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Birther Bishop back

You remember the “grandmother tape,” the edited recording that kick-started the birther movement? The fellow on the US end of the call was street preacher and Anabaptist Bishop Ron McRae. McRae has now joined the ranks of the forensic document analysts in a paper titled Obama’s Hawaii Certificate, courtesy of the ObamaCrimes web site.

McRae’s thesis is that Obama’s long-form birth certificate was a clumsy copy made from the Nordyke Certificate. Never mind that Hawaii Department of Health Director Fuddy supervised the creation of the form and former Director Fukino has stated in writing and on camera that Obama was born in Hawaii.

No Ron, your theory is wrong, and invoking God just makes you more reprehensible.

Equal time for idiots, crooks and liars

I am considering a policy of ignoring crank theories from now on, and not wasting the time necessary to debunk them. Obama was born in Hawaii; get over it already.

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44 Responses to Birther Bishop back

  1. avatar
    James M April 29, 2011 at 1:27 am #

    The game has changed (over). To move the birther cause forward, it would now be necessary to secure a criminal conviction against Dr. Onaka for the crime of forgery. It really hasn’t sunk in for some of the birthers yet, that the facts of President Obama’s birth are known as officially as official gets. We know this has been the case for years, but now the birthers know it, at least to the extent that it has begun to slowly dawn on them that their game is over.

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    Slartibartfast April 29, 2011 at 1:30 am #

    While I still feel that releasing the LFBC was the right move both tactically and for the country, the birthers Polariking the images is going to get old real quick. I think ignoring theories that you see as so insane that they are essentially self debunking is probably a good idea.

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    Slartibartfast April 29, 2011 at 1:36 am #

    James M:
    The game has changed (over).To move the birther cause forward, it would now be necessary to secure a criminal conviction against Dr. Onaka for the crime of forgery.It really hasn’t sunk in for some of the birthers yet, that the facts of President Obama’s birth are known as officially as official gets.We know this has been the case for years, but now the birthers know it, at least to the extent that it has begun to slowly dawn on them that their game is over.

    I don’t think that they understand just how significantly things have changed yet.

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    DP April 29, 2011 at 2:39 am #

    Actually, have you taken a look at the loathsome spectacle going on at Free Republic. Some collection of wasted hydrocarbons called Fred Nerks located a newspaper record of a poor girl named Virginia Sunahara who was born on August 4th, 1961 and died August 5th, 1961. They are so far gone in their madness they just leaped on it and asserted that Hawaii and Obama had overwritten her birth certificate to fake his, They were actually trying to locate her birth certificate to see if the number on Obama’s is the same.

    We’re talking people who have allowed their hatred of Obama to abase them in ways no one else could.

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    ZixiOfIx April 29, 2011 at 4:04 am #

    Slartibartfast: I don’t think that they understand just how significantly things have changed yet.

    I’m so looking forward to seeing what the politicians who kowtowed to the birthers are going to do next.

    They can’t just go back to playing up to the birthers by suggesting that they’d release their certificates if they run, or claiming that the President could end all the controversy if he’d just release the thing. He released it. It didn’t end and the birthers don’t believe it.

    Now they have to either make the birthers piping mad or wallow even deeper into the crazy and sink any chance of being taken seriously on a national scale by a wider audience.

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    Slartibartfast April 29, 2011 at 4:11 am #

    ZixiOfIx: I’m so looking forward to seeing what the politicians who kowtowed to the birthers are going to do next.

    They can’t just go back to playing up to the birthers by suggesting that they’d release their certificates if they run, or claiming that the President could end all the controversy if he’d just release the thing. He released it. It didn’t end and the birthers don’t believe it.

    Now they have to either make the birthers piping mad or wallow even deeper into the crazy and sink any chance of being taken seriously on a national scale by a wider audience.

    I think that pretty much all of them will choose to disavow the birthers (Trump is showing that everyone sees through the affirmative action dog whistle like a bad comb-over…). I expect this to make the birthers squawk louder and turn off more independents.

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    Molly April 29, 2011 at 4:12 am #

    This is going to be getting more out of hand because they stupidly (or cynically) moved the image of the original plain background to a green “security” background. Real experts can tell that the “layering” that resulted might be innocent. But the average person is going to look at what was released and say “that looks fake.”

    Who ever decided to move the image to a green background was either very very stupid, or very very Machiavellian.

    If Donald Trump has an ounce of showmanship in him (and I believe he does), he will be all over this layering business like flies on rotten meat.

    Make no mistake. This is a disaster that is just beginning.

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    DP April 29, 2011 at 4:44 am #

    Molly:
    This is going to be getting more out of hand because they stupidly (or cynically) moved the image of the original plain background to a green “security” background.Real experts can tell that the “layering” that resulted might be innocent.But the average person is going to look at what was released and say “that looks fake.”

    Who ever decided to move the image to a green background was either very very stupid, or very very Machiavellian.

    If Donald Trump has an ounce of showmanship in him (and I believe he does), he will be all over this layering business like flies on rotten meat.

    Make no mistake.This is a disaster that is just beginning.

    I don’t think you can actually do much with that. Not when you have a letter from the state of Hawaii that the relevant official watched the copy being made.

    Of couse the hard core birthers are going to carry on about that until the end of time. But they’d find something to carry on about no matter what. But the whole “where is the birth certificate?” crap is over. The average person isn’t going to follow their insane arguments. The average person is simply going to note that Obama released his birth certificate, and it was attested to by the state of Hawaii. Sane people not obsessed with this will be satisfied.

    If the psychos keep carrying on, it will only make the position of Republican candidates more difficult.

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    Molly April 29, 2011 at 5:08 am #

    DP: If the psychos keep carrying on, it will only make the position of Republican candidates more difficult.

    Yes, we hope. But talking to people at a typical big IT organisation today I note that about 95% of them associate “layering” with the “creative” use of tools like photoshop, leaving only about 5% with the understanding that layering is sometimes created automatically. What I am seeing is that reasonably intelligent people who were far from being “birthers” are noticing that the “Green PDF” looks fake. So the odds are about 19 to 1 against the knowledgeable people even in a reasonably sophisticated IT environment.

    Out there in the “man on the street” environment, the odds are of course much worse. So it is entirely possible that the “psycho” position may actually become the mainstream position, which would actually make the position of the Republican candidates stronger rather than more difficult.

    This matter was handled badly. They should never have attempted to manipulate the appearance of the certificate.

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    Expelliarmus April 29, 2011 at 5:09 am #

    Molly: This is going to be getting more out of hand because they stupidly (or cynically) moved the image of the original plain background to a green “security” background

    That is the way it is SUPPOSED TO BE DONE.. Back in the days when Hawaii did issue supposed “long form” certificates, they always copied them onto security paper. See: http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2010/10/24/evolution-of-the-hawaiian-long-form/

    It is basically industry standard to use security paper.

    One reason is that it makes it much more difficult for anyone to make alterations to the document. Your inane idea that they somehow should have copied the original onto plain paper would only have fueled an alternative “debate” about how easy it would have been to alter the text.

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    Expelliarmus April 29, 2011 at 5:18 am #

    Molly, if it makes you happy, here’s a link to a copy of Obama’s long form birth certificate printed on white paper.

    Article with jpeg: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/obama_to_address_birth_certificate_ZMCI1YNYI52YtgDCwlvuRP

    Really huge PDF from same newspaper:
    http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/04/27/news/media/042711_finalobama.pdf

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    Northland10 April 29, 2011 at 6:25 am #

    Despite years of practice, the birthers have never taken losing very well (most people don’t but the birthers have taken “sore loser” to it’s illogical extreme). The President’s “April Suprise,” besides catching them, and me, off guard, has thrown them a huge vat of failure stew by puncturing their biggest talking point. As we all expected, they are taking this loss far worse than their normal reaction. Obama has shown that the birther’s “emperor” has no clothes.

    I believe the sudden increase in loony theories and such will eventually die down after the initial shock wears off. The main corps will remain but the volume will reduce back to previous levels.

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    Bovril April 29, 2011 at 6:53 am #

    Molly,

    It’s an official, certified, legal birth document as such it is REQUIRED to be on security paper.

    Birfoons don’t like it, they can all go and continue their circle masturbation in the dank little basements they call home.

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    Black Lion April 29, 2011 at 7:56 am #

    BORN IN THE USA?
    Obama’s half-sister raises birth-certificate doubts
    Claims despite ‘adoption’ by Indonesian stepfather, it is U.S. ‘law’ that matters

    Posted: April 28, 2011
    10:19 pm Eastern

    By Bob Unruh
    © 2011 WorldNetDaily
    A statement from Barack Obama’s half-sister has at least cast a shadow of doubt on the legitimacy of the “Certificate of Live Birth” document that was released by the White House this week in an attempt to stifle questions about his eligibility, by referencing his apparent adoption by her father, Indonesian Lolo Soetoro.

    Facebook page comments from Maya Soetoro-Ng

    On a Facebook page, Maya Soetoro-Ng wrote to a woman who had met her in Hawaii after Madelyn Dunham, the mother of Stanley Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro and grandmother to both Maya and Barack, passed away in 2008.
    Soetoro-Ng was objecting to having a conversation with a critic of her half-brother, and said she had been misquoted as saying her whole family was Muslim.
    She wrote, “I did not say my brother was a Muslim. I did say that I was more philosophically Buddhist. I told you that you were upsetting me. You said that you were not trying to upset me but wanted to know the truth about (Raila) Odinga (a Muslim for whom Barack Obama campaigned in the 2007 presidential race in Kenya). I told you I didn’t know who that was and had never met him. You mentioned the adoption laws of Indonesia that you saw as related to my brother’s legitimacy (you were suggesting that because my father, his stepfather, had adopted him, that my brother was no longer American) and I said that I had no idea about Indonesian adoption law.”

    #HYPERLINK “http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104814

  15. avatar
    Lupin April 29, 2011 at 7:57 am #

    “I am considering a policy of ignoring crank theories from now on…”

    Please don’t shut down the site! :-)

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    Majority Will April 29, 2011 at 8:13 am #

    Should someone who appointed himself the title of Bishop be legitimately addressed as Bishop?

    Isn’t that insulting to Bishops everywhere?

    And what does that say about this street preacher’s credibility?

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    Sef April 29, 2011 at 8:23 am #

    “Everybody’s gotta get into the act.”

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    Bovril April 29, 2011 at 8:29 am #

    Classic WND

    Infalamatory headline (the only thing the Birfoons will read), followed by well, something that has no relation to the headline………….

    Headline

    Obama’s half-sister raises birth-certificate doubts

    Claims despite adoption’ by Indonesian stepfather, it is U.S. law’ that matters

    Content

    Maya responds to a Facebook comment saying that she had never said her brother was a Moslem, had no fecking idea what other blather was posted. She also aid she had no idea about Indonesian adoption law.

    A does not equal B

    WND = LSOS

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    misha April 29, 2011 at 8:38 am #

    Molly: Make no mistake. This is a disaster that is just beginning.

    I’ll say it again: Hawii should have held a presser, and had the original documents for reporters to inspect and photograph. It should not have been released by the WH, not even the correspondence.

    I feel it is gasoline poured on a fire. I hope I’m wrong.

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    Sef April 29, 2011 at 8:41 am #

    misha: I feel it is gasoline poured on a fire. I hope I’m wrong.

    President Obama is assisting the self-immolators.

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    Sef April 29, 2011 at 8:48 am #

    Not to be outdone by the other birthers, Kerchner also has to jump on the “Crazy Train” with this comment on El Putzo’s site”

    “What if the Obama powers sent the lawyer to Hawaii to provide the necessary cover story that they did get two copies of the Obama vital record there … but the image on the net now is NOT of the paper copies that they picked up … say becaue there is something on it that Obama still does not wish to reveal. …”

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    Critical Thinker April 29, 2011 at 8:55 am #

    ZixiOfIx: Now they have to either make the birthers piping mad or wallow even deeper into the crazy and sink any chance of being taken seriously on a national scale by a wider audience.

    I think we will see the most loathesome birthers strengthen their commitment to the cause, but that mainstream Republicans will stop the ‘neo-birtherism’ displayed in the despicable comments like “I take the president at his word.”

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    richCares April 29, 2011 at 9:21 am #

    Sterngard Friegen at fogbow wrote:
    How do these sick racists explain that Hawai’i’s DOH website now has a link to the long form? When you’re the government it isn’t called “forgery.” It has a different description attached to it. “OFFICIAL”

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    misha April 29, 2011 at 9:43 am #

    Berman still has “questions” about Obama birth certificate

    “What I’m saying is I just have some questions,” Berman said. “I’m not doubting that it’s a truthful birth certificate but my questions still hold.”

    http://blogs.star-telegram.com/politex/2011/04/berman-has-questions-about-obama-birth-certificate-.html

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    Judge Mental April 29, 2011 at 9:51 am #

    misha: I’ll say it again: Hawii should have held a presser, and had the original documents for reporters to inspect and photograph. It should not have been released by the WH, not even the correspondence.I feel it is gasoline poured on a fire. I hope I’m wrong.

    I’m not absolutely certain Misha, but I seem to remember coming across information on here at an earlier date which stated that Hawaii cannot publish vital record information concerning living persons, even if they had the permission of the living person concerned to do so.

    All they can do is release the vital record information to the living person or someone authorised by him to receive it (as Obama’s lawyer was). It’s up to the living person to publish it.

    It doesn’t seem very likely to me that even a Hawaii DOH which is bending over backwards to make a special case for Obama, would have been prepared to assume responsibility for publishing it.

    If we want to consider options re what would have been better, my own ideal hypothetical would have been for the document in question to have been otained by somone un sympathetic to Obama under a court order and made public in that way, with zero involvement of the White House. That would have burst far more birther bubbles and would have enabled the president to say “look, this had absolutely nothing to do with me or my people, we’re seeing if for the first time just like you”.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 29, 2011 at 9:57 am #

    Molly: Who ever decided to move the image to a green background was either very very stupid, or very very Machiavellian.

    All Hawaiian certified birth certificates appear on that type of security paper.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 29, 2011 at 10:00 am #

    Molly: This matter was handled badly. They should never have attempted to manipulate the appearance of the certificate.

    There is no evidence of manipulation. What we see is exactly what we would expect to see if an authentic document was scanned with modern scannning/PDF generation software.

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    gorefan April 29, 2011 at 10:22 am #

    misha: I’ll say it again: Hawii should have held a presser,

    The should have had a special, like “The Mystery of Al Capone’s Vaults”, wait, they didn’t find anything in his vaults.

    Maybe that wouldn’t be such a good idea.

    Maybe just a video crew could have gone along.

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    Thrifty April 29, 2011 at 10:49 am #

    Slartibartfast: Slartibartfast April 29, 2011 at 1:36 am Slartibartfast(Quote) #
    James M:
    The game has changed (over).To move the birther cause forward, it would now be necessary to secure a criminal conviction against Dr. Onaka for the crime of forgery.It really hasn’t sunk in for some of the birthers yet, that the facts of President Obama’s birth are known as officially as official gets.We know this has been the case for years, but now the birthers know it, at least to the extent that it has begun to slowly dawn on them that their game is over.
    I don’t think that they understand just how significantly things have changed yet.

    Any Kids in the Hall fans here? There’s this one sketch where Bruce is playing one of his recurring characters, Sid. Sid is a shrimpy guy with a short temper who thinks he’s much tougher than he actually is. In the sketch, he’s in a bar where he finds a huge guy with two huge friends, and provokes them all into a fight. The sketch proceeds to the back alley, where the big guy repeatedly pounds Sid effortlessly. Spectators keep yelling “STAY DOWN!” at the obviously outmatched Sid, but Sid is forever convinced that he’s got the big guy on the ropes and the fight will turn in his favor any minute now.

    Birthers are like that. Firmly convinced they have a case against President Obama no matter how much crushing evidence against them is tossed. They just won’t stay down.

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    Thrifty April 29, 2011 at 10:49 am #

    This is actually the sketch I was talking about, if you haven’t seen it before.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA3WxjplKzo

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    Ellen April 29, 2011 at 11:03 am #

    Re; The Indonesian Adoption myth. All WND would need to do to either confirm or deny that Obama was adopted in Indonesia would be to CALL THE INDONESIAN EMBASSY. But it won’t. Wonder why not?

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    misha April 29, 2011 at 11:09 am #

    Ellen: Re; The Indonesian Adoption myth. All WND would need to do to either confirm or deny that Obama was adopted in Indonesia would be to CALL THE INDONESIAN EMBASSY. But it won’t. Wonder why not?

    There was one person here who prattled on about Kenya. I posted the Kenya Embassy’s ‘phone and address, and added “let us know what you found out.”

    He stopped posting.

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    Majority Will April 29, 2011 at 11:15 am #

    Thrifty: Any Kids in the Hall fans here?There’s this one sketch where Bruce is playing one of his recurring characters, Sid.Sid is a shrimpy guy with a short temper who thinks he’s much tougher than he actually is.In the sketch, he’s in a bar where he finds a huge guy with two huge friends, and provokes them all into a fight.The sketch proceeds to the back alley, where the big guy repeatedly pounds Sid effortlessly.Spectators keep yelling “STAY DOWN!” at the obviously outmatched Sid, but Sid is forever convinced that he’s got the big guy on the ropes and the fight will turn in his favor any minute now.

    Birthers are like that. Firmly convinced they have a case against President Obama no matter how much crushing evidence against them is tossed. They just won’t stay down.

    Apt comparison.

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    Suranis April 29, 2011 at 11:21 am #

    Molly: Who ever decided to move the image to a green background was either very very stupid, or very very Machiavellian.

    No they were very smart. The reason they use that kind of security paper is that its very hard to cut and past something printed on it. If they had chopped and posted something new on it the lines would mismatch, and they knew this would be exposed to scrutiny by idiots and smart people alike.

    The fact that they didn’t spot the optimization precess used by Scanners and adobe acrobat isnt their fault. I had no idea that Adobe did that and I’d say 99.9% of people dont either.

    In any sense its easily reproducible. Just get someone to scan and then PDF a document and see the layers. Its something you can do at home. Its really easy to debunk and thats why there wont be too much legs on this.

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    G April 29, 2011 at 11:59 am #

    ZixiOfIx: I’m so looking forward to seeing what the politicians who kowtowed to the birthers are going to do next.They can’t just go back to playing up to the birthers by suggesting that they’d release their certificates if they run, or claiming that the President could end all the controversy if he’d just release the thing. He released it. It didn’t end and the birthers don’t believe it. Now they have to either make the birthers piping mad or wallow even deeper into the crazy and sink any chance of being taken seriously on a national scale by a wider audience.

    Those cynical manipulating politicians who pandered to this crazy deserve to be forever tarred and feathered with the stink and stain of their Birtherism.

    It deserves to remain a permanent Albatross around their necks and should be constantly brought up by their opponents to point out why such people are not worthy of the public’s trust.

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    Thrifty April 29, 2011 at 12:13 pm #

    Ellen: Re; The Indonesian Adoption myth. All WND would need to do to either confirm or deny that Obama was adopted in Indonesia would be to CALL THE INDONESIAN EMBASSY. But it won’t. Wonder why not?

    That seems like an awful lot of work. Couldn’t they just not call the Indonesian embassy and say they did?

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    Thrifty April 29, 2011 at 12:14 pm #

    Which politicians have pandered to the birthers? I know that’s kind of a broad question, but I guess I don’t really want to just take your word for it just because it sounds good.

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    Majority Will April 29, 2011 at 12:22 pm #

    Thrifty:
    Which politicians have pandered to the birthers?I know that’s kind of a broad question, but I guess I don’t really want to just take your word for it just because it sounds good.

    Former U.S. Representative and ethically challenged Governor Nathan Deal of Georgia for one.

    He was originally elected to the U.S. House of Representatives as a Democrat in 1992 but later switched to the Republican Party in 1995. He submitted his resignation to the United States Congress on March 21, 2010 while under investigation for ethics violations by a Federal Grand Jury, who issued a subpoena in within a short span of months thereafter. The Congressional Ethics investigation resolved that violations were made but Nathan Deal had resigned from the U.S. House before formal accusations were written. Investigation continues. (source: wiki)

    http://washingtonindependent.com/73350/rep-nathan-deal-r-ga-joins-the-birthers

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/13/nathan-deal-birther-lette_n_422171.html

    Barack Obama’s camp released a digitally scanned copy of the presidential candidate’s birth certificate in the summer of 2008, a document that shows he was born on Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii. Hawaiian government officials, as well as independent news organizations, have both concluded that the document is authentic.

    In November, however, Rep. Deal decided that it wasn’t good enough. “I have looked at the documentation that is publicly available and it leaves many things to be desired,” the lawmaker told the AJC.

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    G April 29, 2011 at 1:18 pm #

    Thrifty: Which politicians have pandered to the birthers? I know that’s kind of a broad question, but I guess I don’t really want to just take your word for it just because it sounds good.

    Here is just a small list I had started to compile early on. At some point in 2010, there were just too many additional media instances of prominent federal or state politicians saying various statements that were really just “wink & nod” encouragement of various birther memes, that I stopped even bothering to add to the list at that point.

    First Name Last Name Party-State Govt Level Govt Body Comments

    Curtis Coleman (R-AK) C: Fed Senate 3/25: Made clear birther statements in announcing his campaign against Blanche Lincoln (D) for Arkansas Senate seat
    Richard Shelby (R-AL) Fed Senate Made several public “birther sympathizer” statements
    Cecil Ash (R-AZ) State HR Proponent of AZ “Birther Bill”
    Judy Burges (R-AZ) State HR 1/18/10: trying to introduce “birther bill” for NBC definition into AZ state legislature
    Sam Crump (R-AZ) State HR
    Trent Franks (R-AZ) Fed HR Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ) said he came super close to filing a lawsuit questioning Obama’s citizenship: “I was one of the few Members of Congress that was willing, if I could come up with a way to prove that Barack Obama was not born in this country, I was willing to go into a lawsuit.” But he later clarified that this was before the 2008 election, and since then he had become convinced that Obama is a natural-born citizen, “even if he acts un-American and he seems to go against American interests.”
    JD Hayworth (R-AZ) C: Fed Senate Flirted with birthers on his radio show before becoming Senate candidate. Then tried to backtrack on that a bit. Running for AZ Senate v John McCain. Teabagger & flirting with Birthers
    Tom Tancredo (R-AZ) F: Fed HR Former Congressman tells Fox News 4/27/10 that he doesn’t know where Obama was born & comes out FULL BIRTHER, after answering questions of why he’s been brining up Kenya as Obama’s birthplace at recent Tea Party rallies
    Mary Bono Mack (R-CA) Fed HR Wife of Sunny Bono. Born in Cleveland. She actively “friended” Orly Taitz on FB. Was given at least 3 public opportunities to deny “Birthers” and refused.
    John Campbell (R-CA) Fed HR Co-signed Posey Birther Bill
    Chuck DeVore (R-CA) C: Fed Senate California Assemblyman Chuck DeVore- flirting with Birthers
    Buck Ken (R-CO) C: Fed Senate 7/12/10. Has extremist & nutty positions, incl support for birtherism. See: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/07/12/4663768-blog-buzz-analyzing-outrage-
    Bill Posey (R-FL) Fed HR Came up with Birther Bill in Congress
    Marco Rubio (R-FL) C: Fed Senate Running for FL Senate v Charlie Crist. Teabagger & flirting with Birthers
    Nathan Deal (R-GA) Fed; C: State HR / GOV Birther letter Dec ’09. Currently in runoff for GOP Governor candidate primary
    Hatfield Mark (R-GA) State HR 4/24/10: Trying to introduce “birther bill” into GA congress that he admits is specificially designed to target Obama
    Oxendine John (R-GA) C: State GOV 6/5/10: Caught on tape making birther jokes at a campaign town hall: http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/06/05/john-oxendine-birther/
    Brown Harley (R-ID) C: Fed HR Birther & hateful extremist nutjob – see: http://badfiction.typepad.com/badfiction/2010/04/dispatches-from-birtherstan-for-1719-april-2010.html#more
    Jerry Schweighart (R-IL) Muni Mayor Mayor of Champaign, IL. Came out full birther in statements 4/15/10
    Scott Marvin (R-IN) C: Fed HR 7/16/10: District 7 [R] Candidate on TV approves birther court cases & says candidates must prove their eligibility over & over & over. Note: Scott is Black
    Dan Burton (R-IN) Fed HR Co-signed Posey Birther Bill
    Mann Salinan Tracey (R-KS) C: Fed HR 7/22/10: Newspaper pulls endorsement b/c District 1 candidate is Birther: http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/07/22/newspaper_pulls_endorsement_of_candidate.html
    Rand Paul (R-KY) C: Fed Senate Son of Ron Paul. Palin campaiging for. TeaParty support. Flirting with Birthers
    Charles Boustany (R-LA) Fed HR Caught pandering to birthers by FireDogLake
    Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI) Fed HR Total Douchebag. Caught trying to “dodge” birther issue by FireDogLake
    Vitter David (R-LA) Fed Senate 7/13/10: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_republican_senator_birthers “Republican Sen. David Vitter of Louisiana says he supports conservative organizations challenging President Barack Obama’s citizenship in court.”
    Ehlich Bob (R-MD) C: State GOV Birther statements per this youtube at 50 min mark: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=I0JVVZszsd0&feature=related
    Walt Bivins (R-MO) State HR
    Roy Blunt (R-MO) Fed HR Open “Birther”. Made several public “birther” statements
    Dan Brown (R-MO) State HR
    Jason Brown (R-MO) State HR
    Robert Cooper (R-MO) State HR
    Cynthia Davis (R-MO) State HR Client of Orly Taitz
    Jo Ann Emerson (R-MO) State HR Supporting Birthers & Teabaggers at rally 1/10/10
    Edgar G.H. Emery (R-MO) State HR Public adamant Birther statements
    Doug Ervin (R-MO) State HR
    Barney Fisher (R-MO) State HR
    Doug Funderburk (R-MO) State HR
    Casey Guernsey (R-MO) State HR Client of Orly Taitz
    Timothy W. Jones (R-MO) State HR Client of Orly Taitz
    Mike Lair (R-MO) State HR
    Hector Maldonado (R-MO) C: Fed Senate Major birther, made huge birther & extremist rant 7/8/10 and another on 7/18/10 in interview to Pest & eFail: http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/07/18/u-s-senate-hopeful-hector-maldonado-if-obama-ineligible-he-has-committed-high-crimes-and-possibly-treason/
    Mike Mcghee (R-MO) State HR
    Bob Nance (R-MO) State HR
    Brian Nieves (R-MO) State HR
    Dwight Scharnhorst (R-MO) State HR
    Shane Schoeller (R-MO) State HR
    Rick Stream (R-MO) State HR
    Don Wells (R-MO) State HR
    Greg Harper (R-MS) Fed HR Caught pandering to birthers by FireDogLake
    Patrick McHenry (R-NC) Fed HR Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-NC) was pretty coy about birtherism last August: “I haven’t seen enough evidence one way or the other,” he said, adding that the issue is being addressed “in the courts.” When called out for his statement, McHenry backtracked: “I have not carefully reviewed the evidence as a jurist would. However, from what I have read, I have absolutely no reason to question President Obama’s citizenship. I anticipate that as a legal matter the courts will continue to come to the same conclusion.”
    Jeff Fortenberry (R-NE) Fed HR Caught pandering to birthers by FireDogLake
    Timothy Comerford (R-NH) State HR Client of Orly Taitz
    Laurence Rappaport (R-NH) State HR Rabid birther – tried to bring up issue in local courts. Also: Client of Orly Taitz
    Angle Sharron (R-NV) C: Fed Senate Crazy libertarian teabagger nutbag w/ many extremist positions & some evidence that she at least briefly flirted w/ birtherism & Alan Keyes, prior to her new “handlers” trying to “scrub” her actual positions, now that she is the NV GOP Senate candidate against Harry Reid. (See: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/07/birther-politicians-and-candidates/)
    Gino Dismone (I-NV) State C: Gov Birther candidate (Indep) for Gov
    Palandino Carl (T-NY) State C: Gov Tea-Party / GOP Candidate for NY Governor. Birther & racist -many proven statements & emails. Major asshole.
    Robert Portman (R-OH) Former US Trade Rep. Rob Portman of Ohio- flirting with Birthers
    Jean Schmidt (R-OH) Fed HR Caught at Tea Party event whispering to “Birther” that she agrees with them -9/2009. Caught pandering to birthers by FireDogLake 7/2009
    Miki Booth (R-OK) C: Fed HR Candidate for 2010 OK US HR. Birther statements showing her & son’s HI birth certificates 2/2010
    Tom Colburn (R-OK) Fed Senate Made several public “birther sympathizer” statements
    Jim Inhofe (R-OK) Fed Senate Made several public “birther sympathizer” statements
    Ritze Mike (R-OK) State HR Proposed OK “Birther Bill” in Dec 2008
    John Sullivan (R-OK) Fed HR Openly Birther at Tulsa GOP club. 8/8/09
    Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) Fed HR Co-signed Posey Birther Bill
    Stacey Campfield (R-TN) State HR Client of Orly Taitz
    Glen Casada (R-TN) State HR Client of Orly Taitz
    Frank Niceley (R-TN) State HR Client of Orly Taitz
    Eric Swafford (R-TN) State HR Raging birther. Lawsuit against Obama (Orly Taitz)
    Leo Berman (R-TX) State HR Plans to introduce several birther & anti-immigrant bills in Jan 11, when congress returns to session. Made statements that his plan is to prevent Obama from being eligible. Told a crowd on 4/24/10 that “Obama is God’s punishment on us today, but we are going to make him a one-term president”
    John Carter (R-TX) Fed HR Co-signed Posey Birther Bill
    John Culberson (R-TX) Fed HR Co-signed Posey Birther Bill
    Louie Gohmert (R-TX) Fed HR Co-signed Posey Birther Bill
    Kenny Marchant (R-TX) Fed HR Co-signed Posey Birther Bill
    Randy Neugebauer (R-TX) Fed HR Co-signed Posey Birther Bill
    Ted Poe (R-TX) Fed HR Co-signed Posey Birther Bill
    Judy Cody Robert (R-UT) Fed Senate 7/27/10: Filed support brief for Birther Terry Lakin in his Court Martial case. Note: was also a plaintiff in one of Orly’s cases and also testified as part of the Manning Birther Trial. Convicted felon & total nut.
    Ken Cuccinelli (R-VA) State AG 3/15: Caught on tape with very strong birther statements. Now trying to take it back
    Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) Fed HR Co-signed Posey Birther Bill
    Ernest Huber (R-WA) C: Fed HR #8 Total birther, Sovereign Citizen, Teabagging, religtious nut, Civil War desiring lunatic!
    Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA) Fed HR Caught pandering to birthers by FireDogLake
    Dave Reichert (R-WA) Fed HR Came out as a Birther on Lou Dobbs

  40. avatar
    Thrifty April 29, 2011 at 2:47 pm #

    Thanks G. I’ll have to do some Googling to get more details when I get some time. Reason I asked was because on another forum, there’s this Republican who likes to do a lot of that “the left has nuts too!” nonsense, in place of forming cogent arguments. He’s actually a good guy, and thinks Birthers are nuts, but I wanted some ammo to use against him.

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    G April 29, 2011 at 3:15 pm #

    Thrifty: Thanks G. I’ll have to do some Googling to get more details when I get some time. Reason I asked was because on another forum, there’s this Republican who likes to do a lot of that “the left has nuts too!” nonsense, in place of forming cogent arguments. He’s actually a good guy, and thinks Birthers are nuts, but I wanted some ammo to use against him.

    Yeah, that tired meme is such an OBVIOUS false equivalency, but one that is brought up so often.

    I like your process of doing proper research first, so you can provide a solid and substantiated response.

    On this particular old false equivalency chestnut, don’t waste too much time searching for countless examples before responding – there is enough evidence out there of such that you should be able to put together a simple and cogent rebuttal in a short order of time.

    No need for overkill. Less is more, as the examples down this road are many and nearly endless. Pick a few solid ones that are most correlative to whatever specific example that GOP poster is trying to hide behind and then throw the ball back in his court.

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    misha April 29, 2011 at 3:56 pm #

    “the left has nuts too!”

    Yeah, like Gorbachev who ended the Cold War.

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    Stanislaw April 29, 2011 at 6:27 pm #

    I am considering a policy of ignoring crank theories from now on, and not wasting the time necessary to debunk them. Obama was born in Hawaii; get over it already.

    Doc, if you did that then there’d never be a birther comment on this site again.

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    brygenon May 1, 2011 at 12:36 am #

    Expelliarmus: Molly, if it makes you happy, here’s a link to a copy of Obama’s long form birth certificate printed on white paper.

    Article with jpeg: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/obama_to_address_birth_certificate_ZMCI1YNYI52YtgDCwlvuRP

    Really huge PDF from same newspaper:
    http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/04/27/news/media/042711_finalobama.pdf

    In the interest of scrupulous accuracy, I have to disagree. That is a copy made from the version on security paper. The contrast is set so that over most of the image the green thatched pattern does not appear. On the rolled-back section on the left, where the image is darker, you can still make out the security paper pattern.

    Of course we know the document that the White House posted is authentic, because the Hawaii Department of Health says so. “On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.”
    http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

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