The Phoenix, Arizona, office of WorldNetDaily, aka the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office (MSCO) is apparently not done leaking information from their so-called investigation, largely (if not entirely) conducted by an all-star birther team in the pages of Jerome Corsi’s book Where’s the Birth Certificate? Since there is considerable material in Corsi’s book that the Cold Case Posse (CCP) has not yet publicized, we can expect more leaks from the team through WorldNetDaily.
The latest? The Phoenix New Times, noted for their hard-hitting coverage of the MSCO, quotes this from the CCP:
[T]he posse cannot confirm yet that Obama was not born in Kenya and brought to the United States as a days-old infant for his birth to be registered in Hawaii.
It’s almost 4 years to the day since that very rumor was started by an anonymous poster at the Free Republic.
Since Obama’s Long-Form Birth Certificate is strongly believed to be forgery, the prevailing theory continues to be investigated.
Of course, as they continue their hard-hitting investigation, they are just so busy that they continue to have no time to call up the State of Hawaii and ask them, but did have enoug time for an hour long “fact finding” conversation with paranoid birther butterdezillion.
WTBC is the poo that just keeps droppin’!
“[T]he posse cannot confirm yet that Obama was not born in Kenya…”
I have to admit being in awe of this wording. Doublespeak at its best! We can’t commit to anything, but we sure can repeat it a lot!
Since they can’t confirm one meme yet, then they are entertaining multiple possibilities like a responsible little investigation, right? Odd how their wording seems to betray a predetermined conclusion ….
… that they’re too cowardly to assert.
Then perhaps these crack law-enforcement investigators should take some time out of their busy day cutting and pasting from Corsi’s WND articles and try picking up the phone.
“Hello, Hawaii? This is the MCSO, investigating the birth certificate. Did you release a copy of the President’s long-form birth certificate in 2011, and if so, can you verify that what is posted online is indeed said document?”
If they say “Yes, it is” then the investigation is over! It is not a forgery. Under the US Constitution that Sheriff Joe and the Posse profess to love and revere, the State of Arizona is required – required, under the Constitution – to accept a document vouched for as genuine by the State of Hawaii.
And if Hawaii says “No, it is not” then look what powerful evidence they now have to add to their report! It would break the whole thing wide open. Imagine the headline: “Hawaii Attorney General – posted Obama BC not authentic.” Now that’s a story!
I wonder why the Posse never tried calling Hawaii then…I mean, they admitted not doing so. Seems like that would be Step One. Funny they forgot.
Hawaii is mostly involved in the cover up. Obama is Hawaii’s “Favorite Son” and would never do or say anything that could harm Obama. That is why Hawaii has been fighting so hard to prevent anything from looking into their records. I believe that what Hawaii has in their records is different from what the White House produced and that such a birth record supports the contention that Obama was probably registered as being falsely born in Hawaii. It also supports the contention that Obama’s birth record in most likely a listed notation as Governor Abercrombie said that he was unable to actual birth record. If you assume Obama was born in Kenya, all of the evidence and circumstances fits into to place.
No John, if you assume Obama was born in Kenya, your head fits up your a$s.
You know John, in the world in which I live, any cockanamie claims and arguments like the ones you keep making require some substantive evidence to back them up. Assertions like “the Long-Form Birth Certificate is strongly believed to be a forgery” are not arguments. They have no evidence to back them up, and a response couched in conspiracy-theory-speak is not an argument, nor is it evidence. It’s just empty bloviation, and the 0-120 (and counting) record of all of the ballot challenges suggests that the legal and executive branches have a pretty strong consensus that the claims made so far are a close approximation to a steaming pile of manure.
What was that old definition of “madness” again?
John, re your latest post a few minutes ago:.
“Governor Abercrombie said that he was unable to actual birth record”? What’s that mean? If you meant that the good gov was unable to find an actual birth record, how many times does that have to be debunked to convince you? Ofh, that’s right, never– that is, you’ll never concede that it was debunked.
Amazing the things one can say when not bound with backing statements with anything remotely resembling facts.
Yes…I can see why a Republican Governor of Hawaii, who was head of the McCain Campaign in Hawaii, would enver do or say anything to harm Obama. Not like being head of a campaign running against Obama is inherently doing something to harm then Candidate Obama.
Or, perhaps, because the laws of Hawaii require them to? Just a guess.
What you believe is wholly irrelevant.
Except Gov. Abercrombie never said that.
If we assume he was born in Kenya, and ignore all the evidence, I suppose you might be on to something. However that is not how things work. First, why would we assume he was born in Kenya? Isn’t that going at it as guilty until proven innocent? Which last time I checked is just exactly the opposite way we work things in the US. And exactly what evidence and circumstances actually fit into place? You’re still stuck with no evidence, and a highly implausible situation of an very 18 year old white girl from Kansas (of limited financial means), taking the very expensive around the world series of flights, by herself, to a third world nation that she knows no one, and has never been to, to give birth on the opposite side of the country, where her husband’s family (including his otherwife) reside, to immediately return to the US, engage in random fraud to at least get the publication of the birth i the newspapers, followed by fraud by both Republican and Democratic governor’s of Hawaii to cover these “facts.” And still manage to do so without a single shred of hard evidence slipping out.
Guess what, John? The National Review says that you and your fellow birthers belong in the political mental ward.
Republicans who have chosen to associate with the birthers have done their party and their country a disservice. And as Sheriff Arpaio settles comfortably into that political mental ward, the same must be said of those Republicans who choose to associate themselves with him more broadly. Those who cannot distinguish between the birthers’ flim-flam and the critical questions that face our nation in 2012 will not win and do not deserve to.
And I notice John opines that the president was “tregistered as being falsely born in Hawaii..” My question is, how can one be falsely born?
But you see, John, it doesn’t matter if Arpaio did believe Hawaii was in on it. Under the Constitution, if Hawaii says it is real and legitimate, then it is. Period, end. After all, what is the President being accused of here? You are claiming he forged a Hawaiian birth certificate. If Hawaii says “No, it’s good” then the case is over. There is no crime of Hawaii says it is not a forgery. It would be like someone claiming I was counterfeiting money and the US Treasury Secretary or the Federal Reserve Chairman saying “I’ve inspected these and they are not counterfeit.” Once he says that, it is impossible for them to be counterfeit.
Sheriff Joe and the Posse know that if Hawaii says it is legit, to them, then under the Constitution they MUST accept their word. There is no “Well you may be in on it too!” escape clause in the document.
Which is why they didn’t bother to ask.
john March 12, 2012 at 4:56 pm john(Quote) #
Since Obama’s Long-Form Birth Certificate is strongly believed to be forgery, the prevailing theory continues to be investigated.
john: EVEN IF his long form is a “forgery”, the REPUBLICANS in hawaii CONFIRMED that the COLB he released was authentic
for public viewing is a bound book of “index data” CONFIRMING his birth
AND the COLB is the ONLY DOCUMENT which states at the bottom:
“this is is prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding”
the COLB is the document obama would need at ANY TIME proof of birth is required
pursuant to the full faith and credit clause of the constitution, the COLB is what EVERY STATE MUST accept when requesting proof of citizenship
I cannot confirm yet that Joe Arpaio was not complicit in the Oklahoma City bombings. He might have an alibi, but with the 16 hours a day of unstructured free time I have, I have not had the time to check up on that.
Someone brought to the US as a days old infant has no memory of their foreign birth and is as much an American as someone born here. Unless you want to get into pettifogging legal technicalities (which seems to me the antithesis of what the Constitution and the Founders were about). Of course, legal technicalities say that what the State of Hawaii says goes.
Looks like a lose, lose for John either way.
Is this why President Obama forged his birth certificate? Because his Hawaiian co-conspirators couldn’t take the 10 minutes to issue him a real one?
A long time ago, I had a computer program called Proper Grammar that I ran my stuff through and it drove me crazy complaining about passive voice, but I got better.
Compare the Cold Case Posse and John with an article I wrote with the title:
I believe Barack Obama was born at Kapi’olani Medical Center
That was 4 weeks before the long form was released.
That describes the birther research method rather well. However, in the real world, only idiots would do something so foolish.
Well, I would just note that if *Hawaii* had committed fraud (not forgery, which is impossible), then that would at the very least be a political storm. But there’s this little thing called proof. You don’t get to go on and on about fraud just because you can imagine a scenario where it theoretically could have happened maybe somehow without even a good reason.
And if you assume we are all secret slaves to aliens, that explains a lot too.
The Matrix explains a lot, as well, if we assume that is true.
But which is true? I know one of them is. But which?
I would also suggest you review the history of how we came to believe the earth isn’t the center of the universe. We jumped through all kinds of hoops making the planets do all kinds of loops in the heavens just because it worked that way IF we assumed the earth was the stationery center.
Normally, I do not respond to drivel. I will repeat what I have said for 3 years: Linda Lingle is Jewish. She felt McCain/Palin would be better for Israel, than Obama.
If she could have found anything, the GOP would have used it with glee. Obama will be re-elected. Intrade has Obama at 60.6%, as I write. Better get used to it.
Besides, Obama would never tie Bo to the roof of his car. Bo rides inside.
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If you assume the Republican Party is stocked with evil Patriarchal Guardians of the Plutocracy,
Then, the fight over abortion, contraception, Medicare, Social Security, Wealth Inequality can all be summed up easily:
To the Republican Party the 99% are nothing more than interchangeable parts to be used in the gears of Industry and War and Republicans see all humanity as nothing more than a giant pool of labor. To be used and abused when young and healthy and cast aside when old, sick or broken.
“Cold Case Posse continues to leak”
Better get Depends™.
“[T]he posse cannot confirm yet that Obama was not born in Kenya and brought to the United States as a days-old infant for his birth to be registered in Hawaii.”
Well, since they also can’t confirm that he isn’t the second coming of Jesus Christ, I’d say it all evens out in the end.
A thought came to me today, comparing Birthers to Creationists.
Creationists fling a lot of flimsy and discredited statements attempting to disprove evolution. When these are addressed and rebutted, they tend to ignore the rebuttals and just keep on trucking with the bad arguments. This continues unabated and will for probably the entirety of human existence.
Creationists seem to be largely driven by their feeling that if they disprove evolution, it will prove their religion. Except…. it doesn’t. If you were to falsify evolution you could probably, at best, prove that life was created. It wouldn’t prove that Christianity or Islam or whatever is true.
Birthers seem to be in kinda the same boat. They’re advancing the idea that Obama was born in Kenya, AND that the evidence pointing to his birth in Hawaii is fake/insufficient.
Except even if tomorrow some mind blowing irrefutable evidence came out that said Obama was not born in Hawaii and used a forged birth certificate, the result would be maybe an impeachment trial and removal from office, followed by the swearing in of Joe Biden as president and probably some severe political damage to the Democratic party. But after the smoke cleared, you’d still have no evidence that he was born in Kenya. That forged birth certificate could have been covering up a birth in Norway or Canada or Nigeria for all we know.
I guess though that in a way, Birthers are different from Creationists. A Creationist wants to convert you to his religion via the 2 step process of disproving evolution and proving his religion. A Birther really only has 1 step: prove Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii and get him out of office.
I like that one! Nice and even.
Building 7, Building 7, Building 7. Oh sorry, John, I forgot which insane conspiracy theory being peddled by Jerome Corsi and World Nut Daily you believed in. My apologies. Layers, Layers, Layers. That is more up your alley.
john: If you assume Obama was born in Kenya, all of the evidence will never convince you otherwise.
I don’t know if anyone checked Orly’s site today but she and her flying monkeys are now going after Arpaio for not presenting his “findings” to the DA and grant jury. Some even say he is now part of the corrupt regime. Orly wants him to testify under oath.
I’m glad you brought this up JD; I’ve wanted to comment on the way John uses passive voice, but I didn’t think anyone would find it interesting. I’ve actually used some of John’s posts in my classes to give real-world examples of how unethical writers use passive voice to obscure the person or agent of an action.
It’s all explained here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJO5HU_7_1w
Meanwhile, in the aforementioned medium security wing of the birfoon asylum, the inmates are again mistaking old dried up Lucas Smith droppings for candy bars:
Maxi Extra Heavy Overnight … “Puts Leaks to Bed”
The Museum of Menstruation may have other helpful suggestions:
Au contraire, Arthur! The abuse of passive voice is as fascinating as it is insidious. Conjecture away!
I see birthers using it in an attempt to project responsibility, imply affinity, to dodge accountability, elude commitment, etc. Passive voice is for wascally weasels.
The credibility of that statement is indistinguishable from: Toilet Paper: “The posse cannot confirm yet that Obama was not born in Kenya and did not swim to the United States as a days-old infant to be registered as born in Hawaii, before being covered with a thin candy shell.”
Shredding our language that way is just about the worst form of intellectual anarchy, as when World Nut Daily shamelessly reduces our language to gibberish in their headlining effort to denigrate political opponents.
Accordingly, a headline there trumpeting, “Supremes Told Repeatedly Obama’s Ineligible” can turn out to depend on the presumption that all the justices routinely leave messages on Joseph Un-Fair-Uhs phone-answering machine, and actually pay attention to his greeting.
His publication, in particular, seems determined to make journalism the Stench of the English Language. Like Shakespeare’s pen could make it sing effortlessly; Joe’s stink-pen can make it fart endlessly.
I think you missed what I was replying to. I was saying I liked ASK Esq’s comment on this statement. Where ASK said that it all evens out because they also can’t show that he is the second coming of Christ. No need to turn my nom de plume into toilet paper. The comment you don’t like, because it is indeed nonsense, was originally made by John.
I so wish I could see John’s face when Obama is reelected for four more years!
Hear that noise, John: it’s the black helicopters coming for you!
As an officer in the International Jewish Conspiracy™, I can confirm this is true. Soros is financing the fleet.
That’s what our beloved Alien Overlords would like you to believe.
On December 21st, they will come. 😉
(Totally off-topic, that reminds me of a funny misunderstanding in a press conference in Germany when George Lucas ended saying “May the force be with you” and the German interpreter – not just any Joe Blow, but the one employed by all big TV shows – understood “May the 4th be with you” and thus translated “We’ll be with you on the 4th of May”…)
BTW would it be legal for me to publically state that I cannot yet confirm Sheriff Joe isn’t a serial child rapist?
And I do mean BLACK helicopters.
After they take all his guns away, John will then be forcibly gay married to a communist.
I am neither a writer and definitely not a grammar expert (as seen by the amount of blood on the first draft of my thesis), however, every time John says “it is believed,” I break out in hives.
Could we confirm that the Obama administration does not deny plans to give Maricopa Country back to Mexico after they win in November?
I can’t wait for the SE BUSCA posters offering a RECOMPENSA of 3 million pesos for the arrest of former sheriff Arpaio.
I heard the POSTER IS ALREADY PRINTED:
I think that is a reasonable question. You are not accusing Sheriff Joe of being a serial child rapist. You are merely posing a question that needs to be asked. I think the question should be asked if Sheriff Joe is an accessory after the fact to Glenn Beck’s rape and murder. I read on the ‘net that Glenn Beck’s car was in Maricopa county, at the same time that poor girl met her demise.
I probably just don’t do enough driving in rural areas; this weekend was the first time I saw an example of a “GOOGLE WTC 7” graffito, spray painted near the interstate out in the boonies.
There’s an opportunity here for someone with the right skills to set up a Google bomb to link that phrase to a mental health clinic directory.
“[T]he posse cannot confirm yet that Obama was not born in Kenya”
Reminds me of:
“So, if you’ll sign this contract without reading it, I’ll take your blank check and you won’t not be not loving your time-share before you know it.”
Speaking of, WND published a typical piece the other day “OBAMA IMPEACHMENT BILL NOW IN CONGRESS!!!” * I bet that had the loyals readers all frothy. Sure got my interest. But of course, the story had nothing to do with the header …. just the perennial, “Maybe we oughta rethink this whole war powers thing” bill that perennially goes down in flames.
It did have a hell of an opener: “Let the president be duly warned.”
And that Drew Zahn guy looks really serious.
* i amy have added a few !’s
That’s exactly what they don’t want to happen, once it does the Birther Gravy Train will dry up faster than you can say Citizen @ Birth.
What is more troubling is that we have been unable to rule out Sheriff Joe covering up the illegal transfer of $105,000 to Republican Candidates by his top staff during the 2008 campaign.
I’ve seen a multitude of Birthers say the exact same thing, but Abercrombie NEVER said any such thing!
That is also what the GOP is doing with their Voter Fraud accusations in order
to suppress minority turnout.
Yet, when asked to back up those accusations with actual facts about Voter Fraud their accusations fall flat on their face.
And after Biden is sworn in he gets to pick his Vice President and he will most likely choose Nancy Pelosi. Would they be happier with this? Not likely.
So….you’re saying they need to go ahead and start birfin’ Biden, Pelosi, Hillary … and whoever else they can think of? Reid. Gary Brown. FDR. LBJ. Everyone named Kennedy. Ever. Including George.
Nancy Pelosi can trace her Italian lineage back to her grandparents on her father’s side and directly to her mother. I suppose the birther’s could have a field day with the generous ancestral citizenship policies of the Italian government. For that matter, I suppose it could be an issue for Rck Santorum.
Orly once said on her site that once Obama was out of office, Biden would be forced to resign because of all the scandals surrounding him (I guess these are covered in some super-alternative newspaper I’ve never heard of), and John Boehner would be President.
Here’s another story about Arpaio.
Joe Arpaio Says He’s Running for “Spite” at Far-Right Wingnut Convention
Notice the folder name in the hyperlink?
So now Joe is cozying up to the Sovereign Citizen crowd? Why am I not surprised.