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Arpaio: Can’t prove birth certificate fraud

Here’s an excerpted section from Arpaio’s July 31 interview at TruNews:

Bruce Walker: One last question, on the subject of your ongoing investigation of Mr. Obama’s identity issues. Is there anything new developing in that case?

Arpaio: Well, it’s not his identity. It’s the birth certificate, a document that we are convinced is a fraudulent document, government document. That’s all I’ve been launching an investigation, not where he came from, and we’re still working at that. When you have a crime, you like to know who committed it, so we’re still working it. It hasn’t gone anywhere. People think I dropped it, no—been working it for two and a half years, but you want to make sure you have the proper evidence.

Bruce Walker: There has been speculation that your team is close to identifying the individual who fabricated the birth certificate that was placed on the White House web  site.

Arpaio: You know, we have our ideas. I want to make sure we cross the t’s and be able to prove it. I know; I have my ideas. I can’t say it. I want to prove it. You know, we’re still working it; it’s not gone. We’ve come up with other sensitive situations that probably could be worse than the birth certificate, but once again, you gotta try to prove this—but nobody will take it anyway. I’ve talked to the whole world about having hearings and looking at this birth certificate. Nobody wants to talk. The media keeps covering up on it. I can’t believe this is happening in our country, that nobody wants to talk to us when we got evidence.

Bruce Walker: Do you foresee that the Department would issue a final report? Is there a possibility that there would be a referral to a grand jury for an indictment?

Arpaio: Well, we’re working on that. We’re trying to get somebody or some people interested in doing something, so a lot of options out there. But you know what? I’m the law-enforcing guy. I can’t prosecute. That’s up to prosecutors, or if Congress doesn’t want to look at it, should I turn it over to the Justice Department? I presume there would be a little conflict of interest there.

Bruce Walker: Pat Boone made a comment that he expects that some major announcement may be announced by September. Any possibility that this could happen by September?

Arpaio: Well, it’s the possibility. Really can’t… I’m not trying to play games, you know, this is a sensitive thing that we’re doing. I’m a sheriff, but I do have 30 years as a federal official in the Department of Justice, so I imagine I have a little credibility, not just some sheriff talking about it; I do have a background, and I guess we’re the only law enforcement agency in the United States that ever decided to look at this, or any law enforcement agency.

Bruce Walker: Well Sheriff, when you’re ready to make a statement, we will give you all the time you want to do it.

It sounds pretty much like what we have heard before except a confirmed possible for something in September.

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38 Responses to Arpaio: Can’t prove birth certificate fraud

  1. avatar
    nbc August 3, 2014 at 3:14 pm #

    People think I dropped it, no—been working it for two and a half years, but you want to make sure you have the proper evidence.

    As I expected, they have no evidence, just pure speculation and a flawed analysis of the PDF which failed to consider a Xerox workflow.

    Such clowns…

    I wonder how the birthers are taking the news that they have not found much of anything…

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 3, 2014 at 3:17 pm #

    What I got from reading this, is that he’s saying “There is no actual evidence, just guesswork we can’t prove one way or the other.”

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    nbc August 3, 2014 at 3:18 pm #

    It also shows how poorly the P&E reported on some of the issues

    Such as the Grand Jury indictment

    Arpaio: Well, we’re working on that. We’re trying to get somebody or some people interested in doing something, so a lot of options out there. But you know what? I’m the law-enforcing guy. I can’t prosecute. That’s up to prosecutors. or if Congress doesn’t want to look at it, should I turn it over to the Justice Department? I presume there would be a little conflict of interest there.

    No interests from those who have seen the evidence and know what it takes to prosecute and convict.

    Arpaio is such a tool…

  4. avatar
    Arthur August 3, 2014 at 3:35 pm #

    While Arpaio’s statements are a bore, I remain interested in what actually prompted the Sheriff and Zullo to announce that they had “universe-shattering” evidence in the first place. Was it that they were hoodwinked by a conman, or were they trying to increase donations? Or was there some other motivation? If I was a journalist in Arizona, I’d consider this a juicy story–I’m surprised there isn’t more investigation going on.

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    Curious George August 3, 2014 at 4:53 pm #

    They’ve got nothing. They know they’ve got nothing. But how does one make nothing into something? Bring out a politician who talks in circles. Get the Birther faithful to say his circles are something. Bring in a few celebrities, who have been hoodwinked by the politician speaking in circles, and put on a Birther Palooza to promote the circles of nothing. Call it a day and sell the second book. We tried. The public didn’t buy our lies. Let’s call it a day and finally, go away. Burma Shave.

  6. avatar
    OllieOxenFree August 3, 2014 at 5:05 pm #

    B.S. artist who is painting his masterpiece.

    Can’t find any media willing to report it, but can’t give any evidence if asked about it. So he expects them to report… what exactly? So he is shocked by the medias silence and won’t report evidence that he can’t give them? Well me too. I mean imagine!!!

    I have said it before and I will say it again. They have no evidence of anything, but they are convinced that a crime has taken place, so if they keep shouting that they are “getting close to who did it,” that someone will come forward and admit their crime. Then, it will not matter what little evidence they actually had or how close to the truth that they were, because they will have the confession they believed was always there.

    I have never been convinced that their efforts were anything more than that, since the day they announced they had a person of interest over two years ago. The Brian Reilly testimony of Zullo’s reaction to the Globe article was further proof of this to me.

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    CarlOrcas August 3, 2014 at 5:28 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    What I got from reading this, is that he’s saying “There is no actual evidence, just guesswork we can’t prove one way or the other.”

    What I get from reading it is that he doesn’t have any idea what he’s talking about

  8. avatar
    Joey August 3, 2014 at 5:40 pm #

    It would take years to go from a local county level grand jury investigation to a final, definitive ruling by SCOTUS sometime in the President Hillary Clinton administration.

  9. avatar
    Notorial Dissent August 3, 2014 at 5:44 pm #

    The man is a such bald faced liar, not that we didn’t know that already, it’s just that he is so incredibly bad at it, which means his followers must equally be incredibly dumb and gullible, not that we didn’t know that either, but yee catss!!!!!

    They certainly don’t have any “evidence”, since there isn’t any to be had in the first place, and they don’t even have speculation, what they have is a circle jerk fantasy. As far as “investigation” goes, I think they only thing they have ever “investigated” is how much of the county’s money they can spend without getting caught.

    So they’re busy “investigating” a crime that didn’t even take place in Arpaio’s jurisdiction. That is just plain scary that people are actually falling for that. He can’t investigate the record number of uninvestigated/unsolved sex assaults in his county but he can “investigate” a birth certificate that the issuing authority has repeatedly certified as genuine.

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    Rickey August 3, 2014 at 5:58 pm #

    Notorial Dissent:

    So they’re busy “investigating” a crime that didn’t even take place in Arpaio’s jurisdiction.

    Jurisdiction notwithstanding, Arpaio still hasn’t identified the specific crime that he believes has been committed (i.e., what specific statute has been broken?).

    If I make a fake version of my birth certificate and post it on the Internet, what law have I broken? If I used it to apply for a driver’s license, or a passport, I could be in trouble. But how is posting it on the Internet a crime?

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    alg August 3, 2014 at 7:02 pm #

    Arpaio is such a senile old coot. If you listen to his interviews these days they are invariably incomprehensible and made up political diatribe intended to play well among other senile old coots.

    Of course, what Arpaio never explains is why it is the State of Hawaii has now, on three separate occasions, verified the accuracy and authenticity of Obama’s LFBC. Nor does he ever explain why Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett accepted the State of Hawaii’s official verification as sufficient to affirm Obama was born there. And, finally, he never quite explains why Maricopa County Prosecutor Montgomery found Zullo’s “work” to be little more than speculation.

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    Bernard Sussman August 3, 2014 at 7:09 pm #

    Well, so far the universe has not been shattered. My bet is that Arpaio will never come up with this proof but will (like Jim Garrison in the Clay Shaw – JFK Assassination case) spin this along for years until he is dead or voted out of office.

  13. avatar
    Thomas Brown August 3, 2014 at 11:04 pm #

    Run through the BS filter:

    “We hate that half-breed son of a bitch. So even though we have never found a scrap of evidence that he is anyone other than who he claims to be, or that his papers are forged, or that he has committed any crime at all, we will just keep telling our lies and trying desperately to con media or political figures into parroting them uncritically. We can’t just let him serve as a dusky Democrat president and get away scot-free. And we will never admit that not only is there no actual investigation, we know there is nothing to investigate.”

  14. avatar
    gorefan August 3, 2014 at 11:31 pm #

    “We’ve come up with other sensitive situations that probably could be worse than the birth certificate, but once again, you gotta try to prove this …”

    That may be as close as he’ll ever come to verifying the Phoenix New Time article.

  15. avatar
    justlw August 3, 2014 at 11:34 pm #

    I’m sure hoping he’ll weigh in on the Ebola! I’m sure it will be every bit as entertaining scientifically informed, practical, and actionable as the Donald’s emissions on that topic.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) August 4, 2014 at 4:53 am #

    nbc: I wonder how the birthers are taking the news that they have not found much of anything…

    Didn’t Zullo (?) claim they already know who the forger is? Arpaio’s statement sounds like they’re still looking for him and only “have an idea” who he is.

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    Curious George August 4, 2014 at 7:48 am #

    “Didn’t Zullo (?) claim they already know who the forger is? Arpaio’s statement sounds like they’re still looking for him and only “have an idea” who he is.”

    According to his March 1, 2012 press conference he mentioned he had a person of interest. I think he also said that they knew the actual computer that was used to upload the PDF to the White House website.

  18. avatar
    El Diablo Negro August 4, 2014 at 8:43 am #

    Looks like they have nothing, but a good solid story can always fool the masses. They probably cannot prove 100% that is it a forgery. All they have to do is be convincing enough to sway public opinion. They are polishing up their story to be plausible enough to get the media interested. Hats off to them if they pull it off, but I will wait for the 10’ meteor to fall on my car while driving.

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    realist August 4, 2014 at 9:30 am #

    It would seem to me it’s very difficult to have a forger/forgers when it’s patently obvious there’s no forgery.

    I think the grand jury is Arpaio’s exit gambit. No GJ will ever touch it, or if they do will just toss it. Then they can say they did everything they could but… sorry, it’s going nowhere but it’s not our fault.

    Arpaio will have been successful in raising millions for his campaign off this nonsense and Zullo can them sell his “tell all” book.

    Easy peasy.

  20. avatar
    John Reilly August 4, 2014 at 9:40 am #

    I guess in Arizona, where Pres. Obama’s eligibility was investigated by a Republican, Secretary of State Bennett and found baseless, an eligibility challenge is no longer possible.

    How about that Sven? Or does the fact that someone living under a rock raises the same challenge again mean that, even in Arizona, Federal officers must stop what they are doing and re-investigate?

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    The Magic M (not logged in) August 4, 2014 at 10:29 am #

    realist: Then they can say they did everything they could but… sorry, it’s going nowhere but it’s not our fault.

    Which will prompt a rehash of Manning’s “then we set up our own birther Grand Jury, danggit”, inevitably.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) August 4, 2014 at 10:31 am #

    Curious George: According to his March 1, 2012 press conference he mentioned he had a person of interest.

    Yes but somebody involved in the scam claimed they actually had identified who was the forger (and made it sound like they were trying to arrest that person, or get him/her to spill the beans about who’s behind it all), not just somebody who might be the forger – don’t remember if it was Gallups or Corsi or whoever.

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    justlw August 4, 2014 at 1:29 pm #

    The Magic M (not logged in): Yes but somebody involved in the scam claimed they actually had identified who was the forger (and made it sound like they were trying to arrest that person, or get him/her to spill the beans about who’s behind it all), not just somebody who might be the forger – don’t remember if it was Gallups or Corsi or whoever.

    Corsi. Said in May 2011 that the forger was named “Mike”, because Onaka smiley face. You don’t get much more airtight evidence than that.

  24. avatar
    alg August 4, 2014 at 3:30 pm #

    Perhaps Sheriff Joe should check the Maricopa County Prosecutor’s website:

    http://www.maricopacountyattorney.org/prosecuting-criminals/community-based-prosecution/adult-criminal-trial-process.html

    It explains in very simple terms what is required in order to justify the filing of criminal charges. It also discusses the role of a Grand Jury in issuing an indictment.

    This, of course, is where the “cold case posse” ended its relevance in Maricopa County when Prosecutor Montgomery advised the good Sheriff he didn’t have evidence of a crime.

  25. avatar
    Northland10 August 4, 2014 at 8:04 pm #

    Arpaio: Well, it’s not his identity. It’s the birth certificate, a document that we are convinced is a fraudulent document, government document.

    He is convinced an image of a document that is not anywhere near his jurisdiction is fraudulent but that does not mean that the President is ineligible. If Birthers actually listened to what he said, I don’t think they would be happy. Good thing they only listen to the words they want to hear.

  26. avatar
    Notorial Dissent August 4, 2014 at 8:53 pm #

    I don’t think any of the Shurf’s, or the Klown prince’s imaginings are ever going to see the light of day in a grand jury room, for the simple fact that the one who would have to take them there would be the county attorney, and even as much of a wuss as he is, he isn’t going to put his reputation let alone his career on the line for anything those two dream up. The only reason he has the job now is that his predecessor and deputy got removed for playing politics with the Shurf to begin with. He may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he at least learned from their example. I also can’t see them interesting the state AG with their nonsense, I think he does have more sense than that, so the Shurf is just making more mouth noises when he talks about a grand jury.

    realist:
    It would seem to me it’s very difficult to have a forger/forgers when it’s patently obvious there’s no forgery.

    I think the grand jury is Arpaio’s exit gambit.No GJ will ever touch it, or if they do will just toss it. Then they can say they did everything they could but… sorry, it’s going nowhere but it’s not our fault.

    Arpaio will have been successful in raising millions for his campaign off this nonsense and Zullo can them sell his “tell all” book.

    Easy peasy.

  27. avatar
    James M August 4, 2014 at 9:19 pm #

    Google Image Search for “fake birth certificate” and you’ll see hundreds of them. I wonder which one Sheriff Joe is looking at?

  28. avatar
    RanTalbott August 4, 2014 at 10:16 pm #

    The Magic M (not logged in): Yes but somebody involved in the scam claimed they actually had identified who was the forger

    BR slapped that title on one of their Free Dumb Friday videos a couple of months ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rsrZ7C-YBI
    but it may have been spin.

    Starts about 4 minutes in. Gallups says Zullo revealed it during their previous week’s circle jerk. But, if you listen carefully, Zullo had said they were “honing in” (with a whetstone?), and it sounds as though Gallups might be trying to weasel-word a “We’re almost there, and won’t it be wonderful (soon)” so that people hear it as “We _are_ there”.

  29. avatar
    RanTalbott August 4, 2014 at 10:26 pm #

    realist: Arpaio will have been successful in raising millions for his campaign off this nonsense

    Except it won’t be for his campaign: at the rate his approval rating is declining, I’d say it’s a 99% certainty that he’ll retire in 2016, and live quite comfortably off those millions.

    I see him becoming a big hit on the rubber chicken circuit by using his wealth to speak cheap/free, getting the publicity and adulation that he craves, freed of having to maintain the decorum required of an elected official.

  30. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) August 5, 2014 at 3:55 am #

    RanTalbott: I see him becoming a big hit on the rubber chicken circuit

    His own Fox talk show maybe? “Today on Pink Suits: Shurf J asks non-biased birthers why women aren’t eligible for the Presidency, plus Cliven Bundy tells us all about the Negro. Today at 8, only on FOX.”

  31. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) August 5, 2014 at 3:57 am #

    Northland10: If Birthers actually listened to what he said, I don’t think they would be happy.

    I used to rub it in when Joe was still holding his precious pressers. Especially how he called Obama “the President” (not “the usurper”) and repeatedly said “I’m not accusing the President of anything”. Birthers weren’t happy with that (me pointing that out, not him saying that, mind you).

  32. avatar
    Dave B. August 5, 2014 at 1:17 pm #

    He doesn’t need one, any more than TV “prophets” like John Hagee do. Those guys just write ANOTHER book and sell it to the same poor suckers that bought the last one.

    realist: I think the grand jury is Arpaio’s exit gambit.

  33. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 6, 2014 at 10:30 pm #

    See also:

    “AZ sheriff Joe Arpaio fuels Tea Party nuttiness with birther ‘citizen grand jury’ fantasy” at Raw Story.

  34. avatar
    CarlOrcas August 6, 2014 at 10:41 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    See also:

    “AZ sheriff Joe Arpaio fuels Tea Party nuttiness with birther ‘citizen grand jury’ fantasy” at <a href="
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/06/az-sheriff-joe-arpaio-fuels-tea-party-nuttiness-with-birther-citizens-grand-jury-fantasy/?utm_content=buffer3c48a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer“>Raw Story.

    What is there to say? The man is certifiably insane.

  35. avatar
    Curious George August 7, 2014 at 11:21 am #

    It gets nuttier every second that Joe refuses to retire. What’s next…..Joe runs for president? Oooops! I don’t think he’s eligible according to Birther eligibility law.

  36. avatar
    gorefan August 7, 2014 at 11:49 am #

    Question for the legal beagles:

    If Arpaio names a suspected forger, would the forger be able to sue Maricopa County for slander/defamation?

    How about Zullo? Would he be personally liable and not covered by Maricopa County insurance?

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    CarlOrcas August 7, 2014 at 12:17 pm #

    gorefan:
    Question for the legal beagles:

    If Arpaio names a suspected forger, would the forger be able to sue Maricopa County for slander/defamation?

    How about Zullo?Would he be personally liable and not covered by Maricopa County insurance?

    A couple thoughts as a non-lawyer but long time observer of Maricopa County shenanigans:

    The county is pretty much self insured with, as I recall, some excess liability coverage.

    Generally public officials in the furtherance of their legitimate public duties are shielded but given Arapio’s penchant for irrational and irresponsible acts I’m sure he could set a new standard as he has done in several other cases during this time in office.

    Zullo is on his own though I suspect a good attorney could make the case that he really was working as an agent of Arpaio in furtherance of his irrational and irresponsible acts.

    Will they name a “forger”? I doubt it. Certainly not a living human being.

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    JPotter August 7, 2014 at 12:36 pm #

    Curious George: It gets nuttier every second that Joe refuses to retire. What’s next…..Joe runs for president?

    He could say he’s ‘thinking’ about running for Pres, please send money now. Then keep the money. He already ‘thought’ about running for governor!