Right-wing blogs are reporting that Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, the army doctor who failed to report for duty because he — well because he’s a birther — will be on the Anderson Cooper 360 program on CNN Friday, May 7 (moved from May 6) at 10 PM EDT. Cooper’s program, noted for calling birthers “stupid,” may prove hostile territory for our Lt. Col. Let’s see who is the better prepared.
CNN video podcasts for the show are available and should appear within a day or two.
What did Lakin, willing to risk his career to take down the President, do when given the chance in court at a preliminary hearing do defend his views and move the process along? He asked for a postponement. Is this about truth, or dragging out the news cycle for political advantage?
Too bad the news cycle is not interested
isn’t CNN part of the news cycle ?
Lakin’s site is touting the Cooper interview, what are the odds that it will be touted tommorow?
John Martin Hemingway died, he was son of Hemingway the attorney. The initial claims on wing nuts sites was that this was an Obama hit job, a murder, shot for political reasons. Mrs Hemingway who acts as Lakin’s spokeswoman says this was not related and is not a murder. The Hemingway family clearly stated this was not a murder. The response by idiot birthers should affect the family as to the kind of idiots they have been supporting. The Hemingways deserve our sympathy and respect. What really takes the cake is that those who found that the “murder” was a false story did not even apologize to the Hemingway family, in fact Freepers are still saying Obama had it done!
Hating Obama causes severe brain damage.
after Cooper starts the questioning Lakin will get upset and walk out. That will end the inreview so there won’t be an interview.
just an educated guess
My prediction. Anderson Cooper will at least one question of Lakin for which his lawyer will respond, “I’ve advised my client not to answer that.” He’ll say something about covering it in the trial.
Lawyer Jensen jumped in there even more than I expected. My prediction about how birthers will react:
1) Anderson kept saying certificatE not certificatION. He doesn’t know the difference.
2) Lakin wasn’t saying Obama’s not a “native born citizen,” he’s saying he’s not a “natural born citizen.” Anderson should know the difference.
I got in on it late. Lakin brought his lawyer who did most of the talking. Cooper nailed the Lawyer, but the lawyer lied his way out.
The lawyer pulled that old saw about anybody can get a Hawaiian birth certificate by just filling out a form. Cooper said that such a certificate wouldn’t say that the person was born in Hawaii. The lawyer cited HRS §338-17.8 and said that there was nothing in that statute about what Cooper said (that it would state the true place of birth). While technically correct that §338-17.8 doesn’t say that, the law does say that the birth certificate is prima facie evidence of the facts it states. It is also the case that the law cited was passed in 1982, 21 years after President Obama’s birth was registered in Hawaii. So the lawyer lied.
I didn’t catch it.
Did Jensen push his usual talking point, about what a great travesty of justice it will be “if” he doesn’t get to argue the President’s legitimacy?
And did Cooper point out that of course he won’t get to argue it because it’s completely irrelevant?
Just finished watching Cooper’s interview with Lakin. Lakin’s lawyer is 900% birther, which means Lakin will go down hard. Lakin’s only hope is to get rid of this numb lawyer. Copper made them both look foolish. Wow, that lawyer is going to destroy Lakin.
Anderson was very firm in stating what he believed were the facts, and the lawyer was countering Anderson at every turn. He waived a piece of paper with HRS §338-17.8 to prove to Anderson that you can register a foreign birth in Hawaii. As Dr. C. said, Jensen neglected to mention the statute was passed in 1982.
Anderson was really frustrated that he couldn’t get very many answers out of Lakin. His lawyer wouldn’t let him answer whether or not he asked for birth certificates of any of his other superiors. They tried to duck the issue with the assertion that the President’s birth is a matter in the Constitution.
I couldn’t take my eyes off Jensen’s crooked mouth. I kept thinking all he needed was to add a hump and he’d be Quasimodo. I know that’s awful of me, but his mouth and his body language were very distracting. He leaned so far to his left I thought he’d tip over. He’s definitely not a lawyer made for television.
I saw the interview and it was dejavu again.
The lawyer reminded me of Phil Berg, the same pig face. lol!
I didn’t see the interview (I will)but I have seen several…categorically wrong…opinions on COLB vs Long Form Original…I know y’all hate this…but this is the case…..
In 1961 it took only one “witness” to attest to a birth…and a COLB would be issued. This was however NOT considered “proof” until very recently (I think 2008). The COLB alone didn’t evensuffice on its on for Native born homestead exemptions. Additional evidence was required
That is the way it is…if allowed Lakin will create havoc for Lil’ Barry.
Don’t feel bad. I was thinking the same thing.
What are you talking about?????? A witness for a hospital birth?
Addressing your last sentence, “if allowed” is going to be a serious sticking point for Lakin. See e.g. here or here.
The short answer is, there is no chance Lakin will even get to discuss the President’s eligibility, because it has no relevance to his case.
Yes, whether or not the parents were Hawaiian born
If the simple answer is: “he has an original birth cert” (which has the raised seal of the county within the state born even in 1961)to produce, why hasn’t he simply had to have shown it to become POTUS and make everyone’s question of his US birth go away? What does he have to hide?
The obvious answer is that Obama published the only birth certificate Hawaii issues on his web site, with the raised seal of the state and the signature of the head of vital statistics, and published this on his web site almost 2 years ago.
And anyway, if he produced the certificate, and by come miracle Lakin conceded that it proved Obama was born in Hawaii, he would just go to his next false objection, that Presidents have to have US citizen fathers.
Unfortunately for Lakin, the simple answer is that the President’s eligibility actually has no bearing on his case, so it won’t be discussed at his trial.
HolyRoller: This was however NOT considered “proof” until very recently (I think 2008).
And why do you think that is true? It really doesn’t further the discussion to claim something without any background.
nemocapn: I couldn’t take my eyes off Jensen’s crooked mouth.
I couldn’t take my eyes off Jensen’s crooked words.
P.S. Very gratifying to see AC360 get his feathers all ruffled up tonight with that interview (with his obvious opinion of the subject matter)!!!
Lakin’s lawyer kept doing the same thing Taitz is doing – trying to shift the burden of proof away from the ‘accuser’ to the ‘accused’. In other words, ‘I think he is a martian – it is up to him to prove to me he is not, or else he must be a usurper’.
Basically, what Lakin believes but is not saying verbatim, is that the Obama COLB must be forged, therefore the President must be guilty of fraud. That is the essence of it all – not ‘we need proof’ – but ‘we don’t believe the proof provided’. Even if this issue were to get to trial, the court would place the burden of proof on Lakin – period. No suppositions or suspicions – that is not how it works. Proof.
And lastly, why is it that none of the Media folk interviewing Birfers – when confronted with the ‘Hawaiian statute allowing anyone to get a BC’ ever respond with the fact that the law was not enacted until 1982. Seesm that would shut blowhard lawyers like Lakin’s up. (Then again, probly not…)
If you don’t follow the eligibility, the redacted COLB shown by AC, with its big, black rectangle prominently displayed, looked suspicious.
Also, you can’t see the raised seal with the redacted COLB.
Other than that, it look like a typical hit job by the media trying to perpetuate the myth BO has proven his natural born citizenship status.
No, if anything, it looked like Anderson Cooper had them for lunch and called the birthers out on the carpet constantly for their insanity and false information.
“So the lawyer lied.”
He opened his mouth, didn’t he?
Also, you can’t see the raised seal with the redacted COLB.
Cooper showed the raised seal and cert no. on Obama’s BC on a previous program. Keep up will ya.
nope….many were at home births….many more were foreign births. The COLB was very easily obtained.
we will see….I know it has the Obamamohammed community on edge.
nope…as usual a completly clueless Obamamohammed.
Lil’ Barry is a FRAUD.
because it was not sufficient to prove native birth. Many foreign born children got Hawaiian COLB’s issued.
You are dense….common Obamamohammed trait. Anyone can get a copy of the original certificate…if there is one.
then please show us an example from the multitude of people that can get “a copy of the original certificate” in hawaii from 2006 to present….. ????
Why the obamamohammed thing? My nephew has a Pakistani dad he has rarely seen. Guess what his middle name is? The great “M” name. So what? When I see comments like that I become more firm in my conviction that the President should never even consider this idiocy which is based on ethnic paranoia. My nephew, by the way, is not a Muslim either. He’s a great kid and about as American as you can get. Get over your fixation with ethnicity. By the way, just so you know my background, I am a practicing theologically Conservative Christian. Like Billy Graham I stand alone on the Gospel of Christ.
If y’all ain’t to nervous to read….check this out…whether you like or not…agree or not….here is the legitimate concerns that Lakin will present.
Gonna get LOTS of attention…
Lil’ Barry and his loyal Obamamohammeds are gonna pee on themselves…Tingles Matthews will be the first.
It’s gonna be a hoot and a holler
Left off the link above…started laughing too hard…but here you go kids…I sugguest y’all fire up the Hopium filled Nobel Peace Pipes before reading…if not it’s gonna make blood pressure rise.
HolyRoller: Anyone can get a copy of the original certificate…if there is one.
And you know this because….?
HolyRoller: because it was not sufficient to prove native birth. Many foreign born children got Hawaiian COLB’s issued.
That’s wrong on two counts. The state of Hawaii issues a “Certification of Foreign Birth” to foreign births, not a “Certification of Live Birth”. Second, there was no foreign registration in 1961 when Obama was registered.
You are behind the times…Obamahomammed (a buzz word since 2008) isn’t a muslim name…It means…”Members of The Cult of Obama”.You know…
…True Believers….Glassy-eyed-groupies…Hopium Addicts….Is Obama The Messiah Group.
Several on here are without question….Obamamohammeds. Check this link out.
HolyRoller: many were at home births….many more were foreign births.
– Number of home births in Honolulu in 1961: 14
– Number of foreign registrations in Hawaii in 1961: 0
– Proving a birther clueless: Priceless
The number of births outside a hospital is from Table 3-1 in Vital Statistics of the United States – 1961 – Volume I — Natality. The number of foreign registrations is based on the fact that the out of state registration law (HRS § 338-17.8) was not passed until 1982.
Many foreign children obtained them. All it took was one witness…and I didn’t say Lil’ Barry would have been registered foreign born…Granny wouldn’t have wanted that.
All he has to do is show it…but instead uses legal manuevering to avoid it. Why?…
…He is either embarrassed by the info and will not disclose (which means he is a LIAR)…or he doesn’t have a long form one (which makes him a FRAUD and ineligible).
One of the two.
Either way something is being covered up…and will eventually come out.
If birth certificate fraud is so rampant in the state of Hawaii that random foreigners can obtain Hawaiian birth certificates that say they were born in Hawaii, it sounds like Obama is the least of your worries. You need to sue Hawaii’s Department of Health for fraud and mismanagement. We need to put a moratorium on accepting any soldiers from the state of Hawaii. The military could be filled with a fifth column of foreigners already since they have the presidency by your account.
Maybe we could resolve the problem by assigning a “minder” to all pregnant women to make sure they don’t lie about their baby’s place of birth. We’ll make sure a bureaucrat is available to cut the umbilical cord just to make sure there’s no hanky panky. If a minder isn’t around when the baby is born, we’ll deport the mother.
just real quick…and there are dozens of other sources…but you know that already.
Original birth certificates can be obtained from:
State of Hawai’i Department of Health
Vital Records Section
1250 Punchbowl Street, Room 103,
Honolulu, HI 96813
Phone (808) 586-4533 – http://www.hawaii.gov/doh
btw…I know what I am talking about…and sooner than later…most of America will be asking to see it…2011 will not be kind to Lil’ Barry.
i’ve only looked into a few other states but….. it looks like EVERY state has a similar clause when it comes to births outside of a hospital. my favorite, so far, being texas where a landlord can register the birth without having any actual knowledge of the birth happening.
so….. it looks like those foreign kids have been obtaining them in all 50 for a long time.
…….did i mention only 4 US presidents were born in a hospital ?
Will YOU be the first one to take my $100 bet. Tou guys keep telling us there are millions of birthers. I only want to take $100 off 10,000 of you. Is that so much to ask?
So holyroller quotes American Thinker, the bull pupu site
Example America Thinker the bull pupu states::
F. Even the Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept a certified copy
Hawaiian Gov. site says no such thing!
It says “Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.”
“When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth. (COLB)
READ IT, here is link to actual Hawaiian Gov, site:
So linking to a lying site such as American Thinker has no value, American Thinker has same credibility as WND – NONE!
HolyRoller: Original birth certificates can be obtained from:
No, only certified copies are available from this address or any address. The link you gave was for:
The purpose is to create an updated information base of Hawaiians showing lineal descent from the aboriginal people that inhabited the Hawaiian Islands before 1778.
Barack Obama may be a natural born American citizen, but he is not a native Hawaiian in this sense.
They changed the law AFTER this was published.
Yes, it DID say that until later. Need proof? (like it would influence you). He is a fraud…you just don’t care…that makes you an Obamamohammed.
Lil’ Barry is hiding something…and we will all find out what before long…roflmao.
Then why not take my bet??? Should be easy money, right?? Or are you less confident than you sound?? Come on big boy…
American Thinker first published in Nov 2008, then recently again (May 2010)
the Hawaiian homeland accepted COLB’s for over 10 years, I am from Hawaii.
American Standard lies as do you.
the source code for that Hawaiin Gov site shows the date it was published
html xmlns=”http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml” xml:lang=”en”
American Thinker article 2008 (8 years after)
Gonna have to prove you wrong…which with an Obamamohammed isn’t too diffiCULT…lol…I make myself laugh…but here ya go bucko.
Hawaii upgrades ‘certification of live birth’
State dumps exclusion on document for home lands program
Posted: July 08, 2009
8:56 pm Eastern
….”Is Hawaii self-conscious about its unusual “certification of live birth” document because of attention focused on it over questions about Barack Obama’s eligibility for the presidency?
The state, which had excluded the controversial document as proof of native Hawaiian status, has changed its policy and now makes a point of including it stating in its qualifications that they are now accepted “because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth.”
It was just one month ago that WND pointed out that the document Barack Obama has released as proof of a Hawaiian birth was not accepted by the Hawaiian Home Lands program, presumably because it was not a reliable test of an actual Hawaiian birth..”
Lots more…including links from earlier showing that the COLB was NOT sufficient by itself. Need to learn more??? Let me know…I actually checked this stuff out…unlike Obamamohammeds who just “live by faith”
Y’all are really vocal…to be so uninformed. But keep it up…this is fun…Maybe I can help someone who is “blinded by the Light”.
Read this…you are like a puppy chasing your tail…I know the subject…It’s a Gift.
what bet???…I’ll be happy to teach you something…or try…Obamamohammeds tend to be “close-minded” to reality.
What bet? I already told you. $100 says no court rules Obama ineligible. Are you a man or a mouse?? All you guys are just b.s.
But why use something so ethnic? You are guilty of ethnic paranoia. The term is what I would call a loaded word. It is meant to bring up ethnicity and you know it. At least be honest. Again, I stand alone on the gospel of Christ. You seem to need other props.
And you attempt to hide your bigotry. But you can’t. The moral stench it produces is obvious.
Found your bet…how’s this….
A new Washington Post/ABC poll has asked whether Americans believe President Obama was born in the United States – arguably one component of the Constitution’s demand that presidents be “natural born” citizens – and it has revealed that even one in seven Democrats says he was born “in another country.”
Producers of the poll, which done by the mainstream media is a reflection itself of how much concern over Obama’s eligibility has grown, described the assessment and its finding that 20 percent of all respondents said he was born abroad to 77 percent with faith that he was born in the United States.”
YOU DO THE NUMBERS…being a scientist and all…lol (hint…tens of MILLIONS)
that comments qualifies YOU as an Obamamohammed.
btw…if I had a nephew named Mohammed…I think I would tell him to consider changing it to Steve or Barry.
Colonel Sanders is calling, you chicken!! You won’t put your money where your mouth is. You are a waste of oxygen…
What’s so sad about this is how it evidences a complete inability to reason.
Let’s pretend, for a second, that Lakin could get off if Obama is ineligible.
Whether we operate under jus soli or not, there is no type of citizenship that relies on Obama showing a valid birth certificate.
If Lakin proved that Obama’s campaign forged the COLB, that would be evidence of a sneaky campaign. In and of itself, however, it is NOT proof that Obama was born elsewhere than Hawaii.
They’d still have to prove that the DOH and Governor, etc., are lying when they say that the Hawaiian records indicate that Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii!
Since there is no chance that Obama’s “long form” says that he was born in Kenya, the birthers biggest, best, hope is that it says that he was born at home and that a family-member vouched for the birth.
Even that wouldn’t make Obama ineligible. You know what they call a birth certificate that registers a home-birth attested to by a family member? A birth certificate! It is still prima facie evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii.
To overcome the birth certificate, birthers have to prove that Obama was born in Kenya. The birthers don’t need any document from Obama to prove that he was born in Kenya.
So, why haven’t the birthers proven that Obama was born in Kenya?
You really think only 14 children in Hawaii were born outside a Hospital, in 1961???…roflmao….more than that in most counties in America….especially among the “beatnik/hippie crowd which Barry’s mom was a part of.
weaker and weaker
show me the stats from HAWAII…bet you CAN’T
I think that comment is called…”attempt to marginalize and change topic”
Must be awful nowadays for Obamamohammeds….with this shortage of Hopium that is so prevalent.
is mr bigot aware of Obama being president has added 2 trillion dollars to American brands world wide because of his world wide popularity. (Obama is #1, Dai Lama is #2)
now I am really laughing…Is that the same Dali Lama, Lil” Barry made leave out the back door by the trash pick-up???
I hear Barry is very popular in Greece and Spain…since he so admires their “econmic models”…lol
He either refuses because it would prove his “life story” is fabricated…or he can’t.
Either would destroy his Presidency (which is already a failure.
2011 is gonna be bad for Lil’ Barry. Gonna be the beginning of LOTS of Congressional Investigations…and we will most likely if he can explain what the meaning of..is…is.
There are so many astonishing things about birthers, and one is the chronic fantasy that the President and his supporters are terrified of them.
Realistically, it seems unlikely that the President has even heard of LTC Lakin. Why would his staff brief him on this?
He knows…and is gonna do whatever necessary to shut him up.
Why do you think Lil’ Barry uses legal maneuvering to avoid releasing his original birth certificate???
I would love to hear your reasoning.
So, you can’t name any reason why the President should have heard of Lakin. It seems likely that the White House staff are not in the habit of briefing the President on stuff that there isn’t any reason to bother him with. Since I can’t think of any reason he should hear about it, and you can’t either, I conclude that he probably hasn’t heard of it.
I’ve only heard of Lakin because I have a bad habit of wasting my time.
Um, sounds like Dr. C just did. You need to learn how to read.
Must be awful for ignorant haters like you, knowing that the economy is on a rebound, thanks to Obama’s team and you will face a serious likelihood of his reelection in 2012.
Me, I’m still happy and optimistic about the future under his watch. Sucks to be you.
And what “legal maneuvering” would that be, pray tell? Any evidence of any, or what new story will you pull out of your butt?
Oh that’s right, you just tell yourself stuff like that and pin your hopes the other silly birther myths & fantasies because a sad little person like you can’t handle reality and you have to play make believe in order to get through your day.
Well sorry, “HolyRoller”. We’re completely laughing at you pathetic fools.
I have no doubt at all that Lakin is going to end up court-martialed and the birther arguments will be completely cut off the moment his lawyer tries to introduce them, because they are completely irrelevant to the charges against him.
So, keep failing and we’ll keep mocking and laughing at you sorry sore losers.
And a foreign BC would list the foreign location as the place of birth.
Obama’s clearly states: Honolulu, HI.
Sorry, you lose.
Then why don’t you go get yourself one and prove it, eh? I won’t hold my breath, because you are all whiny talk and full of sh*t.
LMAO! Keep telling yourself what you want to hear and keep getting used to disappointment. Life must really suck to be you. Well, continue to get used to disappointment. I have a feeling that you are going to be disappointed for years to come.
Funny you say it’s a “gift.” I went to the site and my Kaspersky AV popped up a warning for “HEUR:Trojan.Script.Iframer.” It wasn’t the site itself, but an Admeld banner. I ran the URL through Virus Total and it came up clean, so it could be a false positive.
Um, the only hoot and holler will be our continued laughing at you delusional fools when you find out that Lakin ends court-martialled and no discovery ever gets granted, because the silly BC nonsense is irrelevant to the charges against him.
Boy, you really like to set yourself up for huge disappointment, don’t you? Sad.
Do we need to explain the internets to you (they’re a series of tubes).
Dr. C. posted a LINK. You click on the LINK. Okay, you need us to explain clicking. That will be tomorrow’s lesson.
Final clue for tonight. You asked for “stats.” That is short for “statistics.” Read the following title, which Dr. C. linked to:
You mean getting the court to dismiss frivolous and baseless cases which have no merit?
Golly, I can’t imagine why Obama wouldn’t want to fight morons in court.
Why use such an ethnic phrase?
Because much of the hatred of Obama is rooted in racism. You can’t wear white sheets on-line, so the racists need something to identify themselves.
He also said 14 children in Honolulu, not Hawaii. Since you asked there were 100 children born that year in Hawaii with “attendant not in hospital and not specified.” There were 17,516 births attended by a physician in a hospital.
Well, as I pointed out in my “Big Five” argument on the birther’s motivations, they have other drivers besides just race.
HolyRoller demonstrates a lot of the other categories as well – religion-based prejudices along with buying into nutty conspiracy theory crapola hook, line & sinker.
all those crappy sites have trojans, the birthers are too dumb to know it. good example Orly’s site and Aputzu’s site. They know where the suckers are. (look what holyroller believes, that’s a clue for a hacker)
Actually, he might be asked a question about it in a press conference. I suspect he has been briefed – briefly.
You said they changed the law, but the proof you provided said they changed the policy. Law and policy are two different things.
Hooter’s dress code policy requires white t-shirts and orange shorts, but it’s not the law. If it were, women would be in orange shorts everywhere.
Confusing an idiot may be dangerous!
“They changed the law AFTER this was published”
then why does American Thinker, like you, still say the old stuff, is it ok to say the old stuff as if it is current so they can mislead, that is dishonest and only pleases dip$hits like you.
why do you not want to see Lil’ Barry’s original???
…maybe…cause you know he is ineleigible
…and you might lose your 2 yr extension of welfare unemployment checks???
…Lose some welfare tax credits???
…You might have to actually work???
Note DEM…it’s easier than work…..
He is a crook and a fraud…It is a sad day when people do not care…and help him hide the truth.
Obamamohammeds are PITIFUL….
Alahu Akbar Comrade.
I’m sure you will be happy to know that in the unfortunate event that anything were to happen to President Obama, Vice President Biden stands ready to continue his wise policies that have seen the economy and the financial markets recover and the country begin the healing process after 8 crisis-filled years.
All y’all Obama Cultists…Obamamohammeds…can deflect, spin, whine, cry, and spit…all you want. It will not alter the inevitable…2010 will shift the powers in Congress…
2011 will be the year of multiple Congressional Investigations…Lil’ Barry will be at the center of them all…the stench of corruption is greater than any Administration in American history.
He will leave office in digrace…and hopefully spend some time in Federal Prison.
Maybe Barry and Rezko can bunk together.
Y’all worship a Crook and a Fraud.
The “policy” until very recently did not allow a COLB by itself to be used for proof.
You are like a dog chasing its tail…You need to do a little soul searching…Why would you want the truth hidden?
He will be neutered. And the financial “healing” you speak of…Say What???
You must be like Lil’ Barry, Axlepuke, Jarrett, and Evan Thomas(Barry chief propagandist @ soon defunct Newsweak)
…A Red-Diaper Baby
But I do appreciat the fact that you admit Lil’ Barry is in deep doo doo.
Just wait a little while…The Manchurian President…is opening a lot of eyes…Gonna be lots and lots of questions for Barry…REAL SOON.
Watch Geraldo tonight…10 pm FOX…Aaron Klein is the guest…gonna be a hoot and a holler watching Geraldo spit and scream.
roflmao…y’all make my day.
10 PM tonight? Aaron Klein? You must be joking. The Yankees are on.
I do not know(nor do you) what will happen with the Lakin case…except this
…an entirely new discussion will be started…and Lil’ Barry does not want that. It will increase scrutiny and pressure for him to “show his papers”…and he can’t.
He is either hiding info that discredits the “life story” that Billy Ayers helped him fabricate, publish, and spread…or…show that he is ineleigible.
Either will finish his Presidency.
you may need to buy a new irony meter, but you can wait till Obama leaves office in 2016. But go ahead feed your delusions, do you teach your kids to hate, you are very pathetic. Going through life with that much hate must be very disturbing. Have you served in the miliatery or were you 4F.
you will miss a good time….Klein has his facts in order…He is among the finest REAL journalists in the world today. Lil’ Barry is in trouble.
Klein has his facts in order
Klien & WND
Holyroller sides with idiots, Wow!
Of all the spiteful little ignorant bigots I’ve seen here, HollyRoller has to be the worst. I sort of picture a Beavis or Butthead with nazi paraphernalia.
Aaron Klien has facts
Barry in trouble
get a life idiot!
I’m all for the truth, but sometimes you have to be patient to get it. Let me give you an example. Last time I tried to get my aunt’s death certificate in Florida, the state redacted the cause of death. They don’t allow a nephew or niece to see the cause of death for privacy reasons until 50 years after the death occurred. I’d like to get the cause of death for a family medical history, but I’m going to have to wait. The laws don’t make any sense to me since an autopsy is public record, but the cause of death is not? It’s the reality; I live with it. I don’t like the Florida vital records laws, but it’s not a conspiracy to hide the truth.
Two things in recent years have caused restrictions to the access of vital records: 9/11 and a rise in identity theft. It’s been frustrating for genealogists. States are altering the format of certificates to provide less information, and they are blocking access entirely in some cases. State legislators who know nothing about security or genealogy have overreacted creating roadblocks to documents that should be released. I don’t like the change to the format of Hawaii’s birth certificates. I wish they would still provide certified copies of the old Certificate of Live Birth, but their format changes are par for the course. I agree with them, though, that birth records shouldn’t be open to the general public while an individual is still living. My opinion on that has nothing to do with Obama.
In the beginning, I had some sympathy for the birthers. I hoped that Obama had an old copy of his birth certificate lying around that he would share just to make you happy. But then I read all the vitriol. Birthers treat Obama as the enemy rather than as the loyal opposition. If I were him, I wouldn’t give it to you either. You’ll just have to be patient and wait until 2036 to see it unless you can get the State of Hawaii to change their vital statistics laws.
HolyRoller: 2011 will be the year of multiple Congressional Investigations…Lil’ Barry will be at the center of them al
Memo to self: on January 1, 2012, call HolyRoller an idiot.
I am on record, and said so on Ken Dunbar’s blog talk radio program, that I would love to see President Obama’s hospital birth certificate. In fact, I would like a copy to frame and put on my wall as a reminder of how wrong the birthers are.
You know, you make the most inflammatory partisan assumptions. By your language, you demonstrate complete disrespect for fellow Americans who disagree with you. Thank God most Americans aren’t like you.
I disagree with John McCain’s politics, but I respect the man. One of my family members was acquainted with someone who shared McCain’s cell in the Hanoi Hilton. McCain recently introduced a dangerously unconstitutional bill, Senate Bill 3081, which will allow the US government to detain American citizens indefinitely without trial. I oppose him on this, but I understand he’s proposing it to try to safeguard this country against terrorists. You see, you can oppose someone’s politics without hating him. I like McCain. I hate S. 3081.
Although I’m a liberal who voted for Obama in 2008, you’re wrong in assuming I’ll vote for him in 2012. I may or may not, depending on what he does while in office. I’m considering voting for a third party candidate unless Ron Paul is the Republican nominee. Like his liberal friend, Dennis Kucinich, Paul seems to care about the Constitution and promote the interests of the little guy over the corporations. To me, that’s at attractive quality in a presidential candidate.
You see, Obama isn’t liberal enough for me. I wish he were a socialist so we could get single payer universal health care, but he’s not. Furthermore, the Washington Post and the NY Times have reported a White House leak that Obama has issued a capture or kill order on an American citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki. Even though I understand his reasons for doing so, if Awlaki is killed, it’s an egregious violation of the Constitution to deprive an American citizen of his life without due process of law. If Obama is responsible for Awlaki’s assassination without trial, I’ll support his impeachment, but I’ll never, ever support his removal from office on such a stupid issue as a birth certificate.
You see, my opinion is based on the entirety of the Constitution and hundreds of years of court precedent, like the de facto officer doctrine. It’s not based solely on Article II, Section 1.
As for the results of the 2010 and 2012 elections, it’s more difficult to predict as I believe the American people are fed up with both parties. If all the independents banded together to vote for one third party, they could easily beat the Republicans and the Democrats.
You have quite an imagination. 1.5 years ago it was argued that he would never be elected president, then it was argued that the would never be found eligible by Congress, then he would never be sworn in and now he is our President.
And by the same Constitution which you pretend to support, he will remain our President for the next 2.5 years or so.
And so far he has been quite successful to as a leader.
So why should we take your ignorant prediction seriously? Especially as it seems to be based in ignorance and hatred?
Romans 1:22 my dear friend.
wish didn’t come true…did it??? Cause he CAN’T…it would at best make him a pathological LIAR…or ineligible.
Smoke another bowl of Hopium, in your genuine, replica…Nobel Peace Pipe
…and dream sweet dreams of Lil’Barry saving the universe.
succesful as a leader???…what is that comment based on??? If you mean destroying our economy and power…he has damaged it…but been successful..NO.
Boy-Toy Holder is already wimping out today
…Must be concerned about the 4 Navy Seals, being found not guilty of slapping around a Mohammedian brethren.
whoop dee do.
I dare you…double dog dare you…triple dog dare you. Find any part of Klein’s book that you can discredit
…You Can’t…but…Aaron’s book sure discredits the Annointed One.
Barry Soetoro is a CROOK and a FRAUD…you know it but like it.
There are countless examples of Obama showing his strength and resolve both within our Country as well as outside. Whether it is the much needed Health Insurance Reform or the leadership restoring our economy and jobs. The standing of our Country in the world opinion and the standing of our President and leader have risen to previously unknown heights after disastrous years.
We see efforts to reduce the number of nuclear weapons and much more.
I understand that there are some who claim that President Obama is destroying our Country or economy. Funny how the facts do not pan out to support this much.
As an American I am proud again to see our Country rise and lead not through arrogance but through respect.
You a Harvard Grad?….lol
2016…LOL…he will quite fortunate to stay in office through 2011…I can’t wait to hear his definition of what…is…is.
Barry is having a BAD week…All 4 Navy Seals were found not quilty of slapping his Mohammedian brethren…Now BoyToy Holder is backtracking on Miranda.
What policy? The COLB has always been prima facie legal evidence and admissible under Federal Rules of Evidence as self authenticating since it contains the necessary endorsements, such as the raised seal and the signature.
Please explain your foolish statements. I somehow assumed, apparently erroneously, that you had informed yourself. Now I realize that you, relying on a single source of information as the ‘truth’ may have once again allowed yourself to be made look foolish by repeating the myths and ignorance of others.
The truth can set you free, and since you are being enslaved by this nonsense, what do you think causes it?
He will not show it cause…HE CAN’T.
The sissy has Narcissistic Personality Disorder…his ego would force him to rub it in faces…but alas…he CAN’T
You call that a bad day? A few marines were found not guilty… Who gives a darn really…
Your use of abusive language betrays you my dear friend.
No respect, no logic, no reason, no facts. Just some random ‘issues’…
The smell of ignorance in the morning…
I see, you consider Holder asking Congress to revise the Miranda rights as somehow a weakness?
I guess you appreciated the Bush years more where your rights were taken away without involvement of the courts or Congress..
I understand… You are willing to give up your Constitutional rights willingly and without proper oversight.
wasn’t even adequate for native born Hawaiian status until months ago…Required additional PROOF. A COLB in 1961 was obtained by the verification of ONE witness. Pretty weak.
Why HIDE behind legal maneuvers instead of producing the original??? I’ll tell you why…cause he CAN’T…It would at best discredit his fabricate “life story”…and at worst get him incarcerated.
Ignoring once again that our President did show his COLB which was the only form of birth certificate Hawaii was releasing and which is prima facie legal evidence and admissible under the FRE as self authenticating.
So why do you ignore these simple facts?
Does it have anything to do with your foolish and ill-informed opinions about our President and little to do with your concerns about our Constitution?
Your words and actions surely suggest that this may be what motivates you.
Wasn’t Eric vehemently DEFENDING Miranda???…even on the battlefield???
He is in deep trouble.
I love it…an Obamamohammed gets in over their head…first comes RACIST…then BUSH.
all he has to do is authorize the originals release…He either will not…or more likely CAN’T.
Reckon why not?
what motivates me is…HE IS A FRAUD…who is hell bent on destroying American Excellence.
Let me explain:
The Hawaiian Homelands status required an applicant to show that he was not just born in Hawaii, but also that his parents were born there.
Natural born status relies only on the location of birth.
If you object to how birth records in Hawaii were collected, then you have a real problem because the long form is not going to provide you with more witnesses.
In the end, it is the determinations by the DOH of Hawaii that found President Obama to be born on US soil to be the only relevant issue.
If you have any legally admissible evidence that shows them to be wrong then how come we have not seen much of any.
Of course, he was defending Miranda as it exists right now. Unlike some of his predecessors he is not making policy, he is implementing it.
Realizing that Miranda may be unsuitable in certain circumstances, Holder, rather than circumventing the law of our Country is asking for the law to be appropriately amended.
That’s the difference between the imperial presidency preceding Obama and Obama’s presidency which refuses to take your Constitutional rights away.
And yet, no evidence, I understand your beliefs but as I explained, you may very well be enslaved by your single source of evidence, manipulated into beliefs that reason, logic and fact cannot sustain.
In the end you may very well have allowed yourself to be used as a puppet.
Does that idea not cause you some concern? After all, all evidence appears to point to this. You are uninformed, quick to insult, lack in sufficient details, make general accusations without being able to delve into specifics.
You make for an excellent example and quite educational indeed.
He has released the document which is prima facie legal evidence and admissible in court. Why do you insist that the President abuses his federal powers and forces a State government to release documents they no longer release?
Why do you insist that the President should be granted preferential treatments? Is he in your mind a emperor? I thought we had rejected the imperial presidency when we sent George packing with no heir to his throne.
The long form provide LOTS of additional info.
Lil’ Barry is AFRAID or CAN’T provide it.
Aren’t you at least curious what it says?
Larry Johnson-NoQuarterUSA-former CIA-Anti-Terrorism expert says…An original exists…but it shows his name as Barry Dunham..and his race as whit. He goes on to say an adoption (sealed) to Lolo Soetoro is on file, and that Barry never legally changed his name to Barack H. Obama.
Who knows…except this FACT…Lil’ Barry is a CROOK and a FRAUD
Holyroller: American English used to describe Pentecostal Christian churchgoers
Does that describe you Holyroller? For the sake of Christianity I hope not…
And none of it is relevant to Obama’s location of birth.
What a fool. The COLB, shows clearly that the name is Barack Obama.
And race is not mentioned on birth certificates. Fool…
There you go again, spreading misrepresentations, fooled by others, enslaved by myths.
So why do you allow yourself to be enslaved?
The Child’s race is not mentioned on the BC. The COLB shows that his name is Barack Obama.
Again you are allowing others to enslave you with foolish comments
no puppet here…I…unlike common everyday Obamamohammeds…have the ability to discern and question “talking points”. He could very easily stop this conversation…but instead uses legal maneuvers to avoid releasing the birth cert. (and many other documents).
If his supporters are so certain there is nothing to hide…why not call for its release.
A very recent WaPo poll shows tens of millions of Americans are concerned as to why he doesn’t.
That’s an interesting claim and yet you have shown to fall a victim to many of these talking points, unable to determine their veracity and thus foolishly repeating them.
God have mercy..
Because we do not pretend that our President should be held to different standards than anyone else. He has shown himself sufficiently to be natural born, if some foolish people refuse to accept this based on myths about his religion or his actions, then releasing the full document, is not going to help.
Explain to me why you would want our President to be granted rights not granted to fellow Americans? Do you not believe in State’s rights?
you have NOT seen the original. Johnson has access to lots of info we do not. He is not someone to “fluff off”.
btw…his “fathers” race on the COLB is isted as “african”…in ’61 it should say “negro”.
It surely does.. Sad how some fools want to drag anyone through the mud in pursuit of their ignorance.
you are being silly…all he has to do is authorize its release.
Johnson has not seen the information, he has no evidence, and the information that we do have undermines his position.
Since there is no entry for the race of the child, since we know that 4 days after his birth, the BC was filed with Barack Obama Sr as his father, there appear to be some problems with your claims.
You seem to prefer appeal to ‘authority’ where authority is defined by whomever agrees with your foolishness.
There we have that enslavement again…
Johnson has no credibility
A common description for blacks born in America. However to the natives of Africa, the term african is more appropriate and the form merely reflect how the parents filled out the information.
you are truly a prime example of what is known as an…Obamamohammed…Do you have a shrine in your home?
Again you fail to make a positive case. You are truly enslaved by your ignorance.
God have mercy.
PS: I assume you meant Allahu Akbar
I notice that you are foolishly unable to respond to my factual claims and have chosen to go down the road of pure ad hominems.
Your hatred to those with whom you disagree does not serve you well. I hope that Christ will be as understanding as I am.
Do you still not believe in State Rights?
Weird… And in addition you believe our President should be treated differently than you and I in legal matters?
“Larry Johnson-NoQuarterUSA-former CIA-Anti-Terrorism expert says…An original exists…but it shows his name as Barry Dunham..and his race as whit. He goes on to say an adoption (sealed) to Lolo Soetoro is on file, and that Barry never legally changed his name to Barack H. Obama.”
Does Johnson say he has evidence or that it’s his theory? The child’s race doesn’t appear on the original document, at least on the part parents used to get.
No evidence but Holyroller, enslaved by the myths, has no choice but to accept the absence of any evidence as evidence because after all, the alternative is unthinkable….
Holyroller may want to ponder the following: If God and the Truth sets you free, who and what enslaves you?
I checked the US CDC worksheet for Birth Certificates. So far no evidence that the child’s race is reported.
In fact, the only information provided is
Time of birth
Date of birth
Facility Name, City/Town, County of birth
The race of the parents is collected but may or may not show up on extracts
No evidence that race of child is reported, neither at the Federal Level (CDC) nor at the State Level (Nordyke Certificate of Live Birth)
Whatever4: The child’s race doesn’t appear on the original document, at least on the part parents used to get.
The child’s race is fundamentally different from the race of the parent. Parent’s race is self reported (“what do you consider yourself to be?”) whereas the child’s race is derived by a set of rules. I talk about this some in my article Vital Statistics and the document linked there has more details. That was from 1961. I don’t recall that the infant’s race is even captured in any of the systems I have worked with. Parents’ race (at least of the mother) is important for statistical purposes (how many low weight babies were born to …) but not so much for the infant’s race.
The main point is that anyone who says the infant’s race is on a 1961 Hawaiian Certificate/Certification of live birth is making things up. Have we finally discovered Sven’s secret identity?
Enslaved by foolishness our Holyroller friend seems to be once again fooled.
Quite an educational event really
Seems to me our Holyroller is licking his wounds right now, stunned by the realization that he has been used.
Wow HolyRoller, you can’t help but always come off like just a delusional little prick, can you?
Rants like yours usually come from people who have to convince themselves of sad-sack stories about what life must be like for others, so you don’t cry every night about how insecure you are and how pathetic and worthless your own little life and dismal future is.
We can play this game all day. I can assume the standard sterootype that you are just some two-toothed inbred pedophile with a long rap sheet for self-stupidity, living in your broken down trailer park and illegally collecting disability because you are too lazy to work, yet somehow point the fingers at other. Maybe one day you can work your way up to Wal-Mart bagger, but you probably couldn’t even hack that job.
Keep telling yourself you sad little stories. Back in the real world, we work hard. I don’t even know anybody on welfare, except when I encounter your type of white trash. Myself, I’ve pretty much always been on salary, so when I frequently work 10, 12 or 14 hour days, I don’t see any extra pay for it, but I don’t seem to whine like a loser all the time like you sure do.
As I’ve said before, I’ve already seen Obama’s BC and am quite satisfied with the document presented online, as well as the corroborating evidence from the official DOH authorities and HI Gov. I’m fully satisfied that he’s proven his citizenship, so I have NO outstanding questions or concerns, whatsoever in this regard.
Only loony tunes and total hate-based losers like you have to weave extreme fantasies to try to pretend otherwise.
Yeah, keep telling yourself whatever little lies help your poor hurt feelings sleep at night, HolyRoller.
Back in reality, Obama is still president and will remain such until at least the next election and quite possibly for another 4 years after that. Other than casting your vote, there’s not a single thing you can do about it to change that, so deal with it.
Sorry, we’re not like you bitter losers. We are quite optimistic about the future. Life’s pretty good from my perspective. Too bad is sucks to be you.
Holyroller serves an important function in the ecosystem of the internet. He represents a growing section of people who believe anything they see written especially when done so by people with whom they self-identify. Unable to do the necessary research, or unable to apply logic and reason, they doom themselves to be enslaved by myth and rumour.
It’s a real problem and our President has encouraged people to look at all sides of the issue, not just a single source.
What a wise man, what a leader. Of course, those who have convinced themselves that he must be a muslim or intent on destroying our Country, will refuse to acknowledge any information to the contrary.
However, they do serve as a good example of how the ‘thought’ process of those, enslaved by the myths and falsehoods, works. It helps when they make simple statements of “fact” which can be easily disproven, such as the race of the child.
Educational as it both addresses a common myth and helps us understand why some still believe in it.
Even if they cannot learn from the facts, we can learn from the examples and help educate others about the risks of allowing myths to enslave oneself.
“…Always look on the bright side of life”…
Well, “HolyRoller”, the economy sure seems to be doing better today than it was when he took office in Jan of 2009. Stock market is way up since then and all other economic indicators are moving in the right direction. Jobs are slowly starting to follow.
On the international stage, the view of America is immensely improved from what it was, we have the Russians back at the table for nuclear arms reduction and Obama’s predator drones have taken out more key Al-Qaeda & Taliban operatives in a year than Bush was able to do in the previous 6 years combined.
Sounds like a pretty strong start to me. Can’t wait to see what the next 2.5-6.5 years bring!
LMAO! Yeah, good luck with that!
You sad fools just love to set yourselves up for failure time and time again, don’t you?
I would reasonably expect the Dems to lose a fair number of seats in the 2010 cycle, as that is not only historically typical, but we also are still dealing with a battered economy. Also, the wave that elected Obama in 2008 gave the dems quite a few seats in districts that they usually wouldn’t be able to win. Therefore, I would not be surprised for those to return to the GOP in the mid-terms.
However, I really think you are making a mistake by setting your sites way too high.
Is it possible that the GOP could take enough seats without losing too many of their own to gain a majority in either the House or Senate? Yes, it is possible, but highly unlikely, despite what the chicken little pundits may claim.
The number of additional seats that would have to shift to the GOP for that to happen are fairly significant. More than likely, even if the GOP has a very strong showing and gains a lot of seats, they will still fall short of obtaining a majority in either house.
I must be part of a birther’s mental illness to need to set a bar so high that only disappointment can result. You folks are real masochists who seem dedicated only to achieving EPIC FAIL.
LOL. You’re not a conservative or a Pentecostal. You just play one on teh internets. I bet you post as ProudUnitarian on Sarahpac. You probably go there and type:
“you are truly a prime example of what is known as a…Palinista…Do you have a shrine in your home?”
You probably rant there about Ronald Reagan and his connections with the mob, and call Jesus a crook and a fraud just to get their dander up.
Hi nbC, “Holyroller” is a site pest, he will go away (I hope) if ignored. He/She brings nothing to this forum.
*Waaaaah* *My life sucks* *sniff* *sniff*
Oh he/she does bring something of educational value. If not to Holyroller, then perhaps to others who may be similarly enslaved by ignorance and observe the lack of command of reason, logic and facts.
So, tell us, “HolyRoller”, just what additional info does it provide that is relevant in any way to being qualified for president?
You realize that a “short form” is just an abstract of any “long form”, with less fields of information being displayed, don’t you?
The “short form” clearly lists the fields for place of birth. For Obama, it says: Honolulu, HI. Therefore, the “long form” would say the same thing.
What else are you looking for and how in any way would it be relevant to eligibility?
And don’t forget the gift by Arizona. The recent immigration law is going to provide Barack with a good foundation to rally the troops while dividing the opposition who has to deal with some of the more outrageous groups.
It’s a God sent gift from Arizona to have raised this topic during an election year. While the Republicans are quick to argue that this year is not the right year for immigration reform, the President realizes the political value of continuing to press for such reforms.
Hilarious. And with the economy getting back in shape and new jobs being added, the outlook is quite good for November.
HolyRoller hopes that it will show that Obama’s race is ‘white’… Of course neither the long nor short forms really address the race of the child.
He also believes that the true name will be found to be Barack Dunham…
Again, while this would strengthen Obama’s natural born status, the COLB and the original filing data show that the name was not Dunham and that the father was Obama Sr.
But facts should never disturb those who have enslaved themselves and their minds to act for the ‘dark side’.
I attended University of Hawaii 1961/1964, I met most of the African exchange students, not a single one called himself “negro”, or “blacK”, when asked about race they said “African”. In fact a guide for Nigerian students recommended using “Arican” as a race. All here who met Arican exchange students in college know this. You are applying a term they did not use because you are a dip$hit and never attended college. Stop proving you are an Idiot!
HolyRoller, if you are religious as you claim, pay attention to this:
People like you prayed that Obama not be nominated.
HE WAS NOMINATED!
People like you prayed that it rain on Obama’s acceptance of nomination.
IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL DAY!
People like you prayed that Obama not be elected.
It is very clear that God is on Obama’s side.
HolyRoller’s latest dumb statements:
LMAO! Oh, the irony! If the dictionary had a picture to go along with a definition of “brainwashed sheep”, yours would be right there!
*snooze* Yeah, yeah, we’ve heard this lame argument endless times and it still gets you nowhere.
First of all, Obama doesn’t have to do anything. Privacy laws prevent such access. So suck on that.
If someone brings a lawsuit that requires a response against a government official in their government capacity, then the governments legal team automatically responds. Again, Obama doesn’t need to be involved or care at all. Your tax dollars at work, fool, so suck on that too.
Sorry, reality and the law don’t work that way. Doesn’t matter what anybody wants, you are not entitled to it by law and its that simple. If that pisses losers off like you, then BONUS!!! Stomp and stamp your feet all you want, but your tantrums don’t mean anything.
Why do you keep asking us to do your dirty work for you. We DON’T have any concerns and think all you birthers are stupid or insane (or both). We are fine with the info already presented. If you care so much, why don’t you get off your lazy a** and write your congressman or file your own lawsuit?
But you won’t. Because people like you are all talk and no action and all your boasts are false bravado to cover up your own pathetic little insecurities. So whine and cry. Whine and cry. Whine and cry. That’s all you’ve got.
Sucks to be you, HighRoller. Obama’s still president and your…just you. Deal with it.
I haven’t a clue…just responding with what Johnson wrote.
All I know is this…and y’all know it too. Lil’ Barry is hiding something…what?…only time will tell…Barry sure isn;t. But that is only part of the story…Many records are supressed or gone…undisclosed for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.
For someone who likes to call himself “bold and transparent”…he sure hides his past
That’s the most truthful statement so far. You have not clue, you are just repeating what others.
Seems that I was correct to observe that you allow others to enslave you with myths.
What does this have to do with transparency in government my foolish enslaved friend.
Truest statement yet from HolyRoller.
LMAO! Yeah, another of the many reasons why nobody takes the birthers seriously! I mean, kindergarten records, really???
Do you want his Safety Town certificate while you are at it? Oh, oh, how about demand that he produce the ticket stubs to every movie he ever attended, yeah, that sound’s good!
And demand his baby teeth while you are at it! ROTFL!!!
You idiots are such a joke!
Well, dumb*ss, transparency refers to government records, not personal ones. *duh*
Destroying America with what? His health care reform bill? Socialized medicine? That makes Obama the Winston Churchill of the US.
Read it and weep:
Here’s another. Winston Churchill, speech at Royal College of Physicians, London, March 2, 1944:
Is Michelle a “birther”???
BORN IN THE USA?
See Michelle call Barack a ‘Kenyan’
Video includes comments about Obama at fundraiser
That is so weak and lame. Not to mention, that has been covered so many times here already, its not even worthy of further response. You really are of a clouded and deluded mind, trapped by your own insecure prejudices and hate. How petty and sad.
Keep Failing, HolyRoller. Keep Failing.
so you already knew he was a Kenyan? I always thought he was Canadian…since mama was enrolled in classes in Washington 15 days after his immaculation.
Uh Oh…more scrutiny coming for Lil’ Barry…
A federal grand jury has subpoenaed e-mails of Dr. Eric Whitaker, one of President Obama’s close friends, The Chicago Sun-Times reports:
“The investigation involves faith-based initiatives’ and health-awareness campaigns funded by the Illinois Department of Public Health when Whitaker ran the agency for former Gov. Rod Blagojevich, according to copies of subpoenas obtained under the state’s Freedom of Information Act.
“Obama has said he recommended Whitaker for that job, which Whitaker landed in April 2003. The president’s friend resigned in October 2007 to join Obama’s wife, Michelle, as an executive at the University of Chicago Medical Center.
Can anyone say Tony Rezko???
Wow. You really are that dense, aren’t you?
No. And the Canadian angle…wow, you really are out there with crazy ideas, aren’t you?
Here’s what I *do* know:
I am fully aware that his father was Kenyan and therefore he has Kenyan ancestry.
I fully understand that a lot of Americans will refer to a country of their ancestor’s heritage with pride and can use terms like “homeland”, etc. to refer to such, without meaning they were literally born there or that they have any loyalty to that country either. It is nothing more than a nostalgic type of pride and respect for where your ancestors came from.
I am also fully aware that Obama was born in Honolulu, HI and his mother was an American born in Kansas.
Birth you fool, not his conception.
So how did she manage to return from Kenya in 15 days 🙂
Again, who cares and so what?
So, you make an implication to Tony Rezko because…
…during Obama’s campaign, Rezko was indited and Obama was NOT implicated by the judge at all…
…and the American people didn’t seem to care either and overwhelmingly elected Obama to president, where he sits today, while Rezko is serving time for his own crimes.
So, keep screaming words like Ayers! Resko! ACORN! Rev Wright! Etc. Etc. Etc all you want.
It didn’t matter to the majority of the electorate then, when he was just a candidate and background for the job was all people had to go on.
It certainly matters even less now that he is President and is tasked with running this country.
His record on handling issues as President and delivering on his prior campaign promises as well as the state of the economy will be what mostly matters in 2012.
HolyRoller: Can anyone say Tony Rezko???
Rush to judgment does not befit a Christian. May I assume you are not one?
HolyRoller: I always thought he [Obama] was Canadian
So did Phil Berg in his original complaint in Berg v. Obama et al. He hastily withdrew the part about the Canadian birth certificate when he found out that it was signed by Dudley Do Right.
Poor Holyroller, even in his foolish ignorance, he cannot help telling the truth occasionally…
…I have no clue… how appropriate and timely an admission
heritage with PRIDE??? Is this the same dude who was already married and “abandoned” him and mama?
He was PROUD of that?…hmm…No wonder he has mental disorders.
Lolo was more of a Father…how come no Indonesian Pride?
I have never once said he was born anywhere…I don’t know…and neither do you…I speak the obvious…he is HIDING something.
Canada makes more sense. Mom had pals there.
Well he must have been born somewhere. Krypton perhaps?
I have a pretty good idea based on the following facts
1. His COLB shows him born on US soil
2. These facts are further supported by the Department of Health officials of Hawaii who have informed us that Obama is born on US soil
3. The contemporaneous newspaper announcements further support this fact.
Rezko has yet to be sentenced…why? He also waived the opportunity for bond until sentencing…he wanted to be kept behind bars. Maybe he knew about Donald Young getting whacked…Stuart Levine was gonna testify to the homo/drug parties and the Judge refused to allow names to be named…hmmm…surely Lil’ Barry ain’t a bro on the down low…(Reggie Love???)
We will see…long way from over. We still have the Hospital Board fixing…and the patient dumping by Michelle and Axlepuke…not to mention what is gonna come out from the Blago deal.
Lil’ Barry is a Crook and a Fraud.
come on…you don’t even care…you are just a Hopium addicted Obamamohammed. If he is eventually removed from office you will most likely help with the burning and looting that will happen…hook up with the Panthers, La Raza, and SEIU rent-a-thugs.
That’s OK…Barry can finally say he created some “shovel ready” projects then…Good for the economy.
I didn’t even know that…Just makes sense. Mama was enrolled in Washington, she had friends in Canada (one was eventually Barry’s baby-sitter).
Sooner than later this will all be revealed…too bad America elected a Crook and a Fraud.
Gonna watch Aaron Klein make Geraldo scream tonight? I’ve got my popcorn ready.
Other than some foolish and ignorant comments you have contributed nothing of relevance, fact or anything showing an ability to reason or logic.
What an excellent educational specimen we have here.
Who is our duly elected President 🙂
Of course there is NO evidence that the President in any reasonable form is a crook and a fraud.
You have already shown that you are not interested in facts, you allow yourself to be enslaved by the ‘dark side’ to make yourself look foolish by repeating assertions of others which are clearly wrong.
Not rushing anywhere…waiting patiently…for the truth to finally be told.
“The Manchurian President” is an excellent start.
Don’t miss Klein tonight…he might teach you a thing or two, about Lil’ Barry.
GERALDO…10 PM…FOX NEWS
.For someone who likes to call himself “bold and transparent”…he sure hides his past
Well, dumb*ss, transparency refers to government records, not personal ones. *duh*
Lil’ Barry LIED about that too
You would not recognize the truth if it bit you in your…
Come on HolyRoller, you have allowed the dark forces to enslave you with myths and falsehoods.
As to Klein, let’s start explore some of his known falsehoods and myths. Start of with MediaMatters, yes I know, a likely biased source but let’s see how well they fare.
Klein, while distancing himself from the foolish claim that Obama was born in Kenya presents himself as a dualer
Of course, he abuses Vattel…
Note the absence of any facts or evidence. What a loser.
Gonna watch Geraldo spit and scream tonight?…Don’t be afraid…The local Obamamohammed Cult will not even find out.
I am glad to hear that you admit to your foolish biases once again.
May God have Mercy
I’ll tell you what. I am far more interested in ex President Cheney’s relationship to Halliburton. Now that is becoming a real issue. Maybe ol’ Dick will end up in jail. Never know.
HolyRoller: …any baptism records…
The church where I was baptized burned to the ground along with all its records. Does this mean I can never be President?
Just one more piece of info that seems to be missing….bold and transparent…lol
He supplied all that Congress needed to validate his election. One of the good things about people like you is that you show the right wing in all its glory. Keep it up partner. You are validating the maturity of the President as you engage in High School leval taunts.
Obama just awarded a $500 Million non-compete contract to Halliburton…THIS WEEK…roflmao.
And Evangelical Churches do not always issue Baptismal records, as Baptism is an outward sign of a conversion that has already taken place- a theology a bit differenct than Catholics, Orthodox and Lutherans.
gonna watch??? I won’t tell the local Obamamohammeds.
Klein has over 800 footnoted references in his book. Lil’ Barry…the REAL Lil’ Barry is about to be revealed to the entire nation.
Not gonna be pretty….
Panthers & LaRaza??? Burning & looting???
Wow, yeah, I think its clear that you have racist tendencies, HolyRoller.
In addition, you obviously are religious bigot, with a particular freak-out about Muslims
And a loony conspiracy nut.
You are truly a birther tri-fecta of madness.
And that’s supposed to be evidence of what?
His appeal to Vattel for instance may be footnoted and yet it will fail.
The score is 0-67 so far Birthers versus the Constitution.
He owes you none of them just as Senator McCain and President Bush do not and did not owe us their transcripts. Mister, you can keep this up and it won’t matter. Scream, yell, threaten whatever.
Wow, it seems that you appreciate that Obama may have continued to foolishness of previous administrations.
Of course he also passed health insurance reform.
In the mean time
And who proposed the no bid contract?
nbc: Holyroller serves an important function in the ecosystem of the internet. He represents a growing section of people who believe anything they see written especially when done so by people with whom they self-identify.
It’s funny that you make that remark. I was just today considering some public service announcements about identity theft, advance free fraud and scams targeted against the elderly. (I was thinking “she” though.)
Many people have a parent or relative that they are not that proud of. They can still have pride in their ancestry, regardless.
Hard to to tell if it is a he or she. Either way she is a fool who allows ignorance to guide her/him down a dark path of being enslaved by myths and misrepresentations.
Well, she has the freedom of choice.
No, he didn’t lie. You truly are a hack idiot who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Transparency has been improving slowly during the course of his administration.
By any objective measure, it is more transparent overall then the Bush Administration was.
Here are just a few examples:
-Recovery.org = tracking the usage of the Stimulus funds
-Visitor log records at the White House
-Obama’s televised health care debate with both the House GOP & then with the leadership of both parties of both houses of congress. Something that has NEVER been done before.
-Or the Nuclear Posture Review:
Here are some more recently announced:
HolyRoller: you are being silly…all he has to do is authorize its release.
Just for your information, in the month preceding June of 2008, there was a growing hue and cry on the Internet that Obama release his birth certificate. Now whatever you might say about Hawaiian birth certificates, the COLB form is what Hawaii normally sends out. According to news reports, the Obama campaign had ordered some birth certificates that they thought they might need to comply with election regulations. So in response to statements that basically said: “just release a birth certificate and this will all be over”, the campaign put the normal birth certificate on their web site.
What happened? You can see that nothing was over. If another birth certificate were released, it would not be over either. It would still have the father’s race as “African” (which birthers say must be wrong). It may say that the attending physician was Dr. Rodney T. West, and the birthers will all start yelling that he had retired before 1961 (he hadn’t). It will say Kapi’Olani hospital, but that will not make the claim that two hospitals contend for the honor. There have been reports for over a year that Obama was forging a perfect long form, and of course that the State of Hawaii is in on it. The objections may be even more stupid than those leveled against the COLB, but nothing will go away. And even if the “long form” won everyone over, there would still be the alleged Indonesian adoption, the travel ban to Pakistan, the whole British father thing, and the demand for his kindergarten records.
And even if everyone accepted Obama’s presidential eligibility, some will still say he has disgraced the country, is a communist, is a Muslim, is a terrorist sympathizer, will take everybody’s guns away and lock up all patriots in FEMA camps.
So reset your thinking on this point. Obama’s release of anything will achieive nothing.
You are afraid. You are afraid of anyone not like you. I look at this mature President and then feel sad for you. But keep it up buddy you are so healthful.
HolyRoller: Obama should not give in one iota to malcontents like you.
Personally, I am enjoying watching your crowd squirm. Obama will be re-elected, and Cory Booker will follow. Better get used to it.
Hey, I read on the internet that barnyard animals become skittish when Joseph Farah is near. And where was Glenn Beck in 1990?
I can’t wait for his court martial. I will applaud for him as goes to Leavenworth. Keep it up Roller. I won’t use the term Holy anymore. Only God is Holy. But keep it up Bud. You are such a good illustration of juvenile behavior. It is really getting funny.
HolyRoller: The long form provide LOTS of additional info.
There is not much on the long form that we don’t already know from public sources.
HolyRoller: wasn’t even adequate for native born Hawaiian status until months ago
Your comment is significantly inaccurate. You said “native born Hawaiian” but the correct term in relation to Hawaii Homelands is “native Hawaiian.” From the Act:
As you see, being “native Hawaiian” has nothing to do with where one is born, but who ones parents are. This goes directly to why the “Short form” birth certificate alone is insufficient to document “native Hawaiian” status: it doesn’t have the place of birth of the parents, while the long form does. Of course, the Long form will not trace descent back to 1778 either.
The rules have not changed, but the documentation requested has changed to reflect health department policy of no longer issuing long forms. Neither the long form nor the short form at any time was sufficient to meet the full documentation requirements of the Hawaii Homelands program.
I hope you will not make this error in terminology in the future. It’s confusing to those who are not familiar with the topic.
At least our comments can’t be summarized in just 14 words like yours, HolyRoller:
There! I’ve covered every thought you’ve ever had. Feel free to copy and paste to save time, or refer to a word by number to save space.
Wow- haven’t been responding this weekend but this Holyroller/racist is quite the American Patriot.
Let’s review his deep seated personel beliefs
a) he is against Miranda rights
b) he is hoping the American economy fails so that President Obama can be blamed
c) he uses the term Mohammedan as a perjorative
d) he believes in sentencing someone, and then finding a court to try them- i.e. assumed guilty without due process
e) he believes any birther lie out there.
Is he just a home grown American racist and fascist? Or is he a dupe for a foreign power trying to overthrow a duly elected American President?
Why does he dispise America and our voters so much?
Anyway, I look forward to each January, looking at all the Birther predictions fall by the wayside. In 2011, Holyroller will still be predicting the eminent demise of President Obama, as he will in 2012.
Thank you Doc, for such a well written summary of why the claim that supplying the long form will affect anything.
They still will continue with ridiculous demands for his kindergarten records, and elemantary school records and anything else- none of which are relevant to eligibility.
Most importantly of all, the President shouldn’t respond because I think it is clear to most people that it is no mere coincidence that the first African American President, and the first President with a ‘Islamo” sounding name, also happens to be the very first president that opponents have demanded not only evidence of eligiblity but evidence far beyond any demanded for any other reason.
His opponents have made unreasonable demands, demands that have never been made for any previous president. Even if we give them some benefit of doubt as to their racism, the President shouldn’t.
He should ignore their klannish cries that he prove that as a black man he was even more eligible than any white man.
Doc said:”I hope you will not make this error in terminology in the future. It’s confusing to those who are not familiar with the topic.”
Sorry Doc, but you are hoping against hope. The birfers actually want to confuse those who are not familiar with the topic. I firmly believe that this is what it is all about: confusing people the uninformed.
The same thing about this foreign birth certificate from Hawaii. “Anyone can get a Hawaiian birth certificate.” Logic tells you there is a difference between (Hawaiian birth) certifacte (= a certificate proving birth in Hawaii) on the one hand and a (Hawaiian) birth certificate (= a birth certificate issued by the Hawaiian adminsistration, which simply proves you wer born somewhere at one time – and which will always say where you were really born). The only way to repsond to the “Hawiian birth certificate” charge when it comes up in talking, is to ask the birther why (s)he does not try to get one from Hawaii – stating birth at Honolulu.
You could always do an Eisenhower and get baptized at the White House (again).
Eisenhower had no birth certificate, he was NOT born Dwight Eisenhower, he was very probably not born where his mother claimed he was (a biographer found out that some time after Ike’s birth, his father actually bought property in a town where they used to live before), he was of course a citizen of another nation until he was 23 (precisely like Obama), his name change from David to Dwight might be interpreted by, er birthers, as an attempt to keep that citizenship (as “David” had become a Jewish name in Germany by 1900), when living abroad he planned to divorce his wife and marry his British chauffeur (a marriage which would have made him eligible for UK citizenship if performed in the UK), and of course it may be argued he failed the residency test (but he was not the only one on that account: Thomas Jefferson, JQ Adams, Herbert Hoover, …). Hm, I wonder what the real difference between Ike and Obama might be for all this not to have been a problem with Ike, but a problem with Obama?
(er, rhetorical question, of course)
And of course, it is my belief that Eisenhower was a great US president. Almost as good as Chester Arthur.
And I would like to see Obama’s Form SS-5, Social Security Application.
It was Obama’s first opportunity to state whether or not he was a US Citizen or a legal alien.
Furthermore, I would consider it conclusive as to the question of his eligibility without having to expose his complete birth record for public consumption.
Don “Don’t give excuses. Give me results!” Draper
They always state that we do no want the President to release everything because we are afraid it will be all over. In a way, they are right. I’m afraid that if he released his long form, I would have to find a new leisure time activity.
Then again, probably not.
Oh, another one. Next time you ask for something new like that, please tell us how many US presidents you have seen it of. And of course, show me Palin’s.
I dare say this one would disqualify a lot of usurpers. Oh, you do know “usurper” now means democratically elected president, right? Funny, how until recently we used to think it referred to vote-rigging in Florida and Ohio.
I think we should call this guy Roller. Only God is Holy and this person certaintly is not. so to me he will be Sillyroller from now on. That name suits him better.
He is the President Sillyroller. He still is despite your predictions and fantasy wishes. Again, keep it up sillyroller, it just adds to the evidence that you and your friends are well silly.
The SS-5 of a living person is more difficult to get than a birth certificate. Here’s an anecdote from a genealogist on Ancestry:
“I requested SS-5s for my parents, my paternal grandmother and my father’s sister. I received those for my parents but was denied copies of my grandmother’s and aunt’s SS-5s. Why? Because the SSA had not received notification of their deaths in 1966 and 1969 respectively. The reason for that was that neither had ever collected benefits and therefore the administrator of their estates had not found it necessary to advise the SSA. In a case like this, however, you will receive a letter explaining why your request was denied—the SSA cites the Freedom of Information Act provisions for unwarranted invasion of privacy.”
If that’s the case, why haven’t the birthers gotten Obama’s birth certificate? Apparently anyone can’t get a Hawaiian birth certificate.