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Trump beats cockroaches in head-to-head contest

Trump vs cockroach

imageThe poll results are in. Donald Trump beat cockroaches in a Public Policy Polling favorable opinion contest, edging out the nasty little critters by a solid 6 points (45/30). Cockroaches and hemorrhoids were the only two categories in the poll where Trump came out on top with a more favorable opinion. Respondents had a lower opinion of Trump than Used Car Salesmen, Traffic Jams, Hipsters, DMV, Root Canals, Jury Duty and Lice (by a whopping 26 points).

Conspiracy belief among Trump supporters

But, dear friends, I’m not here to talk about Donald Trump. No, I’m here to talk about Trumpsters and how they feel about certain conspiracy theories. Trump himself seems to be somewhat of a conspiracy theorist, and so PPP wondered if that carried over to his supporters. Of that narrow 34% of voters who in general have a positive opinion of Trump, they asked about beliefs in various conspiracy theories, and the results were:

  • 65% think President Obama is a Muslim, only 13% think he’s a Christian.
  • 59% think President Obama was not born in the United States, only 23% think that he was.
  • 27% think vaccines cause autism, 45% don’t think they do, another 29% are not sure.
  • 24% think Antonin Scalia was murdered, just 42% think he died naturally, another 34% are unsure.
  • 7% think Ted Cruz’s father was involved in the assassination of JFK, 55% think he was not involved, another 38% are unsure.

Crazification Factor

In the poll, PPP found that 5% of respondents said that Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer. Go figger.

99 Responses to Trump beats cockroaches in head-to-head contest

  1. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) June 2, 2016 at 6:01 am #

    Isn’t the crazification factor around 27% (about on par with the autism belief)?
    And wouldn’t it likely be higher among this crowd?

    Hard to tell because the conspiracy theories with higher percentages are the generic Obama smears that are quite common among RW’s.

    As you yourself said, maybe answered in the affirmative against better knowledge simply to abuse the poll as a means of making a political statement (“I don’t like Obama, and if I and many other say he wasn’t born here, that will damage him”).

    The same may be said about the “not sure” crowd – especially among RW’s, this may equate to “I haven’t seen evidence that leaves not a smidgen of doubt”.
    E.g., if someone asks me whether I believe Queen Elisabeth spent a night with Hitler, I’d say “no”, but someone who only believes stuff he likes (“Reagan was great”) and stuff he’s seen positive proof of would probably answer “not sure”, because you never know what crazy stuff happened.

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    Lupin June 2, 2016 at 6:34 am #

    It is also possible the respondents are lying to the poll-takers just to have fun.

    We do get a number of junk calls from foreign-sounding operators trying to sell us solar panels and alternate power (electricity) providers — often women.

    The other day, I cut the lady off right away and said breathlessly, “I’ve got the money; I’m finishing burying my wife and I’ll be with you in half-an-hour” and hung up.

    I’m sure I made her day but may have also shown as an outlier on their call statistics.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 2, 2016 at 5:29 pm #

    The Crazification factor is not a quantified social science theory. It was just a remark someone made that people voting for Alan Keyes against Obama in Illinois was crazy.

    The Magic M (not logged in): Isn’t the crazification factor around 27%

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 2, 2016 at 9:10 pm #

    I guess I should have Photoshopped Trump’s head onto one of those cockroaches. There’s been some attaching Trump’s head to chickens on the net since he backed out of the debate with Sanders.

  5. avatar
    Ellen June 3, 2016 at 11:32 am #

    While I certainly am not a Trump supporter, it does seem unfair to do the Trump vs used car salesmen bit, etc, and not do the same thing for Hillary. I wonder what the findings would be when those preferences are compared with the same for Trump?

    Despite Trump being laughable and Hillary sensible there is a current of dislike for Hillary, and it is irrational to deny it.

  6. avatar
    Reality Check June 3, 2016 at 11:52 am #

    There has been a “current of dislike” for the Clintons from the moment Bill Clinton took office and took a job that Republicans thought they perpetually owned. There is a similar “current of dislike” for the Obamas for similar reasons.

    Any Democratic leader who is successful is going to have high negatives because talk radio is 90% right wing and one major cable news outlet is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Republican party. They have spent years finding reasons to bash Hillary and they are not stopping any time soon.

    Ellen: Despite Trump being laughable and Hillary sensible there is a current of dislike for Hillary, and it is irrational to deny it.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 3, 2016 at 12:31 pm #

    Reality Check:
    There has been a “current of dislike” for the Clintons from the moment Bill Clinton took office and took a job that Republicans thought they perpetually owned. There is a similar “current of dislike” for the Obamas for similar reasons.

    Any Democratic leader who is successful is going to have high negatives because talk radio is 90% right wing and one major cable news outlet is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Republican party. They have spent years finding reasons to bash Hillary and they are not stopping any time soon.

    That’s why I think it’s just going to get worse. I always thought in 2008 it was funny how even Republicans were talking about how great Hillary was and now they all had to walk this back. I figured they would have more crap conspiracy theories about Hillary than Obama in 2008 but they sure surprised me.

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    Crustacean June 3, 2016 at 1:28 pm #

    I get your point, Ellen. However, I don’t really have a problem with the unfairness of it all, because much of the negative feelings toward Clinton stem from bogus accusations (Vince Foster, Benghazi, etc. etc. etc.) whereas Trump is much more deserving of such opinions. Comparing Trump to a dishonest used car salesman is like comparing apples to apples. Clinton isn’t even in Trump’s league when it comes to the “used car salesman” routine.

    I’ve rolled my eyes at plenty of Hillary’s comments. When she went on a radio show that she knew had a mostly African American audience and said she carries hot sauce around with her 24/7 (just like Beyoncé!), it was wince-inducing. But that’s pretty standard pandering for an American politician. Compare that to Donald “you can’t beat the bible” Trump, and you’ll see that he displays wizard-level pandering skills.

    Did Hillary ever take the stage like a QVC pitchwoman to boast and lie about her business success? Hey, look at all these steaks, wine, and magazines! Everyone says they’re terrific! Don’t bother asking if any of it is real or not, Trumpsters, ’cause you might not like the answer.

    Wait, who am I kidding! Trumpsters don’t care about the truth, they just want an authoritarian to fix everything in their miserable lives. So I say, Cry ‘Havoc!’, and let slip the cockroaches of political war!!

    Ellen: While I certainly am not a Trump supporter, it does seem unfair to do the Trump vs used car salesmen bit, etc, and not do the same thing for Hillary.

  9. avatar
    Crustacean June 3, 2016 at 1:32 pm #

    Please, no! That image is nauseating enough as it is!

    Dr. Conspiracy: I guess I should have Photoshopped Trump’s head onto one of those cockroaches.

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    Joey June 3, 2016 at 1:50 pm #

    The Gallup Organization has been conducting an annual poll since 1946 of the Most Admired Person or the Most Admired Man & Woman Eleanor Roosevelt finished first thirteen times and Dwight Eisenhower finished first twelve times. Hillary Clinton has finished first a record twenty times. That kind of positive name recognition goes a long way in politics.

    Most Admired Woman
    1990: Margaret Thatcher
    1991: Barbara Bush
    1992: Barbara Bush
    1993: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    1994: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    1995: Mother Teresa
    1996: Mother Teresa
    1997: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    1998: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    1999: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    2000: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    2001: Laura Bush
    2002: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    2003: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    2004: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    2005: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    2006: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    2007: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    2008: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    2009: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    2010: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    2011: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    2012: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    2013: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    2014: Hillary Rodham Clinton
    2015: Hillary Rodham Clinton

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/1678/most-admired-man-woman.aspx

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    Crustacean June 3, 2016 at 1:59 pm #

    I see Mother Teresa fell off that list right around the time Christopher Hitchens went to work on her. Coincidence?

    What’s that, you say? She died in 1997? OK, maybe Hitch shouldn’t get the credit after all…

    Joey: Most Admired Man & Woman

  12. avatar
    Ellen June 3, 2016 at 3:03 pm #

    Re: “Did Hillary ever take the stage like a QVC pitchwoman to boast and lie about her business success? Hey, look at all these steaks, wine, and magazines! Everyone says they’re terrific! Don’t bother asking if any of it is real or not, Trumpsters, ’cause you might not like the answer.”

    We are in total agreement.

    Yet what counts are the figures themselves. Regardless of whether the figures were caused by lies. Regardless of whether or not Trump deserves his rating, the only way to show a fair evaluation of opinion is to ask the same questions about Trump and Hillary.

    Moreover, any bad ratings for Hillary would presumably fade in time, since they are based on lies, while those of Trump will continue because they are based on the truth. But there is no way of measuring without asking the questions.

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    trader jack June 3, 2016 at 3:19 pm #

    How could Hillary take the stage and brag about her business success?

    Has she every earned a dollar in business?

    And all bad things claimed about Hillary are just lies?

    good heavens, has she been nominated for sainthood, or something?

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    James M June 3, 2016 at 3:45 pm #

    Crustacean: she carries hot sauce around with her 24/7

    I had not heard this one. It’s a very common thing where I’m from, to carry McIlhenny Tabasco sauce with you. As in, just about every woman in my mother’s generation can reliably be expected to have a bottle in her purse. If you’re ever near Lafayette, the tour of the Tabasco plant is worth taking. They protect the pepper fields with a wetlands preserve, and it’s lovely. During the tour, you get the opportunity to taste cask-strength tabasco sauce. This is not a good idea for those with no tolerance.

    I don’t see the racial element of this, because in Louisiana and East Texas, Tabasco sauce transcends racial lines.

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    James M June 3, 2016 at 3:46 pm #

    Ellen: Despite Trump being laughable and Hillary sensible there is a current of dislike for Hillary, and it is irrational to deny it.

    Her opposition expresses dislike for her, no surprise there.

    I contend that this is an asset for the campaign, as the opposition readily identifies itself as unreachable, meaning no resources need to be spent in a futile effort to draw their vote.

  16. avatar
    Ellen June 3, 2016 at 4:28 pm #

    Re: “Her opposition expresses dislike for her, no surprise there.”

    Of course, but what is the opinions of independents? Particularly, what are their opinions in the swing states?

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    Rickey June 3, 2016 at 5:20 pm #

    Crustacean:

    I’ve rolled my eyes at plenty of Hillary’s comments.When she went on a radio show that she knew had a mostly African American audience and said she carries hot sauce around with her 24/7 (just like Beyoncé!), it was wince-inducing.

    Except that it is true. Her love of hot sauce has been documented over the years.

    http://time.com/4297996/hillary-clinton-hot-sauce/

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    J.D. Reed June 4, 2016 at 9:46 am #

    trader jack:
    How could Hillary take the stage and brag about her business success?

    Has she every earned a dollar in business?

    And allbad things claimed about Hillary are just lies?

    good heavens, hasshe been nominated for sainthood, or something?

    trader jack:
    How could Hillary take the stage and brag about her business success?

    Has she every earned a dollar in business?

    And allbad things claimed about Hillary are just lies?

    good heavens, hasshe been nominated for sainthood, or something?

    Trader Jack, yes Hillary has earned many dollars in business. The private practice of law is a business as surely as buying and selling real estate. Hillary is not and has not been perfect … But compared to Trump. He’s been found to tell dozens of lies so egregious that they have been found pants-on-fire false and four-Pinocchio false. He’s been found to have violated one of the landmark civil rights laws of the 20th century, the 1968 Fair Housing Act. He used underhanded tactics to try (unsuccessfully) force tenants out of apartments he owned in the 1980s. Trump University was always a scam even if all the legal i’s were dotted and t’s were crossed (doubtful) because no “secrets” shared for $36,ooo were going to make the dupes, ear, students, real estate tycoons. If the information imparted had been on the up-and-up, it still would not have worked because thousands or tens of thousands of people chasing the same limited amount of dollars in the real estate market would have meant that most would have fallen far short, even with their best efforts.
    Besides, to genuinely teach others how to become a real estate mogul such as himself would have stiffened the completion in the market for himself, resulting in fewer dollars from that sector.
    As near as I can tell, Trump’s success in real estate is due to his unique set of personal attributes. Not the least of which is to take risks — not only with his own money, but other people’s as well. And he doesn’t seem to shed a tear if these others lose their shirts.
    Sexual morality? He’s hammering at Hillary as an enabler of her husband’s infidelities. In view of his own sordid sexual and marital history, this is like a bank robber who shoots a teller claiming the moral high ground over a getaway car driver.

  19. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 4, 2016 at 10:14 am #

    J.D. Reed: Sexual morality? He’s hammering at Hillary as an enabler of her husband’s infidelities. In view of his own sordid sexual and marital history, this is like a bank robber who shoots a teller claiming the moral high ground over a getaway car driver.

    —-
    And I wonder if there is a woman in the world that buys into that Hillary-as-enabler argument. Sheesh!

  20. avatar
    J.D. Reed June 4, 2016 at 1:41 pm #

    Good point, J.D. Sue. I myself wasn’t buying into the enabler meme but mentioned it to make my comparison.
    To clarify another point of my original post, I overestimated the number of people who went the entire route at maximum outlay. I have since read that the entire number who completed the Trump “University” course was 800, not thousands or tens of thousands.
    But the point is still the same. If even a tenth of the 800 had acquired the skills that made Trump his fortune, the finite number of dollars to be made globally in real estates would not have been nearly enough to accommodate 80 would-be tycoons, even if some could have overcome the serious disadvantage of not being grubstaked millions, like Trump was. But to the extent that more than a handful were to succeed in becoming real players in the high-dollar real estate game, they would have become competitors to Trump. So potentially he could have lost more from the enhanced competition than he netted from Trump University.

  21. avatar
    Bonsall Obot June 4, 2016 at 2:20 pm #

    Mrs. B. is whiter than cream cheese and puts that sh!t on everything. People whining about Secretary Clinton claiming to carry it wherever she goes are whiners looking for excuses to whine.

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    trader jack June 4, 2016 at 3:43 pm #

    J. D. Reed , perhaps you misunderstand what being in a business is!

    It is not being an attorney in a law firm, unless you happen to be a partner.

    It is not being a government attorney or a senator or a first lady,

    None of those thing compare to the risk of being in a business and meeting the obligations of a business owner.

    Morality is a nonentity in the practice of law, nor in politics, nor in the human mind.

    It is a function of society., that changes with time and beliefs.

    Everyone preys on the gullible of humanity, and the more it happens it may tend to eliminate the gullible of the society.

    Believing advertising blurbs is one of the problems facing the society and the more funds advertising brings in the more advertising will affect the gullible.

    And that affects democrats and republicans and independents.

  23. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 4, 2016 at 7:11 pm #

    So you would reject Vattel’s philosophy on natural law in “The Law of Nations” and the US Declaration of independence that there are unalienable rights?

    I personally believe that there is inherent moral judment in our nature, apart from social constructs (or perhaps underpinning social constructs). Some would say that these are the result of our creation in the image of a moral God, and some might say that it’s an evolutionary advantage.

    trader jack: Morality is a nonentity in the practice of law, nor in politics, nor in the human mind.

    It is a function of society., that changes with time and beliefs.

  24. avatar
    J.D. Reed June 4, 2016 at 7:12 pm #

    Trader Jack:
    Oh, but Hillary was a partner in the Little Rock Rose law firm. Surprised you did not know this. But by your criterion, looks like she was a business person after all.
    FYI private attorneys are not guaranteed a living. They have to invest money in furnishing their offices, pay clerical staff and utility bills regularly — and maintain a sharp enough edge to their skills that people will continue to hire them.

    So you are arguing for amorality? “Everyone” preys on the gullible? This is the very antithesis of Christian belief. Your post identifies you as an advocate of social Darwinism — a discredited philosophy for more than a century.

    BTW, some politically conservative evangelicals take their morality so seriously that their consciences will not allow themselves to vote for Trump even though this might put someone else they also disdain in the White House.

  25. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 4, 2016 at 8:11 pm #

    It certainly looks like Trader Jack is arguing for that in a couple of comments, arguing that bias is OK because everyone is biased, and dishonesty is OK because there is no valid moral standards.

    Or perhaps his/her goals are more limited–applying only to justifying Donald Trump’s behavior.

    Republican speech writer Peter Wehner said: “When Bill Clinton was president, an awful lot of evangelical Christians ranked moral probity high on their list of leadership qualities, and they attacked Bill Clinton because they felt like he was a moral failure. And now you have Donald Trump who’s a moral degenerate, and a lot of the evangelicals are supporting him. By my definition, that’s hypocrisy.”

    http://www.npr.org/2016/03/03/469005685/evangelical-leaders-question-why-their-movement-supports-trump

    J.D. Reed: So you are arguing for amorality?

  26. avatar
    W. Kevin Vicklund June 5, 2016 at 1:19 am #

    Perhaps traitor jack is unfamiliar with a small US business generally known as Walmart. That’s just one of the several corporations for which Hillary served on the board of directors. Not to mention being a partner in a law firm, as well as the various non-profit boards she served on.

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    Keith June 5, 2016 at 8:02 am #

    James M: As in, just about every woman in my mother’s generation can reliably be expected to have a bottle in her purse.

    I believe that. I don’t like Tabasco all that much, way too much vinegar. But it works OK on scrambled eggs and in a bag of Fritos. I can testify that the ladies in my office in Tucson back in the day absolutely did carry Tabasco around in their purses specifically to dump in bags of Fritos to snack on during the day. As far as I know, they used ‘real’ chile sauce (i.e. Mexican-style chile salsas) for ‘real’ food, even ‘real’ corn chips, but for Fritos, Tabasco works.

    I can get Tabasco in Australia, but not Fritos. And the bottle I’ve got in the fridge has been there unused for 15 years – probably time to toss it I suppose.

  28. avatar
    Rickey June 5, 2016 at 2:31 pm #

    trader jack:

    None of those thing compare to the risk of being in a business and meeting the obligations of a business owner.

    Hillary Clinton has had more business experience that Ronald Reagan ever had.

    The only business experience John McCain has ever had was doing public relations work for his father-in-law’s beer distributorship for a couple of years.

  29. avatar
    trader jack June 5, 2016 at 3:29 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: So you would reject Vattel’s philosophy on natural law in “The Law of Nations” and the US Declaration of independence that there are unalienable rights?

    Of course there are no inalienable rights. No one has the right to life , liberty , and the pursuit of happiness..

    because the government has the power to destroy what it wants if the government is strong enough.
    Life is at the will of Nature, liberty at the will of the society, and pursuit of happiness at the will of your brain.

    Understanding that is more important than the thoughts that are inherent in the human being.

  30. avatar
    trader jack June 5, 2016 at 3:41 pm #

    biases are conscious, and unconscious in nature,

    All people have them.

    Probably heredity, clannishness, and tribal in nature, and perhaps politically also.

    blacks probably hate the KKK even though they have never met one.

    Americans tend to hate the Nazis even though they have never met one.

    Democrats hate the Republicans, and vice versa.

    Just look at all of the phobias that are claimed to exist.in humans.

    Amazing that people think that biases are not part of their particular being
    and lives.

    The animal known as homo sapiens is violent in nature and must be controlled by laws that enforce peacefulness in society’

    Do you think your morals are better than your neighbors, whomever they may be.

  31. avatar
    trader jack June 5, 2016 at 3:57 pm #

    Being on a board of directors, or city council, or representative of government, is kind of like being a check signer at a loan office.

    You are presented with facts and suggestions by the appropriate parties and then decide whether you wish to approve the presentational information.

    Running the business is the job of subordinate parties who take the blame , but do not get the credit.

    But, I agree, Hillary may have been a good investor if she could take $1,000 and turn it into a $100,000 balance in one year of investing. LOL

    By the way, being a theatrical performer is also a business, is it not?

  32. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 5, 2016 at 7:03 pm #

    trader jack: blacks probably hate the KKK even though they have never met one.

    Americans tend to hate the Nazis even though they have never met one.

    —-
    When parents suffered under the terror of the KKK or Nazis, and when aunts, uncles, grandparents et al. were murdered by them, and when such groups still exist and still hate you as much as they hated your older kin, I think it’s unfair to say mere bias is at work in one’s hatred of the KKK and Nazis. If, however, the KKK and Nazis stopped trying to devote their energies toward destroying me and mine and others, well then I would have no issue with them.

  33. avatar
    Crustacean June 5, 2016 at 7:55 pm #

    I stand corrected! I should’ve known mentioning hot sauce would elicit a passionate response from folks (and how!). Hey, I love a good hot sauce as much as the next guy, especially if it has habanero in it.

    So it seems candidate Clinton does indeed carry hot sauce around. So what. All I was trying to say is that Hillary’s pandering is less disagreeable to me than Trump’s – all the more so if she was telling the truth.

    Because I consider Trmp’s candidacy – and his very existence, really – to be obscene, I don’t see a need to be “fair and balanced” with him. He deserves to be compared to a cockroach, as far as I’m concerned. Hillary, not so much.

    Rickey: Except that it is true. Her love of hot sauce has been documented over the years.

  34. avatar
    Keith June 6, 2016 at 1:14 am #

    The intellectual commentariat has finally figured it out… https://youtu.be/PsqKyv86pEY

  35. avatar
    Keith June 6, 2016 at 2:10 am #

    Crustacean: Hey, I love a good hot sauce as much as the next guy, especially if it has habanero in it.

    Hah, weak as sh…

    You needs to get yer hands on some Trinidad Scorpions. 1.46 MILLION Scoville Units compared to Habanero’s between 100K and 350K with McIlhenny’s Habenero Sauce around a measly 7000). Tabasco Peppers are in the 30K-50K range, and the sauce between 2500-5000.

    This is my go to sauce at the moment (no I don’t eat it by the spoonful) : The Chilli Factory Scorpion Strike. If you wanna order some (they are in Australia) you can try http://www.thechillifactory.com.au or google “Scorpion Strike”.

    Who knows? “Scorpion Strike” just might be able to knock out those cockroaches at the top of the page.

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    trader jack June 6, 2016 at 3:46 am #

    J.D. Sue: —-
    When parents suffered under the terror of the KKK or Nazis, and when aunts, uncles, grandparents et al. were murdered by them, and when such groups still exist and still hate you as much as they hated your older kin, I think it’s unfair to say mere bias is at work in one’s hatred of the KKK and Nazis.If, however, the KKK and Nazis stopped trying to devote their energies toward destroying me and mine and others, well then I would have no issue with them.

    When hatred are based upon what happened to people 75 years age then the bias is in the brains of children who were never oppressed by the evil ones.

    And that is what the African-Americans have in their brains today. 150 years our forebears were slaved and we hate the people who held us as slaves that many years ago.

    it carries over into the children who will never see everyone as equal if their thoughts are enslaved with the thoughts of slavery of their ancestors.

    It is pretty inherent in all types of people and should not be happening. It is like the Irish and the English, Armenians and Turkish, Christian and Muslim, all of them remember the past problems. Not to mention the Mexicans and the Americans where the American took over land from Mexico.

    Not to mention simple things like the Hatfields and McCoys of the South.

    Or the birthers and non-birthers. Vituperation exists with the biases, does it not

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    Keith June 6, 2016 at 8:59 am #

    trader jack: When hatred are based upon what happened to people 75 years age then the bias is in the brains of children who were never oppressed by the evil ones.

    And that is what the African-Americans have in their brains today. 150 years our forebears were slaved and we hate the people who held us as slaves that many years ago.

    Jebus Fkn Xmas.

    Do you really believe that? Or anything even approximating that? Do you have any concept at all of ongoing systemic bias that has nothing to do with 150 years ago (except continuity) but everything to do with 150 minutes ago? Are you really that naive?

    I have known a helluva lot of bigoted people in my life, but most of them actually approximated a self-aware human being. You, not so much. Been a long time since I have read anything quite so disturbing (which might have been someones positive review of the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” slander).

    You, Trader Jack, are really putting yourself “out there”.

    Fkn Heck.

  38. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 6, 2016 at 9:29 am #

    trader jack: And that is what the African-Americans have in their brains today. 150 years our forebears were slaved and we hate the people who held us as slaves that many years ago.

    —-
    You referred to the KKK and Nazis–members of racist/ethnic terror organizations. What I feel about members of such organizations does NOT transfer to non-members. I feel no animosity for Germans or white Protestants; I feel animosity only for members of terror organizations. That’s my point.

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    J.D. Sue June 6, 2016 at 9:56 am #

    trader jack: When hatred are based upon what happened to people 75 years age t

    —-
    So, once my mother turned 76 and older, I should just let it go?

    Would you?

    And as I said, these hate groups still exist and threaten our existence.

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    J.D. Sue June 6, 2016 at 10:52 am #

    Keith: Do you have any concept at all of ongoing systemic bias that has nothing to do with 150 years ago (except continuity) but everything to do with 150 minutes ago?


    Thank you.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 6, 2016 at 1:09 pm #

    Keith: You, Trader Jack, are really putting yourself “out there”.

    Fkn Heck.

    Traderjack/Helen has admitted for quite some time that he’s a racist. Anything else is pointless.

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    trader jack June 6, 2016 at 1:13 pm #

    Keith, your comments are an indication of the extent of the problems.
    for instance:
    where is the SYSTEMIC BIAS that your refer to in the USA?

    Of course there are individual biases in the USA, such as the KKK, BLM, republican and democratic parties, the poor, the deformed, the different, but there seems to me to be no systemic biases as the government is constantly trying to protect classes and individuals from direct biases.

    It is necessary to accept the fact that people may be inherently biased about some things and understand that you can not stop that from happening, as it is an individual thing

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    Crustacean June 6, 2016 at 1:59 pm #

    I don’t know nothin’ about no Scoville Units, Keith (OK, I do now, ’cause I just looked it up – the things I learn from reading this blog!).

    I don’t approach pepper sauce as a test of pain tolerance. I just like the taste of habanero. One o’ these days I’ll have to tell you the story of the time I was helping a friend weed his habanero field in Belize and almost went toe-to-tarsal-claw with a huge swarm of Africanized “Killer” Bees. Oh, wait, I just did! That’s pretty much the whole story…

    Keith: You needs to get yer hands on some Trinidad Scorpions. 1.46 MILLION Scoville Units compared to Habanero’s between 100K and 350K with McIlhenny’s Habenero Sauce around a measly 7000).

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    Rickey June 6, 2016 at 5:35 pm #

    trader jack: When hatred are based upon what happened to people 75 years age then the bias is in the brains of children who were never oppressed by the evil ones.

    And that is what the African-Americans have in their brains today.150 years our forebears were slaved and we hate the people who held us as slaves that many years ago.

    Never oppressed? Are you seriously arguing that racism and discrimination ceased with the end of slavery?

  45. avatar
    trader jack June 6, 2016 at 8:30 pm #

    there you go, existing in your mind that discrimination is only between blacks and white as you are referring to the 150 years since the civil war

    Caught in the trap of past history, and ignoring the Indians,Mexican, Japanese, and
    Chinese discrimination

    The country was proud of the internment of the Japanese in ww2, the placing of Indians on reservations, and the ghettos of the Jews and the blacks and Irish, and you can think only of one group of people who were discriminated against

    Japanese did not like their children marrying other than Japanese,
    Chinese the same, Whites the same , Indians the same , and blacks the same

    there has always been racial discrimination between the nations of the world

    People spout things like there should be mandatory intermarriage, which is ,per se, racist , and don’t think anything about it, they say “black live matter” indicating that they matter more than Hispanics, Indian, or other groups, and not too many people voice that believe is racist

    Oh well, that is human nature, just as the male, and females, select their mates by the appearance of the body.

  46. avatar
    CRJ June 7, 2016 at 7:07 am #

    Reality Check: Any Democratic leader who is successful is going to have high negatives because talk radio is 90% right wing and one major cable news outlet is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Republican party. They have spent years finding reasons to bash Hillary and they are not stopping any time soon.

    Ellen: Despite Trump being laughable and Hillary sensible there is a current of dislike for Hillary, and it is irrational to deny it.

    From the Huffington Post article written WHY HILLARY CLINTON SHOULD CONCEDE TO BERNIE SANDERS
    [ http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9836720.html ]
    Comes this video from H. A. Goodman an author, columnist and journalist http://www.hagoodman.com. This segment highlights what the Clinton campaign thinks of the FBI, and especially the FBI’s email investigation, but more importantly it highlights the GROUPTHINK involved here about Hillary Clinton and the cagy tip-toe through the razor blades of criminal enterprise she’s managed to avoid at the ripe old age of 68 and the uncanny defense to pardon based on a “lack of will” to really push a jury the facts because of the “name”. .but that could change and according to the author it will change very shortly.

    As I watched it of course I couldn’t help but think of a few in this group who as Goodman contends are and have been in such a denial and delusion of the FBI Criminal Investigation being conducted by 45 Agents for like a Year.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fKmjcCUo_Ko&feature=youtu.be&a=

    Another video from last weekend with Stephanopoulos a former employee and Clinton Charity Contributor bewildered about her own denial of Rules, and the Inspector General’s Report. Hillary Lies her A** Off and then throws the whole State Department under the Bus for not prosecuting her sooner! “They ALL knew about it!”

    She’s not a safe women as a partner-in-crime. She’d snitch and blabber her mouth off to save her own skin. You can tell how desparare she’s getting and when the wheels come off the Democratic Party Vehicle she’s Driving? Wow!!! Remember it was the simple charge of tax evasion that brought down the monster Al Capone.

    The federal authorities became intent on jailing Capone, and they prosecuted him for tax evasion in 1931, a federal crime and a novel strategy during the era. During the highly publicized case, the judge admitted as evidence Capone’s admissions of his income and unpaid taxes during prior (and ultimately abortive) negotiations to pay the government any back taxes he owed. Capone was convicted and sentenced to 11 years in federal prison. After conviction, he replaced his old defense team with experts in tax law, and his grounds for appeal were strengthened by a Supreme Court ruling, but his appeal ultimately failed.

    He was already showing signs of syphilitic dementia early in his sentence, and he became increasingly debilitated before being released after eight years. On January 25, 1947, Capone died of cardiac arrest after suffering a stroke.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=smcu9bW6NLM&feature=youtu.be

    J.D. Sue: So, once my mother turned 76 and older, I should just let it go?

    Would you?

    And as I said, these hate groups still exist and threaten our existence.

    Believe it or not you just identified with support from Rickey [why] born in the U.S. to Citizen Parents is the [natural born Citizen] requirement. People recall what happened to their mother and father and it can create a fractured bias that can be used one way or the other.

    Rickey: And that is what the African-Americans have in their brains today.150 years our forebears were slaved and we hate the people who held us as slaves that many years ago.

    Never oppressed? Are you seriously arguing that racism and discrimination ceased with the end of slavery?

    WHITEHOUSE TRAGEDY Mrs. Michelle Obama tragically and falsely “laments” she wakes up in the SLAVE BUILT White House. She spoke about the White House and the fact that it was built by slaves and She notices [again] Obama’s [inherited citizenship] from [Kenya] that is prohibited by the [Natural Born Citizen] qualification in the Constitution’s ART II., Sect.1, C-5 for the OFFICE OF PRESIDENT. The Law contested in the U.S. Supreme Court, #SCOTUS, by #CRJ2016 JUDY v. OBAMA 14-9396

    In her LAST ADDRESS to College Graduates while living in the White House:

    “It’s the story that I witness every single day when I wake up in a house that was built by slaves,” she told the Class of 2016. “And I watch my daughters, two beautiful black young women, head off to school, waving goodbye to their father, the president of the United States; the son of a man from Kenya who came here to America for the same reasons as many of you: to get an education and improve his prospects in life,”
    (obviously a major bias for her ineligible husband she would not be called as a witness against his defacto presidency)

    http://www.washingtonstarnews.com/michelle-obama-to-college-graduates-i-wake-up-each-day-in-a-house-built-by-slaves/#sthash.q5t3OUP9.dpuf

    Refuting Mrs. Obama are the Facts.

    White House Total Reconstruction happened in 1945 President Harry S. Truman, his family, and the entire residence staff were relocated across the street. For over three years the White House was gutted, expanded, and rebuilt. Imagine that Mrs. Obama?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Reconstruction

    The new White House she wakes up in, wasn’t built by slaves either.

    13th Amendment Prohibited Slavery as Ratified on December 6, 1865 but Mrs. Obama would have nothing of recalling that to make her points that frankly deny the sacrifices made in the Civil War or progress made the last 200+ years?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    The U.S. Supreme Court in Judy v. Obama 14-9396 attempting to bring the [ natural born Citizen ] (ie. Born in the U.S. to Citizen Parents) substantuating a Nation of it’s own, was [arbitrarily denied] in its Motion for forma pauperis in an [economic discrimination of #Justice.]

    Imagine that Mrs. Obama and you will imagine the hurt, damages, and the criminal conduct propagated in Cover up that essentially gave you the opportunity to address College Graduates of 2016 about your poor state of having to wake up in the White House. It’s indeed a shame, a regret, and a symptom representing unlawfulness according to the same Constitution that prohibited slavery.

    You see, going against the Constitution in your husband’s illegal tendered ineligible occupancy is a bid against the prohibition of slavery. So, your actually promoting slavery, not lamenting it as a historical fact this Country over came!

    For this I am sorry for you. I hope someday you see the light shed on these facts as they are outlined. #MichelleObama #Commencement #Slave #Democrats #SCOTUS #DemDebate #CRJ2016 #Sanders2016 #Clinton2016

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1201463496555098&id=510896692278452

  47. avatar
    Reality Check June 7, 2016 at 7:15 am #

    Yes, slaves quarried stone and helped build the White House.

    https://www.whitehousehistory.org/questions/did-slaves-build-the-white-house

    Construction on the President’s House began in 1792 in Washington, D.C., a new capital situated in sparsely settled region far from a major population center. The decision to place the capital on land ceded by two slave states-Virginia and Maryland-ultimately influenced the acquisition of laborers to construct its public buildings. The D.C. commissioners, charged by Congress with building the new city under the direction of the president, initially planned to import workers from Europe to meet their labor needs. However, response to recruitment was dismal and soon they turned to African American—enslaved and free—to provide the bulk of labor that built the White House, the United States Capitol, and other early government buildings.

    Stonemason Collen Williamson trained enslaved people on the spot at the government’s quarry at Aquia, Virginia. Enslaved people quarried and cut the rough stone that was later dressed and laid by Scottish masons to erect the walls of the President’s House. The slaves joined a work force that included local white laborers and artisans from Maryland and Virginia, as well as immigrants from Ireland, Scotland, and other European nations.

  48. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 7, 2016 at 8:51 am #

    CRJ: Believe it or not you just identified with support from Rickey [why] born in the U.S. to Citizen Parents is the [natural born Citizen] requirement. People recall what happened to their mother and father and it can create a fractured bias that can be used one way or the other.

    —-
    That’s nuts on too many levels to count. BTW, I was born to US citizen parents. And ironically, when I mentioned my mother, I was also thinking about my mother-in-law, who fled north from Mississippi in the 1950’s. Her brother was lynched for being uppity when he returned from US military service abroad. Her family has lived here and been oppressed/murdered here for hundreds of years.

  49. avatar
    Bob June 7, 2016 at 9:24 am #

    I’m surprised that Birthers aren’t celebrating the fact that a Birther will be the GOP nominee. Trump isn’t talking about Obama’s birth certificate but he never acknowledged that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    A Birther as GOP nominee (even though the issue is in mothballs) is their biggest victory to date.

  50. avatar
    CRJ June 7, 2016 at 10:30 am #

    Bob: I’m surprised that Birthers aren’t celebrating the fact that a Birther will be the GOP nominee. Trump isn’t talking about Obama’s birth certificate but he never acknowledged that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    A Birther as GOP nominee (even though the issue is in mothballs) is their biggest victory to date.

    Trumps “label” by those wanting to give him one that matches “Crooked Hillary” that truly has in her wake lowered the standard, it has not been raised by her Candidacy, but lowered.

    Correct she has sold out the Office President for what it was worth before ever getting there, but guaranteeing foreign governments she would be there in the pay-for-play tickets she sold.

    There was no ” email door left open” , this was a [Private Server]. Yes, it housed her email account but ultimately gave her the ability to avoid or delete what she did not want to become public through FOIA.

    The word “Email” used in the description or characterization of what she did doesn’t begin to cover the damages associated uniquely to her criminal cover up in using a Personal Server which involves the creation of a whole network.

    No one ever , no former Secretary of State has ever done what she’s done. She privatized the U.S. Governments entire office in the Secretary of State position.

    We lost it during her whole tenure!

    It may as well have been subverted by terrorist, and in my book, Domestic Terrorism describes this callous calculated castatrophy!

    But.. Getting back to the “Label” Trumps by the liberal Media is “Fraud” and it’s conceived based on the Trump University promise to make individuals rich in real estate.. Like Trump,

    Of course Trumps own success would demand limiting competition, so.. That wasn’t happening. That’s their claim to Trump as a fraud.

    Trump’s success at being a Birther though is much more worthy the Label of “Fraud”. He never filed a single paper on Cruz, or Obama.. Nothing!!!❤ Now, that’s not to say when or if he gets in and wants a change that’s prohibited somehow legally, that he won’t Axe up Obama’s whole ineligibility catastrophe. He could.

    About that time, the SCOTUS might be regretting not hearing Judy v. Obama 14-9396. It’s those little things you roll over thinking no big deal, you find coming back to haunt you by flipping up into your driveline or putting a hole in your oil pan causing the whole engine to seize up bout the time your doing 80 on the freeway.

    Reality Check: Yes, slaves quarried stone and helped build the White House.

    Of course that is not the White House she wakes up in as the Total Remodel Job in 1945 Spells out.

    Come on !😋

  51. avatar
    CRJ June 7, 2016 at 11:01 am #

    Clinton certainly wished the evidence of the “Satanic Server” put to rest and wiped clean by the blood of Jesus, but I’m not sure FBI Director Comey isn’t ones savvy son-of-a-bitch.

    If the Indictment is delayed just right, Clinton’s pardon prosepects … go out the door with Obama as well as her Election bid.

    Democrats are screwed because they been playing the short-sighted vision of first black man in the White House, first women in the White House, and maybe Clinton’s got Katyln Jenner picked out on her Wheaties Box for VP.., to be first transgender.

    Look, the Office of President was suppose to be about Character not chromosomes!

    Of course I know my own incarceration represents to you corruption, just like Jesus Christ label as a male factor must also appear, but any good Babtist would not argue with my call for Mormons to Repent in a religious setting. That’s a Judy fact as well as the Judge being a Bishop in the Church, and the whole videotape being copyrighted by the Church, shown to the Judge denied to the defendant and the public.

    Of course people blind and stupid spiritually speaking, would say Jesus Christ can’t tell a Church called by his name ie. The Church of [Jesus Christ] of Latter Day Saints, to Repent because he died on the cross some 2016 years ago, but I don’t expect you guys to figure that out.

    What you can figure is Trump’s way has been paved in gold, and unless he makes me VP, the principles Democrats think highly of in Civil Rights is going to be snap-crackle-&pop. That’s my new name for Trump.

  52. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 7, 2016 at 11:07 am #

    CRJ: Democrats are screwed because they been playing the short-sighted vision of first black man in the White House, first women in the White House, and maybe Clinton’s got Katyln Jenner picked out on her Wheaties Box for VP.., to be first transgender.

    Seriously you nasty pos gfy judy. Grow the hell up already.

  53. avatar
    Reality Check June 7, 2016 at 11:44 am #

    Yeah that.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Seriously you nasty pos gfy judy.Grow the hell up already.

  54. avatar
    Arthur June 7, 2016 at 12:04 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Grow the hell up already.

    It is probably impossible for Judy to grow up. That’s his misfortune. The fact that he posts here is ours.

  55. avatar
    Bob June 7, 2016 at 12:23 pm #

    Judy,

    Like it or not Trump is a Birther. He will never be able to wash the stench of that off.

  56. avatar
    Rickey June 7, 2016 at 12:30 pm #

    Once again Judy hijacks a thread with his nonsensical rants. He now wants to be Trump’s VP candidate. And he cites “journalist” H.A. Goodman, who has been hating Hillary since at least a year ago.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/ultimate-bernie-bro-meet-the-hillary-hating-rand-fan-who-experienced-the-bern-and-fell-in-love/

  57. avatar
    trader jack June 7, 2016 at 1:40 pm #

    dissent is required in a free society, but it is obvious that dissent upsets some posters.

    How about responding with a least some politeness if you disagree with what someone says.

    when you start cursing or vilifying posters you simply indicate that you can not discuss things that upset your beliefs

  58. avatar
    Pete June 7, 2016 at 2:07 pm #

    Bob: Like it or not Trump is a Birther. He will never be able to wash the stench of that off.

    No, but he’s managing to cover it up pretty effectively with various other scents.

    Assery di Jack, Eau de Fraud, Pathological pour Homme, Clownel No. 5…

  59. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 7, 2016 at 3:46 pm #

    Troll. Troll in the dungeon. Just thought you ought to know.

    trader jack: dissent is required in a free society, but it is obvious that dissent upsets some posters.

  60. avatar
    Arthur June 7, 2016 at 3:50 pm #

    Bob: Like it or not Trump is a Birther. He will never be able to wash the stench of that off.

    Unfortunately, some voters like that odor. To them, it smells of victory. To everyone else, it reeks of ignorance.

  61. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 7, 2016 at 4:11 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Troll. Troll in the dungeon. Just thought you ought to know.

    Didn’t you already ban jack/helen like 5 times over?

  62. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 7, 2016 at 5:46 pm #

    Yeah.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Didn’t you already ban jack/helen like 5 times over?

  63. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 7, 2016 at 5:50 pm #

    At least some Republican leaders are expressing offense at the smell of racism today.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/07/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump/

    Arthur: Unfortunately, some voters like that odor. To them, it smells of victory. To everyone else, it reeks of ignorance.

  64. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 7, 2016 at 8:48 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    At least some Republican leaders are expressing offense at the smell of racism today.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/07/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump/

    I love how Trump is now calling his advisers not very smart after he previously told us he only hires the best people.

  65. avatar
    Keith June 7, 2016 at 9:05 pm #

    Crustacean: I don’t approach pepper sauce as a test of pain tolerance. I just like the taste of habanero.

    Yeah, I like the taste of habanero too. My favorite chili flavor though is chipotle (smoked jalapeno), but no where as hot as the habaneros.

    This conversation is much more satisfying than than jousting with trools.

  66. avatar
    W. Kevin Vicklund June 7, 2016 at 11:25 pm #

    On a lighter note, when I visit this thread on my phone, everything from “roaches” on is converted to ellipses. It’s amusing to my inner 13-year old…

  67. avatar
    Pete June 8, 2016 at 2:32 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: At least some Republican leaders are expressing offense at the smell of racism today.

    Ah, yes. That’s a very popular scent this year. Comes in a couple of different nuances.

    First, we have the “My African-American Here” version, and then there’s “Indiana Wetback.” That one’s on special this week.

  68. avatar
    trader jack June 8, 2016 at 3:39 am #

    I saw an interesting thing on a government site when they were describing, I believe, students in a school by racial characteristics, and listed
    blacks
    white,
    Hispanic,
    black Hispanic,
    Asian
    Indian.

    Now that was the first time I have ever seen a classification of “black Hispanic”

    Would it then be proper to say “black indian”, black white”

    Or perhaps you can tell me what a “black Hispanic” is and why it is considered a different that a “Hispanic”

  69. avatar
    trader jack June 8, 2016 at 3:51 am #

    found it

    “The main aspects which distinguish Black Hispanics born in the United States of America from African Americans is their mother tongue Spanish or most recent ancestors’ native language, their culture passed down by their parents, and their Spanish surnames. Of all Hispanic groups, Puerto Ricans have the closest relationship with the African American community, and because of this there is also increasing intermarriages and offspring between non-Hispanic blacks and Hispanics of any race, mainly between Puerto Ricans and African Americans, which increases both the Hispanic ethnic and black racial demographics”

    Learned something..

  70. avatar
    CRJ June 9, 2016 at 11:23 am #

    Reality Check: Yeah that.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Seriously you nasty pos gfy judy.Grow the hell up already.

    I’m not sure what you mean? If growing up means promoting the [chromosome preferential treatment] afforded Obama and Clinton for the sake of the chromosome itself, I think reality directs you take your own advise.

    The fact I’m assumed childish because I’m looking at a bigger picture is revealing. Although I must say Docs volunteering for the Republican Primary in his State was pure protein.

    DEMOCRATS blew too much powder on Obama In 2008 SOURING THE MILK and now find they are set for devastating Reality Check! Now, if some of these are wrong they certainly can stand correcting.

    #HillaryClinton received 17,493,836 primary votes in 2008. So this year Hillary received 1,594,720 [FEWER primary votes] than in 2008. She lost in 2008 badly!

    That’s not a good sign for the vagina diary.

    2008 more than 35,029,294 votes were cast in the Democratic primary. So Democrats lost nearly 7 million primary votes THIS year compared to 2008.
    Another Obama troubling fact financed by 10 Trillion. Republicans didn’t really say “No” that much. They pretty much gave him the financing.

    This set up Democrats, beside themselves, at what to do when they are given what they want, and it doesn’t work based on a guy like Trump coming out of the wall ,as this Post indicates, only beating cockroaches.

    This is devastating news for the #Democrats but that’s what happens when Establishments start formulating WHOSE NEXT in Coronations that do not see eye to eye with the people because they’re living in the [Establishment Bubble] of GROUPTHINK.

    There may be some truth to the venomous virility coined disgust expressed against the anti establishment here ie. Birtherism making its way to the Office of President. Hemmroids and cockroaches not the pleasant type worms of angry birds.

    Trump has more votes than any candidate in Republican history.

    Trump shattered the previous record by 1.4 million votes — and that was with 17 candidates in the race only two others not ever being elected.

    George W. Bush had 12 million votes in 2000 in primary contest. The Republican Party also set a party record this year in pre-convention state election turnout with over 28 million votes to date which is 139% of the record high voter turnout in 2008.

    This increase in votes can be attributed to Donald Trump more than Bushe’s and Romney’s #nevertrump covering jealousy. Their thoughts of governing mirroring Clinton’s , their admiration of her corruption spoken quietly in back rooms

    In contrast, Hillary Clinton barely beat as the [presumptive] nominee Bernie Sanders ( Relying heavily on pledged Superdelegates) still faces a possible Criminal Indictment by the FBI based on her stealing the Office of Secretary of Defense in a domestic terrorism act unparalleled in U.S. History.

    Of course it wasn’t just a server, it was an Office. The entire and top Foreign Diplomat post of Secretary of State funneled in pats-on-the-back to her own 90% Family Charity 10% to Charity cost overhead.

    That 10% must have been upsetting for them to actually give up.

    If I’m childish, I’ll take it as a compliment under the sun 🎵unless ye be like children he can in no wise enter the kingdom of God. 😌❤

    Those who are Clinton fans are oblivious to the macro political science picture. I’ll say Stoned Cold to the failure she represents as a sincophant of corruption. If that’s the measure of “getting things done”, murder is essentially called constitutional, robbery is a civil right, and the borders of the United States are essentially disbanded as is every office of the U.S.

    Don’t look at me, I’ve never been elected. Neither has Trump., but he has promised a speech possibly Monday that will clearly paint a picture of Clinton without her make-up or $9,000.00 Armani gunny-sack on.

    The Media this time, are feeding out of the palm of his hand, and you hate that don’t you? Because without the make up and the clothes, the picture is really disgusting. Its corruption that is going to be seen and shown on MSM.

    Trump’s a genius at playing Democrats fun-loving gameJanga! The fact you see him as drenched with Birtherism as aftershave, doesn’t remove the facts that he’s got a National Stage and may move Congress to replace any reference in Legislation referencing Earth 🌎 to Trump.

    Hey, Birtherism is BIG! Democrats just haven’t used it as well, because defending Obama with it was the small picture, not the Big Picture. Now Democrats think they have eliminated Sanders they only have Hillary to eliminate Them. She’s been working on that for years!

    That’s what I’m sorry about. I just was not a good enough salesmen to you about that.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nO7GAbBoIF0

  71. avatar
    Daniel June 9, 2016 at 11:49 am #

    Does CRJ actually somehow think the number of votes cast in a primary season equates to support for the party in a general election?

    Really?

    Well I guess it’s a better strategy than rushing the stage with a bomb threat…. but not by much.

  72. avatar
    CRJ June 9, 2016 at 11:50 am #

    Pardon: [Secretary of State], not [SOD] , but her foreign weapons sales sign offs may be competitive with the Secretary of Defense.

    Daniel: Well I guess it’s a better strategy than rushing the stage with a bomb threat…. but not by much.

    Don’t underestimate Primary Season with the powerful directive of Enthusasim.. Like you just fabled Bomb for B.O.M,( that’s Book of Mormon for those unfamiliar with the Ensign Magazine ) in a religiously hateful comment of the Facts.

    You’ll find Democrats for Obama in 2008 to contend with.

  73. avatar
    laker1 June 9, 2016 at 1:12 pm #

    Daniel

    There are a number of models which claim to predict the outcome of presidential elections – http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36473888 . One of them relies on the results of the primary elections, however, it does not compare the resulting candidates against each other but compares their margin of victory over their opponents in the primaries – http://primarymodel.com/

    It would be up to CRJ to show that his model has reliably predicted past elections but I wouldn’t hold my breath. More likely, he has simply read somewhere the Trump campaign claim that he is a “winnah” because more people voted for him in the Republican primaries than in the past or for Hilary in the Democratic primaries. Trump said it, CRJ believes it and that settles it.

  74. avatar
    Daniel June 9, 2016 at 2:00 pm #

    CRJ: Like you just fabled Bomb for B.O.M,( that’s Book of Mormon for those unfamiliar with the Ensign Magazine ) in a religiously hateful comment of the Facts.

    Actually the fact, as a matter of court record, is that you did in fact rush the stage threatening to detonate a bomb, that’s B.O.M.B (an explosive device designed to kill people) in a psychotic bid to gain power over the Mormon Church.

    That’s why you went to jail. I don’t see it did you much good though.

    But do keep trying to pretend you didn’t do it. It makes your “candidacy” all the more ridiculous.

  75. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 9, 2016 at 2:37 pm #

    CRJ: That’s what I’m sorry about. I just was not a good enough salesmen to you about that.

    Have you ever considered not getting high before going on the internet to post comments?

  76. avatar
    bob June 9, 2016 at 3:56 pm #

    laker1:
    More likely, he has simply read somewhere the Trump campaign claim that he is a “winnah” because more people voted for him in the Republican primaries than in the past or for Hilary in the Democratic primaries.

    The articles are easy enough to find, but Judy’s just regurgitating right-wing talking points. An odd thing for a someone who proclaims to be a member of the Democratic party to be doing.

  77. avatar
    Arthur June 9, 2016 at 4:59 pm #

    bob: An odd thing for a someone who proclaims to be a member of the Democratic party to be doing.

    Perhaps he has the sense to avoid soiling his true party affiliation with the offal of his delusions. Even a dog won’t foul his own bed.

  78. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 9, 2016 at 5:28 pm #

    Our unrepentant terrorist is an unaffiliated voter at least that’s his current registration. He registered to vote for the first time back in 2002.

  79. avatar
    CRJ June 9, 2016 at 6:23 pm #

    Arthur: Perhaps he has the sense to avoid soiling his true party affiliation with the offal of his delusions. Even a dog won’t foul his own bed.

    Actually I kind of like that reference. Based on the truth of that, Democrats ought to be much more appreciative of me bringing up what they are trying to tap down. I certainly don’t have the power to do what Trump is set to do Monday which is to bring it to the table in very large doses.

    Your all probably familiar with my Horsemanship Skills, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206491982114270&set=a.10201478838748819.1073741829.1111445485&type=3&theater ,well, you know the thing about a Horseman is he is never really quite relieved of cleaning up the ‘duty’.

    I’ve cleaned a lot of stalls in my life and I do believe my actions both legal and civil in nature, have been with the interest of the Democratic Party in line with the United States Constitution and laws of the land.

    Cleaning the stalls would be understood as a requirement for Candidates taking their Candidacy seriously, especially given the ‘standing’ requirements none of you possess legally in a Court of Law and really take as a laughing stock around here. That has given and been most appreciated by Trump. You have given him that power. You need to understand at least that.

    Will anyone stand up and say, “If Trump didn’t have a Birther Base his tree would fall?” Its’ an interesting thought, but he doesn’t have a legal one, so his pretty shaky, but not if you are for Trump. You know I picture Democrats trying to push a tree over half chopped through from the side that is not yet chopped. Where if they just moved around to the other side of the tree and give a tiny push, that thing would fall very easily. Just know I see through all of your Trump hating speeches as B.S., and I’m not falling for it. You have all done everything in your power to help him.

    While you may be offended in regards to a ‘perception’ in the Primary of ‘soiling’ your Candidate Hillary, overall, the process is best when it leaves us with the best bed to lie in for the General Election. Hillary is the candidate Trump wanted to go against! I thought the tell was awesome he at first said ok to debating Bernie before the California Primary and then quickly backed away.

    The polite inner party primary between Sanders and Clinton, if you are a Democrat, is really a delusion or denial of ‘the horse crap all over your shoes’.

    I have no doubt the Marriott Center Incident issue would be brought up and a very close inspection of it would be taken very seriously by the Media. The facts they would have to admit would be none other than what KTVX had to swallow also. I sense you haven’t read that report? Check out bottom of this Post. If it doesn’t change your mind, they spent 10K trying to get a Tape the Church Presidency copyrighted and info that through the Parole Board and the Judge really demanded public FOIA, was denied to the public.

    http://codyjudy.blogspot.com/2015/02/fight-over-forgiveness-lds-church.html

    Now, we are in the throws of the Secretary of State setting up her own Server to avoid FOIA, something you should be reasonable responsible to, but I’m kind of doubting your really serious under your ‘false identity’ here, and more or less are a prankster. In which case, I have no idea why your not slapping on the back and saying ‘Good One Judy!’ lol.. as even Mo Roca did with Jon Stewart on the Daily Show? : ) oh… don’t tell me you haven’t seen that?

    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/ybem0d/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-putting-the-con-back-in-congress

    Watch! You’ll say he was right and it would have saved us a boat-load of money trimming the tree tops during the primary rather than being fool hardy. Primaries are meant to be very hard, and so I do expect it upon me just as much as Clinton or Obama.

    Daniel: That’s why you went to jail. I don’t see it did you much good though.

    Contrary it did me a lot of good. Your obviously not a subscriber of the Ensign Magazine, which abbreviates the cannon Book of Mormon B.O.M. multiple times every single month of every single year in the Church Magazine. Why not start digging for facts instead of being so dog-gone lazy?

    Your obviously not a fan of facts either and you live in a fairy tale world where what you read in the “church owned newspaper” is the gospel. Are you a saint? You really have no idea about the power of a Theocracy or the danger of one do you?

    That experience I went through, you could ultimately say gave me a very good experience of the danger of it, motivating me to tell you and to appreciate our U.S. Constitution as if it was the Holy Grail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Grail

    What we have here is disbelief of the facts you’re in a delusion about if you are a Mormon, and a real misunderstanding of what facts are if you are not a Mormon. Which is it?

    You do seem to grasp the concept of a Religious Meeting being held.

    As to all the other, you really have not grasp of anything. I don’t think you have even studied it out in your mind as to the facts. Your either out of mind or so determined to push a frame job that Justice has no place in you in good judgement, or?

    Unusual as it may be or seem, the doctrine of the LDS Church allows for just such a test and I could repeat them over and over and over to you. One you might notice even in the Bible was called notably, The Test of Abraham.

    Of course my case is over, but I sense in your desire of exploration that just such a test will come upon you spiritually. You are in fact desiring just such a test. I need no one to believe me, for my record is true.Truth stands as a witness at all of hell’s devils gnashing outrage. Even in your minds, and under your scrutiny, I paid a very high price. Once something is paid for you own it. When you own something you become it’s Master, it does not master you.

    I pray for you, sincerely, that it will be given that you too my brother may come to know Truth- In Jesus Christ’s name – Amen. We will meet one day and I will be interested to hear your story! Good luck my accusing brother. mean time, have a good laugh on me and remember through comedy many lessons are learned and many truths are contemplated.

    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/ybem0d/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-putting-the-con-back-in-congress

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Our unrepentant terrorist is an unaffiliated voter at least that’s his current registration. He registered to vote for the first time back in 2002.

    I’m not sure about the ‘unrepentant’ part unless you have transcripts of my 5 Board of Pardon Hearings..lets see about 25 years ago now? 2002 registration..kind of backs up my story. Although I was registered and voted earlier.
    Ran for Congress in 2002 D
    Ran for Senate 2004 D
    My voter ID 586**** Democratic Party

  80. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 9, 2016 at 6:28 pm #

    Oh look another thread that Judy has made all about himself

  81. avatar
    CRJ June 9, 2016 at 6:58 pm #

    laker1: It would be up to CRJ to show that his model has reliably predicted past elections but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

    While turn out in Primaries don’t necessarily determine election result it’s a 50/50 probability right now running in favor of the non-incumbant. [In the six elections where there were contests on both sides, the party with the higher primary voter turnout won the popular vote just three times. In 1976, 1992 and 2008, Democratic primary turnout surpassed that of the GOP nominating race, and the Democratic candidates won the general election.]

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/mar/06/david-brooks/david-brooks-said-primary-turnout-doesnt-predict-g/

    1976- Incumbent President Gerald Ford lost to relatively unknown former governor of Georgia, Jimmy Carter, the Democratic candidate
    1992- Incumbent Republican President George H. W. Bush; Democratic Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton
    2008- Incumbant Republicans lost to Democratic Party nominee Senator Barack Obama and defeated Republican Party nominee Senator John McCain incumbant George W. Bush was ineligible for a third term.

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    Arthur B. June 9, 2016 at 9:26 pm #

    I was thinking about the big meeting this morning between Trump and the major Republican donors.

    And it occurred to me, at least one of those dudes must be wondering — could this be the biggest grift of all time? Has Donald Trump bamboozled us to the point where his fellow billionaires have been duped into forking over huge amounts of money to him?

  83. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 9, 2016 at 9:59 pm #

    There must be a pony in here somewhere!

    — Ronald Reagan

    CRJ: it’s a 50/50 probability right now running in favor of the non-incumbant

  84. avatar
    Arthur B. June 9, 2016 at 10:12 pm #

    CRJ: it’s a 50/50 probability right now running in favor of the non-incumbant

    Heh. Imagine if it was a 50/50 probability right now running against the non-incumbent.

  85. avatar
    Keith June 9, 2016 at 11:29 pm #

    Arthur B.: Heh. Imagine if it was a 50/50 probability right now running against the non-incumbent.

    Heh. Imagine if there was actually an incumbent in the race.

  86. avatar
    CRJ June 9, 2016 at 11:59 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: There must be a pony in here somewhere!

    — Ronald Reagan

    WHITE HOUSE TRAGEDY uh-ohh..,People worried about my case 25 years ago, but not concerned about what’s happening Today with the leading Democratic Party Candidate?

    WHITE HOUSE calls the FBI Probe a “Criminal Investigation” everyone at ObamaConspiracy.org decides on formal apology to CRJ who said as much months ago.

    [White House press secretary Josh Earnest insisted that the endorsement wouldn’t be interpreted inside the FBI as a signal to let her off the hook ]
    Read more:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3634074/White-House-calls-FBI-probe-Clinton-s-classified-emails-criminal-investigation-glee-Republicans-day-Obama-endorses-her.html#ixzz4B8nEyDkz

    Of course it wasn’t just a server, it was an Office. The entire and top Foreign Diplomat post of Secretary of State funneled in pats-on-the-back to her own 90% Family Charity 10% to Charity cost overhead.

    http://codyjudy.blogspot.com/2016/06/white-house-tragedy-power-of-anti.html?m=1

  87. avatar
    Kate June 10, 2016 at 9:47 am #

    CRJ: Of course it wasn’t just a server, it was an Office. The entire and top Foreign Diplomat post of Secretary of State funneled in pats-on-the-back to her own 90% Family Charity 10% to Charity cost overhead.

    I don’t know where you got your quote above about the foundation’s money and how it’s spent but you’re wrong, as usual.

    “Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina says that “so little” of the charitable donations to the Clinton Foundation “actually go to charitable works” — a figure CARLY for America later put at about 6% of its annual revenues — but Fiorina is simply wrong.

    Fiorina and others are referring only to the amount donated by the Clinton Foundation to outside charities, ignoring the fact that most of the Clinton Foundation’s charitable work is performed in-house. One independent philanthropy watchdog did an analysis of Clinton Foundation funding and concluded that about 89% of its funding went to charity.

    Simply put, despite its name, the Clinton Foundation is not a private foundation — which typically acts as a pass-through for private donations to other charitable organizations. Rather, it is a public charity. It conducts most of its charitable activities directly.”

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/06/19/fact-check-clinton-foundation-money/289

    Even Newsmax, known to be a right-wing site had nice things to say about the Clinton Foundation.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/clinton-foundation-charity-navigator-bill/2015/12/23/id/706932/

    I have many more links if you don’t find these credible, CRJ. You might try doing a little research on your own first.

  88. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 10, 2016 at 9:54 am #

    CRJ: WHITE HOUSE calls the FBI Probe a “Criminal Investigation” everyone at ObamaConspiracy.org decides on formal apology to CRJ who said as much months ago.

    You’re off topic again.

  89. avatar
    Reality Check June 10, 2016 at 10:12 am #

    If we don’t apologize does that mean he goes away?

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: You’re off topic again.

  90. avatar
    JD Reed June 10, 2016 at 12:56 pm #

    Kate: I don’t know where you got your quote above about the foundation’s money and how it’s spent but you’re wrong, as usual.

    “Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina says that “so little” of the charitable donations to the Clinton Foundation “actually go to charitable works” — a figure CARLY for America later put at about 6% of its annual revenues — but Fiorina is simply wrong.

    Fiorina and others are referring only to the amount donated by the Clinton Foundation to outside charities, ignoring the fact that most of the Clinton Foundation’s charitable work is performed in-house. One independent philanthropy watchdog did an analysis of Clinton Foundation funding and concluded that about 89% of its funding went to charity.

    Simply put, despite its name, the Clinton Foundation is not a private foundation — which typically acts as a pass-through for private donations to other charitable organizations. Rather, it is a public charity. It conducts most of its charitable activities directly.”

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/06/19/fact-check-clinton-foundation-money/289

    Even Newsmax, known to be a right-wing site had nice things to say about the Clinton Foundation.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/clinton-foundation-charity-navigator-bill/2015/12/23/id/706932/

    I have many more links if you don’t find these credible, CRJ.You might try doing a little research on your own first.

    Kate, expecting CRJ to do some intellectually honest and thorough research, and to report the results honestly, is like expecting lions and tigers to become vegetarians.

  91. avatar
    Rickey June 10, 2016 at 4:07 pm #

    CRJ:

    WHITE HOUSE calls the FBI Probe a “Criminal Investigation” everyone at ObamaConspiracy.org decides on formal apology to CRJ who said as much months ago.

    Once again, your are wrong. Josh Earnest wasn’t speaking specifically about the investigation of Clinton’s server. He was talking about the role of Federal prosecutors in general. His exact words:

    “They [Federal prosecutors] don’t have political jobs.They have career jobs as law enforcement officers and as prosecutors and as investigators. And that’s what their responsibility is. And that’s why the President, when discussing this issue, in each stage has reiterated his commitment to this principle — that any criminal investigation should be conducted independent of any sort of political interference and that people should be treated the same way before the law, regardless of their political influence, regardless of their political party, regardless of their political stature, and regardless of what political figure has endorsed them.”

  92. avatar
    Rickey June 10, 2016 at 4:17 pm #

    laker1:

    It would be up to CRJ to show that his model has reliably predicted past elections but I wouldn’t hold my breath.More likely, he has simply read somewhere the Trump campaign claim that he is a “winnah” because more people voted for him in the Republican primaries than in the past or for Hilary in the Democratic primaries.Trump said it, CRJ believes it and that settles it.

    And it isn’t true. According to Real Clear Politics, Hillary’s popular vote total is 15,729,913. Trump’s total is 13,300,472.

  93. avatar
    Rickey June 10, 2016 at 4:34 pm #

    CRJ: She lost in 2008 badly!

    Wrong again. She barely lost in 2008.

    The popular vote was Obama 17,535,458, Clinton 17,493,836. This year she beat Sanders by 3.7 million votes.

  94. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 10, 2016 at 5:48 pm #

    First, he’d have to show that he made predictions based on it in prior elections. Just finding a rule that fits a little data is not a prediction.

    laker1: It would be up to CRJ to show that his model has reliably predicted past elections but

  95. avatar
    Rickey June 10, 2016 at 11:37 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    First, he’d have to show that he made predictions based on it in prior elections. Just finding a rule that fits a little data is not a prediction.

    When the incumbent party loses, it’s usually when the incumbent is unpopular. See LBJ in 1968, Ford in 1976, George H.W. Bush in 1992, and George W. Bush in 2008.

    The exception in the past 50 years was 2000, when Gore unwisely decided to disassociate himself from Clinton, who ended his presidency with very high approval ratings (of course, there is an argument to be made that Gore actually won in 2000).

    Currently Obama’s approval rating in the Gallup Poll is 52% approve, 43% disapprove, which bodes well for Clinton.

  96. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater June 11, 2016 at 4:08 pm #

    CRJ: That’s not a good sign for the vagina diary.

    It is these kinds of comments that make me question your maturity.

  97. avatar
    Rickey June 11, 2016 at 10:34 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: It is these kinds of comments that make me question your maturity.

    We would need a psychologist to explain the obsession which many birthers have with genitalia and bodily functions.

  98. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 12, 2016 at 6:06 am #

    I think it’s an attempt to bully decent people, some kind of a power trip. They’re stuck in middle school.

    Rickey: We would need a psychologist to explain the obsession which many birthers have with genitalia and bodily functions.

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    Rickey June 13, 2016 at 2:27 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I think it’s an attempt to bully decent people, some kind of a power trip. They’re stuck in middle school.

    That’s plausible.

    I also suspect that many of them have had unsatisfactory or non-existent relationships with the opposite sex.