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Breaking: Maricopa County Sheriff’s posse shuts down

A small item appeared on the Associated Press wire yesterday, stating that the Sun City West posse commander told its members to cease operations, after they discovered that there was no insurance coverage on those Crown Victoria surplus police cruisers with county plates that the posse members had been driving. Note that all the posse cars have county license plates, not just the Cold Case Posse cars.

At this time, Sun City West is the only posse to suspend operations, according Sheriff Arpaio, but others may follow, at least until the insurance issue gets sorted out.

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63 Responses to Breaking: Maricopa County Sheriff’s posse shuts down

  1. avatar
    Jim April 1, 2014 at 10:11 am #

    Sounds like some Brian Reilly’s concerns are being being heard. Glad they’re doing this before they have a major liability come out of their own pockets.

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    Curious George April 1, 2014 at 10:20 am #

    The plates must be changed and the posses must get their own insurance it would appear. What a horrible can of worms! There will be no quick fix I’m told.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 1, 2014 at 11:09 am #

    Mmm, might be some worrying in birtherville over this. I mean, if they lose their precious CCP, whatever shall they do?

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    sef April 1, 2014 at 11:48 am #

    A reminder of my earlier comment: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2014/03/brians-answers/#comment-320423

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    CarlOrcas April 1, 2014 at 12:22 pm #

    Curious George:
    The plates must be changed and the posses must get their own insurance it would appear.What a horrible can of worms!There will be no quick fix I’m told.

    As it regards the plates I’m wondering how, if they are exempt government registrations, they were issued to a private non-profit.

    Also I’m wondering about the vehicles. Were they all purchased as surplus with the equipment and insignia left intact? Or were they, somehow, purchased new by the posses on the county contract for police cars?

    Years ago each entity – city, county and state – bought their own vehicles but then they got together with the state pooled their purchases to get a better deal. Not sure how they are doing it now but one of the requirements at that point was that the purchaser was a real government agency.

    California has a law that former police vehicles have to be stripped of all their police equipment and repainted so there is no chance they can be mistaken for a police car. I’m not sure if Arizona has a similar law.

    It will be interesting to see how these vehicles were acquired by the posses and if, in the process, it ended up costing the taxpayers any money.

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    Rickey April 1, 2014 at 12:24 pm #

    The problem is that Maricopa County doesn’t own the vehicles, so it has no insurable interest in them even if it wanted to insure them.

    As for the posse members, their own insurance policies would cover them while driving a vehicle borrowed from a friend, but not for an unowned vehicle which is provided for their regular use. Obviously, a posse member who is allowed to park a Posse Crown Victoria at home has access to it for his or her regular use.

    I have no doubt that the insurance premiums would be astronomical for vehicles which are operated in potentially dangerous circumstances by semi-trained volunteers.

    It also appears that the Posses have been violating Arizona’s mandatory insurance law:

    Arizona requires that every motor vehicle operated on roadways be covered by one of the statutory forms of financial responsibility, more commonly called liability insurance, through a company that is authorized to do business in Arizona. This requirement also includes golf carts, motorcycles and mopeds.

    Minimum levels of financial responsibility are

    $15,000 bodily-injury liability for one person and $30,000 for two or more people.
    $10,000 property-damage liability.

    http://www.azdot.gov/mvd/faq/vehicle-services/mandatory-insurance

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    CarlOrcas April 1, 2014 at 12:36 pm #

    Rickey: The problem is that Maricopa County doesn’t own the vehicles, so it has no insurable interest in them even if it wanted to insure them.

    Since the county is self-insured I wonder if they convinced themselves it was okay to cover them. But you’re absolutely right, if they went to market and tried to buy insurance to cover a vehicle they don’t own that is operated by a non-profit they don’t control they would be laughed at.

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    Notorial Dissent April 1, 2014 at 1:21 pm #

    It still comes down to the county could and would be held legally and financially responsible for anything these pretend peace officers happened to do while playing pretend peace officer, and that could add substantially to the millions Shurf Joe has already cost the county, and whether legally or not, those cars have county licenses on them so anything that happens involving those vehicles they are in it as well.

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    CarlOrcas April 1, 2014 at 1:38 pm #

    Notorial Dissent:
    It still comes down to the county could and would be held legally and financially responsible for anything these pretend peace officers happened to do while playing pretend peace officer, and that could add substantially to the millions Shurf Joe has already cost the county, and whether legally or not, those cars have county licenses on them so anything that happens involving those vehicles they are in it as well.

    I think it’s even broader than that. Imagine trying to explain to a judge or jury why you’re not responsible for something that has your name all over it and that you’ve promoted for over 20 years.

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    Rickey April 1, 2014 at 1:55 pm #

    Notorial Dissent:
    It still comes down to the county could and would be held legally and financially responsible for anything these pretend peace officers happened to do while playing pretend peace officer, and that could add substantially to the millions Shurf Joe has already cost the county, and whether legally or not, those cars have county licenses on them so anything that happens involving those vehicles they are in it as well.

    If I were injured in an accident involving a posse cruiser, I would certainly sue Maricopa County and argue that the driver was an agent of the County, even though an unpaid volunteer. At the very least that would be an avenue to have discovery into the actual relationship between the posses and the Sheriff’s office.

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    CarlOrcas April 1, 2014 at 3:11 pm #

    Rickey: If I were injured in an accident involving a posse cruiser, I would certainly sue Maricopa County and argue that the driver was an agent of the County, even though an unpaid volunteer. At the very least that would be an avenue to have discovery into the actual relationship between the posses and the Sheriff’s office.

    Brian Reilly indicated he had a MCSO radio (that didn’t work) and unit number.

    If the uniformed posse members are dispatched by the MCSO that pretty much settles it.

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    ArthurWankspittle April 1, 2014 at 3:14 pm #

    Could we see ambulance chaser lawyers looking for anyone injured by any Maricopa posse cars? Alternatively, has Maricopa County paid out for any Posse car accidents? How many posse members have had damages paid out by the county when this should never have happened?

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    CarlOrcas April 1, 2014 at 3:47 pm #

    ArthurWankspittle:
    Could we see ambulance chaser lawyers looking for anyone injured by any Maricopa posse cars? Alternatively, has Maricopa County paid out for any Posse car accidents? How many posse members have had damages paid out by the county when this should never have happened?

    Good questions!

    Doc is good at FOIA requests…..maybe it’s time for one to the MCSO…..unless he’s already thought of it.

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    Curious George April 1, 2014 at 4:17 pm #

    ArthurWankspittle,
    “Could we see ambulance chaser lawyers looking for anyone injured by any Maricopa posse cars? Alternatively, has Maricopa County paid out for any Posse car accidents? How many posse members have had damages paid out by the county when this should never have happened?”

    I’ve heard that the Sun City West Posse currently is facing legal action as a result of a Posse member driving accident. An FOIA would be timely.

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    CarlOrcas April 1, 2014 at 4:45 pm #

    Curious George: I’ve heard that the Sun City West Posse currently is facing legal action as a result of a Posse member driving accident. An FOIA would be timely.

    A quick check of the Maricopa County Justice of the Peace and Superior Court’ civil dockets doesn’t produce anything with the word “posse” in either party’s name.

    Normally this sort of thing would go through the claims process with the county and the supervisors (I think) before it could go to court.

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    ArthurWankspittle April 1, 2014 at 5:42 pm #

    CarlOrcas: A quick check of the Maricopa County Justice of the Peace and Superior Court’ civil dockets doesn’t produce anything with the word “posse” in either party’s name.

    Normally this sort of thing would go through the claims process with the county and the supervisors (I think) before it could go to court.

    But would the “internal” incidents? e.g. Posse car with “car park damage” that gets repaired by the county.

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    CarlOrcas April 1, 2014 at 6:18 pm #

    ArthurWankspittle: But would the “internal” incidents? e.g. Posse car with “car park damage” that gets repaired by the county.

    I wouldn’t think so. Maybe Curious George can provide more details about what he’s heard.

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    bgansel9 April 2, 2014 at 12:11 am #

    CarlOrcas: California has a law that former police vehicles have to be stripped of all their police equipment and repainted so there is no chance they can be mistaken for a police car. I’m not sure if Arizona has a similar law.

    Funny thing, Carl, there used to be a stripped down county vehicle not too far from where I live, and while the equipment was gone and the decals and stripes removed, it was still easy to tell by all of the bullet holes in the side of the vehicle.

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    nbc April 2, 2014 at 2:02 am #

    Suncity Posse newsletter

    Please Note: Sun City Posse patrols are not law enforcement and cannot issue traffic citations

    http://www.suncityposse.org/letters/newsletter.pdf

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    nbc April 2, 2014 at 2:09 am #

    Also

    A few Posse members in the Sun Cities are licensed firearm users, but most do not carry weapons. Posse members have no authority to pull over vehicles nor issue criminal or misdemeanor citations. They cannot make arrests unless directed to do so by a sworn county sheriff’s deputy.

    http://www.yourwestvalley.com/suncity/article_6715e7f0-b948-11e3-85fd-0019bb2963f4.html

    But they do drive fully equipped cars that look like the real deal but are not government vehicles.

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    ArthurWankspittle April 2, 2014 at 4:26 am #

    IANAL but have some further thoughts: If I get into a county car which isn’t insured but should be, am I being “endangered”? If I am directed or forced into a county car which isn’t under the control of a genuine law officer am I being kidnapped?
    Any “ambulance chasing” lawyer could have a field day with this.

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    Notorial Dissent April 2, 2014 at 12:45 pm #

    Arthur, I think you have pretty well hit the nail on the head, or in this case, pointed out the prize goose with the golden eggs to, as you put it, an “ambulance chasing” lawyer. Unless the law is markedly different in AZ, the county should be absolutely liable for ANYTHING that happened to an outside party, and I’m fairly sure that they would be liable for anything that happens to one of their pretend deputies. I think one thing they are missing is the workman’s comp liabilities that these pretend deputies bring about. I think there is a whole ugly can of worms here that the county liability officer, or whatever they call them, is missing out on.

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    CarlOrcas April 2, 2014 at 1:04 pm #

    Notorial Dissent: I think one thing they are missing is the workman’s comp liabilities that these pretend deputies bring about.

    I think I mentioned it before on the blog but posse members (other than search and rescue folks) are specifically excluded from coverage. It’s in ARS 23-901 http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/23/00901.htm&Title=23&DocType=ARS

    It’s down in section 6(g):

    This subdivision shall not be construed to provide compensation coverage for any member of a sheriff’s posse who is not a certified member of an authorized volunteer sheriff’s reserve except as a participant in a search and rescue mission or a search and rescue training mission.

    Some of the current stories in Phoenix media have the sheriff’s office indicating they are covered. There was an effort to change the law last year that I believe it failed but the sheriff’s office may know something that isn’t obvious in the law……or not.

    Notorial Dissent: I think there is a whole ugly can of worms here that the county liability officer, or whatever they call them, is missing out on.

    It’s Risk Management…..and I think the issue is starting to see the light of day. It is going to be interesting watch this story develop.

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    Rickey April 2, 2014 at 2:36 pm #

    The Sheriff’s office could be in a lot of hot water because they apparently have been telling posse members that they are covered by workers’ comp. As you have noted, unless the law has been changed they are not covered unless they are injured while on a search and rescue mission.

    However, the County could still be on the hook for WC benefits if injured posse members relied on representations made to them that they are covered. It is a legal theory called “detrimental reliance.” In a nutshell, if someone in the Sheriff’s office with apparent authority told the posse members that they are covered, and the posse members relied on that assurance, the County may have to pay them WC benefits even though they are not entitled to them under the law.

    The astonishing thing to me is that the county apparently failed to address these issues when the posses were first formed. If I were a posse member, I would be none too please to learn that I had been driving around in an uninsured vehicle, leaving me personally liable for damages if I had been involved in an accident.

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    CarlOrcas April 2, 2014 at 3:03 pm #

    Rickey: The Sheriff’s office could be in a lot of hot water because they apparently have been telling posse members that they are covered by workers’ comp. As you have noted, unless the law has been changed they are not covered unless they are injured while on a search and rescue mission.

    My guess is it’s just dawning on folks in county management what the potential problems are for for both worker’s comp and uninsured cars that look like they belong to the county with people who look like they work for the county inside. It’s really mind boggling.

    As it regards search and rescue those posses are clearly identified by name, mission and training. The Sun City posses won’t be able to claim looking for someone lost on their way to the Safeway counts.

    And, of course, you’re right about the county being on the hook based on what real employees of the SO tell them. It could get ugly.

    Rickey: The astonishing thing to me is that the county apparently failed to address these issues when the posses were first formed. If I were a posse member, I would be none too please to learn that I had been driving around in an uninsured vehicle, leaving me personally liable for damages if I had been involved in an accident.

    Other than the Cold Case Posse all the others date back to the early 70′s and some of the ceremonial units even further.

    I’m sure that over the years some of the members of the patrol posses, like those in Sun City, have asked about those very things. Many of them are retired business people with lots of experience in the real world.

    It will be interesting to see what the SO, especially during Arpaio’s two decades in office, provided in the way of answers to any questions that were asked.

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    sef April 2, 2014 at 3:49 pm #

    Is Arizona the only state wherein this “posse” nonsense exists?

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    Rickey April 2, 2014 at 4:19 pm #

    sef:
    Is Arizona the only state wherein this “posse” nonsense exists?

    Apart from the CCP, the posses seem to do good things, but you’re right – why not just hire enough real police officers and make the posses unnecessary?

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 2, 2014 at 4:24 pm #

    It’s probably a matter of expense. If you can get some volunteers to do crowd control at a parade and direct traffic around an accident, you free up the real law enforcement types to do more important stuff. And search and rescue can require lots of folks, but only once in a while.

    Rickey: Apart from the CCP, the posses seem to do good things, but you’re right – why not just hire enough real police officers and make the posses unnecessary?

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    sef April 2, 2014 at 4:56 pm #

    Rickey: Apart from the CCP, the posses seem to do good things, but you’re right – why not just hire enough real police officers and make the posses unnecessary?

    Maybe they do good things that are sometimes necessary, but ISTM that the way the Maricopa ones are constituted could lead to results much more costly in the long run than paying for people to do them. “Bottom line” folks very often make very costly mistakes. This seems like an expose story for that reporter in AZ to tell us the “real” cost.

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    Reality Check April 2, 2014 at 5:02 pm #

    The is a new article about the Posse shutdown at the Phoenix New Times. They obtained a copy of a memo that went out from the MCSO to all the posses:

    “In reviewing the vehicles used by each individual posse, it has come to my attention that your posse has vehicle(s) with government issued license plates,” says the memo written by Lieutenant David Toporek, commander of the MCSO’s Enforcement Support Division. “This is in violation of Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office policy GJ 27.8.C.1.c.”

    You must make arrangements to have these vehicle(s) re-registered immediately,” Toporek’s letter to the posses goes on. “Upon completion, you must contact the Enforcement Support Division and make arrangements to have the vehicles inspected per MCSO policy GJ 27.8.D.

    “If the vehicles are not re-registered by April 24, 2014, they will no longer be authorized for use by the Sheriff’s Office.

    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2014/04/maricopa_county_posse_vehicles.php

    In response to a comment I left at the Arizonas Politics blog Mitch Martinson seems to think that the issue over the posse vehicles was a result of Brian Reilly’s coming forward.

    Brian Reilly definitely got dominos to start falling. His revelations prompted an extended correspondence between Arizona’s Politics and the County, the MCSO, and others. Not sure if other reporters did likewise. But, that prompted internal discussions, I would think. More to come.

    (Re: FBI, they always seem to be very active that day of the year.)

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    CarlOrcas April 2, 2014 at 5:35 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I don’t know of any of them are nearly as large.

    I’ve never seen anything nearly as large. Los Angeles County Sheriff and the city police have reserve programs with hundreds of officers but they’re all sworn officers.

    Most posses are ceremonial – riding their horses in parades, etc. – and/or assisting in search and rescue efforts. I am not aware of any sheriff, in Arizona or out, that has them on patrol the way Arpaio has allowed.

    Cynical observers in Arizona have suggested there may be a political motive involved with Arpaio!!

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    CarlOrcas April 2, 2014 at 5:39 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    It’s probably a matter of expense. If you can get some volunteers to do crowd control at a parade and direct traffic around an accident, you free up the real law enforcement types to do more important stuff. And search and rescue can require lots of folks, but only once in a while.

    Most departments have volunteer programs that range from non-sworn folks who help answer the phones and file paperwork all the way up to trained and sworn reserves.

    If you look for programs labeled VIP’s, usually Volunteers in Policing, you will see how various departments configure their programs.

    It takes training to do even the things you mention. Directing traffic can be a challenge and, handling poorly, can cause more problems that it solves. Same with search and rescue.

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    Northland10 April 2, 2014 at 9:02 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: During county fairs in Michigan, they used to use what was called Reserve Deputy Sheriffs. They were often mounted and helped with crowd control. I found Mecosta

    During county fairs in Michigan, they used to use what was called Reserve Deputy Sheriffs. They were often mounted and helped with crowd control. I found Mecosta County being on the list a little strange as Ferris State University has their own police force and, if I recall, involves some of the CJ students in extra duties (they have a rather active criminal justice degree program). Maybe the hockey games are a bit much for just the campus police.

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    RanTalbott April 2, 2014 at 9:45 pm #

    nbc: A few Posse members in the Sun Cities are licensed firearm users, but most do not carry weapons

    “licensed firearm users” is a pretty meaningless term in AZ, since you can carry, open or concealed, pretty much anything that doesn’t require an FFL just about anyplace other than private or government buildings with signage prohibiting it, without any sort of permit.

    I’m surprised that most of the posse members don’t carry, though: if they look as much like real cops as the stories suggest, they’re making themselves targets for the violent criminals who are sometimes stupid enough to try to shoot their way out of an encounter. Maybe I got the wrong impression, and they’re not doing as much patrolling, and similarly-risky work, as I thought.

    Another interesting point from that article:

    Upwards of 125 to 150 volunteers offer free services for our safety, their unit has been responsible for fundraising done to provide a half dozen vehicles or more. Under these circumstances, it seems to be a small token of support we ask for the Maricopa County to provide individual and vehicular insurance coverage

    At 50 cents apiece for Crown Vics, it doesn’t seem like the County owes them a whole lot for their “fundraising” efforts…

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 2, 2014 at 9:56 pm #

    I have two friends who volunteer for such programs. One is a retired deputy, and the other one is a retired Marine MP, with a long career in private security (guarding a nuclear station). I think both are doing desk jobs right now.

    CarlOrcas: Most departments have volunteer programs that range from non-sworn folks who help answer the phones and file paperwork all the way up to trained and sworn reserves.

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    CarlOrcas April 2, 2014 at 10:16 pm #

    RanTalbott: “licensed firearm users” is a pretty meaningless term in AZ, since you can carry, open or concealed, pretty much anything that doesn’t require an FFL just about anyplace other than private or government buildings with signage prohibiting it, without any sort of permit.

    You’re correct about carrying in Arizona. In this case the armed posse members are required to complete the firearms unit for certified officers that is required by AZPOST. It’s about 30 hours, I think. They aren’t certified in any way by AZPOST but the sheriff makes it kinda sound like they are.

    RanTalbott: I’m surprised that most of the posse members don’t carry, though: if they look as much like real cops as the stories suggest, they’re making themselves targets for the violent criminals who are sometimes stupid enough to try to shoot their way out of an encounter. Maybe I got the wrong impression, and they’re not doing as much patrolling, and similarly-risky work, as I thought.

    They look exactly like certified deputies. Their uniforms are exactly the same down to the shoulder patch that says “Deputy Sheriff”. Here are some pictures from the Sun City West Posse’s website: http://www.scwposse.com/photos

    The only difference is on the badge where it says “Sheriff’s Posse”. Also notice the vehicles are exactly the same as vehicles used by certified deputies. Not a word on them about the posse. Just “Sheriff” in big letters on both sides.

    It’s a miracle that a posse member hasn’t been hurt. The Sun City’s are pretty low crime areas but areas near them aren’t.

    RanTalbott: At 50 cents apiece for Crown Vics, it doesn’t seem like the County owes them a whole lot for their “fundraising” efforts…

    Most of the vehicles I see on the Sun City West website are Ford SUV’s and they look pretty new to me. They also appear to be equipped with a police package – push bar, overhead bar, spotlights, wheels. I assume they also have the standard unit to control the lights, siren, outside speaker, etc. Add a radio to the package and you’ve got a fair amount of money.

    The question for me is that if they aren’t surplus just how is a non-profit public service organization buying fully equipped and heralded police cars???

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    CarlOrcas April 2, 2014 at 10:33 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I have two friends who volunteer for such programs. One is a retired deputy, and the other one is a retiredMarine MP, with a long career in private security (guarding a nuclear station). I think both are doing desk jobs right now.

    The programs I am familiar with don’t have members wearing uniforms that can be confused with regular officers. My guess is your friends may wear a shirt of some sort that says VIP or something like that.

    The Arizona Highway Patrol has a certified reserve unit but it also has a group of trained volunteers who patrol the freeways to handle vehicle assistance calls. They’re in a pick-up that says something about roadside help and they wear a sport shirt with the program name on it…..no gun belts, no guns, no badges……no confusion.

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    RanTalbott April 3, 2014 at 12:56 am #

    CarlOrcas: In this case the armed posse members are required to complete the firearms unit for certified officers that is required by AZPOST.

    Well, that’s encouraging: helps weed out the action-movie-wannabes. And it’s good to know that somebody in government in the Phoenix area managed to avoid whatever pathogen it is that infested our gun-nut state legislature.

    And I figured that the posse deputies almost certainly had done something more substantial, but the opening for the cheap joke was just too irresistible.

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    bgansel9 April 3, 2014 at 10:03 am #

    Reality Check: In response to a comment I left at the Arizonas Politics blog Mitch Martinson seems to think that the issue over the posse vehicles was a result of Brian Reilly’s coming forward.

    They may have had some help. I contacted EJ Montini at the Arizona Republic.

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    bgansel9 April 3, 2014 at 10:05 am #

    CarlOrcas: The Arizona Highway Patrol has a certified reserve unit but it also has a group of trained volunteers who patrol the freeways to handle vehicle assistance calls. They’re in a pick-up that says something about roadside help and they wear a sport shirt with the program name on it…..no gun belts, no guns, no badges……no confusion.

    I’ve also seen one of them picking up trash on a busy approach to a city street along I-17.

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    Curious George April 3, 2014 at 10:29 am #

    CarlOrcas,
    “I wouldn’t think so. Maybe Curious George can provide more details about what he’s heard.”

    I’m still looking for information regarding the alleged incident. So far, I can’t find a recent traffic accident report involving a Sun City or Sun City West Posse vehicle accident on a main highway called Bell Road.

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    CarlOrcas April 3, 2014 at 12:27 pm #

    RanTalbott: And I figured that the posse deputies almost certainly had done something more substantial, but the opening for the cheap joke was just too irresistible.

    It’s hard to avoid cheap jokes when talking about Arpaio’s follies.

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    CarlOrcas April 3, 2014 at 12:33 pm #

    Curious George:
    CarlOrcas,
    “I wouldn’t think so. Maybe Curious George can provide more details about what he’s heard.”

    I’m still looking for information regarding the alleged incident. So far, I can’t find a recent traffic accident report involving a Sun City or Sun City West Posse vehicle accident on a main highway called Bell Road.

    Is there a database of accidents by city/jurisdiction or something that includes everything in the county or state?

    If it’s by city/jurisdiction you could have at least two, maybe three or four possibilities along that section of Bell Road: MCSO, Surprise, maybe El Mirage and Phoenix.

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    Curious George April 3, 2014 at 1:16 pm #

    April 3, 2014: Suspension of all Posse vehicles county wide according to Sun City Posse.

    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2014/04/sheriff_arpaio_to_visit_posse.php

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    Rickey April 3, 2014 at 1:27 pm #

    Curious George:
    CarlOrcas,

    I’m still looking for information regarding the alleged incident. So far, I can’t find a recent traffic accident report involving a Sun City or Sun City West Posse vehicle accident on a main highway called Bell Road.

    As Carl says, Bell Road covers a lot of territory. I used to live a couple of miles south of Bell Road, near 59th Avenue and Greenway, but that was back in the late 70s. A lot has changed since then.

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    CarlOrcas April 3, 2014 at 1:32 pm #

    Curious George:
    April 3, 2014:Suspension of all Posse vehicles county wide according to Sun City Posse.

    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2014/04/sheriff_arpaio_to_visit_posse.php

    Here’s another one on the West Valley website:

    http://www.yourwestvalley.com/suncity/article_ef71f20e-baf3-11e3-897d-001a4bcf887a.html

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    Jim April 3, 2014 at 4:38 pm #

    Suppose to be a news conference around 3 there…tune in and watch Joe dance! :D

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    RanTalbott April 3, 2014 at 10:39 pm #

    Well, AZ’s Politics also reported, late last month, that Arpaio’s campaign for Governor is also shut down. Maybe: he sent out a fundraising appeal saying he’s decided to run for re-election, but only if enough of his audience claps.

    And sends money, of course.

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    RanTalbott April 6, 2014 at 5:37 am #

    Otoh, it appears that the Clueless Clown Posse has _not_ shut down. I thought it rather odd that the Twit Feed sidebar showed a couple of people promoting Gillar’s December video showing that he had learned how to use some text dissolve tools.

    But the other shoe has dropped: that latest BR story is a series of tweets from “Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office Cold Case Posse volunteer researcher/videographer and radio host Mark Gillar” (a title he doesn’t use, himself, because it would consume most of a tweet), in which he breaks the Exciting! New!! News!!! that Team Arpaio is going to unleash the shattering of the Universe “Between now and the midterms”.

    Except that, apparently, it’s no longer “Universe-shattering”: it’s been downgraded to “shocking revelations” that will “change America’s political landscape forever”. Which, iirc, is almost word-for-word what they said about the March 2012 presser.

    He also repeats what now appears to be the Official Excuse for Inaction™: “LFBC stuff would be out already if not for other crimes discovered.”

    And the hlarious finale is: “Believe it or not, the new stuff somewhat eclipses the LFBC crime. It’s that big.”

    Which means it could be even bigger than the fluff piece about Obama’s NCAA bracket choices that “somewhat eclipse[d]” their previous “shocking revelations”.

    So, I guess we can all relax, because “it’s been reported” that Zullo does _not_ intend to destroy the Universe.

    Which, by birther standards, means it must true.

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    Arthur April 6, 2014 at 12:28 pm #

    RanTalbott: he breaks the Exciting! New!! News!!! that Team Arpaio is going to unleash the shattering of the Universe “Between now and the midterms”.

    “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.”

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    nbc April 7, 2014 at 4:12 am #

    When will the Clown Posse admit that their ‘researchers’ got it all wrong about the PDF? Why is it so hard to admit that they have been wrong?

    That by itself undermines the little credibility the Clown Posse may have had left.

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    nbc April 7, 2014 at 4:13 am #

    Except that, apparently, it’s no longer “Universe-shattering”: it’s been downgraded to “shocking revelations” that will “change America’s political landscape forever”. Which, iirc, is almost word-for-word what they said about the March 2012 presser.

    They are slowly bringing their supporters in for a ‘soft landing’ when they finally release their ‘findings’. Nothing much will remain.

    It’s just that the clown posse is having a hard time accepting reality.

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    nbc April 7, 2014 at 4:19 am #

    The P&E reports that Gillar has identified the SSS, Obots, the DOH HI and the USPS as top candidates for criminal prosecution.

    Presumably because the SSS released the information about Obama during the Bush era, which shows that President Obama not only registered for selective services but also used the same SSN that has been assigned to him all to way to 2011. It is unclear if the SSN was changed to protect our President after some people in a rather irresponsible fashion pasted his SSN across the internet.

    This is so hilarious… the USPS :-) Shocking….

    Well, the P&E says it so we can safely disregard it.

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    RanTalbott April 7, 2014 at 4:57 am #

    nbc: When will the Clown Posse admit that their ‘researchers’ got it all wrong about the PDF?

    Watch thou the heavens, for I shall send thee a sign.

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    Bonsall Obot April 7, 2014 at 5:43 am #

    nbc:

    They are slowly bringing their supporters in for a ‘soft landing’ when they finally release their ‘findings’.

    I wish them luck with that; Mary Shelley wrote a book about it 200 years ago. It got good reviews.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater April 7, 2014 at 8:25 am #

    nbc:
    The P&E reports that Gillar has identified the SSS, Obots, the DOH HI and the USPS as top candidates for criminal prosecution.

    Presumably because the SSS released the information about Obama during the Bush era, which shows that President Obama not only registered for selective services but also used the same SSN that has been assigned to him all to way to 2011. It is unclear if the SSN was changed to protect our President after some people in a rather irresponsible fashion pasted his SSN across the internet.

    This is so hilarious… the USPS Shocking….

    Well, the P&E says it so we can safely disregard it.

    I’m sure there’s a lot more. I’m surprised he didn’t include the Supreme Court, Congress, President Bush and VP Cheney in his list.

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    Lupin April 7, 2014 at 8:30 am #

    nbc: When will the Clown Posse admit that their ‘researchers’ got it all wrong about the PDF? Why is it so hard to admit that they have been wrong?

    “…And the bezan shall be huge and black, and the eyes thereof red with the blood of living creatures, and the whore of Babylon shall ride forth on a three-headed serpent, and throughout the lands, there’ll be a great rubbing of parts…”

    Life of Brian, Scene 15.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) April 7, 2014 at 9:33 am #

    CarlOrcas: My guess is your friends may wear a shirt of some sort that says VIP or something like that.

    Those must’ve been the kind of “VIP’s” Zullo was talking about. With standing. As in “standing guard in front of an empty warehouse”.

    nbc: This is so hilarious… the USPS Shocking….

    Obviously they discovered that the USPS didn’t just swap the real birth certificate (the one that says “Birthplace: Hawaii … no, just kidding, we really meant Kenya”) but also swapped the Real Constitution – when George Washington mailed it to his wife for approval – for a fake one that didn’t include the “two citizen parents” and “of white skin colour” requirements.

    Yes, that’s gotta be it, the USPS (Union of Socialist Porn Seekers) was behind it all from the start! OMG! We better get packing because any day now!

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    Jim April 7, 2014 at 11:03 am #

    RanTalbott: Exciting! New!! News!!! that Team Arpaio is going to unleash the shattering of the Universe “Between now and the midterms”.

    Note they don’t happen to mention WHICH mid-terms…my money’s on the 2018. Any Year Now.

    nbc:
    The P&E reports that Gillar has identified the SSS, Obots, the DOH HI and the USPS as top candidates for criminal prosecution.

    Sounds like your basic CCP threat, we’re candidates for criminal prosecution but they can’t even come up with what crime we’ve committed. Maybe the used car salesman will charge us under laws he understands? Is there a lemon law for politics?

    nbc: It’s just that the clown posse is having a hard time accepting reality.

    Now, now…they’ve got their fake badges, their fake police cars, their fake titles, their fake evidence, and their fake accomplishments…what more reality do you want from them?

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 7, 2014 at 11:29 am #

    Well, I hope he prosecutes me, cause I could use a few hundred thousand dollars extra, courtesy of the people in Maricopa County who elected Arpaio.

    Jim: Sounds like your basic CCP threat, we’re candidates for criminal prosecution but they can’t even come up with what crime we’ve committed. Maybe the used car salesman will charge us under laws he understands? Is there a lemon law for politics?

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    CarlOrcas April 7, 2014 at 11:43 am #

    Nice job Doc,

    Here’s a piece from this morning in the Phoenix New Times that deals with Brian Reilly’s letter and more…..

    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2014/04/unmarked_posse_cars_to_ditch_g.php

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 7, 2014 at 12:01 pm #

    Well, if they have to repo his mustache to keep the “investigation” going, I know where Zullo can get a replacement on the cheap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBUZIwwP_VU

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