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Persona non grata at WND

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I went back over my Disqus profile to see what might have triggered WND’s ban.

Here are the last few with the most recent first.

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The information about Washington came from the New England Historical and Genealogical Register – January 1857 No. 1. and Notes and Queries, 1857. And yes, I found the images of those works on the Internet.

When researching "on the Internet" it’s important to consider the authority of the source, in this case it was historical documentation scanned by Google Books.

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There is nothing "Christian" about the birther movement. It is based on racism, bigotry, political smears and mental defects (different strokes for different folks). What ever your particular defect, birtherism is founded on lies and character assassination (as you just did for the 6 experts, 3 of whom were hired by WND).

We could add a less credentialed expert, John Woodman, who is a Tea Party Republican, but with integrity. He wrote a book, showing the forgery claims were bunk.

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Dreams from My Father sold 4,650,000 copies.

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Dual citizenship is not unusual for US Presidents. Some countries grant citizenship to the grandchildren of their citizens. I am really not concerned by whatever quirks there are in the laws of some other country. They shouldn’t be able to restrict who we can elect as our president.

James Madison, the principal author of the Constitution, was a dual citizen of France, actually accepting the honor before he became president. Washington was also a dual citizen of France. Eisenhower could have been claimed by Germany until he took up arms against them. Of course, Chester A. Arthur’s father was an Irish subject when the President was born.

Teddy Roosevelt wrote a book in which he mentioned the "dual citizenship" of several historical figures, including President Arthur, in an essay rejecting the notion that the United States should recognize such a thing as dual citizenship. He said we should totally reject such foreign claims on our citizens. The book is "Fear God and Take Your Own Part."

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I’ve never known birthers to raise a crowd big enough to make it worth my while to drive to Atlanta. How about as an alternative we debate live on Internet Radio. I’m sure one of the shows would host it.

But I warn you, you would end up looking very foolish.

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Barry Soetoro. Barry is a nickname, like Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Ike Eisenhower. Soetoro was his stepfather’s name, and he went by it for a few years when he lived in Indonesia with him.

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Barack Obama published Dreams from My Father in 1995. The nationality of Obama’s father was in a best-selling book–hardly a secret.

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You know, there was a rumor going around after his death that George Washington had been born in England. It was in the papers. The story was that Martha Washington birthed him in England and then rushed back to the United States to register his birth in Virginia.

I didn’t believe it until I looked it up.

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The Obama Foreign Exchange Student story was an April Fools Joke, April 1, 2009. There has never been ANYTHING to indicate Obama was ever a foreign exchange student anywhere.

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Well, you came up with nothing, but just to show you what a good sport I am:

Ivan Zatkovich – Professional electronic document, has testified in multiple court cases.

Dr. Ricardo de Queiroz of the University of Brazil – former research scientist for Xerox and the holder of patents on document compression.

Dr. Neal Krawetz – security expert and expert in electronic document alteration detection. Has authored software to detect alteration.

The other three are Pex. Broyhill, and Coburn. All three run data analysis companies and are considered experts in the field.

WND writer Aaron Klein, read the reports of Pex, Broyhill and Zatkovich, and concluded, speaking on his WABC radio show May 1, 2011:

"But let’s put that aside.[22:03] It would have to be a massive conspiracy, and I don’t want to get into that, that the State of Hawaii was involved in, in order to fake this document. I believe that this document is absolutely real. There is no evidence that it is not. And there would have to be a grand, crazy conspiracy for the State of Hawaii to be involved in faking a birth certificate. I don’t want to even get into that on this program."

So you see, this whole forgery thing is just the blind leading the blind.

I think what they were not ready to allow was my comment about Aaron Klein and the document experts he and WND hired. I get the impression that anything with the string “WND” in it goes into automatic moderation. I have never published the extended transcript of Klein’s WABC radio program on May 1, 2011 up until now where Klein basically says that the experts find no smoking gun of forgery in the President’s birth certificate PDF. That transcript has also been added to the menus under Bookmarks | Transcripts. Loren sent me a link to that show some years ago, and I made the transcript.

WND, you can’t handle the truth.

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27 Responses to Persona non grata at WND

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    alg January 29, 2015 at 12:59 am #

    I was banned at WND a long time ago. They simply won’t tolerate the dispassionate presentation of facts and information that makes their articles and authors appear uniformed and wrong. That’s a funny thing for a self-described “newspaper,” supposedly dedicated to the freedom of expression, to do.

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    Terry K. January 29, 2015 at 1:00 am #

    No, they can’t. Welcome to the club of people banned from WND’s forums for posting facts. (I’m a member as well.)

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    Lupin January 29, 2015 at 2:08 am #

    I have been banned by ALL the right-wing sites where I dared explain what Vattel wrote, some with (meaningless) insults. My posts have been deleted. They just cannot tolerate an informed opinion that runs counter to their silly gospel.

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    John Reilly January 29, 2015 at 2:09 am #

    Perhaps Geir Smith will tell WND that’s banning folks like DR. C is not the way to debate.

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    Gerry January 29, 2015 at 9:04 am #

    Factual statements just have no place in the WND echo chamber.

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    AGROD January 29, 2015 at 11:07 am #

    WND will be a great historical example of what happened to America when we voted a black man to the Presidency. Of course by 2017 when we are not in FEMA camps, WND is going to look very silly.

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    Dave B. January 29, 2015 at 11:10 am #

    I’ve been fooling around at a site called “The Right Scoop.” First thing I did was point out that the Naturalization Act of 1940 they were using as a reference for Ted Cruz’s citizenship was repealed in 1952. Guy identified as a moderator came on and said something like it would still stand unless it was specifically repealed, so I cited the subsection of the INA specifically repealing it. Because when we say something, that’s what we do. Things went downhill from there– he ended up butting in to a perfectly reasonable discussion I was having with another fellow there and threatening to shut me down. I didn’t get banned, but who needs that kind of aggravation?

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 29, 2015 at 11:17 am #

    WND already looks very silly.

    AGROD: Of course by 2017 when we are not in FEMA camps, WND is going to look very silly.

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    Bob January 29, 2015 at 12:18 pm #

    I see WND as a store that sells crap to sad shut-ins and/or conspiracy-minded Wingnuts. The store furnishings are their “articles.” Sane discussion upsets the customers so they just can’t allow it.

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 29, 2015 at 1:19 pm #

    This article has been updated with the comments that got me banned.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG January 29, 2015 at 1:30 pm #

    That would be like banning a sport’s team from a particular stadium, because they utterly destroyed the other team.
    This will rightfully go into moderation, because of the use of a certain word, but I feel that the word really fits here. WND is run by a little chickenshit, who fancies himself a journalist.

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    Boobuns January 29, 2015 at 8:48 pm #

    alg:
    I was banned at WND a long time ago.They simply won’t tolerate the dispassionate presentation of facts and information that makes their articles and authors appear uniformed and wrong.That’s a funny thing for a self-described “newspaper,” supposedly dedicated to the freedom of expression, to do.

    Ditto here. They get really upset when people try to explain that the President of the United States of America is an American. If I remember right they banned me shortly after I quoted the US Constitution, the part about eligibility for POTUS and VPOTUS.

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    Keith January 29, 2015 at 8:54 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    This article has been updated with the comments that got me banned.

    Your comment about nicknames left out ‘Jack’ Kennedy, ‘Dick’ Nixon, and ‘Ronnie’ Reagan. Shame on you. Your lack of completeness is undoubtedly what got you banned.

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    Dave B. January 29, 2015 at 9:40 pm #

    It really, really cracked me up when Nick Purpura and Ted Moran tried to convince Jeff Masin that there was something fishy about Barry Obama’s name.

    Keith: Your comment about nicknames left out ‘Jack’ Kennedy, ‘Dick’ Nixon, and ‘Ronnie’ Reagan. Shame on you. Your lack of completeness is undoubtedly what got you banned.

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    wrecking ball January 29, 2015 at 9:55 pm #

    Keith: … and ‘Ronnie’ Reagan.quote>

    that would be “dutch”… how do we know he wasn’t born in the nederlands?

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    Keith January 30, 2015 at 12:17 am #

    wrecking ball:

    Or Holland!

    Excellent point. You are banned from something or the other – you’ll find out what when you least expect it.

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    J. Edward Tremlett January 30, 2015 at 12:19 am #

    Not surprising. I got kicked off of Frontpage Magazine’s “Discover the Networks” blog, appropriately called Moonbat Central, quite some time ago. then-moderator Richard Poe didn’t like the fact that I kept gently speaking truth to his power and, as soon as I gave him an excuse, out I went.

    These people don’t want to hear the truth. They want a nice, warm echo chamber.

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    Craig HS January 30, 2015 at 3:26 am #

    Check out Loren’s farewell post at Barackryphal for more fun and games with what WND will and won’t allow, especially from anonymous article submissions!

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    JPotter January 31, 2015 at 8:50 am #

    “WND, you can’t handle the truth.”

    Well,duh. Nothing about them indicates that’s a priority of theirs. All truthiness, all the time … at best.

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    Adrien Nash February 1, 2015 at 11:55 pm #

    What is more inauthentic than a supposed truth-seeker who is a truth suppressor and hypocrite?
    I have gotten the same sorts of responses across the web from people who believe erroneous doctrines that can’t stand up to close scrutiny. They don’t care that what I’ve discovered and shared is equally disqualifying for Obama’s eligibility because they love the security blanket of certainty as dispensed by supposed experts who happen to have become lawyers, -as if that makes one infallible.

    But as Dr. C. knows full well, he is the pot calling the kettle black because he has done the very same thing to me that WND has unjustifiably done to him. When he disagreed strongly with the truth I’ve shared here, he couldn’t take the heat I brought to the kitchen and kicked me out instead of debating what I shared. So it seems that what goes around, comes around, and not in a good way. Karma?

    But to be fair,the only reason that I’m here is because of the webpage history that appeared in my address bar drop-down which the address for the 1,000 Word Challenge that I responded to and which was published here. I reread what I wrote and except for the settled issue of the anomalies seen in the pdf layers, it was all still unassailable. So since it is still not deleted, I can’t complain.
    “Let justice be done, though the heavens fall.”

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 2, 2015 at 8:14 am #

    The subject of bans has always been difficult for me. I went for quite a while on this blog before the first ban was issued. I understand what I have done as not banning ideas but rather banning bad behavior, specifically extensive self-publishing, thread hijacking, doxing, and baiting.

    See my article http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/02/dissenting-voices/

    In the case of WND, I can’t see that anyone could criticize the comments made at WND in the two days before my ban in the grounds of behavior.

    Let me add that while I’m opening up the Open Thread, and you can present your latest paper, I cannot guarantee that anybody will read it or reply. However, you can’t hijack a current article and declare it open to debating whatever you want. That’s what the Open Thread is for. I moved your article link from the “Lowered Expectations” article to the Open Thread. To get to the Open Thread, click the Open Thread link on the Menu Bar, or look for Recent comments in the sidebar.

    Adrien Nash: But as Dr. C. knows full well, he is the pot calling the kettle black because he has done the very same thing to me that WND has unjustifiably done to him. When he disagreed strongly with the truth I’ve shared here, he couldn’t take the heat I brought to the kitchen and kicked me out instead of debating what I shared. So it seems that what goes around, comes around, and not in a good way. Karma?

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    Adrien Nash February 2, 2015 at 1:05 pm #

    What WND did is, on its surface, intellectually reprehensible. The comments that got me banned here were of fundamental substance and not simply innocuous factual comments. So that shows that the ban has more to do with the person than with the comments. It isn’t so much what is/ was said as who said it. That sort of ban is a totally different variety. That is Spartan like-banishment.

    My mention of my latest exposition was done without recalling the order of things, so I just stuck it in where I was at.

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    Dave B. February 2, 2015 at 1:06 pm #

    That is so weird, Adrien, because that looks just like a comment that you just made on this blog. I bet if I were to look I’d find that all the comments you’ve made here in the past are still showing, too.
    And you sure have censored comments I’ve tried to leave at YOUR blog. But then you make no pretense of being intellectually honest, do you?

    Adrien Nash: But as Dr. C. knows full well, he is the pot calling the kettle black because he has done the very same thing to me that WND has unjustifiably done to him.

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    bgansel9 February 2, 2015 at 1:35 pm #

    alg: That’s a funny thing for a self-described “newspaper,” supposedly dedicated to the freedom of expression, to do.

    They are NOT a real Newspaper. I’m a newspaper carrier. I deliver my local city paper, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Bloomberg Reports, Investor’s Business Daily (a real Obama-hating publication if I do say so myself), Financial News, Barrons, the Jewish Times and Deseret News (Mormon newspaper). If WND were an actual “newspaper” they would be on my delivery list. Whatever they are is certainly not an actual Newspaper.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater February 2, 2015 at 1:47 pm #

    Adrien Nash: But as Dr. C. knows full well, he is the pot calling the kettle black because he has done the very same thing to me that WND has unjustifiably done to him. When he disagreed strongly with the truth I’ve shared here, he couldn’t take the heat I brought to the kitchen and kicked me out instead of debating what I shared. So it seems that what goes around, comes around, and not in a good way. Karma?

    You really want to complain about the free reign you had to post repeatedly here over the years and only got banned when you broke the rules, constantly took a thread off subject and outright lied? Now compare that to birther report, ppsimmons, wnd or any big birther site where the first few posts any “obot” makes results in an automatic ban.

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    bgansel9 February 2, 2015 at 1:50 pm #

    Adrien Nash: But to be fair,the only reason that I’m here is because of the webpage history that appeared in my address bar drop-down which the address for the 1,000 Word Challenge that I responded to and which was published here. I reread what I wrote and except for the settled issue of the anomalies seen in the pdf layers, it was all still unassailable. So since it is still not deleted, I can’t complain.
    “Let justice be done, though the heavens fall.”

    and since I can see your post, you apparently are NOT banned. However long ago this occurred, I assure you that if Doc C waits just as long to test his banned status at WND, they will still not let him post.

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    bgansel9 February 2, 2015 at 2:18 pm #

    Oh, by the way, I have never posted at WND or BR, but I have made ONE comment on Free Republic. In that one post, I mentioned that I was a lefty but I left what I thought was a fairly positive and nice post where I asked a question. i was banned after that one post. All I had to do was say I that I wasn’t one of of them and that was all it took.