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Smith safe!

Amidst whoops of joy at OCT central, the following information was just received in response to my inquiry to the United States Embassy in the Dominican Republic:

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Transcribed text:

Good afternoon,

Please be advised that based on the information we have from the Dominican authorities, Mr. Smith is not facing extradition.

If we can be of further assistance do not hesitate to contact us.

Sincerely,

MC
Centro Consular de Atención al Cliente
Embajada de los Estados Unidos, Santo Domingo
Bureau of Consular Affairs, ensuring “Secure Borders, Open Doors”

What a relief!

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103 Responses to Smith safe!

  1. avatar
    Soduko April 23, 2014 at 6:09 pm #

    Wow! Loren must be the best lawyer EVER! Kenya caved just hear LDS was thinking of hiring him.

  2. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 23, 2014 at 6:57 pm #

    I am beginning to think Smith wasn’t completely honest with us…

  3. avatar
    Suranis April 23, 2014 at 7:04 pm #

    No! The Shock… I cant take it, goodbye cruel world *clutches chest and falls off the chair*

  4. avatar
    Reality Check April 23, 2014 at 7:20 pm #

    Darn it all. I was ready to launch the “Lucas Smith Legal Defense Fund Memorial Tiddlywinks Tournament”. It appears we will have to cancel the hall I rented and return all the party favors and decorations we bought.

    Bonsall Obot:
    I am beginning to think Smith wasn’t completely honest with us…

  5. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 23, 2014 at 8:06 pm #

    I was willing to pay half of the pro bono fee.

    Reality Check: Darn it all. I was ready to launch the “Lucas Smith Legal Defense Fund Memorial Tiddlywinks Tournament”. It appears we will have to cancel the hall I rented and return all the party favors and decorations we bought.

  6. avatar
    bgansel9 April 23, 2014 at 8:15 pm #

    He meant Iowa. You know, Kenya and Iowa are so easily mixed up.

  7. avatar
    bob April 23, 2014 at 8:44 pm #

    I’d love to see the letter written to the embassy that generated this wonderful response.

  8. avatar
    Reality Check April 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm #

    The sincerity of your offer is only exceeded by he, Lucas Smith’s veracity.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I was willing to pay half of the pro bono fee.

  9. avatar
    Arthur B. April 23, 2014 at 9:26 pm #

    On his site, Lucas says:

    “SMITH SAFE????

    US Embassy in Santo Domingo???

    This is another example of Americans not knowing (or basing everything they believe on movie) how things work in outside of the United States.

    I will report again tomorrow.”

  10. avatar
    Northland10 April 23, 2014 at 9:36 pm #

    If he keeps racking up warrants, the US may change their mind. He still has one from Florida for not paying a traffic fine. I thought he said he that it was excused, but it would appear, he was “mistaken.”

    Florida Department of Law Enforcement – Wanted Person
    Name:SMITH, LUCAS
    Nicknames:
    Aliases:
    Offense:Probation Violation
    Reporting Agency:HOLMES CO SO
    Agency Case #:1071CT
    Date of Warrant:07/21/2010

  11. avatar
    Dave April 23, 2014 at 10:30 pm #

    Me too. Maybe I’m being slow, but who sent the query that elicited that response?

    bob:
    I’d love to see the letter written to the embassy that generated this wonderful response.

  12. avatar
    gorefan April 23, 2014 at 10:55 pm #

    Arthur B.:
    On his site, Lucas says:

    “SMITH SAFE????

    US Embassy in Santo Domingo???

    This is another example of Americans not knowing (or basing everything they believe on movie) how things work in outside of the United States.

    I will report again tomorrow.”

    Maybe someone should contact the Kenyan Embassy to see if their trying to extradite Smith. If they’re not maybe they will just to get rid of him for awhile. It might be his only chance to go to Kenya.

  13. avatar
    Arthur B. April 23, 2014 at 10:58 pm #

    Dave:
    Maybe I’m being slow, but who sent the query that elicited that response?

    It’s not clear here, but in Doc’s posting to The Fogbow, he writes: “I just received the following (not a joke) reply from the US Embassy in the Dominican Republic.”

    I take that to mean it was Doc’s inquiry.

  14. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 24, 2014 at 5:36 am #

    He, Lucas Daniel Smith sez:

    I will report again tomorrow.

    “Once I’ve concocted a new lie to fit this information.”

    Bruce Steadman has to be the biggest sucker that was ever targeted by a con man… or a straw man created by Smith to prime the pump. Either way, anyone donating to Smith is a fool.

  15. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 24, 2014 at 7:47 am #

    I sent the query.

    Dave: Me too. Maybe I’m being slow, but who sent the query that elicited that response?

  16. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 24, 2014 at 7:58 am #

    Here it is:

    Hi,

    I would like to inquire about a fellow U.S. citizen, Lucas Daniel Smith, who is reporting that he is currently facing extradition from the Dominican Republic to Kenya, on charges of bribery.

    He states that he was arrested by Dominican authorities in February 2014 and incarcerated until March 2014, when he was released on bond.

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/lucas-daniel-smith-arrested-2014-for-extradition-to-kenya/

    He further stated late last week that his extradition to Kenya may be
    imminent:

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/extradition-to-kenya-may-be-immenent/

    Has the U.S. embassy been notified of this process by Dominican and/or Kenyan authorities, or by Mr. Smith himself? Is it accepted procedure for a foreign country, such as Kenya, to extradite a U.S. citizen while abroad? The nature of his extradition story appears unusual, and Mr. Smith has been suspected of fabricating stories before (as you can see, even his blog title has a conspiracy theme), but I wanted to inquire into his story first to see if it had any merit.

    Thank you in advance,

    Kevin Davidson

    bob:
    I’d love to see the letter written to the embassy that generated this wonderful response.

  17. avatar
    gorefan April 24, 2014 at 11:04 am #

    Bonsall Obot: Bruce Steadman has to be the biggest sucker that was ever targeted by a con man… or a straw man created by Smith to prime the pump. Either way, anyone donating to Smith is a fool.

    Could Steadman be a shill?

  18. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 24, 2014 at 11:52 am #

    gorefan: Could Steadman be a shill?

    If he exists, I think it equally possible that he’s a shill or the world’s derpiest dupe.

  19. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 24, 2014 at 12:07 pm #

    I understand the suspicion. That microscopic photo of Steadman on a boat on his Facebook profile could be intentionally unrecognizable, but Bruce Steadman is for real. I know people who know him. Trust me on this one.

    Bonsall Obot: If he exists, I think it equally possible that he’s a shill or the world’s derpiest dupe.

  20. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 24, 2014 at 12:25 pm #

    Am I the only one who’s reminded of this, every time Steadman’s name is mentioned? http://www.metatube.com/en/videos/5509/Oprah-and-Stedman-TV-Funhouse-Cartoon/

  21. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 24, 2014 at 12:27 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I understand the suspicion. That microscopic photo of Steadman on a boat on his Facebook profile could be intentionally unrecognizable, but Bruce Steadman is for real. I know people who know him. Trust me on this one.

    If that’s the case (and I trust you implicitly, of course,) then he’s a willing shill or just another victim of Smith’s life of lies. And if it’s the latter, it’s because he wants to believe what is demonstrably false.

  22. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 24, 2014 at 12:32 pm #

    The same can be said for everything birther.

    Bonsall Obot: And if it’s the latter, it’s because he wants to believe what is demonstrably false.

  23. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 24, 2014 at 12:38 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    The same can be said for everything birther.

    Ain’t that the truth!

    I won’t be surprised if Smith just drops off the web for a while, you know, long enough for people to stop talking about this little episode. At that point he’ll probably scrub certain articles and pretend the events therein NEVER happened. Then it will be back to business as usual. He’ll proclaim that his absence was do to some sooper, seekrit research project, deep in the heart of Kenya.

  24. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 24, 2014 at 12:38 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    The same can be said for everything birther.

    This is true, but almost no Birfer is willing to spend a dime on her or his fantasies (which is a rather telling data point in itself.)

  25. avatar
    bob April 24, 2014 at 12:50 pm #

    Thanks for posting your letter. Well written (as to be expected), but I’m a little surprised you got a response.

  26. avatar
    Rickey April 24, 2014 at 1:00 pm #

    Bonsall Obot:
    I am beginning to think Smith wasn’t completely honest with us…

    This on top of the fact that his “extradition hearing” video is actually of some random Dominican being questioned about his work history. Did Lucas really believe that no one who is fluent in Spanish would ever translate it?

  27. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 24, 2014 at 1:12 pm #

    I wonder if there is some martyr complex at work here, like with batty chick who keeps claiming that she forged Obama’s birth certificate.

  28. avatar
    Dave April 24, 2014 at 1:27 pm #

    I guess I’m a little surprised to hear that you can ask an embassy if an unrelated third party is facing extradition, and get an answer. I would have expected them to consider that confidential — but now that I think of it, I don’t know what I based that expectation on.

  29. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 24, 2014 at 1:51 pm #

    Me too.

    Dave: I guess I’m a little surprised to hear that you can ask an embassy if an unrelated third party is facing extradition

  30. avatar
    Greatkim April 24, 2014 at 3:25 pm #

    Dave:
    I guess I’m a little surprised to hear that you can ask an embassy if an unrelated third party is facing extradition, and get an answer. I would have expected them to consider that confidential — but now that I think of it, I don’t know what I based that expectation on.

    why should it be confidential ?
    all Dominican extradition proceedings can be found here:
    http://www.suprema.gov.do/consultas/jurisprudencia/consulta_decisiones_extradicion.aspx

  31. avatar
    JoZeppy April 24, 2014 at 3:26 pm #

    Dave: I guess I’m a little surprised to hear that you can ask an embassy if an unrelated third party is facing extradition, and get an answer. I would have expected them to consider that confidential — but now that I think of it, I don’t know what I based that expectation on.

    There’s nothing that is actually confidential about an extradition hearing. In fact, the whole process is pretty much done in the wide open, so there would be no expectation of privacy. It stats off with charges being filed in one country. Sure, in extreme situations you will have an occasional sealed indictment, and thing might be done on the hush hush, but you’re talking more on the lines of an international terrorist than a low level sex offender and con-man. Once the target of an indictment is known to have fled, usually the country have him added to the Interpol Red Notice list. Something that everyone, including you or me, has access to:

    http://www.interpol.int/notice/search/wanted (you will note the lack of a Red Notice for LDS).

    And when they hunt him down in a country they have an extradition treaty with, they publicly ask for his extradition….Just think back to how public the attempt to extradite Roman Polański from Switzerland was. Nothing secretive about it, so why woudn’t the embassy confirm details of a very public process?

  32. avatar
    Arthur B. April 24, 2014 at 6:06 pm #

    Bruce at Lucas’s::
    Hmmmmmm!

    Well ‘bob’ — there’s your answer!

    I think it helps greatly to explain the puzzling reply provided by the U.S. Embassy in Santo Domingo in response to Dr. Conspiracy’s inquiry.

    The clever Dr. Con sure does know how to stack the deck in his favor.

    —– Links to the WasObamaBornInKenya website in the inquiry, with the Embassy reporting to Obama?

    Nah – No bias introduced there! (extreme sarc)

    Give me a freakin’ break!

    Lord, what a chowderhead!

    The Embassy has to lie in writing to conceal the fact that Lucas is being extradited from DR to Kenya because Obama.

  33. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater April 24, 2014 at 6:30 pm #

    Rickey: This on top of the fact that his “extradition hearing” video is actually of some random Dominican being questioned about his work history. Did Lucas really believe that no one who is fluent in Spanish would ever translate it?

    Yes I most certainly think he did. Lucas is a lazy grifter. He probably never thought anyone would question his kenya forgery either. Or that no one would question the video he claimed was from his trip to kenya when it was actually taken in the DR

  34. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 24, 2014 at 7:15 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Yes I most certainly think he did.Lucas is a lazy grifter.He probably never thought anyone would question his kenya forgery either.Or that no one would question the video he claimed was from his trip to kenya when it was actually taken in the DR

    Part of Lucas’s problem is that he’s using antiquated methods, and doesn’t bother covering his tracks, probably because he doesn’t know how. Maybe 30 some odd years ago, his forgeries and faked videos might have held up better, but this is the age of the internet. You can check the veracity of something in SECONDS, if you know how. With the high sorcery that is Google, its even easier.

  35. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 24, 2014 at 7:37 pm #

    Problem is, in the old days, you could run a con that couldn’t be traced until it was too late, but even then, you had to have personality to sell the the story. I’m talking Paper Moon, I’m talking The Sting, I’m talking Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. All those guys were crooks, but they were charmers. He, Lucas Daniel Smiff, has the personality of a wet sock. He couldn’t pull off a successful grift in any era.

  36. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 24, 2014 at 7:39 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:

    deep in the heart of Kenya.

  37. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 24, 2014 at 7:44 pm #

    Bonsall Obot:
    Problem is, in the old days, you could run a con that couldn’t be traced until it was too late, but even then, you had to have personality to sell the the story. I’m talking Paper Moon, I’m talking The Sting, I’m talking Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. All those guys were crooks, but they were charmers. He, Lucas Daniel Smiff, has the personality of a wet sock. He couldn’t pull off a successful grift in any era.

    Yeah, that’s true. A good conman has a trustworthy look about him. Everything about Smith, in every photo I’ve ever seen of him, says “I’m shifty and untrustworthy! Also, you probably shouldn’t leave me alone with small children.” Everything from his posture, to the look in his eyes.

  38. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 24, 2014 at 7:47 pm #

    Shoot, the BBCode left off my joke; it should have read:

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:

    deep in the heart of Kenya.

    Clap clap clap CLAP!

  39. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 24, 2014 at 7:56 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:

    A good conman has a trustworthy look about him.

    Short, of course, for “confidence man.”

    Of all the feelings he, Smiff, inspires, confidence ain’t on the list.

  40. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 24, 2014 at 8:26 pm #

    Bonsall Obot: Short, of course, for “confidence man.”

    Of all the feelings he, Smiff, inspires, confidence ain’t on the list.

    Yeah, there’s all sorts of creepy going on there. Almost “uncanny valley” creepy!

  41. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 24, 2014 at 8:31 pm #

    Yeah, how does bias against Smith turn into “no extradition”?

    If Smith were being extradited to Kenya, then the Embassy would surely know all about it and his birtherism and my links to his site would have not informed them.

    If Smith were not being extradited to Kenya, then the Embassy told the truth.

    Either way, nothing I said changed anything.

    Arthur B.: The Embassy has to lie in writing to conceal the fact that Lucas is being extradited from DR to Kenya because Obama.

  42. avatar
    Notorial Dissent April 24, 2014 at 10:37 pm #

    In answer to an earlier question by Rickey, yes, I do think LDS figured that the video would pass, since he thinks everyone is as smart as Steadman, I mean all of his other terribly cunning plans have worked out so well for him. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater is partially right, none of the birfers every challenged or questioned any of his previous efforts, but then they had a vested interest in them being true, so no real effort was made. However, in the real world, it doesn’t work out quite that easily. And yes, I agree, Smith is a lazy, which also translates to sloppy, grifter.

    Actually there is every reason that the US Embassy would most certainly know about an extradition hearing, since Smith is at least allegedly still a US citizen, they would also most likely have been notified by the authorities to begin with, and would have someone there on the Embassy’s behalf, since they are supposed to be looking out for citizen’s interests, not that there is really a whole lot they can do. I would equally suspect that there is some officer, probably quite junior, whose responsibility it is to keep abreast of the judicial matters that might affect a citizen. FWIW, the embassy reports to the State Department, and not the President, and despite Smith’s puffed up ego, I doubt seriously if any of them ever heard of him or his website. His criminal convictions in the US are almost certainly another matter. In any case, if someone were trying to extradite him, there realistically isn’t much if anything the embassy can do for or against it, since it is a sovereign action of a foreign state within their own territory. They can officially protest and that is about it.

    They also get asked from stateside all the time to help locate citizens in country whose families have lost contact with them. So they do a lot of communicating about various things, including legal matters.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Yeah, that’s true. A good conman has a trustworthy look about him. Everything about Smith, in every photo I’ve ever seen of him, says “I’m shifty and untrustworthy! Also, you probably shouldn’t leave me alone with small children.” Everything from his posture, to the look in his eyes.

    I’d say more slimy than anything else, like something you wouldn’t want to get too close to on the bus or in a crowd.

    Smith is just busy trying to alibi his way out of his latest lie, and it really isn’t working at all well for him this time, and there is always the possibility that he may have just worked himself out of a safe haven in the process.

  43. avatar
    Rickey April 24, 2014 at 11:12 pm #

    Notorial Dissent:

    Smith is just busy trying to alibi his way out of his latest lie, and it really isn’t working at all well for him this time, and there is always the possibility that he may have just worked himself out of a safe haven in the process.

    Apparently his latest excuse is that he was caught recording the “hearing” and had to cut it off before his name was mentioned.

    This of course begs the question – if he was the subject of the hearing, why was he sitting in the spectator section?

  44. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) April 25, 2014 at 4:19 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: He probably never thought anyone would question his kenya forgery either.

    He probably thought he could sell it for $$$ quickly and not that it would be trotted out in the blogosphere.

    Rickey: Apparently his latest excuse is that he was caught recording the “hearing” and had to cut it off before his name was mentioned.

    Remember that the audience for his claims isn’t us, it’s the dimwits who are intended to fall for his con. (Thanks to Doc for the insightful link to the article from that Microsoft guy about why Nigerian scammers say they’re from Nigeria. :))

  45. avatar
    Greatkim April 25, 2014 at 5:40 am #

    If Smith were being extradited to Kenya, then the Embassy would surely know all about it and his birtherism and my links to his site would have not informed them.

    If Smith were not being extradited to Kenya, then the Embassy told the truth.

    Either way, nothing I said changed anything.

    Doc you might be interested in knowing that the Dominican Supreme Court has exclusive jurisdiction over all extradition proceedings. No other court is competent.

    Codigo Procesual Penal de la Republica Dominicana

    http://www.consultoria.gov.do/leyes/Ley%20No.%2076-02%20que%20establece%20el%20C%F3digo%20Procesal%20Penal%20de%20la%20Rep%FAblica%20Dominicana.pdf

    pls note art. 70 – Suprema Corte de Justicia –

    point 6: del procedimento de solicitud de extradicion

    also read art 170. Extradicion Activa (extraditions FROM RD)

    also have a look at all extradition proceedings completed by the SCJRD
    http://www.suprema.gov.do/consultas/jurisprudencia/consulta_decisiones_extradicion.aspx

  46. avatar
    faceman April 25, 2014 at 7:06 am #

    Capt Kirk, trying to explain why Mr Spock seemed a little strange:

    “He took too much LDS in the sixties”

  47. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 25, 2014 at 7:14 am #

    And if he’s not mentioned in the recording, then why post it?

    It would seem to me that if Smith had just kept his mouth shut, instead of bragging on the Internet, he could have gotten away with his scam undetected.

    Rickey: This of course begs the question – if he was the subject of the hearing, why was he sitting in the spectator section?

  48. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 25, 2014 at 8:29 am #

    faceman:
    Capt Kirk, trying to explain why Mr Spock seemed a little strange:

    “He took too much LDS in the sixties”

    Ironically, the tall tales Kirk was trying to tell in that movie, are about as flimsy as Smith’s.

  49. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater April 25, 2014 at 8:49 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    And if he’s not mentioned in the recording, then why post it?

    It would seem to me that if Smith had just kept his mouth shut, instead of bragging on the Internet, he could have gotten away with his scam undetected.

    That’s the problem though he subconsciously wants recognition for his cons. Smith thinks he’s a bigger player in the birther movement than he actually is. My question now is whatever happened to the supposed wife he had? Where is she in all of this?

  50. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater April 25, 2014 at 8:49 am #

    And now Lucas is going to grace us with a 10 part series on extradition in the DR to totally bury us with nonsense so we’ll forget about his lie.

  51. avatar
    Northland10 April 25, 2014 at 8:58 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    And if he’s not mentioned in the recording, then why post it?

    It would seem to me that if Smith had just kept his mouth shut, instead of bragging on the Internet, he could have gotten away with his scam undetected.

    “And the only words there spoken were the whispered words, `Attention Whore!’

    This I whispered, and an echo murmured back the words, `Attention Whore!’

    Merely this and nothing more.”

  52. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 25, 2014 at 10:12 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater:
    And now Lucas is going to grace us with a 10 part series on extradition in the DR to totally bury us with nonsense so we’ll forget about his lie.

    Yup! He’s pulling a “If I make this about something completely unrelated to me, people will forget that I’m such a horrible lair!”

  53. avatar
    Rickey April 25, 2014 at 10:37 am #

    The Magic M (not logged in):

    Remember that the audience for his claims isn’t us, it’s the dimwits who are intended to fall for his con. (Thanks to Doc for the insightful link to the article from that Microsoft guy about why Nigerian scammers say they’re from Nigeria. :))

    Agreed. The difference is that the Nigerian scammers are too smart to waste their time dealing with people who aren’t likely to fall for the scam. When Lucas posts here, it is counterproductive for two reasons. One, nobody here is going to fall for his nonsense, so he is wasting his time. Two, we not only don’t fall for his nonsense, we actively debunk it.

  54. avatar
    Reality Check April 25, 2014 at 11:37 am #

    Methinks Doc got under the little faker’s skin.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater:
    And now Lucas is going to grace us with a 10 part series on extradition in the DR to totally bury us with nonsense so we’ll forget about his lie.

  55. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater April 25, 2014 at 11:49 am #

    Reality Check: Methinks Doc got under the little faker’s skin.

    Yep Lucas is accusing the US Embassy of lying, accusing Doc C of faking the document response from them or faking his email to them. Doc just blew his lie wide open.

  56. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 25, 2014 at 12:07 pm #

    Well, anybody can email the embassy to verify my response (SDOAmericans@state.gtov). I think that Lucas Smith is not 100% correct in his analysis of Obot psychology and that he might well have calculated that I wouldn’t contact the embassy directly, and indeed this is not something I would typically have done. I’m more of a Google warrior, but in this case I did something more, and Smith got burned. It reminds me of a comment Smith made a long time ago in conjunction with calling Kenya and asking about Obama being born at the Coast Hospital: he said that if we called, we wouldn’t be unable to communicate because of the accent. He thinks he’s a worldly guy and the rest of us are not. What he doesn’t understand that not all Obots are the same.

    So the “Doc lied” gambit simply won’t work because it’s easy to check. The part about the embassy lying is equally absurd: why would they lie? Also, that’s easy to check as well. Anybody who speaks Spanish can call the Supreme Court in the Dominican Republic and ask of there is any extradition proceeding for Smith.

    Smith is relying on an assumption that Bruce Steadman will not take that step–and in that he may be right.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Yep Lucas is accusing the US Embassy of lying, accusing Doc C of faking the document response from them or faking his email to them. Doc just blew his lie wide open.

  57. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 25, 2014 at 12:32 pm #

    Please accept my apologies. I THOUGHT YOU WERE JOKING.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: And now Lucas is going to grace us with a 10 part series on extradition in the DR to totally bury us with nonsense so we’ll forget about his lie.

  58. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 25, 2014 at 12:41 pm #

    I made a brief foray over to Smith’s blog and noticed that he had asked how long the response from the Embassy took. I left this comment:

    Mr. Smith asks about the email response time from the US Embassy in Santo Domingo. I sent my email inquiry to the them at 6:55 PM on April 21.

    My inquiry to SDOAmericans@state.gov was answered by an immediate auto-responder message that said:

    Thank you for contacting the American Citizen Services (ACS) Section of the U.S. Embassy in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.

    If your inquiry has to do with an American citizen emergency, please call us immediately at (809)221-2171 For after hours emergencies you may also call (809) 221-2171, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

    If your inquiry is specific in nature and cannot be answered by the information on our website, we will answer it within two business days. …

    On April 22, I received a manual reply saying that my question had been forwarded to the the “corresponding unit” for review. Finally the published response was received at 2:10 PM on April 23. Getting an answer took 2 days.

    A quick scan of his article pointed out the need for a spell check.

  59. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 25, 2014 at 1:50 pm #

    Smith can’t stand that the feds don’t know or care who he is, but that he’ll be nabbed whenever he tries to enter the US anyway because his unrelated warrants are in their database.

    Unknown, unloved and unwanted is no way to go through life, son. Mend your criminal ways.

  60. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater April 25, 2014 at 3:48 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Please accept my apologies. I THOUGHT YOU WERE JOKING.

    Unfortunately enough I wish I was joking. Smith actually said he’s doing a 10 part series.

  61. avatar
    Jim April 25, 2014 at 4:47 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Unfortunately enough I wish I was joking.Smith actually said he’s doing a 10 part series.

    Awwwwww, he’s feeling unloved. Now that he’s got our attention, he’s going to try and keep it. Sorry Lucas, not interested in your imaginary story of DR history.

  62. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 25, 2014 at 4:58 pm #

    10-part series? So what? Shelves of books have been written about extradition and the treaties related to them, none of which apply to he, Lucas Smiff, who is not being extradited by any government on the planet.

  63. avatar
    JoZeppy April 25, 2014 at 6:24 pm #

    And of course, through this 10 part series, at no point will he actually be offering any real evidence of his extradition…you know, like an actual extradiction request from Kenya, or any court documents from the proceedings. That would just be far too easy, and eliminate the need of a 10 part series….by, you know, actually providing evidence that there is an extradition proceeding.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) April 26, 2014 at 3:51 am #

    JoZeppy: like an actual extradiction request from Kenya

    Of course that one is being hidden by teh Almighty Konspeeracee because usurper, or something.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Smith actually said he’s doing a 10 part series.

    After his long unnumbered series on “99 reasons why official documents have typos and therefore my fake BC with the administrator misspelling his own name is real”, he’s obviously going to follow up with “99 reasons why US embassies can’t be trusted and therefore my extradition case is real”.

  65. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater April 26, 2014 at 1:35 pm #

    Lucas is now making the silly claim that Guards outside the gates of the US Embassy in Dominican Republic don’t speak english. Except for well you know the job postings that they have on the embassy site say otherwise
    http://santodomingo.usembassy.gov/vacancies2.html

  66. avatar
    gorefan April 26, 2014 at 2:04 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Lucas is now making the silly claim that Guards outside the gates of the US Embassy in Dominican Republic don’t speak english.

    Did I read that right? He is claiming that American citizens can’t go into the American Embassy in Santo Domingo.

  67. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater April 26, 2014 at 2:16 pm #

    gorefan: Did I read that right?He is claiming that American citizens can’t go into the American Embassy in Santo Domingo.

    Yes he did say that. And a lot of the employees inside don’t speak english

  68. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 26, 2014 at 2:51 pm #

    Currently listening to yesterday’s episode of The World of Phil Hendrie; it’s eerie how similar he, Lucas Smiff, is to Don Parsley.

  69. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 26, 2014 at 3:09 pm #

    This is possibly a ploy to dissuade Bruce Steadman from phoning the embassy.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Yes he did say that. And a lot of the employees inside don’t speak english

  70. avatar
    Arthur April 26, 2014 at 3:15 pm #

    Bonsall Obot: Currently listening to yesterday’s episode of The World of Phil Hendrie;

    Good to see another fan of the brilliant Phil Hendrie.

  71. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 26, 2014 at 3:19 pm #

    Arthur: Good to see another fan of the brilliant Phil Hendrie.

    Are you subscribed to his new show? Two hours daily of uncensored Phil & the gang. I do miss the credulous callers of the old days, though; that was unmatched brilliance.

  72. avatar
    Arthur April 26, 2014 at 9:08 pm #

    Bonsall Obot: Are you subscribed to his new show?

    No, I haven’t signed up yet, but I always enjoyed his shows on the radio. I’ll have to take a look at his web site.

  73. avatar
    ZixiOfIx April 27, 2014 at 11:09 pm #

    How does one manage to rack up so many arrest warrants?

    Aside from two minor moving violations which were paid immediately, have never had any contact with law enforcement at all, except when I had to have fingerprints taken for a federal background check.

    Basically, though, year in and year out, no contact at all. I assume most people would share my experience. No contact for years and no warrants/tickets/arrests.

    Northland10:
    If he keeps racking up warrants, the US may change their mind.He still has one from Florida for not paying a traffic fine.I thought he said he that it was excused, but it would appear, he was “mistaken.”

  74. avatar
    Judge Mental April 28, 2014 at 9:29 am #

    First of all let me preface this comment with a reminder, for those who have never communicated with me before, that I am a Brit who has spent nearly 40 years living and working as an expatriate in assorted countries of the world.

    Secondly let me also make it clear that I do not believe a single word of Smith’s story about facing extradition from DR to Kenya.

    That being understood, in my fairly lengthy experience of embassies/consulates (which includes knowledge of the experience of many American friends while they were working/living in the same foreign countries as me), I’m not clear on why it seems to be being tacitly assumed by some that the US Embassy in DR would automatically be informed or even know whether extradition of an American temporary visitor to DR was being sought by any third party country.

    It is quite possible, some might even say ‘probable’ (certainly the latter as far as some of the countries that I have lived in) that such an extradition proceeding would only come to the attention of the US Embassy in a foreign country if the US citizen being extradited, or his family or friends on his behalf, personally sought US Consular assistance regarding legal advice and representation etc. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the US Embassy in question in any other circumstances.

    If no contact requesting Consular assistance has been made with the US Embassy in DR by Smith or anyone else on his behalf, to be fair I can actually quite readily see how someone in the US Embassy Consular section to whom English is a second language, might answer Doc’s letter in that way.

    I haven’t read all the history of this episode, but I am assuming that Smith has not made any claim that he or anyone on his behalf has already asked for US Consular assistance. If on the other hand Smith has already previously claimed to have contacted the US Embassy about this matter, then obviously please disregard these comments. Sorry for not having the time right now to read the whole rigmarole.

  75. avatar
    Bonsall Obot April 28, 2014 at 10:04 am #

    While I understand the points you’ve made, Judge, they’re not exactly on point:

    1. At the risk of sounding like a Birfer, there is a world of difference between “(B)ased on the information we have from the Dominican authorities, Mr. Smith is not facing extradition” (which locution indicates that they have, in fact, received information from the Dominican authorities,) and some other phrasing such as “we have received no information to indicate &c.,” which locution could signal that they have had no communication with the DR at all in this matter.

    2. Given that Smith has presented a ridiculously forged document composed in less-than-fluent Spanish, and misrepresented a completely unrelated video, both in support of his claim that he is “being extradited” for an incident only he has claimed to have even occurred (which claim he refuses to substantiate with the most trivial of documentation,) it’s much more plausible to believe that he’s lying (again) than to believe that some sort of secret extradition proceedings are being conducted without the knowledge of the State Department.

    3. Given the relationships between the US and Kenya, and between the US and the DR, I think it unlikely that either Kenya or the DR would participate in such an action without so much as a courtesy notification to the State Department; when it can be avoided, smaller states don’t tend take such measures without at least the tacit approval of the US. If your experience differs, I’ll defer yo your judgment, but my (admittedly more limited) experience is that there’d at least be a message to the effect of “we’re nabbing this fella, unless that’s a problem.” If this is not the case, I’d still refer to paragraphs 1 and 2 above.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) April 28, 2014 at 10:45 am #

    Bonsall Obot: it’s much more plausible to believe that he’s lying (again) than to believe that some sort of secret extradition proceedings are being conducted without the knowledge of the State Department

    But the latter fits better with a conspiracist worldview, and conspiracy believers are LDS’ target audience.

    And of course since in the real world it would be much easier to “disappear” LDS than to subject him to some “secret extradition proceeding” that allows him to fight his deportation to usurperland, it’s also obvious conspiracy believers will suck it up because in their theory the conspiracy is always omnipotent but also totally incompetent (I propose the word “omnincompetent” to denote the quality of failing wherever possible in the most spectacular way).

  77. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 28, 2014 at 11:41 am #

    A document that purports to describe a request for extradition from the Kenyan National Intelligence Service to the Dominican National Police — the wrong agencies according to statutes in both countries.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2014/03/why-did-bruce-steadman-give-lucas-daniel-smith-5800/#update2

    I don’t know which is more stupid: Steadman falling for it, or Smith putting it on the Internet.

    Bonsall Obot: Given that Smith has presented a ridiculously forged document

  78. avatar
    Reality Check April 28, 2014 at 12:34 pm #

    Smith says he pulled the purported “extradition document” from SCRIBD on advice of counsel yet he was negotiating to have Loren Collins represent him. Also, his claim that the US embassy in SD on recently required guards to speak English is easily disproved. I found a job posting for a guard from the US embassy in El Salvador from 2009 that required guards to have at least a level I (rudimentary) proficiency in English. That is identical to the current requirement at the DR US embassy.

    Smith keeps spinning a web of lies that is easily unraveled.

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    The European April 28, 2014 at 2:49 pm #

    Doc, Miri commented on her/his blog to your remark about her/him from March 29 here

    Why did Bruce Steadman give Lucas Daniel Smith $5,800?

    Maybe you owe something.

    Miri | March 30, 2014 at 10:43 am | Reply

    For what it’s worth:

    I have no clue who Bruce Steadman is, nor do I know Lucas Daniel Smith, other than that he’s a personality on the Web. From what I can see, Steadman has commented here a grand total of TWICE (11/2010 and 12/2011).

    We’re agnostic about these Kenyan birth certificates, as anybody who reads this blog would know. I don’t know who “Falcon” is, either. I’m not associated in any way with the Birther Report, other than that sometimes, if their stories interest me or our readers, I will link to them.

    It’s no “coincidence” that I “immediately” commented after somebody whose comment I likely MODERATED, as I’m an author and moderator on this blog. Gee. I supposed it’s a “pervasive coincidence” when Dr. Conspiracy comments after somebody who just commented on his own blog. DUH.

    As for photos, if I find an interesting and pertinent photo on an image search, I might link to it or use it for educational purposes to illustrate a point. I’ve linked to White House photos, too. And Huffpo photos. And even FactCheck photos. I link to whatever I can find on the Web that suits my purposes.

    Like Dr. Conspiracy, we try to keep open minds and are fascinated by this topic of Obama’s origins and his ever-shifting biography.

    Also for what this is worth, if anybody writes any comments here threatening violence to ANYONE, that person will NEVER get through moderation and if it’s someone who already was given the privilege to comment here, then the privilege will be rescinded ASAP.

    I don’t appreciate anybody trying to connect me to someone who threatens violence, even if only by innuendo. So far as I know, this guy in question has NEVER commented here and likely would never be allowed to, based upon the comments cited by Dr. Conspiracy. If, however, he uses a different pseudonym, then I’d have no way of knowing and, in addition, since I don’t know his IP# or email address, I wouldn’t be able to connect the dots, anyway.

    Another for what it’s worth: We’re also still waiting for the “universe shattering” information, but, speaking for myself, with

  80. avatar
    Thinker April 28, 2014 at 4:06 pm #

    Level 1 proficiency is enough to be able to communicate in English in uncomplicated situations with an interlocutor who has a lot of patience. I would not characterize someone with Level 1 proficiency as being able to speak English. I wouldn’t even characterize them as being conversant in English. FWIW, when I lived in Ecuador in the early 1990s, there were some people who worked in the US Embassy, the US Consulate, and the Peace Corps Office in Quito who did not speak English. In Ecuador, it’s hard to find English-speakers to work as guards and drivers because they generally have the skills to get much better jobs.

    Reality Check:
    Smith says he pulled the purported “extradition document” from SCRIBD on advice of counsel yet he was negotiating to have Loren Collins represent him. Also, his claim that the US embassy in SD on recently required guards to speak English is easily disproved. I found a job posting for a guard from the US embassy in El Salvador from 2009 that required guards to have at least a level I (rudimentary) proficiency in English. That is identical to the current requirement at the DR US embassy.

    Smith keeps spinning a web of lies that is easily unraveled.

  81. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 28, 2014 at 4:41 pm #

    Hey, thanks for that. I just visited there and left a comment to, I hope, clear up any misunderstanding.

    The European: Doc, Miri commented on her/his blog to your remark about her/him from March 29 here

  82. avatar
    Reality Check April 28, 2014 at 4:48 pm #

    Now we are talking about degree. Smith’s statement was that none of the guards at the embassy speak English and threatened to shoot him when he approached. This sounds on face completely ridiculous. I would think all he would have to do is flash his American passport (you know the one that has no evidence he has ever been to Africa) and he would be allowed in for whatever business he wanted to conduct.

    This is just another Smith lie piled on top of his other lies.

    Thinker: Level 1 proficiency is enough to be able to communicate in English in uncomplicated situations with an interlocutor who has a lot of patience

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    Thinker April 28, 2014 at 6:48 pm #

    Maybe other people who are familiar with the FSI rating of language skills can opine on this, but I would not characterize someone with a Level 1 proficiency as being able to speak English. If the guards at the US Embassy in Santo Domingo had Level 1 proficiency, I would say Smith’s characterization that they don’t speak English is accurate. Having said that, we don’t know what the actual level of proficiency of the guards is. Someone posted on Smith’s blog that the position currently requires a Level 3 proficiency. Orly Taitz’s English is probably slightly better than a Level 3 proficiency. She makes a lot of mistakes, but she usually gets her point across.

    Reality Check:
    Now we are talking about degree. Smith’s statement was that none of the guards at the embassy speak English and threatened to shoot him when he approached. This sounds on face completely ridiculous. I would think all he would have to do is flash his American passport (you know the one that has no evidence he has ever been to Africa) and he would be allowed in for whatever business he wanted to conduct.

    This is just another Smith lie piled on top of his other lies.

  84. avatar
    Keith (not logged on) April 28, 2014 at 8:01 pm #

    gorefan: Did I read that right?He is claiming that American citizens can’t go into the American Embassy in Santo Domingo.

    Us citizens can’t go into the us consulate in Melbourne and every one speaks English.

    (Actually we can, but the hours are extremely limited, an appointment is required for all but the most trivial thing, like to pick up a form).

    Insulates
    Consulates and embassies are not clubs for citizens. They are places of business.

  85. avatar
    bovril April 28, 2014 at 8:16 pm #

    Hi Keith,

    So I’m not the only Obot in Melbourne….admittedly I’m only here until Friday but it shows the global reach of Soros and the Obot fraternity….. 8-)

  86. avatar
    Keith April 28, 2014 at 10:52 pm #

    bovril:
    Hi Keith,

    So I’m not the only Obot in Melbourne….admittedly I’m only here until Friday but it shows the global reach of Soros and the Obot fraternity…..

    Whatcha doin? Enjoying the rain?

  87. avatar
    Keith April 28, 2014 at 10:54 pm #

    Keith (not logged on): Insulates and embassies are not clubs for citizens. They are places of business.

    That was supposed to be CONSULATES, not INSULATES. Darn predictive text keyboards.

    Does sound like a descriptive Freudian Slip though.

  88. avatar
    Jim April 28, 2014 at 11:18 pm #

    Reality Check:
    threatened to shoot him when he approached.

    I’d threaten to shoot him before I’d let him near my house…don’t see any problem with others seeing what an ******* he is.

  89. avatar
    bovril April 28, 2014 at 11:53 pm #

    Keith: Whatcha doin? Enjoying the rain?

    Buggers are making me work for a living, staying at the Westin, office on Bourke Street.

    Arrived Sunday 05:30 turned into a lovely sunny day, now I’m glad I packed the brolly.

  90. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG April 29, 2014 at 12:23 am #

    Jim: I’d threaten to shoot him before I’d let him near my house…don’t see any problem with others seeing what an ******* he is.

    I wouldn’t shoot him, that’s what the cops are for.

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    Majority Will April 29, 2014 at 4:27 am #

    ZixiOfIx:
    How does one manage to rack up so many arrest warrants?

    Aside from two minor moving violations which were paid immediately, have never had any contact with law enforcement at all, except when I had to have fingerprints taken for a federal background check.

    Basically, though, year in and year out, no contact at all. I assume most people would share my experience. No contact for years and no warrants/tickets/arrests.

    Obviously, you’re not an incompetent, sociopathic con artist or identity thief.

  92. avatar
    Thomas Brown April 29, 2014 at 9:00 am #

    bovril: Buggers are making me work for a living, staying at the Westin, office on Bourke Street.

    Arrived Sunday 05:30 turned into a lovely sunny day, now I’m glad I packed the brolly.

    Is brolly another word for bumberchute?

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    Keith April 29, 2014 at 11:27 pm #

    bovril: Buggers are making me work for a living, staying at the Westin, office on Bourke Street.

    Arrived Sunday 05:30 turned into a lovely sunny day, now I’m glad I packed the brolly.

    Get your hosts to take you to Attica. Top restaurant in Australia, and in the top 30 in the world.

    (actually they would have had to plan it about 4 months in advance, so I guess I’m wasting your time there).

    I’d be glad to buy you a beer somewhere, but I’m “as flat out as a lizard takin’ a drink at the moment”. Maybe next time you’re in town..

  94. avatar
    bovril April 29, 2014 at 11:51 pm #

    Look forward to it Keith, no idea when next in Melbourne, probably when there’s another OMG WTF moment…….

  95. avatar
    Reality Check May 1, 2014 at 9:07 am #

    Since Smith and Steadman are reading this thread and lifting comments to repost them on Smith’s blog is there anyone here who doesn’t think Smith is a lying sleazeball on the extradition and everything else?

    This is particularly directed at Thinker and Judge Mental.

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    JoZeppy May 1, 2014 at 12:58 pm #

    Judge Mental: That being understood, in my fairly lengthy experience of embassies/consulates (which includes knowledge of the experience of many American friends while they were working/living in the same foreign countries as me), I’m not clear on why it seems to be being tacitly assumed by some that the US Embassy in DR would automatically be informed or even know whether extradition of an American temporary visitor to DR was being sought by any third party country.

    No one is stating they would be automatically informed. That is not the case here. Doc asked, the consulate said they followed up with DR authorities, and the DR authorities said there is nothing. Upon request of the consulate (or citizen in custody), DR authorities are required by treaty to inform the consulate of any proceedings in their country invovling foreign citizens.

    Judge Mental: It is quite possible, some might even say ‘probable’ (certainly the latter as far as some of the countries that I have lived in) that such an extradition proceeding would only come to the attention of the US Embassy in a foreign country if the US citizen being extradited, or his family or friends on his behalf, personally sought US Consular assistance regarding legal advice and representation etc. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the US Embassy in question in any other circumstances.

    Except that the email clearly states they contacted DR authorities. The implication is that DR authorities flatly lied to the US consulate, in direct violation of international law. I would say that is highly “unprobable.”

    Judge Mental: If no contact requesting Consular assistance has been made with the US Embassy in DR by Smith or anyone else on his behalf, to be fair I can actually quite readily see how someone in the US Embassy Consular section to whom English is a second language, might answer Doc’s letter in that way.

    You are assuming the person responding to this email would be a DR national, rather than a US citizen in the Foreign Service. In all of my interactions with US consulates abroad, and foreign consulates and embassies in the US, is except for the most mundane tasks, employees of the consulates tend to be nationals of that country.

  97. avatar
    Thinker May 1, 2014 at 6:17 pm #

    LOL. I don’t have “Lima Syndrome.” Lucas Smith is a lifelong criminal and con artist. I think the Kenya extradition story is complete BS and I think Smith is a lying sleazeball. I just happen to know a bit more about the FSI language proficiency scale than most people because the Peace Corps uses it to assess volunteers’ proficiency in host-country languages and I was a Peace Corps volunteer.

    And, lest LDS get the impression that I believe his story about the guards’ language proficiency, I want to be clear that I did not say that I believed him. I said that I think his assertion that the guards did not speak English would be correct if the guards had Level 1 proficiency in Spanish. I don’t know what their actual proficiency is. He might be lying. He might not be. It has no bearing on my belief that his Kenyan extradition story is complete fiction.

    Reality Check:
    Since Smith and Steadman are reading this thread and lifting comments to repost them on Smith’s blog is there anyone here who doesn’t think Smith is a lying sleazeball on the extradition and everything else?

    This is particularly directed at Thinker and Judge Mental.

  98. avatar
    Crustacean May 1, 2014 at 7:28 pm #

    Thinker: I just happen to know a bit more about the FSI language proficiency scale than most people because the Peace Corps uses it to assess volunteers’ proficiency in host-country languages and I was a Peace Corps volunteer.

    Thank you for your service, Thinker!

    That line is usually reserved for military vets, but PCV’s deserve recognition, too.

  99. avatar
    Thinker May 1, 2014 at 8:40 pm #

    Thanks. I worked on drinking water systems in the Andes of northern Ecuador in the early 1990s. Given that you used the abbreviation PCV for Peace Corps Volunteer–something only someone very familiar with the Peace Corps would do–I’m guessing you or someone close to you must have been a Peace Corps Volunteer.

    Crustacean: Thank you for your service, Thinker!

    That line is usually reserved for military vets, but PCV’s deserve recognition, too.

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    Crustacean May 2, 2014 at 1:21 pm #

    Thinker: I’m guessing you or someone close to you must have been a Peace Corps Volunteer.

    Belize, ’87-’89 :)

  101. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG May 3, 2014 at 5:57 pm #

    LOL! Smith is now claiming that Loren is a conman, for doing the things that an attorney is supposed to do.

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    Majority Will May 3, 2014 at 6:31 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    LOL! Smith is now claiming that Loren is a conman, for doing the things that an attorney is supposed to do.

    Quelle surprise. :roll:

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater May 3, 2014 at 6:44 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    LOL! Smith is now claiming that Loren is a conman, for doing the things that an attorney is supposed to do.

    Yep he talked to a bunch of “attorneys” in the US who told them they didn’t need any documentation of his extradition or any proof of the crimes he committed before taking up his case. Also as a client Lucas claims Loren has to do whatever he tells him to do.