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  1. avatar
    Lupin February 9, 2014 at 3:15 am #

    Another example of breathtaking racism and lunatic behavior at a GOP town hall meeting:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/08/jim-bridenstine-town-hall_n_4752337.html

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    bovril February 9, 2014 at 3:54 am #

    If I recall correctly was a video that Birfoon Report pimped, as usual, as if the Congressman had said that Obama needed stringing up.

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    RanTalbott February 9, 2014 at 6:40 am #

    You do recall correctly: on youtube, the BR’s video is entitled “Rep. Bridenstine Townhall: Obama Should Be Executed; Impeach The SOB”. However, the top results from a youtube search for “Bridenstine Executed” (without the quotes) shows that much of the left-wing video reaction does the same thing. For different reasons, of course. But it’s a dishonest practice shared by both extremes: the closer you get to “the fringe”, the more people you see slathering sanitizer on the hands they’ve used to put words in other people’s mouths.

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    Bob February 9, 2014 at 8:47 am #

    From Orly’s site:

    ❝DVD of the historic trial in GA and DVD of a historic testimony in NH, where evidence was provided showing Obama using a forged birth certificate and a stolen social security number. The DVDs are in a beautiful commemorative case with personal autographs from attorney Dr. Orly Taitz $22.50 each +$2.50 for shipping and handling.❞

    Can’t remember but isn’t GA the hearing where the judge told Orly to take the video off of YouTube because she didn’t own it? And now she’s selling it?

    She does skirt the issue by saying

    ❝To order these DVDs, donate $25.00 by credit card on the website❞

    Perhaps the judge would like to know about this.

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    CarlOrcas February 9, 2014 at 12:35 pm #

    RanTalbott: But it’s a dishonest practice shared by both extremes: the closer you get to “the fringe”, the more people you see slathering sanitizer on the hands they’ve used to put words in other people’s mouths.

    I’ve always thought the political spectrum rather than being a straight line….with the extremes at each end is really a circle……with the extremes meeting at the bottom where they are virtually indistinguishable.

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    roxy7655 February 9, 2014 at 5:26 pm #

    bovril:
    If I recall correctly was a video that Birfoon Report pimped, as usual, as if the Congressman had said that Obama needed stringing up.

    Personally, I would denigrate such adumbrations.

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    RanTalbott February 10, 2014 at 4:46 am #

    Reach new levels of absurdity, Linda Jordan has gone beyond haruspicy, to divination by reading the numbers on the sacrificed chicken’s leg band:

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/02/new-analysis-site-safe-but-obama-birth.html

    And BR bills it as “News Analysis”…

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    RanTalbott February 10, 2014 at 4:51 am #

    Bob: Perhaps the judge would like to know about this.

    Oh, I’m sure she’ll explain it by saying she subpoenaed the video for one of her many lawsuits, so it’s now in the public domain because it’s “evidence”.

    She just forgot to tell the Court it had been served…

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 10, 2014 at 9:53 am #

    Off topic, but we talk about the poor showing from birthers at “events.” In Raleigh NC, between 80 and 100,000 people showed up in a progressive protest against state Republican legislators who have been raising taxes on the poor.

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/09/3268901/moral-monday-north-carolina-gop/

    and local news coverage:

    http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9424567

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 10, 2014 at 9:56 am #

    No, that was Indiana (Taitz v. Elections Commission). See:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/11/indiana-order-to-show-cause/

    Bob: Can’t remember but isn’t GA the hearing where the judge told Orly to take the video off of YouTube because she didn’t own it? And now she’s selling it?

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    aarrgghh February 10, 2014 at 10:10 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: between 80 and 100,000 people showed up

    that’s quite a ballpark. i presume they mean 80,000 to 100,000

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    CarlOrcas February 10, 2014 at 11:25 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Off topic, but we talk about the poor showing from birthers at “events.” In Raleigh NC, between 80 and 100,000 people showed up in a progressive protest against state Republican legislators who have been raising taxes on the poor.

    Real people have real concerns.

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 10, 2014 at 12:42 pm #

    The Debunker’s Guide has gotten a facelift and been promoted to its own position on the site top menu. I’ve also tinkered with the names of a couple of the menu items.

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    Reality Check February 10, 2014 at 1:42 pm #

    This was just posted at the Fogbow Forum:

    Posted by ArizonasPolitics.com » Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:38 pm
    TONIGHT, 7:30pm ET, Al Jazeera America is interviewing Sheriff Arpaio live, and are asking people to leave video questions, or to Tweet questions with the hashtag #AskArpaio. bit.ly/AZp740.

    Doc could you formulate a good question concerning the [lack of] financial records for the Case Posse?

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    CarlOrcas February 10, 2014 at 1:47 pm #

    Reality Check:
    This was just posted at the Fogbow Forum:

    Doc could you formulate a good question concerning the [lack of] financial records for the Case Posse?

    Also…..a question about paid deputies being assigned to the “investigation”. Is it true?

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    Jim February 10, 2014 at 1:59 pm #

    Reality Check:

    Doc could you formulate a good question concerning the [lack of] financial records for the Case Posse?

    http://stopthesethings.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/show-me-the-money01.gif?w=460&h=244

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    RanTalbott February 10, 2014 at 2:27 pm #

    Reality Check: Al Jazeera America is interviewing Sheriff Arpaio live

    Damn: I skimmed too quickly and, for a moment there, I was thinking it might be Al Jazeera Arabic, and they would give him a free “special flight” to, say, Egypt for the “interview”. :twisted:

    Is someone going to ask him whether he understands that his CCP are a bunch of clowns who make Inspector Clouseau look like Sherlock Holmes, and him like a fool for not shutting them down months ago? He’s got to be aware that what they call “evidence” isn’t, legally speaking. And that they’ve been caught just flat-out lying about the “race code” thing.

    Someone should also ask him about assigning the CCP to what they now admit is a lobbying campaign, which looks like a blatant violation of both their charter and their 501(c)3 status.

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    Jim February 11, 2014 at 10:24 am #

    Ken Burns has come out with a history app for the iPad…

    http://www.wired.com/underwire/2014/02/ken-burns-ipad-app/

    And even gives a shout-out to the birthers…

    “You can find, within the historical example, a guide to what is happening and what will happen,” Burns says. “And so by curating [these events], you’re liberating them from the chronology and saying, ‘How similar is the way Prohibition happened to the way the Tea Party and birthers are talking now?’”

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG February 11, 2014 at 11:08 am #

    I must say that the “Oh God! Zullo might not have been completely honest with us! Time to do damage control, or we’ll look even stupider!” panic that the birthers are in right now is entertaining. It seems the closer we get to March, the more we’re gonna hear the “universe shattering” evidence pushed farther and father back.

    An a non-birther note, I’ve been playing with that Lays “Do us a flavor” thing. My entries thus far are “Psychotic bees” and “A wrong that can never be undone”.

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    Nancy R Owens February 11, 2014 at 11:26 am #

    Congress has placed a foreign King on the American Throne. Does this render Congress obsolete?

    http://WWW.IFORGEDOBAMASBIRTHCERTIFICATES.COM

    [Moved to the Open Thread. Doc.]

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    CarlOrcas February 11, 2014 at 11:39 am #

    Nancy R Owens: Congress has placed a foreign King on the American Throne. Does this render Congress obsolete?

    We can only hope.

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    Ellen February 11, 2014 at 1:53 pm #

    Can anyone help me with this alleged Charles Pinckney quote:

    ““What better way to insure attachment to the country than to require the President to have his American citizenship through his American Father and not through a foreign father. Any child can be born anywhere in the country and be removed by their father to be raised in his native country. The risks would be for the child to return later in life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues.” – Charles Pinckney (Continental Congress (1777-78 and 1784-87) and S.C. state legislature (1779-80, 1786-89, and 1792-96) (signer of the Constitution of the United States)

    I remember reading somewhere that Pinckney never said it and that it was taken from a book about Pinckney—but I do not have the book or a link to it. Can anyone help??

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    Daniel February 11, 2014 at 2:09 pm #

    Looks like Nancy’s still off her meds

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    Rickey February 11, 2014 at 2:12 pm #

    Ellen:
    Can anyone help me with this alleged Charles Pinckney quote:

    ““What better way to insure attachment to the country than to require the President to have his American citizenship through his American Father and not through a foreign father. Any child can be born anywhere in the country and be removed by their father to be raised in his native country. The risks would be for the child to return later in life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues.” – Charles Pinckney (Continental Congress (1777-78 and 1784-87) and S.C. state legislature (1779-80, 1786-89, and 1792-96) (signer of the Constitution of the United States)

    I remember reading somewhere that Pinckney never said it and that it was taken from a book about Pinckney—but I do not have the book or a link to it. Can anyone help??

    The first clue is that when you Google the entire quote, the only results are on birther websites.

    When someone cites a dubious quotation, the best response is to demand that the person posting it provide a source.

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    ballantine February 11, 2014 at 2:14 pm #

    Ellen:
    Can anyone help me with this alleged Charles Pinckney quote:

    ““What better way to insure attachment to the country than to require the President to have his American citizenship through his American Father and not through a foreign father. Any child can be born anywhere in the country and be removed by their father to be raised in his native country. The risks would be for the child to return later in life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues.” – Charles Pinckney (Continental Congress (1777-78 and 1784-87) and S.C. state legislature (1779-80, 1786-89, and 1792-96) (signer of the Constitution of the United States)

    I remember reading somewhere that Pinckney never said it and that it was taken from a book about Pinckney—but I do not have the book or a link to it. Can anyone help??

    The quote comes from PJ Madison:

    http://www.federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined/

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    JPotter February 11, 2014 at 2:44 pm #

    Ellen: Can anyone help me with this alleged Charles Pinckney quote:

    Article from OCT re: Pinckney, which includes the Pinckney quote (with source) that birfers have distorted:

    Framer speaks on natural born citizenship
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/03/framer-speaks-on-natural-born-citizenship/

    The quote birfers cite is spurious. Search for Pinckney by name, and you get the usual results, historical biographies, Wiki page, etc.

    Search for his name and any part of the quote, and you get the same results, but none of them turn up the quote.

    Put any part of the quote in quotes, and you get an entirely different set of results, from a much smaller corner of the web. A bunch of wingnuts, presenting it in echo chambers w/o attribution. There’s a funny Freep thread in which someone trotted it out, and was immediately slapped down (“So what? Present some case law.”)

    This “quote” is tribal lore, sekrit gnawlige, i.e., the intellectual equivalent of “crap”.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater February 11, 2014 at 2:57 pm #

    ballantine: The risks would be for the child to return later in life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues

    Yep it looks like P.A. Madison said it in 2008. He quoted a part from Pickney then added his own thoughts not from Pickney. Nowhere in what he quoted on Pickney does it say anything about citizen parents. This was all P.A. Madison’s own thoughts. Birthers not being very smart read part of it saw Pickney’s name then repeated it everywhere they could.

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    Ellen February 11, 2014 at 3:17 pm #

    Many thanks re Pickney all of you. Particularly with the P.A. Madison reference and link.

    Cheers

    Ellen.

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    Rickey February 11, 2014 at 4:22 pm #

    After it was determined that “Harry Bounel” in the 1940 census actually was Harry Boymel, I ordered a copy of Boymel’s SS-5. Yesterday the SSA acknowledged receipt of my request and said that I should have a response within 30 days.

    His SS-5 could be of interest because I have seen SS-5s from that era which list not only the individual’s address, but also the employer’s name and address. Therefore, it may identify the fruit store where Harry worked.

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    Lupin February 12, 2014 at 5:18 am #

    ballantine: The quote comes from PJ Madison:

    http://www.federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined/

    In cases like this I think we should really weigh in the case of Madison who certainly knew what he was doing when he accepted the French citizenship offered to him, and felt it did not disqualify him in any way from running for President.

    I’m still waiting for a better precedent/case against.

  31. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 12, 2014 at 8:39 am #

    Another birther displaying his incompetence, this time in handwriting comparison.

    http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2014/02/07/fun-with-signatures/

  32. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 12, 2014 at 9:15 am #

    Breaking: Cold Case Posse founder caught driving over 100 MPH:

    http://arizonaspolitics.blogspot.com/2014/02/watch-arpaios-cold-case-posse-hitting.html

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    Rickey February 12, 2014 at 10:48 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Another birther displaying his incompetence, this time in handwriting comparison.

    http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2014/02/07/fun-with-signatures/

    Ironically, the birthers actually have someone who is qualified to do handwriting analysis – Reed Hayes. .

  34. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 12, 2014 at 12:16 pm #

    I can’t believe I publish so much stuff. Just when I think about cutting back, there’s a slew of things to talk about.

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    sfjeff February 12, 2014 at 1:44 pm #

    I am reading ‘The Monuments Men” right now, and when I was reading about Hitler’s final order to essentially destroy everything in Germany- factories, bridges- everything- to deny them to the Allies- I was reminded of Birthers.

    Seriously- they seem as unaware as Hitler that their obsession with denying Obama the Presidency is a call for destruction of the Constitution, that their call for a coupe against Obama is a call for civil war and destruction of the U.S.

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    BatGuano February 12, 2014 at 2:44 pm #

    from today’s comments at BR:

    “The Obots know something is breaking soon. In fact, one of the very major Obots has secretly left the country, without even telling the other Obots. This person continues to operate a disinformation site, and to post disruptive comments elsewhere, but he does this from abroad. He works through the middle of the night from his location using a proxy server that is located in the US. That way, he appears to be active in the North American day hours as usual and his IP traces to the US. He might seem to be here, but he has “flown the coop”.

    ok, who skipped out without pitching in on the tip?

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater February 12, 2014 at 2:53 pm #

    BatGuano: from today’s comments at BR:“The Obots know something is breaking soon. In fact, one of the very major Obots has secretly left the country, without even telling the other Obots. This person continues to operate a disinformation site, and to post disruptive comments elsewhere, but he does this from abroad. He works through the middle of the night from his location using a proxy server that is located in the US. That way, he appears to be active in the North American day hours as usual and his IP traces to the US. He might seem to be here, but he has “flown the coop”.ok, who skipped out without pitching in on the tip?

    Lol are they still talking about the joke RC played on birthers when he said he had to flee the country?

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater February 12, 2014 at 2:55 pm #

    sfjeff: Seriously- they seem as unaware as Hitler that their obsession with denying Obama the Presidency is a call for destruction of the Constitution, that their call for a coupe against Obama is a call for civil war and destruction of the U.S.

    I always ask birthers one question if they were willing to side with a country like North Korea if it meant removing President Obama from office. Usually I don’t get a response because they know what their response would mean.

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    CarlOrcas February 12, 2014 at 3:17 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: Usually I don’t get a response because they know what their response would mean.

    I think they would go for just about anything that would get the BLACK man out of the WHITE House.

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    JPotter February 13, 2014 at 8:49 am #

    Rand Paul sues Obama …. Klayman and the Shadow Gov’t to sue Paul for copyright infringement, and theft of thunder. And for piling on by making it look easy. And whatever else the Klayster can dream up … until he realizes FreedomWorks can’t be on both sides of the same lawsuit. Or can it?

    (Actually, Paul’s suit is joining FreedomWorks’, but wouldn’t the above be hilarious?)

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    The European February 13, 2014 at 3:43 pm #

    The US surely has the craziest representatives and the craziest media in the world.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/11/illinois-lawmaker-wants-obama-guests-to-cut-calories/

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 14, 2014 at 10:37 am #

    Chain emails are going around saying Klayman won his NSA lawsuit, but I can’t see that there has been any judgment in the case, only a preliminary injunction that was stayed.

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    JPotter February 14, 2014 at 10:46 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Chain emails are going around saying Klayman won his NSA lawsuit, but I can’t see that there has been any judgment in the case, only a preliminary injunction that was stayed.

    The CNN coverage I saw about Paul jumping on the bandwagon was implying there was a hearing upcoming, but did not pin a date to it, that I heard. Definitely no implication of a swift resolution.

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    Thinker February 14, 2014 at 7:46 pm #

    The Governor of Hawaii has appointed a new Director of the Department of Health. She worked at Kapiolani for many years and she went to Punahou School, although she is several years older than President Obama.

    Birfers are going to freak out. LOL.

    http://governor.hawaii.gov/blog/governor-names-dr-linda-rosen-as-department-of-health-director/

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    bovril February 14, 2014 at 9:05 pm #

    As I have been travelling I may have missed this being posted

    As happens with every single Great White Hope of the Burghers, turns out bad for all along with ritual denunciation

    http://www.ppsimmons.blogspot.com/2014/02/analyst-government-of-people-is-dead-if.html

    Stockman is now a stinking Obotlackey….😂😂

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG February 14, 2014 at 9:14 pm #

    bovril:
    As I have been travelling I may have missed this being posted

    As happens with every single Great White Hope of the Burghers, turns out bad for all along with ritual denunciation

    http://www.ppsimmons.blogspot.com/2014/02/analyst-government-of-people-is-dead-if.html

    Stockman is now a stinking Obotlackey….😂😂

    You know, I THOUGHT I felt a massive “Baaaaaaaaaaaw” in the force earlier!

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    RanTalbott February 15, 2014 at 1:47 am #

    bovril: along with ritual denunciation

    Oh, that goes beyond mere “ritual denunciation”. I’ve seen people thrown under the bus (happily, only figuratively), but they threw him under the Zamboni.

    WorldNutdaily’s “Grenade” characterization doesn’t seem as hysterical as their stuff usually does. I’m beginning to wonder if we might see a couple of those three-cornered hats explode at the next GOP national convention, right after their wearers shout “Vattelu Akbar!”.

    (Well, okay: not really. But it does seem credible that we could see re-enactments of those scenes from the 19th Century, with Congresscritters whacking each other with canes on the floor of the House. “You (bleep)s won’t repeal Obamacare? Well, you’re gonna need it!!”)

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    The Magic M (not logged in) February 15, 2014 at 6:03 am #

    sfjeff: I am reading ‘The Monuments Men” right now, and when I was reading about Hitler’s final order to essentially destroy everything in Germany- factories, bridges- everything- to deny them to the Allies- I was reminded of Birthers.

    Scorched Earth. It’s the “if I can’t have it, they won’t either” mindset. Typical for sociopaths like the birthers.

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    Lupin February 15, 2014 at 11:07 am #

    It’s not too surprising the birthers are having a cow when you have this on the air:

    http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/02/frank-taaffe-jordan-davis-nancy-grace-hln

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    Lupin February 15, 2014 at 11:09 am #

    On the other side of the coin, Rand Paul seems to have figured out that Stormfront isn’t enough to get him elected:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/rand-paul-needs-new-republican-party-103521.html

    Is the birtherpocalypse coming? :-)

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    WHAAT! February 15, 2014 at 11:46 am #

    We here begin to wonder how Americans can claim loyalty to their law when the ignorant on this blog exhibit loyalty to a false and phony Kenyan idiot.

    “I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE” to the NEW Kenyan Hitler rather than “I pledge ALLEGIANCE to the United States”.

    “I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all”

    Germany’s Hitler and; Cuba’s Castro, Venezuela’s Chavez, Russia’s Stalin, China’s Mao, Iran’s IDIOT, Iraq’s Sad-ham, and more… Bolivia, Argentina, and the dictators of N. Korea. .

    The “useful idiots” on this board deserve what they SHOULD GET in the near future and that is a TOTAL loss of their freedoms as occurred in the countries identified above.

    [Moved to the Open Thread: Doc]

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 15, 2014 at 12:44 pm #

    Fortunately, nut cases such as yourself don’t get to decide.

    WHAAT!:…

    The “useful idiots” on this board deserve what they SHOULD GET in the near future and that is a TOTAL loss of their freedoms as occurred in the countries identified above.

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    CarlOrcas February 15, 2014 at 1:07 pm #

    WHAAT!: The “useful idiots” on this board deserve what they SHOULD GET in the near future and that is a TOTAL loss of their freedoms as occurred in the countries identified above.

    What should they GET? Left to your own devices what would you do to the people you perceive as “useful idiots”?

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 15, 2014 at 1:56 pm #

    “Useful idiots” sounds very Hitlerian, doesn’t it?

    CarlOrcas: What should they GET? Left to your own devices what would you do to the people you perceive as “useful idiots”?

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    CarlOrcas February 15, 2014 at 2:25 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    “Useful idiots” sounds very Hitlerian, doesn’t it?

    I was wondering about a source and a quick check finds the term, or something close to it, attributed to totalitarian leaders for a very long time.

    Hitler, Stalin, Lenin…..you name it.

    WHAAT! would make a good little soldier in any of their armies.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG February 15, 2014 at 4:07 pm #

    If anti-bithers are “useful” idiots, what does that make birthers? “Useless” idiots? Given the choice, I’d rather be useful.

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    JPotter February 15, 2014 at 6:28 pm #

    WHAAT!: Iran’s IDIOT

    Are you not able to name the current leader of Iran? And you’re using the interwebs (*hint* …. *hint*) in order to demonstrate that lack of knowledge?

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    If anti-bithers are “useful” idiots, what does that make birthers? “Useless” idiots? Given the choice, I’d rather be useful.

    According to Roget’s, the antonym of ‘idiot’ is ‘genius’. Therefore, “useless genius”. They do indeed have a genius for mindless stupidity, and I would say that is indeed a useless form of genius!

    Somewhat similarly, is it better to be consistently wrong, or inconsistently right?

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    RanTalbott February 16, 2014 at 6:41 am #

    JPotter: According to Roget’s, the antonym of ‘idiot’ is ‘genius’. Therefore, “useless genius”.

    Um, I realize that Doc entitled this thread “eschewing obfuscation”, but I don’t think that trying to “fix” two false dichotomies by forcing them into a single one was quite what he had in mind. You may be suffering from overexposure to birther “logic” ;-)

    Remember what Einstein said*: Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.

    * Sort of: it turns out that this maxim was, ironically, a simplification of what he actually said. http://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/05/13/einstein-simple/

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    JPotter February 16, 2014 at 11:58 am #

    RanTalbott: You may be suffering from overexposure to birther “logic”

    Not at all, Ran! Just embracing obfuscation while riffing on the hideous term, “useful idiots”, which, in my experience, is a favorite of wise fools :roll:

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    Nancy R Owens February 16, 2014 at 1:24 pm #

    Rickey: I consider a troll to be someone who posts inflammatory comments in order to rile people up. Nancy isn’t a troll in that sense. I don’t believe that she posts here to rile people up, but she certainly doesn’t post here to have a rational discussion, either. For example, she refuses to answer when asked how she forged Obama’s birth certificate, where she got the details to include in the birth certificate, etc. (never mind her claims that she killed Pablo Escobar). She is just looking for attention, in my opinion.

    I don’t believe that Doc has ever banned anyone simply for having opposing views. However, many of the birthers have justifiably gone into moderation when they refuse to engage with people who challenge their views.

    You have to look at is this way: If Zullo, Arpaio, or any of the others knew the true details of the birth certificates, they would most likely have released it already. All they have, to the best of my knowledge and I could certainly be wrong, is a PDF file.

    [Off topic Nancy narrative deleted. Doc]

    I also have a website up as you may be very well aware. Now, logic should tell you that if I were lying, there would be a challenge in the form of an court injuction. So far, nothing.

    My site has been up for well over five months. That’s a very, very long time considering the information contained within.

    Just Obots everywhere trying to discredit the information and a mountain of disbelievers who have no comprehension of what evils (human) our so-called government subjects the American people to endure. White genocide for certain.

    [Off topic deleted. Moved to Open Thread. Doc.]

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    Nancy R Owens February 16, 2014 at 4:14 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: You have to look at is this way: If Zullo, Arpaio, or any of the others knew the true details of the birth certificates, they would most likely have released it already. All they have, to the best of my knowledge and I could certainly be wrong, is a PDF file.

    [Off topic material deleted. Doc]

    I also have a website up as you may be very well aware. Now, logic should tell you that if I were lying, there would be a challenge in the form of an court injuction. So far, nothing.

    My site has been up for well over five months. That’s a very, very long time considering the information contained within.

    [Off topic material deleted. Doc]

    [Moved to the Open Thread. Doc]

  62. avatar
    Nancy R Owens February 16, 2014 at 4:41 pm #

    Yeah, Doc. Keep deleting. You wouldn’t want them taking me seriously, now would you?

    [This isn’t Clinton Conspiracy Theories. Off topic material deleted. If you want to talk about that, find somewhere else. Moved to the Open Thread. Doc]

  63. avatar
    RanTalbott February 16, 2014 at 6:29 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: Now, logic should tell you that if I were lying, there would be a challenge in the form of an court injuction.

    Logic tells us that TPTB are treating you exactly the same way they treat the Moon landing deniers, the 9/11 Truthers, and the people claiming our government is infested with space aliens in human costumes.

  64. avatar
    justlw February 16, 2014 at 7:53 pm #

    Just saw this on my Twitter feed:

    Oddly familiar ring engraved with ‘the Lord’s Prayer in Arabic’ offered for sale on Amazon.

    …and my Obot brain immediately thought, “Could it be… a replica of Obama’s Sekrit Mooslem Decoder Wedding Ring?” But no, that can’t be right… .

    And no, it isn’t that. And it isn’t right. It’s even more wonderfully, wonderfully wrong.

    Amazon: Lord’s Prayer Arabic Men’s Ring Comfort Fit Black IP Stainless Steel Size 9 10 11 12

  65. avatar
    JPotter February 16, 2014 at 7:59 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: So far, nothing.

    That’s an excellent measure of just how inconsequential your rantings are. No impact whatsoever, no damages of any kind, no need for any injunctions … from anyone. Who do you imagine the ‘injured’ party is?

    That is some creative spin, esp. nice when paired with the assertion that Doc’s ‘housecleaning’ is the one thing preventing you from being taken seriously here.

    Speaking of, you say your ‘site’ has been up for months. Just for giggles, what did you imagine the impact of your site’s launch would be?

  66. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater February 16, 2014 at 8:10 pm #

    JPotter: That’s an excellent measure of just how inconsequential your rantings are. No impact whatsoever, no damages of any kind, no need for any injunctions … from anyone. Who do you imagine the ‘injured’ party is?

    That is some creative spin, esp. nice when paired with the assertion that Doc’s ‘housecleaning’ is the one thing preventing you from being taken seriously here.

    Speaking of, you say your ‘site’ has been up for months. Just for giggles, what did you imagine the impact of your site’s launch would be?

    Why would any one take the time to sue her when they’d spend more money in court than she would have to give in damages. That people just laugh at her is a true indication of how ineffective she is.

  67. avatar
    justlw February 16, 2014 at 8:53 pm #

    Disappointing news on the Amazon ring item I linked to above: they’ve gone and spoiled it by changing its name and description. It originally read:

    Lord’s Prayer Arabic Men’s Ring Comfort Fit Black IP Stainless Steel Size 9 10 11 12 13
    Wear the Lord’s prayer in Arabic on your finger with this beautiful ring designed in strong black IP finish over stainless steel, materials designed to last a lifetime.

    Bad move on their part, IMHO; they’ll get a lot less traffic now.

  68. avatar
    Majority Will February 16, 2014 at 9:28 pm #

    One in 20 people are internet trolls, with the attributes of sadists and psychopaths, according to paper in ScienceDirect

    “One in twenty online users deliberately engage in trolling, according to a new study that also identifies those users as having the classic traits of sadism, narcissism, psychopathy and Machievellianism.”

    http://alturl.com/b4875

  69. avatar
    Northland10 February 16, 2014 at 10:03 pm #

    The biggest issue I have with a troll, such as the one above, is that it may wear out my J key (the “next article” shortcut in Feedly). I hit it every time I see a certain name or a response to it.

  70. avatar
    RanTalbott February 17, 2014 at 12:13 am #

    Majority Will: One in 20 people are internet trolls, with the attributes of sadists and psychopaths, according to paper in ScienceDirect

    And, for a mere US$35.95, you can buy the paper and find out that that’s not what they said at all. It’s a pretty safe bet that that “One in 20″ is mostly people who have occasionally made some tongue-in-cheek or sarcastic remark intended to annoy someone espousing a ridiculous position, not people who routinely throw turds in the punchbowl to try to start flame wars. If the percentage of genuine trolls were really that high, there’d be at least an order of magnitude more disruption going on.

  71. avatar
    Majority Will February 17, 2014 at 1:33 am #

    RanTalbott: And, for a mere US$35.95, you can buy the paper and find out that that’s not what they said at all. It’s a pretty safe bet that that “One in 20″ is mostly people who have occasionally made some tongue-in-cheek or sarcastic remark intended to annoy someone espousing a ridiculous position, not people who routinely throw turds in the punchbowl to try to start flame wars. If the percentage of genuine trolls were really that high, there’d be at least an order of magnitude more disruption going on.

    Thanks for the clarification.

  72. avatar
    Keith February 18, 2014 at 7:09 am #

    “This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon “moderation” in government. Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.”

    President Dwight David Eisenhower from a letter he wrote to his brother on 8 November 1954.

  73. avatar
    Nancy R Owens February 19, 2014 at 12:14 pm #

    To the Doc: I am posting this on my FaceBook page “I Forged Obama’s Birth Certificates” page for those who might want to follow.

    [Good, because it’s off topic for this blog and has been deleted. Doc.]

  74. avatar
    Arthur February 19, 2014 at 4:05 pm #

    I had to laugh at this recent post by the bird-boy of birthistan:

    “I got some interesting news today. I have a friend that is an investigator and he had dinner with Zullo, Arapio (sic), and [Bob] Barr last Thursday night. According to him they did share some of the information they have gathered. I won’t say exactly what they told him – I know, you hate that – but I will say that some here have been correct regarding the foreign student status.”
    http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/02/knus-obamas-forged-birth-certificate.html

    He makes it sound like it was a private dinner. It wasn’t; it was a fund raiser that Arpaio sponsored for Barr. Hundreds of people were there. Falcon says his friend is an “investigator”–i.e., a key-board warrior who looks stuff up on Above Top Secret? And you gotta love his nodding reference to “foreign student status.” God, that little bird is such a dumb cluck!

  75. avatar
    RanTalbott February 19, 2014 at 6:34 pm #

    Arthur: but I will say that some here have been correct regarding the foreign student status

    I assume that would be the “some” who said it was a load of horse manure.

  76. avatar
    JPotter February 19, 2014 at 7:05 pm #

    Keith: President Dwight David Eisenhower from a letter he wrote to his brother on 8 November 1954.

    And said splinter is still with us. Sigh. Nice ¶, thanks for sharing.

    RanTalbott: And, for a mere US$35.95, you can buy the paper and find out that that’s not what they said at all.

    Or, you could ‘rent’ it for $9.50, or access it free with an academic credential. From the synopsis offered, it did seem pretty clear that the Headline Game was being played.

  77. avatar
    Arthur February 19, 2014 at 8:40 pm #

    Keith: President Dwight David Eisenhower from a letter he wrote to his brother on 8 November 1954.

    Oh, how I wish men like Eisenhower represented the core of today’s Republican Party. Unfortunately, those stupid “Texas millionaires” (now billionaires) like H.L. Hunt are in control.

    I’m not terribly familiar with the details of Eisenhower’s presidency, but what he said in his Farewell Address to the Nation is remarkably prescient and should be read aloud before every session of Congress:

    “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.”

  78. avatar
    RanTalbott February 20, 2014 at 2:50 am #

    Arthur: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex.”

    Oh, but that influence is entirely warranted: just look at all the fat campaign fund checks and swell golf vacations they pony up to warrant it…

  79. avatar
    The Magic M February 20, 2014 at 5:46 am #

    Arthur: According to him they did share some of the information they have gathered.

    Funny how openly Zullo shares his information that he always alleges he must keep secret until the last minute…

  80. avatar
    Arthur February 20, 2014 at 9:51 am #

    The Magic M: Funny how openly Zullo shares his information that he always alleges he must keep secret until the last minute…

    I sure it was a tactical leak, meant to the keep Obama off balance.

  81. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG February 20, 2014 at 2:55 pm #

    Anytime I see an Obama headline on a news site like “Obama makes beer bet on hockey”, I wonder what negative light birthers and other rwnj sites will spin it in.
    I can see it now: “pResident Nobama’s gambling and alcohol addiction! See him drukenly gamble on a Canadian sport as America burns to the ground!”

  82. avatar
    Crustacean February 20, 2014 at 6:17 pm #

    Reading the twisted, perverse threads at BR today, I was struck by the nastiness of the infighting. It felt familiar, and I just realized what memory of mine was being dredged up: “No Exit,” the play by Jean-Paul Sartre.

    So be good, anti-birther brethren and sistren. You don’t want to die and end up in some room with FALCON for eternity. That’s what I’d call an INTENSE DEBATE!

    BR’s only real function is as a Hell simulator.

  83. avatar
    jdkinpa February 20, 2014 at 10:22 pm #

    Nancy R Owens February 19, 2014 at 12:14 pm (Quote) #

    To the Doc: I am posting this on my FaceBook page “I Forged Obama’s Birth Certificates” page for those who might want to follow.

    [Good, because it’s off topic for this blog and has been deleted. Doc.]

    This got me to wondering just how infected with birther ‘sickness’ FaceBook’ has become. Nancy may be one of the more familiar one here so I went on a search. Some places are just anti-Obama but they do seem to attract birthers like flies to a cow pie. This one is particularly distributing with some of the raciest content allowed along with the usual ‘usurper’ nonsense.

    For instance: https://www.facebook.com/BrianKolfage/photos/a.440145602714229.101918.440106476051475/664015700327217/?type=1&theater

    https://www.facebook.com/BrianKolfage/photos/a.440145602714229.101918.440106476051475/660970480631739/?type=1&theater

  84. avatar
    Arthur February 21, 2014 at 5:53 am #

    jdkinpa: Nancy R Owens

    You may recall a week or so ago, she-who-must-not-be-named, made some ridiculous claims about Cuban submarines transiting land-locked Lake Okeechobee (average depth, 9′). She’s at it again, this time in a post at the Cuckoo’s Nest, but now she’s added something about murderous dancing and an impotent president:

    “For the record, Cuban mini subs in Lake Okeechobee in the 80’s and white genocide mosh pits in exchange for cocaine was when I was fully clued in. Oh, and the South Floridian Drug Lord Pablo Escobar repeatedly saying, ‘Why ju have no protection? Why ju have no military leader?’ when referring to Reagan.”

    When Dear Leader declares martial law and corrals the birthers into FEMA Camp Soros, I hope these nut rolls will finally get the therapy they so desperately need.

  85. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater February 21, 2014 at 8:32 am #

    Arthur: You may recall a week or so ago, she-who-must-not-be-named, made some ridiculous claims about Cuban submarines transiting land-locked Lake Okeechobee (average depth, 9′). She’s at it again, this time in a post at the Cuckoo’s Nest, but now she’s added something about murderous dancing and an impotent president:

    “For the record, Cuban mini subs in Lake Okeechobee in the 80′s and white genocide mosh pits in exchange for cocaine was when I was fully clued in. Oh, and the South Floridian Drug Lord Pablo Escobar repeatedly saying, ‘Why ju have no protection? Why ju have no military leader?’ when referring to Reagan.”

    When Dear Leaderdeclares martial law and corrals the birthers into FEMA Camp Soros, I hope these nut rolls will finally get the therapy they so desperately need.

    Oh so she’s revised her claims to minisubs? What types are those exactly? How stupid would it be to put subs in a lake that’s on average 9 feet deep you could see them right through the water. She just makes it up as she goes. I’m thinking she’s trying to see what birthers will believe with more grandiose claims. The problem is most don’t bite.

  86. avatar
    The Magic M February 21, 2014 at 10:26 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Oh so she’s revised her claims to minisubs? What types are those exactly?

    I bet when others look for scary Muslims under their beds, Nancy looks for mini-subs in her bath tub.

  87. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater February 21, 2014 at 2:31 pm #

    The Magic M: I bet when others look for scary Muslims under their beds, Nancy looks for mini-subs in her bath tub.

    Yeah those minisubs you used to get in the cereal boxes that would rise and sink with baking soda.

  88. avatar
    RanTalbott February 21, 2014 at 2:39 pm #

    Yeah, I can see the scene now: the CSI shakes the sample vial, but the solution stays clear.
    “Sorry, Detective, that isn’t cocaine in those bags you got from the sub. I think it’s baking soda”.
    “Well, that’s the last time we’re listening to a tip from that bitch”.

  89. avatar
    Arthur February 21, 2014 at 3:16 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Yeah those minisubs you used to get in the cereal boxes that would rise and sink with baking soda.

    Bah, I had a scale model of the Sea View, from my favorite Irwin Allen TV show, “Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea”! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB_xjNhc3n0

  90. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG February 21, 2014 at 3:24 pm #

    I can’t remember if Nugent is a birther or just loves rolling in their filth.
    Anywho, he released an apology today, saying he’s sorry for calling the President a “Subhuman Mongrel”. No, Ted is just sorry that he was caught paraphrasing Adolph Hitler.

  91. avatar
    Soduko February 21, 2014 at 4:30 pm #

    Ew! I need to wash out my eyes! Latest swill from The Blaze is a dire warning and request for the faithful to sign a petition. Headlined “Stop Obama’s War on Conservatives and Christians”, both C words are underscored.

    http://email.theblaze.com/gb40/wmws/THBL/1392991145038_862/w1721018.php?custcode=THBL&bid=696512348&porefererid_=696512348&pbid_=696512348&plname=&pemail=lsself123%40gmail%2Ecom&preflname_=&preffname_=&pfname=Fellow+American

  92. avatar
    donna February 21, 2014 at 4:56 pm #

    FYI: The Buzz: Obama ‘birther’ critic Orly Taitz files against Kamala Harris in California race for attorney general

    http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2014/02/19/2934829/the-buzz-obama-birther-critic.html

    The party she will affiliate with is unknown.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/21/orly-taitz-attorney-general-_n_4831409.html

    perhaps a birther party?

  93. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 21, 2014 at 7:14 pm #

    I’ve decided to enforce the long-standing ban on “helen” as a troll.

  94. avatar
    JPotter February 21, 2014 at 7:18 pm #

    Arthur: when I was fully clued in.

    At least she realizes she’s no longer “fully clued in”! ;)

  95. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG February 21, 2014 at 7:48 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I’ve decided to enforce the long-standing ban on “helen” as a troll.

    If I’m extra good and eat all my veggies, will you do the same to John? ;)

  96. avatar
    Nancy R Owens February 21, 2014 at 8:41 pm #

    Arthur: You may recall a week or so ago, she-who-must-not-be-named, made some ridiculous claims about Cuban submarines transiting land-locked Lake Okeechobee (average depth, 9′). She’s at it again, this time in a post at the Cuckoo’s Nest, but now she’s added something about murderous dancing and an impotent president:

    “For the record, Cuban mini subs in Lake Okeechobee in the 80′s and white genocide mosh pits in exchange for cocaine was when I was fully clued in. Oh, and the South Floridian Drug Lord Pablo Escobar repeatedly saying, ‘Why ju have no protection? Why ju have no military leader?’ when referring to Reagan.”

    When Dear Leaderdeclares martial law and corrals the birthers into FEMA Camp Soros, I hope these nut rolls will finally get the therapy they so desperately need.

    Arthur: You may recall a week or so ago, she-who-must-not-be-named, made some ridiculous claims about Cuban submarines transiting land-locked Lake Okeechobee (average depth, 9′). She’s at it again, this time in a post at the Cuckoo’s Nest, but now she’s added something about murderous dancing and an impotent president:

    “For the record, Cuban mini subs in Lake Okeechobee in the 80′s and white genocide mosh pits in exchange for cocaine was when I was fully clued in. Oh, and the South Floridian Drug Lord Pablo Escobar repeatedly saying, ‘Why ju have no protection? Why ju have no military leader?’ when referring to Reagan.”

    When Dear Leaderdeclares martial law and corrals the birthers into FEMA Camp Soros, I hope these nut rolls will finally get the therapy they so desperately need.

    Arthur: You may recall a week or so ago, she-who-must-not-be-named, made some ridiculous claims about Cuban submarines transiting land-locked Lake Okeechobee (average depth, 9′). She’s at it again, this time in a post at the Cuckoo’s Nest, but now she’s added something about murderous dancing and an impotent president:

    “For the record, Cuban mini subs in Lake Okeechobee in the 80′s and white genocide mosh pits in exchange for cocaine was when I was fully clued in. Oh, and the South Floridian Drug Lord Pablo Escobar repeatedly saying, ‘Why ju have no protection? Why ju have no military leader?’ when referring to Reagan.”

    When Dear Leaderdeclares martial law and corrals the birthers into FEMA Camp Soros, I hope these nut rolls will finally get the therapy they so desperately need.

    Arthur: You may recall a week or so ago, she-who-must-not-be-named, made some ridiculous claims about Cuban submarines transiting land-locked Lake Okeechobee (average depth, 9′). She’s at it again, this time in a post at the Cuckoo’s Nest, but now she’s added something about murderous dancing and an impotent president:

    “For the record, Cuban mini subs in Lake Okeechobee in the 80′s and white genocide mosh pits in exchange for cocaine was when I was fully clued in. Oh, and the South Floridian Drug Lord Pablo Escobar repeatedly saying, ‘Why ju have no protection? Why ju have no military leader?’ when referring to Reagan.”

    When Dear Leaderdeclares martial law and corrals the birthers into FEMA Camp Soros, I hope these nut rolls will finally get the therapy they so desperately need.

    Arthur: You may recall a week or so ago, she-who-must-not-be-named, made some ridiculous claims about Cuban submarines transiting land-locked Lake Okeechobee (average depth, 9′). She’s at it again, this time in a post at the Cuckoo’s Nest, but now she’s added something about murderous dancing and an impotent president:

    “For the record, Cuban mini subs in Lake Okeechobee in the 80′s and white genocide mosh pits in exchange for cocaine was when I was fully clued in. Oh, and the South Floridian Drug Lord Pablo Escobar repeatedly saying, ‘Why ju have no protection? Why ju have no military leader?’ when referring to Reagan.”

    When Dear Leaderdeclares martial law and corrals the birthers into FEMA Camp Soros, I hope these nut rolls will finally get the therapy they so desperately need.

    The levels of the lake vary and if you knew anything about Lake Okeechobee, you would know that there is a Rim Canal for large boats and tugboats to travel. I have been in a Cuban mini sub. The lake’s levels also can increase and decrease dramatically.

    Here is an extract of Wikipedia: …..(12 in) in 2006, the last time it exceeded 4 metres (13 ft).[5] However, the lake’s level began dropping soon after and by July 2007, ….

    As you can see, 13 ft average level for the lake of that year. BUT, again, that does not include the levels for the Rim Canal which is much, much deeper.

    In time, you will learn that I do not lie. We have been a captured nation since 8 months after Reagan took office. Was this due to Carter’s relaxed politicies with Cuba? I don’t know. I was just coming of age at that time. I do know that Reagan was an “absentee” President in the Everglades Region.

    Walk your land. Search for mosh pits before the war gets started. This is no joke.

  97. avatar
    CarlOrcas February 21, 2014 at 11:05 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: The levels of the lake vary and if you knew anything about Lake Okeechobee, you would know that there is a Rim Canal for large boats and tugboats to travel. I have been in a Cuban mini sub. The lake’s levels also can increase and decrease dramatically.

    Fascinating!

    So……how did the “Cuban mini-sub” you were on get through the the gates and locks on the canal without being noticed?

  98. avatar
    RanTalbott February 21, 2014 at 11:18 pm #

    CarlOrcas: So……how did the “Cuban mini-sub” you were on get through the the gates and locks on the canal without being noticed?

    Let’s just say that it’s no coincidence that the special effects crew on “Fantastic Voyage” were all Cubans.

  99. avatar
    CarlOrcas February 21, 2014 at 11:31 pm #

    RanTalbott: Let’s just say that it’s no coincidence that the special effects crew on “Fantastic Voyage” were all Cubans.

    Has Nancy ever used the name “Cora”? Just asking…………

  100. avatar
    Arthur February 22, 2014 at 3:30 am #

    Nancy R Owens: In time, you will learn that I do not lie.

    Your assertion generates an interesting ethical question: if someone makes a statement that is objectively false, but suffers from one or more psychotic disorders that leads her to think that the statement is true, can it be said that she is lying?

    For example, Nancy, I have a friend named Clancy who suffers from grandiose and persecutory delusions and believes all kinds of strange things about Canadians. He’s been telling anyone who will listen that since the 1980s, Canadians have been forcing him to commit various criminal acts, including forging a copy of the Stanley Cup!

    (I know how silly that sounds, but stay with me.)

    Recently, Clancy has been saying that those devious Canucks, led by Steven Abootman, are using mini subs to transport maple syrup from the Canadian end of Lake Champlain to the Vermont end. He says their goal is flood the market with addicting syrup and drive up rates of Type II diabetes. Of course, you and I know that this ridiculous assertion is false, but Clancy swears that it’s true, and in his fevered imagination it is true. Psychiatrists will cite complicated passages from the DSM-IV-TR to explain Clancy’s mental confusion, but you and I know that the simplest way to put it is that the poor fellow has lost the ability to separate fact from fancy. But is he a liar? Only the most coldhearted among us would say so. Over time, I have learned that Clancy’s problem isn’t that he lies, it’s that he doesn’t tell the truth.

  101. avatar
    roxy7655 February 22, 2014 at 4:45 am #

    Crustacean:
    Reading the twisted, perverse threads at BR today, I was struck by the nastiness of the infighting.It felt familiar, and I just realized what memory of mine was being dredged up: “No Exit,” the play by Jean-Paul Sartre.

    So be good, anti-birther brethren and sistren.You don’t want to die and end up in some room with FALCON for eternity.That’s what I’d call an INTENSE DEBATE!

    BR’s only real function is as a Hell simulator.

    Those folks would make the wall-eyed existentialist who said “hell is other people” pass out from sheer horror.

  102. avatar
    donna February 22, 2014 at 7:57 am #

    Senators write FBI over Dinesh D’Souza case

    In the letter, Sens. Charles Grassley, Jeff Sessions, Ted Cruz and Mike Lee quote Harvard Law School Professor Alan Dershowitz as saying, “I can’t help but think that [D’Souza’s] politics have something to do with it. … It smacks of selective prosecution.”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/dinesh-dsouza-fbi-103777.html?hp=l2

  103. avatar
    Majority Will February 22, 2014 at 10:05 am #

    Arthur: Over time, I have learned that Clancy’s problem isn’t that he lies, it’s that he doesn’t tell the truth.

    Or rather, that “Clancy” doesn’t have the ability to discern the difference.

    Or perhaps, consider someone named “Nancy” who might just be incredibly and desperately lonely and craves attention from anyone, anytime and anywhere.

    The reek of that desperation is so strong and off putting it gets someone banned from hardcore birther sites where delusional bigots are usually eager to hear almost anything disparaging about President Obama.

  104. avatar
    Arthur February 22, 2014 at 10:33 am #

    Majority Will: Or perhaps, consider someone named “Nancy” who might just be incredibly and desperately lonely and craves attention from anyone, anytime and anywhere.

    Perish the thought! Nancy, brave patriot that she is, has many, many friends, including: I. P. Daily, Seymour Butts, Penny Pincher, Shirley U. Jest, Ava Banana, Harry Cheeks, and Tamara Morning. Moreover, due to all the voices in her head, she’s never lonely.

  105. avatar
    Nancy R Owens February 22, 2014 at 3:28 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Fascinating!

    So……how did the “Cuban mini-sub” you were on get through the the gates and locks on the canal without being noticed?

    That one is SO easy. Why do you assume it traveled to America from Cuba? It was manned by a Cuban and supported with Cuban/Colombian/Cocaine/Castro/Cash. But, it did not physically come from Cuba. It was built in Clewiston (FL) less than a block away from the main “Watergate.” It was, nonetheless, a Communist Cuban sub and this Cuban male, a Delgado family member, did not survive our short trip together.

    You have to wrap your mind around the fact that after Reagan was shot, he, knowing full well that the assassination attempt back-tracked right to our neck of the woods and that it certainly was no “Jodie Foster Hollywood Love Story,” abandoned the Everglades region to the Hispanic New World Order and the Castros took full advantage of his cowardice.

    This region was overseen by a former Florida State Att. Joseph P DALESSANDRO, head honcho of the cocaine trade, who is kin to Nancy DALESSANDRO Pelosi. You know who she is, don’t you? She’s the DNC chairperson who singlehandedly approved Obama’s nonexistent credentials.

    Why do you think Cuba’s Ted Cruz is riding into the White House on a shiny white horse with clueless Americans screaming his name? Take the Big Bad Black man down and he’ll be seen as the white man’s hero. It’s all part of the Hispanic New World Order’s domination plan. Their tentacles spread to all corners of the globe and I am not suggesting otherwise.

  106. avatar
    Nancy R Owens February 22, 2014 at 4:03 pm #

    Arthur: Your assertion generates an interesting ethical question: if someone makes a statement that is objectively false, but suffers from one or more psychotic disorders that leads her to think that the statement is true, can it be said that she is lying?

    For example, Nancy, I have a friend named Clancy who suffers from grandiose and persecutory delusions and believes all kinds of strange things about Canadians. He’s been telling anyone who will listen that since the 1980s, Canadians have been forcing him to commit various criminal acts, including forging a copy of the Stanley Cup!

    (I know how silly that sounds, but stay with me.)

    Recently, Clancy has been saying that those devious Canucks, led by Steven Abootman, are using mini subs to transport maple syrup from the Canadian end of Lake Champlain to the Vermont end. He says their goal is flood the market with addicting syrup and drive up rates of Type II diabetes. Of course, you and I know that this ridiculous assertion is false, but Clancy swears that it’s true, and in his fevered imagination it is true. Psychiatrists will cite complicated passages from the DSM-IV-TR to explain Clancy’s mental confusion, but you and I know that the simplest way to put it is that the poor fellow has lost the ability to separate fact from fancy. But is he a liar? Only the most coldhearted among us would say so. Over time, I have learned that Clancy’s problem isn’t that he lies, it’s that he doesn’t tell the truth.

    In 1985, I graduated from Palm Beach Community College, now PBSC, with a degree in Journalism. This is prima facie evidence of pre-existing knowledge of slander/libel laws. For anyone wishing to challenge my statements, a long, drawn out lawsuit is NOT necessary and few would deny spending the $100 or so to do what they would have the legal right to do which is file an injuction allowing for my arrest.

    That’s right! No confiscation of assets. Immediate imprisonment. No BS excuse of, “Sue for what? She hasn’t got much.” Cool, huh? How many injunctions/arrests have I received to date? Not one. Hmmm….

    Of course, we could always go with the last ditch effort of, “Take your meds” coming from desperate “Don’t mess with my limited scope of reality” bubble-gum psychologists.

    Oh, hey. And, isn’t there the “Baker Act” or some such equivalent one could resort to if one felt that their standing in society had been injured? After almost two years….nothing.

    Or, maybe these people don’t know this and you could do the honorable thing which is to call them and clue them in. My address and part of my college transcript can be found on my website:

    http://WWW.IFORGEDOBAMASBIRTHCERTIFICATES.COM

    I’ll even go so far as to add my driver’s license to my site right now. You will see that my birthdate, March 30, 1962, coincides with the shooting of Ronald Reagan. Two shooters, not one, and I was the second shooter. Reagan lied.

  107. avatar
    Arthur February 22, 2014 at 4:22 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: Their tentacles spread to all corners of the globe . . .

    . . . and into the dark recess of your brain.

  108. avatar
    Majority Will February 22, 2014 at 5:08 pm #

    Arthur: . . . and into the dark recess of your brain.

    Cthulhu comes to mind.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater February 22, 2014 at 5:23 pm #

    Arthur: . . . and into the dark recess of your brain.

    Lol and she returns back to Clewiston a town with less than 7000 people where all the major events of the last 40 years seem to take place. As others have noted how exactly would these minisubs go unnoticed in the levees? How big were these supposed subs Nancy?

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    JPotter February 22, 2014 at 5:41 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: How big were these supposed subs Nancy?

    A. About the size of your average cypress log. Come to think of it, they werfe cleverly disguised to resemble fallen cypress trees.

    Those sneeeeaksy Cubans!

    B. Being of Cuban origin, they resembled large cigars. On closer inspection of the ‘minisubs’, it was discovered that these little brown subs weren’t filled with tobabcco, but 100% boolsheet.

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    CarlOrcas February 22, 2014 at 5:47 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: That one is SO easy. Why do you assume it traveled to America from Cuba?

    I didn’t. I just asked you how it made it through the numerous gates on the waterways around the lake. Why do you call the entrance “Watergate”?

    Nancy R Owens: It was built in Clewiston (FL) less than a block away from the main “Watergate.”

    What is the address where it was built? And exactly how did you get it into the lake?

    Nancy R Owens: It was, nonetheless, a Communist Cuban sub and this Cuban male, a Delgado family member, did not survive our short trip together.

    You killed him? How? What did you do with his body? Did you pilot the sub back to Clewiston?

    Couple other quick questions:

    – What were the dimensions of the sub?
    – How many were built?
    – Did it have a pressure hull?
    – How many crew members?
    – What happened to it/them?

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    CarlOrcas February 22, 2014 at 6:13 pm #

    JPotter: Those sneeeeaksy Cubans!

    Indeed!! It didn’t have anything to do with drugs, Castro or Nixon or whoever.

    Cuban restaurants. That’s it. They’d run out of customers for Cuban food in Cuba. Simple.

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 22, 2014 at 6:50 pm #

    About the size of a large alligator.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: ?How big were these supposed subs Nancy?

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    CarlOrcas February 22, 2014 at 7:11 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: In 1985, I graduated from Palm Beach Community College, now PBSC, with a degree in Journalism. This is prima facie evidence of pre-existing knowledge of slander/libel laws. For anyone wishing to challenge my statements, a long, drawn out lawsuit is NOT necessary and few would deny spending the $100 or so to do what they would have the legal right to do which is file an injuction allowing for my arrest.

    “Injunction”? “Arrest”?

    How would that work?

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater February 22, 2014 at 8:13 pm #

    CarlOrcas: “Injunction”? “Arrest”?

    How would that work?

    I’m confused how an AA degree in journalism translates into having preexisting knowledge of slander/libel laws?

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    Nancy R Owens February 22, 2014 at 8:13 pm #

    CarlOrcas: I didn’t. I just asked you how it made it through the numerous gates on the waterways around the lake. Why do you call the entrance “Watergate”?

    What is the address where it was built? And exactly how did you get it into the lake?

    You killed him? How? What did you do with his body? Did you pilot the sub back to Clewiston?

    Couple other quick questions:

    – What were the dimensions of the sub?
    – How many were built?
    – Did it have a pressure hull?
    – How many crew members?
    – What happened to it/them?

    I killed him with the only thing I could find which was a pipe wrench to the skull. We had gone under for a few hundred feet. Successful. No problems. I opened the top hatch to make sure we had indeed reached the surface because it would have been foolish to kill him prior to this since I had no clue how to man a sub. Looking at the size of my bedroom which is about 12-14 ft ft long I’d have to say pretty close to that.

    I was not ordered to kill him by the sheriff so I was never reassigned to any more subs if there were any built. I was never told about any more subs. I never saw any more subs. He was the only member. I was a passenger. I left the body there. I left through the open hatch and went to the man who had helped build it. Told him Delgado never showed up which was a lie.

    Watergate? It’s not hard to read between those lines. Watergate never stopped and we were aware of being spied on by the Hendry County Sheriff’s Department as far back as the late 70’s and knew that it’s sole purpose was to protect the members of the drug cartel. Not us. Not the American citizens of our town. We were murdered off in masses. White females in their teens because they would be more likely to seek out the authorities. Fewer white males. But, enough that it was certainly noticed.

    There were no investigations into these matters thanks to the DALESSANDRO family and the White House politicians who protected the cartel at the higher ends. Just look at the mini subs pictured in the 911 Commission report. You’ll get a fairly good idea of the size.

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    Nancy R Owens February 22, 2014 at 8:14 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: I’m confused how an AA degree in journalism translates into having preexisting knowledge of slander/libel laws?

    Absolutely!

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    CarlOrcas February 22, 2014 at 8:26 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: I’m confused how an AA degree in journalism translates into having preexisting knowledge of slander/libel laws?

    It’s “prima facie evidence”…..that’s how. Sheesh! You just don’t understand.

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    Rickey February 22, 2014 at 8:55 pm #

    Nancy R Owens:

    That’s right! No confiscation of assets. Immediate imprisonment. No BS excuse of, “Sue for what? She hasn’t got much.” Cool, huh? How many injunctions/arrests have I received to date? Not one. Hmmm….

    Has it occurred to you that nobody believes what you write, and nobody cares about it?

    I’ll even go so far as to add my driver’s license to my site right now. You will see that my birthdate, March 30, 1962, coincides with the shooting of Ronald Reagan. Two shooters, not one, and I was the second shooter. Reagan lied.

    Ronald Reagan was shot in 1962? I had no idea. Were you shooting from a grassy knoll?

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    Suranis February 22, 2014 at 9:17 pm #

    This woman lives in the same fantasy land as my love life.

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    CarlOrcas February 22, 2014 at 9:21 pm #

    So many questions!

    Nancy R Owens: I killed him with the only thing I could find which was a pipe wrench to the skull. We had gone under for a few hundred feet. Successful. No problems. I opened the top hatch to make sure we had indeed reached the surface because it would have been foolish to kill him prior to this since I had no clue how to man a sub. Looking at the size of my bedroom which is about 12-14 ft ft long I’d have to say pretty close to that.

    – How many blows did it take to kill him?
    – After you killed him how did you know you were on the surface before you opened the hatch?
    – What was the propulsion system?
    – Your 12-14 feet is the outside dimension? What was the diameter of the hull?
    – Asked and not answered earlier: Where was it built….address? And how did they get it into the water?

    Nancy R Owens: I left the body there. I left through the open hatch and went to the man who had helped build it. Told him Delgado never showed up which was a lie.

    – How did you get back to shore?
    – Do you know what happened to the sub?

    Nancy R Owens: Watergate? It’s not hard to read between those lines.

    Actually it is but I’ll leave that for another time.

    Nancy R Owens: We were murdered off in masses. White females in their teens because they would be more likely to seek out the authorities. Fewer white males. But, enough that it was certainly noticed.

    Dare I ask: How did you avoid being murdered?

    Nancy R Owens: Just look at the mini subs pictured in the 911 Commission report. You’ll get a fairly good idea of the size.

    Can’t seem to find anything with a search for “9/11 report mini-sub”.

    Maybe you can provide a link?

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    Nancy R Owens February 22, 2014 at 9:32 pm #

    CarlOrcas:
    So many questions!

    – How many blows did it take to kill him?
    – After you killed him how did you know you were on the surface before you opened the hatch?
    – What was the propulsion system?
    – Your 12-14 feet is the outside dimension? What was the diameter of the hull?
    – Asked and not answered earlier: Where was it built….address? And how did they get it into the water?

    – How did you get back to shore?
    – Do you know what happened to the sub?

    Actually it is but I’ll leave that for another time.

    Dare I ask: How did you avoid being murdered?

    Can’t seem to find anything with a search for “9/11 report mini-sub”.

    Maybe you can provide a link?

    If you’re an investigator, I’d be more than happy to have a face to face with you via Skype or Google chat. I appreciate your questions. But, can see that this can go on and on and if I’m away from the PC, it may seem like I’m avoiding you. Again, I do appreciate your curiosity. If you notice, the Tiffany Sessions Gainesville case has supposedly been closed. My kill in self-defense. They kept trying and I never ever trusted anybody. When in doubt, I killed.

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    Keith February 22, 2014 at 10:09 pm #

    CarlOrcas: Can’t seem to find anything with a search for “9/11 report mini-sub”.

    Maybe you can provide a link?

    My guess is that it only shows up on the ‘dark internet’.

    I can find reference to 6 Cuban minisubs from North Korea, 4 with torpedos and 2 with scientific instrumentation for meteorological studies.

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    CarlOrcas February 22, 2014 at 11:07 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: If you’re an investigator, I’d be more than happy to have a face to face with you via Skype or Google chat. I appreciate your questions.

    I’m not an investigator. I’m just someone who has questions about what you have written. If you appreciate my questions you would answer them.

    Nancy R Owens: My kill in self-defense. They kept trying and I never ever trusted anybody. When in doubt, I killed.

    How many people have you killed?

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    Rickey February 22, 2014 at 11:12 pm #

    Nancy R Owens: If you notice, the Tiffany Sessions Gainesville case has supposedly been closed. My kill in self-defense. They kept trying and I never ever trusted anybody. When in doubt, I killed.

    I guess you haven’t been paying attention, because two weeks ago a suspect was named in the Tiffany Sessions case, and it isn’t you.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/crime/fl-tiffany-sessions-developments-20140205,0,5829331.story

    Perhaps you should call the Gainesville Police and tell them that they have the wrong person.