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    Dr. Conspiracy April 20, 2016 at 7:33 pm #

    For the Sandy Hook false flag crowd:

    The fake parents of the fake victims of the Sandy Hook school shooting are suing gun manufacturers. A trial date in 2018 has been set, reports the Connecticut Law Tribune.

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    Rickey April 20, 2016 at 10:26 pm #

    A Federal Court judge in Nevada has denied Larry Klayman’s request to represent Cliven Bundy, citing unresolved ethical issues in D.C.

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/judge-again-refuses-let-nationally-known-lawyer-defend-cliven-bundy

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    Crustacean April 21, 2016 at 12:41 pm #

    Speaking of Sandy Hook, court dates, and crazy people:

    “Matthew Mills of Brooklyn is accused of approaching a sister of slain Sandy Hook Elementary School teacher Victoria Soto in November and angrily claiming the shootings never took place.”

    This guy also thinks 9/11 never happened.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/court-date-man-accused-harassing-kin-newtown-vic-article-1.2604934

    Dr. Conspiracy: For the Sandy Hook false flag crowd:
    The fake parents of the fake victims of the Sandy Hook school shooting are suing gun manufacturers. A trial date in 2018 has been set, reports the Connecticut Law Tribune.

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    Dave B. April 21, 2016 at 4:24 pm #

    Pretty cursory U of Cincinnati Law Review article on Ted Cruz’s status:

    https://uclawreview.org/2016/04/13/presidential-eligibility-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/

    In my humble opinion, a law review article on this subject that refers to opinion pieces from the internet without so much as a nod to Charles Gordon is, well, kind of lame.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 22, 2016 at 3:49 pm #

    Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who has his very own personal signed verification of Obama’s place of birth from Hawaii, is still playing birther:

    http://ivn.us/2016/04/22/kris-kobach-rekindles-birther-conspiracy/

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    donna April 22, 2016 at 9:04 pm #

    What would the world do without our friend Joe Arpaio?

    I mean trump loves him and acknowledges him by name at campaign stops for which trump receives cheers.

    And now Arpaio tweets about Prince:

    “Condolences to family of Prince, who allegedly died of overdose. Just celebrated 20 yrs of drug rehab in my jails. Drugs destroying our nation.”

    Some replies from the good folks at twitter:

    @RealSheriffJoe you run a concentration camp you monstrous piece of garbage

    @RealSheriffJoe way to insert yourself in something that has nothing to do with you, you grandstanding sociopath.

    and those were the nice ones

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/prince-died-and-sheriff-joe-arpaio-had-to-be-an-asshole-about-it/

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    Lupin April 23, 2016 at 4:10 am #

    Frankly, the US political scene appears to have degenerated into a third-world-like circus. Trump looks and sounds like General Alcazar (from the Tintin comics) and Cruz like a witch doctor on acid. This might be funny elsewhere, but not when the most powerful military in the world hangs in the balance.

    Even if my little village in the South of France (pop. 1000), in the last month or so, I’ve had to come up with a kind of canned speech to reassure the good folks here that Trump has few chances of actually getting elected. I shudder to think what the impact of his campaign as shown on CNN international on Fox (widely available on satellite) might be on more important people.

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    Dave B. April 23, 2016 at 6:01 pm #

    Neat little package of crazy wrapped up in a birther bow:

    http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/region/4016084-dpi-candidate-chiang-discusses-god-healing-hitler-questions-obamas-citizenship

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    Pete April 24, 2016 at 1:43 am #

    Lupin: Frankly, the US political scene appears to have degenerated into a third-world-like circus.

    That’s only because the US political scene has, in fact, degenerated into a third-world-like circus.

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    Lupin April 24, 2016 at 6:17 am #

    I thought you might all get a kick out of this:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/24/texas-secessionists-already-have-an-embassy-in-paris.html

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    Dave B. April 24, 2016 at 5:19 pm #

    So according to this guy, being a natural born citizen is a character trait:

    http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/letters/2016/04/24/Let-me-explain-what-it-means-to-vote-biblically/stories/201604240128

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    gorefan April 25, 2016 at 12:15 pm #

    So there is this guy running for Congress …

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/will-jawando-youngest-candidate-crowded-maryland-congressional-race-n561301

    “The son of an African immigrant father who fled civil war in Nigeria, and a white mother from Kansas …”

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    donna April 25, 2016 at 11:46 pm #

    Best/scariest photo evuh in addition to the article.

    Trump avoided the draft, but called his sex life in the 1980s “my personal Vietnam.” Citing his fear of sexually transmitted diseases, he said, “I feel like a great and very brave soldier.”

    http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/trump-at-war/

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    Thrifty April 26, 2016 at 1:29 pm #

    Today was the primary in my state of Delaware. I voted Hilary. I was surprised to see that some of the candidates who dropped out, like Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush, were still on the ballot.

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    gorefan April 26, 2016 at 4:30 pm #

    Thrifty:
    Today was the primary in my state of Delaware.I voted Hilary.I was surprised to see that some of the candidates who dropped out, like Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush, were still on the ballot.

    In some states the candidate has to file an affidavit with the SoS of the state to have their name taken off the ballot. The states don’t automatically take your name off when you suspend your campaign. I suspect once you suspend your campaign having your name removed from the future ballots is low on the list of priorities.

    Examples from California

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-sac-essential-politics-20160321-htmlstory.html#5319

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-sac-essential-politics-20160321-htmlstory.html#5492

    In some congressional districts in New York, Ben Carson got more votes than Ted Cruz.

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    J.D. Sue April 26, 2016 at 9:12 pm #

    donna: Best/scariest photo evuh in addition to the article.

    —-
    Saw/read it this morning. Mind blowing.

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    Rickey April 28, 2016 at 10:03 am #

    Over on Facebook, Obama haters have resurrected the persistent myth that he has cancelled the National Day of Prayer.

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    gorefan April 28, 2016 at 11:08 am #

    Interesting 538 article.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/who-will-debunk-the-debunkers/

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    Dave B. April 28, 2016 at 12:35 pm #

    I grew up in a place where time has kept its own time for a long time, and I’ve got a lot of Facebook friends who have a certain…nostalgia for a world that has long gone, never to return without the intervention of some kind of cataclysm. For which some pine. Anyway, just lately I’ve seen that myth showing up in my news feed, along with a photo from Christians for Michele Bachmann, showing US currency from the $1 bill to the $100 bill, saying “Like and share if you think only presidents should be on our money,” with the caption “Rosa Tubman is a very important historical person,
    BUT THERE SHOULD BE A LAW
    ONLY PRESIDENTS ON ARE MONEY.”
    I’ve also seen a group photo of the cast of “Tropic Thunder” saying “Sadly less than 2% of you will like and share this picture of brave Vietnam soldiers, so lets see how many likes and shares they can get, #WarIsHell”
    Both re-posted in all sincerity, and racking up the likes and shares.

    Rickey:
    Over on Facebook, Obama haters have resurrected the persistent myth that he has cancelled the National Day of Prayer.

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    Dave B. April 28, 2016 at 1:58 pm #

    Interesting article about Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents’ Dinner, which puts my own armchair psychoanalysis in its place:
    http://newskar.com/2016/04/28/i-sat-next-to-donald-trump-at-the-infamous-2011-white-house-correspondents-dinner/

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    Dave B. April 28, 2016 at 2:07 pm #

    More birther goofiness from Bill Still at the Still Report:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DUdn1-NUVI

    “The term “citizen at birth” is a term used in the 14th Amendment. It states:
    “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States ….””

    I pointed out over there that somebody who says a term is used in a law and then quotes the law not using that term is not somebody I want to be turning to for informed commentary.

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    Reality Check April 28, 2016 at 5:01 pm #

    Comment at BR from Ramboike:

    9 hours ago @ Birther Report – Happy Birthday To Obam… · 9 replies · +11 points
    Obots at Dr Con’s leftist propaganda site can’t figure out where natural-born citizen needing two citizen parents came from.

    I’ll help them out. I’m nice like that. It came from a historical law text: Emmerich de Vattel’s Law of Nations, Book 1, Chapter XIX. Section 212.

    You’re Welcome

    Rambo is just ate up with stupid.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 28, 2016 at 9:14 pm #

    His time machine is one of Franklin’s lesser-known inventions.

    Reality Check:
    Comment at BR from Ramboike:

    Rambo is just ate up with stupid.

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    Keith April 28, 2016 at 9:53 pm #

    Dave B.: BUT THERE SHOULD BE A LAW
    ONLY PRESIDENTS ON ARE MONEY.”

    For completeness:

    1 President Washington
    2 President Jefferson
    5 President Lincoln
    10 NOT PRESIDENT Alexander Hamilton
    20 President Jackson
    50 President Grant
    100 NOT PRESIDENT Benjamin Franklin

    – note values above 100 dollars are no longer issued
    – they remain legal tender for use in transactions
    – most note still in circulation are in private numismatic collections

    500 President McKinley (preceded by NON PRESIDENT John Marshall)
    1000 President Cleveland (preceded by NOT PRESIDENT Alexander Hamilton)
    5000 President Madison
    10000 NOT PRESIDENT Salmon Chase

    The $100,000 Gold Certificate was used only for official transactions between Federal Reserve Banks and was not circulated among the general public. This note cannot be legally held by currency note collectors.

    100000 President Wilson

    So there is no REAL tradition. Most notes honor Presidents, but not all. The designs for the high denomination notes are close to 100 years old.

    Information from BUREAU OF ENGRAVING AND PRINTING U.S. Department of the Treasury: U.S. Currency

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    The Magic M (not logged in) April 29, 2016 at 3:03 am #

    Dave B. (quoting 3rd party source): BUT THERE SHOULD BE A LAW
    ONLY PRESIDENTS ON ARE MONEY

    Fine, let’s put Obama on the $100 bill. 😀

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    Lupin April 29, 2016 at 5:15 am #

    Ironically $20 is probably what her master paid for Harriet Tubman.

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    Lupin April 29, 2016 at 5:17 am #

    Reality Check:
    Comment at BR from Ramboike:

    Rambo is just ate up with stupid.

    And it’s not as if that paragraph hadn’t been explained to him like a gazillion times before.

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    Crustacean April 29, 2016 at 12:16 pm #

    That does it! I hereby declare that I shall no longer turn to Michelle Bachman for my reality-based personal edification. (Only wishing I’d figured this out before I stopped vaccinating my kids. Who knew the measles virus was such a downer!)

    Keith: So there is no REAL tradition. Most notes honor Presidents, but not all. The designs for the high denomination notes are close to 100 years old.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater April 29, 2016 at 7:25 pm #

    There have been 40 non-presidents to appear on US money this is out of 53 individuals.

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    trader Jack April 30, 2016 at 1:52 am #

    The Heltan Mananga (sic) vs. Helton Mananga (sic) may be simply explained.

    the actual signer was a secretary! Nice handwriting, and she spelled the name the way it was spelled in the stamp! Helton.
    Now in the 1963 bc that LDS has it is the same handwriting as on the 61 bc.

    Note, if you will, that the last letter in both signatures ends in the same upward curl, and the similarity in the nice handwriting.

    now you may think that both actual registrars would have the same neat hand writing and the same upword curl, but that would be stretching even your beliefs.

    Do you think Heltan would sign something with his name mis-spelled
    But a secretary , assigned to sign those things, would just copy what the stamp said. and spell it that way.

    So why not just forget that little blur in the evidence even though it supports your position

    [Dear birther troll,

    This topic was discussed at length years ago. If you had been paying attention you would know that Maganga was not the administrator when the “Smith certificate” (AKA the POSFKBC) was signed. That fact makes your comment nonsense. So go away. You have nothing to offer. Doc]

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    Thrifty April 30, 2016 at 10:20 am #

    And the strange thing is you don’t even have to know a fact like that, or any sort of history about American currency, to know that non-presidents have been on bills. As noted earlier, Hamilton is currently on the $10, Franklin is currently on the $100, neither of whom were ever president. I can forgive someone for not knowing that Franklin is on the $100…. people don’t carry those around much unless. But the 10…. everyone’s had a 10 dollar bill.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater:
    There have been 40 non-presidents to appear on US money this is out of 53 individuals.

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    James M April 30, 2016 at 3:06 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater:
    There have been 40 non-presidents to appear on US money this is out of 53 individuals.

    I wonder if that includes film actress, model, columnist and talk radio host Doris Doscher.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater April 30, 2016 at 5:08 pm #

    Thrifty:
    And the strange thing is you don’t even have to know a fact like that, or any sort of history about American currency, to know that non-presidents have been on bills.As noted earlier, Hamilton is currently on the $10, Franklin is currently on the $100, neither of whom were ever president.I can forgive someone for not knowing that Franklin is on the $100…. people don’t carry those around much unless.But the 10…. everyone’s had a 10 dollar bill.

    That’s just on paper currency I didn’t count the actual coins.

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    Rickey April 30, 2016 at 10:36 pm #

    CRJ isn’t the only ex-con to run for president this year, because Keith Judd is back! And Judd has actually managed to get his name on some primary ballots.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/keith-judd-west-virginia-democratic-primary

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    Joey May 1, 2016 at 1:58 pm #

    Anybody catch the John Boehner-Barack Obama comedy video last night at the White House Correspondnts Dinner?
    Obama is at the DMV because Boehner told him he’s going to need a driver’s license in retirement. The lady at the DMV asks to see his birth certificate, looks at it skeptically, and they go back and forth on its authenticity.

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    donna May 1, 2016 at 2:09 pm #

    Joey: Anybody catch the John Boehner-Barack Obama comedy video last night at the White House Correspondnts Dinner?

    Obama/Boehner Skit At White House Correspondents’ Dinner; 5-1-2016

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJJTVZRe3f0

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    Dr. Conspiracy May 1, 2016 at 3:37 pm #

    That was a hoot. I wonder if that was Obama’s real birth certificate.

    donna: Joey: Anybody catch the John Boehner-Barack Obama comedy video last night at the White House Correspondnts Dinner?

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    Joey May 1, 2016 at 4:29 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    That was a hoot. I wonder if that was Obama’s real birth certificate.

    Sigh…don’t you know by now Doc that there is no REAL Obama birth certificate?–Dorly Skates 🙂

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    Dr. Conspiracy May 2, 2016 at 5:02 pm #

    The Montgomery v. Risen lawsuit has been transferred to the District of Columbia as of this past January. The judge anticipates a trial date this year; however, there are many motions pending.

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    RanTalbott May 2, 2016 at 7:02 pm #

    Joey: Anybody catch the John Boehner-Barack Obama comedy video last night at the White House Correspondnts Dinner?

    I hadn’t, and it’s great. Thanks for the heads-up.

    I was pleasantly surprised to see that it was the real Boehner, not someone playing the part. And that it looks like his colostickectomy was a success. His scenes with Obama were reminiscent of Reagan and O’Neill, and I’m starting to wonder whether the whole “mendacious obstructionist a-hole” thing was just an act.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) May 3, 2016 at 8:31 am #

    RanTalbott: and I’m starting to wonder whether the whole “mendacious obstructionist a-hole” thing was just an act

    It was part of his profession, not his personality.
    (Just like part of my job is being über-sensitive about data security – which some people around here would call “obstructionist” – although I’m more of a laissez-faire person in private.)

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    Dave B. May 3, 2016 at 2:42 pm #

    George Washington Law Review article on “The Natural-Born Citizen Clause, Popular Constitutionalism, and Ted Cruz’s Eligibility Question”:

    http://www.gwlr.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/84-Geo.-Wash.-L.-Rev.-Arguendo-36.pdf

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    bob May 3, 2016 at 3:12 pm #

    Dave B.:
    George Washington Law Review article on “The Natural-Born Citizen Clause, Popular Constitutionalism, and Ted Cruz’s Eligibility Question”:

    http://www.gwlr.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/84-Geo.-Wash.-L.-Rev.-Arguendo-36.pdf

    Apuzzo, Taitz, and Klayman are referenced in footnote 46.

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    Dave B. May 3, 2016 at 9:06 pm #

    So Cruz threw in the towel.

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    gorefan May 3, 2016 at 9:11 pm #

    Dave B.:
    So Cruz threw in the towel.

    That only leaves President Obama for the birthers to go after. Will we start to see Birther Reporter turn back to longing for A/Z Day?

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    Dave B. May 3, 2016 at 9:24 pm #

    Well, you know some never let up. I read this comment the other day, brand new and just like 2012 all over again:

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thedailycaller/heidi_cruz_ted_is_an_immigrant_the_daily_caller/#comment-2653471208

    “There is a new article on Before it’s News, Vattell’s 2, long but lots of info. This may change things, apparently just recently discovered. It explains why Vattell’s Law of Nations is a recognized authority on natural law. It may get obama removed from office.”

    gorefan: That only leaves President Obama for the birthers to go after.Will we start to see Birther Reporter turn back to longing for A/Z Day?

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    Rickey May 3, 2016 at 9:59 pm #

    The Magic M (not logged in): It was part of his profession, not his personality.

    The perception was that the Tea Party was largely responsible for the Republicans to take control of the House in 2010, which in turn allowed Boehner to become Speaker of the House. He felt that he had to pacify them. There also was the self-imposed Republican rule that no legislation would be brought up for a vote unless a majority of House Republicans supported it. This effectively ruled out the possibility of compromise legislation getting through which was supported by Democrats and a minority of Republicans.

    Boehner was a compromiser by nature, but too many Republicans had no interest in compromising on anything.