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Is there an Obot mole in the Cold Case Posse?

RC called Mike Zullo. Wow! I wouldn’t have done that, not after the brouhaha resulting from the time I called Orly Taitz. But more power to RC, bless his heart. You can read about the call on the Reality Check Radio Blog. It’s an interesting story that’s still developing.

I have to be careful to provide the following information in sequence, so that I don’t mislead anyone about what I knew and when I knew it. I don’t want anyone to say that I gave out privileged information.

The story started when I first heard that RC had called Mike Zullo. I remember that at that time I wondered where RC had gotten Zullo’s number, but that thought quickly came and went. The question returned today when I read this at Obama Release Your Records:

Secret agent Maxwell Smart holding a shoe phoneJoe Mannix: Fogbow member R.C. from ‘Reality Check Radio’ got Mike Zullo’s private cell phone number and called him in his car? This makes me think R.C. does work for Team Obama and most likely got Zullo’s number through a NSA contact. I mean think about it. The only other person I can think of who would have gave out Zullo’s cell phone number to R.C. is maybe that disgruntled Brian Reilly fella who used to post here who sided with Orly and has been ridiculing Arpaio and Zullo lately.

Now remember, I hadn’t heard anything from RC about this at that time. The NSA idea is just silly and I hadn’t heard anyone in the anti-birther community say they were talking to Brian Reilly. My first thought was that the number might be on the Cold Case Posse web site. It wasn’t. I poked around and I could not find it on the Internet. Then I remembered that there are some birthers who claim to be close to Zullo, and I speculated that perhaps one of them betrayed him and gave RC the number. I said as much at ORYR:

Dr. Conspiracy: Hmmm. Where did RC get Zullo’s phone number? I think the birthers may have a mole.

I still wasn’t sold on the mole idea, so I thought I’d ask RC directly. I went over to his web site and said, partially tongue in cheek:

Dr. Conspiracy: So where, if I may ask, did you get you get Zullo’s super-secret shoe phone number?

I frankly was not expecting the reply:

Reality Check: If I told you I would have to kill you. :lol:

The evasion got me to thinking that I might be onto something, And indeed, a very specific person of interest came to mind. To let RC know what I was thinking, I responded frankly:

Dr. Conspiracy: The fact that you decline to make this information public reinforces my speculation left at ORYR that there is an Obot mole in the Cold Case Posse. …

I have identified a person of interest.

One more time: I had no private information from RC at this point, and I have truthfully disclosed the reasons for my speculation that there is an Obot mole in the Cold Case Posse. It was not from RC.

Since the events described above, I have received a confidential communication from RC disclosing the source. I’m not going to name names—I am ethically bound to honor RC’s request not to. Also I am ethically bound not to leave any hints. I do so love veiled hints, but don’t ask.

Update:

The source of Zullo’s phone number was not Brian Reilly.

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34 Responses to Is there an Obot mole in the Cold Case Posse?

  1. avatar
    Curious George September 8, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

    From RC Radio Blog,
    Reality Check:

    “I called Michael Zullo, the head of Sheriff Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse, on Sunday afternoon to invite him to appear on RC Radio tomorrow night. He accepted and seemed eager to come on the show. That was until he talked to his boss Jerome Corsi. I knew that things were going south when Zullo copied Jerome Corsi on an email reply to me. It seems that Zullo is taking his marching orders from Corsi. When I sent the details of the show to Mr. Zullo he immediately asked if I wanted to invite Dr. Corsi to appear with him. Why would I want to invite a journalist to appear with someone who was supposed to have headed up an impartial investigative body? I wanted to hear Mr. Zullo’s story and not from someone who has been trying to profit on the Birther issue for three years”

    March 5, 2012

    It looks like RC has had Air Raid Warden Z’s phone number for almost a year and a half! The plot thickens.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 8, 2013 at 10:01 pm #

    John is gonna read that headline, and crap his pants.
    Hell, all of Zullo’s cheerleaders will for that matter!
    Dis gonna be good!

  3. avatar
    Keith September 8, 2013 at 11:15 pm #

    My radar is pinging.

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    Curious George September 8, 2013 at 11:27 pm #

    I’ve got it!!!!!! A new theory!!!!!
    Could it be Corporal Mike Zullo of the CCCP is ………..an Obot Mole? He spoke with RC as far back as March 5, 2012. Verrrrry interesting. Since March 5, 2012, nothing has happened with the investigation. (Any day now!) Could it be that RC persuaded The Arizona Kid to become……..an Obot Mole? The Arizona Kid scuttled his July 17, 2012 press conference with bogus race codes. Shortly after this, The Arizona Kid deep-sixed his side kick birther Corsi and continued to do radio interviews and has attacked any and all who would question his lack of progress. Only ……….an Obot Mole at a very high level could achieve the disastrous results that have left the CCCP in shambles and with Zero credibility. Could it be that Corporal Z is a double agent and RC is pulling his strings? So tell us RC, is Captain Z……..the Obot Mole? Birthers should be asking Captain Z if he is …..an Obot Mole? He did say that his goal was to clear the President. 😉

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 8, 2013 at 11:38 pm #

    Perhaps a shrew.

    Curious George: Could it be Corporal Mike Zullo of the CCCP is ………..an Obot Mole?

  6. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 9, 2013 at 12:29 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Perhaps a shrew.

    More like a snake.

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    Suranis September 9, 2013 at 12:37 am #

    Damn, can it be that Zulllo’s Xerox printer has betrayed him?

  8. avatar
    dunstvangeet September 9, 2013 at 12:39 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Perhaps a shrew.

    Maybe, but I don’t want to tame it…

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    Lupin September 9, 2013 at 3:18 am #

    There’s an easy test Ubersturmfuehrer Zullo could use to find the mole: ask everyone in his posse what color the sky is.

    The one who says blue is the mole.

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    Lupin September 9, 2013 at 3:35 am #

    Mole-finding test for USF Zullo:

    1) How do you drink your whisky?
    (a) in a glass
    (b) straight out of the bottle
    (c) on your four on the floor with a straw

    2) Under your bedroom’s floor, there is…
    (a) pipes
    (b) your reserve of whisky
    (c) Kenyans

    3) Someone complains about your breath…
    (a) you change your brand of toothpaste
    (b) you change your brand of whisky
    (c) you punch the a**hole who complained about your faith

    If you answer a majority of (a)s you’re the mole.

  11. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 9, 2013 at 6:57 am #

    What I find hard to justify of Zullo pressing RC to declare his identity. RC is no legitimate subject for what the Posse pretends to do. The only reason I can think of is that Zullo hopes to use RC’s identity to discredit his Xerox evidence. That’s not going to work.

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    JPotter September 9, 2013 at 7:07 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: The only reason I can think of is that Zullo hopes to use RC’s identity to discredit his Xerox evidence. That’s not going to work.

    That’s the go-to move. A most egregious take on argumentum ad hominem. It’s one thing for keyboard warriors at FR to play this game, but for an offline entify to do so, particularly a (supposed) law enforcement entity … !

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    Curious George September 9, 2013 at 8:26 am #

    JPotter: That’s the go-to move. A most egregious take on argumentum ad hominem. It’s one thing for keyboard warriors at FR to play this game, but for an offline entify to do so, particularly a (supposed) law enforcement entity … !

    The go-to move. Yes indeed. The move of desperation when facts become troublesome.

  14. avatar
    alg September 9, 2013 at 10:10 am #

    Mr. Zullo’s telephone number for his Arizona company “Autotruth” is widely available on the internet.

  15. avatar
    scott e September 9, 2013 at 10:17 am #

    [While I have a ban on scott e, the post is long, and I thought I would let it in, and insert some responses in boldface. Doc]
    it wasn’t me. I do love all the cloak and dagger mad magazine spy versus spy stuff. but how do some of you stay engaged in this without true identity? seems odd.. “RC” could be a composite character for all we know. we have out theories. I hope you’ve been as honest, as you expect from the birther side.

    I have met RC personally, and he is a real person, not a composite. And of course you hear his distinctive voice each week on his radio show.

    once again, not to belabor that old point, you don’t all act like a group representing what you do (the red flag gang). I compare that stance to Obama being Obama, while touting “transparency”, “we won’t rest until”… and so forth. they don’t square up to me. all the question authority alarm bells go off.

    I will make this offer though. if you wish, I would be happy to act as a connector/liaison with mr. Zullo, or j c, or whomever I can call directly or email. it’s sacred territory, and I would never violate anyone’s confidence from my side of the front..

    Not necessary.

    but in the interest of advancement for the America people, i’d hate to see you guys claim you couldn’t reach those folks. I would never give out their numbers or emails.

    I already have Zullo’s phone number.

    i’m sure people have wondered if i’m a spy, for one side or the other. except as I’ve said many times, I really don’t know anything. I am not a journalist or a technical expert, and i’m barely even a “blogger”. i’m a musician from Vermont, this is not my typical arena. if I have ideas questions or ifo that I think my help, I try to pass it along. you never know what tidbit of info, or a slightly different perspective, may trigger another’s theory, or conclusions.

    Sounds like you have nothing to offer.

    I haven’t asked about the “persons of interest”, or about any other specifics, regarding that. as I said they keep things very close to the vest. but I would ask on your behalf, just to get/keep the ball rolling. I have taken questions from here to there, but they don’t always answer, and I have to respect that. but i’m here to help. sounds as if you already have the (some) contact info.

    There is no person of interest. There is no investigation. There is nothing to ask about.

    the one observation I would make, and have said before “don’t over flatter yourselves” I think you think you may be more important, from their perspective, than you think. you should stand by your principle position, if there is nothing to hide, there should be nothing to worry about. that said, as I said yesterday, I am drawn to and compelled by the overall resistance, from the antis.

    We stand on the evidence.

    don’t forget fogbow’s history of punking and distracting, which I think will be an Achilles heel, and the arrogance of the ridicule that will topple the antibirther side. you guys are good, but are you good enough to stop this ? I don’t think so.

    The partisan birthers are not interested in any argument against birtherism, no matter where it comes from. Whatever they think about the Fogbow is irrelevant.

    like the lfbc, this is primarily a virtual arena, and you know I have suspected composite “characters/players” in the various forums. I still believe there are similarities between john woodman and arduini, perhaps some collusion… though john assures me there isn’t.

    Who helps whom is irrelevant. It’s the evidence that counts. The Cold Case Posse’s evidence has been discredited, not because of who they are, but by what they claim being contrary to experimental results.

    those associations and various works remind me of jack cashill’s theory, which I continue to find stunning. I read all the books, twice, and I have grave doubts about the authenticity and the collective “obot” antibirther narrative.

    You read Cashill and have doubts about our narrative? It takes a pretty dumb bunny not to see Cashill’s rhetorical tricks.

    ridicule is at the very top of the obot key. the only better than ridicule for someone like eppy, is doing it and being openly smug about it, as illustrated by wong’s signature line at PF. but you can’t have falstaff, and have him thin, which preston tucker said “sounds like a fortune cookie”, but I still love. remember guys, there a still people just entering this controversy, and I suspect there are players from both sides behind the curtain, whom we have yet to meet. just a theory.


    You can take all the ridicule away, and the fact remains that the birthers have no evidence for what they believe. As for your entire comment, I found it devoid of content. It was just words for words sake. Ban back on.

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 9, 2013 at 10:39 am #

    The 7444 number is not his mobile number.

    alg: Mr. Zullo’s telephone number for his Arizona company “Autotruth” is widely available on the internet.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater September 9, 2013 at 10:54 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: You can take all the ridicule away, and the fact remains that the birthers have no evidence for what they believe. As for your entire comment, I found it devoid of content. It was just words for words sake. Ban back on.

    Doc, I too read Scott’s entire post and as usual I can’t see the actual point he was trying to make. Not once did he show a coherant argument. It was just a bunch of words that had no actual meaning behind them. Typical troll.

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    BatGuano September 9, 2013 at 11:00 am #

    i enjoyed gallups’ disclaimer that zullo was going thru a carwash ( which RC had no knowledge of, couldn’t hear nor did zullo make any reference to ) and that was the reason that zullo had to yell every so often.

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    CarlOrcas September 9, 2013 at 11:45 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: The 7444 number is not his mobile number.

    And the Autotruth website hasn’t been active for over two years. The last real page I find on the Wayback machine is from June 2011.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater September 9, 2013 at 12:01 pm #

    CarlOrcas: And the Autotruth website hasn’t been active for over two years. The last real page I find on the Wayback machine is from June 2011.

    Isn’t his name also on the registration information for the cold case posse?

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    CarlOrcas September 9, 2013 at 12:23 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Isn’t his name also on the registration information for the cold case posse?

    The WhoIs info for the posse’s website doesn’t include his name but he is on the Arizona Corporation Commission’s website in all the posse’s filings since it was founded.

  22. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 9, 2013 at 1:03 pm #

    It seems advance a position while appearing conciliatory to the opposing view and not actually taking a stand on either, but justifying ones self in the process. I write stuff like that sometimes–and delete it.

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Doc, I too read Scott’s entire post and as usual I can’t see the actual point he was trying to make. Not once did he show a coherant argument. It was just a bunch of words that had no actual meaning behind them. Typical troll.

  23. avatar
    MN-Skeptic September 9, 2013 at 7:35 pm #

    Wouldn’t it be the height of irony if Zullo’s private cell phone number had been hidden in the metadata of the PDF file of his affidavit that he filed with Alabama?

  24. avatar
    G September 9, 2013 at 8:19 pm #

    ROTFLMAO! This is where “Dope springs eternal” becomes entertaining. I get a kick out of this variation of their “Any.Day.Now” optimism. There is no actual “controversy” here, just a bunch of unhappy reality-impaired people with really lame whoppers, hoping against hope that they can get an audience for their latest Z-grade fantasy fiction propaganda efforts.

    I guess these folks take the old adage of “there’s a sucker born every minute” as motivational inspiration. How laughable.

    But hey, good luck with that Scott. Your “membership drive” target audience for Birtherism is pretty much limited to competing for attention with the same delusional sad scraps that the Flat Earth Society wants to recruit. So yeah, keep competing with them for irrelevance…

    scott e: remember guys, there a still people just entering this controversy,

  25. avatar
    The European September 10, 2013 at 3:53 pm #

    A bit off topic, but have you guys ever seen this:

    http://superstore.wnd.com/HELP-FUND-INDEPENDENT-INVESTIGATIONS-OF-OBAMAS-ELIGIBILITY

    When it comes to milk the birthers, WND is really brilliant ……

  26. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 10, 2013 at 4:05 pm #

    The European:
    A bit off topic, but have you guys ever seen this:

    http://superstore.wnd.com/HELP-FUND-INDEPENDENT-INVESTIGATIONS-OF-OBAMAS-ELIGIBILITY

    When it comes to milk the birthers, WND is really brilliant ……

    Has there EVER been a group so happy to be kicked in the balls repeatedly as the birthers?

  27. avatar
    The European September 10, 2013 at 4:16 pm #

    It feels so good when the pain disappears ….

  28. avatar
    G September 10, 2013 at 9:33 pm #

    Indeed! Very accurate description.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Has there EVER been a group so happy to be kicked in the balls repeatedly as the birthers?

  29. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 10, 2013 at 11:24 pm #

    G:
    Indeed! Very accurate description.

    To epic sounding music no less!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qvm6a2cd6w

  30. avatar
    JPotter September 10, 2013 at 11:44 pm #

    The European: When it comes to milk the birthers, WND is really brilliant ……

    “save the Constitution from being dumbed down permanently.”

    Now that’s a stirring call to action!

  31. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 11, 2013 at 12:43 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Has there EVER been a group so happy to be kicked in the balls repeatedly as the birthers?

    That hurts just thinking about it!

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    CarlOrcas September 11, 2013 at 12:47 pm #

    The European:
    A bit off topic, but have you guys ever seen this:

    http://superstore.wnd.com/HELP-FUND-INDEPENDENT-INVESTIGATIONS-OF-OBAMAS-ELIGIBILITY

    When it comes to milk the birthers, WND is really brilliant ……

    You gotta give WND credit for at least being above board about their scam:

    A portion of all contributions will go to support WND’s efforts, with another portion going to Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse, which issued the first of its devastating reports in February 2012– with many more released since.

    Contributions to the WND fund are not tax-deductible.

    Have you sent in your $1,000, john?

  33. avatar
    Crustacean September 11, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Has there EVER been a group so happy to be kicked in the balls repeatedly as the birthers?

    No, but in the future, there will be…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_4jrMwvZ2A

  34. avatar
    Curious George September 11, 2013 at 3:49 pm #

    Dr. C,

    “Joe Mannix: Fogbow member R.C. from ‘Reality Check Radio’ got Mike Zullo’s private cell phone number and called him in his car? This makes me think R.C. does work for Team Obama and most likely got Zullo’s number through a NSA contact. I mean think about it. The only other person I can think of who would have gave out Zullo’s cell phone number to R.C. is maybe that disgruntled Brian Reilly fella who used to post here who sided with Orly and has been ridiculing Arpaio and Zullo lately.”

    I’ve done some sleuthing just tor the fun of it. “Joe Mannix” posts on various blogs including ORYR. “Joe Mannix” was a late 1960’s early 1970’s TV detective series. “Joe Mannix,” according to Wiki was a detective who “disobeys his boss’s orders and sets out to do things his own way.” It was a ficticious, violent, fantasy TV drama. Could there be a “Joe Mannix” connection to the Cold Case Posse?

    An individual using the pseudonym “Joe Mannix” makes the preposterous claim that the Natioinal Security Agency released Mike Zullo’s private cell phone number. This allegation is totally delusional and irrational. “Joe Mannix” then moves on to a former Surprise Tea Party spokeperson and accuses him of releasing Zullo’s private cell phone number. He calls Reilly “disgruntled” and says that Reilly is “ridiculing Arpaio and Zullo.” Other news articles report that Reilly became a member of the CCCP. I found a September 18, 2011 article on WND where Reilly is quoted, “I am confident that this investigation will be professional and unbiased and I am certain….the Cold Case Posse…will seek to discover the truth in the matter.” In the same article, Sheriff Arpaio is quoted, “This investigation does not involve politics.”

    We all know how that worked out. We have all seen the antics of the CCCP and Corporal Zullo. Is this a legitimate investigation? No. Is it professional? No. Is it unbiased? No. Is it seeking the truth? No. Is the “investigation” about politics? Yes. If Mr. Reilly was really seeking the truth and didn’t have an agenda, is it any wonder why he would quit the CCCP? Other articles reported that Mr. Reilly apparently started this project. I also found a copy of a letter of reply to Mr. Reilly’s letter to Maricopa County Attorney William Montgomery. The letter was posted in The New Phoenix Times. In a nutshell, County Attorney Montgomery would not act on the CCCP criminal “evidence” calling it “speculation.”

    Joe Mannix’ IP address shows that he is in Cave Creek, AZ. The Arizona Corporation Commission shows in their 10/08/2010 Notice of Pending Dissolution for The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office Cold Case Posse, the following name and mailing address: Mike Zullo, 6715 E. Peak View RD, Cave Creek, AZ. 85331-6559.

    There is a very good possibility that “Joe Mannix” is in reality, Supreme Commander Mike Zullo or one of his CCCP cohorts. If they are one in the same, why would he disparage Mr. Reilly if in fact Mr. Reilly asked for the investigation and then volunteered with the CCCP. If Mr. Reilly was sincere in his quote to WND about wanting to find the truth, and he saw on the inside what we all have observed on the outside, his leaving the CCCP may show a lack of confidence in the investigation and could be a huge black-eye for Commandant Zullo. Zullo would naturally attack anyone who seeks the truth, including R.C., NBC, and Dr. C.

    From what we all have seen with this Barnum & Bailey circus, Zullo and Arpaio rightfully deserve the ridicule. Many have called this a “sham investigation.” Is there any doubt left?