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The occasional open thread: Twin birthers edition

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Photo (right) is an allegory of birther arguments against Barack Obama’s birth certificate.

179 Responses to The occasional open thread: Twin birthers edition

  1. avatar
    Arthur September 11, 2013 at 12:41 am #

    “Bush speechwriter: Krugman was right

    “A startling admission from a prominent conservative suggests that the left learns from its mistakes

    “When a former former speechwriter for George W. Bush says nice things about Paul Krugman it’s worth taking notice. Krugman was one of Bush’s toughest critics; to suggest that he was correct in his savage evisceration of Bush’s economic policies is apostasy of the highest order.

    “But Frum goes even further than that in his post ‘Were Our Enemies Right?’ Frum suggests that the entire conservative movement has fundamentally misunderstood how to manage the economy, and he compares it to how the ‘left’ failed to understand the true nature of Soviet Communism.”

    http://www.salon.com/2011/08/05/paul_krugman_and_david_frum/

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    Bovril September 11, 2013 at 8:27 am #

    @jdkinpa

    Was that Butterdezillion on the call, if not we have another mad woman who is quite convinced that teh NSA is monitoring and censoring, in real time, her email/traffic/calls etc etc etc.

    ‘Cause after all they are sooooooooo important

  3. avatar
    Arthur September 11, 2013 at 8:48 am #

    If you’re a skeptic of “alternative medicine” and new-agey, anti-science baloney, you’ll enjoy this poetic, animated rant about a Englishman’s encounter with a young woman at a dinner party.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science_of_longevity/2013/09/tim_minchin_s_storm_critique_of_alternative_medicine_and_defense_of_reason.html

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    gorefan September 11, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

    Recycled birther meme.

    On his blogtalk show yesterday MIke Volin brought up the 2007 Selma, Alabama speech by then-Senator Obama.

    He is convinced that it is an admission that the President was born in Selma after 1965. What a moron.

    There is also an update by Carl Gallups – basically nothing knew but they have not been able to get together with Congressman Stockman again and Gallups mentions several times that Stockman could drop out and that maybe nothing will happen before the President leaves office in 2017.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wheresobamasbirthcertificate/2013/09/11/carl-gallups-guest-obama-reveals-his-true-birth-date-video

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    justlw September 11, 2013 at 3:52 pm #

    Arthur:
    If you’re a skeptic of “alternative medicine” and new-agey, anti-science baloney,you’ll enjoy this poetic, animated rant about a Englishman’s encounter with a young woman at a dinner party.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science_of_longevity/2013/09/tim_minchin_s_storm_critique_of_alternative_medicine_and_defense_of_reason.html

    OK, that was absolutely brilliant. Steal 10 minutes from your busy day and watch this. It was the perfect brain-cleanse after wrassling with a truther-curious FB friend on today of all days.

    (one of my all-time favorite responses to alternative medicine fans is featured at 3:00…)

    EDIT: a Tim Minchin song was also the nucleus of one of Randall Munroe’s early “what if”s: Soul Mates

  6. avatar
    The European September 11, 2013 at 4:06 pm #

    Well, really off topic.(But this is an open mike thread, isn’t it ? I never watched HBO before (don’t watch TV anyhow). Found this on l`Express. (NSFW !!)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUBiOOx0Pxw#t=37

    (and you can stop the video any time you want. No one forces your fingers)

  7. avatar
    Arthur September 11, 2013 at 5:21 pm #

    justlw: OK, that was absolutely brilliant.

    So glad you liked it. I thought it was quite good, too.

  8. avatar
    Arthur September 11, 2013 at 5:23 pm #

    The European: I never watched HBO before (don’t watch TV anyhow).

    Me neither. Gee, I never knew that HBO was so sex-filled. Still, it can’t be as good as my laptop pornography machine.

  9. avatar
    The European September 11, 2013 at 5:38 pm #

    Arthur,

    I guess in this case parody and original are not distinguishable. And I believe someone made a law about that phenomenon ….

  10. avatar
    Stephen September 11, 2013 at 5:38 pm #

    Perhaps someone can clarify for me (in small words) the significance of the discussion regarding whether there are anomalies with the scan of the document purported to be the Official Birth Certificate of President Obama and whether any such anomalies are significant.

    As I understand it, the State of Hawaii issued a paper document to the President. That paper document was his Birth Certificate. It is prima facie evidence of the information on it. The State of Hawaii has confirmed that they issued such a document, that it was based upon the information they held, and that the information on the scan is the same as the information on the document they issued.

    So what is the significance of a purported copy/scan of that document? It is not an official anything. No court would consider it as evidence. If someone thinks that copy/scan has problems, so what?

    Let’s assume that the document was retyped, cut and pasted, or whatever is being purported. So what? The underlying document has been vouched for by the State. Example, let’s say I apply for a job and need to prove that I am licensed to drive. I send a scan of my license to them. They question it and we ask the state – did you issue this guy a drivers’ license, is the information on the scan match the information you have on your copy of the license, and is the picture the same? And the state says yes to all this. The name matches, the address matches, the physical description matches (OK, the weight may be a little off but it’s the same as the state thinks), the picture matches, and there is a valid license that has been issued. Again, what’s the issue?

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    The European September 11, 2013 at 5:47 pm #

    Really looks like the Catholic Church has found a decent man as Pope:

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpanorama%2Fgesellschaft%2Foffener-brief-von-franziskus-a-921558.html&act=url

    (Excuse my English, it is all Google’s fault)

  12. avatar
    The European September 11, 2013 at 5:54 pm #

    Stephen:
    Perhaps someone can clarify for me (in small words) the significance of the discussion regarding whether there are anomalies with the scan of the document purported to be the Official Birth Certificate of President Obama and whether any such anomalies are significant.
    ……

    Again, what’s the issue?

    Stephen, you are preaching to the choir. Better ask Dr. Taitz Esq. But I suspect that she doesn’t have an answer to your questions as well ….

  13. avatar
    Slartibartfast September 11, 2013 at 7:15 pm #

    I’m sorry Stephen, but your comment proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are nowhere near stupid enough to be a birther. You’ll never understand birther reasoning by taking an approach based on facts, logic, and the law.

    Here’s my take on how someone arrives at the conclusion that the pdf image of the LFBC is in any way significant:

    First, one has to fancy themselves a scientist while completely failing to understand how the scientific process works. In other words, to use a phrase coined by Richard Feynman, to engage in cargo cult science (aping the superficial trappings while being completely ignorant of the foundation on which they are based).

    Instead of asking a scientific (i.e. falsifiable) question and employing a sound investigatory methodology to develop evidence to support or refute that question, you first need to determine the conclusion that you wish to reach (something like “the pdf posted to the White House website is a forgery” or “President* Obama was not born in Hawai’i”). A logical consequence of your conclusion should be that the LFBC pdf is a forgery—you are now ready to collect “evidence” to “prove” this to be the case, a process that is easy provided that you avoid any shred of objectivity.

    The next step is to open up the pdf in a viewer which enables you to view the construction of the document (layers, metadata, etc.) and repeat the following process until you are satisfied that your “evidence” is “irrefudiatable”:

    1. Identify an aspect of the construction which you cannot explain (WARNING: any knowledge of image compression or pdf construction techniques will severely handicap you at this point).

    2. ??????

    3, Classify the artifact as an anomaly which could only be the result of human intervention.

    The beauty of this technique is that, having no discernable methodology, your methodology cannot be attacked.

    If you truly wish to understand birther reasoning, however, you will most likely need to take proactive steps to adjust your intelligence level in order to be successful. A serious meth habit, hardcore huffing, and traumatic brain injury would all give you a good start in this quest.

    Hope this helped…

    * Using the title of president when referring to Mr. Obama is a dead giveaway that you are an evil socio-commie liberal obot of course—be sure to avoid rookie mistakes like this.

    Stephen: Perhaps someone can clarify for me (in small words) the significance of the discussion regarding whether there are anomalies with the scan of the document purported to be the Official Birth Certificate of President Obama and whether any such anomalies are significant.

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    Keith September 11, 2013 at 8:37 pm #

    Arthur: If you’re a skeptic of “alternative medicine” and new-agey, anti-science baloney, you’ll enjoy this poetic, animated rant about a Englishman’s encounter with a young woman at a dinner party.

    Tim Minchin is AUSTRALIAN. (born in UK to Australian parents, raised in Perth WA)

    And he is a GENIUS.

    And he is extremely funny.

    And I have seen him live once, before he was ‘somebody’. I have regrettably missed him the last few times I had a chance.

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    Rickey September 11, 2013 at 8:43 pm #

    There was supposed to be a “million Muslim” march and a “million biker” march in D.C. today. Apparently the two rallies drew a few hundred people.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/09/11/2-million-bikers-christian-activists-confront-911-gathering-formerly-called-the-million-muslim-march

  16. avatar
    Arthur September 11, 2013 at 9:14 pm #

    Keith: Tim Minchin is AUSTRALIAN.

    Yes, you’re right. I was confused because he sets the encounter in England. Sorry ’bout that.

  17. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 11, 2013 at 9:16 pm #

    The birther theory is that the White House PDF file of the President’s long-form birth certificate is a fake because it shows indications of being assembled by a human using bits of other certificates rather than being a scan of a single original document.

    If it’s not a scan of an original document, then the President lied about what was released to the public. If he lied about this, then he must be covering up something, which is obviously that he doesn’t have a real Hawaiian birth certificate to scan.

    There are two essential problems with the theory:

    1) The PDF file does not show indications that a human assembled it from pieces of other certificates, but rather shows that it was scanned from an original document by an office machine like the Xerox WorkCentre 7655 and then rotated with Mac Preview.

    2) The fact that Obama has an authentic Hawaiian birth certificate has been verified, independent of what the White House released.

    If you are expecting to find any sense in the birther conclusions, or any coherent alternative narrative explaining the evidence regarding Obama’s birth place, you are wasting your time. The birther theory is not logically coherent–it does not make sense.

    Stephen: So what is the significance of a purported copy/scan of that document? It is not an official anything. No court would consider it as evidence. If someone thinks that copy/scan has problems, so what?

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    RanTalbott September 11, 2013 at 9:32 pm #

    The European: Again, what’s the issue?

    The issue is that there are a bunch of people who literally hate Obama, for a variety of reasons: some because he’s black, some because he’s liberal, some because they don’t understand the real world and expect whoever’s President to work various kinds of miracles.

    There’s a smaller group of people who make money exploiting that hate. And some of them came up with a scam to give the racists and other “socially unacceptable” haters some cover by pretending there’s something fishy about his paperwork. They concocted phony “issues”, and the haters get say “See? I’m not a racist: I hate him because he’s a crook”.

  19. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 11, 2013 at 9:33 pm #

    The Catholic Church has been moving slowly in this direction for a long time. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) said:

    847 … Those who, through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience–those too may achieve eternal salvation.

    This is a step in the liberalization of Catholic theology that appears to continue under the new Pope.

    The European: Really looks like the Catholic Church has found a decent man as Pope:

  20. avatar
    justlw September 11, 2013 at 9:40 pm #

    I know optics aren’t everything, but the truism is “after a thin pope, a fat pope,” so in this case: “After a pope who looks like Emperor Palpatine, a pope who looks like Simon the Likeable.”

  21. avatar
    gorefan September 11, 2013 at 9:45 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: This is a step in the liberalization of Catholic theology

    As is this:

    “[Archbishop] Parolin said in an interview with Venezuelan newspaper El Universal that the tradition of priestly celibacy is not dogma, or a law of divine origin, and is therefore open to discussion. He went on to note that while the church is not a democratic institution, it needs to “reflect the democratic spirit of the times and adopt a collegial way of governing.”.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/10/pietro-parolin-priestly-celibacy-not-dogma_n_3901271.html

  22. avatar
    Steve September 12, 2013 at 1:33 am #

    Arthur:
    “Bush speechwriter: Krugman was right

    “A startling admission from a prominent conservative suggests that the left learns from its mistakes

    “When a former former speechwriter for George W. Bush says nice things about Paul Krugman it’s worth taking notice. Krugman was one of Bush’s toughest critics; to suggest that he was correct in his savage evisceration of Bush’s economic policies is apostasy of the highest order.

    “But Frum goes even further than that in his post ‘Were Our Enemies Right?’ Frum suggests that the entire conservative movement has fundamentally misunderstood how to manage the economy, and he compares it to how the ‘left’ failed to understand the true nature of Soviet Communism.”

    http://www.salon.com/2011/08/05/paul_krugman_and_david_frum/

    I’ve come to respect David Frum quite a bit. Seems like a reasonable, sane kind of guy.

  23. avatar
    The European September 12, 2013 at 1:57 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    The Catholic Church has been moving slowly in this direction for a long time. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) said:

    This is a step in the liberalization of Catholic theology that appears to continue under the new Pope.

    The Pope must be a Lutheran. It is no longer the Church that decides the eternal fate but “Only the Grace of God” ? Strange.

    (Disclaimer: I am agnostic)

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    Lupin September 12, 2013 at 3:38 am #

    I found this thread on free republic atguing about the (French) dual citizenship of James Madison et al.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3054477/replies?c=473

    I can’t post/reply there, but I have to say that the quoted book excerpt which claims that Madison et al would have had to appear before a French Court and swear allegiance in order to become “real” French citizens is extremely debatable (to say the least).

    Once Honorary Citizenship was granted by the Assembly, if accepted (and certainly Madison did accept it), nothing more was required.

    Same with US Homorary Citizenship granted by an Act of Congress, in fact.

    There is room to debate what exactly that Honorary Citizen entailed in terms of rights, privileges & obligations, but the person on free republic who denies it altogether or the author of the book he quotes is wrong.

  25. avatar
    The Magic M September 12, 2013 at 7:41 am #

    The European: I guess in this case parody and original are not distinguishable. And I believe someone made a law about that phenomenon

    Poe’s Law. It applies to the crazies as well, that is why several known deliberate hoaxes (such as the “foreign student application” April Fool’s joke) have made it into birther canon (or the “hundreds of thousands of military votes not counted in 2012 election” into Tea Party lore).

  26. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater September 12, 2013 at 8:19 am #

    From the twitter feed to the right. Original article is from last month, other birthers just getting around to it now. http://thelastgreatstand.com/lgs/2013/08/19/oh-oh-over-100-pages-of-documentation-found-of-obamas-kenyan-birth/

    Supposed documentation of a kenyan birth to an american citizen between july 1961 and december 1961. Author claims a consular certificate was issued for the child but then shows no documentation of who the child supposedly was. The images on the page are too small to even read. Most likely some of the charts came from penn and crosby.

  27. avatar
    Northland10 September 12, 2013 at 9:05 am #

    The European: The Pope must be a Lutheran. It is no longer the Church that decides the eternal fate but “Only the Grace of God” ? Strange.

    (Disclaimer: I am agnostic)

    This Pope appears to view his role as ministry, not monarchy.

  28. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 12, 2013 at 9:34 am #

    Northland10: This Pope appears to view his role as ministry, not monarchy.

    Which probably has all of Vatican city in an uproar. He seems like a pretty sensible, likable man thus far.

  29. avatar
    gorefan September 12, 2013 at 1:56 pm #

    Is this one of those FEMA camps everyone keeps talking about?

    http://www.nbcnews.com/science/what-mysterious-amazon-web-baffles-scientists-8C11073468?lite&lite=obinsite

  30. avatar
    The European September 12, 2013 at 4:58 pm #

    The European:
    George M. is such a coward:

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3559407/%E2%80%9CPresident%E2%80%99s%E2%80%9D%20Speech%20Canceled-%20for%20Lack%20of%20Eligibility%20.jpg

    Update: he approved now and answered “LOL”

  31. avatar
    G September 12, 2013 at 7:55 pm #

    Quite clever in explaining the process of reasoning vs just buying into whatever one hears or wants to believe…

    justlw: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science_of_longevity/2013/09/tim_minchin_s_storm_critique_of_alternative_medicine_and_defense_of_reason.html

    OK, that was absolutely brilliant. Steal 10 minutes from your busy day and watch this. It was the perfect brain-cleanse after wrassling with a truther-curious FB friend on today of all days.

  32. avatar
    Keith September 13, 2013 at 12:22 am #

    Hey! It ain’t just ‘murrikns what are inbred racist slobovians:

    Fulvio Bressan, Italian Winemaker, Faces Boycott Over Racist Tirade

  33. avatar
    donna September 13, 2013 at 9:55 am #

    DUMB AS DIRT Louie Gohmert Suggests Defunding Executive Branch to Punish Obama

    how about the DO NOTHING CONGRESS????????

    let them PAY BACK the TAX DOLLARS they LOST

    Louie Gohmert (R-TX), who is infamous for saying egregiously stupid things, thinks he has the Obama administration by the balls, saying Thursday that “if the administration is not going to be forthcoming with information about the IRS, then it may be necessary to defund part of the executive branch until such time as they become truthful.”

    On Wednesday, Gohmert admitted that 10-12 Republicans meet weekly to plot against Obamacare.

    Gohmert, in true Beckian style, warmed to his conspiracy theories and went flat-out, full-bore stupid on America.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2013/09/13/louie-gohmert-suggests-defunding-executive-branch-punish-obama.html

  34. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 13, 2013 at 10:54 am #

    Found this one one of Mark Kessler’s facebook pages.
    I guess the dumb pecker-wood didn’t think about the consequences his actions would have on his children.
    https://www.facebook.com/chiefkessler/posts/371079502995547

    If you don’t feel like reading it allow me to summarize:
    I got myself suspended without pay for acting like a complete nutter, and now my family is suffering because of my stupidity. Finding a new job is too hard! Being a trigger happy meat head is all I know! I royally crapped the bed, but I don’t wanna sleep in it! Help me my crazy minions, help me! I hate those hand-out loving liberals, but please! I need a hand out!

    I feel bad for his kids, but I’m laughing my self sick at Kessler’s pathetic pleas for help.

  35. avatar
    Lupin September 13, 2013 at 11:24 am #

    donna: DUMB AS DIRT Louie Gohmert Suggests Defunding Executive Branch to Punish Obama

    how about the DO NOTHING CONGRESS????????

    let them PAY BACK the TAX DOLLARS they LOST

    Louie Gohmert (R-TX), who is infamous for saying egregiously stupid things, thinks he has the Obama administration by the balls, saying Thursday that “if the administration is not going to be forthcoming with information about the IRS, then it may be necessary to defund part of the executive branch until such time as they become truthful.”

    On Wednesday, Gohmert admitted that 10-12 Republicans meet weekly to plot against Obamacare.

    Gohmert, in true Beckian style, warmed to his conspiracy theories and went flat-out, full-bore stupid on America.

    Sometimes I think the GOP’sd playbook is the same as Governor LePetomane’s in Mel Brook’s’ BLAZING SADDLES.

  36. avatar
    justlw September 13, 2013 at 11:25 am #

    The world was never meant for one as beautiful as Chief Mark Kessler.

  37. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 13, 2013 at 12:01 pm #

    Lupin: Sometimes I think the GOP’sd playbook is the same as Governor LePetomane’s in Mel Brook’s’ BLAZING SADDLES.

    Heh! Just had the mental image of a GOPer, circa November 7 2008, seeing the newly elected Obama riding to town on a horse. And then trying to tell all his buddies about it.
    “The President is a n*bell rings*er!”
    “What did he say?”
    “I think he said the President is near!”

    justlw:
    The world was never meant for one as beautiful as Chief Mark Kessler.

    And sadly, the man has already reproduced. Remember boys and girls, always have your idiots spayed or neutered!

  38. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 13, 2013 at 5:57 pm #

    Historian Jesse Walker discusses birtherism, trutherism, and AIDS conspiracies

    http://www.examiner.com/article/historian-jesse-walker-discusses-birtherism-trutherism-and-aids-conspiracies

  39. avatar
    Majority Will September 13, 2013 at 6:42 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Historian Jesse Walker discusses birtherism, trutherism, and AIDS conspiracies

    http://www.examiner.com/article/historian-jesse-walker-discusses-birtherism-trutherism-and-aids-conspiracies

    And one guess as to which prolific birther bigot showed up to make an idiotic comment.

  40. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 13, 2013 at 7:51 pm #

    I really like the new quote of the day:

    …if people … are uncomfortable with the idea of America as a multicultural nation, to them, the President is metaphorically foreign for all sorts of reasons and a conspiracy theory is very good at making the metaphoric into the concrete.

    — Jesse Walker
    — Historian

  41. avatar
    Slartibartfast September 13, 2013 at 8:31 pm #

    You’ll need to give two guesses now—not only has David “out of breath” Farrar gone and birfed his cargo cult law on the thread, but now Ed Noonan left a steaming pile of Vattelist caca there as well.

    Majority Will: And one guess as to which prolific birther bigot showed up to make an idiotic comment.

  42. avatar
    Slartibartfast September 13, 2013 at 9:25 pm #

    I think that the comments by Mr. Farrar and Mr. Noonan show the dangers of talking about conspiracy theories without being extremely familiar with the nuances. Mr. Walker didn’t mention the Vattelist birthers and so a couple of them immediately set up shop in that gap.

    Someone should stop over there with a broom and chase them out for Mr. Walker…

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Historian Jesse Walker discusses birtherism, trutherism, and AIDS conspiracies

    http://www.examiner.com/article/historian-jesse-walker-discusses-birtherism-trutherism-and-aids-conspiracies

  43. avatar
    Arthur September 13, 2013 at 10:31 pm #

    Speaking of birther comments, the guys over at ORYR think that we’re all a fluttter! Take for example, Falcon:

    “These O-Holes are real floundering and fuming that they can’t unhinge Arpaio and Zullo. And they can’t change anyone’s mind here with their non-stop lies.Typically when criminals know the end it near they squeal and scream the loudest. And if the last few weeks are any indication – we might expect indictments soon.

    “That post by Bob Powell regarding the generals threatening to arrest Obama like a true Crip really made them crap their pants.”

    Crap our pants? You mean with laughter?

  44. avatar
    G September 13, 2013 at 10:56 pm #

    So do I.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I really like the new quote of the day:

    …if people … are uncomfortable with the idea of America as a multicultural nation, to them, the President is metaphorically foreign for all sorts of reasons and a conspiracy theory is very good at making the metaphoric into the concrete.

    – Jesse Walker
    – Historian

  45. avatar
    Dave B. September 13, 2013 at 11:45 pm #

    Crazy Albert Moore featured at the Western Center for “Journalism”:
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-lost-citizenship-registering-selective-service/

  46. avatar
    G September 14, 2013 at 12:35 am #

    So is it true that Crazy Albert Moore is “Sven” and is an attorney?

    Dave B.:
    Crazy Albert Moore featured at the Western Center for “Journalism”:
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-lost-citizenship-registering-selective-service/

  47. avatar
    justlw September 14, 2013 at 1:46 am #

    Arthur:
    Speaking of birther comments, the guys over at ORYR think that we’re all a fluttter! Take for example, Falcon:

    “These O-Holes are real floundering and fuming that they can’t unhinge Arpaio and Zullo. And they can’t change anyone’s mind here with their non-stop lies.Typically when criminals know the end it near they squeal and scream the loudest. And if the last few weeks are any indication – we might expect indictments soon.

    “That post by Bob Powell regarding the generals threatening to arrest Obama like a true Crip really made them crap their pants.”

    Crap our pants? You mean with laughter?

    Well, there is a case to be made that Obots are totally panicking over the reality that after five years, Obama has not only not been frogmarched out of the White House, but has in fact been handily re-elected, while “birther” is considered by the world to be a label mainly connoting “one who should not be left in the vicinity of sharp instruments.”

    …sorry, that’s not really panicking, is it?

  48. avatar
    justlw September 14, 2013 at 1:47 am #

    Arthur (quoting FALCON): like a true Crip

    #itsnotaboutrace

  49. avatar
    misha marinsky September 14, 2013 at 2:10 am #

    This is Yom Kippur – the Day of Atonement.

    My dog is Jewish; I gave her a Bark Mitzvah. I tried to explain to her that she should atone for chasing the cat around the apartment, and that she should fast to show she was sorry and not do it again. So what did she do?

    She tore open the bag of food. Kids these days.

  50. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 14, 2013 at 8:50 am #

    Albert Moore is using text from Sven verbatum. The most direct conclusion is that it’s the same person.

    G: So is it true that Crazy Albert Moore is “Sven” and is an attorney?:

  51. avatar
    Whatever4 September 14, 2013 at 10:00 am #

    Dave B.:
    Crazy Albert Moore featured at the Western Center for “Journalism”:
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-lost-citizenship-registering-selective-service/

    What is epithelial evidence? Skin color?

    “Incidentally if epithelial evidence can ascertain that President Obama is not now, nor ever has been, an Afro-American, the blow done to the media, the Democrats, the Congressional Black Caucus, and the Black Grievance Industry (BGI) will be palpable, to say the least!”

  52. avatar
    Whatever4 September 14, 2013 at 10:12 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Historian Jesse Walker discusses birtherism, trutherism, and AIDS conspiracies

    http://www.examiner.com/article/historian-jesse-walker-discusses-birtherism-trutherism-and-aids-conspiracies

    The 2 allegiances at birth theory seems somewhat arbitrary. Obama isn’t a natural born citizen because his father was a British citizen? Well, what about countries that don’t allow dual citizenships? If his father was Indonesian, would he still have 2 allegiances? If his real father was secretly an American but his life was the same in every other way, would he be eligible? Seems kind of like the rules for cooties.

  53. avatar
    katahdin September 14, 2013 at 10:18 am #

    misha marinsky:
    This is Yom Kippur – the Day of Atonement.

    To be fair, greyhounds are bred to chase small animals. She’s just listening to her DNA.

    My dog is Jewish; I gave her a Bark Mitzvah. I tried to explain to her that she should atone for chasing the cat around the apartment, and that she should fast to show she was sorry and not do it again. So what did she do?

    She tore open the bag of food. Kids these days.

  54. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 14, 2013 at 10:29 pm #

    Sorry about the 404 – Page not found errors. Fixed.

    Sorry about the occasional slowdowns. Opened support ticket.

  55. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 14, 2013 at 10:45 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Sorry about the 404 – Page not found errors. Fixed.

    Sorry about the occasional slowdowns. Opened support ticket.

    Sorry that it probably waste a lot of your Saturday!

  56. avatar
    gorefan September 14, 2013 at 11:07 pm #

    Reminder for Monday September 16th:

    THE COURT OF SPECIAL APPEALS

    SEPTEMBER 03, 04, 05, 06, 09, 10, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, 2013

    MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 2013
    All cases submitted on brief

    Courtroom No. 1

    No. 01287/12 Tracy Fair et al. vs. Robert L. Walker et al.

    http://www.courts.state.md.us/cosappeals/pdfs/201309schedule.pdf

  57. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 15, 2013 at 12:23 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Sorry about the 404 – Page not found errors. Fixed.

    Sorry about the occasional slowdowns. Opened support ticket.

    No worries. I was too occupied to even notice. Steam sales are one hell of a drug.
    Now had this been a birther site, there would be allegations of obot tampering, government tampering, satan tampering, etc.

  58. avatar
    G September 15, 2013 at 1:17 am #

    Thanks for posting that. I’ve nearly forgotten that there are still a few of these other frivolous cases floating around. Get ready to chalk up yet another Birther failure.

    gorefan:
    Reminder for Monday September 16th:

    THE COURT OF SPECIAL APPEALS

    SEPTEMBER 03, 04, 05, 06, 09, 10, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, 2013

    MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 2013
    All cases submitted on brief

    Courtroom No. 1

    No. 01287/12 Tracy Fair et al. vs. Robert L. Walker et al.

    http://www.courts.state.md.us/cosappeals/pdfs/201309schedule.pdf

  59. avatar
    Lupin September 15, 2013 at 3:01 am #

    G: So is it true that Crazy Albert Moore is “Sven” and is an attorney?

    Sven is actual attorney???

    The mind boggles! What’s next? chimpanzees judges?

  60. avatar
    misha marinsky September 15, 2013 at 8:24 am #

    Lupin: What’s next? chimpanzees judges?

    You’re close: Birther On The Bench! Gary Kreep Takes California Judgeship

    Kreep came to national prominence on the back of late-night TV commercials questioning President Obama’s birthplace and has led numerous legal challenges to his eligibility for office.

    Kreep will serve a six-year term, earning $178,789 a year.

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/gary_kreep_birther_garland_peed_san_diego_court.php

  61. avatar
    donna September 15, 2013 at 11:40 am #

    the catholic church has been in the direction of progressives for a long time:

    Occupy Wall Street’s Most Unlikely Ally: The Pope

    “But when it comes to economic justice, Pope Benedict XVI is to the left of President Obama. Heck, he is even to the left of Nancy Pelosi.”

    http://www.npr.org/2011/10/26/141659992/occupy-wall-streets-most-unlikely-ally-the-pope

    those on the far right think the vatican/pope is all about contraception & abortion – as a (original) rhode islander, i know that little rhody has the largest percentage of catholics and also one of the highest percentage of abortions

    if the pope sat in a room with obama & santorum, there would be more agreement with obama

    if rafael “ted” cruz wants 100 more like jesse helms in congress, he will go the way of trent lott – he was introduced by the jesse helms wing of the far right right at heritage and was applauded by that wing – he also raises money from that wing – where were the republicans who oppose(d) that wing? where are the birthers?

    jonathan bernstein wrote: Official Permission: You May Think, Write, and Talk about Dem and GOP WH 2016 Without Guilt

    http://plainblogaboutpolitics.blogspot.com/2013/08/official-permission-you-may-think-write.html

    PEASSSE let it be hillary v cruz in 2016 and pleassse let the “jesse helms” wing of the right make rafael “ted” cruz the 2016 candidate (BTW, biden is in iowa today)

  62. avatar
    donna September 15, 2013 at 12:22 pm #

    Doc: Oops:

    i look at boehner’s background where “[h]e grew up in modest circumstances, having shared one bathroom with his eleven siblings in a two-bedroom house in Cincinnati.”

    modest?

    “All but two of his siblings still live within a few miles of each other; two are unemployed and most of the others have blue-collar jobs.”

    and YET boehner supports none of the policies to assist his siblings and constituents:

    Poverty in John Boehner’s District

    http://www.thenation.com/blog/159861/poverty-john-boehners-district#
    Poverty in John Boehner’s District

  63. avatar
    misha marinsky September 15, 2013 at 3:49 pm #

    donna: if the pope sat in a room with obama & santorum, there would be more agreement with obama

    Exactly. The pope is a Jesuit. At one time the Vatican’s Secretary of State was an American Jesuit.

    donna: those on the far right think the vatican/pope is all about contraception & abortion

    I learned more about sex at my Jesuit college, than anywhere else.

  64. avatar
    Keith September 15, 2013 at 11:17 pm #

    Just curious…

    Why are all the tweets from BirtherWatch accompanied by a photo of the worst lawyer in the known universe?

    Is that a something she owns and does to satisfy some public service requirement?

  65. avatar
    Arthur September 16, 2013 at 12:46 am #

    Our favorite birther police chief is running for sheriff!

    Anti-‘Libtard’ Police Chief Mark Kessler Launches Write-In Campaign For Sheriff
    The Pennsylvania police chief who recorded viral YouTube videos in which he fires guns and refers to Democrats as “libtards” has declared himself a write-in candidate for the Schuylkill County sheriff’s office, the Pottsville Republican-Herald reported Friday.

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/police-chief-mark-kessler-launches-write-in-campaign?ref=fpb

  66. avatar
    misha marinsky September 16, 2013 at 12:52 am #

    Arthur: Anti-‘Libtard’ Police Chief Mark Kessler Launches Write-In Campaign For Sheriff

    Kessler lives in Pennsyltucky. SOP

    The only good thing about where he lives is that Angel came from a shelter in Hazelton.

  67. avatar
    The Magic M September 16, 2013 at 4:16 am #

    Keith: Why are all the tweets from BirtherWatch accompanied by a photo of the worst lawyer in the known universe?

    He occasionally changes his Twitter avatar.

    Keith: Is that a something she owns and does to satisfy some public service requirement?

    “Birther Watch” is as anti-birther as most of us. Most birthers don’t get that, either. 😉

  68. avatar
    Greenfinches September 16, 2013 at 9:11 am #

    Hey a new cause for birthers…. I see that some object to the new Miss America as not being truly American. I think they mean that she isn’t white enough.

    Me I object to beauty pageants in principle. If the lady is Indian by ethnicity, as 2013’s seems to be, all well and good, and the press pictures show her beautiful indeed in a beauty-queen type way. Do I care where she was born,or where her parents were? Not in the slightest. Let’s hear it now, for her LFBC…………..

  69. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 16, 2013 at 9:22 am #

    Arthur:
    Our favorite birther police chief is running for sheriff!

    Anti-‘Libtard’ Police Chief Mark Kessler Launches Write-In Campaign For Sheriff
    The Pennsylvania police chief who recorded viral YouTube videos in which he fires guns and refers to Democrats as “libtards” has declared himself a write-in candidate for the Schuylkill County sheriff’s office, the Pottsville Republican-Herald reported Friday.

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/police-chief-mark-kessler-launches-write-in-campaign?ref=fpb

    I get the feeling that people would rather vote for a write-in candidate named “Turd Ferguson” than Mark Kessler.

  70. avatar
    Arthur September 16, 2013 at 10:00 am #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: I get the feeling that people would rather vote for a write-in candidate named “Turd Ferguson” than Mark Kessler.

    Well, sure. Who wouldn’t want Burt Reynolds for sheriff? Everyone but Corporal Schicklgruber.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PguOtUFo1oE

  71. avatar
    Bovril September 16, 2013 at 10:08 am #

    Doc,

    Possible one to add to the Bad/Ugly list

    “Dan from Squirrel Hill”, well he has the squirelly part right, is the busy little lad who produces the ever increasing list of devlisih things the Ebil Usurperator does. 284 at last count…. 😎

    His “list” turns up on a LOT of Birfer friendly sites as well as “I told you LIBTARDS” type of posts

    http://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/09/16/obama-284

    Basically a whole litany of whines, lies, mangled logic, failure to parse plain english, inability to seperate reality from fantasy and outright BS and Butterdezillion levels of nonsense arond how the real world works.

    Normally I would just laugh and ignore but it gets a lot of RWNJ pimping

  72. avatar
    Arthur September 16, 2013 at 4:18 pm #

    So I was searching for dentist porn on YouTube and found this: Taitz TV.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjncHwH8VCA&feature=player_embedded#t=95

    Now my wiener won’t work.

    Sincerely,

    Carlos Danger

  73. avatar
    Crustacean September 16, 2013 at 5:17 pm #

    Arthur: So I was searching for dentist porn on YouTube and found this: Taitz TV.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjncHwH8VCA&feature=player_embedded#t=95
    Now my wiener won’t work.
    Sincerely,
    Carlos Danger

    I’m not even going to ask why you were looking for dentist porn, Arthur. 😀

    But I recommend you do John Oliver’s “Carlos Danger” dance for a few minutes. It might help your wiener work again.

    Not sure what it’ll take to get Weiner to work again. I just pray that whatever he ends up doing has nothing to do with the pubic sector.

  74. avatar
    Arthur September 16, 2013 at 5:35 pm #

    Crustacean: I’m not even going to ask why you were looking for dentist porn, Arthur. 😀

    It wasn’t me, I tells ya, it was Carlos Danger.

  75. avatar
    Arthur September 16, 2013 at 5:42 pm #

    Greenfinches: Hey a new cause for birthers…. I see that some object to the new Miss America as not being truly American. I think they mean that she isn’t white enough.

    Here’s an article about conservative reaction to the crowning of Miss New York, Nina Davuluri, as Miss America.

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/fox-radio-new-miss-america-doesnt-rep

    She was born in the U.S. and traces her descent to India; however, rednecks are calling her an Arab and a Muslim.

  76. avatar
    Rickey September 16, 2013 at 7:37 pm #

    In other news, the Social Security Administration has responded to Orly’s Motion for Summary Judgment in Taitz v. Colvin. The SSA response boils down to these points:

    1. The SSA has no record of Harry Bounel aka Harrison Bounel.

    2. Information about the SSN which Orly believes was issued to Bounel cannot be released because it was assigned to an individual who is still living.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/168716980/USDC-MD-2013-09-16-Taitz-v-Colvin-Formerly-Astrue-Defendant-Response-to-Plaintiff-Opposition-to-MtD-and-MfSJ-in-Favor-of-Plaintiff

    Elsewhere, at ORYR Susan Daniels claims that she told both Orly and Al Hendershot that the SSN in question was never assigned to Bounel.

  77. avatar
    Arthur September 16, 2013 at 7:45 pm #

    Rickey: 2. Information about the SSN which Orly believes was issued to Bounel cannot be released because it was assigned to an individual who is still living.

    And the birthers are saying that this “admission” is proof that Obama is using a stolen SSN.

  78. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 16, 2013 at 8:05 pm #

    Arthur: Here’s an article about conservative reaction to the crowning of Miss New York, Nina Davuluri, as Miss America.

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/fox-radio-new-miss-america-doesnt-rep

    She was bornin the U.S. and traces her descent to India; however,rednecks are calling her an Arab and a Muslim.

    Disgusting stuff. Sometimes I wonder about this freedom of speech stuff.

  79. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 16, 2013 at 8:07 pm #

    Rickey: Elsewhere, at ORYR Susan Daniels claims that she told both Orly and Al Hendershot that the SSN in question was never assigned to Bounel.

    And, this just in at ORYR:

    Nate Spencer 11 minutes ago
    Opinions Please! Falcon, Julio et al ! Why did Reality Check flee the country? What about Kevin Dividson did he bug out also? What the hell is going on? Thanks for any info.

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/09/ouch-impostor-president-gets-caught.html#sthash.jlBL1QGD.dpuf

    If I could post there I would give them a link to Doc in Russia. That would get them going.

    Get your hip waders out if you’re gonna visit ORYR because the crazy is really deep over there today.

  80. avatar
    Rickey September 16, 2013 at 8:46 pm #

    CarlOrcas:

    If I could post there I would give them a link to Doc in Russia. That would get them going.

    We should tell them that all of us have fled to Belize.

  81. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 16, 2013 at 8:54 pm #

    I am emphatically NOT in Russia.

    CarlOrcas: If I could post there I would give them a link to Doc in Russia. That would get them going.

  82. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 16, 2013 at 9:00 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I am emphatically NOT in Russia.

    Bad mistake. In Birtherworld if you deny something that means it must be true.

  83. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 16, 2013 at 9:03 pm #

    Some images appeared on Facebook of a guy who looks remarkably like me in Belize.

    Rickey: We should tell them that all of us have fled to Belize.

  84. avatar
    Dave September 16, 2013 at 9:03 pm #

    There’s a thing I’d like to figure out about the response the SSA made to Taitz today. It refers to a Oct 15 2012 FOIA request, which was not requested by Taitz (was this Hendershot?) in which the request had only a name, gender, and SSN. And they say: “However, because the October 15, 2012 FOIA request only provided Mr. Bounel’s name and an SSN,any information provided to the requester about SSA’s search would result in validation of the SSN.”

    I don’t get this. It seems one could say “We found no record with that name and that SSN.” Such a statement would not validate the SSN.

    SSA refers to a couple zibits which probably explain this, but Taitz didn’t post them. Can anyone figure this out?

  85. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 16, 2013 at 9:03 pm #

    Rickey: We should tell them that all of us have fled to Belize.

    All we need is internet access!!

  86. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 16, 2013 at 9:10 pm #

    It provides information about the SSN. It’s what I said at the start–by including Obama’s SSN they poisoned the well. If they had only identified Bounel, and the 1890 birth date they would have had no problems.

    Dave: I don’t get this. It seems one could say “We found no record with that name and that SSN.” Such a statement would not validate the SSN.

  87. avatar
    Dave September 16, 2013 at 9:17 pm #

    I certainly agree that a better FOIA request would have been Bounel’s name and birth year. In fact, has anyone checked the Social Security Death Index? That used to be searchable on the web, but I think it’s still available behind a paywall at ancestry.com.

  88. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater September 16, 2013 at 9:34 pm #

    CarlOrcas: And, this just in at ORYR:

    Nate Spencer 11 minutes ago
    Opinions Please! Falcon, Julio et al ! Why did Reality Check flee the country? What about Kevin Dividson did he bug out also? What the hell is going on? Thanks for any info.

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/09/ouch-impostor-president-gets-caught.html#sthash.jlBL1QGD.dpuf

    If I could post there I would give them a link to Doc in Russia. That would get them going.

    Get your hip waders out if you’re gonna visit ORYR because the crazy is really deep over there today.

    Post the picture of Foggy with his famous red hat and say he fled to russia

  89. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 16, 2013 at 9:45 pm #

    Dave: I certainly agree that a better FOIA request would have been Bounel’s name and birth year. In fact, has anyone checked the Social Security Death Index?

    I just checked and got nothing back for Harrison Bounel or Harry J. Bounel; no record in the death index since 1937.

  90. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 16, 2013 at 9:48 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    It provides information about the SSN. It’s what I said at the start–by including Obama’s SSN they poisoned the well. If they had only identified Bounel, and the 1890 birth date they would have had no problems.

    I just checked with a birth date range of 1889 and 1891 for all three options: Harrison, Harry J and just the last name of Bounel. No returns.

  91. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 16, 2013 at 9:50 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Post the picture of Foggy with his famous red hat and say he fled to russia

    Shh!!

  92. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 16, 2013 at 9:54 pm #

    It’s been checked to no avail. However, the SSDI is not complete.

    Dave: In fact, has anyone checked the Social Security Death Index?

  93. avatar
    Rickey September 16, 2013 at 10:14 pm #

    Dave:
    There’s a thing I’d like to figure out about the response the SSA made to Taitz today. It refers to a Oct 15 2012 FOIA request, which was not requested by Taitz (was this Hendershot?) in which the request had only a name, gender, and SSN. And they say: “However, because the October 15, 2012 FOIA request only provided Mr. Bounel’s name and an SSN,any information provided to the requester about SSA’s search would result in validation of the SSN.”

    I don’t get this. It seems one could say “We found no record with that name and that SSN.” Such a statement would not validate the SSN.

    SSA refers to a couple zibits which probably explain this, but Taitz didn’t post them. Can anyone figure this out?

    I have not seen the October 2012 FOIA request, but apparently it was filed by someone named Leslie Bishop, who somehow is connected to Al Hendershot. The wording of the SSA reponse suggests that Bishop requested a Numident Letter for Obama’s SSN. “The Numident letter is a computer printout of information that is taken from the original application for a Social Security card. It is an electronic record of the information that is on an individual’s original application for an SSN and any other successive applications for replacement cards.”

    SSA could not release a Numident Letter for Obama’s SSN because he is alive.

  94. avatar
    John Reilly September 17, 2013 at 4:01 am #

    Rickey: I have not seen the October 2012 FOIA request, but apparently it was filed by someone named Leslie Bishop, who somehow is connected to Al Hendershot. The wording of the SSA reponse suggests that Bishop requested a Numident Letter for Obama’s SSN. “The Numident letter is a computer printout of information that is taken from the original application for a Social Security card. It is an electronic record of the information that is on an individual’s original application for an SSN and any other successive applications for replacement cards.”

    SSA could not release a Numident Letter for Obama’s SSN because he is alive.

    Rickey: I don’t think that is quite accurate. SSA could not release a Numident Letter for the SSN because the user of that number is alive. SSA has not confirmed that the user is Pres. Obama. Rational folks here so believe, but SAA has not confirmed that.

  95. avatar
    gorefan September 17, 2013 at 12:08 pm #

    This one slipped under the radar:

    https://www.vermontjudiciary.org/UPEO2011Present/eo13-162.pdf

    “Plaintiff is correct that the two prior decisions on which the trial court relied, Judd v. State, No. 2011-350, 2012 WL 1305003 (Vt. Mar. 15, 2012) (unpub. mem.) and In re Judd, No. 2011-108, 2011 WL 4976600 (Vt. July 7, 2011) (unpub. mem.), both involved a claim that plaintiff had been improperly prevented from voting and running for President because of his status as a convicted felon, a different issue from the one asserted in this case. We take judicial notice, however, that plaintiff has unsuccessfully raised the identical claim concerning President Obama in numerous other jurisdictions. See, e.g., Grinols v. Electoral College, No. 2:12-cv-02997-MCE-DAD, 2013 WL 2294885 (E.D. Cal. Jan. 30, 2013); Judd v. Sec’y of W.Va., No.2:11-cv-00369, 2013 WL 368375 (S.D.W.Va. May 23, 2013); Judd v. Browning, 104 So. 3d 1085 (Fla. 2012); Judd v. State Bd. of Elections of N.C., 731 S.E.2d 430 (N.C. 2012). Plaintiff’s claim is therefore res judicata, and was properly dismissed.

  96. avatar
    Crustacean September 17, 2013 at 2:41 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Some images appeared on Facebook of a guy who looks remarkably like me in Belize.

    Rickey: We should tell them that all of us have fled to Belize.

    Yes, let’s all make like John McAfee and high-tail it to Ambergris Caye!! LOL

    Only, don’t, unless you want to spend your time hanging around with a bunch of Texans (not that there’s anything wrong with that!). Having spent a couple years living in Belize back in the late 80’s, I do recommend it, but IMHO it’s better as an adventure destination. Instead of sipping fancy rum drinks on Ambergris, check out the inland. If you’re a birder, you’ll love the bird sanctuary; the lagoons and creeks there are just teeming with flocks of exotic birds that congregate during the dry season, as well as howler monkeys, crocs, and jaguars. For the Indiana Jones wannabe, there are virtually untouched (read: unlooted) Maya sites to explore – at least there were when I was there. You can still have your rum drink, but it’ll likely be served in a green coconut, cut open with a machete, with the rum poured right into the coconut water. No little umbrella necessary.

    Unfortunately, I think they do have internet access there now. 🙁

  97. avatar
    Keith September 17, 2013 at 4:47 pm #

    Crustacean: Unfortunately, I think they do have internet access there now.

    Vietnam: $5 USD for a dataonly simcard and one month unlimited download. Works everywhere in the country. Never found a place where it didn’t work. Every cafe, every hotel, every shopping centre has free WiFi anyway.

    Cambodia: didn’t price simcards, but they are for sale on every street corner. Hotels, cafe’s and intercity buses have free wifi. The bus did lose contact halfway between Phnom Phen and Siem Reap, but the movie was Iron Man so nobody cared.

  98. avatar
    Crustacean September 17, 2013 at 5:10 pm #

    Nobody cared about Iron Man? Inconceivable!! (I keep using that word). I have a soft spot for exoskeletal superheroes. And Scarlett Johansson…

    Keith: but the movie was Iron Man so nobody cared

  99. avatar
    gorefan September 17, 2013 at 5:36 pm #

    Over at ORYR they’ve posted an article from the P&E with a video from July, 2013 and saying it was an interview from Monday.

    “(Sep. 17, 2013) — In an interview on Monday with Infowars’ GiGi Emeta, Maricopa County, AZ Cold Case Posse lead investigator Michael Zullo stated that a well-placed individual “in a position to know” told him that “there never was a birth in Hawaii” in regard to Barack Hussein Obama (9:44 in the video).

    – See more at: http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/09/video-sheriff-joes-obama-investigator.html#sthash.yvREt1da.dpuf

    I guess they’ve run out of VIPs and members of Congress to talk about.

    Here is the video from July

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px9XtjUAIzs

  100. avatar
    Keith September 17, 2013 at 5:54 pm #

    Crustacean:
    Nobody cared about Iron Man?Inconceivable!! (I keep using that word).I have a soft spot for exoskeletal superheroes.And Scarlett Johansson…

    no, no, you got it wrong.

    Nobody cared that the internet was down because we could watch Iron Man.

  101. avatar
    Dave B. September 17, 2013 at 6:15 pm #

    Linda Joy Adams?

    gorefan:

    “(Sep. 17, 2013) — In an interview on Monday with Infowars’ GiGi Emeta, Maricopa County, AZ Cold Case Posse lead investigator Michael Zullo stated that a well-placed individual “in a position to know” told him that “there never was a birth in Hawaii” in regard to Barack Hussein Obama (9:44 in the video).

  102. avatar
    donna September 17, 2013 at 6:21 pm #

    Conservative Attorney Larry Klayman Calls For Coup Against Obama

    how many MORE efforts will he LOSE?

    As conservative attorney and outspoken birther Larry Klayman sees it, the only recourse is for “people of faith and all true patriots” to take matters into their own hands and “cleanse the nation of the half-Muslim, anti-white, socialist fraud in the White House before the nation goes under for the final count.”

    A piece by Klayman published Monday in Renew America serves as a gold mine of conservative fringe fantasies.

    Klayman was relentless in going after former President Bill Clinton in the 1990s, filing at least 18 lawsuits against the administration. In Tuesday’s piece, Klayman decried Republicans for failing to impeach and convict Clinton.

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/conservative-attorney-calls-for-coup-against-obama?ref=fpb

    Obama, come out with your hands up!
    By Larry Klayman

    it ends with “I do not advocate violence, but it is time we show Obama that we mean business. He would be well advised to ride off into his Islamic sunset, link up with 72 virgins and party on at his expense – not ours!”

    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/klayman/130916

  103. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 17, 2013 at 6:26 pm #

    Awfully loud for a child molester, that one.

  104. avatar
    gorefan September 17, 2013 at 6:38 pm #

    Dave B.: Linda Joy Adams?

    Nancy Owens?

  105. avatar
    donna September 17, 2013 at 6:38 pm #

    Andrew Vrba: Awfully loud for a child molester, that one.

    AND a person who sued his own mother and took her to court

  106. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater September 17, 2013 at 8:15 pm #

    Dave B.:
    Linda Joy Adams?

    I’m thinking they’re going to trot out tim adams again. The clown car posse operates on a delay

  107. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 17, 2013 at 8:23 pm #

    Goodness they are getting desperate, aren’t they? http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/09/lol-rearranging-letters-in-president.html#idc-container

  108. avatar
    misha marinsky September 17, 2013 at 8:48 pm #

    Dave B.: Linda Joy Adams?

    gorefan: Nancy Owens?

    Betty Jo Bialorski

  109. avatar
    justlw September 17, 2013 at 8:51 pm #

    Dave: In fact, has anyone checked the Social Security Death Index? That used to be searchable on the web, but I think it’s still available behind a paywall at ancestry.com.

    And here I am, with a paid-up membership… searching the Death Index specifically:

    Your Search for Harry [I tried both that and Harrison] Bounel returned zero good matches

    Why?

    Although there may be many good matches for your ancestor in our content, we can’t return good matches without more information.

    What should you do?

    * Add details about your ancestor – even an educated guess can increase your chances of getting a high-quality match.

    So, I added a certain well-known SSN beginning with “042” and… nothing there, either.

    If you can imagine.

  110. avatar
    gorefan September 17, 2013 at 11:04 pm #

    Dave: That used to be searchable on the web, but I think it’s still available behind a paywall at ancestry.com.

    There are still free sites.

  111. avatar
    gorefan September 17, 2013 at 11:06 pm #

    misha marinsky:
    Betty Jo Bialorski

    Most just knew her as Nancy

  112. avatar
    misha marinsky September 18, 2013 at 11:04 am #

    The NYT has an excellent article on the 14th Amendment:

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/17/the-father-of-the-14th-amendment/

  113. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 18, 2013 at 1:58 pm #

    Should Constitution be amended?

    http://cjonline.com/opinion/2013-09-15/bob-beatty-time-amend-constitution

  114. avatar
    CarlOrcas September 18, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Should Constitution be amended?

    http://cjonline.com/opinion/2013-09-15/bob-beatty-time-amend-constitution

    Probably. The minimum residence requirement is a good idea, I think, but citizenship is the issue and that can be acquired several ways.

    Now….what are the chances of such an amendment making its way through the whole process? Pretty slim, I suspect.

  115. avatar
    Benji Franklin September 18, 2013 at 2:48 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: I’m thinking they’re going to trot out tim adams again. The clown car posse operates on a delay

    Yeah, and we already know there need be no connection between what facts he will avow and either reality, or in some cases, possibility!

    Timmy Adams 2013: “Hello members of the press. As a possible future Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, I try to stay in touch with every elected official and every government employee in this great country of ours, and I can tell you that EVERYONE knew since 1991 that Obama would be, was, and is an usurper.

    In fact, from my own personal ignorance of things legal, I believe he was possibly a triple usurper, squared.”

  116. avatar
    Jim September 18, 2013 at 4:27 pm #

    “Obama’s fake birth certificate

    Government professor Cindy Castañeda’s take: “This theory was given some steam by President Obama’s reluctance to release his long-form birth certificate. But even when he did release it, the ‘birthers’ refused to believe it. Which just goes to show, that even in the face of evidence, ignorance can prevail.””

    http://www.eastfieldnews.com/american-myths-debunked-1.3063002#.UjoLhX95Hlc

    And NOBODY knows ignorance better than the birthers. 😆

  117. avatar
    Jim September 18, 2013 at 5:46 pm #

    Just an FYI for those who might be curious.

    “Lisa Aubuchon, the ethics-bending ex-prosecutor who filed bogus criminal charges against a judge, has lost her appeal with the state Supreme Court to get her law license back.”

    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2013/09/ex-prosecutor_lisa_aubuchon_ca.php

  118. avatar
    Rickey September 18, 2013 at 6:03 pm #

    John Reilly: Rickey:I don’t think that is quite accurate.SSA could not release a Numident Letter for the SSN because the user of that number is alive.SSA has not confirmed that the user is Pres. Obama.Rational folks here so believe, but SAA has not confirmed that.

    Fair enough. I’m operating on the assumption that the SSN which Orly and her minions spread across the Internet is the one which Obama was assigned. Regardless, it was assigned to someone who is alive and the SSA cannot release any information about it.

    You may recall that Orly argued (unsuccessfully, of course) that the Social Security information is fair game because Obama released his tax return without fully redacting his SSN. By that standard, we should be entitled to see Orly’s bank records because she has published her bank account number.

  119. avatar
    Rickey September 18, 2013 at 6:09 pm #

    Dave:
    I certainly agree that a better FOIA request would have been Bounel’s name and birth year. In fact, has anyone checked the Social Security Death Index? That used to be searchable on the web, but I think it’s still available behind a paywall at ancestry.com.

    You can search for free at genealogybank.com, but it will not give you a decedent’s SSN.

  120. avatar
    donna September 18, 2013 at 9:20 pm #

    world nut daily has an “impeachment store”

    http://superstore.wnd.com/sales/Impeachment-Store

    GREAT!!!! i now have a place for my “secret santa” @ $10 (NOT)

  121. avatar
    Rickey September 18, 2013 at 9:51 pm #

    Kathryn Ruemmler, who was the named defendant in one of Orly’s many failed lawsuits, is leaving her job as White House Counsel at the end of the year. I wonder how long it will take Orly to put a sinister spin on it.

    http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2013/09/white-house-counsel-kathryn-ruemmler-to-leave-post.html?kw=White%20House%20Counsel%20Kathryn%20Ruemmler%20to%20Leave%20Post&cn=20130918&pt=Legal%20Times%20Afternoon%20Update&src=EMC-Email&et=editorial&bu=National%20Law%20Journal

  122. avatar
    The Magic M September 19, 2013 at 4:04 am #

    My bet: at most 1 day. After all, she will claim in 2017 that Obama is only leaving office (instead of, y’know, declaring Martial Law or running for a third term) because he’s afraid Orly’s gonna get him any day now.

  123. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 19, 2013 at 11:50 am #

    Just when I thought birthers couldn’t be any more vile, and repugnant, I see the following headline at birther report:

    “Funny Stuff: CNN Via Mark Levin; DC Navy Yard Shooter Was An Obama Supporter”

    Its one of those rare instances where I read something that actually instilled a gagging reflex! Oh yeah, REALLY funny. 13 people are dead. *eye roll*

    First amendment be damned! Some people need their fingers broken, and their faces smashed in with the keyboard they type that filth with.

  124. avatar
    Majority Will September 19, 2013 at 1:12 pm #

    The Ten Commandments of Rational Debate

    1. Thou shall not attack a person’s character but the argument itself. (“Ad hominem”)

    2. Thou shall not misrepresent or exaggerate a person’s argument in order to make it easier to attack. (“Straw Man Fallacy)

    3. Thou shall not use small numbers to represent the whole. (“Hasty Generalization”)

    4. Thou shall not argue thy position by assuming one of its premises is true. (“Begging the Question”)

    5. Thou shall not claim that because something occurred before, it must be the cause. (“Post Hoc/False Claim”)

    6. Thou shall not reduce the argument down to two possibilities. (“Fake Dichotomy”)

    7. Thou shall not argue that because of our ignorance that the claim must be true or false. (“Ad Ignorantiam”)

    8. Thou shall not lay the burden of proof onto him who is questioning the claim. (“Burden of Proof Reversal”)

    9. Thou shall not assume “this” follows “that” when “it” has no logical connection. (“Non Sequitor”)

    10. Thou shall not claim that because a premises is popular, therefore, it must be true. (“Bandwagon Fallacy”)

  125. avatar
    JoZeppy September 19, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

    Rickey: Kathryn Ruemmler, who was the named defendant in one of Orly’s many failed lawsuits, is leaving her job as White House Counsel at the end of the year. I wonder how long it will take Orly to put a sinister spin on it.http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2013/09/white-house-counsel-kathryn-ruemmler-to-leave-post.html?kw=White%20House%20Counsel%20Kathryn%20Ruemmler%20to%20Leave%20Post&cn=20130918&pt=Legal%20Times%20Afternoon%20Update&src=EMC-Email&et=editorial&bu=National%20Law%20Journal

    She’s noted it, anthough without any real spin yet.

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=434228

  126. avatar
    The Magic M September 20, 2013 at 6:29 am #

    JoZeppy: She’s noted it, anthough without any real spin yet.

    Even if Orly does, ORYR and the P&E never fail to deliver:
    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.de/2013/09/report-obama-id-fraud-defendant-white.html

  127. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 20, 2013 at 11:57 am #

    And they’re out of material yet again.
    They’ve resorted to reposting Taitz’s poopies.

  128. avatar
    The European September 20, 2013 at 12:34 pm #

    I guess not many here follow that site, so here a link to the child molester KKKlayman newest success:

    http://obamaballotchallenge.com/obama-convicted-by-citizens-court-for-fraud-now-whos-gonna-arrest-him

  129. avatar
    The European September 20, 2013 at 12:38 pm #

    Majority Will:
    The Ten Commandments of Rational Debate

    1.Thou shall not attack a person’s character but the argument itself.(“Ad hominem”)

    …………………………

    Not easy when you happen to discuss KKKlansman alias “Klayman, the child molester”.

  130. avatar
    Crustacean September 20, 2013 at 1:00 pm #

    Wow, Klayman the Child Molester really nailed Obama with that Citizens’ Grand Jury verdict, didn’t he! I’m sure the President is in panic mode, now that the cat is out of the bag about how he “made a false statements” (sic) about his being a “national born citizen” (sic)

    The European:
    I guess not many here follow that site, so here a link to the child molester KKKlayman newest success:

    http://obamaballotchallenge.com/obama-convicted-by-citizens-court-for-fraud-now-whos-gonna-arrest-him

  131. avatar
    RanTalbott September 20, 2013 at 1:20 pm #

    We should convene a Citizens’ Grand Court of Appeals, and overturn all their verdicts.

    Then we can create a Citizens’ Grand Supreme Court, and refuse to grant cert on the grounds of “excessive spelling and grandma errors”.

    See? Problem solved. The non-system works.

  132. avatar
    The Magic M September 20, 2013 at 1:42 pm #

    Crustacean: how he “made a false statements” (sic) about his being a “national born citizen” (sic)

    Awesome verdict, allegedly by this lawyer, residing in a P.O. box, self-appointed judge, as it seems: http://www.martindale.com/Randal-C-Fritz/682089-lawyer.htm

    RanTalbott: We should convene a Citizens’ Grand Court of Appeals, and overturn all their verdicts.

    Then we can create a Citizens’ Grand Supreme Court, and refuse to grant cert on the grounds of “excessive spelling and grandma errors”.

    Post of the month! 🙂

  133. avatar
    donna September 20, 2013 at 8:57 pm #

    Watch: GOPer (Republican Rep. Blake Farenthold of Texas) can’t bring himself to say Obama was ‘legitimately’ elected

    do these people (from texas) have a brain?

    http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/09/20/watch-goper-cant-bring-himself-to-say-obama-was-legitimately-elected/

  134. avatar
    misha marinsky September 21, 2013 at 3:05 am #

    donna: do these people (from texas) have a brain?

    No

  135. avatar
    Dave B. September 21, 2013 at 4:28 pm #

    David Farrar tries to use another Latin phrase; fails spectacularly:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/DavidFarrar/blake-farenthold-obama_n_3967771_286395390.html

  136. avatar
    RanTalbott September 21, 2013 at 6:03 pm #

    Dave B.: fails spectacularly

    Or maybe he’s just saying he wants the stool and/or urine samples from the infant Obama’s lab tests to check them for DNA.

    After all, that’s what the real investigators do on CSI…

  137. avatar
    justlw September 21, 2013 at 6:27 pm #

    Dave B.:
    David Farrar tries to use another Latin phrase; fails spectacularly:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/DavidFarrar/blake-farenthold-obama_n_3967771_286395390.html

    I read that and I thought, “he wants a freaking stool sample?”

  138. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 21, 2013 at 7:27 pm #

    justlw: I read that and I thought, “he wants a freaking stool sample?”

    He IS a stool sample.

  139. avatar
    justlw September 21, 2013 at 8:14 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: He IS a stool sample.

    “Ex ile”

  140. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater September 21, 2013 at 8:24 pm #

    justlw: I read that and I thought, “he wants a freaking stool sample?”

    Farrar continues to be adorable: That’s because he’s pleni stercore

  141. avatar
    Slartibartfast September 21, 2013 at 8:41 pm #

    Actually, he’s trying to use his favorite Latin phrase in a different way and failing spectacularly again. It is, however, a nice example of fractal wrongness in the pursuit of cargo cult law, so it’s got that going for it…

    Just for funsies, I point out some of his errors…

    “The issue with Barack Obama’s two birth certificates is that neither provide any independent evidence to substantiate the place and time of birth indicated on either document.

    Something which is true of everyone’s birth certificate…

    Birth documents, even state certified birth documents, are simply prima facie evidence.

    Which means, if one understands the meaning of the term prima facie, that the information they contain is to be taken as true in the absence of credible evidence to the contrary (note to David: that does not include evidence that is of “little to no probative value“).

    Their evidentiary value is based on the number of other, independent, corroborative pieces evidence the document produces, i.e., the name of the hospital, the name of the delivery physician, the name of attending nurses, excreta, that can provide other, independent, substantiation of the certified information.*

    This would be the exact opposite of what prima facie means…

    In very rare cases,

    i.e. pretty much every case

    such documents for one reason or another may be totally devoid of any other, independent, substantiating information.

    Which is why it is important that, by law, those things are necessary for a birth certificate to be considered valid.

    Unfortunately, such is the case with Barack Obama.

    I think he meant “unsurprisingly”.

    In such cases, in order to “PROVE” the information contained in the state certified birth document is correct, the information from the natal hospital must also be provided.

    Actually, such records are sealed and it would take an order from a court (who was bound by the “Full Faith and Credit” clause to accept a certified copy of a birth certificate at face value) to get them. However, in President Obama’s case this isn’t a problem since Kapi’olani Hospital was kind enough to publish a letter from the president which refers to that hospital as his place of birth.

    Unfortunately, to date, such information has not been forthcoming from Mr. Obama, and, thus, his presidential qualifications have not been “Proven” to have been met**.

    There is sufficient evidence that every single court in the United States is Constitutionally obligated to accept the facts of President Obama’s birth as documented.

    ex animo

    Roughly translated, this means “out of breath”

    davidfarrar

    At least he managed to spell his name right.

    * Independent of HDOH records. Please note: the two newspaper birth announcements were taken directly from HDOH records and do not represent independent verification of HDOH issued birth certified.

    They do, however, constitute proof that the record was filed in August of 1961. Which, when combined with Hawai’i support for the record, makes any theories about Social Security number fraud, Selective Service registration fraud, or talk about travel on non-US passports patently ludicrous. Not to mention that the HDoH records are sufficient to prove the facts of President Obama’s birth to any relevant standard.

    **Barack Obama was not the only presidential candidate in the 2008 elections sued [falsely] in federal court over his natural born Citizenship credentials. He wasn’t even the first. Those dubious honors belong to John McCain.”

    Fixed it for you

    Dave B.:
    David Farrar tries to use another Latin phrase; fails spectacularly:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/DavidFarrar/blake-farenthold-obama_n_3967771_286395390.html

  142. avatar
    misha marinsky September 21, 2013 at 9:57 pm #

    Slartibartfast: Roughly translated, this means “out of breath”

    “Ex animo” means “from the heart.”

    I sign my responses “ex anum.”

  143. avatar
    misha marinsky September 21, 2013 at 10:08 pm #

    misha marinsky: I sign my responses “ex anum.”

    I sometimes sign off with “ex lax.”

  144. avatar
    RanTalbott September 21, 2013 at 10:10 pm #

    misha marinsky: I sign my responses “ex anum.”

    That really should be “ex culo”, to be, um, anal about it…

  145. avatar
    Arthur September 21, 2013 at 10:20 pm #

    misha marinsky: “Ex animo” means “from the heart.”

    The only Latin I’m familiar with is what I’ve picked up from singing in choirs, nevertheless, I’m pretty sure that the Latin word for “heart” is “cor,” and “ex animo” would be something like, “from the consciousness.”

  146. avatar
    misha marinsky September 21, 2013 at 10:20 pm #

    RanTalbott: That really should be “ex culo”, to be, um, anal about it…

    Oops…thank you.

    Come for the debunking, stay for the education.

  147. avatar
    misha marinsky September 21, 2013 at 10:37 pm #

    justlw: I read that and I thought, “he wants a freaking stool sample?”

    David Farrar est culus.

  148. avatar
    Dave September 21, 2013 at 10:38 pm #

    Apparently Larry Klayman has once again convened a Citizens’ Grand Jury, indicted Obama, noticed that nobody cares, and written a WND story about it. Here’s just how far down the pecking order this stupid story is: even Jim Hoft won’t touch it.

    He has a website: Citizens Grand Jury. It has a Paypal button. If you click the “About Larry Klayman” tab you learn many interesting things, like this: “Larry has been credited as being the inspiration for the Tea Party movement.”

    So Klayman is calling for a march on Washington. Yes, again. This time the date for millions to surround the White House is Nov. 19.

    Edit: Oops, I see the part about the fake grand juries has already been noted above.

  149. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 22, 2013 at 10:33 am #

    In Larry Klayman’s mind, a citizen’s grand jury actually means something, and voices in ones head can be jurors.

  150. avatar
    John Reilly September 22, 2013 at 10:45 am #

    The fundamental problem with Mr. Klayman’s formulation is that there is no requirement in the Constitution that a President prove his natural born status by getting a note from the hospital.

    Which is good for all of those Presidents, other than Carter, Clinton, and Bush II, who were not born in hospitals.

  151. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater September 22, 2013 at 1:15 pm #

    John Reilly:
    The fundamental problem with Mr. Klayman’s formulation is that there is no requirement in the Constitution that a President prove his natural born status by getting a note from the hospital.

    Which is good for all of those Presidents, other than Carter, Clinton, and Bush II, who were not born in hospitals.

    That’s because birthers are stupid. I’ve heard them claim every president showed his birth certificate despite birth certificates not becoming common practice in the US until around the 1900s

  152. avatar
    The European September 22, 2013 at 4:33 pm #

    A child molester, living in a post box at Western Union, loosing every suit, wants to unseat the POTUS ? A despicable person. And he needs money …..

  153. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 22, 2013 at 5:20 pm #

    The European:
    A child molester, living in a post box at Western Union, loosing every suit, wants to unseat the POTUS ? A despicable person. And he needs money …..

    I guess he figured that since he was able to slip through the cracks that makes him some kind of legal superman.

  154. avatar
    John Reilly September 22, 2013 at 5:50 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: That’s because birthers are stupid.I’ve heard them claim every president showed his birth certificate despite birth certificates not becoming common practice in the US until around the 1900s

    Or that Pres. Eisenhower did not have one until he was out of office.

  155. avatar
    Benji Franklin September 22, 2013 at 6:09 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: In Larry Klayman’s mind, a citizen’s grand jury actually means something, and voices in ones head can be jurors.

    Exquisitely said.

    May I add also, to Larry, being enlightened requires being out of one’s head. Or two.

  156. avatar
    Lani September 23, 2013 at 4:20 am #

    Misha, it was awhile ago, but IIRC you were treated rather poorly for bringing your service dog into an establishment. You were going to file an ADA complaint. Just wondering how matters are progressing. Not my business, so no need to answer, but I was appalled by the incident and hope it is being resolved.

  157. avatar
    The Magic M September 23, 2013 at 4:26 am #

    Arthur: I’m pretty sure that the Latin word for “heart” is “cor,” and “ex animo” would be something like, “from the consciousness.”

    “From the heart” would be “ex corde”. “Anima” means “breath”, but also “soul” (not to be confused with animum, also meaning “soul”, “life” etc.), so “ex anima” means “from the soul”. I initially thought this is some fixed expression from Catholic liturgy, but it doesn’t seem to be very common. Probably some pseudo-Catholic way of saying “from the bottom of my heart”, “with the deep conviction this is the truth” as opposed to “deliberate falsehoods meant to mislead people”.

  158. avatar
    misha marinsky September 23, 2013 at 7:36 am #

    Lani: Misha, it was awhile ago, but IIRC you were treated rather poorly for bringing your service dog into an establishment.

    http://cricketwirelesssucks.tumblr.com/

    More to follow.

  159. avatar
    Northland10 September 23, 2013 at 8:59 am #

    The Magic M: “From the heart” would be “ex corde”. “Anima” means “breath”, but also “soul” (not to be confused with animum, also meaning “soul”, “life” etc.), so “ex anima” means “from the soul”. I initially thought this is some fixed expression from Catholic liturgy, but it doesn’t seem to be very common. Probably some pseudo-Catholic way of saying “from the bottom of my heart”, “with the deep conviction this is the truth” as opposed to “deliberate falsehoods meant to mislead people”.

    In Biblical use, breath and soul have a similar meaning, in part due to Greek terms having a larger meaning than can be conveyed in English terms (I believe the appropriate Greek term here is psyche).

    In Latin use you may here anima in places such as:

    Magnificat anima mea Dominum

    “My soul doth magnify the Lord.”

  160. avatar
    Lupin September 23, 2013 at 9:18 am #

    Klayman is a truly despicable individual, smarmy and weaselly. He used to be a semi-regular guest on Bill Maher’s old POLITICALLY INCORRECT TV show during his anti-Clinton crusade, and he was worse than the other two anti-Clinton loons, Holy Floyd from the Pacific NW and Witchie Witch who ran for Congress.

    Klayman is the type of man for whom tar, feathers and rails were invented in the Old West. The type Frank Capra would cast as a villain because he obviously oozes evil. That anyone could for a second put his faith in that reptile is truly beyond my comprehension.

  161. avatar
    Keith September 23, 2013 at 9:32 am #

    Lupin: Klayman is the type of man for whom tar, feathers and rails were invented in the Old West.

    Not so on any account.

    Tar and feathering as a punishment seems to have been first recorded in the Navy regulations during the reign of Richard I (according to Mr. Wikipedia). It was first used in America 1766 in Norfolk, Virginia.

    Southerners took great delight in tar and feathering abolitionists before the Civil War.

    The ‘Old West’ as you put it was never so barbaric as that.

  162. avatar
    Lupin September 23, 2013 at 10:24 am #

    Keith: The ‘Old West’ as you put it was never so barbaric as that.

    Another Hollywood cliché bites the dust. 🙂

  163. avatar
    RanTalbott September 23, 2013 at 10:30 am #

    Or, thee’s “ex Anime”, meaning “from a cartoon universe”.

  164. avatar
    JD Reed September 23, 2013 at 10:30 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: That’s because birthers are stupid. I’ve heard them claim every president showed his birth certificate despite birth certificates not becoming common practice in the US until around the 1900s

    Bush I was not born in a hospital?

  165. avatar
    justlw September 23, 2013 at 11:31 am #

    JD Reed: Bush I was not born in a hospital?

    Yep. He was born at home, at 173 Adams Street in Milton, Massachusetts,

  166. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 23, 2013 at 4:25 pm #

    Birtherdom seems to be in rerun mode today, so I was reliving the fun of my youth by playing old Dos games.
    Commander Keen has held up surprisingly well.

  167. avatar
    G September 23, 2013 at 7:57 pm #

    As it is every day… 😉

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Birtherdom seems to be in rerun mode today…

  168. avatar
    donna September 23, 2013 at 9:15 pm #

    for those interested in a great story about rafael “ted” cruz ……….. Ted Cruz: The Distinguished Wacko Bird from Texas

    Read More http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/201310/ted-cruz-republican-senator-october-2013#ixzz2flhiju9t

    my FAVE quote: “As a law student at Harvard, he refused to study with anyone who hadn’t been an undergrad at Harvard, Princeton, or Yale. Says Damon Watson, one of Cruz’s law-school roommates: “He said he didn’t want anybody from ‘minor Ivies’ like Penn or Brown”

  169. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 23, 2013 at 9:31 pm #

    What I said about killing a little time to get lost in a game from my youth got me thinking about something.

    RWNJs are so riled up about everything and anything, that its no wonder they’re such miserable a-holes. They can’t enjoy anything. They’ve polarized everything into such an “us vs them” mentality that most of them won’t even touch an Oreo cookie. Their hatred for the other side is that deeply rooted.

  170. avatar
    donna September 23, 2013 at 9:57 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: RWNJs are so riled up about everything and anything, that its no wonder they’re such miserable a-holes. They can’t enjoy anything. They’ve polarized everything into such an “us vs them” mentality that most of them won’t even touch an Oreo cookie. Their hatred for the other side is that deeply rooted.

    remember that song from “south pacific”: You’ve Got To Be Carefully Taught

    http://www.lyricsfreak.com/s/south+pacific/youve+got+to+be+carefully+taught_20891285.html

  171. avatar
    misha marinsky September 23, 2013 at 10:09 pm #

    Sen. Ted Cruz speaks against Obamacare: http://tinyurl.com/kfmrlno

  172. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 23, 2013 at 11:55 pm #

    Well he does look a man who drinks plenty of the yellow stuff!

  173. avatar
    Crustacean September 24, 2013 at 11:56 am #

    “The answer is right under you.” 😀

    misha marinsky: Sen. Ted Cruz speaks against Obamacare

  174. avatar
    JPotter September 24, 2013 at 12:18 pm #

    “Successful revolution is Big Business—make no mistake about that. In a modern, complex, industrialized state, revolution is not accomplished by a handful of conspirators whispering around a guttering candle in a deserted ruin. It requires countless personnel, supplies, modern machinery, and modern weapons. And to handle these factors successfully there must be loyalty, secrecy, and superlative staff organization.”

    —Robert A. Heinlein, Revolt in 2100, 1939

  175. avatar
    Greenfinches September 24, 2013 at 2:28 pm #

    Keith: the Navy regulations during the reign of Richard I

    We had a navy then? I think not, all contracted out to the Venetians…..they did a good deal for us, getting the troops to the Crusades.

  176. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 24, 2013 at 4:17 pm #

    I must run down to Lenin’s tomb to see if he has turned over.

    JPotter: “Successful revolution is Big Business—make no mistake about that. In a modern, complex, industrialized state, revolution is not accomplished by a handful of conspirators whispering around a guttering candle in a deserted ruin. It requires countless personnel, supplies, modern machinery, and modern weapons. And to handle these factors successfully there must be loyalty, secrecy, and superlative staff organization.”