Something I never thought would appear has appeared in the Florida case of Voeltz v. Obama: a signed and sworn affidavit from Sheriff Joe Arpaio about the Cold Case Posse investigation of President Obama’s documentation.
So what is the Sheriff willing to say under penalty of perjury?
Upon close examination of the evidence, it is my belief that forgery and fraud was likely committed in key identity documents including President Obama’s long-form birth certificate, his Selective Service Registration card and his Social Security number.
I shouldn’t have been surprised: he said nothing. There’s more, but no statement of fact whatever supporting the conspiracy theories about Barack Obama. It’s just what he believes “may have” happened. When he does state a fact, it’s wrong; e.g. “various statements made by Hawaii government officials regarding the Obama birth controversy over the last 5 years.” That should be, “the last 4 years.” He couldn’t even spell the President’s name right! The Affidavit is useless, providing no evidence at all.
Here is the full text:
that was not my report it was A Legal Lohengrin from fogbow, I loved it
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here’s another laugh, Sheriff Joes affadvit:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/96893893/FL-VOELTZ-Arpaio-Affidavit
As I anticipated, the affidavit makes no specific allegations and is full of weasel words – “it is my belief,” “My investigators and I believe,” “may have been imported,”
Arpaio lied on his affidavit. He is a COUNTY employee (he stated he has been a federal and state employee for 51 years – he omitted that he’s a county employee). Arpaio has NEVER been an Arizona state employee and he stated he has the authority to investigate this matter. The affidavit is a LIE!
I’ve brought it to the attention of KPHO’s Facebook page (not sure if they will even look at it, but i’ve tried).
Fudgy and weasel-y, like Corsi and Zullo’s …. but also not filed. Will they be? Or just more PR to rile up the faithful?
If they are silly enough to file these screeds … soooooo … what? Someone out of state filed an affidavit to the effect that they are indeed a nutty conspiracist. What does that have to do with the case in Florida? “Someone ‘suspects’ something! Take someone off a ballot somewhere!”
Silliness. But the rubes will eat it up, filed or not. It’s never about accomplishing anything, only about keeping those birfer dreams alive by maintaining The Appearance of Doing Something.
Misspells the president’s name. Stay classy, Joe.
“consists of former police officers and attorneys.” So which is Zullo?
All 3 three affidavits are copy/paste, right off the shelves of WND. Do you think Corsi does the script-writing himself, or do they farm it out to those unpaid, part-time telecommuters they occasionally advertise for?
Well duh, it comes from their Kenyan research department.
Because of people like Ocrazy Taint and Officer Fife, I am convinced that attorney credentials and Sheriff badges CAN be found cereal boxes.
Well, it’s useless in the Florida case. Says plenty about Arpaio, tho! It’s all a WND production, Arpaio, Zullo, and Corsi ‘affidavits’ were formatted identically, writing style similar ….
I have sent my affidavit to the court, it clearly states that I believe that Arpaio & Zullo are idiot, plus the earth is flat.
The show must go on!
I’ll say it again. We know the provenance of the certification. If it was forged, we know the names of the forgers, or at least of witnesses to the forgery. Bring a criminal charge of forgery against one of them, and this conversation about President Obama’s eligibility can begin.
Why haven’t the birthers even started?
Doc,
You not being honest again, mostly lacking in knowledge. As you know, Arpaio’s team has just returned from Hawaii and is analyzing and compiling a wealth of information they had obtained. Since you are not privy to the details the Arpaio investigation, Your statement of “When he does state a fact, it’s wrong;” is attacking.
This statement you made may in fact be wrong. Remember, Obama’s COLB was stamped in JUNE 2007 but released in JUNE 2008. Arpaio’s team may uncovered information in 2007 that required Obama having his birth certificate in 2007 but not releasing it until 2008. Communications from Hawaii officials may have been uncovered in 2007 regarding Obama’s alleged birth there. So, his statement that the contraversy has been going the last 5 years may in fact be accurate.
We will find out more information at the 2nd press conference.
i say we start the criminal charges with REPUBLICAN fmr governor lingle
after all, SHE, while campaigning for mccain, verified that obama was born in hawaii
SHE put ALL of the info on the states’ website to reduce the number of phone calls & emails
SHE, therefore, is COMPLICIT in the “fraud”
I think the Arpaio team should request all emails, internal memos and other document from the governor’s office, AG Office, and DOH for the past 4 to 5 years that contain reference to Obama’s birth certificate or vital records. All of these records are public record under Hawaii law and can be asked by anybody. Sheriff Joe should want to know whose talking to who and what they are taking about regarding Obama’s vital records.
“As you know, Arpaio’s team has just returned from Hawaii and is analyzing and compiling a wealth of information they had obtained.”
They got free leis, suntans with no tan lines and tall, fruity cocktails all on the taxpayers’ dime.
Of course they have stories to tell.
john says ‘… compiling a wealth of information ”
how many bridges have you bought john?
every OMG moment you have touted has failed, don’t you see a pattern?
“We will find out more information at the 2nd press conference.”
You’ll find out the most important issues of the day such as how much the next e-book costs and other fundraising necessities such as the easy steps for the direct deposit of your Social Security check to either the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office or c/o Jerome Corsi at World Net Daily.
And Mara Zebest will recount the day she discovered Channels, Levels and Curves and wept openly overcome with emotion while nearly destroying her keyboard.
So funny …. and so accurate! 😉
No how exactly would they have “uncovered” or “compiled” anything when both Arpaio and the State of Hawaii have made it very clear the only thing his “investigators” were given access to was the inside of a conference room and information as to why they aren’t going to be permitted to see anything?
john: As you know, Arpaio’s team has just returned from Hawaii and is analyzing and compiling a wealth of information they had obtained. Since you are not privy to the details the Arpaio investigation…Arpaio’s team may uncovered information…. Communications from Hawaii officials may have been uncovered
arpaio’s “team” spent $40k of TAXPAYER MONEY
look back at what was “uncovered” in april, 2011
What Donald Trump’s Birther Investigators Will Find in Hawaii
The path to Obama’s birth certificate, as told by someone who’s looked
the cost: the whole trip would only cost $1228.40 (mai-tai not included).
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/04/what-donald-trumps-birther-investigators-will-find-in-hawaii/237198/
Any day now.
Yeh, no. Just, no. Give it the hell up buddy. And in case you hadn’t heard, Sheriff Joe is in a world of trouble with the DoJ. I think he’s got bigger things to worry about than entertaining your warped paranoid fantasies of frogmarching the brown president out of the WH.
So? Does it come with an expiry date?
Again, don’t you mean third? Or did the church service not count? 😉
And what is the deal with the 2007/2008 thing? It’s suspicious to possess your own BC?!? Mine was issued in 1977. That must really blow your mind.
By the way, did anyone notice the line “at virtually no cost to the tax payer”? Now, where have I heard that before? Oh, yeah, “There is virtually no risk in these credit default swaps.” Or, “If you follow my chocolate cake diet you are virtually guaranteed to lose 20 pounds in a week.” I’m betting that the taxpayers have footed the bill for all the expenses and Joe is hoping to get some of it back from suckers (ooops, I mean patriots). ‘Cept, he hasn’t driven the usurper from power, so I suspect many of the suckers (ooops, I mean patriots) have misplaced their checkbooks.
He is a con man and I’m sure glad I don’t live in Arizona, and don’t have to pick up the tab.
Back to that old saw? I breezed right by it in the affidavit. Same old, same old, I’m getting numb. What happened to the $40K admission?
I know others closer to the story have said otherwise, but I still suspect Arpaio will get caught hand-in-till. Or at least later exposed. It’s just par for the course for those making their own law (and reality).
Sheriff ‘Barney Fife” Arpaio was not looking into President Obama’s BC in 2007. Your ‘facts’ are wrong.
What did they “obtain”, John? From whom? And, just how do you know?
So….the goal posts have moved again……back to 2007, is that it?
That, of course, begs the question: If they “uncovered information” in 2007 why didn’t they release it then? Why haven’t they been able to wrap up this “investigation”?
Doesn’t that bother you, John? Just a little?
Good question, John? Not sure you’re right about their open records law but, for the sake of discussion, let’s say you are:
Why do you think Arpaio and/or the Cold Case Posse haven’t requested those public records?
on reading the Affidavits (Affydavits) , the cold case posse is not yet aware of the Hawaii Certification in the Mississippi case. What a surprise that will be.
as for errors, realist found this one
This (denying valid FOIA requests) is false and, indeed, cannot be true. It cannot be true because FOIA is a federal law applicable to federal governments. FOIA does not apply to state governments. Therefore, there could never be any “valid” FOIA request for the HI
DOH to deny.
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In addition, HI law prevents the release of said information under whatever their public information act is
I suppose that falls under “virtually no cost”. Everything is relative of course. $1 million is pocket change to Bill Gates, a significant, but manageable amount to Mitt Romney and a fortune to most people. I’m sure this isn’t the first time Joe has pissed away the tax payers’ cash pursuing his personal political vendettas,
Arizona is a “closed records” state, but there probably is an out for law enforcement:
A WND Production:
Watch the Florida Eligibility hearing live at WND (supposedly)
http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/watch-florida-eligibility-hearing-live/
“Sign up now to get access to WND-TV’s special free, live-stream page prior to the hearing.”
LOL! As I suspected, the Florida hearing is another WND sideshow. WND attorney, WND-scripted affidavits, WND material as filings, no doubt. We’ve seen this promotion before. 😉
Sign up for spam to get a ‘free’ show!
What is the relevance of AZ law here? If a sworn affadavit makes a claim that a FOIA request was made which was not made, you’ve got grounds for charges perjury.
klayman’s memorandum
minor is precedent
wong only defined “citizen”
no mention of the verifications nor recent court precedents
http://www.scribd.com/doc/96993666/FL-Voeltz-2012-06-11-Voeltz-Memorandum-Re-NBC
according to the fl SOS, until obama is nominated at the convention, “plaintiff does not have a valid election contest” (page 2)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/96993669/FL-Voeltz-2012-06-08-SOS-Addl-Brief-in-Support-of-MTD-or-MSJ
I wasn’t saying that it would necessarily apply to Hawaii. However, I’m thinking that they have some experience dealing with trying to obtain birth records from within Arizona.
Some of these things I don’t quite get. California is an “open records” state. Anyone can get a copy of any birth record, although these “non-authorized” certified copies contain a legend all over the front that say that they aren’t valid for identification purposes. That essentially means that they are proof of all the facts, but they can’t be used to obtain a passport, get a SSN card, or apply for a driver license. However, law enforcement can get a full copy and are exempt from the notary requirements typically needed for such a copy if sent in by mail. I’m not sure why law enforcement would even need such a copy, since they won’t be using them to obtain identity documents. I’m curious if an “informational copy” would be legal in a court of law to establish the facts of ones birth. I can imagine someone who might want to enter one into evidence who might just want such a document used to prevent it from being used for identity fraud. I’ve heard of birth certificates being collected for organizations like Little League, but where they weren’t stored securely.
Joe says on his twitter account
“I have been subpoenaed by a Florida attorney in reference to my Obama birth certificate investigation. May have to go there to testify.”
http://twitter.com/RealSheriffJoe/status/213004552721539072
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I liked this comment
“have you asked a HI official to confirm that the PDF LFBC on WH webpg matches the one on file, which was scanned?”
think he will respond?
Klayman is a “Florida” attorney now?
Wait, Arpaio uses Twitter?!?
A twit from his future dealings with the DoJ:
“Help! Help! Im being repressed! #humanrights”
I suspect that the Sheriff has had a minor stroke and is making bad decisions. Many people have had this problem for years without it causing so much of a problem that it is noticeable to outsiders. While it doesn’t excuse his behavior, it does make it a bit more understandable.
I know of at least one very public person in Arizona who have had exactly this happen. They were making choices they would have never made in their hey-day, getting sub-par results from above-par resources which would never have happened in their hey-day, allowing others to make decisions for them that they would have never allowed to happen in their hey-day, and tolerating sycophants like they would never have allowed in their hey-day.
Outside commenters were making remarks exactly like those we are making about Arpaio here; the early career successes were flukes; they were at heart vindictive and had hidden it well; they just can’t relate to people, the spouse has been doing all the interpersonal heavy carrying; they are embarrassing his employer by supporting outside interests.
It finally took a doctor to explain what had happened, and they still couldn’t believe that they couldn’t function exactly like always. After a brief time for recovery then right back in at the deep end, they finally saw for themselves what everyone else had seen, but had not known what the cause was.
The last time I visited Hawaii, it cost approx $2000 for everything.
This included a condo on the beach, rental car, the 12.5% hotel tax, meals and even my wedding there.
I was there 10 days.
So if it cost $40000 to visit Hawaii for 5 days, I’m sure wondering how they managed to spend $8K a day.
Fwiw, I also visited 3 islands in Tahiti (Tahiti, Bora Bora and Moorea.)
Total cost (again 10 days) was less than $8000.
This included all meals, inter-island flights and an overwater bungalow.
Joe has some answering to do.
Perhaps Joe would like to provide an itemized detailing of just where the money went. Somehow I doubt it though.
Lie# 24,387, someone please add to our secret books.
John’s back!!!
John does for this blog what Rudy does for Youtube. He brings the crazy comedy relief!
I believe this is wrong. It originated in story on the KPHO (CBS Phoenix affiliate) website. The amount was mentioned some time ago as the amount that the Cold Case Posse up to the Hawaii trip.
That, obviously, raises another question: What would an all volunteer posse spend that much money on?
Oops. Make that “…as the amount that the Cold Case Posse had spent up to the Hawaii trip.”
That’s been my understanding. I’m wondering what they consider a legitimate expense since the “detective work” itself is theoretically all volunteer.
As Sheriff Joe and Klayman work for the same outfit (wnd) that explains a little on Joe being subpoenaed by Klayman, they would need wnd approval. wnd has been touting the judge as being on their side (same judge as in FL re-count for Bush). wnd is calling the shots.
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Monday will be comedy time as wnd is making a mistake on this.
Although I would love to see a cross on Joe, he won’t be called.
If he spent $40,000 in Hawaii I wonder how much he just spent in Las Vegas and how much of it went to hookers.
Good question.
Here is the Arizona Republic story that deals with the $40,000
http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/2012/05/21/20120521arpaio-obama-birth-funding.html
Here is the pertinent paragraph:
“The cold-case posse has spent about $40,000 on the investigation so far (5/22/2012), according to the Sheriff’s Office. The posse is funded through donations.”
I agree with both of you. Both the FL case & the Arpaio show are nothing more than the latest FUD propaganda prop attempts by WND in their increasingly desperate attempt to manufacture a “Swift Boat 2012” effort against Obama’s re-election.
That is really ALL they do – spread propaganda, push nonsense-based agendas and most importantly, GRIFT off of their gullible flock in the process.
If anyone has any question about their true intent & motives here, the Birther’s own statements about their intentions in FL out them:
http://obamaballotchallenge.com/flash-june-18-fl-ballot-challenge-hearing-to-be-first-ever-to-have-arpaio-posse-affidavit-submitted
Obviously, there is ZERO chance in the REAL world that “future nullification” is even possible. But the Birther masters are good at conning and fleecing their gullible flock in the process… so they manufacture the false hope of a “magic reset button” in order to separate the fools from their money.
…And as they point out the whole TRUE objective (besides smear-based profiteering) is REALLY an attempt at “political theater”. In other words, propaganda FUD.
That is the real reason that WND is trotting out its cameras to this latest FAIL event and having their AZ puppets participate and talk up this latest stunt. The REAL goal here is that WND thinks it can still use Arpaio’s name to garnish some REAL media coverage…and therefore merely “win” in their eyes, by merely being paid attention to at all…
I agree with the assessment that WND is making a mistake on this gambit. I would argue that their last 2 Arpaio EPIC FAIL events have already demonstrated that this entire “Swift Boat” angle of Birtherism has already sailed and SUNK. But hey, let them double down and continue to waste their time in this same futile direction… it sure keeps their attention and funding focused on failure instead of coming up with anything that is an actual threat…
the BEST would be if taitz showed up since arpaio and his cold case posse of frozen fools have refused to comply with her “NOT VALID” subpoenas
she threatened to seek contempt orders and arrest warrants
According to statements attributed to Taitz, she simply plans to print copies of these new CCP affidavits and start adding them to her filings from here on in…
Observation: They’ll fit right in!
Prediction: WND will sue for copyright infringement or whatever Klayman decides to call it. Something involving millions of dollars.
Good gawd, whatta buffoon.
And he swears out this affidavit AFTER Hawaii TWICE issues official verifications.
You have to really work hard at being this stupid.
He’s always got the fallback position that he was relying on the work of his posse and that he didn’t personally supervise their work.
Personally I’m wondering why the Hawaii DOH doesn’t sue Zullo for defamation. Would it be within their right to send over someone from the Hawaii Attorney General’s office do do so? He’s personally accused them of malfeasance, although he’s also somewhat vague about it.
Still – without specifics, I’m wondering how well an affidavit will be received. I’m pretty sure that a sealed letter of verification from the Hawaii DOH can trump any vague statements from the CCP and Arpaio. If I were a judge, I’d be looking at this like Judge Malahi looked at all the “evidence” that Orly and her fellow plaintiffs did.
“how well an affidavit will be received. ”
an AFFYdavit, with great laughter!
He never once attempts to even come close to impeaching the INFORMATION on the document. Only that he is told that the document may be false.
The whole birther birth certificate shindig is based on pretending that the piece of paper doesn’t exist and never existed. At no point have they seriously attempted to challenge the INFORMATION on the documents that have been presented.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
As was pointed out already, it’s easy to swear only that you believe something. Ever since the dawn of the Birfoonish Era all their “affidavits” have been of type “I swear I believe I probably heard somebody say…”
Arpaio is going to slip his tounge sooner or later and when that happens, he’ll be put on the spot to put his money where his mouth is. When that happens he’ll back away, because we all know he’s a liar.
That’s nice. Hey, John? As I am a person who helps to pay the MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF’S salary, perhaps you should tell me what authorization he has to get involved in STATE and FEDERAL matters, exactly? Our local taxpayers don’t pay him to send posses to Hawaii and try to unseat a sitting president. He has NO AUTHORITY to do this.
So essentially, Arpaio and the Insane Clown Posse are arguing that Obama went out and forged a document containing the exact same accurate information that’s on the real document.
How diabolical!
Yes, that has always been my favorite part of the whole mishegas.
It gets worse. Apparently, he’s using a fake SSN that’s EXACTLY THE SAME AS HIS REAL ONE.
Because you don’t do what cranks are counting on, you don’t jump through their hoops and you don’t answer their provocations.
Besides, imagine they did but do not manage to prove malice (IANAL but isn’t that required in the US?) – how birthers would trumpet this as a victory that “Hawaii was unable to challenge our claims”.
It’s the same reason why biologists don’t sue creationists who claim they are atheist conspirators, or why physicists don’t sue people who claim they have been taking bribes to support relativity theory.
Consultants? Mara Zebest? Corsi? Video production?
If they didn’t sue Ron Polland for that Blue Hawaii video, they aren’t going to sue anybody.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/06/polland-posts-bullshit-video/
Egad! Has the man not one ounce of shame???!!!!!!!!!!!*
*(birther punctuation)
Zullo and Gallar have a ridiculous video out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IiTFfrm5jvY#!
“To: kreitzer
Note to self; donate money to Sheriff Joe’s reelection and Cold Case Possee. Because I sure ain’t donating to any Republicans this year!
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Public donations to Joe’s Posse is the best way to advance his investigative efforts and for him to maintain a showing of independence and objectivity.
9 posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:38:26 AM by iontheball ”
(Posted over at FreeRepublic on the Sheriff Joe challenges eligibility in Florida thread)
If one of the purposes of these announcements is to raise money, it appears to be effective. I resist the urge to post over there: “A fool and his money…”
Good question(s). Didn’t Corsi or Zullo says they sold the book because they weren’t compensated in any way by the posse or MCSO?
Zebest and video production are possibilities for some of it.
I checked the posses IRS 990 filings and there aren’t any because they are part of a public entity. That then begs the question of whether the posse’ expenditures are really public records and should be disclosed.
Interestingly I found in one of the posse’s filings with the Arizona Corporation Commission that it had $6,900 in cash at the end of 2008. They aren’t required to file that information and didn’t in subsequent years so there’s no way to know exactly what they had and when after that.
The notion that this is a “professional law enforcement investigation” (my quotes) is rendered laughable every time Zullo submits to one of this “interviews”.
I’m not sure a government can sue for slander or libel. I certainly don’t ever remember such a thing.
They don’t need to sue. They could press criminal charges. Zullo allegedly used his law enforcement credentials in an attempt to persuade a state government official to break the law. This is perfidy. He should have been arrested on the spot for this.
When all is said and done, I think it would have been more effective and less costly to have just sent an empty chair to Hawaii.
I don’t know what the law is in Hawaii but in Arizona and California, which I am familiar with, I don’t think the stunt rises to a crime……unless “dumb in public” is against the law in Hawaii.
Knowingly using law enforcement credentials that have no effect in a jurisdiction is equivalent to impersonating a peace officer, a serious crime.
Doing this in order to persuade a state official to break a law, aggravates the crime.
Presumably it would be various Hawaiian officials, such as Dr Onaka, who would sue as individuals, not the state. The courts tend to give wide latitude to criticisms of officials, but there have to be limits where there are specific factual allegations that are willfully false. If you say, “Sen Snort is a crook”, I doubt he can sue, but if you say, “I saw Snort take a suitcase full of cash behind the diner at 3 AM Tuesday morning” when you were nowhere near the diner and saw no such thing might be actionable.
Of course, the CCP report contains no specifics at all. It says “the documents may be forgeries” but doesn’t accuse anyone specific of forging them.
There are specific elements that must be present to have the crime of impersonating a peace officer and I really don’t see these guys crossing that line….at least based on what we know about the meeting.
And asking an official for a record that you aren’t entitled to see is not a crime and there is no evidence that they tried to “persuade” anyone to do something wrong.
Instead they sent a couple of empty suits.
One of the tests is whether the person is a “public” figure or if they are, as the lawyers like to say, “situatinally public figures”.
You can pretty much say anything you want about, for instance, the President. Onaka may fall into the latter category and he might have a hard time pressing a case involving his public role.
And you’re absolutely right about the Arpaio and Zullo affidavits. They are legal cotton candy.
I wonder though- Onaka has not issued any public statements, is a civil servant, not elected or appointed- all Onaka has done is certify the BC’s and certify the verifications.
Now Fukino and what’s her name, the current Director of Health have made public statements- Fukino even being interviewed. But Onaka? He has seemed very low profile.
You are absolutely right about Onaka and his position and that is the stuff that makes media lawyers rich.
As far as Onaka doing something on his own against Zullo, et al that could be interesting. Problem is he’d have to fund the case himself since I doubt he could find an attorney to take it on contingency.
The real story here is the totally unprofessional way Arpaio and Zullo are handling this thing. If this was a real investigation and prosecution they’d end up being sanctioned by a court. It really is crazy.
If anyone ever actually follows through on this nonsense and accuses him of forgery, which is the central issue of it, it will be good that he has laid low and made few if any statements.
One or more of these investigators is prepared to make a criminal accusation of forgery, correct? If that is not the case, then the matter is well and truly closed.
It was reported (I have no citation) that he “flashed his badge”.
Two men who identified themselves as being from the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office in Phoenix went to the Hawaii Department of Health Monday morning requesting verification of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, said a state spokeswoman.
A Hawaii deputy attorney general gave the men information concerning the legal requirements to obtain such a document; the requirements are posted on the Health Department’s website. The two men then left the office, Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said.
The two men showed Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office badges and identified themselves as Michael Zullo and Brian Mackiewcz, Okubo said. They are “authorized by the Sheriff of Maricopa County, who is conducting an official investigation,” a spokesman for the sheriff’s office said in an email.
Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been researching Obama’s residency status using a volunteer cold-case “posse,” but now has employed a taxpayer-funded deputy, The Arizona Republic reported Monday.
Zullo is a volunteer, the Republic reported, but Okubo said that Mackiewicz presented a business card showing he is with the Threats Management Unit of the sheriff’s office.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/152395115.html?id=152395115
He’s apparently been publicly interviewed regarding the new Hawaii DOH civil union registration system.
Hawaii prepares civil union online registration system
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/16059317/hawaii-prepares-civil-union-on-line-registration-system
CIVIL UNION AND MARRIAGE ONLINE APPLICATION PROCESS ACTIVATES ON JANUARY 1
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2011/11-067.pdf
Civil union applications go online Jan. 1
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/133997033.html
Here’s my best guess as to how it unfolded:
They meet whoever from the department and/or the attorney general’s office and as they are introduced they hold their badge cases in their left hand to identify themselves and extend their right hands to shake. (Friendly guys.) They tell them who they are and why they’re there. (No surprise to anyone, I’m sure.) At this point they probably put their badge cases away. No crime.
They may have made a specific request to see the so-called “vault copy” or the much talked about microfilm and that’s no crime either.
In a matter of minutes whoever the person is from attorney general’s office has explained to them what isn’t going to happen and sends them on their way.
So………….I don’t see anything illegal or improper here. Stupid? Oh yes. But, like I said, fortunately it’s not against the law.
The obvious question is…….forgery of what?
All these idiots have seen are computerized images.
As someone else noted…..even if they are forgeries the underlying data have been confirmed by the State of Hawaii.
So…………….with apologies to the late Clara Peller……”Where’s the crime?”
Nah, Tourism is very important to the Hawai’ian economy.
If actually subpoenaed in FL, Uncle Joe has all his answers ready. I previously posted this info at FB:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio testified at former County Attorney Andrew Thomas’ discipline hearing before the Arizona State Bar:
Under oath, Arpaio was unable to answer many questions asked about the details of the failed corruption investigations, repeatedly answering,
“I don’t recall,”
“I’m not sure.”
“I was confused then, and I’m confused now. I didn’t have all the facts,”
“I never read the indictment,”
“I don’t recall the evidence,”
“I don’t mean to be evasive, but you’re asking me questions [about cases] two, three years old. I don’t have a computerized mind,”
“I have 4,000 employees. I delegate,”
Lying POS.
Whole story at: http://www.azfamily.com/news/Arpaio-to-testify-about-failed-investigations–132051213.html
Here’s what I don’t get.
Why would anyone be stupid enough to use a computer to forge a document, then print the document out and present the hard copy to the world…and then go ahead and put the computer forgery online? I mean, just scanning the hard copy and putting that online would make the forgery undetectable, wouldn’t it?
So how can they imagine anyone would be that stupid?
How? Because THEY are that stupid.
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Here’s what I don’t get. …..
romney got around the whole (forgery/layers) thing by getting away with producing this piece of CRAP
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/29/us-usa-campaign-romney-birth-certificate-idUSBRE84S1GF20120529
i mean REALLY!!!!!!
I know better, but I listened to that dreck anyway. You can sure see where the birther crowd gets their info. I find it odd that Zullo spoke of both the Hawaiian investigation and the two-parent theory. Seems like overkill. He referred to the Republican Party’s “problem” with potential vice-presidential candidates Jindal and Rubio as a possibile reason their heros at FOX aren’t covering the issue. He even talked about Congress trying to change the Constitution without going through the proper process. I guess they are just covering all the bases. Forgery, ineligibility, SSN and Selective Service card problems. No wonder the gullible are so angry and frustrated.
speaking of bojangles (jindal)
Gov. Jindal will sign ‘birther’ bill if it reaches his desk
Gov. Bobby Jindal would sign a bill requiring presidential candidates to provide a copy of their birth certificate to qualify for the Louisiana ballot if it reaches his desk, a spokesman said Monday.
House Bill 561 was filed last week by two Republican lawmakers.
The bill by state Rep. Alan Seabaugh, R-Shreveport, and Sen. A.G. Crowe, R-Slidell, would require federal candidates who want to appear on Louisiana ballots to file an affidavit attesting to their citizenship, which would have to be accompanied by an “original or certified copy” of their birth certificate.
The requirement also would apply to candidates for U.S. Senate or the House of Representatives.
A similar bill was recently passed by the Arizona legislature.
Seabaugh, an attorney, said his bill was motivated by the numerous lawsuits that have been filed over Obama’s citizenship. “Not one of them has ever been decided on the merits,” Seabaugh said. “As an attorney, that’s offensive to me.”
He said he has no reason to doubt Obama’s citizenship. “I don’t purport to be a ‘birther,'” Seabaugh said. “This is from the standpoint of cleaning up an area of the law where there appears to be a gap.”
Obama’s citizenship has recently been aggressively questioned by construction mogul Donald Trump, who says he has sent a team of investigators to Hawaii to look at the issue.
Plotkin said Jindal believes Obama is a citizen.
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/04/gov_jindal_will_sign_birther_b.html
There is a name for that children’s game. It is called Towers of Hanoi. Every time she files somewhere, her dossie gets bigger and thicker (and stupider).
And while for Towers of Hanoi an algorithm has been created to solve the puzzle and to calculate the minimum number of moves a computer would have to make, Taitz’ version is both limitless (until defendants start moving for sanctions, any day now) and hopeless.
First, that Seabagh is a lying bagh of birfer. He knows very well that several of these suits have been judged on the merits by now. Georgia ring a bell?
Jindal will rue the day when he signs this crap (which is probably unconstitutional, and he should know so). He obviously does not know that the birfers whose votes he is hoping to get, have an escape clause with the two-parent fantasy.
Besides, if embryos are persons, Bobby, (as you seem to think) you were born in India. Where is your Natural Born Conception certificate? Don’t have one? OK, you are not NBC either.
A group of Jewish women are at their Wednesday Mahjong game.
– One woman looks at the rock on another’s left hand and says, “Vhat a beautiful diamond.”
– “This is the Plotkin diamond.”
– “Plotkin diamond? I’ve heard of he Hope diamond. Vas iss the Plotkin diamond?”
– “There’s a terrible curse that goes mit this diamond.”
– “Curse? How romantic. Vhat kind of curse?”
– “Mr. Plotkin”
Actually, ToH is very simple as an algorithm (basic example of recursion; f(n+1) = 2f(n)+1 => f(n) = 2^n-1) which perfectly corresponds to Orly’s methods (filing, motion for reconsideration, appeal, motion for reconsideration, motion for en banc rehearing, Supreme Court appeal, …, SCOTUS appeal, …) which are also recursive in nature (given how the non-results of one case get appended to the next case in another state).
Every so often one hears in the news about someone who claimed they had cancer or another disease and these people take donations. The donations are not earmarked in any specific way. They could be for medical bills, food, transportation, etc.
Later these people are discovered to not have cancer and instead bought a tummy tuck and a trip to the Bahamas.
At this point, the person that faked cancer is often tried for fraud.
So what’s different here?
We have people who took money as donations under the guise of some investigation, yet there’s nothing to investigate as it’s already settled law.
I don’t see a big difference here.
The donations were made in a non-specific way (ie: “may be used for airfare, lodging, etc”), but the reason for the donation(s) in the first place was to investigate something where all the answers are already available and no further info could be legally obtained. Wouldn’t this be fraud? ie: accepting funds under a false premise for some action that could never be successfully realized?
That article was from last year. I don’t think it went anywhere.
This was the followup:
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/05/gov_bobby_jindal_releases_his.html
Did you check the date of the article?
That’s great, the BC’s for Romney and Jindal are both a Certificate of Live Birth. We know that according to The Donald, those aren’t real birth certificates. What are the birthers to do now?
What Arpaio is referring to is the pink underwear he wants to put Obama in.