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Zullo: It’s the birthers’ fault

After years of failure, missed deadlines, unkept promises and a solid public record of doing nothing, Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse commander Mike Zullo turns on the ones who made him, the birthers, blaming them for his lack of progress.

Recall in the beginning that Zullo came out into the media spotlight carried on the shoulders of birthers like Mara Zebest, Garrett Papit and especially Jerome Corsi. The first Cold Case Posse reports looked like material gathered from birther web sites and Jerome Corsi’s book. Indeed Zullo has said that his original job with the Posse was to vet information from Jerome Corsi. The problem seems to be that things were not objectively vetted, and birther critics were kept out of the loop. That’s probably how Zullo got caught presenting faked evidence (the infamous fake 1961 federal race code table); he used something a birther faked without checking. Indeed Zullo earned the media’s assessment of “long debunked” because he used old birther remnants as the foundation of his case before the jury of public opinion.

The widely-disproved notion that the president was born abroad rather than in Hawaii, as state officials have repeatedly confirmed, comes up regularly in Arizona.

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Zullo’s first dodge was to shift gears from law enforcement to lobbying Congress, but that was essentially left to the birthers, and notably to Mike Volin with his “Sheriff’s Kit” (now in a new edition). The Sheriff’s Kit has proved to be a 100% failure in getting any member of Congress on board.

Nowadays, Zullo has retreated back into the law enforcement tent where he can use law enforcement practices as an excuse to keep his progress secret. (Of course, Mike Zullo has never been certified as a law enforcement officer in Arizona, according to Executive Director Lyle Mann of Arizona Peace Officers Standards and Training).

What is Zullo’s perspective on these events? How does he explain his abject failure? He blames it, at least in part, on the very birthers who made him. He says that their ineptitude has destroyed his credibility and limited his options. Zullo and his mouthpiece Carl Gallups were on the Peter Boyles radio show yesterday (October 3) . Here’s the entire show playable from this page.

 

On the show, which was a supposed to be a reset/recovery from what Boyles called a “dust up” previously between Lawrence Sellin and Carl Gallups, and a later segment with Brian Reilly, Boyles tries to be conciliatory, saying:

It doesn’t help our cause when we internally fight.

Still the issue of Zullo’s 3-year lack of progress, the non-appearance of any “universe-shattering” revelations, and pretty much zero from Zullo™, didn’t go away.

Zullo said:

[05:25] From that point [the 2nd press conference] forward that mandate [from Arpaio to vet Corsi’s information] stopped. The Sheriff wanted to get this to Congress. Was having difficulty. And part of the difficulty, Peter, was the fact that so many people, all over the Internet have weighed in on this, and made contact to Congress people with claims that are just unsubstantiated, and have muddied the waters. So the Sheriff changed the mandate and the he told me to take this in the direction now of a total law enforcement investigation.

What Zullo doesn’t appreciate is that he himself is one of those crazies hawking totally unsubstantiated claims. If Zullo were actually this important emissary from law enforcement that he describes himself to be, why is it that these “Congress people” didn’t see that? Why couldn’t they see that his evidence is substantiated? Zullo himself answers this question later on.

Zullo asserts his renewed investigation has “cultivated” evidence that doesn’t rely on “other people” and

[06:09]I’m hopping that in the very near future we’re going to be able to release that.

So mark the calendar—on October 4, 2014, Mike Zullo dangled the phrase “in the very near future” in front of the birthers, in reference to the “truth behind the document.” So anyone who might have gathered that Zullo had “moved on” from the birth certificate is wrong. Still Zullo wants to distance himself from the unwashed birther horde. He writes that his current mandate from Arpaio is to gather evidence to show:

[06:25] We are not birthers. We are here looking at a fraudulent document. This document should never have been perpetrated, should never have been proffered in the manner it does. As a matter of fact, to merely create this document is a federal offense. We’re concentrating on a fraudulent counterfeit1 document that was used to be proffered by Mr. Obama and his administration as proof positive that he’s an American citizen. We don’t have that evidence. We don’t have that proof of that claim. But that is what our mandate is.

No wonder Zullo can’t convince Congress: by his own words, Zullo admits that he doesn’t have evidence that proves the Obama birth certificate is fraudulent!

[07:27] This document has never been brought to trial. And if you go back on all these court cases, in a lot of these court cases, that people have burned jurisdictions on, that made it very difficult for us to proceed forward.

As best I can make out, Zullo is saying that birther lawsuits have precluded him taking some action. I’m not sure what Zullo thinks jurisdiction means. Zullo said on the Carl Gallups show back in 2013 that Orly Taitz "doesn’t understand what jurisdiction means…." None of the birther lawsuits were criminal cases, so how could they possibly impact one way or another, some putative future criminal prosecution. It is pretty well established, long before Obama came along, that a sitting president cannot be indicted for a crime. Arpaio could try to get an indictment (if he ever got some evidence), but nothing any birther did before has any relevance to that.

Mike Zullo says “the evidence has to support the allegation,” yet he says that he certain that Obama’s birth certificate is fraudulent, and that he doesn’t have the evidence to prove it. That seems to me to be a very weak position to be in. Zullo further states that he does not even have probable cause that Barack Obama’s social-security number is not legitimate.

My parting words for Carl Gallups: if you have to say that you are not being evasive, you probably are.


1Counterfeit: “made in exact imitation of something valuable or important with the intention to deceive or defraud.” Apparently Zullo doesn’t know what counterfeit means. Later in the interview, he describes it as a “fraudulent facsimile of an official state document.” Perhaps he doesn’t understand “facsimile” either.

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75 Responses to Zullo: It’s the birthers’ fault

  1. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater October 4, 2014 at 3:55 pm #

    Well that’s not surprising considering he didn’t know what inductive and deductive reasoning meant.

  2. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG October 4, 2014 at 4:03 pm #

    As one would expect, Zullo’s biggest enemy is himself.

  3. avatar
    Reality Check October 4, 2014 at 4:12 pm #

    Yes, I caught that one too. The bottom line is Zullo is not very bright. Did you catch his stupid “engine – caboose” analogy?

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater:
    Well that’s not surprising considering he didn’t know what inductive and deductive reasoning meant.

  4. avatar
    Arthur October 4, 2014 at 4:12 pm #

    No matter how big Zullo’s pit of deceit and misrepresentation grows, birthers will follow him down.

  5. avatar
    john October 4, 2014 at 4:24 pm #

    “No wonder Zullo can’t convince Congress: by his own words, Zullo admits that he doesn’t have evidence that proves the Obama birth certificate is fraudulent!’

    Sorry Doc. He didn’t say that

    …document that was used to be proffered by Mr. Obama and his administration as proof positive that he’s an American citizen. We don’t have that evidence. We don’t have that proof of that claim. But that is what our mandate is.”

    The evidence Zullo is referring to the proof that Obama is an American Citizen. We don’t have that proof.

  6. avatar
    Reality Check October 4, 2014 at 4:38 pm #

    At some point in the first show Boyles said that “Even the Congressional Research Service admitted that Obama was never vetted…”.

    I assume that Boyles was referring to this statement in the March 18, 2010 memo written by Jack Maskell of the Congressional Research Service.

    “There is no requirement under federal law, nor was there under state law in 2008 for any federal candidate, that is candidates to the United States Senate, the House of Representatives, or the Presidency to publish, produce, or release an official “birth certificate””.

    Maskell was only stating the facts as they were then and remain to this day that none of the candidates for federal offices have to produce birth certificates. He wasn’t “admitting Obama wasn’t vetted” any more than he was admitting that George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H. W. Bush or Ronald Reagan “were never vetted. It was just another of many lies that Boyles told.

    He also lied when he claimed the CRS memo was leaked. The memos are prepared at the request of members of Congress. They are not published reports. If a member of Congress wants to make a memo available they can but they are not required to. do so. The CRS is what the name says. It is a research organization within the Library of Congress that serves as a shared resource for members of Congress and for committees.

  7. avatar
    Krosis October 4, 2014 at 5:04 pm #

    Zullo probably meant “We don’t have evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, all we know is that his certificate is fake. See? We’re not birthers!” Of course, Zullo doesn’t have a way with words.

  8. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater October 4, 2014 at 5:06 pm #

    Reality Check:
    Yes, I caught that one too. The bottom line is Zullo is not very bright. Did you catch his stupid “engine – caboose” analogy?

    Zullo thought that somehow the caboose works in tandem with the engine when in fact it has no power.

  9. avatar
    Rickey October 4, 2014 at 5:28 pm #

    Zullo says, “As a matter of fact, to merely create this document is a federal offense.” Of course, he doesn’t cite any Federal law which supposedly was broken, but even so – if a Federal offense has been committed, how would Maricopa County have jurisdiction?

  10. avatar
    Reality Check October 4, 2014 at 5:29 pm #

    I could not follow Zullo’s logic on how other Birthers pushing completely made up crap about President Obama poisoned the well for his completely made up crap about President Obama. Of course I doubt I am alone in not being to follow Zullo’s logic at any time.

  11. avatar
    aarrgghh October 4, 2014 at 6:48 pm #

    zullo: “We’re concentrating on a fraudulent counterfeit1 [sic] document that was used to be proffered by Mr. Obama and his administration as proof positive that he’s an American citizen. We don’t have that evidence. We don’t have that proof of that claim. But that is what our mandate is.” (emphases mine.)

    doc: “… by his own words, Zullo admits that he doesn’t have evidence that proves the Obama birth certificate is fraudulent!”

    i have not heard the audio, but i read zullo’s statement differently: the claim for which he insists he has no proof is that the usurper is an american citizen. (note my emphases above)

  12. avatar
    Krosis October 4, 2014 at 7:36 pm #

    Wow! Lieutenant-General Supreme Commander Zullo is not only a master of anti-usurper investigation techniques, but also of ambiguous verbal wordplay as well!

  13. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy October 4, 2014 at 8:24 pm #

    I understand the ambiguity. There is one more “that” in the text, referring to the mandate. The mandate at that time was a concentrated criminal investigation. I can’t see “that” referring to validating the claim that Obama’s birth certificate is legitimate.

    Not included in my transcript was a follow-up question to Zullo from Boyles, asking whether he “believed” that Obama’s birth certificate was fraudulent. Same question to Gallups.

    aarrgghh: i have not heard the audio, but i read zullo’s statement differently: the claim for which he insists he has no proof is that the usurper is an american citizen. (note my emphases above)

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    aarrgghh October 4, 2014 at 10:19 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I understand the ambiguity. There is one more “that” in the text, referring to the mandate. The mandate at that time was a concentrated criminal investigation. I can’t see “that” referring to validating the claim that Obama’s birth certificate is legitimate.

    Not included in my transcript was a follow-up question to Zullo from Boyles, asking whether he “believed” that Obama’s birth certificate was fraudulent. Same question to Gallups.

    for good reason, zullo can’t really avoid ambiguity; as his con collapses, greater is his need for vague and noncommittal acrobatics. also too, he’s relying on the birfers’ famous therapeutic amnesia to dance over his lies, errors and self-contradictions. what is certainly unambiguous is his readiness, at any time, to spin his “mandate” to mean whatever he thinks his eager marks want it to mean. three years of less-than-fancy footwork have turned commander zullo into detective dervish.

  15. avatar
    Yoda October 4, 2014 at 11:02 pm #

    Did anyone catch Zullo’s whining about the fact that Boyles did not genuflect to him? It was incredibly funny.

  16. avatar
    CarlOrcas October 4, 2014 at 11:02 pm #

    john: The evidence Zullo is referring to the proof that Obama is an American Citizen. We don’t have that proof.

    What would it take to satisfy YOU, john?

    We have the word of the State of Hawaii, we have seen his Presidential passport but that’s not good enough for you, right?

    What will it take for you to be convinced?

  17. avatar
    Steve October 4, 2014 at 11:03 pm #

    CarlOrcas: What would it take to satisfy YOU, john?

    We have the word of the State of Hawaii, we have seen his Presidential passport but that’s not good enough for you, right?

    What will it take for you to be convinced?

    A time machine to take him back to 1961?

  18. avatar
    roxy7655 October 4, 2014 at 11:28 pm #

    Let me set you straight once more, john:

    We do have that proof. You merely dispute that proof, but without countervailing evidence of any kind.

    Do let us know when you have some, OK?

  19. avatar
    Suranis October 5, 2014 at 7:18 am #

    Naa, what’s the proof that the baby he is personally in the delivery room with is the same person as the guy in the whitehouse. In fact the sweaty puffy red faced and screaming woman on the delivery table does not look like the photos of Stanely Ann Dunham!

    Steve: A time machine to take him back to 1961?

  20. avatar
    Bonsall Obot October 5, 2014 at 7:52 am #

    CarlOrcas: What would it take to satisfy YOU, john?

    If the President could stop being so black, that’d be great.

  21. avatar
    Reality Check October 5, 2014 at 8:44 am #

    More Zullo butt hurt over Brian Reilly. More Zullo lying about race codes and Xerox:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/markgillar/2014/10/05/zullo-fires-back-at-peter-boyles-and-former-cold-case-posse-member

  22. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy October 5, 2014 at 9:16 am #

    I need to listen to that. Zullo doesn’t often get defensive.

    Reality Check: More Zullo butt hurt over Brian Reilly. More Zullo lying about race codes and Xerox

  23. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy October 5, 2014 at 9:22 am #

    By the way, when I used the phrase “zero from Zullo”™, I had in mind the “Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs” commercial.

  24. avatar
    Reality Check October 5, 2014 at 9:31 am #

    As usual you have to listen to Zullo’s wording very carefully. He has had lots of practice at lying in a way that he inserts a weasel word or phrase for an out. Gillar does the same thing. Listen to the discussion on the Xerox. They admit they have done tests. What Gillar said that the tests scanning birth certificates do not necessarily give results like those seen in the LFBC PDF. Does that mean sometimes they do give the same results? Isn’t a single positive test enough to prove that a simple scan is infinitely more likely explanation than a vast conspiracy?

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I need to listen to that. Zullo doesn’t often get defensive.

  25. avatar
    Reality Check October 5, 2014 at 10:59 am #

    Zullo gave a few more details on how he was stiffed by outgoing Representative Joe Walsh. Zullo said he worked over the Christmas holidays in 2012 to prepare a 400 page report that Walsh was going to put into the Congressional Record. Walsh’s term ended early in 2013. After he completed the report at the end of the year he gave it to Walsh and was told that he could only submit one page. As it turned out Walsh left office without submitting anything.

    I think this episode is a window into how pathetic the entire investigation has been.

  26. avatar
    Bonsall Obot October 5, 2014 at 11:26 am #

    Joe Walsh was one of the most odious clumps of fecal matter ever to smear himself across the halls of congress; if they couldn’t even get him to fling their crap on his way out the door, their cause is truly hopeless.

  27. avatar
    gorefan October 5, 2014 at 11:51 am #

    @36:00

    Mike Zullo: “He literally jumps into the arms of C and those other operatives there.”

    I wonder who he is talking about.

    Is that like Q or M?

  28. avatar
    Reality Check October 5, 2014 at 11:56 am #

    RC Radio = “Some Internet Radio Show” 😆

  29. avatar
    Reality Check October 5, 2014 at 12:00 pm #

    Zullo talked about how the Obots have been on this for 6 years using Alinsky tactics and that shows there must be something to this.

    I assume by “Alinsky tactics: he means getting the crap kicked out of him with facts?

  30. avatar
    Bonsall Obot October 5, 2014 at 12:52 pm #

    Reality Check:
    RC Radio = “Some Internet Radio Show”

    Maybe it’s a compliment. Like “Some Pig!”

  31. avatar
    john October 5, 2014 at 1:46 pm #

    A kick ass interview by Zullo. He finally did something right for a change.

  32. avatar
    john October 5, 2014 at 1:50 pm #

    Reality Check:
    Zullo gave a few more details on how he was stiffed by outgoing Representative Joe Walsh. Zullo said he worked over the Christmas holidays in 2012 to prepare a 400 page report that Walsh was going to put into the Congressional Record. Walsh’s term ended early in 2013. After he completed the report at the end of the year he gave it to Walsh and was told that he could only submit one page. As it turned out Walsh left office without submitting anything.

    I think this episode is a window into how pathetic the entire investigation has been.

    This was quite an interesting revelation. It is not surprising however. To date, no member of Congress has had courage to inquire about Arpaio investigation. I’m an quite sure, that all members of Congress been warned and threatened that if that even think about inquiring into the Arpaio investigation, there will be severe reprisal. All of Congress certainly knows about the Arpaio investigation PERSONALLY. That is a sure thing. Senator Marco Rubio certainly knows about it but he is keeping his mouth shut.

  33. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy October 5, 2014 at 2:46 pm #

    So, according to you, the conspiracy is really, really, really huge. That’s how conspiracy theories usually run — bigger and bigger conspiracies to account for why the the conspiracy theorists can’t win.

    john: This was quite an interesting revelation. It is not surprising however. To date, no member of Congress has had courage to inquire about Arpaio investigation. I’m an quite sure, that all members of Congress been warned and threatened that if that even think about inquiring into the Arpaio investigation, there will be severe reprisal. All of Congress certainly knows about the Arpaio investigation PERSONALLY. That is a sure thing. Senator Marco Rubio certainly knows about it but he is keeping his mouth shut

  34. avatar
    Arthur B. October 5, 2014 at 2:55 pm #

    john: All of Congress certainly knows about the Arpaio investigation PERSONALLY.

    If you are right, the fact that they know about it and have chosen not to act upon it hurts your argument a lot more than it helps.

    Your only excuse is that you are “quite sure, that all members of Congress been warned and threatened,” but you have provided exactly the same evidence for that claim that Sven has shown concerning the Certificate of Naturalization — in other words, absolutely nothing.

  35. avatar
    CarlOrcas October 5, 2014 at 2:57 pm #

    john: I’m an quite sure, that all members of Congress been warned and threatened that if that even think about inquiring into the Arpaio investigation, there will be severe reprisal.

    Threatened by who, john?

    What kind of “severe reprisal” (sic) and, out of curiosity, how do you know?

  36. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG October 5, 2014 at 3:02 pm #

    I personally think its gonna be a really ugly scene, when John is no longer able to fool himself. It’ll be too much reality too soon.

  37. avatar
    SvenMagnussen October 5, 2014 at 3:22 pm #

    Arthur B.: If you are right, the fact that they know about it and have chosen not to act upon it hurts your argument a lot more than it helps.

    Your only excuse is that you are “quite sure, that all members of Congress been warned and threatened,” but you have provided exactly the same evidence for that claim that Sven has shown concerning the Certificate of Naturalization — in other words, absolutely nothing.

    The Executive, Judicial and Legislative Branches of the US Federal Government are aware of Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization. Winter is coming.

  38. avatar
    Arthur B. October 5, 2014 at 3:28 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: The Executive, Judicial and Legislative Branches of the US Federal Government are aware of Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization. Winter is coming.

    Now, let’s see. The passage of mine to which you responded referred to “exactly the same evidence for that claim that Sven has shown concerning the Certificate of Naturalization — in other words, absolutely nothing.”

    Your answer is meant as a joke, right?

  39. avatar
    gorefan October 5, 2014 at 3:34 pm #

    john: I’m an quite sure, that all members of Congress been warned and threatened that if that even think about inquiring into the Arpaio investigation, there will be severe reprisal.

    Warned by who?

    john: Senator Marco Rubio certainly knows about it but he is keeping his mouth shut.

    “If that birth certificate was fraudulent or something fraudulent had been done about that someone would have turned out that evidence by now. No, I don’t think that is an issue that you are hearing a lot of discussion about because of that. So if Sheriff Arpaio or somebody else has evidence of fraud, I mean they have to present that publically.” Senator Marco Rubio, June, 2013

    BTW, have you talked to Congressman Yoho lately?

  40. avatar
    gorefan October 5, 2014 at 3:36 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: What photo with a red arrow pointing to a “Y”?

    Followed by the spring. Blahahahahaha

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    Paper October 5, 2014 at 3:39 pm #

    Yes, by the voters. A very severe reprisal indeed, called losing an election.

    john: I’m an quite sure, that all members of Congress been warned and threatened that if that even think about inquiring into the Arpaio investigation, there will be severe reprisal.

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    Paper October 5, 2014 at 3:43 pm #

    It is good to see one tiny piece of truth slip into Sven’s posts. Winter is indeed coming.

    SvenMagnussen: The Executive, Judicial and Legislative Branches of the US Federal Government are aware of Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization. Winter is coming.

  43. avatar
    bgansel9 October 5, 2014 at 4:13 pm #

    john: To date, no member of Congress has had courage to inquire about Arpaio investigation. I’m an quite sure, that all members of Congress been warned and threatened that if that even think about inquiring into the Arpaio investigation, there will be severe reprisal.

    Did it ever occur to you that perhaps Congress isn’t fooled by the fact that Arpaio isn’t a federal officer and has no legal jurisdiction to challenge the president’s eligibility?

    No, I’m sure it didn’t.

  44. avatar
    Curious George October 5, 2014 at 4:24 pm #

    Zullo states that
    WND and Corsi walked away from the biggest story in the world. Zullo just kicked himself in the * ss with that comment.
    john
    October 5, 2014
    A kick ass interview by Zullo. He finally did something right for a change.

  45. avatar
    bovril October 5, 2014 at 4:27 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: The Executive, Judicial and Legislative Branches of the US Federal Government are aware of Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization. Winter is coming.

    Really Sven,

    So, how did they become aware, did they get to see it..? You know, the freely available to find public record we wait with bated breath for you to provide.
    Come along Sven, you’ve had weeks now since I showed you where to go to get a copy of said document. What’s wrong, surely you have a copy ready to share…?

  46. avatar
    Reality Check October 5, 2014 at 4:49 pm #

    How so? He never said that the race codes were correct. We know they were not. His source for confirmation was a friend of Corsi’s hanging around in the lobby at the CDC. We have the actual coding instructions from 1961 and they are not what Zullo claimed. He still hasn’t released one shred of evidence to dispute the Xerox theory.

    I assume you were delighted how Zullo trashed Brian Reilly but what did he actually say other than Reilly didn’t like the way Zullo was running the investigation and said so? He equivocated on whether Reilly was terminated from some volunteer position with law enforcement in Washington. We really don’t know what happened there.

    If you think that was a kick ass interview you have very low standards. Oh wait you do have very low standards.

    john:
    A kick ass interview by Zullo.He finally did something right for a change.

  47. avatar
    john October 5, 2014 at 6:17 pm #

    I thought the part about the Hawaii Verification was suspect. Zullo is headed to Hawaii and very next day Hawaii decides to give Bennett what he wants after stonewalling for months. Coincidence???

  48. avatar
    Bonsall Obot October 5, 2014 at 6:36 pm #

    To date, no member of Congress has had courage to inquire about the unicorns that fart rainbows. I’m an quite sure, that all members of Congress been warned and threatened that if that even think about inquiring about unicorns that fart rainbows, there will be severe reprisal. All of Congress certainly knows about the unicorns that fart rainbows PERSONALLY.

  49. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy October 5, 2014 at 7:30 pm #

    Zullo had no authority in Hawaii, so he could not have influenced them in any way.

    john: I thought the part about the Hawaii Verification was suspect. Zullo is headed to Hawaii and very next day Hawaii decides to give Bennett what he wants after stonewalling for months. Coincidence???

  50. avatar
    john October 5, 2014 at 7:34 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Zullo had no authority in Hawaii, so he could not have influenced them in any way.

    That’s true Doc. I just think its coincidence, the Zullo is headed to Hawaii to poke around (which was leaked out by the way) and very next day Hawaii decides to send the Hawaii Verification to Bennett.

  51. avatar
    Yoda October 5, 2014 at 7:35 pm #

    John, does it make a difference? It is possible that the HDOH was so annoyed by a used car salesman playing cop showing up that it prompted send ing out the verification. Who cares? The important think is the verification itself. And no, it is not garbage. It provides all the information necessary to shut this nonsense down. There was nothing evasive, nothing vague, nothing less to discuss. So again, who cares?

  52. avatar
    Rickey October 5, 2014 at 7:39 pm #

    john: I’m an quite sure, that all members of Congress been warned and threatened that if that even think about inquiring into the Arpaio investigation, there will be severe reprisal.

    Do you have evidence to support that which you are “quite sure” about?

    Oh wait, I almost forgot that your opinions are based upon confirmation bias, not evidence. Never mind.

  53. avatar
    john October 5, 2014 at 7:41 pm #

    It get’s better doc. Remember Fukino’s Press Statement – http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/files/2013/05/09-063.pdf

    It occurred on July 27, 2009.

    Now remember the Resolution that Congress recognizing the 50th Birthday of Hawaii Statehood where said Obama was born in Hawaii within it.

    The Resolution passed July 27, 2009.

    Coincidence?

  54. avatar
    Rickey October 5, 2014 at 7:42 pm #

    john:
    I thought the part about the Hawaii Verification was suspect.Zullo is headed to Hawaii and very next day Hawaii decides to give Bennett what he wants after stonewalling for months.Coincidence???

    Bennett wasn’t stonewalled. He got a response from Hawaii as soon as he followed the proper procedure for requesting it.

    What makes you think that Hawaii knew or cared that Zullo was heading there?

  55. avatar
    CarlOrcas October 5, 2014 at 7:46 pm #

    john:
    I thought the part about the Hawaii Verification was suspect.Zullo is headed to Hawaii and very next day Hawaii decides to give Bennett what he wants after stonewalling for months.Coincidence???

    If Zullo’s authority didn’t extend beyond the boundaries of Maricopa County why did he go to Hawaii, john?

  56. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG October 5, 2014 at 7:48 pm #

    john:
    I thought the part about the Hawaii Verification was suspect.Zullo is headed to Hawaii and very next day Hawaii decides to give Bennett what he wants after stonewalling for months.Coincidence???

    That’s some interesting revisionist history you’ve got going there, John. Wrong, but interesting.

  57. avatar
    Bonsall Obot October 5, 2014 at 7:48 pm #

    john:
    I thought the part about the Hawaii Verification was suspect.

    Quelle surprise.
    Might be easier for you to list the things you don’t find “suspect.” Here I’ll start the list for you:

    1. Anything having to do with white Presidents.

    Hmm, I seem to have finished the list for you as well, you racist little troll.

  58. avatar
    Reality Check October 5, 2014 at 8:03 pm #

    This story was just more of Zullo attempting to pretend he matters to anyone. He usually throws in a dose of paranoia to boot.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Zullo had no authority in Hawaii, so he could not have influenced them in any way.

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    CarlOrcas October 5, 2014 at 8:28 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Zullo had no authority in Hawaii, so he could not have influenced them in any way.

    Zullo has no authority anywhere……which explains the three years he has wasted producing nothing.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG October 5, 2014 at 8:57 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Zullo has no authority anywhere……which explains the three years he has wasted producing nothing.

    The difference between Mike Zullo and Inspector Clouseau, is that the latter actually accomplishes something every now and again, and is a much more believable character, despite being fictional.

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    HistorianDude October 5, 2014 at 9:18 pm #

    john: That’s true Doc.I just think its coincidence, the Zullo is headed to Hawaii to poke around (which was leaked out by the way) and very next day Hawaii decides to send the Hawaii Verification to Bennett.

    Things that happen close to the same time are coincidences by definition. Your issue is to give some evidence that they are not just coincidences. You got any?

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    HistorianDude October 5, 2014 at 9:22 pm #

    Question: Who verified the coding theory promoted by the Cold Case Posse?

    July 17, 2012:

    Zullo: “These codings we learned through our investigation, and then locating the mysterious U.K. Lee, which has plagued this thing for four years, where people were wondering who this is, we located Verna Lee. Verna Lee is 95 years old, amazingly sharp. We spoke with her and she confirms to us what I’m going to share with you now.”

    “You can’t have a document coded like other documents double-checked and have a code that says 9, “not stated” and have a piece of information sitting in the box. That just can’t happen. Verna Lee confirmed that for us.”

    October 4, 2014:

    Zullo: “And for two feverish days Jerry Corsi sent his associate who this woman stayed in the lobby of the CDC for eight hours a day for two days trying to get the answer to this question. On the third day, it was about two and a half hours I believe before the press conference was going to go, at that point in time the “9” code issue was not going to be in it. As fate would have it, Attorney Larry Klayman happened to be in Phoenix so he stopped in wanted to say hello to the sheriff. Larry Klayman, Larry Klayman’s associate, Sheriff Arpaio, myself and Jerry Corsi were all in the conference room when the phone rang from the woman from the CDC. And I have her information, who she is and she’s not a clerk. She’s a highly educated individual. Jerry put her on speaker phone. I remember Jerry sitting there with his fingers crossed. And she confirmed for us that what we were saying and requesting, what the number 9 meant was in fact what it was. He asked her to repeat it. ‘Are you saying this 9 in this box yada-yada-yada means X?’ And she said, ‘Yes.’”

    Discussion: In 2012, there was no mention whatsoever about a CDC verification, or of the mysterious Corsi “associate” that allegedly waited in the CDC lobby for three days to get a verification. It was instead long retired Verna K. Lee who took center stage in the press conference as the external authority who could corroborate the Posse theory. In retrospect it becomes clear that Lee’s alleged verification applies at best only to the process by which coding took place, and not to the specific codes or meanings of codes used in 1961. Zullo made no effort to make that distinction clear.

    Worse, the alleged “CDC verification” now claimed by Zullo two years later apparently entails no actual, tangible CDC verification whatsoever. There is nothing in writing from the CDC. There is no individual from the CDC identified as a source. There is no statement, email, quotation (attributable or otherwise) or even a paraphrase of anybody associated with the CDC providing any information whatsoever, let alone a verification of the 1961 meaning of the “9” code for race, to the Cold Case Posse.

    And of course, most damning is the fact that the actual 1961 CDC coding manual has been found proving that the Posse theory is objectively wrong out of the gate.

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    aarrgghh October 5, 2014 at 10:00 pm #

    nutterbutter @ freeper gulch:

    “… it would have helped everybody including the CCP if they had issued a correction as soon as they found out the mistake and explained how it happened. Mistakes happen, and when they do the best policy is to acknowledge them, apologize, and correct the record so the truth is known.”

    disclaimer: any harm to irony meters as a result of this post has been purely unintentional.

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    RanTalbott October 5, 2014 at 10:32 pm #

    HistorianDude: ‘Are you saying this 9 in this box yada-yada-yada means X?’ And she said, ‘Yes.’

    Well, that definitely proves that the PDF is a forgery, because it doesn’t even have a box marked “yada-yada-yada” on it. 😉

    It does make you wonder why Zullo didn’t mention this lack in his daffydavit, though…

    HistorianDude: There is no statement, email, quotation (attributable or otherwise) or even a paraphrase of anybody associated with the CDC providing any information whatsoever

    Yahbut, many an “official law enforcement investigation” has made use of confidential informants.

    It’s wonderfully ironic that he tried to inflate the stature of his source by saying “she’s not a clerk. She’s a highly educated individual.”, when the clerks who’d coded tens of thousands of BCs would be far more likely to know the codes than the “highly educated individuals” who designed them.

    I believe the use of “yada-yada-yada” is a tell, not a not a cover for forgetfulness: they based their “confirmation” on one question, not on asking for a complete check. If Zullo admits they only asked about the “race” box, he’s only “sloppy” for not verifying everything. But, if he claims he asked about the “business or industry” box, his “source” is exposed as a fake.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater October 5, 2014 at 10:52 pm #

    RanTalbott: I believe the use of “yada-yada-yada” is a tell, not a not a cover for forgetfulness: they based their “confirmation” on one question, not on asking for a complete check. If Zullo admits they only asked about the “race” box, he’s only “sloppy” for not verifying everything. But, if he claims he asked about the “business or industry” box, his “source” is exposed as a fake.

    I doubt they even did that. He probably just had her check if 9 on the document he presented (the 1968 or 1969) meant not stated. They probably didn’t ask if in 1961 the 9 race code meant not stated. This way he could get a confirmation without having it actually be accurate.

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    Paper October 5, 2014 at 10:58 pm #

    Birthers are practically always “poking around”–at least they were during those halcyon days of yore. Any day anyone did anything was a day when some birther somewhere was poking around at something. It’s like finding it interesting that wind blew through the trees and the very next day someone took a drink of water.

    john: That’s true Doc.I just think its coincidence, the Zullo is headed to Hawaii to poke around (which was leaked out by the way) and very next day Hawaii decides to send the Hawaii Verification to Bennett.

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    gorefan October 5, 2014 at 11:03 pm #

    HistorianDude

    Discussion:

    a verification of the 1961 meaning of the “9” code for race

    Zullo also explain the codes the day after the July 17th, 2012.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2BMOw8tqooc

    He appeared to understand that the federal codes are different from the Hawaiian codes.

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    Dr. Conspiracy October 5, 2014 at 11:56 pm #

    And remember, the illustrations Zullo used came not from any manual, but from a birther web site, the Daily Pen, known for faking evidence.

    HistorianDude: And of course, most damning is the fact that the actual 1961 CDC coding manual has been found proving that the Posse theory is objectively wrong out of the gate.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG October 6, 2014 at 12:04 am #

    I really think this will end up being Zullo’s endgame. It gives him the perfect out.
    “We did everything that we could, but birthers doomed the investigation. Its over.”
    I mean, with something like that, he wouldn’t have to explain anything to anybody! Its fool proof! Just chalk the death of the investigation on birthers, and ride off into the sunset.

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    RanTalbott October 6, 2014 at 12:28 am #

    gorefan: He appeared to understand that the federal codes are different from the Hawaiian codes.

    He didn’t the day before: the video Gillar made for him says _only_ that they were coding for the Feds, and that the instruction that clearly says “Race of parents only” also applies to the “business or industry” field.

    Also interesting that he refers to Verna Lee as “U.K. Lee”, and claims he didn’t locate her until after he returned to AZ. And he says he has a tape of the phone conversation. A useful item to demand for discovery if he decides to sue Reilly…

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    nbc October 6, 2014 at 1:55 am #

    john: A kick ass interview by Zullo. He finally did something right for a change.

    Now the next thing would be retirement before he exposes the CCP to more ridicule.

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    nbc October 6, 2014 at 1:56 am #

    john: Senator Marco Rubio certainly knows about it but he is keeping his mouth shut.

    Of course, noone wants to be connected to Arpaio’s ‘investigation’. It’s just too embarrassing, even for Republican tea party members.

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    JPotter October 7, 2014 at 10:52 am #

    Reality Check: The bottom line is Zullo is not very bright.

    No kidding. Reading his quotes .. he tries so hard to sound like a TV lawman, tries to force out so many Big Words (officious sounding wannabe-experty terms), he only produces word salad. He’s incapable of clear communication.

    OK, the root cause is that he has nothing to communicate and is desperately trying to compensate, and his only means to do so is to obfuscate, but if his bulb would only illuminate, better to his intended fibs his marks would relate.

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    Curious George October 8, 2014 at 12:44 pm #

    Very interesting. Zullo has openly spoken about “gas lighting.” Is he practicing what he preaches?

    Here is an excerpt from a recent article about “gas lighting.”

    “Deception is the key to manipulation, and the outcome is confusion and doubt in the target’s mind. A person who knows, trusts and acts on their own judgment is powerful — too powerful for a manipulative person to handle. Instead, gas lighters and manipulative personalities will instill doubt, fear, guilt and shame in another person to get them to abandon their challenge, back down and tow the line. The manipulative person maintains control, at the cost of the other.”

    Hmmmmmm.