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Carl Gallups makes clear association between “earth shattering information” and confidential informant Montgomery

imageAn extremely interesting and revealing audio clip from the Freedom Friday with Carl Gallups show today has been posted on YouTube. In the clip, Gallups talks specifically about an ABC 15 news story, titled “Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s investigation was intended to discredit, judge says.”

Gallups says in no uncertain terms that the “earth shattering” information that he and Zullo were talking about is specifically the information provided Arpaio by the confidential informant, Dennis Montgomery, information that Sheriff Arpaio agreed in testimony last month was “junk.”

Here’s the transcript of what Gallups said:

Carl Gallups Freedom Friday May 15, 2015

I’m gonna keep my promise. Listen folks: Write some of this stuff down, listen to this, go back and get the podcast if you can’t write it if you’re driving. I told you I’d give you a quick Sheriff Arpaio/Zullo investigation update, and here’s the deal—here you’re gonna have to listen.

If you’re intelligent, and 99.8% of our folks that listen to this show are very intelligent. The ones that don’t fit that category are usually the Obamabots who are listening to every little word that drops off my mouth so that can twist it, pervert it, and jack it around all over the Internet. They are not so intelligent. … They help to keep me honest as well. But the rest of you are gonna have to kind of listen carefully, kind of read in between the lines [1:00]. But here’s the deal: I haven’t had time to post this yet because all this kind of came to me before we went on the air, but just go to Google and you can put in these words, “sheriff joe arpaio investigation was intended to discredit judge says.” That’s the headline with an article right out ABC 15 Arizona. “Sheriff Arpaio’s investigation was intended to discredit, a judge says.”

If you’ve been keeping up with this you know that a federal judge has hauled Sheriff Joe Arpaio into his court under the pretense of judge, sheriff Arpaio kind you know failing to uphold some [stammer] laws, skirting federal laws on immigration, etc., racial profiling, etc. But if you’ve been keeping up with this you know that what has happened is the judge has outed Arpaio and a confidential informant that Arpaio had, had been doing some work with. The guy’s first name is Dennis I think his last name is [2:00] escaped me right now, but I’ll think of it in a moment. But has come connections to federal government, CIA, etc., etc. Some, [stammer] some, some, some information systems, government, reams of government information and in that information the judge claimed was something pointing to the fact that Arpaio might be investigate, might have been investigating this judge. Listen, I don’t have time to go into all the details. You need to read that article, “Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s investigation was intended to discredit,” but when you read it, you’re going to hear about this confidential informant, and hear accusations of Arpaio using a private investigator on this judge which is not true. Arpaio didn’t run any investigation on this judge. But there are reams and reams, reams and reams, terabytes, terabytes of reams of information that Arpaio and these guys [3:00] have through this confidential informant and, and other things, but there, there was apparently there were people involved in, in, in tracking information and collecting information on citizens, including judges and, and including law enforcement officials, etc., around the nation, coming right out of our government offices and apparently Arpaio and Zullo are privy to a lot of that, privy to a lot of that. And so but see this collection of this kind of information has now been deemed illegal, not not for Arpaio and Zullo, but for the government to even do that, see.

And so read the article and please remember this: these CIA documents that are being spoken of in this investigation, this court case, Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office didn’t make this stuff up. This stuff [4:00] was uncovered through investigation, and you remember all this started with the birth certificate investigation. OK. That’s why Zullo some time back was talking about how this thing, why this thing was going deep and dark and why there were some legal loopholes and hurdles they had to jump over and earth shattering information and evidence coming forth. Well you’re starting to wade around the edges of it now. The edges of it. Go read that article. Read between the lines. Hear what I’m saying. Remember what Zullo said. So folks this is what we were trying to tell you a long time ago. This is dark, and it gets deep and it’s gonna get deeper and probably darker, so you’re going to want to pay attention to this. Whatever we can tell you, we will as we move along.

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112 Responses to Carl Gallups makes clear association between “earth shattering information” and confidential informant Montgomery

  1. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 15, 2015 at 8:42 pm #

    I left this comment at Birther Report:

    I don’t know if Gallups realized it, but his show today put the last nail in the coffin of the birther movement.

    Gallups confirmed what I have been saying for almost a year now, that the “earth shattering” information that he and Zullo were talking about starting around the end of 2013, the deep, dark turn, was exactly the alleged CIA data dump from Dennis Montgomery.

    What is so utterly devastating about this confirmation is that Sheriff Joe Arpaio himself admitted in open court last month that the Montgomery information was junk. Chief Deputy Sheridan testified that Montgomery was just “stringing us along” and that is what Zullo has been doing to you for a year and half.

    The great hope of the birthers: the Arpaio/Zullo investigation, the universe shattering revelation–all of it was junk.
    Read more at http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/05/gallups-sheriff-arpaio-obama.html#huurW55kipfBbzYk.99

  2. avatar
    bob May 15, 2015 at 9:03 pm #

    Well you’re starting to wade around the edges of it now.

    Edges! Merely the edges!

    /birther

  3. avatar
    Maverick May 15, 2015 at 9:08 pm #

    Gullible Gallups is desperate.

    You said previously that this contempt hearing has opened the trunk of the clown car.

    Now we see Pastor Bozo, a self-professed law enforcement professional, pop out — proving through his own ineptitude and stupidity to be a clown and a sucker. (Is it any wonder he found a new calling.)

    Even Birthers are finally realizing that they’ve been had.

  4. avatar
    RanTalbott May 15, 2015 at 10:04 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I left this comment at Birther Report

    And it seems to have poked a hole in their resident Chief Gasbag, who’s started sputtering a new stream of nonsense. It’s fun to watch him simultaneously defending and castigating A/Z. Nice work 😉

  5. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG May 15, 2015 at 10:37 pm #

    Never before have I seen someone use so many words to say absolutely nothing!

  6. avatar
    jayHG May 15, 2015 at 10:40 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy, they are in DDD (Deep, Deep, Denial) other there at birtherville report. Your comment confirmed that it is any day now that President Obama will be frogged marked out of THEIR white house along with Michelle, the girls and both dogs. This upcoming Arpaio hearing is going to make that happen….just watch.

  7. avatar
    Georgetown JD May 16, 2015 at 12:43 am #

    Carl just can’t quit Joe.

  8. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG May 16, 2015 at 1:04 am #

    Georgetown JD:
    Carl just can’t quit Joe.

    Carl is back to “denial”. Birthers will go all the way to stage 4, but loop back to the beginning each and every time.

  9. avatar
    Lupin May 16, 2015 at 5:31 am #

    They’re like religious fanatics, totally impervious to reason and common sense.

  10. avatar
    Curious George May 16, 2015 at 7:23 am #

    When one compares Pastor Carl Gallups’ November 8, 2013 broadcast to the May 15, 2015 broadcast, Gallups goes from confident and arrogant (2013) to almost apologetic and somewhat shaken (2015). The dam is cracking and the “universe shattering” script for the mythical A/Z Day has been revealed. *FALCONSTEIN*, you and your naïve, followers over at BR have been used and abused by your heroes in Arizona. You can’t say we didn’t give you sufficient warning. Just keep clicking your ruby shoes and saying, “There’s no place like home. There’s no place like home.” Only thing is, this nightmare will only get worse.

  11. avatar
    Yoda May 16, 2015 at 7:47 am #

    Lupin:
    They’re like religious fanatics, totally impervious to reason and common sense.

    I have always stated that birtherism is a cult religion. The only difference is that instead of saying that anything that does not support the religious tenants is from Satan, they say it is part of an ever growing conspiracy.

  12. avatar
    Gerry May 16, 2015 at 8:12 am #

    Zullo ran his mouth about all the evidence he was ‘creating’ and now it appears he actually was creating evidence. I think the CCP finances are ripe for discovery. Certainly, a scam on a Federal Court pertaining to an instant case will bring a deep and thorough investigation. I wonder how many of the investigative paths that AARPaio and Deputy Dog Sheridan testified to in April were just something they could cop to if they had to disclose something. They must have felt they could pull off this scam to rid themselves of Snow, thus restarting the whole racial profiling case. Then, compliance might have been overlooked relative to contempt. Then a suicide, some deep dive reporting by Lemons, and probably Zullo’s giddy motormouth set the stage to undress the old man and it ain’t pretty.

  13. avatar
    Gerry May 16, 2015 at 8:17 am #

    Gallops was used by Zullo. The purpose was to bring in donations for the CCP … Basically they were vacation funds for Zullo as he went from place to place peddling his created evidence and seeking his personal validation as a cop.

  14. avatar
    RanTalbott May 16, 2015 at 8:22 am #

    Gerry: They must have felt they could pull off this scam to rid themselves of Snow, thus restarting the whole racial profiling case.

    Or they may have bought the story that Montgomery told them, and really believed that Obama was out to nail them.

    To this day, I can’t tell whether Arpaio is lying when he claims he believes in the Forgery Fairy. If he really does believe it, he’d be a soft target for a scam based on his paranoia.

  15. avatar
    alg May 16, 2015 at 9:12 am #

    Gallups’ remarks yesterday reinforce my belief that we can expect to see Zullo deposed and testifying in a criminal contempt proceeding against the Sheriff. While the CCP’s birth certificate “investigation” will likely be a sidebar in such testimony, birthers can now delight in the fact that the subject will finally find its place in a criminal trial. 🙂

  16. avatar
    Notorial Dissent May 16, 2015 at 9:21 am #

    The thing is, it is really easy to sell a conspiracy story to someone who wants to believe in conspiracies or who sees them under every bed, which I think applies to the Shurf, and most likely the Kommandant. I think that is what Montgomery did, and they bought it hook line and sinker. The fact that it gave the Shurf the opportunity to do something he wanted to so didn’t hurt either.

    RanTalbott: Or they may have bought the story that Montgomery told them, and really believed that Obama was out to nail them.

    To this day, I can’t tell whether Arpaio is lying when he claims he believes in the Forgery Fairy. If he really does believe it, he’d be a soft target for a scam based on his paranoia.

  17. avatar
    scott e May 16, 2015 at 9:51 am #

    my money is still on mike zullo and the sheriff. and that you will be here a year from now.

    i think a few things may have popped loose on ike V’s show last night.

    this snow ball is rolling bigger and faster, not the other way around.

  18. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 16, 2015 at 9:57 am #

    Why don’t you give us a summary?

    scott e: i think a few things may have popped loose on ike V’s show last night.

  19. avatar
    Curious George May 16, 2015 at 10:00 am #

    alg
    May 16, 2015
    “Gallups’ remarks yesterday reinforce my belief that we can expect to see Zullo deposed and testifying in a criminal contempt proceeding against the Sheriff. While the CCP’s birth certificate “investigation” will likely be a sidebar in such testimony, birthers can now delight in the fact that the subject will finally find its place in a criminal trial. ”

    And possibly some of his vocal accomplices will be subject to the same scrutiny. This is getting very interesting indeed.

  20. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 16, 2015 at 10:04 am #

    I tend to think that money is more likely to have flowed directly to Zullo rather than through the Posse. The Posse incorporation papers says that no one is paid by the Posse, and to do otherwise has, in my opinion, serious tax consequences. Putting Zullo on as a consultant to the Department would be straightforward.

    Zullo is on the radar, and I think it likely he will be deposed. I doubt it will be interesting.

    Gerry: I think the CCP finances are ripe for discovery.

  21. avatar
    Curious George May 16, 2015 at 10:06 am #

    scott e
    May 16, 2015
    “my money is still on mike zullo and the sheriff…”

    Fools are easily parted from their money. Obviously you’re not paying attention to what is happening in a court room in Arizona.

  22. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 16, 2015 at 10:09 am #

    I get the impression that Gallups feels like his connection with Arpaio, through Zullo, makes him important. He enjoys sounding important. I have that same weakness, although I hope I have it more under control.

    He did sound a lot less enthusiastic yesterday.

    Georgetown JD: Carl just can’t quit Joe.

  23. avatar
    Sluffy1 May 16, 2015 at 10:26 am #

    You are important Doc… you were named in an unsealed something or other.

  24. avatar
    CarlOrcas May 16, 2015 at 10:49 am #

    scott e: this snow ball is rolling bigger and faster, not the other way around.

    How about an example of how that growing snowball is working?

  25. avatar
    Bob May 16, 2015 at 11:11 am #

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Patriot Zullo flees the U.S.

  26. avatar
    Curious George May 16, 2015 at 12:12 pm #

    Doc C
    “Zullo is on the radar, and I think it likely he will be deposed.”

    I would be surprised if he wasn’t deposed before the mid June hearing.

  27. avatar
    jtmunkus May 16, 2015 at 12:18 pm #

    I think the biggest thing we can take from that Lyin’ Carl “update”, is that Zullo’s scared.

    He’s obviously communicating with Gallups and asking him to do what he can to cool the rubes to the anti-Arpaio rhetoric.

    All that stammering in one little ten minute blurb. Makes me believe that Carl is a little worried for himself, too.

    “Nothing to seek here, folks, move along. Deeper, darker!! Really! Toldjaso!!”

  28. avatar
    Curious George May 16, 2015 at 12:31 pm #

    jtmunkus

    “All that stammering in one little ten minute blurb. Makes me believe that Carl is a little worried for himself, too.”

    He appears to be worried enough to conveniently forget the name “Montgomery” but he remembers “Dennis.” And the he refers his audience to a news report from ABC in Arizona. He didn’t want to get anywhere near the story. I’ll bet his knees were shaking for that broadcast.

  29. avatar
    wrecking ball May 16, 2015 at 12:43 pm #

    “… They help to keep me honest as well.”

    we suck at our job.

  30. avatar
    Curious George May 16, 2015 at 1:12 pm #

    wrecking ball
    May 16, 2015
    “… They help to keep me honest as well.” [Gallups]

    we suck at our job.

    Yes, it the 2% crowd that’s pulling this turkey down. 😉

  31. avatar
    Rickey May 16, 2015 at 1:27 pm #

    scott e:
    my money is still on mike zullo and the sheriff. and that you will be here a year from now.

    i think a few things may have popped loose on Mike V’s show last night.

    this snow ball is rolling bigger and faster, not the other way around.

    As always you are full of generalities and woefully lacking in specifics.

    Doc has always said that this blog will remain up until Obama is no longer president, so it doesn’t require any prescience to predict that we will be here a year from now.

    Predicting where Arpaio will be a year from now is a different proposition.

  32. avatar
    Rickey May 16, 2015 at 1:32 pm #

    CarlOrcas: How about an example of how that growing snowball is working?

    Scott never says anything of substance. He doesn’t seem to understand that snowballs don’t last very long in Maricopa County.

  33. avatar
    Dave B. May 16, 2015 at 1:44 pm #

    Well, I’m sure the 99.8% found that…articulate.

  34. avatar
    John Reilly May 16, 2015 at 1:47 pm #

    scott e: my money is still on mike zullo and the sheriff. and that you will be here a year from now.

    Funny. I don’t recall ever seeing Scott’s money.

  35. avatar
    CarlOrcas May 16, 2015 at 1:56 pm #

    Rickey: Scott never says anything of substance. He doesn’t seem to understand that snowballs don’t last very long in Maricopa County.

    Having made snowballs in Maricopa County the few times it did snow on the valley floor while I lived there I can attest to the fact that the life span of a snowball in Maricopa County is usually measured in minutes…….unless you put them in the freezer!

  36. avatar
    Pete May 16, 2015 at 2:52 pm #

    scott e: my money is still on mike zullo and the sheriff. and that you will be here a year from now.

    If there was actually any real money involved, you would be bankrupt by now, and you know it.

    And it’s only going to continue going in the same direction.

    It amazes me that there are still a few people out there who don’t have the stones to admit to themselves that they were scammed all along.

    It was all just a scam, from beginning to end. And you fell for it.

    Hey, are you interested in some hot financial investments?

  37. avatar
    Reality Check May 16, 2015 at 3:15 pm #

    Your money is still on Mike Zullo and the Sheriff to do exactly what? Doc already said the blog will be around until 1/20/2017. So it will be around a year from now.

    scott e: my money is still on mike zullo and the sheriff. and that you will be here a year from now.

  38. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 16, 2015 at 3:30 pm #

    To give scott an opportunity to troll blogs on the topic of Obama conspiracies and make a nuisance of himself, of course.

    Reality Check: Your money is still on Mike Zullo and the Sheriff to do exactly what?

  39. avatar
    bob May 16, 2015 at 4:23 pm #

    Curious George:
    He appears to be worried enough to conveniently forget the name “Montgomery” but he remembers “Dennis.”And the he refers his audience to a news report from ABC in Arizona.

    That was some bad acting, even for Gallups.

    Gallups knew the story by the headline. He has mentioned previously that he preps before the show by reviewing material that he’s going to discuss. He brags about his near-daily conversations with Zullo; in 2013, he knew where Zullo was going, and why.

    I think it is possible Zullo will be deposed, but I think it is unlikely that he’ll testify in the contempt proceedings.

  40. avatar
    scott e May 16, 2015 at 4:26 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Why don’t you give us a summary?

    i would, but you would heavy edit my very thoughts. it’s all based in coincidences and charmed obama quarks. it was a fascinating show. i think we knew everyone’s name even, by the end, what a funny business we all are in. i’m glad you think the obama era is so transparent, i don’t. but i like what you do here kevin, yin and yang.

  41. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 16, 2015 at 5:13 pm #

    If you ever said something substantive, I’d be sure to make sure it was published. However, you don’t.

    scott e: i would, but you would heavy edit my very thoughts.

  42. avatar
    scott e May 16, 2015 at 5:33 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    If you ever said something substantive, I’d be sure to make sure it was published. However, you don’t.

    ok, obviously we can’t discuss here. however, i have been digging into this phoenix new times a little.
    so, i’ll start a thread at USmess (conspiracy theories) (today or tomorrow, sunday). if anyone wants to engage.

    this is interesting to me. the history of that newspaper, it’s ownership, and it’s specific agenda.
    are you sure that’s your source of choice ?

    also i was reading sheriff joe’s wiki page. it read like the stephen lemons new journalism award,

    i’ll call this lemon guy out, no problem.

    i’m sure i won’t hear from any of you outside of here, but from time to time i like to reissue the offer.

    is that specific/substantive enough ?

  43. avatar
    Reality Check May 16, 2015 at 5:45 pm #

    What the hell did you use to write that comment? No caps
    is one thing but do
    you
    expect us to read
    that mess?

    Oh so you have the goods on Lemons and the Phoenix New Times do you? You know that his article about Dennis Montgomery was completely verified, under oath?

    scott e: ok, obviously we can’t discuss here. however, i have been digging into this phoenix new times a little.

  44. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 16, 2015 at 5:46 pm #

    Not really.

    The Phoenix New Times’ article from June, 2014 was confirmed point by point by Sheriff Arpaio in testimony last month. It doesn’t matter what their history is; the PNT told the story accurately. I find no fault in Lemons’ reporting.

    Birthers in general say that they have a license to ignore any information so long as they can find some connection to a liberal source. If course, that kind of bias guarantees that they see only one side of the story, and that is a formula for getting things wrong.

    scott e: is that specific/substantive enough ?

  45. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 16, 2015 at 5:47 pm #

    Annoying people is what a troll does.

    Reality Check: What the hell are you using to write your comments?

  46. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater May 16, 2015 at 6:58 pm #

    scott e: ok, obviously we can’t discuss here. however, i have been digging into this phoenix new times a little.
    so, i’ll start a thread at USmess (conspiracy theories) (today or tomorrow, sunday). if anyone wants to engage.

    this is interesting to me. the history of that newspaper, it’s ownership, and it’s specific agenda.
    are you sure that’s your source of choice ?

    also i was reading sheriff joe’s wiki page. it read like the stephen lemons new journalism award,

    i’ll call this lemon guy out, no problem.

    i’m sure i won’t hear from any of you outside of here, but from time to time i like to reissue the offer.

    is that specific/substantive enough ?

    So you can’t actually refute what the article says. Let alone that any of the reporting was wrong. Your problem seems to be that they simply wrote the story and it was something you didn’t feel needed to be reported. Not sure how you’re going to call anyone out let alone Lemons considering your history of total failure.

  47. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater May 16, 2015 at 7:01 pm #

    scott e: i would, but you would heavy edit my very thoughts. it’s all based in coincidences and charmed obama quarks. it was a fascinating show. i think we knew everyone’s name even, by the end, what a funny business we all are in. i’m glad you think the obama era is so transparent, i don’t. but i like what you do here kevin, yin and yang.

    So nothing more than innuendo. That’s all you guys ever have is innuendo. Never can you bring anything of substance. Volin’s show as usual was just filled with speculation, stupidity and irrelevance. Yes we know you don’t think the Obama has been transparent considering he was the only president to show his birth certificate publicly despite not having any obligation to do so.

    Yin and Yang implies there are two equal sides at play; there aren’t. Birtherism simply has no truth behind it.

  48. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater May 16, 2015 at 7:07 pm #

    scott e:
    my money is still on mike zullo and the sheriff. and that you will be here a year from now.

    i think a few things may have popped loose on ike V’s show last night.

    this snow ball is rolling bigger and faster, not the other way around.

    Yes and a year from now you’ll still be just as incompetent and impotent. There is no snow on the ground. You think rolling up your boogers on your fingers and calling them snowballs somehow backs up your claims. The problem is you are no closer now to proving your conspiracy theories about Obama than when you guys started in 2008. You’ve made absolutely no progress.

  49. avatar
    Rickey May 16, 2015 at 7:13 pm #

    scott e:

    is that specific/substantive enough ?

    An example of being specific and substantive would be for you to identify the “few things” which you believe “popped loose” last night.

    It’s easy to predict that something big is coming when you aren’t willing to say what that “something” is.

    The Arpaio/Zullo “investigation” has been going on for nearly as long as America’s involvement in World War II. The “universe shattering” revelations were supposed to be revealed 14 months ago.

  50. avatar
    Pete May 16, 2015 at 7:21 pm #

    Scott, let me review for you the history of this site.

    At pretty much every birther web site I’ve seen, anyone who doesn’t toe the party line either gets banned outright, or his or her comments mysteriously just don’t make it through the approval process.

    At Dr C’s site, any birther who has anything even 1/4th of the way coherent to say, who does so in a non-trollish way, gets to speak his mind freely. Civilly-held debates here have, I believe, continued into the hundreds and hundreds of comments.

    I would urge you to make a reasoned, coherent argument for whatever points you think you believe in, except you won’t. Either you are not capable of making such an argument, or you just can’t be bothered to, or you never intended to deal with reality in the first place.

    You may think that persistence is a great thing. Well, that depends.

    Persistence in learning is a great thing, because the more you learn, the smarter you get.

    Persistence in finding out what works and what doesn’t, or what is true and what is not, is a great thing too, because sorting out the good and useful from the bad and useless is progress.

    Persistence in supporting a stupid, untrue cause is just persistence in being stupid.

    And persistence in being stupid is not a good thing.

  51. avatar
    Keith May 16, 2015 at 8:08 pm #

    scott e:
    my money is still on mike zullo and the sheriff. and that you will be here a year from now.

    i think a few things may have popped loose on ike V’s show last night.

    this snow ball is rolling bigger and faster, not the other way around.

    Snowballs don’t last long this time of year in Arizona

  52. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG May 16, 2015 at 10:54 pm #

    scott e: my money

    You mean there’s still a few cents that grifters like Zullo haven’t conned your stupid ass out of yet? Better hurry and blow them on Arpaio’s defense fund! Your precious Shurfjoke is gonna need all the help he can get.

  53. avatar
    gorefan May 16, 2015 at 11:00 pm #

    Bob:
    I wouldn’t be surprised if Patriot Zullo flees the U.S.

    I suspect he’ll cut a deal and turn state’s evidence.

  54. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG May 16, 2015 at 11:35 pm #

    Bob:
    I wouldn’t be surprised if Patriot Zullo flees the U.S.

    Oh, but obviously for the sole purpose of taking the “investigation” into a “completely new direction”…a direction in which the authorities who might wish to reach Mr. Zullo cannot find him.

  55. avatar
    jayHG May 17, 2015 at 12:56 am #

    scott e:
    my money is still on mike zullo and the sheriff. and that you will be here a year from now.

    i think a few things may have popped loose on ike V’s show last night.

    this snow ball is rolling bigger and faster, not the other way around.

    See what I mean…..deep, deeeeepppppp denial!!

  56. avatar
    Bob May 17, 2015 at 1:21 am #

    Zullo witnessed some first-rate con artistry up close and personal. He learned from the best. He’ll never go back to the straight-and-narrow now.

    That’s for chumps.

  57. avatar
    Notorial Dissent May 17, 2015 at 2:36 am #

    Zullo may have witnessed it, personally, I think he facilitated a great deal of it, but as to actually realizing it, no, I think he totally missed the boat, and got caught as flat footed as the Shurf when it all imploded thanks in good measure to the Lemons articles. Witnessing something, and figuring out how to do it are two entirely different items. I’ve watched a lot of magic acts, good ones, even the up close and personal variety, but I couldn’t begin to reproduce them. Neither can Zullo. You have to have a personality to start with, and their he fails abjectly.

    Bob:
    Zullo witnessed some first-rate con artistry up close and personal.He learned from the best.He’ll never go back to the straight-and-narrow now.

    That’s for chumps.

  58. avatar
    RanTalbott May 17, 2015 at 3:25 am #

    Notorial Dissent: Neither can Zullo.

    Depends on the target(s): I agree that he doesn’t have talent that Montgomery has to con the big fish, but he did pretty well with birfoons for a lot longer than many (probably most) of us expected. Although I’ll concede that he _might_ not have been faking the sincerity, and could’ve actually believed the BS he was spouting.

  59. avatar
    Craig HS May 17, 2015 at 4:49 am #

    I find it absolutely hilarious that scott e will now be digging into the history and ownership of the Phoenix New Times. Especially considering that all of Zullo’s talking points were fed to him directly from Farah and Corsi via WND.

    Where IS our boy Farah these days? He’s pulled up stakes and moved on from the birthers? I almost never hear his name come up in birther related conversations any more.

  60. avatar
    scott e May 17, 2015 at 8:06 am #

    Craig HS:
    I find it absolutely hilarious that scott e will now be digging into the history and ownership of the Phoenix New Times.Especially considering that all of Zullo’s talking points were fed to him directly from Farah and Corsi via WND.

    Where IS our boy Farah these days?He’s pulled up stakes and moved on from the birthers? I almost never hear his name come up in birther related conversations any more.

    that analogy occurred to me. i’m not a big wnd fan. but this phoenix times, that’s some heavy hitter news agency.

  61. avatar
    scott e May 17, 2015 at 8:13 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Not really.

    The Phoenix New Times’ article from June, 2014 was confirmed point by point by Sheriff Arpaio in testimony last month. It doesn’t matter what their history is; the PNT told the story accurately. I find no fault in Lemons’ reporting.

    Birthers in general say that they have a license to ignore any information so long as they can find some connection to a liberal source. If course, that kind of bias guarantees that they see only one side of the story, and that is a formula for getting things wrong.

    i really didn’t expect you to post that, awesome, thank you.

  62. avatar
    Jon Beck May 17, 2015 at 11:46 am #

    How dare you twist the words of the right reverend Carl Gallups. I mean come on, direct quotes, how low can you go.

  63. avatar
    Jim May 17, 2015 at 12:32 pm #

    Craig HS:
    Where IS our boy Farah these days?He’s pulled up stakes and moved on from the birthers? I almost never hear his name come up in birther related conversations any more.

    Shows the difference between Farah and Zullo…a good scam artist knows when to move onto the next scam. The bad one keeps the same scam going till they get caught.

  64. avatar
    CarlOrcas May 17, 2015 at 1:37 pm #

    scott e: but this phoenix times, that’s some heavy hitter news agency.

    So, tell us, what have you found out about the Phoenix New Times and what is your problem with it?

  65. avatar
    Rickey May 17, 2015 at 1:46 pm #

    scott e: that analogy occurred to me. i’m not a big wnd fan. but this phoenix times, that’s some heavy hitter news agency.

    Here is what you need to know about your hero Joe Arpaio and the Phoenix New Times. Arpaio’s vendetta against the New Times ended up costing Maricopa County taxpayers $3.75 million.

    In October 2007, Maricopa County sheriff’s deputies arrested Lacey and Larkin [founders of the Phoenix New Times] on charges of revealing secret grand jury information concerning the investigations of the New Times‍ ’​s long-running feud with Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio. In July 2004, the New Times had published Arpaio’s home address in the context of a story about his real estate dealings, which the County Attorney’s office was investigating as a possible crime under Arizona state law. A special prosecutor served Village Voice Media with a subpoena ordering it to produce “all documents” related to the original real estate article, as well as “all Internet web site traffic information” to a number of articles that mentioned Arpaio. The prosecutor further ordered Village Voice Media to produce the IP addresses of all visitors to the Phoenix New Times website since January 1, 2004, as well as which websites those readers had been to prior to visiting. As an act of “civil disobedience”, Lacey and Larkin published the contents of the subpoena on or around October 18, which resulted in their arrests the same day. On the following day, the county attorney dropped the case after declining to pursue charges against the two.

    The special prosecutor’s subpoena included a demand for the names of all people who had read the Arpaio story on the newspaper’s website. It was the revealing of the subpoena information by the New Times which led to the arrests. Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas dropped the charges less than 24 hours after the two were arrested.

    In the weeks following the arrest, members of the Association of Alternative Newsweeklies, of which the Phoenix New Times is a member, provided links on their websites to places where Arpaio’s address could be found.This was done to show solidarity with the Phoenix New Times.

    In February 2008, the paper filed a formal notice of claim, which is required by Arizona law in order to sue government officials. In December of 2013, the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors agreed to pay Phoenix New Times founders Michael Lacey and Jim Larkin $3.75 million to settle their false arrest lawsuit against the County defendants.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_New_Times

  66. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 17, 2015 at 1:53 pm #

    I’m afraid this is a pattern of behavior.

    Jon Beck: I mean come on, direct quotes, how low can you go.

  67. avatar
    Bonsall Obot May 17, 2015 at 2:49 pm #

    Well, clearly, the New Times must recuse themselves, since they’ve been investigated by Shurf Joke THAT’S THE RULE YOU GUYS.

  68. avatar
    Rickey May 17, 2015 at 4:01 pm #

    Arpaio’s abuse of power has cost Arizona taxpayers at least $44.4 million in lawsuit settlements. The MCSO also misspent $111 million between 2004 and 2014. And those amounts don’t include what it will cost the County when the Melendres case is finally resolved.

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20140127maricopa-county-arpaio-costs-tallied.html

  69. avatar
    Dave B. May 17, 2015 at 4:08 pm #

    And yet the Tea Party types aren’t coming after him with torches and pitchforks. Go figure.

    Rickey:
    Arpaio’s abuse of power has cost Arizona taxpayers at least $44.4 million in lawsuit settlements. The MCSO also misspent $111 million between 2004 and 2014. And those amounts don’t include what it will cost the County when the Melendres case is finally resolved.

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20140127maricopa-county-arpaio-costs-tallied.html

  70. avatar
    Notorial Dissent May 17, 2015 at 4:11 pm #

    It’s also been proven, repeatedly, that it doesn’t take much, if anything at all, to sell a load to the birfer communit, repeatedly, as long as it agrees with their fantasies. So I think Zullo found his niche there, and didn’t really have to work at it much, otherwise, if he’d been good at it he’d have stuck to selling used cars.

    RanTalbott: Depends on the target(s): I agree that he doesn’t have talent that Montgomery has to con the big fish, but he did pretty well with birfoons for a lot longer than many (probably most) of us expected. Although I’ll concede that he _might_ not have been faking the sincerity, and could’ve actually believed the BS he was spouting.

  71. avatar
    Pete May 17, 2015 at 5:14 pm #

    Dave B.:
    And yet the Tea Party types aren’t coming after him with torches and pitchforks.Go figure.

    Seems to me there are at least a few tea party types who do have at least a few torches & pitchforks out, including (most notably) Brian Reilly.

  72. avatar
    Curious George May 17, 2015 at 8:25 pm #

    Pete:

    “Seems to me there are at least a few tea party types who do have at least a few torches & pitchforks out, including (most notably) Brian Reilly.”

    Hopefully the numbers of present and former Tea Party members will grow in numbers opposing Arpaio. He is neither pro Constituional rights and he certainly is not fiscally responsible. Tea party types who still support Arpaio, with all that is being exposed, are blatant hypocrites.

  73. avatar
    Northland10 May 17, 2015 at 8:59 pm #

    Curious George: Hopefully the numbers of present and former Tea Party members will grow in numbers opposing Arpaio. He is neither pro Constituional rights and he certainly is not fiscally responsible. Tea party types who still support Arpaio, with all that is being exposed, are blatant hypocrites.

    I suspect most of those who were truly interested in fiscal responsibility and Constitution rights jumped shipped by now. The ones care little for that. They are happy to support anybody who claims they are saving them that scary invasion of dark skinned immigrants.

    Funny how Obama’s Administration has deported more immigrants than Arpaio (or Obama’s predecessor) and, if Congress would fund it, he would probably deport even more. If the President were white and having endless pressers showing him deporting “illegals,” they would be his biggest fan.

    The Sheriff is well aware of this and playing them like a fiddle. Carl knows how to play is audience as well. Scott e knows how to follow the company line as long as he hears what he wants to here. When it is a choice between value and outrage, they always go for the outrage. Slaves to their fear.

  74. avatar
    Curious George May 17, 2015 at 9:09 pm #

    I found this on Before it’s News. Reilly is no longer a tea party member. This is an exchange between Notorial Dissent & Reilly.

    Notorial Dissent March 14, 2014 at 6:43 am Notorial Dissent

    ND:
    Mr Reilly,
    Thank you for the responses, they definitely went a long ways towards filling in some of the glaring gaps in the saga of the CCP.

    BR:
    You’re very welcome.

    ND:
    I am curious as to why you resigned from both Surprise Tea Party Patriots and the Tea Party, would you care to share your reasons?

    BR:

    At the time, I was very uncomfortable and concerned about what I considered to be unethical fund raising advertising on the STPP website allegedly seeking funds for the Cold Case Posse investigation. As a CCP member I wrote three formal letters to the STPP requesting that they cease their misleading Cold Case Posse advertising. After I wrote the letters, my wife and I chose to disassociate with the STPP and resigned from the board of the STPP. Five other board members resigned after Denise and I resigned.

  75. avatar
    Dave May 17, 2015 at 9:58 pm #

    Well, he says he’s no longer a member of that tea party.

    Curious George:
    I found this on Before it’s News.Reilly is no longer a tea party member.

  76. avatar
    Curious George May 18, 2015 at 1:27 am #

    Dave
    May 17, 2015

    “Well, he says he’s no longer a member of that tea party.”

    In the same articlee Reilly said he “resigned from all Tea Party affiliations in June of 2012.”

  77. avatar
    Curious George May 18, 2015 at 1:07 pm #

    A note to *FALCONSTEIN*. You keep on saying that Arpaio needs to reveal all of his Universe Shattering information, now. Why haven’t you figured out that Arpaio’s / Montgomery situation in Seattle with the Cold Case Posse IS the Universe Shattering information. Birtherism is now breathing it’s last breath of life. Note to *FALCONSTEIN*, Shurf Joe and the Corporal Z have been and will continue to be exposed. Get a grip on reality. It’s over.

  78. avatar
    Jim May 18, 2015 at 1:58 pm #

    Curious George:
    A note to *FALCONSTEIN*. You keep on saying that Arpaio needs to reveal all of his Universe Shattering information, now.

    It IS being reveal now…slowly by Judge Snow. And *Falcon*’s universe, along with the rest of the birthers, is being shattered. No surprise there, *Falcon* hasn’t got anything right since they swatted his butt at his birth.

  79. avatar
    RanTalbott May 18, 2015 at 2:00 pm #

    Curious George: Birtherism is now breathing it’s last breath of life.

    Not a chance: cults don’t die that easily.

    We need to start a betting pool on which “explanations” for the CCP’s failure draw the most adherents.

    “Death threats” and “bribery” will definitely be two of the top five, and almost certainly two of the top three.

    Snow’s impounding of their documents would seem promising for a “The dog ate their homework” excuse, but Zullo and Gallups bragged too much about how they’d backed everything up.

    I’m sure there will be others: a group that have convinced themselves that the entire Congress and court system are “in on it” will find ways to keep believing. Consider this gem, posted today at BR:

    I think Sheriff Joe has a plan to string out Judge Snow a little more, before laying out the evidence that Snow is taking orders from Obama/Lynch. Trust me, Sheriff Joe will be the last man standing.

  80. avatar
    wrecking ball May 18, 2015 at 2:04 pm #

    Curious George:
    A note to *FALCONSTEIN*. You keep on saying that Arpaio needs to reveal all of his Universe Shattering information, now. Why haven’t you figured out that Arpaio’s / Montgomery situation in Seattle with the Cold Case Posse IS the Universe Shattering information.

    it seems to me that since klayman got involved with montgomery ( and WND and post and email wrote a couple of supportive articles ) the birthers are under the belief that montgomery has legitimate information…… completely bypassing arpaio and sheridan’s statements that it was “junk” .

  81. avatar
    RanTalbott May 18, 2015 at 2:09 pm #

    wrecking ball: the birthers are under the belief that montgomery has legitimate information

    Yup: that’s why Carl told them

    Read between the lines. Hear what I’m saying. Remember what Zullo said.

    Because if they read on the lines, they’ll realize they’re screwed.

  82. avatar
    Yoda May 18, 2015 at 2:29 pm #

    RanTalbott: Not a chance: cults don’t die that easily.

    We need to start a betting pool on which “explanations” for the CCP’s failure draw the most adherents.

    “Death threats” and “bribery” will definitely be two of the top five, and almost certainly two of the top three.

    Snow’s impounding of their documents would seem promising for a “The dog ate their homework” excuse, but Zullo and Gallups bragged too much about how they’d backed everything up.

    I’m sure there will be others: a group that have convinced themselves that the entire Congress and court system are “in on it” will find ways to keep believing. Consider this gem, posted today at BR:

    My money is on death threats because otherwise they would have to admit that Arpaio and Zullo can be bought and that is contrary to their total narrative.

  83. avatar
    Jim May 18, 2015 at 3:29 pm #

    Yoda: My money is on death threats because otherwise they would have to admit that Arpaio and Zullo can be bought and that is contrary to their total narrative.

    We know that’s one of the Sheriff’s favorites to use, makes you wonder if that was discussed in the over 3,000 pages they still have to pour over. 😀

  84. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 18, 2015 at 6:11 pm #

    Birthers to seem to be contrarians. Whatever the official narrative is about most anything, they don’t believe it. If Arpaio fell for it, shouldn’t the rest of the birthers follow?

    wrecking ball: it seems to me that since klayman got involved with montgomery ( and WND and post and email wrote a couple of supportive articles ) the birthers are under the belief that montgomery has legitimate information…

  85. avatar
    Georgetown JD May 18, 2015 at 8:56 pm #

    If I were the United States Attorney and leaving no stone unturned, I would take the deposition of Carl Gallups to find out what he knows that is otherwise known only within the small Arpaio-Montgomery circle of “investigators”. Why? Because whatever Gallups knows was learned from Zullo, and to the extent of information shared by Zullo outside of that small group of players, the attorney-client privilege may have been waived.

    Once privileged information is shared ONCE outside of the privileged relationship, the privilege has been waived.

    The deposition might not be fruitful, but if it were, it would open all kinds of doors for the government’s case.

    Thanks, Carl!

  86. avatar
    Benji Franklin May 18, 2015 at 9:00 pm #

    RanTalbott: Carl told them
    Read between the lines. Hear what I’m saying. Remember what Zullo said.

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Okay, Listeners! This is a rare day in my life, people! Because today I risk doing for you what I have not done since the night before the morning I lost faith in the Tooth Fairy! I’m going to keep a promise, or come damn close. I promised I’d keep you informed about the Obama document fraud fraud. So here it comes like it never will again again.This is what you’ve waited for 3 anguishing years and sent us your pension money for!

    “Write some of this stuff down on your palm, listen to this, go back and read your palm while you’re driving. I’m a communicator, not a palm reader, Folks! Here’s the promised Share If Our Pie Hole/ Zoo Low investigation update, but here’s the deal—don’t you listen so close that I don’t say anything! Hear?

    “If you’re intelligent, you’re already not listening to this. But the rest of you are dumb enough to be flattered into something close to a coma when I declare that you are super intelligent just because you are a listener. But you’re gonna have to kind of listen carelessly, kind of read in between the lines, cause if you just read the lines, I won’t actually be making any sense.

    “And by the way, if you’ve been keeping up with this investigation by reading legitimate news sources, don’t listen. You’ll get very confused. The rest of you listen, and put on your waders – put on your hip boots if you’ve got ‘em! Now, even though I have inside privileged insight into that deep deep deeper, dark dark darker, turn the Obama document fraud investigation took sometime back, I can’t remember Our Pie Hole ‘s confidential informant’s last name. Let’s see, Dennisssssssss uh……. not the menace…..uh whatever. I’m a communicator not a name memorizer, Folks!

    “Write that down, or learn to write – make your crayolas count. Point is, confidential informant –Uh, Dennis uh something…..doesn’t matter….But memorize this – some connections to feds, CIA, etc., etc. Some, [stammer] some, some, some info systems, government, reams of something pointing, claims, etc, etc, government info, etc., etc. juddity judge, investigator-alligator-alamand left, etc. etc. Listen, I don’t have time to go into all the details. I’m a communicator, not a detailer. You just need to read ANY TWO of my best-selling Rabbi books.

    “Write this down: My books don’t indicate Our Pie Hole ran any investigation on this judge. But, and NOW this gets technical. There are reams and reams, reams of rooms and sketches of reams, of terabytes and terabytes of reams of rooms of reams of information that Our Pie Hole and, and, and, – ‘these guys’ have through, apparently this confidential informant an’, an, and, and, and other things, but there, there was apparently – there were people involved in, in, in tracking, tracking, slacking, quacking, tracking in, in, in, information and collecting info on citizens, including courtroom judges, and a guy who judges fudges, and, and, and, and mimes, and meemes, and etc., etc. including law enforcement officials, etc., around the nation, around the town, around the mulberry bush, coming right out of our government orifices and apparently Our Pie Hole and Zoo Low are privy to a lot of that, privy to a lot of privies. Just a reminder Folks, I’m a communicator, not a privy expert!

    “You remember all this started with the birth certificate investigation. OK. Then Zoo Low talking about going deep and dark and an’ an’ an’ and legal loopholes and hurdles to jump over jump jump and earth shattering info shattering instead the Universe and evidence coming forth and forth and back and forth etc. etc.! Listening? I tell you now, and write this down, Mike Zoo Low has crapped ALL OVER the Usurper’s Parade! Yes! If you heard me just then, those smart ones out there that did hear me, well you’re starting to wade around the edges of it now. The edges of it. Feel the edges of it? Soak it up, now! Yeah! And then go and wallow. Wade wade wade in the deep dark Zoo Low water. Feel around there for the Zoo Low truth crap. Get your hands if not your mind around it!

    “Stop me if I’m telling you more than you want to know. I know it’s technical, and I apologize for that. It might help if you made a donation. Or here, go ahead and read my Rabbi books. All of ‘em. We sell ‘em at our church – Heavens, I’ll stop my sermon and even make change for you if you bring cash – I’ve got a coin-changer on my belt and a paper money cash drawer in the pulpit right there next to the credit card imprint taker –carbons and EVERYTHING to complete the sale. But get my books. Seriously now. Read between the lines. Hear what I’m not saying. Remember what Zoo Low said and wallow in it – better still, swaddle yourselves in it. The Zoo Low truth crap can set you free for a price. Dig deep! Go wade into it. You’re near the edges. Wade in! Are you listening?

    “Whew! This is draining! Now folks this is what we were trying to tell you a long time ago when some of you – not all of you – but some of you – when some of you complained about wanting to know more! Hah, hah, – well right about now I bet a lot of you – not all of you – and certainly not a few of you – but a lot of you, are thinking, ‘I wish I hadn’t asked!’. But honestly, we were trying to tell you in not so many words, EVERYTHING! Everything we could without saying anything. No really, – straight up! Maybe you just weren’t listening or we said too much – maybe we were too forthcoming – and that would be my fault – I’m gonna have to be better at being closed-mouthed.

    “Forgive my frustration – I’ve said too much here again – been too revealing yet again. But at least now we’re all on the same page. Page one. So, nothing’s been canceled, and this investigation won’t slow down one iota just because Our Pie Hole and Zoo Low get thrown in prison. After all, this is about Obama, so this is dark, and it gets deep and it’s gonna get deeper but not cheaper and probably darker, so you’re going to want to pay attention to this and pay more money to support the investigation.

    “To get that additional money, whatever we have to tell you, we will as we move along. Now you know the whole inside story, the hole story. And you see why it took us so long – see how our hands were tied? Sure you do. You’re the most intelligent 99.8% of all the people I know. Fill in the details – any details. And spread the word as thick as you can but spread the word. Any word.”

  87. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 19, 2015 at 9:36 am #

    There has been some talk about the federal case against Arpaio being re-opened, but I’m not aware personally of any active investigation by the US Attorney of him.

    Georgetown JD: Because whatever Gallups knows was learned from Zullo, and to the extent of information shared by Zullo outside of that small group of players, the attorney-client privilege may have been waived.

  88. avatar
    Curious George May 19, 2015 at 11:43 am #

    Georgetown JD

    “Once privileged information is shared ONCE outside of the privileged relationship, the privilege has been waived.”

    The Reverend Carl Gallups, appears to be in the loop.

  89. avatar
    bob May 19, 2015 at 11:52 am #

    Curious George:
    Georgetown JD

    “Once privileged information is shared ONCE outside of the privileged relationship, the privilege has been waived.”

    The Reverend Carl Gallups, appears to be in the loop.

    No doubt Gallups would attempt to assert the preacher-penitent privilege.

  90. avatar
    Crustacean May 19, 2015 at 12:57 pm #

    OMG, that is awesome, Benji. With a little work, it could become an even awesomer, chart-topping rap. A few title suggestions:

    It’s Gonna Get Deeper (but not Cheaper)
    Zoo Low Truth Crap
    The Hole Story
    Spread the Word

    OK, now, get to work! I expect to hear that rap performed live on RC’s radio show some day. 🙂

    Benji Franklin: I’m a communicator, not a palm reader, Folks!

  91. avatar
    RanTalbott May 19, 2015 at 1:08 pm #

    bob: No doubt Gallups would attempt to assert the preacher-penitent privilege.

    But Zullo is clearly _not_ penitent. Does that count for the assertion? 😉

    Curious George: The Reverend Carl Gallups, appears to be in the loop.

    Well, he’s definitely in _a_ loop (“any day now … deeper and darker … any day now … deeper and darker …”). But the revelations at the hearings may cause him to reboot.

  92. avatar
    Jim May 19, 2015 at 1:13 pm #

    RanTalbott: Curious George: Birtherism is now breathing it’s last breath of life.

    RanTalbott: Not a chance: cults don’t die that easily.

    Cults may not die, but the head has been cut off this one and all they’re left with is running in circles screaming “USURPER” and patting themselves on the back that they’re the only ones to see their imagined conspiracy. As we’ve seen with judges, congressmen, and news reports…everyone else just laughs at them and ignores them. There’s nothing left but trying to make themselves look more foolish.

  93. avatar
    Curious George May 19, 2015 at 2:49 pm #

    Bob

    “No doubt Gallups would attempt to assert the preacher-penitent privilege.”

    Didn’t Zullo say Gallups is his pastor?

  94. avatar
    bob May 19, 2015 at 3:03 pm #

    Curious George:
    Didn’t Zullo say Gallups is his pastor?

    I think it was the other way around (Gallups claimed to be Zullo’s pastor). Regardless, I think both would claim that any (private) conversation between them was privileged.

    For example, O.J. Simpson allegedly confessed to Rosey Grier, who had become a minister. The “confession” was withheld from trial.

  95. avatar
    Georgetown JD May 19, 2015 at 9:24 pm #

    If Gallups publicized my penitential confessions on air every Friday night I would look around for a more discreet pastor.

    At least Rosey Grier knows how to maintain a confidence. Plus, he makes fabulous needlepoint creations.

  96. avatar
    bob May 20, 2015 at 12:34 pm #

    Georgetown JD:
    If Gallups publicized my penitential confessions on air every Friday night I would look around for a more discreet pastor.

    And if I was investigating the president and my investigator habitually blabbed about it to a radio preacher, I’d look around for a more discreet investigator. 😉

  97. avatar
    Curious George May 20, 2015 at 2:40 pm #

    Born Texas over at BR responding to this comment:

    “…nothing given them by Montgomery could be used since both Arpaio and Sheridan said his stuff was junk…”

    Born Texas reply:

    Everything is relative. I wouldn’t be too quick to dismiss the significance of what A&Z may have gleaned from Montgomery. Never forget that A&Z are professional investigators and know how to dig for evidence and to determine the truthfulness of a witnesses testimony. A ruse can be a very useful tool to flush out unsuspecting bad guys. One never knows what is a ruse and what isn’t when it’s used in such a way.”

    Knowingly commit perjury to initiate a ruse? Now there is a brilliant plan. Professional investigators? Arpaio can’t even figure out what “probable cause” is and Zullo can’t do a Google on Dennis Montgomery? Birthers continue in their endless state of denial. A/Z day will come, but not the way that Birthers expect.

  98. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG May 21, 2015 at 1:10 am #

    I especially liked the way he completely misused the word “Professional”!

  99. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) May 21, 2015 at 4:39 am #

    Curious George: Knowingly commit perjury to initiate a ruse? Now there is a brilliant plan.

    As I said, if Arpaio himself said he has nothing, birthers would just believe he’s lying. Now we have proof. 🙂

    And since he’s their last hope, they’re not even throwing him under the bus, they rather believe he’s still on their side and the lying is just part of some cunning plan. *smh*

  100. avatar
    Curious George May 21, 2015 at 9:13 am #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG
    May 21, 2015

    “I especially liked the way he completely misused the word “Professional”!”

    Unpaid volunteer, now equals “professional”. It’s gotta be true because, because, well just…because.

  101. avatar
    bob May 21, 2015 at 5:38 pm #

    Curious George:
    Unpaid volunteer, now equals “professional”.

    The tidbits from the status conferences imply that the MSCO paid Zullo’s expenses … to visit Montgomery and his “Seattle Operation” to discredit the judge.

    And, IIRC, the Maricopa County taxpayers ended up paying for Zullo’s (and other’s) expenses for the trip to Hawaii.

  102. avatar
    RanTalbott May 21, 2015 at 6:52 pm #

    bob: And, IIRC, the Maricopa County taxpayers ended up paying for Zullo’s (and other’s) expenses for the trip to Hawaii.

    They only paid for the bodyguard/beard-to-make-it-appear-official. Arpaio offered to reimburse the county from CCP funds, but the board decided not to bother.

    We know that Zullo’s trip was not paid for from county funds. We can _guess_ that it was paid for by the CCP, but we can only guess, since it doesn’t publish financial statements.

    We’ll be hearing more at some point about what Zullo was doing in Seattle: it might not come out in the contempt hearing, since it’s not that important to the judge (unless he needs corroboration of the purpose of the “Seattle Operation”). But the county board will want to know whether Arpaio was using county money to support the BC snipe hunt after being warned not to. And there’s the potential for another scandal over how Arpaio has been using RICO funds: if the county board suspects that he’s been using them for projects they wouldn’t approve of, they might start an inquiry.

  103. avatar
    Jim May 21, 2015 at 8:13 pm #

    RanTalbott: since it’s not that important to the judge

    I think this judge wants to get as much onto the record as he can. We’ll see tomorrow how much he delves into the 3,000+ pages that they still had to go through.

    I think it’s safe to say, you don’t mess with a federal judge’s family. Their only saving grace may be that they never went any further than the gal and her family at the restaurant.

  104. avatar
    RanTalbott May 21, 2015 at 8:52 pm #

    Jim: I think this judge wants to get as much onto the record as he can.

    I hope not: only part of what’s available is relevant to the contempt hearing. Since he does have a personal interest, he should be careful to limit what he goes after, lest he create the appearance that he’s misusing his power.

    Ideally, as soon as he gets to a point where it’s clear that there are grounds for opening a criminal contempt investigation, he’ll stop and hand the matter over to law enforcement. Not as much fun for us, since it’d probably be next year before we get to see all the juicy details, but important to maintaining the the trustworthiness of the system.

    Jim: I think it’s safe to say, you don’t mess with a federal judge’s family.

    I hope it’s safe to say that the people we’re giving the awesome power of a federal bench have the character to keep that from clouding their judgment.

    Jim: Their only saving grace may be that they never went any further than the gal and her family at the restaurant.

    That might not be a “saving grace”: I’ve said that I think it was legitimate for Arpaio’s attorney to look into whether there was a credible case of bias there, and reasonable to just drop the matter if there wasn’t. But, if Team Arpaio concluded there _was_ bias, and didn’t raise the issue, that supports the claim that they were trying to illegally influence the judge, and the fact that they stopped pursuing that line when they had what they wanted doesn’t mitigate their guilt.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) May 22, 2015 at 3:45 am #

    RanTalbott: that supports the claim that they were trying to illegally influence the judge

    Or that they simply hoped this would allow them to claim “bias” and demand recusal when the judge got too hard on them.

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    RanTalbott May 22, 2015 at 7:50 am #

    The Magic M (not logged in): Or that they simply hoped this would allow them to claim “bias” and demand recusal when the judge got too hard on them.

    Except that they’d already been quite vocal about their belief that the judge was being too hard on them. Including filing an appeal of part of the order.

    While keeping mum (again, _if_ they concluded he was biased. And they may not have) only supports, not proves, bad intent, it’ll look very bad if there isn’t something in the notes that says they decided the “tipster” exaggerated or misinterpreted what she heard.

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    Keith May 22, 2015 at 8:22 pm #

    The Magic M (not logged in): Or that they simply hoped this would allow them to claim “bias” and demand recusal when the judge got too hard on them.

    Bingo

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    Northland10 May 27, 2015 at 6:30 pm #

    Curious George:
    Andrew Vrba, PmG
    May 21, 2015
    “I especially liked the way he completely misused the word “Professional”!”

    Unpaid volunteer, now equals “professional”.It’s gotta be true because, because, well just…because.

    As far as I know, he does not have any LEO certification in Arizona. He also is not licensed as a Private Investigator in Arizona (this I checked). Being a “professional” could have some legal consequences for Zullo. Receiving enumeration from the CCP organization, or independently may be a no no without a PI license.

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    Curious George May 28, 2015 at 3:53 pm #

    Northland 10

    “As far as I know, he does not have any LEO certification in Arizona. He also is not licensed as a Private Investigator in Arizona (this I checked). Being a “professional” could have some legal consequences for Zullo. Receiving enumeration from the CCP organization, or independently may be a no no without a PI license.”

    He has never been an AZPOST certified law enforcement officer in Arizona. But he does have “magical” powers from Arpaio. Still, he’s not a cop. He’s just an Arpaio flunky.

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    Bonsall Obot May 28, 2015 at 6:34 pm #

    But he had a BADGE. Doesn’t that mean ANYTHING?

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    Curious George May 28, 2015 at 7:32 pm #

    Bonsall Obot
    May 28, 2015

    “But he had a BADGE. Doesn’t that mean ANYTHING?”

    It didn’t mean anything to officials in Hawaii. But cab driver and part time NewsBlaze reporter Randy Foreman in D.C. was impressed. Will he show it to Judge Snow?

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    Bonsall Obot May 28, 2015 at 8:54 pm #

    Hmmmm… Randy Foreman hasn’t “published” at that internet “newspaper” in over ten months. He may have his hands full with the cabdriving and such.

    And that badge meant everything, EVERYTHING, to our john; it was like a magic talisman, you betcha.