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Had a ton of fun last night learning to play on my six-string and sing that “new” Woody Guthrie song, “Old Man Trump,” that’s been making the rounds lately. In case you aren’t up to speed, here’s what I’m talking about: http://www.npr.org/2016/01/22/464013683/aint-got-no-home-why-woody-guthrie-despised-donald-trumps-father
The lyrics were never published, but they’re sung to the tune of another old Guthrie song, “I Ain’t Got No Home.” Punk/folk artist Ryan Harvey (with help from Ani DiFranco and Tom Morello) has created a version that’s available on iTunes.
For those of you who like to play music, this is a fun one to sing. I have found it to be an almost therapeutic way to deal with my Trump Derangement Syndrome. I’ll put the lyrics and chords below. The chorus is played the same as “I Ain’t Got No Home” but for the other verses I am going with the Harvey/DiFranco/Morello recording, figuring it out the best I could.
Note: Harvey changed Guthrie’s lyrics a little, with the line “Beach Haven is Trump’s Tower where no black folks come to roam.” Here I changed it back to Guthrie’s original “Beach Haven is like heaven where no black ones come to roam.” Of course, you can sing it “any way you please”. Enjoy!
G
I suppose that Old Man Trump knows just how much racial hate
……C…………………………G
He stirred up in that bloodpot of human hearts
………….D
When he drawed that color line
…………………………………….G
Here at his Beach Haven family project
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Beach Haven ain’t my home!
……C…………………….G
No, I just can’t pay this rent!
My money’s down the drain,
………..D
And my soul is badly bent!
………G
Beach Haven is like heaven
……………C………………………G
Where no black ones come to roam,
No, no, Old Man Trump!
…………….D………………..G
Old Beach Haven ain’t my home!
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I’m calling out my welcome to you and your man both
C……………………………………G
Welcoming you here to Beach Haven
…………….D
To love in any way you please and to have some kind of a decent place
………………………………..G
To have your kids raised up in.
—————————–
Beach Haven ain’t my home!
No, I just can’t pay this rent!
My money’s down the drain,
And my soul is badly bent!
Beach Haven is like heaven
Where no black ones come to roam,
No, no, Old Man Trump!
Old Beach Haven ain’t my home!
Repeat first verse, followed by the chorus two more times.
Nate Silver officially released his predictive model for the 2016 election. He gives Hillary Clinton an 80% chance of winning the election.
Those are pretty good odds for a non-incumbent. Didn’t President Obama’s chances in 2012 peak around 60%?
Yes, but in 2012 the opposition wasn’t a thin skinned, money grubbing, mob connected, lying, conspiracy promoting, paranoid, narcissistic, evil, ill-tempered, snake oil selling rapist whose presidency could very well bring about the end of civilization. Twenty percent still sounds too high for my peace of mind.
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Funny, I just spent the last week listening to a wonderful collection of Woody Guthrie recordings, and I was so wishing there was a recording of Old Man Trump!
Yeah, it’s a shame he never recorded it. But if he had, I’m sure it would just be “I Ain’t Got No Home” with the Old Man Trump lyrics inserted somewhere.
Ryan Harvey’s version is a rockin’ number (no one rocks like Tom Morello!), but if you want to hear a more traditional acoustic version, closer to Woody’s style, the Missin’ Cousins do a very fine job: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jANuVKeYezs
Well yes obviously. My question was purely rhetorical.
Orly, and a lot of Trump supporters, are bellyaching that the “corrupt globalist media” is suppressing a Rasmussen poll that shows Trump with a 4 point lead over Clinton. Apparently, this is the one reliable poll. All the dozens of others showing Clinton ahead (including at least 4 other polls ALSO from Rasmussen), are wrong.
These people are all so strange. It’s not just that they dislike Hillary Clinton. It’s that they literally can’t even conceive of anybody (aside from a tiny extreme minority) liking her. All facts supporting such a thing is immediately dismissed as biased, wrong, manipulated, or whatever.
Nate Silver gives Rasmussen a C+ rating, making it one of the worst of the national pollsters. Rasmussen also has on average a 2% bias in favor of Republican candidates.
I’ve heard those allegations before. I’m willing to give Rasmussen the benefit of the doubt, mostly because it’s still pretty irrelevant to Trump’s standings.
When, at his launch speech a year ago, Trump trashed Mexicans and said he would build a wall, he was setting the conditions for his later conflict-of-interest claim: 1) “He’s Mexican” 2) “I’m building a wall.”
For clarity’s sake, Trump should have said: 1) “He’s Mexican” 2) “HE KNOWS I’m building a wall.” But he didn’t. Nor did he mention that Judge Curiel had issued a half dozen rulings against him before he ever said anything about building a wall, which means that none of those six rulings could have been prejudiced by an announcement he hadn’t yet made.
In other words, one more scam. Where’s the allegedly liberal media on this?
I mentioned in the other thread that Roger Stone went to the same high school as me. I didn’t know him, as he was in eighth grade when I was a senior. He has never met a conspiracy theory for which he couldn’t figure out a way to make some money. Two years ago he wrote a book in which he claims that LBJ ordered the assassination of JFK.
Donald Trump – Judge Curiel – Partial chronology
1) 21 Feb 2014 Judge Curiel certified class action status of Makaeff fraud lawsuit against Donald Trump and Trump University (“Trump”).
http://zhlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Order-re-Class-Cert-2-21-14-Dkt-298.pdf
2) 21 Feb 2014 Judge Curiel denied Trump motion to dismiss Cohen lawsuit alleging Trump violated RICO- Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (“RICO Statute”), 18 U.S.C. § 1962(c).
http://zhlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Order-Denying-MTD-and-Motion-to-Strike-2-21-14-Dkt-21.pdf
3) 17 Jun 2014 Judge Curiel dismissed Trump defamation countersuit against plaintiff Makaeff.
http://zhlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Order-Granting-Anti-Slapp-06-17-14-Dkt-328.pdf
4) 27 Oct 2014 Judge Curiel certified class action status of Cohen RICO lawsuit against Trump.
http://zhlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Order-Granting-Class-Trump-RICO.pdf
5) 16 Dec 2014 Judge Curiel denied Trump motion to compel plaintiff Makaeff to produce attorney time records relating to Trump defamation countersuit.
http://www.litigationandtrial.com/files/2016/06/Curiel-deny-motion-for-attorney-time-records.pdf
6) 9 Apr 2015 Judge Curiel awarded plaintiff Makaeff $798,779.21 for fees and costs incurred in defending against Trump defamation countersuit.
http://www.litigationandtrial.com/files/2016/06/Curiel-anti-SLAPP-fee-award.pdf
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16 Jun 2015 Trump announced he would build a wall on the Mexican border and deport millions of immigrants and said Mexico was sending their criminals, rapists and drug traffickers to the US.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/donald-trump-announces-presidential-bid-trashing-mexico-mexicans-n376521
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7) 18 Nov 2015 Judge Curiel denied Trump motion for summary judgment against plaintiff Makaeff.
http://www.litigationandtrial.com/files/2016/06/Curiel-Trump-U-MSJ-Order.pdf
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28 Feb 2016 Interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday. Donald Trump: “I think the judge has been extremely hostile to me. I think it has to do with perhaps the fact that I’m very, very strong on the border. Very, very strong on the border. And he has been extremely hostile to me. This is a case that in our opinion should have been won a long time ago. It’s a case that we should have won on summary judgment….we have a very hostile judge. Now, he is Hispanic, I believe. He is a very hostile judge to me. I said it loud and clear.”
Trump vs Curiel, recommended reading: “Recusal: Analysis of case law”
http://www.fjc.gov/public/pdf.nsf/lookup/recusal.pdf/$file/recusal.pdf
“Personal attacks on the judge.
Upholding a refusal to recuse
where the litigant had verbally attacked the judge in public, the
First Circuit noted that “‘[a] party cannot force disqualification by
attacking the judge and then claiming that these attacks must have
caused the judge to be biased against [her].’” Indeed, where a
party argued that the judge’s ongoing hostility toward him required
recusal, the Third Circuit held that the party’s own public hostility
toward the judge (including writing a letter to a Supreme Court
justice urging punishment of the judge) counseled against recusal,
“lest we encourage tactics designed to force recusal.”
p 32
“Timeliness of Motion
While section 144 explicitly requires a “timely” affidavit, section
455 has no equivalent provision. All the circuits that have considered
the question, however, agree that a party may not hold back “a
recusal application as a fall-back position in the event of adverse
rulings on pending matters.”2 6 9 Most circuits require that a motion
for disqualification be brought “at the earliest possible moment after
obtaining knowledge of facts demonstrating the basis for such a
claim.”2 7 0 “[A] party having information that raises a possible
ground for disqualification cannot wait until after an unfavorable
judgment before bringing the information to the court’s attention.”
p 62
“The Fifth Circuit has noted that “[t]he most egregious delay—
the closest thing to per se untimeliness—occurs when a party
already knows the facts purportedly showing an appearance of impropriety
but waits until after an adverse decision has been made
by the judge before raising the issue of recusal.””
p 63
I picked up a conspiracy theory on Twitter: Trump gave up being a birther after being awarded a lucrative GSA contract, a contract so the story goes that would be invalid if Obama was proven ineligible.
Dirk is probably Sven/Alexander Hamilton
You will most likely never convince me that Cuba’s Ted Cruz was a better option.
Me either.
Donald Trump only regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist, birther and egomaniac who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion, including the top minority owner of his favorite media network and other business associates he claims to be ‘great friends’ with — from entering the U.S. and insulted every other ‘minority’ demographic including Jews, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Women and Scots.
Cuban-American Cruz on the other hand is evil incarnate.
Jeb Bush was the only Republican who put his hand up who was not completely batshit insane; instead he was just a totally incompetent meathead.
How low can they go? The Party of Lincoln no longer exists and America is the poorer for the lack of a sane alternate.
Oops. I meant “Cuban-Canadian Cruz” in the above post.
I suppose it should be “Cuban-Canadian-American” Cruz, but I have never seen any evidence that he is actually an American.
BREAKING NEWS:
“Federal investigators are recommending that no charge be filed against Hillary Clinton or her aides over her use of private e-mail while secretary of state, according to bureau director James Comey.
“Comey said Tuesday in Washington that ‘our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case ‘despite evidence that Clinton and her staff were ‘extremely careless in their handling of highly classified information.’”
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-07-05/comey-says-no-clinton-charges-recommended-despite-carelessness
How could Judy have gotten it so wrong?
Watch the right claim that it was Bill’s influence that stopped all this.
That was a rhetorical question, right?
Correct. While I’m not expecting an answer, I assume everyone familiar with Judy has a ready answer to give.
Clinton repeats that Obama was born in Hawaii; WND’s headline: Clinton goes birther.
So, according to WND, you are a birther if you believe Obama was born in Hawaii.
One of Judy’s many delusions was that Hillary would be indicted and the Democrats would turn to him as their candidate.
When you Goggle “Cody Robert Judy” the fourth result still is JUDY PLEADS GUILTY TO `BOMB’ THREAT | Deseret News.
So I guess Judy has at least one thing in common with Bernie Sanders…
It’s fascinating how birthers try to distance themselves from birthing by claiming that Clinton started it.
I don’t think it is “distancing” so much as trying to pass it off as mainstream.
Trump’s ‘birther’ crusade was a scam wrapped in a con
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trumps-birther-crusade-was-scam-wrapped-con
Obama/Allen never set foot in Hawaii until 1985.
I continue to be fascinated by Orly’s interpretation of polls. See the below chart for the poll numbers and Orly’s interpretation:
If Trump is ahead by 1% — “Trump is ahead!”
If Trump is ahead by > 1% — “Trump is ahead, but the corrupt biased globalist media aren’t reporting it!”
If Clinton is ahead by 1% — “Trump and Clinton are in a statistical tie!”
If Clinton is ahead by > 1% — “Clinton is ahead of Trump according to biased polls by the corrupt globalist media who are manipulating the numbers to fit their narrative.”
Orly keeps going on these rants about how polls showing Clinton ahead (by more than 1%) are biased because the pollsters are polling more men than women, or more non-whites than whites, or more Democrats than Republicans. But don’t pollsters just grab a random sample, get these demographic facts during the poll, and incorporate that into their findings? Like… they’re not trying to get more Democrats than Republicans, but during the course of the survey, more respondents identified as Democrats than Republicans. It’s like if you dropped 50 red marbles and 50 blue marbles into a bowl, then blindly withdrew 20 marbles at random. It’s highly unlikely you’d end up with exactly 10 blue marbles and 10 red marbles.
Taitz’s interpretation of polls is highly amusing. It is also painfully clear that she has never taken even a single class in statistical analysis. Her Taitzsplaining the accuracy of polls is classic Dunning–Kruger.
If anyone is interested in a detailed analysis of political party affilation:
http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/
Here’s an excerpt: A Deep Dive Into Party Affiliation
Sharp Differences by Race, Gender, Generation, Education
Democrats hold advantages in party identification among blacks, Asians, Hispanics, well-educated adults and Millennials. Republicans have leads among whites – particularly white men, those with less education and evangelical Protestants – as well as members of the Silent Generation.
A new analysis of long-term trends in party affiliation among the public provides a detailed portrait of where the parties stand among various groups in the population. It draws on more than 25,000 interviews conducted by the Pew Research Center in 2014, which allows examination of partisan affiliation across even relatively small racial, ethnic, educational and income subgroups.
The share of independents in the public, which long ago surpassed the percentages of either Democrats or Republicans, continues to increase. Based on 2014 data, 39% identify as independents, 32% as Democrats and 23% as Republicans. This is the highest percentage of independents in more than 75 years of public opinion polling.
When the partisan leanings of independents are taken into account, 48% either identify as Democrats or lean Democratic; 39% identify as Republicans or lean Republican. The gap in leaned party affiliation has held fairly steady since 2009, when Democrats held a 13-point advantage (50% to 37%).
The Human Eggplant scores another metaphor:
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/06/herpes-jerome-corsi-never-completely-goes
An article in which the author, born in Japan to two US citizen parents, asserts he is not a natural born citizen:
http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20160701_Commentary__What_it_means_to_be_a_citizen.html
Guest appearance in comments by David Farrar.
That article quotes the New York Times as saying, “Mr. Trump also said repeatedly that he had sent a team of investigators to Hawaii to unearth information about Mr. Obama’s birth records.”
But the only instance I can find where he makes this claim is the Meredith Vieira interview, and even there he only says that these unnamed “people” were “studying” the issue. It was Vieira who offered up the “down there, searching… in Hawaii?” part.
My guess is that when he said, “I have people…” he was referring to Joseph Farah, WND, etc. But Vieira gave him an opportunity to sound more “in charge” by implying that he personally dispatched investigators.
As Doc put it so well in his 4/20/11 article, “When you listen closely to the NBC interview with Meredith Vieira, where Trump initially mentions “people”, it becomes clear (at least to me) that he doesn’t necessarily employ investigators in Hawaii, even though he seems happy to leave that impression.”
There was a hearing in the Melendres case today, and another one scheduled for the 22nd. There is internal Obot chatter on the question of whether Mike Zullo will get caught up in the judgment or its aftermath. My opinion is that the answer is “no.” It does seem that various Internal Affairs investigations that were mishandled in the past will be re-opened. That is a big can of worms.
See: http://kjzz.org/content/332038/end-sheriff-arpaio%E2%80%99s-civil-contempt-case-looms-another-could-be-horizon
I think the biggest threat to Zullo is that if there is an IA investigation into the Seattle Operation he is sure to be included. The result could be that he loses his badge, title, old Lincoln cruiser and free gasoline.
Here is a personal example of complete something-or-other (I want to say cognitive dissonance, but it ain’t that) leading to confusing eyebrow-raising and mind-bending miscommunication.
For the last couple of days I have been reading articles about some people, seemingly even more confused than I am (was), complaining that the “BLM” is racist.
I spent a great deal of time trying to figure out how in the heck they came to that conclusion or why even bring it up.
What the heck has the Bureau of Land Management done to draw such criticism? Is Cliven Bundy claiming the BLM is made up of First Nation Activists trying to drive out the white eyes? It was a really weird line of thought.
Then I got it.
Never Mind
I have to say that I can’t figure out how some people think that there is an invisible word (‘Only’) at the front of the BLM slogan, when it is very clear by the words and deeds of all those involved that the invisible word is at the end of the slogan (‘TOO’).
Apuzzo filed a petition to SCOTUS on June 28 in Elliot v Cruz. That was the Pennsylvania case that they lost. I really need to update my scorecard on Apuzzo. I think this one will make 13 or 14 in a row that he will have lost.
Docket
Apuzzo’s still filing nonsense?
Unreal.
Yup. He also claims that he is still appealing his own ballot challenge in New Jersey.
The Cruz challenge in Utah is pending in 11th Cir.
IIRC, posse members aren’t subject to IA discipline.
I believe they are listed as “employees” although not paid. Unless they are specifically excluded I would think they could be subject to discipline of some sort. Of course the worst that could be done is to kick them off the posse.
If I were to wager once the final order comes out and Judge Snow sets up the new oversight and IA rules Zullo’s days as CCP commander are numbered.
Yes, and I imagine some dropped 2 or 3 grand to pay for the printing and filing costs.
On the “birthers around the world” theme, the latest on the claims that Venezuelan president Maduro was actually born in Colombia, and therefore not eligible: The Foreign Ministry of Colombia sent a letter to Venezuela giving its official statement that there is no evidence that Maduro was born in Colombia.
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Colombia-to-Venezuela-Opposition-Head-Maduro-Is-Not-Colombian-20160628-0032.html
For those who might be interested in the truth about President Owens and his forged documents:
Title: Nancy Ruth Owens First Half Hour Micro Effect Upload 7/7/16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-9-fiMCDbk
That’s the issue: If the sheriff is the one who kicks off the posse members, then Zullo has nothing to fear as long as Arpaio is the sheriff.
A thought occurred to me recently.
In an election year, you hear, from time to time, a story about a “gaffe” that one of the candidates has made. A gaffe is of course, a stupid or reckless thing that the candidate says unintentionally which hurts him politically. But Donald Trump, he hasn’t really made any gaffes. Because he just says stupid, politically costly things intentionally.
On another note, I’ve always respected Republican presidents and Republican presidential candidates, even though I didn’t support them or agree with them politically. They always seemed like fundamentally decent people who just thought differently than me, and I like to think I’m a tolerant enough person that I can separate a person from his political views. But Donald Trump is just such an all around awful person in so many ways. He’s a bully. He can dish it but he can’t take it. He built his entire campaign on stoking hatred of people who are different. He takes pride in ignorance and a refusal to learn. He takes pride in possessing all the most awful traits of humanity.
I kinda don’t see why the head of the Republican party doesn’t just ditch the guy. What exactly does nominating a candidate for a major party entail? Right now there are 51 ballots with a blank space for “Republican candidate”. What process do they follow to get that blank space changed to “Donald Trump”? I assume there’s some paperwork to be filed? Just say “screw the delegates”, and put some other name on there. Politically costly, but is it illegal?
The Republican Party is a private organization which can do whatever it pleases. They have rules, but those rules can be changed, so I don’t see how anything they do to change their rules could be illegal.
I just received a phone call from someone from the RNC, asking for my support. I told him that Trump is a blowhard who also happens to be totally unqualified and a racist, xenophobic misogynist. He replied, “If Hillary wins, it will be the end of country.” I burst out laughing and told him “Thanks for the warning.”
It’s a defect in the human genome that causes many homo sapiens to think they know what other homo sapiens are thinking when they really have no clue. It usually manifests itself in the form of fistfights, divorces, and crazy political views (see Birthers). However, in extreme cases, if left untreated, it can cause world wars.
Newest Internet fad: modifying Calvin and Hobbes comics. The dialogue is completely unchanged but Calvin’s face is changed to that of Donald Trump.
Google “Donald and Hobbes” to see some.
Here’s the gallery for those interested
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/nw9TX
Amazing photo
http://www.santiagoborja.com/pacific-storm/
Over at the Immigrationprofblog, the most common age in the U.S., by race and ethnicity, in 2015:
http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/immigration/2016/07/most-common-age-in-us-by-race-and-ethnicity.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2FnZuo+%28ImmigrationProf+Blog%29
Huge difference from white to Hispanic.
Doc,
RE: Your BirtherReport comment (12 hours ago):
“My question is whether Mike Zullo stole Stephen Coffman’s theory of the Selective Service forgery without attribution, or Stephen Coffman steal Mike Zullo’s Selective Service forgery theory without attribution.”
My question is:
Who is Stephen Coffman?
FYI district court ruling in Trump bound/unbound delegate case.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3174287/Correll.pdf
I think it’s some attempt to latch onto a moral high ground in the situation. Everyone agrees racism is bad, and I see people use racism as a cudgel to criticize in a lot of situations it isn’t appropriate. Whites and minorities too. Which is unfortunate because racism exists, but it gets so drowned out by people crying wolf that it affects credibility. I mean, I have my own problems with the Black Lives Matter movement, but I never thought it was racist, or that it was stating that only black lives mattered.
Well, one COULD type “Stephen Coffman” in this site’s search box and get the answer. That’s what I do first when I have a question.
The next pathetic moron to get ret-conned into Nancy Ruth Owen’s pedophilic murder fantasy.