpaio only knows what Commander Zullo tells him. The CCP Inc. was doing the “investigation,” not the Sheriff and his MCSO when I was with the CCP.
“Zullo has said that he considers all the “work product” of the CCP to be his personal property.”
I’ll confirm that.
“Bingo! I think this may be a part of what Reilly was concerned about vis a vis personal liability. Did he say if he was ever an officer or director of the posse?”
You said it very well. No, I was not an officer or director. I was also told about financial records issues. It was time to get out.
As I have time, I will try to answer more questions about the article that I submitted. I’m sure that my answers posted above will give you additional information to discuss. I want to thank Lupin, Roadburner, RanTalbott, Publius, CarlOrcas and all the others on the Dr. Conspiracy website for their kind words, a forum, and your hospitality. Again, many thanks to Mr. Davidson for this platform.