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The Corsi/WND/Arpaio/Zullo/Montgomery connection

Up until a just a few days ago, I had never heard of Dennis Montgomery, the fellow we’re calling the “Seattle scammer” because according to a 2010 article in Playboy Magazine, he sold fake intelligence information to the CIA for big bucks. He now lives in the Seattle area.

The Phoenix New Times, using confidential sources at the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office, reports that Montgomery has been paid $100,000 and given $50,000 in computer equipment by Arpaio for intelligence information about federal judge G. Murray Snow and Attorney General Eric Holder. (Phoenix New Times Reporter Stephen Lemons will talk about this on a special edition of  Reality Check Radio tonight at 9 PM Eastern.)

I had noted that Douglas Vogt, a birther volunteer expert who supplied information to the Cold Case Posse, lives a scant 8.6 miles (using actual addresses) from Montgomery, and speculated that proximity might account for the connection between Sheriff Arpaio and Dennis Montgomery.

There may be a closer connection. According to multiple sources, Jerome Corsi worked closely with the Cold Case Posse at the beginning, providing most of the information they used. Zullo and Corsi co-authored a book about the CCP investigation, some of which derived from Corsi’s articles at WorldNetDaily. Here’s a photo of Corsi with Mike Zullo, “commander” of the Cold Case Posse at a presentation that included Sheriff Arpaio.

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Now we have to connect the dots. In reading the fascinating exploits of Dennis Montgomery, we come across two other characters, billionaire Tim Blixseth and his wife Edra, in the 2010 Playboy Magazine story about Montgomery. The Blixseths were business partners of Montgomery in a software company venture that included the software algorithms that were used to find non-existent terrorist communications sold to the government.

While I had never heard of Tim Blixseth, Jerome Corsi had. In a June 2012 article at WorldNetDaily under the byline of Joseph Farah, we find:

“I know how Eric Holder and Lanny Breuer operate,” said Mike Flynn, legal counsel for Tim Blixseth, the founder of the Yellowstone Club. Holder and Breuer are protecting Credit Suisse, he charged.

“In my 42 years of trying high-profile cases, I have never seen such corruption,” Flynn said. “The American people need to know what is happening inside the Holder-controlled Justice Department. The fox is now truly guarding the hen house.”

WND has obtained an affidavit signed by Blixseth Feb. 27, in which he alleges a federal task force investigated the case and recommended prosecution.

Jerome Corsi had written his own WND article on Blixseth two days earlier, also accusing Holder of corruption.

So there is a strong connection between Eric Holder corruption allegations, Tim Blixseth, and Jerome Corsi. There is a strong connection between Corsi, Zullo and Arpaio. Now let’s connect the final dots.

A source I have developed, connected to the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office, confirmed to me that around June of 2012, the same month that the WND articles were published, Joe Arpaio, Mike Zullo, and Tim Blixseth met at the Sheriff’s offices on the 19th floor of the Wells Fargo building in Phoenix.

My impression of the Cold Case Posse investigation all along was that it was a WorldNetDaily marketing scheme with Corsi in the lead and Arpaio lending a law enforcement patina to its conspiracy theories. What we’re learning now is that the Arpaio Holder investigation, recently brought to light, might just be more of the same.

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95 Responses to The Corsi/WND/Arpaio/Zullo/Montgomery connection

  1. avatar
    Curious George June 11, 2014 at 3:07 pm #

    That’s a McDonald’s story: “I’m loving it”!
    :)

  2. avatar
    CarlOrcas June 11, 2014 at 3:13 pm #

    What a tangled web………………….

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    Jim June 11, 2014 at 3:49 pm #

    This tells you all you need to know about the birther debunking business… we’re now debunking them BEFORE they even give us anything to debunk! Good story Doc, thanks! :D

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    Bonsall Obot June 11, 2014 at 4:09 pm #

    Jim:

    … we’re now debunking them BEFORE they even give us anything to debunk!

    Only because they’ve actually been debunked so many times (every time) that they’re actually afraid to even try to prove their hypotheses any more. They make ominous statements and threats, but they want to seal their affidavits and copyright their forensic reports because they know if their “evidence” ever sees the light of day, it’ll be shredded in minutes.

    Birfers: doubling down on stupid since 2008.

  5. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 11, 2014 at 4:32 pm #

    Much of the credit goes to some civic-minded souls around Joe Arpaio who have talked to the media about what’s really going on.

    Jim:
    This tells you all you need to know about the birther debunking business… we’re now debunking them BEFORE they even give us anything to debunk!Good story Doc, thanks!:D

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    Reality Check June 11, 2014 at 4:40 pm #

    I second that.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Much of the credit goes to some civic-minded souls around Joe Arpaio who have talked to the media about what’s really going on.

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    J.D. Sue June 11, 2014 at 4:54 pm #

    “I know how Eric Holder and Lanny Breuer operate,” said Mike Flynn, legal counsel for Tim Blixseth, the founder of the Yellowstone Club. Holder and Breuer are protecting Credit Suisse, he charged. “In my 42 years of trying high-profile cases, I have never seen such corruption,” Flynn said.

    —-
    Hmmm. Maybe Flynn hadn’t seen very much in his 40 years of practice. Apparently, Flynn was similarly flabbergasted by a Wachovia loan made to Mr. Blixseth’s estranged wife. From the bankruptcy court’s memorandum of decision (February 25, 2011), In re Yellowstone Mountain Club, LLC, Debtor:

    “Mr. Flynn characterized Ms. Blixseth’s loan with Wachovia as ‘one of the most fraudulent loans in my 40 years of litigating, having represented bank presidents and CEOs and white-collar criminals.’”

    http://www.leagle.com/decision/In%20BCO%2020110225662

    By the way, that memorandum of decision provides a lot of information about Tim Blixseth. Seems that Blixseth is not only a real wheeler-dealer, he also doesn’t hesitate to make Orlyesque accusations against the Judge and Judge’s clerks…

  8. avatar
    The European June 11, 2014 at 5:07 pm #

    Mike Flynn is the guy who bought Montgomery´s house for 20 grand and lets Montgomery use it …..

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    J.D. Sue June 11, 2014 at 5:15 pm #

    Also from the bankruptcy court’s memorandum of decision (February 25, 2011), In re Yellowstone Mountain Club, LLC, Debtor:

    “Mr. Flynn represented that ‘they’ pledged nonexistent technology as collateral for the Wachovia loan. Mr. Flynn then asserts Ms. Blixseth pledged certain noise filtering technology software technology to Wachovia Bank in March of 2008 in violation of a Federal preliminary injunction.”

  10. avatar
    Woodrowfan June 11, 2014 at 5:17 pm #

    do we really need further evidence that Birthers are some of the most gullible people on the face of the earth…

  11. avatar
    mimi June 11, 2014 at 5:25 pm #

    Hoping Doc will call RC’s show tonight. I have to got out, but I’m gonna try to come back early to hear it.

  12. avatar
    Curious George June 11, 2014 at 5:37 pm #

    So this is the calibre of people that Zullo and Arpaio rub elbows with eh?

    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/26/attorneys-ask-for-blixseths-incarceration/

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    Rickey June 11, 2014 at 5:56 pm #

    The European:
    Mike Flynn is the guy who bought Montgomery´s house for 20 grand and lets Montgomery use it …..

    Good catch! I was just about to post that but you beat me to it. So we now know that:

    1. Blixseth met with Arapio in 2012.

    2. Blixseth’s attorney is Mike Flynn

    3. In May, 2013 Flynn demanded an investigation of Eric Holder and others.

    4. Mike Flynn also is Dennis Montgomery’s bankruptcy attorney (we know it is the same Mike Flynn because the address on his May, 2013 letter matches the address on the Quit Claim Deed for Montgomery’s estate).

    5. Mike Flynn bought Montgomery’s $2 million house for $20,000 and Montgomery is still living there.

    6. Montgomery has not denied that he has been working for Arpaio.

    The picture is quickly coming into focus.

  14. avatar
    ASK Esq June 11, 2014 at 6:14 pm #

    You know what else we’ve learned, Doc? We learned that you really DON’T read Playboy for the articles, otherwise you would have heard of Dennis Montgomery back in 2010.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

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    Curious George June 11, 2014 at 6:16 pm #

    Okay, we have Doug Vogt in Somerset ( Bellevue, WA area.) We have Dennis Montgomery in Yarrow Point (Bellevue, WA area.) And Tim Blixseth in Medina (Bellevue, WA area.) Bellevue, WA, what a town !

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    Curious George June 11, 2014 at 6:18 pm #

    Ask esq
    You know what else we’ve learned, Doc? We learned that you really DON’T read Playboy for the articles, otherwise you would have heard of Dennis Montgomery back in 2010.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    What? PLAYBOY has articles? ;-)

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    Suranis June 11, 2014 at 6:18 pm #

    When did Mike Flynn buy that house for 20 grand?

    And could Arpiao conceivably have had any influence on getting that house sold off so cheaply? That’s effectively getting a 2 million dollar debt wined for Montgomery, boosting the effective amount of money that Monty got from this scam by 1000%, theoretically.

    Ho Lee Shite.

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    ASK Esq June 11, 2014 at 6:29 pm #

    Curious George: Okay, we have Doug Vogt in Somerset ( Bellevue, WA area.) We have Dennis Montgomery in Yarrow Point (Bellevue, WA area.) And Tim Blixseth in Medina (Bellevue, WA area.) Bellevue, WA, what a town !

    Of course, some birthers will now claim this is somehow connected to their belief that President Obama was actually born in Washington, which only helps them in that it would mean the Hawaiian BC is, therefore, a fake. But it’s all connected, you see!!!

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    Rickey June 11, 2014 at 6:40 pm #

    I found Montgomery’s bankruptcy case on Pacer.

    Contrary to what the Seattle Weekly News article seems to suggest, Mike Flynn was not Montgomery’s bankruptcy attorney. Mike Flynn was a creditor in Montgomery’s bankruptcy and he represented Montgomery in a prior lawsuit, Montgomery v. eTreppid Technologies, and Flynn claimed that Montgomery owed him $833,223 in unpaid legal fees.

    The filing says that the Yarrow Point property was over encumbered – i.e., liens on the property exceeded the market value. Flynn agreed to assume responsibility for the liens, so the $20,000 purchase price is not as ridiculous as it seemed. The purchase price also included all of Montgomery’s other saleable assets, most of which were deemed to be worthless.

    I haven’t had time to read the entire document, but I saved a copy and can e-mail it to Doc if he wants to post it.

    The document does confirm that Montgomery has connections to both Flynn and Edra Blixseth.

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    Rickey June 11, 2014 at 6:48 pm #

    In case anyone with a Pacer account is interested in looking at Montgomery’s bankruptcy case, it was filed in the Central District of California, Los Angeles Division, and the case number is 2:10-bk-18510-BB. Montgomery also owned over encumbered property in Rancho Mirage.

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    CarlOrcas June 11, 2014 at 6:50 pm #

    Rickey: The filing says that the Yarrow Point property was over encumbered – i.e., liens on the property exceeded the market value. Flynn agreed to assume responsibility for the liens, so the $20,000 purchase price is not as ridiculous as it seemed.

    Now……that makes sense. Thanks for doing the research.

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    Suranis June 11, 2014 at 8:12 pm #

    So it boils down to the circumstances in which Monty is still staying at the house.

  23. avatar
    gorefan June 11, 2014 at 8:20 pm #

    What type of computer equipment cost $50,000?

  24. avatar
    Bonsall Obot June 11, 2014 at 8:32 pm #

    At the risk of posting off-topic: this thread is the quintessence of rationality. It’s a textbook example of the difference in thought processes and discourse between Birfers and normal people.

    Normal Person 1: Here is an anomaly which makes my opponent look bad.
    Normal Person 2: Ah, but here is a reasonable explanation.
    Normal Person 1: Oh, I understand now. Thank you for educating me.
    Normal Person 2: Not at all, Citizen; I’d have hated to see you embarrass yourself by making a false accusation.
    Normal Person 1: Indeed!

    Birfer 1: Hey! An anomaly I don’t understand!
    Birfer 2: if we don’t understand it, it’s a crime!
    Birfer 1: Obama must be Double-Hitler!
    Birfer 2: Yeah! Also, Stalin, too!
    Normal Person: Well, no, you see..
    Birfer 1: Shut up! Faggot!
    Birfer 2: Yeah! Faggot!

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 11, 2014 at 8:39 pm #

    gorefan:
    What type of computer equipment cost $50,000?

    That’s what I wanted to ask what is he building a super computer?

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    Dave June 11, 2014 at 8:57 pm #

    For an individual, it’s hard to spend $50K on computers — but for a small business, it’s no problem. What I don’t get is, what computer equipment did Montgomery get and what story did he tell Arpaio to justify it.

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    bgansel9 June 11, 2014 at 9:53 pm #

    gorefan: What type of computer equipment cost $50,000?

    The super secret type.

    Why are Maricopa County taxpayers paying for this?

  28. avatar
    CarlOrcas June 11, 2014 at 10:23 pm #

    bgansel9: The super secret type.

    Why are Maricopa County taxpayers paying for this?

    Good question. Let’s hope some of them start asking.

  29. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 11, 2014 at 10:57 pm #

    You could put together the hardware for a small software company for $50K. A work group server, router, a few high end workstations, a nice laser printer. Then a few MSDN subscriptions, Maybe some furniture.

    Dave: For an individual, it’s hard to spend $50K on computers — but for a small business, it’s no problem.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 11, 2014 at 11:11 pm #

    I’m not personally interested unless it somehow bears on an Obama conspiracy theory. This just seems to be some unrelated personal business, and I wouldn’t want to host that.

    Rickey: I haven’t had time to read the entire document, but I saved a copy and can e-mail it to Doc if he wants to post it.

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    Rickey June 11, 2014 at 11:48 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I’m not personally interested unless it somehow bears on an Obama conspiracy theory. This just seems to be some unrelated personal business, and I wouldn’t want to host that.

    Okay. It’s only relevant because it clearly establishes and clarifies the attorney-client relationship between Flynn and Montgomery and establishes that there was a financial relationship between Montgomery and Edra Blixseth. You previously established that there was an attorney-client relationship between Flynn and Tim Blixseth, that Flynn accused Eric Holder of corruption, and there was a meeting in Phoenix which was attended by Tim Blixseth, Arpaio and Zullo.

    In other words, Flynn has had an attorney-client relationship with both Tim Blixseth and Dennis Montgomery. Montgomery had a financial relationship with Edra Blixseth. Tim Blixseth has met with Arpaio and Zullo. It therefore seems likely that the New Times story is correct and Montgomery has (or had) a business relationship with Arpaio.

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    Notorial Dissent June 12, 2014 at 2:11 am #

    For $50K I would think you could put together one heck of a computer, or you could just pocket the money and tell your clients you’d spent it all on a super duper fraud finding computer, and they wouldn’t be any the wiser, considering who they were. My bet on what happened by the way.

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    gorefan June 12, 2014 at 2:38 am #

    Notorial Dissent:
    For $50K I would think you could put together one heck of a computer, or you could just pocket the money and tell your clients you’d spent it all on a super duper fraud finding computer.

    According to the newspaper – ” the MCSO made about a $50,000 purchase of computer equipment for Montgomery sometime this year from a store in Washington state.”

    So the next day he returned the equipment for a cash refund or maybe a in-store credit. LOL

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    Keith June 12, 2014 at 2:42 am #

    Rickey: In other words, Flynn has had an attorney-client relationship with both Tim Blixseth and Dennis Montgomery. Montgomery had a financial relationship with Edra Blixseth. Tim Blixseth has met with Arpaio and Zullo. It therefore seems likely that the New Times story is correct and Montgomery has (or had) a business relationship with Arpaio.

    You should review your logic chain for cracks. I don’t have a clue whether Arpaio and Monty have any kind of relationship, business or otherwise, though my preconceived bias wants it to be so.

    Your chain of logic does not does not make the connection.

    Oranges are Fruit
    Apples are Fruit
    Oranges and Apples have pips
    Arpaio ate an Apple
    Therefore Arpaio ate an Orange.
    Burma Shave

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    RanTalbott June 12, 2014 at 4:03 am #

    Notorial Dissent: For $50K I would think you could put together one heck of a computer

    Or score a few high-end all-in-ones maybe even from different manufacturers, to produce “proof” that “even high-end scannders don’t do that”.

    A smart businessperson would do a short-term lease for that, of course. But a smart con man might insist on a purchase, so he would have something he could sell for additional cash when the con was finished.

  36. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 12, 2014 at 7:09 am #

    I haven’t read Playboy in a very long time.

    ASK Esq: Doc? We learned that you really DON’T read Playboy for the articles, otherwise you would have heard of Dennis Montgomery back in 2010.

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    interestedbystander June 12, 2014 at 8:03 am #

    Outstanding work Doc, every little nugget of available info fits the narrative you’ve established perfectly. So it seems the real patsy in all of this was Zullo. For all we know Arpaio knew Montgomery was a skilled conman and was using him in that capacity to forward his agenda with the DOJ, but if so, Zullo wasn’t in on the con. Corsi must have known. I could never understand Zullo’s zeal in promoting the universe shattering meme if he really had nothing and knew it. Whatever it was had him convinced – I have very little doubt this was it. Poor Mikey – how he must be reeling now.

    And where’s John?

  38. avatar
    Comrade Fogovich June 12, 2014 at 8:38 am #

    interestedbystander:
    … where’s John?

    John – James Youngblood on Birther Report – has become completely disillusioned with Zullo and Gallups. He wants a factual debunking of the Xerox evidence, which of course Zullo refuses to provide. He wants to know what’s going on with this new guy Montgomery, and doesn’t believe Gallups when he says he has nothing to do with the universe-shattering evidence. He’s tired of excuses and delays and false promises. He’s tired of being abused by Falcon for asking reasonable questions. Give him another few months, and he’s going to be an Obot for sure.

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    Bonsall Obot June 12, 2014 at 9:10 am #

    Comrade Fogovich:

    Give him another few months, and he’s going to be an Obot for sure.

    I used to think john/Jim might someday drop it, but his deep racism and hatred of Black Hitler only means he wants the various Birfer hypotheses supported and proved; actual analysis of the facts is not on the table. He doesn’t have doubts; he has fears.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) June 12, 2014 at 10:05 am #

    Comrade Fogovich: Give him another few months, and he’s going to be an Obot for sure.

    Did anyone else ever turn, except Squeeky?

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    Bonsall Obot June 12, 2014 at 10:17 am #

    The Magic M (not logged in):

    Did anyone else ever turn, except Squeeky?

    Dies she even count? She was more PUMA than Birfer, in addition to being loony and a narcissist.

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    Lupin June 12, 2014 at 11:05 am #

    interestedbystander: Outstanding work Doc, every little nugget of available info fits the narrative you’ve established perfectly. So it seems the real patsy in all of this was Zullo. For all we know Arpaio knew Montgomery was a skilled conman and was using him in that capacity to forward his agenda with the DOJ, but if so, Zullo wasn’t in on the con. Corsi must have known. I could never understand Zullo’s zeal in promoting the universe shattering meme if he really had nothing and knew it. Whatever it was had him convinced – I have very little doubt this was it. Poor Mikey – how he must be reeling now.

    I couldn’t agree more — kudoes to everyone (especially Doc C) involved in putting all of this together.

    As someone said elsewhere, the contrast with the birthers’ approach to evidence gathering could not be starker. Here is a transparent, socratic approach; over there is free-for-all mudfight.

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    Lupin June 12, 2014 at 11:09 am #

    The figurative noose is tightening around Arpaio’s neck, although my bet is that Sheriff Hogg will survive all this, but Zullo may well end up alligator food — or whatever critters they have in Arizona.

    Meanwhile, on Plan 9 from Birther Report, they still expect Tor, er, Arpaio to be their great white hope (and I do mean white). To call them thick as planks would be an insult to building materials.

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    Rickey June 12, 2014 at 12:42 pm #

    Keith: You should review your logic chain for cracks. I don’t have a clue whether Arpaio and Monty have any kind of relationship, business or otherwise, though my preconceived bias wants it to be so.

    I didn’t say that it has been proven. I said that it is likely that what the New Times reporter was told is accurate.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 12, 2014 at 1:02 pm #

    I had help.

    Lupin: I couldn’t agree more — kudoes to everyone (especially Doc C) involved in putting all of this together.

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    RanTalbott June 12, 2014 at 2:44 pm #

    Lupin: but Zullo may well end up alligator food — or whatever critters they have in Arizona

    Coyotes are the customary bogeybeast in this part of the world.

    Which would be wonderfully ironic, and even a sort of “poetic justice”, considering their role as the “Trickster” in the mythologies of the natives we turfed out.

    Of course, like sharks and lawyers, coyotes might refuse to eat used car salesmen as a matter of “professional courtesy”…

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    Notorial Dissent June 12, 2014 at 3:27 pm #

    I think Ran may be right about where the $50K went, but that is still a lot of money for what could have bene bought and/or rented for a fraction of that, so that is on the Shurf as well.

    I have to agree with the summation on Zullo the Klown, he is the perfect ultimate patsy. He’s dumbern’ a rock, couldn’t investigate himself out of a paperbag, as he’s repeatedly proven, is gullible to the extreme, particularly when his ego is being played to, and is totally credulous, and is stupidity enthusiastic especially when he thinks he has something he really wants. The other thing is that Zullo desperately wants validation, which he thinks he is getting from the Shurf and this exercise in the absurd, and as long as he thinks he is getting that he will go along with whatever ridiculous story someone comes up with as long as it fits “their” agenda. Although right about now, even as dim as he is, he ought to be getting an inkling that he’s been used and had, and it may even be sinking in that he’s the sacrificial turkey of this road show. Maybe, just possibly.

    I’m still really struggling with the Shurf knew that Montgomery was a con man part, I agree that if he was all his flacks would make him out to be he would have and should have, but I just don’t think Ole Joe is that sophisticated, now he may well have recognized a fellow traveler, but I just don’t think it went any further than that. He promised Joe something he wanted, and Joe being Joe, didn’t really care where or how it came about, didn’t want to know, and didn’t look any closer, now that I have no problem believing.

    Corsi I’m having problems with both directions, since he really isn’t a true believer to begin with, and I don’t think he has anything invested in Joe’s vendettas, or survival, and in fact seems to have withdrawn from the scene altogether. I just can’t imagine him getting involved in something that there really isn’t anything in for him, and I just don’t see anything Corsi positive here, and a lot of potential for real harm if he was involved in any kind of provable scam. The only thing Corsi is in it for is Corsi. Corsi has been very lucky over the course of his despicable career, he hasn’t done anything prison worthy, yet, and so has skated by.

    Zullo the Klown may yet make Guanachow if he isn’t careful, and I really don’t think he’s smart enough to have any kind of an exit strategy. Although the Chupacabra is the official scary beast in that part of the world.

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    J.D. Sue June 12, 2014 at 4:10 pm #

    Notorial Dissent: He promised Joe something he wanted, and Joe being Joe, didn’t really care where or how it came about, didn’t want to know, and didn’t look any closer, now that I have no problem believing.

    —–
    Indeed. Joe is old-school, and I expect his talents for manufacturing evidence are a bit dated. A guy like Montgomery seems to have the skills Joe lacks.

    It seems clear, after RC’s radio show, that officers working for Joe told him that Montgomery was a known con man and that Joe didn’t care about that.

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    Thinker June 12, 2014 at 4:48 pm #

    One of the big takeaways I got from last night’s interview with Stephen Lemons is that this is not a birther story. Mike Zullo is a moron and he probably got suckered by Montgomery, but he’s not a patsy. There is barely a birther element to this story, and nobody except a small band of obots cares about that element. Mike Zullo is not a patsy or a fall guy or a sacrificial lamb. His role in this story is very, very minor. He’s just a moron who happened to be in the room (metaphorically speaking) as this Montgomery stuff was taking place.

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    Comrade Fogovich June 12, 2014 at 4:48 pm #

    Notorial Dissent: Corsi I’m having problems with both directions, since he really isn’t a true believer to begin with, and I don’t think he has anything invested in Joe’s vendettas, or survival, and in fact seems to have withdrawn from the scene altogether. I just can’t imagine him getting involved in something that there really isn’t anything in for him, and I just don’t see anything Corsi positive here, and a lot of potential for real harm if he was involved in any kind of provable scam. The only thing Corsi is in it for is Corsi. Corsi has been very lucky over the course of his despicable career, he hasn’t done anything prison worthy, yet, and so has skated by.

    I have a special animus for Corsi since the day he posted a photo of me and my two sons on the front page of WND (although I did extract my revenge, but that’s another story – all I will say is that he has his gullible side, too).

    If I didn’t have that special animus against him, I could almost feel sorry for him. He does, in fact, have a brain. In his early years, he showed great promise. But then he wrote “Unfit For Command” and his career since then has been nothing but smears and conspiracy theories. I think he’s really struggling now.

    His books don’t sell. I doubt Farah pays him anything much. It’s not like he could go out and get a job as a real journalist anywhere else. He’s reduced to occasional appearances on Alex Jones and other wackaloon radio shows. I don’t think he’s had a Tee Vee appearance in like forever.

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy, either. I hope things get worse before they get better.

  51. avatar
    faceman June 12, 2014 at 6:14 pm #

    Are we playing 7 degrees of Dennis Montgomery?

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    RanTalbott June 12, 2014 at 6:24 pm #

    Thinker: There is barely a birther element to this story, and nobody except a small band of obots cares about that element

    Maybe: if, as I suspect, it turns out that the “NSA document” is a fake that Montgomery ginned up for Zullo, it would be a huge blow to the CCP. Possibly even fatal: as a practical matter, it would mean that their response to the Xerox rebuttal is toast. Psychologically, it would expose Zullo as a sucker, which would be devastating among the marks.

    And there’s still a lot of dependence on Arpaio’s cachet to lend credibility to the scam. If it’s established that he went off on another of his vendettas, and he got suckered, or knowingly used a crook to do it, he’d suffer a major loss of face and prestige among the birfers, too.

    Yes, the Obots are the only ones watching now, but that’s definitely subject to rather drastic change without notice.

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    J.D. Sue June 12, 2014 at 6:31 pm #

    Doc, I think the “Whistle Blower”, for whom Attorney Flynn sought immunity from prosecution, is Dennis Montgomery.

    The Mike Flynn Letter to the DOJ (which you linked to) essentially says that the whistle blower is a high-priced hacker who had unlawfully hacked into Tim Blixseth’s and his attorney’s emails. He says the whistle blower also hacked a lot of other “victims” and, thus, has lots of electronic evidence implicating the DOJ and the Judge in Blixseth’s bankruptcy case. The letter says that some of his victims want the whistle blower to have immunity from prosecution, so he can expose the DOJ and Court corruption. It says in part:

    “This Supplemental letter also seeks immunity for the whistleblower named in paragraph 25 hereto. To date, Attorney General Holder and Mr. Breuer, have blocked immunity in order to conceal their participation in the matters recited herein and recited in the May 4, 2012 Letter and Memorandum.

    * * *
    25. Throughout relevant time periods in this matter, a Whistle Blower on behalf of,
    and paid by Edra Blixseth hacked into the computers of Mr. Blixseth and his
    counsel. The hacked information was provided to a laundry list of Mr. Blixseth’s
    “enemies” in a list created by Edra Blixseth. In June, 2012, the Whistle Blower
    severed their relationship. The Whistle Blower informed Mr. Blixseth that he and
    the DOJ had been hacking into Tim’s and Tim’s counsel’s emails; and he and the
    government were wiretapping their phone calls on behalf of Edra and Burkle.
    Edra had paid the Whistle Blower over $6.0M to conduct her requested hacking,
    at the rate of $100,000 per month from April, 2006 through January, 2009 plus
    millions in bonuses. The Whistle Blower and Mr. Blixseth’s counsel have been
    attempting to secure immunity for the Whistle Blower for the past year to blow
    the whistle on this entire matter, but the Holder controlled DOJ has thwarted it at
    the risk of exposing their own corrupt conduct. (See Immunity Proffer and documents sent under separate cover.) In the event The Public Integrity Section
    gives immunity to the Whistle Blower will expose the entire YC scheme, the
    misconduct of Judge Kirscher in connection with very specific electronic
    evidence. . . .”

    Note that the letter says that the Whistle Blower severed his relationship with Edra Blixseth–who allegedly paid him $6 million to hack her estranged husband Tim and his lawyer, etc.–in June 2012. Note also that the letter–dated in May 2013–says they have been trying to get immunity for the Whistle Blower for a year.

    As you’ve shown–June 2012 is a key time….

    Part of my reason for believing the whistle blower hacker is Montgomery, is that Flynn expressly alleged in 2009 that Dennis Montgomery had been hacking his emails. Flynn made this allegation against Montgomery in Flynn’s own litigation against some attorneys who were representing Montgomery,

    https://casetext.com/case/flynn-v-liner-firm#.U5omzPldVQQ.

    .

  54. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 12, 2014 at 6:51 pm #

    So Flynn was Montgomery’s attorney and then Montgomery hacked Flynn and now Flynn is trying to get Montgomery immunity. That’s twisted.

    J.D. Sue: Doc, I think the “Whistle Blower”, for whom Attorney Flynn sought immunity from prosecution, is Dennis Montgomery.

  55. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 12, 2014 at 7:15 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: So Flynn was Montgomery’s attorney and then Montgomery hacked Flynn and now Flynn is trying to get Montgomery immunity. That’s twisted.

    J.D. Sue: Doc, I think the “Whistle Blower”, for whom Attorney Flynn sought immunity from prosecution, is Dennis Montgomery.


    Very twisted, but nonetheless interesting and relevant, IMO.

    And, consider this tweet from Montgomery, regarding a legal practice article that considered whether Flynn had violated his duty to Montgomery (as a client or former client) when he publicly called Montgomery a con man:

    Dennis L Montgomery @NCoder_Dennis · 9 Feb 2013
    What to do, what to do… http://tinyurl.com/Mike-Flynn-JD

    https://twitter.com/NCoder_Dennis

  56. avatar
    Suranis June 12, 2014 at 7:33 pm #

    If that hacking thing is within the same continent of bieng true, what are the implications if Arpiao hired Monty to hack the emails of a federal Judge?

    Even if Monty faked the emails, thats serious right there. And who’s Arpiao’s fall guy if that turns out to be true? Arpiao’s MO is to have a fall guy ready to take all the blame when things go south.

  57. avatar
    Comrade Fogovich June 12, 2014 at 8:29 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    That’s twisted.

    We’re talking about some twisted people. If that Twitter account is real, Montgomery is using his mug shot photo as his profile picture? That’s kind of twisted all by itself.

  58. avatar
    Rickey June 12, 2014 at 9:19 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    So Flynn was Montgomery’s attorney and then Montgomery hacked Flynn and now Flynn is trying to get Montgomery immunity. That’s twisted.

    Plus Montgomery is living in Flynn’s house.

  59. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 12, 2014 at 9:32 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: So Flynn was Montgomery’s attorney and then Montgomery hacked Flynn and now Flynn is trying to get Montgomery immunity. That’s twisted.

    J.D. Sue: Doc, I think the “Whistle Blower”, for whom Attorney Flynn sought immunity from prosecution, is Dennis Montgomery.


    Doc, I’m not sure whether you are suggesting that it is too twisted to be plausible. To me, the twisted-ness has nothing to do with plausibility. Of course, whatever Flynn and his clients allege are allegations only. And this cast of characters is not particularly credible, to say the least. But their letters, filings, and related court orders are real and say much.

    Please keep in mind that an attorney-client relationship can take many twists and turns over many years. A client can become a former client, and then a client again. Particularly where the relationship has involved deep secrets and the stakes are high, it would not be unusual for a former client to consult with or make some demands upon the former attorney. It would also not be unusual for an attorney–who once swore-off ever again talking to a particular bad client–to nonetheless give in and help the bad client out of another jam. So, as twisted as the scenario seems, I don’t find it the least implausible.

    Maybe Montgomery approached Tim and said he had the goods on Tim’s ex-wife (whom Tim has accused of destroying him financially, along with the IRS, the banks protected by DOJ, the Court, etc.) and that he would now flip and help Tim–if he could get/keep the Justice Department off Montgomery’s back. If Tim authorized Flynn to help Montgomery, I expect that Flynn would do so.

  60. avatar
    JPotter June 12, 2014 at 10:16 pm #

    Comrade Fogovich: That’s kind of twisted all by itself.

    Nah, generic thug mentality. “Look at how bad I am. Eff The Man.” Yawn.

  61. avatar
    JPotter June 12, 2014 at 10:19 pm #

    Comrade Fogovich: If I didn’t have that special animus against him, I could almost feel sorry for him.

    Heh, don’t forget his blown attempt at a career in finance. He blew that one up pretty good, too! ;)

  62. avatar
    JPotter June 12, 2014 at 10:22 pm #

    Lupin: or whatever critters they have in Arizona.

    Gila bait.

  63. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 12, 2014 at 10:35 pm #

    I wasn’t.

    J.D. Sue: Doc, I’m not sure whether you are suggesting that it is too twisted to be plausible.

  64. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 12, 2014 at 10:38 pm #

    Rickey: Dr. Conspiracy:
    So Flynn was Montgomery’s attorney and then Montgomery hacked Flynn and now Flynn is trying to get Montgomery immunity. That’s twisted.

    Plus Montgomery is living in Flynn’s house.

    ====
    And look at what Wikipedia says on the Dennis L. Montgomery page: “In 2013 his former attorney Michael Flynn purchased all of Montgomery’s bankruptcy-related debts, encumbrances, real estate and other assets. Montgomery is now a witness on behalf of Flynn representing Tim Blixseth against Credit Suisse and others in Blixseth’s bankruptcy.”

  65. avatar
    Keith June 12, 2014 at 11:09 pm #

    RanTalbott: Coyotes are the customary bogeybeast in this part of the world.

    Chupacabra

  66. avatar
    Curious George June 13, 2014 at 2:06 am #

    We mustn’t forget this Zullo tidbit. He’s an unpaid volunteer “working 24/7.” That’s what we thought until Lemons’ article:

    “My sources say Mackiewicz has received, to date, $50,000 in overtime pay and Zullo has gotten about $5,000 in payments.”

    Very, very interesting.

  67. avatar
    The Magic M June 13, 2014 at 5:11 am #

    RanTalbott: Psychologically, it would expose Zullo as a sucker, which would be devastating among the marks.

    Not among birthers because they *want* to believe. They will simply call Montgomery an Obot shill and even double down on their “support Zullo” efforts, because what better proves he’s on the right track than the regime trying to derail him?

  68. avatar
    The European June 13, 2014 at 10:56 am #

    “Flynn further alleges Defendants engaged in these activities in a concerted effort to circumvent Nevada law which permits Flynn to exercise a retaining lien over the client file, to avoid this Court’s jurisdiction to enforce the retaining lien, and to evade this Court’s supervision of state secrets contained within Montgomery’s client file.”

    https://casetext.com/case/flynn-v-liner-firm#.U5omzPldVQQ
    (background)

    This is the second time I read of “state secrets” in this story. A real yarn …

  69. avatar
    Rickey June 13, 2014 at 11:33 am #

    J.D. Sue: ====
    And look at what Wikipedia says on the Dennis L. Montgomery page:“In 2013 his former attorney Michael Flynn purchased all of Montgomery’s bankruptcy-related debts, encumbrances, real estate and other assets. Montgomery is now a witness on behalf of Flynn representing Tim Blixseth against Credit Suisse and others in Blixseth’s bankruptcy.”

    One of the Montgomery assets which was purchased by Flynn was a large collection of documents which Montgomery had in a storage locker. The bankruptcy court deemed them to be worthless, but they may have been worth plenty to Flynn.

  70. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 13, 2014 at 11:57 am #

    JPotter: Comrade Fogovich: That’s kind of twisted all by itself.

    Nah, generic thug mentality. “Look at how bad I am. Eff The Man.” Yawn.

    —-
    I agree.

  71. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 13, 2014 at 11:59 am #

    Rickey: One of the Montgomery assets which was purchased by Flynn was a large collection of documents which Montgomery had in a storage locker. The bankruptcy court deemed them to be worthless, but they may have been worth plenty to Flynn.

    —-
    Indeed. Wow.

  72. avatar
    The European June 13, 2014 at 12:04 pm #

    Where is the poster DSM gone ? He wrote with so much knowledge in the initial thread “Vogt and Montgomery (the other one)” ?

  73. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 13, 2014 at 12:28 pm #

    The European: Where is the poster DSM gone ? He wrote with so much knowledge in the initial thread “Vogt and Montgomery (the other one)” ?

    —-
    Thanks for pointing that out. I just read it and it seems to all hang together…

  74. avatar
    Curious George June 13, 2014 at 12:42 pm #

    The European
    June 13, 2014
    Where is the poster DSM gone ? He wrote with so much knowledge in the initial thread “Vogt and Montgomery (the other one)” ?

    My gut tells me DSM is right on target.

  75. avatar
    Curious George June 13, 2014 at 12:55 pm #

    Speaking about the quiet, silent Mr. Zooooloooow. Now that we know, according to Mr. Lemons’ sources, that Mr. Z is getting paid as an unpaid volunteer, how exactly does that work? Has Mr. Z. been classified as a “confidential informant” in the second investimagination to get paid? If so, wouldn’t that require him not to have loose lips or risk losing CI payments? Maybe that’s why Mr. Z (and Joe Mannix ) are not flapping their gums?

  76. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 13, 2014 at 1:20 pm #

    One of the things Brian Reilly said was that Zullo had told him once that he wanted to find out a way to get Reilly paid. Brian Reilly was somewhat bothered by that and certainly wasn’t looking to get paid. Zullo’s comment, however, lends some credibility to the idea that Zullo was getting paid something somehow by someone.

    It’s certainly possible that somebody, say billionaire Tim Blixsith, was slipping Zullo a few bucks over or under the table, and it is also possible that Arpaio was using his RICO funds to pay Zullo. Maybe Arpaio doesn’t consider that “taxpayer money” since it didn’t come from taxes.

    Curious George: Has Mr. Z. been classified as a “confidential informant” in the second investimagination to get paid?

  77. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 13, 2014 at 1:31 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: One of the things Brian Reilly said was that Zullo had told him once that he wanted to find out a way to get Reilly paid. Brian Reilly was somewhat bothered by that and certainly wasn’t looking to get paid. Zullo’s comment, however, lends some credibility to the idea that Zullo was getting paid something somehow by someone.

    And didn’t Reilly and others also say that Zullo considered himself the “owner” of the investigation’s work product, including the Hayes report?

  78. avatar
    Arthur June 13, 2014 at 1:36 pm #

    Curious George: Where is the poster DSM gone ?

    Must of been Fuddied, or Breitbarted. In the former, you get an underwater poison dart; the latter is a heart attack ray gun on the sidewalk. Of course, there’s a small chance DSM got Colonel Mustarded: candlestick in the library.

  79. avatar
    Bonsall Obot June 13, 2014 at 2:06 pm #

    Makes you long for the days when the junior senator from Illinois actually had to take time out from his campaign for the presidency to murder his own grandmother because she was about to spill the beans. He has staff for that now.

  80. avatar
    Curious George June 13, 2014 at 2:31 pm #

    J. D. Sue,
    “And didn’t Reilly and others also say that Zullo considered himself the “owner” of the investigation’s work product, including the Hayes report? ”
    As I remember it was discussed or written about that Mr. Z had put a copyright on the Hayes’ report. I think Jerome Corsi made the comment that Zullo owned his work product from the CCCP. Spending tax payer dollars during the investimagination to make work product for yourself just doesn’t pass the smell test. Hmmmm.

  81. avatar
    RanTalbott June 13, 2014 at 3:16 pm #

    J.D. Sue: And didn’t Reilly and others also say that Zullo considered himself the “owner” of the investigation’s work product, including the Hayes report?

    Zullo said it, himself, on Free Dumb Friday, about a year ago. He was assuring the sheep that he’d be able to write a Shocking Best-Selling Book™ even if the “VIPs with standing” weren’t able to deliver.

    That was about the time I started arguing that it was proven that his claims of running “an official law enforcement investigation” were a deliberate con, not a delusion, because that ownership is downright illegal, not just “unprofessional”.

  82. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 13, 2014 at 3:30 pm #

    Curious and Ran,

    Ah yes, thanks for reminding me. And I found the Reilly stuff, at http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2014/03/brian-reilly-answers-more-commenter-questions/ :

    “The files were maintained by Commander Mike Zullo. It is his work product.”

    “He told me it was his work product and he did not have to release anything to Arpaio.”

    “Along the same line of thought, once I became aware of the publication of the first Zullo, Corsi e-book with an introduction by Sheriff Arpaio I was absolutely irate. As you can tell I find the whole proposition dubious, at best.”

  83. avatar
    RanTalbott June 13, 2014 at 3:31 pm #

    RanTalbott: because that ownership is downright illegal,

    Correction (gotta be careful talking to lawyers ;-) ):

    That kind of personal ownership of work product would be illegal for a real LEO. I have no idea whether his relationship with the CCP makes it illegal now.

  84. avatar
    donna June 13, 2014 at 4:01 pm #

    Someone contacted Reed Hayes and received the following interesting response

    Dear Mr. Kxxxxx,

    I did in fact perform work for Mr. Zullo with respect to the Obama Certificate of Live Birth. However, the results are strictly confidential, to be released only by Mr. Zullo and/or the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office Cold Case Posse, the legal owners of my report. Please contact Mr. Zullo directly for answers to your questions.

    Sincerely,

    Reed Hayes

    Reed Hayes, CDE

    http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/reed-hayer-email-2/

  85. avatar
    The European June 13, 2014 at 4:51 pm #

    Curious George:
    The European
    June 13, 2014
    Where is the poster DSM gone ? He wrote with so much knowledge in the initial thread “Vogt and Montgomery (the other one)” ?

    My gut tells me DSM is right on target.

    What are the “state secrets”??

  86. avatar
    Rickey June 13, 2014 at 5:35 pm #

    J.D. Sue: —-
    Indeed.Wow.

    This is from the order approving the sale:

    The Trustee is currently holding a large number of documents, including but not limited to, documents delivered from the Liner Firm obtained in their representation of the Debtor [Montgomery] and from discovery documents received by the Liner Firm in connection with litigation in which they represented the Debtor, and documents relating to litigation in Nevada, wherein upon the request of the United States Department of Justice (“DOJ”), the Nevada District Court entered several protective orders…

    The back story is that Flynn represented Montgomery in the case of Montgomery v. eTreppid Technologies. Flynn withdrew from that lawsuit when Montgomery failed to pay his legal fees. Another law firm, the Liner Firm, replaced Flynn and demanded that Flynn turn over his file to them. Flynn refused because he had filed a retaining lien against the files under Nevada law. The Liner Firm then sued Flynn and another attorney and lost; Flynn then sued the Liner Firm in U.S. District Court in Nevada and Flynn lost.

    There may be something in the Montgomery files which is of great value to Flynn.

  87. avatar
    Curious George June 13, 2014 at 8:31 pm #

    RanTalbott
    June 13, 2014
    “RanTalbott: because that ownership is downright illegal,

    Correction (gotta be careful talking to lawyers ):

    That kind of personal ownership of work product would be illegal for a real LEO. I have no idea whether his relationship with the CCP makes it illegal now.”

    With The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Cold Case Posse being a stand alone, non-profit corporation, wouldn’t the work product, if paid for by using CCP corporate funds, belong to the corporation? But, if Mr. Z used his personal funds, to purchase the Reed Hayes’ report , the work product would belong to Mr. Z, correct?

  88. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 15, 2014 at 2:44 pm #

    Curious George: With The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Cold Case Posse being a stand alone, non-profit corporation, wouldn’t the work product, if paid for by using CCP corporate funds, belong to the corporation? But, if Mr. Z used his personal funds, to purchase the Reed Hayes’ report , the work product would belong to Mr. Z, correct?

    —–
    I’ve thought about your question and realized I couldn’t, so I won’t, render a legal opinion. Off the cuff, I’d say I don’t see how Zullo–not being the author–could own the copyright without purchasing it.

    Here is a question. Why does a US copyright search on “Michael Zullo” only yield works on cat and golf astrology? I have no idea whether this is the same Mike Zullo.

    http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?SC=Author&SA=Zullo%2C%20Michael&PID=S2gA0WBR3tkuzZL9_ASpPmVG&BROWSE=1&HC=4&SID=6

  89. avatar
    CarlOrcas June 15, 2014 at 4:03 pm #

    J.D. Sue: I’ve thought about your question and realized I couldn’t, so I won’t, render a legal opinion. Off the cuff, I’d say I don’t see how Zullo–not being the author–could own the copyright without purchasing it.

    It’s my recollection (increasingly vague as I grow older) that work for hire (either as an employee or contractor) is owned by the person or entity paying for the work.

    So…..who paid: Zullo – personally – or the Cold Case Posse and if it was the posse does Zullo’s position with the posse give him a special position vis a vis the ownership of the copyright? Murky!

    One assumes this will all be cleared up when Zullo releases the report and the agreement Reed Hayes signed. Uh huh!

    J.D. Sue: Here is a question. Why does a US copyright search on “Michael Zullo” only yield works on cat and golf astrology? I have no idea whether this is the same Mike Zullo.

    A thorough Sunday afternoon Google/Bing search produces no biographical information on the author Michael Zullo. I do find an Allan Zullo who is an author and appears to own a company involved in publishing the kids books you found. He was born in Illinois and now lives in Florida. I don’t find any connection to the New Jersey/Arizona Zullo’s.

    As far as registration is concerned it isn’t necessary to protect one’s copyright though it certainly makes things simpler especially with work for hire.

  90. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 15, 2014 at 4:14 pm #

    Did you search under Mike Moore? :evil:

    Zullo’s joint effort with Corsi is not registered with the copyright office for some reason.

    CarlOrcas: I do find an Allan Zullo who is an author and appears to own a company involved in publishing the kids books you found. He was born in Illinois and now lives in Florida. I don’t find any connection to the New Jersey/Arizona Zullo’s.

  91. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 15, 2014 at 4:22 pm #

    That’s correct. In a work for hire, the person/company who paid for it owns the copyright. not he author.

    CarlOrcas: It’s my recollection (increasingly vague as I grow older) that work for hire (either as an employee or contractor) is owned by the person or entity paying for the work.

  92. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 15, 2014 at 4:29 pm #

    CarlOrcas: As far as registration is concerned it isn’t necessary to protect one’s copyright though it certainly makes things simpler especially with work for hire.

    —-
    True. Besides, one never knows whether Zullo et al are just throwing around the word “copyright” without knowing what they are talking about.

  93. avatar
    CarlOrcas June 15, 2014 at 4:31 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Did you search under Mike Moore?

    Don’t blame me when she comes back to torment you!!!

  94. avatar
    CarlOrcas June 15, 2014 at 4:32 pm #

    J.D. Sue: —-
    True.Besides, one never knows whether Zullo et al are just throwing around the word “copyright” without knowing what they are talking about.

    Oh my! Say it isn’t so!

  95. avatar
    Cin An June 19, 2014 at 10:07 am #

    You have only the tip of the iceberg with the Corsi relationship with bankrupt billionaire Blixseth and his attorney Flynn. They appear to have been engaging people like Corsi (and others) to attack federal judges involved in their bankruptcy case while also attacking their creditors… A recent appeals court ruling found: “Blixseth and his attorneys appear to have engaged in a patter of sanctionable behavior throughout the innumerable proceedings that have results from the Yellowstone bankruptcy… and held in contempt….” – https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tim-Blixseth/180929185290340