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So this person under the name “Calista Dvorak” showed up on YouTube under a 2012 Mark Gillar video, the one with the false statements about race codes on Obama’s birth certificate.

She said she was an expert in digital imaging and that Obama’s birth certificate was a digital forgery. When I asked the standard questions about her qualifications:

I would just ask you simply have you ever even taken a course in electronic forensic document examination? Have you ever taught such a course? Have you ever been employed as a forensic document examiner? Have you been certified in this field by any accredited forensic accreditation organization? Have you ever been qualified by any court as an expert witness in forensic electronic document examination? Have you applied any scientifically recognized methodology in determining that Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery? If you answered yes to ANY of those questions, you would be ahead of every so-called birther expert to appear.

Her response to me (which totally dodged the questions) is one of the most painfully turgid things I have ever read (ellipses in the original):

The essential demand precludes your ancillary details.  A digitally fabricated cartoon, regardless of technical method of production, of an alleged vital record…presented through an undisclosed, undocumented chain of custody…presented through a restricted non-interactive media source controlled only by the perpetrators…lauded by ideologically corrupt accomplices in media, is not an acceptable method for providing verification of, not only the identity of the person, but the actual existence of the original paper document it purports to represent.

In this case, the vital information of an ideologically radical public figure seeking the power of public office has been proffered to that public in the form of cartoon.  Denial of these factual premises is symptomatic of a serious psychopathology.

While your need to cull a pedantic argument without addressing this crux is fascinating, I’m certain you don’t require affirmation to push extraneous explanations in defense of Obama’s lies.   Most Obots don’t.  In fact, as this lie continues to erode, along with the credibility and moral character of this illegitimate administration and the obotic horde, I truly hope that yours is one of the remaining voices among the desolate petitioners arguing in favor of immaterial trinkets like “Xerox Workcentres” and “MRC compression”.

I’ll enjoy witnessing the futility of your sophisticated gewgaw against the righteousness of subsequent wrath.  For example, your promotion of document examination, electronic or otherwise, is futile because there is no document to examine in concert with a documented chain of custody in this case.

Dr. Queiroz?  While I honor the expertise of colleagues, Dr. Queiroz is an equally respected academic who, as a fan of the Tales of Count Lucanor, admits that he has little experience or understanding of vital records management, counterintelligence or, most importantly in this matter, criminology.  Coincidentally, I am personally familiar with Dr. Q’s work through mutual membership with various committees and am pleased to say that we not only share academic and professional qualifications but also the privilege as contributors to a handful of industry standards overlapping our respective fields.  However, we are merely two of many qualified thousands.

However, unfortunately, as proficient as he may be with a scanner, confirmation of arcane theories, provided by foreign galleries, outside appropriate adjudication in this matter (YouTube comments do not qualify) remain subordinate to the need to confront its domestic criminal genesis.   For, I am confident, if prosecution were undertaken and the case brought to the appropriate venue, there are far more qualified experts able to provide essential rationale to the acts, motives and methods for this forgery and deception, than you or Dr. Q.

Unlike most you inaccurately identify and mischaracterize, I am one of few who genuinely desires that Obama not be removed from his current place despite his counterfeit identity.  On the contrary, I would that he to remains perched upon his precarious illegitimacy…as high and as publicly viewable as possible.  The blood-ransomed sovereignty of the office of the U.S. President has been proven strong enough to withstand the assault of such an amateur, as we continue to witness.  Moreover, I am of the rare opinion there is no better place for reconciliation than the seat designated for the most powerful leadership position in the world.  Only upon that prolific mantel can equal action against of the most prolific lie in human history be brought.

For the time being, I will enjoy weighing “feet of clay” arguments promoting office implements and discredited paper Dicks against the emerging truth revealing Obama’s fraudulent identity, and his sociopathic agenda, to the electorate.  Perhaps then, after the eradication of ill-elected overbenders and fake internet doctors from our ranks, we can impress upon a righteous majority, the descendants of those worthier, to address this hideous aberration with the vigor and intellect it demands.

There really is a Calista Dvorak, a neurologist in North Carolina. The same? Not a clue.

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47 Responses to Word salad

  1. avatar
    Pete November 20, 2014 at 9:10 pm #

    Sounds like a half-moron who imagines everyone else is impressed by big words.

    Unfortunately, big words fail to impress people who are actually intelligent. They only impress the lower morons. But hey, it sounds like this guy can do a good job of that. That’s all that’s really required in the birther world, anyway.

    In the same vein:

    http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/

  2. avatar
    Dave B. November 20, 2014 at 9:16 pm #

    Now see, that’s what happens when they let amateurs do it. Here’s how it’s REALLY done:

    “It was a crisp and spicy morning in early October. The lilacs and laburnums, lit with the glory-fires of autumn, hung burning and flashing in the upper air, a fairy bridge provided by kind Nature for the wingless wild things that have their homes in the tree-tops and would visit together; the larch and the pomegranate flung their purple and yellow flames in brilliant broad splashes along the slanting sweep of the woodland; the sensuous fragrance of innumerable deciduous flowers rose upon the swooning atmosphere; far in the empty sky a solitary esophagus slept upon motionless wing; everywhere brooded stillness, serenity, and the peace of God.”

    Mark Twain, from “A Double-Barreled Detective Story.”

  3. avatar
    Thomas Brown November 20, 2014 at 9:59 pm #

    The tell-tale tracks of the Dog-Eared Thesaurus: an overused volume that allows its owner to pretend to be a cross between a god (“theo-“) and a top predator (“-saur”) through the sheer pugnacious garrulousness of his overwrought ruminations.

    I love the smell of deconstruction in the mornng. It smells like baloney.

  4. avatar
    Suranis November 20, 2014 at 10:54 pm #

    I wish I had made Count Lucanor my internet handle. 🙁

  5. avatar
    Lupin November 21, 2014 at 2:21 am #

    And still, it’s only a short step away from Apuzzo.

  6. avatar
    The Magic M November 21, 2014 at 4:19 am #

    Thomas Brown: through the sheer pugnacious garrulousness of his overwrought ruminations

    Append thee, repugnifying defenderer of the usurperation, to the squornshellishly furtheranced nonplusdemnification of my most patriotified excrementerage!

  7. avatar
    roadburner November 21, 2014 at 5:15 am #

    the birther obsession with the PDF continues to amaze me!

    they don’t seem to be able to grasp the simple difference between an image and a hard copy document, but in my line of work i must admit i see similar things coming up.

    by trade, i’m a motorcycle mechanic/builder. this probably explains a lot to you guys why my grammar sucks and my ignorance of computer programming (though i kick ass setting up programmable VFI systems)

    on a regular basis, i get people turn up at my shop saying `my bike is making a funny noise, do you know what’s causing it?’. this is normally followed by a description of the type of noise and where it’s coming from, but as i always tell them, i CANNOT make a diagnosis as to what the problem is without actually having the bike in front of me!

    if another mechanic in the area who i trust has made a diagnosis about what the problem is – a verification if you like – and because they have earnt my trust i’ll accept their diagnosis and give a price for the job

    this is why the constant bullshirt about the PDF bugs me so much – i see the same kind of thing regually and the lack of logic drives me mad!

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    The Magic M November 21, 2014 at 7:19 am #

    roadburner: they don’t seem to be able to grasp the simple difference between an image and a hard copy document

    They are, they just like to play it both ways for propaganda purposes.

    On one hand, they say “this is nothing, I cannot prove who I am with an internet image”.
    On the other hand, they say “this is a forged birth certificate so crimes have been committed”.
    They know there is a difference, they just ignore it depending on what kind of argument they are trying to make (a very basic version of intellectual dishonesty).

    roadburner: but as i always tell them, i CANNOT make a diagnosis as to what the problem is without actually having the bike in front of me

    Mechanic: “What does it sound like?”
    Customer: “It goes like this: Oops, I did it again…”
    Mechanic: “Well then, either it’s your mobile ringing while stuffed into the exhaust pipe or you’ve got Britney Spears trapped in your tank. Either way, your bike is fine.”

    😉

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    JPotter November 21, 2014 at 7:30 am #

    If you ever stub your toe on one, I can assure you that a Xerox WorkCentre (at least he spelled it right! 😀 ) is anything but immaterial, or a mere trinket.

    He’s somewhat right about MRC compression though. It’s downright ethereal. Trinket though? I guess, if you put the code on a USB drive 😛

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    OllieOxenFree November 21, 2014 at 7:50 am #

    I am not entirely certain of this, but I believe that “Calista” is typically a woman’s name.

    In a post by this person on the YouTube video, this quote…

    “Finally, rather than overwhelm you with information about personal academic, professional and forensic qualifications, you would be better served by some words of advice, from one qualified woman of faith to an alleged expert.”

    … suggests to me that she is indeed a woman.

    That said, typically experts avoid pejorative statements, which this person seems to be unable to contain, making her an ideologue and not very academic or professional at all.

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    Paul November 21, 2014 at 9:55 am #

    That made my brain hurt

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    DaddyBeerest November 21, 2014 at 10:09 am #

    OllieOxenFree:
    I am not entirely certain of this, but I believe that “Calista” is typically a woman’s name.

    In a post by this person on the YouTube video, this quote…

    “Finally, rather than overwhelm you with information about personal academic, professional and forensic qualifications, you would be better served by some words of advice, from one qualified woman of faith to an alleged expert.”

    … suggests to me that she is indeed a woman.

    That said, typically experts avoid pejorative statements, which this person seems to be unable to contain, making her an ideologue and not very academic or professional at all.

    And this quote shows “she” is directly in the middle of this and may explain….well her mental condition.

    “Thank you for providing a link to a document, which was revised 10 days after Obama’s birth (see the front cover), which we provided in paper form to the CCP investigation in 2011…and which is missing 9 pages.”

  13. avatar
    Curious George November 21, 2014 at 10:26 am #

    A close, family member of Nancy Owens?

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater November 21, 2014 at 10:53 am #

    OllieOxenFree: you would be better served by some words of advice, from one qualified woman of faith to an alleged expert.

    Well isn’t that the rub? This person thinks faith that what they’re claiming is true trumps knowledge of what is true.

  15. avatar
    Nancy R Owens November 21, 2014 at 10:57 am #

    Ignoring the first half of his letter, I agree with the last few paragraphs. If that is, in fact, the plan which, as I read it, are exposing the lies of Reagan, Bush, Sr/Jr, Clinton, etc. (Carter, Nixon, etc. were before my time and, as we all know, no one can rely on political history for facts).

    However, as the 1985 forger of Obama’s birth certificate, I happen to know better.

    H/t: Cuba

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    Nancy R Owens November 21, 2014 at 11:42 am #

    I have a YouTube video titled: “PDF vs PAPER.” I know exactly, and I do mean exactly, where you are coming from. How can we win a war when we can’t get the sheeple to understand this one simple concept?

    It’s like the frogs of truth and lies guarding the door. Truth=Paper and Lies=PDF.

    Since the PDF file is the only thing submitted, it’s the only door that can be chosen and it is a lie (D’Alessandro family).

    Truth: My name is Nancy Ruth Owens and I forged the PAPER birth certificate for my half-brother, aka “Obama,” in 1985 for the Medellin Cartel.

    roadburner:
    the birther obsession with the PDF continues to amaze me!

    they don’t seem to be able to grasp the simple difference between an image and a hard copy document, but in my line of work i must admit i see similar things coming up.

    by trade, i’m a motorcycle mechanic/builder. this probably explains a lot to you guys why my grammar sucks and my ignorance of computer programming (though i kick ass setting up programmable VFI systems)

    on a regular basis, i get people turn up at my shop saying `my bike is making a funny noise, do you know what’s causing it?’. this is normally followed by a description of the type of noise and where it’s coming from, but as i always tell them, i CANNOT make a diagnosis as to what the problem is without actually having the bike in front of me!

    if another mechanic in the area who i trust has made a diagnosis about what the problem is – a verification if you like – and because they have earnt my trust i’ll accept their diagnosis and give a price for the job

    this is why the constant bullshirt about the PDF bugs me so much – i see the same kind of thing regually and the lack of logic drives me mad!

  17. avatar
    Arthur B. November 21, 2014 at 2:55 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: Since the PDF file is the only thing submitted…

    Hardly. The PDF has not been submitted to any decision-making body — as we know, it would not be an appropriate piece of evidence to establish the President’s birth data.

    On the other hand, the Letters of Verification are indeed paper documents and are prima facie evidence of the relevant data, and they have been submitted in at least three proceedings.

    While some birthers have offered vague complaints about the wording in the letters, I haven’t seen any challenges to their authenticity, and they remain unrebutted.

  18. avatar
    Nancy R Owens November 21, 2014 at 4:33 pm #

    I forged the birth certificates in 1985 and we murdered the Hawaiian family of the real “Obama” in 1985. Period. Any document from Hawaii verifying that he is legit is fraudulent. Period. Hawaii is lying and I am telling the truth. Period.

    Arthur B.: Hardly. The PDF has not been submitted to any decision-making body — as we know, it would not be an appropriate piece of evidence to establish the President’s birth data.

    On the other hand, the Letters of Verification are indeed paper documents and are prima facie evidence of the relevant data, and they have been submitted in at least three proceedings.

    While some birthers have offered vague complaints about the wording in the letters, I haven’t seen any challenges to their authenticity, and they remain unrebutted.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater November 21, 2014 at 5:00 pm #

    Nancy R Owens:
    I forged the birth certificates in 1985 and we murdered the Hawaiian family of the real “Obama” in 1985. Period. Any document from Hawaii verifying that he is legit is fraudulent. Period. Hawaii is lying and I am telling the truth. Period.

    So now you’re back to claiming you forged both the short and long form again? Hawaii is telling the truth. You’re a nutjob.

  20. avatar
    Arthur B. November 21, 2014 at 5:28 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: I forged the birth certificates in 1985 and we murdered the Hawaiian family of the real “Obama” in 1985. Period. Any document from Hawaii verifying that he is legit is fraudulent. Period. Hawaii is lying and I am telling the truth. Period.

    LOL, “Period.” Three times.

    I guess that’s your way of saying, don’t bother me with facts. It’s the truth because I say it’s the truth.

    Do you know, the real world doesn’t work like that?

  21. avatar
    Nancy R Owens November 21, 2014 at 5:38 pm #

    @Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

    And, you completely ignored the “murdered” part? Interesting.

  22. avatar
    Arthur November 21, 2014 at 5:45 pm #

    Nancy R Owens:Period. Period. Period.

    So you’re saying it was PMS?

  23. avatar
    Nancy R Owens November 21, 2014 at 6:50 pm #

    *slaps forehead and groans* Had to dig deep for that one, did ya?

    Arthur: So you’re saying it was PMS?

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater November 21, 2014 at 8:32 pm #

    Nancy R Owens:
    @Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

    And, you completely ignored the “murdered” part? Interesting.

    No the murder part is wrapped up in you being a nutjob.

  25. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater November 21, 2014 at 8:33 pm #

    Nancy R Owens:
    *slaps forehead and groans* Had to dig deep for that one, did ya?

    Not as deep as you have to dig to tie every famous person into your conspiracy theories.

  26. avatar
    Kate November 22, 2014 at 2:03 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Not as deep as you have to dig to tie every famous person into your conspiracy theories.

    Nancy can’t talk her way out of this fairy tale. She told you on air that they picked the name Obama out of the Bible. Now she’s pretending there was a family by that name that they used for the birth certificates, plural, that she allegedly forged. There was no short form certificate in 1985 and she only talked about the long form in the very beginning of her spinning these nutty stories.

    I found it really disturbing when watching one of her videos to see that she has a younger child at home. There is no way this woman should be allowed near any children. WTF is wrong with her family?!

  27. avatar
    Slartibartfast November 22, 2014 at 7:00 am #

    The frogs of truth?

    Nancy R Owens:
    I have a YouTube video titled: “PDF vs PAPER.” I know exactly, and I do mean exactly, where you are coming from. How can we win a war when we can’t get the sheeple to understand this one simple concept?

    It’s like the frogs of truth and lies guarding the door. Truth=Paper and Lies=PDF.

    Since the PDF file is the only thing submitted, it’s the only door that can be chosen and it is a lie (D’Alessandro family).

    Truth: My name is Nancy Ruth Owens and I forged the PAPER birth certificate for my half-brother, aka “Obama,” in 1985 for the Medellin Cartel.

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    Arthur November 22, 2014 at 7:31 am #

    Kate: I found it really disturbing when watching one of her videos to see that she has a younger child at home. There is no way this woman should be allowed near any children. WTF is wrong with her family?!

    At least 25 percent of Americans who are running around right now, if one examined their private lives, should be in a hospital, jail, or mental institution.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater November 22, 2014 at 10:11 am #

    Kate: Nancy can’t talk her way out of this fairy tale.She told you on air that they picked the name Obama out of the Bible.Now she’s pretending there was a family by that name that they used for the birth certificates, plural, that she allegedly forged.There was no short form certificate in 1985 and she only talked about the long form in the very beginning of her spinning these nutty stories.

    I found it really disturbing when watching one of her videos to see that she has a younger child at home.There is no way this woman should be allowed near any children.WTF is wrong with her family?!

    Actually on reality check radio she talked about the short form. several times in the chatroom she did the same. that was when she told us she couldn’t remember what name she put on it. she also claimed she signed Ann Dunhams name despite there being no signatures.

  30. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 22, 2014 at 11:16 am #

    A shame you weren’t around for our Vogon poetry contest.

    The Magic M: Append thee, repugnifying defenderer of the usurperation, to the squornshellishly furtheranced nonplusdemnification of my most patriotified excrementerage!

  31. avatar
    Nancy R Owens November 22, 2014 at 11:38 am #

    The name “Obama” was chosen because it was in the Bible and because there were a ton of families by that name in the Hawaiian files. *grin* In the talks and chat, I said I couldn’t remember any first or middle name for the fake Obama certs.

    His real name I cannot remember. “Wayne” is one that keeps coming to mind but it is not solid yet. “Allen” is his middle name of that I am certain.

    I signed the long form with the “Stanley” name. As you can hear by playing the whole audio, I was NEVER given a chance to speak so this “interview” is a mute point.

    The only ones who want to shut you up are the ones who don’t want you to clarify the previous statements. Let’s not forget, the mailman is from Clewiston, Florida. The mailman is a witness and what you think really doesn’t matter in light of that.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Actually on reality check radio she talked about the short form.several times in the chatroom she did the same.that was when she told us she couldn’t remember what name she put on it.she also claimed she signed Ann Dunhams name despite there being no signatures.

  32. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater November 22, 2014 at 12:01 pm #

    Doc I had totally forgotten that I ran into her about a month ago. Here’s what she claimed then:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGhvw3rvAVc

    “The vital statistics coding numbers in 1961 were assigned for the entire decade beginning with the 1960 Census. Census data was gathered in April, 1960 but was not published as an official Census Report until 6-8 months later, depending on regional completion of the census. Hawaii, at that time was the Western Region, which was catalogued, processed and published sometime in early spring of 1961 in the Los Angeles regional census office. Hawaii census takers collected more than 488,000 census schedules (data cards) from people living in Hawaii in 1961. Overall, this means that coding from the previous decade (1951-1960), until the next census, was used for the first nearly year and a half of the 1960s decade which meant that coding manuals were updated only after the census data was certified and published. This update process prevented the 1961 coding manual from being made available to the general public because the updates for that year came in the form of an amended version or appendix, not a new version, unlike 1962 vital statistics coding manuals.

    The 1968 coding manual displayed by the Cold Case Posse during its 2md press conference DOES INDEED show the same coding which would have been used on Obama’s birth certificate, if he were born in the state of Hawaii in August of 1961, and which was not published in formal coding manual form, and which is several months after the amendment to the coding manual based on the 1960 census data. The code number 9 in the Father’s Race entry box meant “not stated” on a birth certificate for August 1961.”

    “Thank you for providing a link to a document, which was revised 10 days after Obama’s birth (see the front cover), which we provided in paper form to the CCP investigation in 2011…and which is missing 9 pages.

    Hence representing the competence level of most failed Obama advocates. I need not present details beyond this.

    As a suggestion for future correspondence, it would likely be beneficial to have knowledge of the identity and expertise of the individuals with whom you are conversing before leveling pathetic and ignorant attacks”

    She claimed that she provided the document to Zullo. If she provided it why then did they only use the daily pen images during the press conference?

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater November 22, 2014 at 12:02 pm #

    Here’s some more of her nonsense. Nowhere before did she claim she had an expertise.

    Calista Dvorak says:

    Sep 24, 2014 – “It appears that Pete and Larry have no other objective than to bizarrely heckle a messenger. Why all the Kool-aiding Peter? I was under the impression beginning in 2008 that we were all on the same side of this issue…to discover the truth about the most prolific liar and biggest fraud in American history while defending the value of the blood ransom paid throughout American history. Is it really too far afield in your mind to extend the benefit of the doubt to someone, like yourself, who has been bird dogging this issue for years? I am surprised and disappointed in your tact here, Peter. Badly done…badly done indeed.”

    Calista Dvorak says:

    “The fact that he was from Kenya…and the fact that when he was elected there were expectations on the African continent…” So, after letting the truth slip her hole, her back track was that it was Obama’s alleged father, who was from Kenya, who therefore was supposed to fulfill expectations on the African continent? Didn’t Obama Sr die like 30 years ago? What expectations could she mean for a dead guy from Kenya? I particularly enjoy the Fox hosts as they shuckle at it as a “mistake”. This is not a mistake on the part of the liars at MSNBC. They’ve known the truth since 2004. Too late for more lies, though. The store houses of wrath are collapsing and the weight of the truth about this insidious fraudulent degenerate is beginning to seep from the orifices of the lying media horde. Jansing, like her media co-whores (Fox Ewes included), is a liar and a tool of the liberal scourge. May God’s mercy prevail for the innocent as wrath comes upon these deceivers and willful fools. In the name of Christ, I pray for justice…and mercy.”

    Calista Dvorak says:

    “One lie by a selfish regime seeking to implement a hateful agenda against ghosts of history will cause the world to descend into hell. The pain, loss and anguish will be unbearable. The consequences of believing and defending this deception will be horrific. So unimaginable. And, most importantly, those who suffer will find themselves in teeth-gnashing circumstances that, by their own dissonance and intellectual failure to face the truth about Obama’s illicit identity, will foolishly think they are being persecuted by unrelated assailments. However, upon conviction, when understood in full revelation, the punishment will be upheld by preeminent authority as a direct and righteous retaliation. The world, and all in it, will suffer because of this deception.”

    “This is very disheartening and discouraging for those of us who voted for Obama. To hear such inflammatory hatred from the New Black Panther party, whose very leader has said, “Obama will bring historical justice for all blacks”, a group whose members were willing to violate federal law to stand armed in front of polling places to prevent white people from voting in 2008, and now see them turn against our Obama. Turn against our messiah. So sad. So untoward. And…so predictable. All rage…no intelligence. All hate…no logic. I never thought I would see the day when the New Black Panther party would not only support the birther movement…but actually join it. Wow. Just utterly wow.” 

    Calista Dvorak says:

    “It was established long before Obama was ensconced in 2008 that he was not professionally qualified to hold the office of president, Mark. Duh. You act like this is some kind of novel declaration on your part. The so-called birthers were the first to bring the theories, facts and evidence of Obama’s secret identity to the national consciousness, along with the evidence that also strongly suggests that he is not legally eligible to hold any office, let alone the president’s, as well. Look, we all know you have a hard-on for defending the constitutionality of all things federally institutionalized in America, as if all forms of any kind of degenerate government must therefore be legitimate if your bosses and corporate sponsors say it is. Pretty pathetic. Great One, my ass. Your nothing more than conservative shill for broken mammon. You betray the blood ransom of your ancestors by remaining passive to Obama’s usurpation.”

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    Kate November 22, 2014 at 4:25 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Actually on reality check radio she talked about the short form.several times in the chatroom she did the same.that was when she told us she couldn’t remember what name she put on it.she also claimed she signed Ann Dunhams name despite there being no signatures.

    I just went back and listened to the show I was referring to, it doesn’t reference the short form except when you and Dr. Tuttle were trying to remind her that President Obama did show that in ’08 during the campaign. NRO doesn’t actually say that she was referring to the LFBC except she was talking about having Hawaiian phone books at hand to fill out addresses correctly. That’s why I associated what she was talking about with the LFBC as there aren’t any signatures or addresses on the short form. I didn’t realize that she was so stupid as to try to claim the forgery of a form that wasn’t even available in 1985. I wasn’t on chat so I don’t know what was said about the short form vs. LFBC. I remember that after that appearance, she later said that because she made a mistake on the short form, that someone else did the LFBC. I thought you did a great job of questioning her and revealing all her lies. Was she on RC’s show more than once?

    The entirety of her call is a great example of how she tries to divert attention when you bring up things that she has no answer for by talking about an off topic subject. What it all comes down to is that Nancy is a delusional nutcase. She also talks about Pell grants as if they were initially instituted under Reagan. She has quite a habit of making up her own alleged facts to fit her fairy tales. Unfortunately for her, the only people who may believe her are as looney as she is!

  35. avatar
    Nancy R Owens November 22, 2014 at 4:40 pm #

    The LFBC has the “doctor’s” signature. Those have been around for a very, very long time. You are the one who is delusional.

    Kate: I just went back and listened to the show I was referring to, it doesn’t reference the short form except when you and Dr. Tuttle were trying to remind her that President Obama did show that in ’08 during the campaign.NRO doesn’t actually say that she was referring to the LFBC except she was talking about having Hawaiian phone books at hand to fill out addresses correctly.That’s why I associated what she was talking about with the LFBC as there aren’t any signatures or addresses on the short form. I didn’t realize that she was so stupid as to try to claim the forgery of a form that wasn’t even available in 1985. I wasn’t on chat so I don’t know what was said about the short form vs. LFBC.I remember that after that appearance, she later said that because she made a mistake on the short form, that someone else did the LFBC.I thought you did a great job of questioning her and revealing all her lies.Was she on RC’s show more than once?

    The entirety of her call is a great example of how she tries to divert attention when you bring up things that she has no answer for by talking about an off topic subject.What it all comes down to is that Nancy is a delusional nutcase.She also talks about Pell grants as if they were initially instituted under Reagan.She has quite a habit of making up her own alleged facts to fit her fairy tales.Unfortunately for her, the only people who may believe her are as looney as she is!

  36. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 22, 2014 at 6:07 pm #

    Did Nancy disclose any detail on the LFBC before it became public? Hmmm?

  37. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater November 22, 2014 at 6:24 pm #

    hmmm doc for some reason it keeps defaulting me to the mobile mode even after I click desktop, change browsers, clear cache etc…

  38. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater November 22, 2014 at 6:33 pm #

    Kate: The entirety of her call is a great example of how she tries to divert attention when you bring up things that she has no answer for by talking about an off topic subject. What it all comes down to is that Nancy is a delusional nutcase. She also talks about Pell grants as if they were initially instituted under Reagan. She has quite a habit of making up her own alleged facts to fit her fairy tales. Unfortunately for her, the only people who may believe her are as looney as she is!

    That’s what she does. She tries to change the subject any time you ask her the simplest of details she can’t answer. Any detail she hasn’t thought about yet she has no answer for. For example she keeps making the claim that she took these photos: http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1866765,00.html

    When pointed out that Lisa Jack took them in 1980 while Obama was at Columbia she then tried to post as proof that she took them a credit she had as a photoeditor for her community college newspaper many years later. Somehow she thinks that just because she was a photo editor that it proves she specifically took those photos. It has no relation to what she claimed. She claimed she had the negatives of the photos as well. When asked to present the negatives she claimed they were on her “cell phone” and that it hadn’t charged.

    As for her claims about the BC. I remember the show and the chatroom and her subsequent claims in the chat. She claimed to having created the short form in 1985 so that Obama could go to school based on some weird claim about pell grants. The problem being that Obama had already graduated from Columbia before the supposed need for the BC. She then switched to claiming the long form.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater November 22, 2014 at 6:35 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: The LFBC has the “doctor’s” signature. Those have been around for a very, very long time. You are the one who is delusional.

    What does the dr signature have anything to do with what Kate said? You originally claimed you did the short form and signed ann’s signature which wasn’t on the short form. The short form which you originally claimed hasn’t been around for all those years. So again you’re the one who can’t keep up with your own lies.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater November 22, 2014 at 6:35 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Did Nancy disclose any detail on the LFBC before it became public? Hmmm?

    No she never did.

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    Nancy R Owens November 22, 2014 at 6:49 pm #

    It all comes down to the mailman who was a witness to the selective service card and grant applications. I see no reason to continue this when it’s clear that RC did not give me the opportunity to speak freely. I know very specific details about those forms that few others know. I know about the murdered family in Hawaii and there are only two others who ever had that knowledge. It will come together with little opposition.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: What does the dr signature have anything to do with what Kate said?You originally claimed you did the short form and signed ann’s signature which wasn’t on the short form.The short form which you originally claimed hasn’t been around for all those years.So again you’re the one who can’t keep up with your own lies.

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    Keith November 22, 2014 at 7:19 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: She claimed she had the negatives of the photos as well. When asked to present the negatives she claimed they were on her “cell phone” and that it hadn’t charged.

    Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

    Once she gets her phone charged, she’ll find that her scanner is out of toner.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater November 22, 2014 at 7:31 pm #

    Keith: Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

    Once she gets her phone charged, she’ll find that her scanner is out of toner.

    Yep and she’ll need to change her blinker fluid.

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    bgansel9 November 22, 2014 at 9:04 pm #

    Oh, come on, I can read it. Look:

    “The essential demand precludes your ancillary details.” – that means “Eff you!”

    “A digitally fabricated cartoon, regardless of technical method of production, of an alleged vital record…presented through an undisclosed, undocumented chain of custody…presented through a restricted non-interactive media source controlled only by the perpetrators…lauded by ideologically corrupt accomplices in media, is not an acceptable method for providing verification of, not only the identity of the person, but the actual existence of the original paper document it purports to represent.” – that means “I’m a conspiracy theorist”

    “In this case, the vital information of an ideologically radical public figure seeking the power of public office has been proffered to that public in the form of cartoon. Denial of these factual premises is symptomatic of a serious psychopathology.” – that means “Obama’s a crazy and dangerous Kenyan.”

    “While your need to cull a pedantic argument without addressing this crux is fascinating, I’m certain you don’t require affirmation to push extraneous explanations in defense of Obama’s lies. Most Obots don’t. In fact, as this lie continues to erode, along with the credibility and moral character of this illegitimate administration and the obotic horde, I truly hope that yours is one of the remaining voices among the desolate petitioners arguing in favor of immaterial trinkets like “Xerox Workcentres” and “MRC compression”.” – that means “How dare you not agree with me that Obama’s a crazy and dangerous Kenyan!”

    “I’ll enjoy witnessing the futility of your sophisticated gewgaw against the righteousness of subsequent wrath. For example, your promotion of document examination, electronic or otherwise, is futile because there is no document to examine in concert with a documented chain of custody in this case.” – that means “we’re going to win this in the end and your day of reckoning is coming”

    “Dr. Queiroz? While I honor the expertise of colleagues, Dr. Queiroz is an equally respected academic who, as a fan of the Tales of Count Lucanor, admits that he has little experience or understanding of vital records management, counterintelligence or, most importantly in this matter, criminology. Coincidentally, I am personally familiar with Dr. Q’s work through mutual membership with various committees and am pleased to say that we not only share academic and professional qualifications but also the privilege as contributors to a handful of industry standards overlapping our respective fields. However, we are merely two of many qualified thousands.” – that means “Look, I can namedrop and everything”

    “However, unfortunately, as proficient as he may be with a scanner, confirmation of arcane theories, provided by foreign galleries, outside appropriate adjudication in this matter (YouTube comments do not qualify) remain subordinate to the need to confront its domestic criminal genesis. For, I am confident, if prosecution were undertaken and the case brought to the appropriate venue, there are far more qualified experts able to provide essential rationale to the acts, motives and methods for this forgery and deception, than you or Dr. Q.” – that means “we haven’t gotten Obama yet because nobody has taken my suggestion of suing him for not being legitimate and if that were done, a jury will obviously convict him – I mean, how could they NOT?”

    “Unlike most you inaccurately identify and mischaracterize, I am one of few who genuinely desires that Obama not be removed from his current place despite his counterfeit identity. On the contrary, I would that he to remains perched upon his precarious illegitimacy…as high and as publicly viewable as possible. The blood-ransomed sovereignty of the office of the U.S. President has been proven strong enough to withstand the assault of such an amateur, as we continue to witness. Moreover, I am of the rare opinion there is no better place for reconciliation than the seat designated for the most powerful leadership position in the world. Only upon that prolific mantel can equal action against of the most prolific lie in human history be brought.” – that means “I hate Obama so much I want him to suffer the harshest ridicule and have the people throw knives at him when he’s frogmarched out of the White House and driven to the penitentiary.”

    “For the time being, I will enjoy weighing “feet of clay” arguments promoting office implements and discredited paper Dicks against the emerging truth revealing Obama’s fraudulent identity, and his sociopathic agenda, to the electorate. Perhaps then, after the eradication of ill-elected overbenders and fake internet doctors from our ranks, we can impress upon a righteous majority, the descendants of those worthier, to address this hideous aberration with the vigor and intellect it demands.” this means “Any day now!”

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    Kate November 22, 2014 at 11:07 pm #

    bgansel9: “Dr. Queiroz? While I honor the expertise of colleagues, Dr. Queiroz is an equally respected academic who, as a fan of the Tales of Count Lucanor, admits that he has little experience or understanding of vital records management, counterintelligence or, most importantly in this matter, criminology. Coincidentally, I am personally familiar with Dr. Q’s work through mutual membership with various committees and am pleased to say that we not only share academic and professional qualifications but also the privilege as contributors to a handful of industry standards overlapping our respective fields. However, we are merely two of many qualified thousands.” – that means “Look, I can namedrop and everything”

    The fields of criminology, vital records management and counterintelligence, despite not being experienced in them, do not change the facts that Dr. Quieroz brought forth regarding the LFBC scan. I don’t see any facts regarding the scan of the LFBC by Dvorak just an overabundance of word salad that means absolutely nothing in regards to the reality of the LFBC. I also don’t see Dvorak disputing what Quieroz said with her alleged knowledge nor do I see her providing a CV that contains proof that she has the right to refer to him as a colleague. She comes across as no more knowlegeable than any of the faux experts provided by RWNJ’s who claimed they “knew” the scan was a forgery before they ever studied it. In other words, she either needs to put up or shut up.

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    Kate November 22, 2014 at 11:29 pm #

    Nancy R Owens:
    The LFBC has the “doctor’s” signature. Those have been around for a very, very long time. You are the one who is delusional.

    WTF does the doctor’s signature have to do with anything I said? Nothing! Typical diversion tactics aren’t going to fly here, Nancy. Take your b.s. stories and run along, go play with the other birthers. As for several Obama families being in Hawaii, that’s b.s., too, as quickly revealed by a search of genealogy records for ALL the Hawaiian islands. In fact, there was only one family by that name found in Hawaii and that would be Barack Obama’s. You are so stupid as to think that people will easily follow your stories, believing anything that you say, despite the fact that you’ve been told repeatedly by hundreds of people that they think you’re nuts, insane, crazy, etc.

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    bgansel9 November 23, 2014 at 4:48 pm #

    Kate: She comes across as no more knowlegeable than any of the faux experts provided by RWNJ’s who claimed they “knew” the scan was a forgery before they ever studied it. In other words, she either needs to put up or shut up.

    That’s why I called it namedropping. She was just trying to sound smart, while denouncing this person who she acted as if she is associated with through “mutual membership with various committees.”