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Mike Zullo: Unsealed!

Judge Snow has unsealed a part of the court record in the Melendres v. Arpaio lawsuit that consists of a chain of emails between Mike Zullo and Dennis Montgomery, and others. This is the first real look inside the Cold Case Posse investigation and the “universe shattering” developments reported by Mike Zullo and Carl Gallups.

The April 16, 2015, email from Mike Zullo to Dennis Montgomery, Larry Klayman (Montgomery’s attorney) and MCSO Deputy Brian Mackiewicz seems to indicate that Montgomery was engaged in two separate projects, one involving Obama’s birth certificate, and the other something else, presumably the allegations of a conspiracy between the Court in the Melendres case and other parties. Zullo says that Montgomery had not completed that “BC” work. In another email (April 9, 2015) from Zullo to Dennis Montgomery and Larry Klayman (cc to Mackiewicz) Zullo says that Montgomery had been paid $10,000 from a “charitable organization” for a “service.” Anyone familiar with history knows that the organization is the Cold Case Posse, and the service was some investigation related to Obama’s birth certificate.

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118 Responses to Mike Zullo: Unsealed!

  1. avatar
    Curious George July 11, 2015 at 12:48 am #

    And after all the fluff today on Freedom Friday with Mike Zullo saying the investigation is still in progress and that Zullo can’t talk about Montgomery, the court in Phoenix Arizona let the cat out of the bag. The sham investigation was a flop. The unsealed Zullo and Montgomery emails are the evidence of an EPIC FAIL. Hey *FALCON*, we all told you it was a sham and you wouldn’t listen.

  2. avatar
    Reality Check July 11, 2015 at 12:53 am #

    Here is the Cliff’s notes version.

    The emails reveal that the MCSO detectives Anglin and Mackiewicz and CCP lead Zullo figured out by mid 2014 that they were being conned by Montgomery. However, they were still demanding that Montgomery give them something on Judge Snow even up to the eve of the April 2015 hearings. The MCSO concluded that the 60 hard drives Montgomery had provided were worthless. Montgomery had been paid $120,000 by the MCSO and $10,000 by a “charitable organization” probably the MCSO

    Montgomery wanted more and more money. He apparently was being evicted from his pad in Seattle. The $10,000 from Zullo was given to find a new place to live. Zullo says in no uncertain terms that he has provided nothing.

    There was infighting between the MCSO and Zullo. Anglin instructed Montgomery to stop work on the BC and tell nothing to Zullo. Klayman was upset that the MCSO was being mean to his client.

    The exhibits also include a timeline and chart of contacts prepared for Arpaio that purport to show some kind of connection between the DoJ, Eric Holder and Judge Snow constructed based on alleged various phone calls. .

  3. avatar
    W. Kevin Vicklund July 11, 2015 at 1:15 am #

    Also, it seems that Judge Lamberth was somehow involved. My reading of it was that he was the judge that would have given the Monkey his coveted whistle-blower status. Alas, 60 hard drives with “nothing of a classified nature
    contained on any of them and as matter of fact there was evidence of fabrication on
    numinous levels” doomed the Monkey to poo-flinger status.

  4. avatar
    Curious George July 11, 2015 at 1:25 am #

    RC,
    “Montgomery had been paid $120,000 by the MCSO and $10,000 by a “charitable organization” probably the MCSO”

    It was pretty clear the charitable organization was the Cold Case Posse, not the MCSO. Zullo was suckered again.

  5. avatar
    Pete July 11, 2015 at 1:33 am #

    Well, let’s see. That’s at least $130,000 that Arpaio, Zullo & Co. handed over to Montgomery.

    In exchange for a large box of hard drives with worthless “data” on them.

    Nice work if you can get it!

  6. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 11, 2015 at 1:38 am #

    Which, according to Judge Snow, isn’t the court’s phone number.

    Reality Check: based on alleged various phone calls. .

  7. avatar
    Rickey July 11, 2015 at 1:40 am #

    It’s also notable that in his 4/9/15 e-mail Zullo admits that they were paying Montgomery to turn over what they expected would be classified information.

    “You also recall we have 60 hard drives that you created, now in our custody. The Sheriff’s Office painfully drove them back to AZ as purported evidence of classified information gathered by you.”

    Did Zullo admit that he and the MCSO were involved in a criminal conspiracy?

  8. avatar
    gorefan July 11, 2015 at 2:13 am #

    Anyone know who web is?

  9. avatar
    Keith July 11, 2015 at 2:33 am #

    Pete:
    Well, let’s see. That’s at least $130,000 that Arpaio, Zullo & Co. handed over to Montgomery.

    My “Cynicism Filter” almost clogged up by the idea that Big Z probably got a kick-back for setting up Monty with a fresh mark. Sort of a ‘finders fee’ I guess.

  10. avatar
    Keith July 11, 2015 at 2:40 am #

    Curious George:
    http://www.kpho.com/story/29523920/arpaio-loses-bid-to-get-judge-removed-from-profiling-case

    Article contains the quote:

    Arpaio had testified that his office eventually lost confidence in the informant’s credibility.

    That, of course, begs the question “How did Arpaio get any confidence in the “informant’s” credibility in the first place. In order to ‘lose confidence’ you need to first have confidence. Since Monty is a well known “Confidence Man”, what did he do to demonstrate his worthiness to be held in Arpaio’s confidence?

  11. avatar
    Notorial Dissent July 11, 2015 at 5:05 am #

    My personal opinion is that the 60? hard drives are the modern techy equivalent of a bunch of cut up phone books, and about of as much use. it’s amazing how little it takes to sell something if you just put enough lights on it and use all the right magic words, which I’m sure Montgomery was more than capable of doing.

    Just as an aside, it comes to mind to really wonder if any of the immense brain trust that seems to make up the upper echelon of MCSO ever considered the possibility, that if Montgomery had been telling the truth, far fetched I know, but still, that they could have been charged under any number of National Security acts for all sorts of crimes?

  12. avatar
    Krosis July 11, 2015 at 6:51 am #

    Wow! The unsealed Zullo court transcripts are indeed universe-shattering!

  13. avatar
    Reality Check July 11, 2015 at 7:46 am #

    Yes, that was a typo. I meant CCP.

    What do folks here think of Klayman’s involvement? Does this make you think Klayman brought Montgomery to Zullo? It appears Klayman was involved regardless.

    Curious George: It was pretty clear the charitable organization was the Cold Case Posse, not the MCSO. Zullo was suckered again.

  14. avatar
    Curious George July 11, 2015 at 8:47 am #

    Reality Check

    “What do folks here think of Klayman’s involvement? Does this make you think Klayman brought Montgomery to Zullo? It appears Klayman was involved regardless.”

    Whatever or whoever made the Montgomery connection with Zullo, the court unsealing the Klayman emails is priceless. Is it any wonder that there was such urgency to intervene in the Melendres case by Freedom Watch?

  15. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 11, 2015 at 9:00 am #

    I didn’t make anything of it when I read the emails, just that Klayman was Montgomery’s lawyer. But then Klayman has represented birthers in the past, and could be more involved than we can see in this limited set of emails.

    Reality Check: What do folks here think of Klayman’s involvement?

  16. avatar
    alg July 11, 2015 at 9:15 am #

    I gotta say, when I read those email exchanges I kept thinking about what it must be like to be an aspiring law enforcement professional working for the MCSO and having to observe a privileged Mike Zullo able to slum through hallways of MCSO headquarters. One thinks that’s gotta be pretty darn demoralizing to the rank and file to know one is a member of a clown car cop operation best suited for Barnum and Bailey.

    And today, of course, the red-nosed driver of that clown car is going to be on stage with America’s favorite carnival barker.

  17. avatar
    Benji Franklin July 11, 2015 at 10:01 am #

    Notorial Dissent: if Montgomery had been telling the truth, far fetched I know, but still, that they could have been charged under any number of National Security acts for all sorts of crimes?

    And THAT is the umbrella for Monty’s scam; he assumed they would never complain about being duped out of over a hundred grand once they understood that they had actually been illegally engaging him to attempt to break several laws! But Monty never counted on the whole thing being exposed in court by the judge’s interest in another aspect of the case unrelated to Birtherism.

    I’m sure they assumed idiotically, that any questionable thing they did in getting to information slamming Obama by exposing something Big Brother’s Government spying organizations were doing would be forgiven with their ultimate status as “whistle-blowers” acting as their sort of “keep out of jail free card”!

  18. avatar
    Bob July 11, 2015 at 10:10 am #

    I’ve always thought of Klayman as basically a grifter.

  19. avatar
    alg July 11, 2015 at 10:22 am #

    “But Monty never counted on the whole thing being exposed in court by the judge’s interest in another aspect of the case unrelated to Birtherism.”

    For Monty, I am sure he felt protected by what he knew to be the MCSO’s reluctance to go public with the fact that they had been scammed for hundreds if thousands of dollars.

    For the MCSO, I am sure they felt protected by the Sheriff’s authority to keep materials associated with an ongoing investigation, payments to a “confidential informant” and use of RICO funds confidential and exempt from public disclosure.

    Both have miscalculated badly about where all of this would lead.

  20. avatar
    Curious George July 11, 2015 at 10:32 am #

    alg

    “For Monty, I am sure he felt protected by what he knew to be the MCSO’s reluctance to go public with the fact that they had been scammed for hundreds if thousands of dollars.”

    Who was it who said Zullo is gullible?

  21. avatar
    Curious George July 11, 2015 at 10:36 am #

    Benji Franklin.

    “But Monty never counted on the whole thing being exposed in court by the judge’s interest in another aspect of the case unrelated to Birtherism.”

    I’ll bet Klayman, Zullo, and all the other players never expected their emails to be exposed to the public.

  22. avatar
    Reality Check July 11, 2015 at 10:46 am #

    One of the items on the agenda for the now rescheduled status hearing on July 20th is a DoJ request for access to the materials from the Seattle Operation. I believe the mere act of seeking materials that one thinks are classified to be used for illegal purposes could be a crime.

    Notorial Dissent: Just as an aside, it comes to mind to really wonder if any of the immense brain trust that seems to make up the upper echelon of MCSO ever considered the possibility, that if Montgomery had been telling the truth, far fetched I know, but still, that they could have been charged under any number of National Security acts for all sorts of crimes?

  23. avatar
    john July 11, 2015 at 10:48 am #

    Curious George:
    Benji Franklin.

    “But Monty never counted on the whole thing being exposed in court by the judge’s interest in another aspect of the case unrelated to Birtherism.”

    I’ll bet Klayman, Zullo, and all the other players never expected their emails to be exposed to the public.

    I’m kind of surprised at that too. You would think Zullo and company would have been more careful with that information and if Judge SnowFlake came too close they would “Lost” the emails citing every reason in the universe for why that happen.

  24. avatar
    john July 11, 2015 at 10:52 am #

    Reality Check:
    One of the items on the agenda for the now rescheduled status hearing on July 20th is a DoJ request for access to the materials from the Seattle Operation. I believe the mere act of seeking materials that one thinks are classified to be used for illegal purposes could be a crime.

    Zullo and Company might want to “Lose” that information and be prepared to cite every reason in the universe for doing so. Remember, Court is matter of “Fact” and what is on the “Record”. Courts can’t make decisions without “Evidence”. It’s what on the “Record” that counts. As long as one keeps stuff off the “Record”, a court can never actually prosecute.

  25. avatar
    john July 11, 2015 at 10:58 am #

    john: Zullo and Company might want to “Lose” that information and be prepared to cite every reason in the universe for doing so. Remember, Court is matter of “Fact” and what is on the “Record”.Courts can’t make decisions without “Evidence”.It’s what on the “Record” that counts.As long as one keeps stuff off the “Record”, a court can never actually prosecute.

    That’ why in court, you delay, delay, delay. You object to everything and never ever agree with the Prosecution or in this case the Judge. You always answer a question with a question of clarification. Remember, in litigation if a 5 year old can’t understand the facts, the case is too complicated. EVERY fact must examined and EVERY doubt must considered. You never want the court to have a complete record. “Holes” in the record mean doubt and finally remember, when is comes to Murphy’s Law in the eyes of the court with evidence against you, it will happend to the court every time.

  26. avatar
    Sam the Centipede July 11, 2015 at 11:14 am #

    john: I’m kind of surprised at that too.You would think Zullo and company would have been more careful with that information and if Judge SnowFlake came too close they would “Lost” the emails citing every reason in the universe for why that happen.

    Of course they weren’t careful – birthers are gullible morons. Zullo is a birther; he is a gullible moron. They did what gullible morons do: they swallowed the bait, jumped into their clown car and crashed it.

    A rational person would have been more skeptical and more careful. But birthers are gullible morons.

    Very occasionally, a birther will experience and epiphany and realize “oh dear, that was complete nonsense, I need to revise my views and look for the real story”. Perhaps one day you yourself will have the joy of entering the world that we sane people occupy; it’s much better than the birther nuttiverse.

  27. avatar
    Yoda July 11, 2015 at 11:22 am #

    It is apparent that The used car salesman’s WND interview and his appearance on fellatio Friday were timed to do damage control over the released emails and to create the exit strategy.

    Even Birdboy knows birthers were conned and that is saying something.

  28. avatar
    john July 11, 2015 at 11:41 am #

    So the conference in July 20, 2015. I guess the top strategy for Arpiao is delay, delay, delay, delay. You to consider every reason in the universe to come up with a new delay. Does Arpaio have any medical issues, operations pending, any family issues, dying family members, any critical multijuristictional sheriff functions that will require Apraio to be some place and on and on and on. Because Judge Snowflake won’t recuse, can they file for impeachment proceedings against him. of course, it won’t go anywhere but it might buy more time. Perhaps in 6 months or a year, Judge Snowflake might get this case back on track.

  29. avatar
    bovril July 11, 2015 at 11:56 am #

    john: Zullo and Company might want to “Lose” that information and be prepared to cite every reason in the universe for doing so. Remember, Court is matter of “Fact” and what is on the “Record”. Courts can’t make decisions without “Evidence”. It’s what on the “Record” that counts. As long as one keeps stuff off the “Record”, a court can never actually prosecute.

    Oh John, so detached from reality it is truly, truly sad.

    The simple act of removal or destruction of data KNOWN TO EXIST is, in and of its self an evidentiary point.

    Deliberate destruction or concealment of same as part of a judicial case where there has been explicit instruction by a judge is so much of a no no it ain’t funny.

    So, you are advocating OTHERS commit criminal acts again,?

  30. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 11, 2015 at 11:57 am #

    John, you recommend hiding/destroying evidence and using any excuse to delay obeying Judge Snow’s orders. Which is exactly what has gotten your boys in trouble, and what is getting them in more trouble every day. What a genius.

  31. avatar
    john July 11, 2015 at 12:04 pm #

    bovril: Oh John, so detached from reality it is truly, truly sad.

    The simple act of removal or destruction of data KNOWN TO EXIST is, in and of its self an evidentiary point.

    Deliberate destruction or concealment of same as part of a judicial case where there has been explicit instruction by a judge is so much of a no no it ain’t funny.

    So, you are advocating OTHERS commit criminal acts again,?

    Oh sure they can “lose” the evidence and come up wtih a zillion contrived excuses on why it was lost.

  32. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 11, 2015 at 12:06 pm #

    john: As long as one keeps stuff off the “Record”, a court can never actually prosecute.

    Are you giving legal advise to Zullo?

  33. avatar
    alg July 11, 2015 at 12:58 pm #

    john: Oh sure they can “lose” the evidence and come up wtih a zillion contrived excuses on why it was lost.

    John, anything that had been handled and processed by the MCSO servers would have been automatically backed up and stored in a way that they cannot be independently deleted or eliminated by Zullo or anyone else. I say that being very familiar with how county government information technology systems typically operate.

  34. avatar
    Curious George July 11, 2015 at 1:16 pm #

    CarlOrcas
    July 11, 2015

    john: As long as one keeps stuff off the “Record”, a court can never actually prosecute.

    “Are you giving legal advise to Zullo?”

    Let’s hope john with his Cheerios box top law degree gives Zullo lots and lots of advice and Zullo acts on it.

  35. avatar
    Rickey July 11, 2015 at 2:22 pm #

    john: Zullo and Company might want to “Lose” that information and be prepared to cite every reason in the universe for doing so. Remember, Court is matter of “Fact” and what is on the “Record”.Courts can’t make decisions without “Evidence”.It’s what on the “Record” that counts.As long as one keeps stuff off the “Record”, a court can never actually prosecute.

    That comment of yours set of my StupidCheck™ meter.

    So you are suggesting that if I convince someone to sell me a Top Secret document, I can’t be prosecuted if I never put the document “on the record?”

    Your buddy Zullo has already admitted that he and the MCSO were attempting to buy classified information from Montgomery.

    Tampering with evidence in a Federal case is a felony, punishable by a prison sentence of not more than 20 years, a fine, or both. (18 U.S.C. § 1519.)

  36. avatar
    Arthur B. July 11, 2015 at 2:48 pm #

    john: Because Judge Snowflake won’t recuse, can they file for impeachment proceedings against him. of course, it won’t go anywhere but it might buy more time. Perhaps in 6 months or a year, Judge Snowflake might get this case back on track.

    You know that the evidence exists, and you know what it means.

    What do think you accomplish by making fun of the judge’s name? It seems nothing but childish and petty to me.

  37. avatar
    gorefan July 11, 2015 at 3:05 pm #

    Over at the Fogbow -Mimi has found a likely Webb candidate at least from 2013.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidWebb605

    Isn’ the Yellowstone Club in Montana related to Mongomery’s friend?

  38. avatar
    bgansel9 July 11, 2015 at 4:26 pm #

    Sam the Centipede: They did what gullible morons do: they swallowed the bait, jumped into their clown car and crashed it.

    Great way of putting that. LOL

    So, can I expect that Arpaio’s face and name will be splashed all over the front page soon as a man who tried to steal federal classified information? Ooooh, goody!

  39. avatar
    bgansel9 July 11, 2015 at 4:29 pm #

    bovril: So, you are advocating OTHERS commit criminal acts again,?

    Amazing, isn’t it?

  40. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 11, 2015 at 4:32 pm #

    Notorial Dissent: My personal opinion is that the 60? hard drives are the modern techy equivalent of a bunch of cut up phone books, and about of as much use. it’s amazing how little it takes to sell something if you just put enough lights on it and use all the right magic words, which I’m sure Montgomery was more than capable of doing.

    It kind of reminds me of the scene in the Big Lebowski where Walter switches out the “money bag” for his dirty laundry.

  41. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 11, 2015 at 4:35 pm #

    john: Zullo and Company might want to “Lose” that information and be prepared to cite every reason in the universe for doing so. Remember, Court is matter of “Fact” and what is on the “Record”. Courts can’t make decisions without “Evidence”. It’s what on the “Record” that counts. As long as one keeps stuff off the “Record”, a court can never actually prosecute.

    Are you seriously suggesting that Zullo and company destroy evidence?

  42. avatar
    justlw July 11, 2015 at 5:45 pm #

    There’s an old “Mr. Boffo” cartoon where two prisoners in a cell are looking at a newspaper headline, something like

    BOZOS BAMBOOZLED WHILE BOOBS BUMBLE

    …and one comments, “None of us really wound up looking very good in this one, did we?”

  43. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 11, 2015 at 6:14 pm #

    Here’s a candidate for quote of the day:

    “Sixteen long months of ZERO s and just empty promises and lip service. Enough…”

    Mike Zullo
    April 9, 2015

    (email to Dennis Montgomery)
    (ellipses in the original)

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    justlw July 11, 2015 at 7:31 pm #

    gorefan:
    Over at the Fogbow -Mimi has found a likely Webb candidate at least from 2013.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidWebb605

    Isn’ the Yellowstone Club in Montana related to Mongomery’s friend?

    It looks like “David Webb” sprang into existence at just about the time that Montgomery was engaging in a smear campaign against some former colleagues/victims/what-have-you and their project the Yellowstone Club. And wouldn’t you know it, David Webb sets up shop as an “Independent investigative news reporter dedicated to reporting on various aspects and individuals surrounding the Yellowstone Club.”

    (David Webb is also the real name of “Jason Bourne” in the eponymous series.)

    My take: Montgomery sent this email to his alter ego “David”, so that “David”, blabbermouth that he is, could oh-so-surreptitiously forward it on to Zullo, at which point Zullo would learn that Montgomery sure is one hard worker, dontcha know, and that Anglin is the real bad guy here, and is doing all sorts of terrible things behind Zullo’s back.

  45. avatar
    Joey July 11, 2015 at 8:00 pm #

    john:
    So the conference in July 20, 2015.I guess the top strategy for Arpiao is delay, delay, delay, delay.You to consider every reason in the universe to come up with a new delay.Does Arpaio have any medical issues, operations pending, any family issues, dying family members, any critical multijuristictional sheriff functions that will require Apraio to be some place and on and on and on.Because Judge Snowflake won’t recuse, can they file for impeachment proceedings against him.of course, it won’t go anywhere but it might buy more time.Perhaps in 6 months or a year, Judge Snowflake might get this case back on track.

    There’s no such thing as “filing for impeachment.” And judges are not impeached for judicial rulings that they make. Judges are impeached for committing crimes or for lack of personal morals in their personal lives.

  46. avatar
    Pete July 11, 2015 at 8:50 pm #

    bovril: So, you are advocating OTHERS commit criminal acts again,?

    Why would anyone be surprised at john advocating that someone else commit a crime?

    John’s a birther. Birtherism champions lies, fraud, deceit, mob violence and the repudiation of American values, all in a fake wrapper of “truth,” “integrity,” “justice,” and “patriotism.”

  47. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 11, 2015 at 8:53 pm #

    Zullo is a boob and I wouldn’t expect him to have the sophistication to think through the exposure of the contradictions in his private and public statements. I don’t know exactly who you include in “Zullo and company,” but as soon as they copied Mackiewicz, they lost the option of destroying the evidence.

    john: I’m kind of surprised at that too. You would think Zullo and company would have been more careful with that information

  48. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 11, 2015 at 9:00 pm #

    At the very least, the DOJ should be interested in allegations of wrongdoing by the DOJ.

    Reality Check:
    One of the items on the agenda for the now rescheduled status hearing on July 20th is a DoJ request for access to the materials from the Seattle Operation. I believe the mere act of seeking materials that one thinks are classified to be used for illegal purposes could be a crime.

  49. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 11, 2015 at 9:02 pm #

    Nobody expects the Judge Snow Inquisition.

    Curious George: I’ll bet Klayman, Zullo, and all the other players never expected their emails to be exposed to the public.

  50. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 11, 2015 at 9:11 pm #

    I’m trying not to laugh at this one but Mark Gillar is giving us a sob story about Zullo on twitter: https://twitter.com/MarkGillar/status/620035440834273281

    Oh whoa is Zullo working $10/hour mall security jobs while spending 60 hours a week on Cold Case Posse work.

  51. avatar
    justlw July 11, 2015 at 9:20 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Mark Gillar … on twitter

    Heh. Reading his feed, he’s VERY EXCITED about Rump for president, and he’s asked twice in the last couple of days for retweets from anyone else who’d seriously consider voting for him.

    He got two retweets each time.

    Note to The Donald: when you’ve lost the birfers… .

  52. avatar
    Pete July 11, 2015 at 9:23 pm #

    Commander Mike Zullo.

    Mall cop.

  53. avatar
    Pete July 11, 2015 at 9:24 pm #

    Or would that be: Mike Zullo, Segway Commander?

  54. avatar
    Notorial Dissent July 12, 2015 at 1:36 am #

    My point from the beginning about one not very good conman conning another equally inept one was that I really believe that Montgomery isn’t that good or that clever, just that he figured out the oldest requisite of a good con, they won’t file charges if they’re too embarrassed to come forward, and it seems to have worked pretty well for the most part for him, he made fools of the military/CIA/spook services before someone there blew his gaf, and they didn’t prosecute for fear of incredible embarrassment for having been so totally taken, and that seems to be pretty much the story on down the line til it came to an abrupt end with MCSO. They were just as dumb and just as unwilling to admit they’d been taken, but now it is out in the open, out of their hands, and going to splatter all over all sorts of people I would expect.

    That John is openly suggesting what is without question an illegal act is no great surprise either, he is when it comes right down to it ethically, morally, and intellectually bankrupt and dishonest. Way to go John, just keep right on showing your true colors. Would that not make him a co-conspirator before the fact??

  55. avatar
    Curious George July 12, 2015 at 11:42 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 11, 2015 at 9:11 pm (Quote) #

    I’m trying not to laugh at this one but Mark Gillar is giving us a sob story about Zullo on twitter: https://twitter.com/MarkGillar/status/620035440834273281

    Oh whoa is Zullo working $10/hour mall security jobs while spending 60 hours a week on Cold Case Posse work

    Curious George:
    Now this sounds mighty familiar. Reilly said the following in his answers on this site:

    “You may find this very difficult to believe (as did I), but Commander Zullo informed me that the CCP was used as bar bouncers for taverns and paid less than $10 per hour per person.”

    It looks like Zullo has been promoted from “bar bouncer” to mall security jobs. Now that’s what I call progress.

  56. avatar
    Jim July 12, 2015 at 2:58 pm #

    @john: You’ve never heard of circumstantial evidence?

  57. avatar
    Dave B. July 12, 2015 at 4:52 pm #

    Man, that April 20 Zullo-to-Klayman e-mail is a doozy.
    “This is now my second request asking for a date set for the completion of the work Dennis Montgomery has been promising for over 16 months.. Mr. Montgomery’s behavior and lack of performance flies in the face of his numerous promises pledging to complete the work.. This is especially concerning given the face that Mr. Montgomery needs validation like a drowning man needs oxygen. His behavior simply erodes whatever thread of credibility he may have left. In fact as of this date, our experience dealing with Mr. Montgomery mirrors what has been written about him.. It is apparent to us that this is just a game of running the clock…”

  58. avatar
    Dave B. July 12, 2015 at 5:06 pm #

    Do you ever have any genuinely HELPFUL suggestions?

    john: Oh sure they can “lose” the evidence and come up wtih a zillion contrived excuses on why it was lost.

  59. avatar
    Curious George July 12, 2015 at 7:39 pm #

    Dave B,
    Quoting Zullo in Zullo email…

    “In fact as of this date, our experience dealing with Mr. Montgomery mirrors what has been written about him.. It is apparent to us that this is just a game of running the clock…”

    I thought Zullo was supposed to be big on vetting people. It’s obvious that Zullo knew about Monty’s reputation in advance, but chose to ignore what he had learned. Ya just can’t fix stupid.

  60. avatar
    CarlOrcas July 12, 2015 at 7:52 pm #

    Curious George: I thought Zullo was supposed to be big on vetting people. It’s obvious that Zullo knew about Monty’s reputation in advance, but chose to ignore what he had learned. Ya just can’t fix stupid.

    Zullo has all the instincts of Inspector Clouseau.

  61. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater July 12, 2015 at 10:41 pm #

    Curious George: I thought Zullo was supposed to be big on vetting people. It’s obvious that Zullo knew about Monty’s reputation in advance, but chose to ignore what he had learned. Ya just can’t fix stupid.

    Yeah didn’t Zullo claim he required a background check for anyone submitting evidence? Didn’t he need their social security numbers and that of all of their friends before he even considered working with them?

  62. avatar
    Joe Mole July 12, 2015 at 10:56 pm #

    Mike Zullo and Carl Gallups are stringing everyone along. It’s my understanding that due to the original Xerox mention, that Mike Zullo got the idea to take the lifted pieces of the birth certificate pdf and compare it against various images on the internet. Grand architect of the universe of bogus information, Dennis Montgomery was used to create a software to automatically scan and compare while Mike Zullo headed to the library of congress to get web archives looking for additional images for comparison. Montgomery “found” matches “down to the pixel” even “containing identical metadata” accessed with a special program to confirm the matches. Not that this proves anything but they think that because of signatures and other items which should show some variations as having not been stamped they then sought out access records for several of the matching images and located a certain IP address which was traced back to an organization not worth mentioning within which they are trying to pinpoint the individual who put everything together. They are trying to “vet” or get a warrant or whatever instead of naming the organization to prevent being sued for defamation, and in the opinion of this writer, making an ass of themselves as does everyone who trusts Dennis Montgomery. The non-birth certificate “criminal investigation” on the side so often mentioned is 2 TB of hard drives Montgomery supposedly stole from his employers, which have as of yet, not been named in the court proceedings but are loaded with e-mails and a little colored man on man videos, which ironically they keep watching “in the interests of identifying obama.” Or in the real world for personal reasons they won’t disclose. When someone is convinced of something regardless of how irrational it is they will invent evidence to try and convince themselves of it. At least it is an entertaining side stop for a traveling man through the internet’s pools of mud.

  63. avatar
    Pete July 12, 2015 at 11:12 pm #

    Maybe we could get the screen rights and produce a movie starring Inspector Zouleau?

    The Pink Panties? A Shurf in the Dark?

  64. avatar
    Curious George July 12, 2015 at 11:42 pm #

    One of the things that Birthers do really well is lie. Here is a favorite Birther by the name of Mark Gillar. In his twitter comments he states:

    Mark E. Gillar– ‏@MarkGillar

    “Trump filled 20,000 seats in Arizona.”

    KPHO CBS 5 reports that the capacity of the convention center is 4,200.

    Mr. Gillar, I’d say this is just another example of your misrepresentation of the truth. You have as little credibility as your BFF, Inspector Zoolleau.

    And oh, by the way, the crowd was standing, not sitting in seats.

    http://www.kpho.com/story/29527244/raw-video-donald-trump-campaign-rally-in-phoenix?config=H264

  65. avatar
    Curious George July 12, 2015 at 11:45 pm #

    Gillar link:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkGillar/status/620294430344376320

  66. avatar
    Curious George July 12, 2015 at 11:58 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
    July 12, 2015

    Curious George: I thought Zullo was supposed to be big on vetting people. It’s obvious that Zullo knew about Monty’s reputation in advance, but chose to ignore what he had learned. Ya just can’t fix stupid.

    Yeah didn’t Zullo claim he required a background check for anyone submitting evidence? Didn’t he need their social security numbers and that of all of their friends before he even considered working with them?

    Curious George:
    That’s what I recall. But in the tradition of Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Zullo’s vetting process must have “slipped through the cracks.” Kinda like Joe saying under oath that the U.S. District Court injunction just “slipped through the crack.”

    What a bunch of bafoons!

  67. avatar
    Curious George July 13, 2015 at 12:45 am #

    Doors closed at 4,200 capacity according to ABC Phoenix at Trump Rally on 7/11/15. Mr. Gillar, would you like to tell us your source for the bogus 20,000 people who attended the Trump Rally?

    http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/phoenix-fire-says-capacity-rules-not-broken-after-trump-tweets-officials-broke-fire-code

  68. avatar
    tes July 13, 2015 at 1:20 am #

    I keep seeing people refer to $10,000 – but the email at issue [ECF 1166 at 24-25] refers to $15K, 10K of which was from a charitable organization.

    As FYI ,the 2013, 2014 and 2015 Arpaio-Zullo-Melendres-Seattle Operation Timeline pages have been updated to incorporate all the new exhibits (plus Zullo’s Freedom Friday appearance .. in which he directly contradicts statements he made in the exhibits…) See links at http://tesibria.typepad.com/wye/.

  69. avatar
    Keith July 13, 2015 at 2:21 am #

    Pete:
    Maybe we could get the screen rights and produce a movie starring Inspector Zouleau?

    The Pink Panties? A Shurf in the Dark?

    Those titles sound like they would have to be porno parodies.

  70. avatar
    justlw July 13, 2015 at 2:52 am #

    Curious George:
    Gillar link:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkGillar/status/620294430344376320

    Wherein he refers to the idea of paying people to attend a political rally, as if Trump hadn’t been caught red-handed doing just that for his candidacy announcement.

  71. avatar
    realist July 13, 2015 at 7:56 am #

    Curious George:
    Doors closed at 4,200 capacity according to ABC Phoenix at Trump Rally on 7/11/15.Mr. Gillar, would you like to tell us your source for the bogus 20,000 people who attended the Trump Rally?

    http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/phoenix-fire-says-capacity-rules-not-broken-after-trump-tweets-officials-broke-fire-code

    His source is most likely Trump who tweeted out the 20,000 lie.

  72. avatar
    Reality Check July 13, 2015 at 8:12 am #

    Many times in following the Birthers there have been events so ironic that it almost seems as if divine intervention is at play. Friday was one of those days. At the end of the interview with Zullo Gallups tried to answer critics:

    [38:20] GALLUPS: For those of you out there who have said “Now Carl you have promised us that if Zullo is not going to release it you would” I never made that promise. ,,, What I said was, when I was just getting to know Mike Zullo, What I said was if I ever discover Mike Zullo or Sheriff Arpaio are blowing smoke in my ear on this then I will tell what I know. I am not an idiot. I know they are in the middle of a criminal investigation. You think I am going to spill the beans on what they have confided in me on that, which is not everything? Of course not. I mean I could go to prison for doing that. People could get hurt doing that. You could blow a criminal investigation. I’m not an idiot. Of course I am not going to tell if Zullo doesn’t tell. But what I said was that if I find out they are lying to me … blowing smoke in my ear? Of course I will out them.

    Immediately following the show I checked the Fogbow for any reaction and found that Judge Snow’s dismissal was posted along with the Zullo email to Montgomery that in no uncertain terms directly contradicted everything Zullo had just said on Gallups show about the “criminal investigation”.

    However, for some reason I don’t expect Gallups to making good on his promise any time soon.

  73. avatar
    RanTalbott July 13, 2015 at 8:40 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Yeah didn’t Zullo claim he required a background check for anyone submitting evidence?

    Yes. He said it when challenged about not looking at the Xerox evidence, claiming he didn’t have to look at it if RC wouldn’t give him enough personal info to give an identity thief multiple orgasms.

    I remember commenting at the time that that was evidence that his claim of running “an official law enforcement investigation” was intentional fraud, because real investigations don’t do that.

    I don’t remember whether it was in the same Free Dumb Friday, but he also bragged about an important “lead” they’d gotten from someone who had insisted on remaining anoymous.

    And now it’s been revealed that he didn’t actually have the “universe-shattering evidence” he claimed to.

    One has to wonder if there’s enough evidence now to pursue charges of mail fraud.

  74. avatar
    Curious George July 13, 2015 at 10:20 am #

    Ran Talbott,

    “And now it’s been revealed that he didn’t actually have the “universe-shattering evidence” he claimed to.”

    Well then, Gallups’ claiming that he knows “80%” of the universe shattering Information means that he knows “80%” of nothing. Carl Gallups needs to come clean and tell his audience what he thought was the universe shattering evidence, as told to him by Zullo.

  75. avatar
    RanTalbott July 13, 2015 at 10:43 am #

    bgansel9: WND is hilarious

    And weird. That story is basically a Klayman press release, saying that he’s filed another motion to intervene. One weird part is this (supposedly a quote from his filing):

    “The delay in this lawsuit is creating much more than the appearance that this court is working in concert with the American Civil Liberties Union in order to harm defendant Sheriff Joe Arpaio and intervenor Dennis Montgomery, as well as make good on its commitment, expressed by the court’s wife as confirmed by neutral persons, to ‘destroy’ Sheriff Joseph Arpaio so the sheriff cannot be reelected in 2016.”

    But another of Klayman’s clients, in his motion for recusal, filed transcripts of the interviews with those “neutral persons” in which they reported that’s not what Mrs. Snow said.

    Is Klayman trying to screw things up for Montgomery by filing something he knows to be false? Or for Arpaio by disputing the truth of what he filed?

    The other weird thing is how he’s managing to file anything. Hasn’t his pro hac vice petition already been denied, like Mosley’s, because of the conflict of interest with representing Arpaio?

  76. avatar
    tes July 13, 2015 at 11:52 am #

    The other weird thing is how he’s managing to file anything. Hasn’t his pro hac vice petition already been denied, like Mosley’s, because of the conflict of interest with representing Arpaio?

    Klayman hasn’t filed anything – only Moseley. And yes, Mosely’s PHV application was denied and, on July 10, Judge Snow denied his motion for reconsideration.
    https://www.scribd.com/doc/271193625/Melendres-1167-D-Ariz-2-07-cv-02513-1167

  77. avatar
    tes July 13, 2015 at 12:56 pm #

    Curious George:
    Ran Talbott,

    “And now it’s been revealed that he didn’t actually have the “universe-shattering evidence” he claimed to.”

    Well then, Gallups’ claiming that he knows “80%” of the universe shattering Information means that he knows “80%” of nothing. Carl Gallups needs to come clean and tell his audience what he thought was the universe shattering evidence, as told to him by Zullo.

    Has it? Or was that all Gallups’ very lame attempt to avoid receiving a notice of deposition in the Melendres case? ??? There are at least a dozen instances between August 2013 and May 2015 where Gallups indicated (or expressly stated) that he knew the “guts” … the “details” … “who alls involved” … etc etc

  78. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 13, 2015 at 2:00 pm #

    tes: As FYI ,the 2013, 2014 and 2015 Arpaio-Zullo-Melendres-Seattle Operation Timeline pages have been update to incorporate all the new exhibits (plus Zullo’s Freedom Friday appearance .. in which he directly contradicts statements he made in the exhibits…) See links at http://tesibria.typepad.com/wye/.

    —-
    This is great, Tes.

  79. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 13, 2015 at 2:14 pm #

    This link has been added under my Resources
    menu.

    tes: As FYI ,the 2013, 2014 and 2015 Arpaio-Zullo-Melendres-Seattle Operation Timeline pages have been updated to incorporate all the new exhibits (plus Zullo’s Freedom Friday appearance .. in which he directly contradicts statements he made in the exhibits…) See links at http://tesibria.typepad.com/wye/.

  80. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 13, 2015 at 2:26 pm #

    Does anyone have a sense about these “notifications” in this quote from Zullo’s 4/9/15 email to Montgomery?:

    “Additionally, the agreement between you and the Sheriff’s Office to forgo official notification to our contact in DC is now very long in the tooth and unproductive for us, as you have again failed to deliver anything as agreed.
    . . .
    ….this is not something I am prepared to allow to move forward without the proper notifications made on our end under these agonizing circumstances.”

  81. avatar
    gorefan July 13, 2015 at 3:30 pm #

    tes: Has it?Or was that all Gallups’ very lame attempt to avoid receiving a notice of deposition in the Melendres case? ???There are at least a dozen instances between August 2013 and May 2015 where Gallups indicated (or expressly stated) that he knew the “guts” … the “details” … “who alls involved” … etc etc

    It does seem as though Zullo’s appearance on Friday was an attempt to provide cover for Gallups, Arpaio and Sheridan. None of them were brought up to speed.

  82. avatar
    Benji Franklin July 13, 2015 at 3:55 pm #

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Welcome back, Listeners, and we’re here today on the phone with Mike Zoo Low, answering questions from callers, go ahead with your question, Mary from Jackson, Mississippi!”

    Mary:”Yes, well, I’m calling to shut my damn husband up, and he asks, ‘Is there any part of the Constitution that the Constitution doesn’t allow us Birthers to have the final interpretive say on? Or did the Framers want ONLY Birthers, as private citizens, to override the judiciary and Congress and the Executive Branch, JUST when interpreting parts of the Constitution having to do with Presidential eligibility?”

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Well, Mary was it?…..yes, Mary… of course, Mary. Let me thank you, Mary, for that great question…and IT WAS a great question, uh…..wait a second… I know your name…. don’t tell me – oh yes, Mary, from Jacksonville, Florida……no, what am I thinking here…Mary from Jackson, Mississippi! Am I right?”

    Mary:”Yes, but what about” (line goes dead)

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Looks like we lost our connection with Mary, but wasn’t that a great question, Listeners? And Mike, Mike Zoo Low, wasn’t that a great question, from Mary?”

    Mike Zoo Low:” Couldn’t quite hear her question on this end, Karl, but I can tell you this, that document is a fake. Not for any reasons that we have announced for several years now, but for heretofore COMPLETELY UNANTICIPATED NEW reasons that we have yet to specify, based on irrefutable evidence which we have yet to discover. And as you know, Karl, irrefutable evidence is never more irrefutable than before any is found.”

    Karl Gall Oops!: “WOW! WOW! I can hardly speak! Okay, Listeners, right now you’re joining me, Karl Gall Oops!, in wading around the Universe-shittering edges of what sounds to me like the promise of an impending , Framer-endorsed Obama-ruining presser, which could happen almost any September, am I right about that, Mike Zoo Low?”

    Mike Zoo Low:” Well that’s only about 80% of it Karl. Frankly, we’ve got one or two or maybe three hundred legal hurdles to overcome before we can reveal the important new stuff. And forget the old stuff – we’re way past that.

    Karl Gall Oops!: “WOW! WOW! Wha’d I tell you, listeners? I already know 80% of everything the Cold Cased Pussie has not thought to look for, nor found! So, Mike. Just those legal hurdles, and by the way Listeners, I can confide that I personally KNOW that one of those hurdles is solved, and then, Mike, just finding a scrap of evidence, and making up a criminal offense we can charge Obama with, can we say WE are JUST THAT CLOSE to bringing down the Usurper?”

    Mike Zoo Low:” Well, Karl, yes, that AND maybe one or two logical hurdles to overcome, and for Our Pie Hole and myself, maybe one or two prisons to get out of.”

    Reality Check: Gallups: What I said was if I ever discover Mike Zullo or Sheriff Arpaio are blowing smoke in my ear on this then I will tell what I know. I am not an idiot. I know they are in the middle of a criminal investigation. You think I am going to spill the beans on what they have confided in me on that, which is not everything? Of course not. I mean I could go to prison for doing that.

  83. avatar
    Curious George July 13, 2015 at 3:58 pm #

    Ran Talbott

    “Or was that all Gallups’ very lame attempt to avoid receiving a notice of deposition in the Melendres case? ??? There are at least a dozen instances between August 2013 and May 2015 where Gallups indicated (or expressly stated) that he knew the “guts” … the “details” … “who alls involved” … etc etc”

    I saw a move to distance Gallups from this as well. I think I’m detecting some concern from Gallups. A deposition may be in his future.

  84. avatar
    bgansel9 July 13, 2015 at 4:11 pm #

    Curious George: I saw a move to distance Gallups from this as well. I think I’m detecting some concern from Gallups. A deposition may be in his future.

    Gallups may very well end up being “the man who knew too much!”

  85. avatar
    bgansel9 July 13, 2015 at 4:13 pm #

    J.D. Sue: official notification to our contact in DC

    Does MCSO have an official Washington envoy? 😛 Or maybe they had a congressman who was willing to press for impeachment if only Arpaio could get the goods?

  86. avatar
    RanTalbott July 13, 2015 at 4:44 pm #

    Curious George: A deposition may be in his future.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to find out there was a “deposition” when he found out about the emails that had been unsealed…

    It’s simply not credible that he was unaware that Zullo was stalling for 16 months.

    bgansel9: Does MCSO have an official Washington envoy?

    Who was that cabdriver/cub reporter that was showing him around D.C., and wrote a puff piece about him? Now that it’s been revealed that he supposedly went to the National Archives to get “web images”, I’m wondering if there was some accidental truth to my joke about the cabbie taking him to strip clubs…

  87. avatar
    Curious George July 13, 2015 at 8:11 pm #

    Ran Talbott,

    “Who was that cabdriver/cub reporter that was showing him around D.C., and wrote a puff piece about him? ”

    That would be ace cab driver Randy Foreman. He was Zooolows tour guide, and assistant, and cab driver in DC. He reported for NewsBlaze.

    I recall him appearing on the Mike Volin show last summer. What I found very interesting is that apparently Zoooolow had Randy sign a non-disclosure agreement to keep those super, sekrit, sekrits a sekrit at the Library of Congress.

    Didn’t Chief Kessler also say that Zooolow wanted everyone to sign non-disclosure agreements at Richard Mack’s CSPOA meeting?

  88. avatar
    john July 14, 2015 at 9:41 am #

    July 13, 2015 has passed. I persume Cody Robert Judy has failed to get his SCOTUS petition in. I guess his case has now effectively been dismissed.

  89. avatar
    Punchmaster via Mobile July 14, 2015 at 10:01 am #

    john:
    July 13, 2015 has passed.I persume Cody Robert Judy has failed to get his SCOTUS petition in.I guess his case has now effectively been dismissed.

    Durrrr. Ya think?

  90. avatar
    Reality Check July 14, 2015 at 10:37 am #

    Well shall see. Thanks for the reminder.

    So will CRJ give the donations back if it is dismissed?

    john:
    July 13, 2015 has passed.I persume Cody Robert Judy has failed to get his SCOTUS petition in.I guess his case has now effectively been dismissed.

  91. avatar
    Benji Franklin July 14, 2015 at 1:45 pm #

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Welcome back, Listeners, and we’re here today on the phone with Mike Zoo Low, answering questions from callers, go ahead with your question, Heinrich Stumpf from pre-world-war 2 Germany, do I have that right, Caller?”

    Mary from Jackson, Mississippi:”Yes, Karl. Mike, I’m real worried about these new happenings in your investigation of Obama and Sherf Our Pie Hole’s new legal problems. I listened to your recent interviews here with Karl, and then read some of those E-mails the court released where you say Mount Gummery gave you no useful evidence at all. That was the Universe shattering deal going down the toilet, and we already know your charges about the BC being a forgery have been waved off by your county prosecutor, just like Congress don’t want nothing to do with investigating Obama, just ‘cause you ain’t got no evidence. So, well, I’ve waited long enough, see? An…an….an well, I want my damn country back is all.”

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Well, you’re a first-time caller, Heinrich was it?…..yessssssss, Heinrich… of course, Hein. Let me thank you, Heinrich, for that great question…and IT WAS a great question, uh…..wait a second…did you have a question? Mike Zoo Low is on the line!”

    Mary from Jackson, Mississippi: ”Yes, Karl, I want to make sure Mike Zoo Low can hear me this time. Mike, can you hear me, Mike?”

    Mike Zoo Low:”Yes, Heiny, I’m a trained police investigator by trade, you know.”

    Mary from Jackson, Mississippi: ”Okay, Mike, I heard you say you’re pursuing this case recently from a brand new angle cause all your years of accumulated progress on this case by using all the funds we donated and the promising angles that were getting you so close to success have resulted in resetting the whole thing to ZERO, is that right?”

    Mike Zoo Low:”Well, I’m just as frustrated as the next guy, because we haven’t made any useful progress – but that’s the nature of the police work I do – you say ‘Zero’….. well, let’s be a little more positive than that, let’s say… well, that I’ve got NOTHING court-worthy on Obama at the moment but remember, Our Pie Hole says, ‘Mike, NOTHING is as close to SOMETHING as you can get!’”

    Mary from Jackson, Mississippi: ”So the investigation IS still going on?”

    Mike Zoo Low:”Oh, bigger than ever! We don’t even know what we’re lookin’ for anymore! “

    Karl Gall Oops!: “We who have experience in law enforcement, Heinrich, call it ‘Casting a WIDE NET’. “

    Mary from Jackson, Mississippi:”…..and can we know where you are, Mike? Somebody said you’ve dropped out of sight.”

    Mike Zoo Low:”Well, I have to follow this case wherever it leads me, so I’ve permanently moved to a place of hiding in what you would call Bombay, India, but to me, frankly it’s close to 16 million people any one of whom might give me a lead to get something on Obama. And I’m in it for the long haul, I may not come back to the states for 10 or 20 years. I can’t run a successful investigation if I’m thrown into prison!”

    Karl Gall Oops!: “10 or 20 YEARS! WOW! Oh, WOW! Did you hear that. Heinrich? We’re THAT CLOSE! Oh, this is EXCITING! But, Heinrich, to really understand what’s going on, you need to get a copy of my new best-selling book, ‘The Rabbi Who Swallowed The New Testament!”

    Mary from Jackson, Mississippi:”You’ve LEFT the COUNTRY, Mike Zoo Low?” (line goes dead)

    Karl Gall Oops!: “Donating Listeners, I want to suggest that conducting an investigation of the POTUS from India, well that doesn’t come cheap, am I right about that, Mike? And Mike Zoo Low, before you hang up, the place where you are staying, I’m wondering, does it sleep two? ”

    Curious George: I saw a move to distance Gallups from this as well. I think I’m detecting some concern from Gallups. A deposition may be in his future.

  92. avatar
    Bonsall Obot July 14, 2015 at 7:33 pm #

    Reality Check:

    So will CRJ give the donations back if it is dismissed?

    Those donations became Big Macs and freedom fries. Do you really want him to give those back?

  93. avatar
    bob July 14, 2015 at 8:48 pm #

    Reality Check:
    So will CRJ give the donations back if it is dismissed?

    Doubtful, since as of today, he was still soliciting donations:

    Today I mention the incredible heart felt lump in my throat when a contribution comes in. Its hard for me to explain to you how tenderly felt each one is. We notice FL., CA., TX., OR., PA., N.C., UT., S.D, VA., MA.,MI., AZ., and one from a U.S. Citizen in the United Kingdom now. We hope to see your State there soon supporting the longest lasting Obama’s Ineligible Case in the Supreme Court of the United States in U.S. History!

    And this gem:

    The longest lasting “Active Petition” in the United States Supreme Court citing Obama’s Ineligibility in United States History now with action starting there on the Docket March 30th and dates of a 2nd Conference scheduled for September 28th 2015. That’s 9 months in that Court alone.

    This genius can’t even count to six correctly.

  94. avatar
    Pete July 14, 2015 at 9:18 pm #

    Bonsall Obot: So will CRJ give the donations back if it is dismissed?

    Ah, no. Birther fund raisers don’t give the cash back. Ever. What would be the fun of THAT?

  95. avatar
    Pete July 14, 2015 at 9:19 pm #

    (More broadly: Why would a seller refund money paid for a defective product, when the entire point was to sell a defective product in the first place?)

  96. avatar
    donna July 14, 2015 at 9:26 pm #

    bob: This genius can’t even count to six correctly.

    LOL bob, KUDOS

    did he mention his DENIALS?

    ~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Mar 30 2015 Petition for a writ of certiorari and motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis filed. (Response due May 20, 2015)
    Apr 27 2015 Consent to the filing of amicus curiae briefs, in support of either party or of neither party, received from petitioner.
    May 20 2015 Waiver of right of respondent Barack H. Obama, President of the United States to respond filed.
    Jun 3 2015 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of June 18, 2015.
    Jun 22 2015 The motion of petitioner for leave to proceed in forma pauperis is DENIED. Petitioner is allowed until July 13, 2015, within which to pay the docketing fee required by Rule 38(a) and to submit a petition in compliance with Rule 33.1 of the Rules of this Court.
    Jun 24 2015 Motion for reconsideration of order denying leave to proceed in forma pauperis filed by petitioner.
    Jun 29 2015 Application (15A25) for an extension of time within which to comply with the order of June 22, 2015, submitted to Justice Sotomayor.
    Jul 1 2015 Motion DISTRIBUTED for Conference of September 28, 2015.
    Jul 7 2015 Application (15A25) DENIED by Justice Sotomayor.

    why is he still soliciting donations? it’s july 14th

  97. avatar
    bgansel9 July 14, 2015 at 9:33 pm #

    donna: why is he still soliciting donations? it’s july 14th

    He knows that Birthers are true believers who won’t go looking for that sort of info? They’ll wait for him to give them the update about the case instead.

  98. avatar
    Bonsall Obot July 14, 2015 at 9:41 pm #

    “…supporting the longest lasting Obama’s Ineligible Case in the Supreme Court of the United States in U.S. History!”

    Well, it’s no “Oldest Established Permanent Foating Crap Game in New York,” but it will have to do.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG6lUHYxUMY

  99. avatar
    realist July 14, 2015 at 9:46 pm #

    bgansel9: He knows that Birthers are true believers who won’t go looking for that sort of info? They’ll wait for him to give them the update about the case instead.

    Akshully, he’s running the con that he doesn’t have to pay and file because the court set his MOTION to reconsider his IFP for conference in September. When his petition is dismissed for failure to pay and file, he’ll claim the court is wrong/corrupt and will file another motion stating he misunderstood and beg for another chance , ask for more money, and drag it out longer, he thinks.
    That way, he can claim he was not at fault and sorry but I used the money for filing the motions.

  100. avatar
    bgansel9 July 14, 2015 at 10:00 pm #

    realist: That way, he can claim he was not at fault and sorry but I used the money for filing the motions.

    I just don’t think like a con artist. LOL You’re most likely correct.

  101. avatar
    W. Kevin Vicklund July 14, 2015 at 10:22 pm #

    bob:
    This genius can’t even count to six correctly.

    Not only that, when the Court denies his motion for reconsideration, the order closing the case will be released October 5, exactly 27 weeks after he filed.

    Which is exactly the same amount of time his previous eligibility suit in 2012 languished in the Court. For the same reason: he filed at the very beginning of the Summer Recess each time, and had a motion for reconsideration both times. The duration of his suits are simply due to timing on his part.

  102. avatar
    bob July 14, 2015 at 10:23 pm #

    realist: That way, he can claim he was not at fault and sorry but I used the money for filing the motions.

    The money will instead be spent of “strategy sessions” (Judy renting movies) and “supplies” (Judy eating at McDonald’s).

  103. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 15, 2015 at 2:00 am #

    Any last shred of hope Falcon had in Zullo is destroyed, and he’s become even surlier! Its fun watching him tell other birthers that they’re fools for still believing! Gives me the warm fuzzies, seeing one of birtherdumb’s biggest cheerleaders reduced to an empty wreck. Birther Report’s admin seems to going with plan B: Spam post new articles, and bury all A&Z materials off of the front page.

  104. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) July 15, 2015 at 4:26 am #

    bob: Doubtful, since as of today, he was still soliciting donations:

    It will transition nicely into “your last hope for getting Obama prosecuted is that I become President, please donate to my campaign”.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Its fun watching him tell other birthers that they’re fools for still believing!

    I’d love to quote him some of his own most fervent defenses of A/Z but can’t be bothered to proxy myself around the IP ban right now. Maybe tonight at home when I’m bored. 🙂

  105. avatar
    Rickey July 15, 2015 at 1:58 pm #

    realist: Akshully, he’s running the con that he doesn’t have to pay and file because the court set his MOTION to reconsider his IFP for conference in September.When his petition is dismissed for failure to pay and file, he’ll claim the court is wrong/corrupt and will file another motion stating he misunderstood and beg for another chance , ask for more money, and drag it out longer, he thinks.
    That way, he can claim he was not at fault and sorry but I used the money for filing the motions.

    I’m thinking that his original petition would have been dismissed already if SCOTUS were in session, but since the Justices are on vacation the clerks aren’t going to bother them with as trivial a matter as this. I don’t know if the clerks have the authority to enter a dismissal order without the Justices signing off on it.

    SCOTUS has very little patience with petitioners who fail to meet deadlines.

    But getting back to the original question, I am certain that CRJ will not be issuing any refunds.

  106. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 15, 2015 at 9:55 pm #

    There was some discussion previously as to the identity of David Webb. It appears David Webb (an alias for Jason Bourne in the books) is an alias for Dennis Montgomery on these emails. See in particular page 19 of the document linked in my article where “Webb” describes “my work” in conjunction with the Montgomery material.

  107. avatar
    CRJ2016 July 15, 2015 at 11:14 pm #

    donna: why is he still soliciting donations? it’s july 14th

    The Election is in 2016 Donna, and the SCOTUS Case is simply one element of the Campaign as a Record of actually preserving, protecting, and defending the Constitution. That’s a big part of actually have a credentialed resume of ‘doing’ the job the oath implies, instead of saying you can do it like so many people are fascinated with by most Politicians now days.

    Perhaps you’ve noticed a Platform, Video Spots, Commercials, Web Sites, Social Media Pages, Interviews, and advertisements?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d-FcfeCPlI
    http://www.codyjudy.us
    https://www.facebook.com/CodyRobertJudyForPresident2016
    http://www.codyjudy.blogspot.com
    https://twitter.com/codyrobertjudy
    Web spot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17nw4bf_-QA
    Promotions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSk7qJXm0ZE
    Platform: http://codyjudy.us/information/cody%20robert%20judy%204%20pres%202012%203%20ropes%20platform.htm

    Positions shorts: http://codyjudy.blogspot.com/2011/10/please-include-cody-robert-judy-in.html
    Positions Longs: http://codyjudy.us/information/codyrobertjudyforpresident2012_012.htm
    CRJ TV : http://codyjudy.us/information/codyrobertjudyforpresident2012_015.htm
    CRJ Wear Gear design/models: http://codyjudy.us/information/codyrobertjudyforpresident2012_026.htm

    In truth there is a whole lot of work you folks ( Bob & Realist) like to call The McDonalds and Redbox Soaps.

    bob: The money will instead be spent of “strategy sessions” (Judy renting movies) and “supplies” (Judy eating at McDonald’s).

    Now, seems some confusion persist and many accusations towards the insinuation that the Court Clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States are incompetent because they haven’t place a “Final Case Dismissed” sign on Judy v. Obama 14-9396.

    donna: bob: This genius can’t even count to six correctly

    Yes, I can, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,.

    donna: did he mention his DENIALS?

    “Denials and Dismissed” are two different things.

    There are lengthy explanations that the Supreme Court provides stating that when in ‘recess’ they are still conducting action on cases that are ‘active’. Since we all agree that the SCOTUS went on ‘recess’ the end of June, what does the ‘Application’ denied on July 7th tells us?

    1) Judy v. Obama 14-9396 is active
    2) An ‘application numbered as Case No. 25A15 was dismissed but as it received its own number, that ‘denial’ does not include ‘dismissal’ of the Case 14-9396.

    Of course you took the time to print the Docket out so we all can see the Court has a September 28th Conference scheduled for it.

    We can also see that Judy v. Obama 12-5276 had no such 2nd Conference scheduled. That was a “REHEARING” applied for that took that case to 2013, not an APPLICATION.

    It is also understandable that if this Summer Recess active case is indeed dismissed in the 2nd Conference of September 29th, another Request for Rehearing can be submitted for a panel of Justices, on the dismissal by a single Justice and would take much longer than the 2012 Case.

    That means this Case is easily up for 3 Conferences where the 2012 Case went through 2 Conferences.

    We all know and recognize that the Justices are busy ruling on motions, applications, and drafting opinions on upcoming cases during recess, so quit pretending they all went home for three months.

    With any luck, the entire nation is going to see Commercials on this between now and then. That time is not going to be wasted that is for sure.

    Bonsall Obot: “…supporting the longest lasting Obama’s Ineligible Case in the Supreme Court of the United States in U.S. History!”

    For Sure!

    Hey, can anyone tell us why Hillary Clinton is spending so much Money? She already spending 230,000 a day. You seen any commercials? I haven’t. She and her Campaign staff eat at Chippotles and then get icecream which is a bit pricey for me.
    $230,000 PER DAY to what? Presumably look at some stats and take a poll? Wow! God forbid them asking the wrong question during the poll!
    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-07-15/hillary-clinton-second-quarter-fundraising

    Finding out that Hillary likes ‘all kinds of ice-cream’ while Hillary’s ORDERING ICECREAM, and eating at Chipotles, Offering to buy for the Media Reporters too! Outstanding journalism questions especially considering she has flushed the server she used while SOS and lied to Congress about the Qatar sales of weapons that were going to Rebels who are affiliated with ISIS!

    I’ve never seen such a fluff piece..I can’t even imagine my Campaign coffers if the NYT did a piece like this on me.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/magazine/re-re-re-reintroducing-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0

  108. avatar
    justlw July 15, 2015 at 11:38 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    There was some discussion previously as to the identity of David Webb. It appears David Webb […] is an alias for Dennis Montgomery on these emails.

    So yeah, “David Webb” receiving an email from Montgomery and then forwarding it onto Zullo would then surely seem to be Montgomery’s attempt to A) burnish his own corroded reputation, and B) try to sow major distrust among Zullo and the two not-pretend detectives.

  109. avatar
    bob July 16, 2015 at 12:25 am #

    CRJ2016: The Election is in 2016

    But the donation meter on your blog is for the fees and costs for your doomed cert. petition, which you aren’t going to pay. The grifter wants to eat at McDonald’s and rent movies on someone else’s dime.

    Now, seems some confusion persist and many accusations towards the insinuation that the Court Clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States are incompetent because they haven’t place a “Final Case Dismissed” sign on Judy v. Obama 14-9396.

    No insinuations; the court will, soon enough, close your case when it is done with its real work.

    Yes, I can, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,

    Yet you still think there are nine months between March and September.

    “Denials and Dismissed” are two different things.

    Technically yes but practically no. Under either route, your cert. petition is dead, over, finished.

  110. avatar
    W. Kevin Vicklund July 16, 2015 at 1:25 am #

    CRJ2016: It is also understandable that if this Summer Recess active case is indeed dismissed in the 2nd Conference of September 29th, another Request for Rehearing can be submitted for a panel of Justices, on the dismissal by a single Justice and would take much longer than the 2012 Case.

    That means this Case is easily up for 3 Conferences where the 2012 Case went through 2 Conferences.

    Nope. The Application for Extension of Time was denied, and you yourself provided the relevant rule that prohibits that specific type of Application from being reheard by the full Court. Unless the Court reconsiders its denial of IFP status at the September 28th conference, your suit will officially end on October 5, 2015. Any attempts to file for a third conference will be futile and the clerks will not docket them. You missed the deadline, your only hope is that they reconsider the decision to deny IFP status.

  111. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) July 16, 2015 at 4:05 am #

    CRJ2016: That means this Case is easily up for 3 Conferences where the 2012 Case went through 2 Conferences.

    When you’re losing a race, it doesn’t matter if you ran twice or thrice around the arena.
    And since this is all procedural delay and not related to the merits, you can’t even brag you lasted 3 rounds in the ring with Mike Tyson while all the others lasted only 2.

  112. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 16, 2015 at 7:50 am #

    Are you proud of wasting judicial resources?

    CRJ2016: That means this Case is easily up for 3 Conferences where the 2012 Case went through 2 Conferences.

  113. avatar
    Curious George July 16, 2015 at 12:38 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy
    July 15, 2015

    “There was some discussion previously as to the identity of David Webb. It appears David Webb (an alias for Jason Bourne in the books) is an alias for Dennis Montgomery on these emails. See in particular page 19 of the document linked in my article where “Webb” describes “my work” in conjunction with the Montgomery material.”

    Yes, I believe Webb is Montgomery after reading the emails.

  114. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 17, 2015 at 1:43 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: There was some discussion previously as to the identity of David Webb. It appears David Webb (an alias for Jason Bourne in the books) is an alias for Dennis Montgomery on these emails. See in particular page 19 of the document linked in my article where “Webb” describes “my work” in conjunction with the Montgomery material.


    He is a clever fellow/artist. I bet he had MCSO and the posse thinking for a while that it was the Fox-connected David Webb, as if Montgomery was complaining to Webb about his efforts to deal with another Fox-connected guy, Carl Cameron, and as if that complaint was passed on to the great Zullo who was being undermined by Anglin. (See unsealed 6/29/14 email, purportedly sent to, and forwarded by, David Webb). I know he sure had me thinking that for a while. It was a nice added touch that Montgomery/Webb had praise for Mackiewicz,

    And, lo and behold, at some point Anglin was off the case/investigation.

  115. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 17, 2015 at 5:55 pm #

    Continuing media attention on this story: While many outlets focus on the $120,000 number that surfaced in released emails, that number is far from the total expense, that included the salaries of deputies who babysat Montgomery in Seattle, travel and per diem. It also doesn’t include the cost of a condominium for Montgomery where the work was carried out.

    The Phoenix New Times, who has been closest to the story from the beginning isn’t low-balling the expense to the Department. Here is their latest story:

    ARPAIO MAY HAVE SPENT $1 MILLION IN PURSUIT TO DISQUALIFY JUDGE SNOW