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Wikipedia was in the forefront of the battle over the Smith birth certificate

I was over at Birther Report last night to see if anyone had picked up on my April Fool’s Takedown, and I came across a comment by RS1 under an article about the new Lucas Smith Oppenheim birth certificate:

Roadburner101 – please note also the british DD/MM/YYYY date format used this time as opposed to the american MM/DD/YYYY date format he used last time – this also means one or the other is fake, so which is it lucas?

Wrong dingbat, OBot Road Rash. We were onto your change “the Kenyan date format” operations way back when. A Dr. CONspiracy BS Ops.

I, and a few others caught OBots in the BS act back in the day. Post from FR. Like this one:
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” “That document is a fraud. The dates on it are American style month/day/year, most other countries including the UK format dates day/month/year.” [ <-- OBot propaganda BS]

[The truth -->] “Without commenting on authenticity of the CPGH BC, I personally researched the Wiki date format by country page in Sept of 2009 and found that Kenya was one of only three countries, IIRC, employing both the European and US style date formats. When I put this information up on the web, the Wiki page was immediately hacked by an Obot named Mystylplx who flagrantly tried to expunge Kenya as showing dual use. A war ensued for months with folks trying to restore the original data and Obots hacking it to cover for Barry without regard to the truth of the original page.

I just checked the page and the dual date format for Kenya has been restored for the moment. Obots never succeeded in removing the color on the global map showing Kenya as a dual format country, which it still show.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_count…
93 posted on Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:37:04 PM by Seizethecarp”

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This CON-job - “Mystylpxl” – - remember this poster OBot bonehead? You DUmbass OBots trying to pull a lying fast one on everyone again.

The essential claim in all of that is that anti-birthers altered the Wikipedia to hide the fact that Kenya uses both the US and British date formatting systems. Did they?

In January of 2011 the Date Formats by Country article was split off from the main Date Formats article. And indeed, when one looks at the Wikipedia history for that main article, as it appeared on February 15, 2009, one finds:

imageThe reference link [74] goes to http://www.communication.go.ke/, a link no longer valid, but that may be familiar to long-time readers here, since that web site is one promoted by Lucas Smith himself as an example of official use of the US date format in Kenya. You can see what it once looked like in my 2011 article, “Date formats in Kenya.” That reference is not a source by Wikipedia standards, because it doesn’t actually say what Kenyan date formats are, only uses them (and apparently in a broken manner). To say that Kenya officially uses US date formatting from this source would be a conclusion of “original research” not allowed on the Wikipedia. I say all of that to conclude that the US date format item in the Wikipedia article was faulty since February of 2009, being unsourced, and as such any Wikipedia editor could have legitimately removed it.

That said, can we blame the original Wikipedia MDY format entry for Kenya on Smith or one of his supporters?

No. Here’s the Wikipedia page from October 28, 2008, where the US date format entry originated. The entry is sourced from a Microsoft page that has since been moved; however, I found the current version, and indeed, it has m/d/yyyy formatting for “Kiswahili (Kenya).” Kiswahili became an official national language in Kenya in 2010. (Of course the Smith Obama certificate is not written in Kiswahili.)

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At the time the editing wars occurred, the Microsoft link had gone bad, along with any hint that the MDY format related to Kiswahili. This whole controversy appears to be just a mistake, exacerbated by web reference pages whose links went bad, and politicized by the birther/anti-birther conflict.

I’ve fixed the Wikipedia.

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21 Responses to Wikipedia was in the forefront of the battle over the Smith birth certificate

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    roadburner April 1, 2014 at 12:20 pm #

    as i pointer out to the birfoons, in 1961 the kenyan beurocracy was british run, and they NEVER used MM/DD/YYYY as well as DD/MM/YYYY as it would cause a complete clusterf*** by mixing the 2!

    it would mean having a list saying `this department uses this date format, and this department uses another´.

    and considering how anal the brits are regarding their beurocracy, it´d be as likely as…well,….oily taint winning a court case.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 1, 2014 at 12:24 pm #

    And I agree 100%. The Kenyan communications site had both date formats on the same page, and you really couldn’t tell what was what. That error appears to be a database setting that was changed without converting data.

    While Kiswahili speakers may use the MDY format, the Coast General Hospital Smith certificate is not written in Kiswahili.

    roadburner: as i pointer out to the birfoons, in 1961 the kenyan beurocracy was british run, and they NEVER used MM/DD/YYYY as well as DD/MM/YYYY as it would cause a complete clusterf*** by mixing the 2!

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    Publius April 1, 2014 at 2:17 pm #

    Kenya was run by the Brits in 1961, and had been since 1895. All official documents would have used British date format. Period. End of story.

    And to claim otherwise is Big Idiotic.

    But that’s what birthers are.

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    RanTalbott April 1, 2014 at 2:19 pm #

    roadburner: as i pointer out to the birfoons, in 1961 the kenyan beurocracy was british run, and they NEVER used MM/DD/YYYY as well as DD/MM/YYYY as it would cause a complete clusterf*** by mixing the 2!

    Boy, does it. I lived in Toronto for a while. It’s a wonderfuly cosmopolitan city (in one neighborhood, I used to get bilingual handbills on my door: Italian on one side, and Greek on the other). But the mix of date formats from so many different cultures could be a nightmare at times: dd/mm/yy, mm/dd/yy, even yy/mm/dd. Plus the same mix, with dashes.

    To this day, I date everything that’s not on a pre-printed form with DDMMMYY, because it was the one format everyone who saw I was writing in English could understand.

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    Suranis April 1, 2014 at 3:56 pm #

    The only exception might be official documents written in Kiswahili. But that does not apply to the POSFBC. The distinction would have beeen obvious to every Kenyan. If English read DDMMYY. If not then MMDDYY. Simples.

    No doubt and as we speak Lickass Smith is ordering a Kiswahili – English dictionary for his next piece of artwork that he will try and flog on Ebay.

    Publius:
    Kenya was run by the Brits in 1961, and had been since 1895. All official documents would have used British date format. Period. End of story.

    And to claim otherwise is Big Idiotic.

    But that’s what birthers are./blockquote>

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    American Mzungu April 1, 2014 at 5:24 pm #

    In Swahili, keeping time is also different. The starting time for counting hours is 6:00 a.m. (“sunrise”)

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    The Magic M April 2, 2014 at 4:17 am #

    roadburner: as i pointer out to the birfoons, in 1961 the kenyan beurocracy was british run, and they NEVER used MM/DD/YYYY as well as DD/MM/YYYY as it would cause a complete clusterf*** by mixing the 2!

    Besides, the whole Wikipedia issue is pretty much pointless since whatever Wikipedia shows is the *current* state and not (necessarily) the one in place in 1961.

    It’s like claiming Germany had 5-digit postal codes in 1961 because Wikipedia has Germany in a list “countries with 5-digit postal codes”. (IIRC they were introduced around 1992, so any document from 1961 that lists, say, “10392 Berlin” instead of “1000 Berlin 45″, would likely be a forgery.)

    But it fits the birther level of “logic”.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 2, 2014 at 8:31 am #

    I have removed the second citation by RS1 because it’s pretty much the same material as the first, and to shorten the article.

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    American Mzungu April 2, 2014 at 10:29 am #

    LDS has posted a new article on his blog claiming that Doc C now admits that both formats are possible in Kenya. He claims that Doc C did not understand that Swahili is an official national language in Kenya. The implication is that either mmddyy or ddmmyy format could have been used on an official document in 1961.

    However, Swahili only became an official national language in Kenya in 2010.

    http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000017118&story_title=kiswahili-becomes-kenya-official-language&pageNo=2

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 2, 2014 at 11:22 am #

    Thanks for the information and the source. I’ve updated the article.

    American Mzungu: However, Swahili only became an official national language in Kenya in 2010.

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    Bonsall Obot April 2, 2014 at 11:50 am #

    Will he update his blog with any documentation that proves he was ever in Kenya though? Plane ticket? Passport? Anything at all?

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 2, 2014 at 11:58 am #

    I think that it is counterproductive to ask for such documentation since there’s no way of verifying it. If he produced these things, it would just be more stuff to argue over.

    Bonsall Obot: Will he update his blog with any documentation that proves he was ever in Kenya though? Plane ticket? Passport? Anything at all?

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    Bonsall Obot April 2, 2014 at 12:31 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I think that it is counterproductive to ask for such documentation since there’s no way of verifying it. If he produced these things, it would just be more stuff to argue over.

    Perhaps; but the fact that he has never even attempted to provide a trivial bit of confirmation when he and his ilk demand so much more confirmation is telling.

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    Reality Check April 2, 2014 at 12:37 pm #

    Lucas is really thin skinned over his forgeries isn’t he? He goofed up on the date format on the POSFKBC and is still trying to defend the error ad nauseum years later..

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    American Mzungu April 2, 2014 at 1:32 pm #

    So it seems, but I think Doc C has really gotten into LDS’s head. It is asymmetrical warfare, however.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 2, 2014 at 2:00 pm #

    American Mzungu:
    So it seems, but I think Doc C has really gotten into LDS’s head.It is asymmetrical warfare, however.

    I liken it to when I’m playing Civ IV, and I’m rolling out WWII Era tanks, and marines, while my toughest opponent still has catapults and swordsmen on horses. …I should really find where that CD got off to.

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    Jim April 2, 2014 at 2:09 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    If he produced these things, it would just be more “meaningless” stuff to argue over.

    FIFY Doc..but that’s basically all the birthers have left…meaningless stuff. And the regulars here have sooooooo much fun debunking. Sounds like a win/win for the anti-birthers.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 2, 2014 at 2:23 pm #

    That wasn’t my intent. I’m just reporting birther news and providing references to facts.

    American Mzungu: So it seems, but I think Doc C has really gotten into LDS’s head.

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    American Mzungu April 2, 2014 at 2:31 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: That wasn’t my intent. I’m just reporting birther news and providing references to facts.

    That’s what makes it so enjoyable to watch—he can’t get you to play his game and it makes him mad.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) April 3, 2014 at 4:13 am #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: while my toughest opponent still has catapults and swordsmen on horses

    Horses and bayonets! ;-)

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    JPotter April 3, 2014 at 10:48 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: I liken it to when I’m playing Civ IV, and I’m rolling out WWII Era tanks, and marines, while my toughest opponent still has catapults and swordsmen on horses.…I should really find where that CD got off to.

    I’ll donate mine if you can’t find it.

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