I pulled a copy of Orly Taitz’s Amended Petition from her web site in the case of Taitz v. Democrat Party of Mississippi and the Mississippi Secretary of State. It’s dated April 12 and doesn’t yet appear on the court docket.
First, a little background. Both the Democratic Party of Mississippi and the Secretary of State have filed motions to dismiss. The Court has not ruled on these motions, but both defendants filed answers to the original petition the day after the April 12 submission by Taitz (perhaps intentionally).
When Taitz filed the Amended Petition, all she had to go on was the Motions to Dismiss from the Secretary of State and the Democratic Party. It might be instructive to see if and how the Amended Petition attempts to address points raised in the Motions to Dismiss. The Mississippi Secretary of State and the Democratic Party of Mississippi raised several grounds for dismissal, one of which was that Taitz lacks standing to bring the suit because she is not a Mississippi voter, and therefore has no direct interest in a Mississippi election. In response Taitz has added a Mississippi voter, Brian Fedorka, as a Plaintiff. Even if she were a voter, her grievance would be generalized and she would still lack standing. In order to address the general issue of standing, Taitz has introduced three presidential candidates as plaintiffs: Leah Lax, Tim MacLaren and Laurie Roth.
A second ground for dismissal cited both by the Secretary and the Party was that the Taitz complaint was time barred because it was filed too late. In response to this objection, Taitz has added a Civil RICO action to the suit in addition to the ballot challenge petition and several new defendants, including President Obama, the Obama campaign, the Director of the Social Security Administration, and Hawaiian officials Fuddy and Onaka. The RICO angle certainly complicates things. Taitz was given expedited handling of a ballot challenge petition, but RICO is something altogether different and not entitled to special treatment.
A Civil RICO can be filed in either in federal or state court; however, since the Hawaii Department of Health officials have no business or presence in Mississippi, Mississippi state courts lack personal jurisdiction over them, and I am sure they will be summarily dismissed from the suit. Taitz is seeking treble damages in the RICO suit, but she hasn’t shown how the defendants damaged her. Most of the damages she claims are in the way of harassment by unknown individuals that discovery in this suit is unlikely to identify. The other source of damage is the President referring to Donald Trump as a “side show barker” which Orly, declaring herself the queen of the birthers, took as a personal affront.
A Taitz lawsuit is like monster sucking in everything around it and growing until it is killed (“dismissed” in legal language) and even then it struggles on with motions to reconsider.
For those who don’t plan to read the Amended Petition, I’ll note the usual Taitz points about fake birth certificates, fraudulent social-security numbers (unredacted) with Arpaio, Sankey, Zullo, Vogt and Daniels as supporting characters. There are numerous formatting errors, included several pages where all the text is centered.
One other note regarding the amended complaint:
When Orly started the MS case, she filed pro se in order to avoid applying for pro hac vice.
Then she filed an amended complaint in which she is acting as an attorney for these additional plaintiffs and she started firing off CA subpoena , but she still has not applied for pro hac vice in MS. She did send Judge Coleman a whiny email saying that he should just grant it to her-despite her failure to apply- because this is a Konstitutional Krisisof epic proportions, and hey, that Tepper guy got PHV.
Everything she does is a convoluted mess. RICO, yeh sure Orly. The woman is delusional.
I really hope they come down hard with sanctions. A criminal complaint would be nice too.
I fully expect that someday, Orly will try to include anyone who voted for Obama in her ridiculous RICO attempts.
Anyone who voted for him must be complicit in the conspiracy. And no, in OrlyLaw, it matters not that she could never identify the voters. But would she try? I think so. She is so incredibly clearly mentally ill. Sometimes I actually feel sorry for her. Her hubby clearly knows he is married to a very ill woman, yet he does nothing to help her.
Yes, I am aware that it is very difficult to force a severely mentally ill person into treatment.
But Orly is so very, very clearly mentally ill that you would think some relative would try to force her into treatment.
At times I feel that making fun of her is cruel as she is clearly not even close to being stable. But then I look at the damage she has wrought and I don’t feel that bad.
Reagan is the one who loosened the hold the gov’t could mandate on the truly mentally ill (I think). The country was not necessarily benefitted, let’s say.
Taitz doesn’t even know that the Chinese(and most other Asian countries) always put surname first, then given name.
She refers to Wong, Kim Ark as just Kim Ark throughout the document.
Orly Taitz is crazy……water is wet, fire is hot, I’m hungry by evening after not eating all day, cars have tires on them, etc.
The things Orly doesn’t know would fill…endless pages. ENDLESS.
But she really is mentally ill. Severely so.
I feel the same way. Butterdezillion, that Diogenese man, Orly…….where are the people who LOVE these people???? I think someone told me that butterdezillion’s husband is a preacher!
I can’t believe that the people who are close to these types of folks don’t gently steer them towards some other activity and then, again gently, towards some type of mental treatment. The anxiety level is so high, especially with that butterdezillion person. She has suggested that she’d kill her own kids to save them or some sort of crazyness in relation to President Obama declaring that he’s a dictator or something. That’s not normal.
I mean, I was no George Bush fan, but it never occurred to me to wished that he hurt himself and I certainly didn’t wish him dead – I just wished that Al Gore had won…that’s ALL!!
Maybe there’s just denial all around….
I think Orly should fill out her complaints with her being both the defendant and plaintiff.
Then she could win by default to her own empty chair.
All of this is just Orly vs Orly anyway.
As I mentioned in the other thread, Judge Coleman appears to be ignoring what Orly has labeled her “Amended Complaint.” I don’t know the rules in Mississippi, but in most states you have to get permission from the Court to file an Amended Complaint, and to no one’s surprise Orly never asked for permission.
It may be instructive that when Judge Coleman issued the continuance today, he used the original case caption. This suggests that he may not be allowing the Amended Complaint to be docketed.
I suspect that the families and/or caretakers of Butterdezillion/OrlyTaitz/LameCherry etc. are happy they have a hobby that keeps them out of their hair for a portion of every day.
They are all certifiable. And yes, it is really worrisome that ButterD has indicated she might harm her minor children.
Don’t leave Dianna Cotter (Danae) out of the birther cabal, she’s been writing opinion pieces for Pravda lately.
Hey now…it’s only because she loves America so much that she’s willing to write for an anti-American Russian propaganda outlet.
Being such a person to other birthers (not these named), I can say, nope. It is not a hobby that keeps them out of my hair. Quite the opposite. I come to this site as my version of birther Al-Anon.
Speaking from experience, steering them to another activity or toward the gentlest of anything is like defusing an extremely volatile bomb, and as successfully as MacGruber from Saturday Night Live.
My sincere condolences to you…
But how would you classify the Birthers in your personal life? Are they just self-damaging obstinate paranoid denialists…or would you consider them to be certifiably crazy and in *NEED* of mental treatment?
If the former, I guess there isn’t much you can do except what you are doing and they fully bear the burden of their own stubborn fearful stupidity and its consequences.
If you truly suspect the latter, then the only caring thing (for everyone’s best intererest) is to get them the professional help they desperately need, whether they are unable (and unwilling) to see that or not. I would think there are still legal ways to start a process and get professionals involved to assess and address such cases…
I mentioned Anders Breivik in an earlier post because the issue being discussed in the Oslo court right now is indeed that of the mental competency of a deluded fanatic.
There are political views, even extreme ones, and then, there is mental illness. Next sunday, we’re having our presidential election here in France; we have 10 candidates; some of them are pretty extreme, but none of them are crazy.
People like Taitz, Pam Geller, most of the freepers, etc. are crazies. Unlike Breivik, they haven’t killed innocent people, but they would if they could. Their language certainly indicates so.
Right now, I’m involved in a case regarding a genuinely crazy person — potentially the Mark Chapman kind — I can’t say too much about it, but after a year-plus, we’ve now got the gendarmerie involved and eventually social services will take over & the person will likely be forcibly committed or monitored with compulsory medical treatment (not being a psychiatrist I don’t know how the system with deal with him).
I’m sure there are many people in Norway who wish Breivik had been identified as mentally ill earlier and dealt with accordingly; in the same fashion, I believe Orly should be arrested and examined by doctors.
(I wouldn’t say this of Apuzzo who I think is a hack, a hired gun for a KKK-like organization and a wily rogue.)
No, since Orly can never win, this would create a paradox that will cause all of existence to cease to exist! Be careful with your suggestions!!!
Do you think we could come up with a 12-step program to help recovering birthers?
Ha! It might work, but that first step is a doozy.
It would look pretty much like the underpants gnomes program:
1. Sit down together.
Depends on which one. There is a spectrum, including at least one who gave up birtherism after the long form was released, and just sticks with calling the President a socialist (which after awhile by comparison starts to seem pleasantly quaint). None of them seem to have gone down the two citizen-parents rabbit hole, at least not yet. I would not call even the most obsessed mentally ill. Where there are “issues,” they are more about dysfunction, and the more casual birthers (or even those who don’t give a cr*p about any of it) have the more obvious and destructive personal problems.
So actually, I disagree with those who call birthers certifiable. I find they move in different directions, perhaps even inversely. Perhaps it all breaks down at the furthest extremes, where it can become one big mess of fear, hate, and illness, but while a mentally ill person can rant about conspiracies, I don’t think a ranting birther is a product of mental illness. However “insane” anyone in exasperation wants to call them.
Or to put it another way:
Birthers don’t need to be committed; being committed is their problem.
A Birther’s Prayer
God grant me the serenity to accept that Barack Obama is eligible to be president;
The courage to stop repeating known falsehoods;
And the wisdom to support democracy.
A viable democratic state (yes Birfoons I know the US is a republic. it’s still one of the forms of democracy) needs to have dissent and opposing views.
Unfortunately the freedoms of a democracy mean that the mad and the bad still get to play and piss in the pool.
I break the Birfoons into roughly 4 buckets
1. Fellow travellers, or “birther curious”
These are the folks who for whatever reasons feel that there must be SOMETHING at the bottom of all the loud and insane hoopla but don’t actually feel it is a critical issue. They are basically Republican and Independants but will vote their pocket books come the presidential election. The whole Birther thing makes them a little MORE suspicious of Obama but would recoil in horror from the Danae/BZ mob. May have read bits of Corsi’s books
2. The PBI (Poor Bloody Infantry)
These are the hard core birthers, the foot soldiers and ALL CAPS posters. The idea of Obama as an illegitimate candidate and Usurper falls straight in with their general hate for the Other, the Marxist//Commie/Socialist?DemonCrat.
Bigots by nature, racist by inclination at the very least and will latch onto any idea, no matter how insincere and inconsistent that support their world view. Never voted Democrat, proud of it, never will vote Democrat and calling someone a “Progressive” is (in their minds) a deadly insult.
These are the the ones that think Orly and Dean and Mario are patriotic heros’ but there is major schisms between the varying faiths only bound by hate for uppity black Demeocrat in OUR WHITE HOSUE !!Q!@!!!R$^&*
These are the “No Nonsense Nancy”, Lakinista’s, RcetrJim Red Steels of Internet fame
Main drivers are hate and fear
3. The Mad
Well, Orly, BZ, Dr K(H)ate epitomise this clade of the Birfer Bunch. They not only latch onto every single new (and old) meme or piece of BS that floats, frothy to the surface like ripe Santorum, they MAKE the memes, the wholly believe the memes and it infests and infects all parts of their real lives.
These people may not only be one of..narcissists, delusional, sociopathic, racist, self harming, isolationist and generally barking mad, they usuall are most if not all of them.
They have a well documented pattern of estrangement from family and friends, self destructive behaviour, OCD like activity in support of their views, packrat hoarding of irrelevant data minutae along with a magpies desire for the shiny-shiny. They are consumed by their hate and activities and there is a strong self absorbed ME ME ME need for attention and validation. Cannot accept criticism of any part, no matter how small, of their data set and mind state. Paranoid and delusional, convinced that they are a major player and self appointed guardian of what is RIGHT (politically as well as morally). Convinced rules are for ithers and any requirement that they have to adhere to these rational norms is a direct attack…Cult like behaviour (see Virtual Cult passim).
4. The Bad…The Carpet-Baggers
The cynical war mongers and opportunistic scavengers epitomised by the Birfer Bux Carpet- Baggers like Dean, Corsi, Farah, Arpaio, Trump et-al
Most of them see this as a way to expolit the gullible and stupid for gain, be it for The Precious PayPal, for attention to feed an overweening ego, for political purposes or some or all of the above.
They see the Birthers as sheep or a cash cow to be harvested and fleeced to feed their personal and political needs.
This is also tied into a plain and obvious hate and envy for someone who is demonstrably more important, sucessful and relevant than they can ever be and there is a substantial amount of bigotry and political hate bound into their own perceived self worth.
In some ways these are the most detestable of the 4 Klans, pure bottom feeding vermin with neither principles or morals and a taste for carrion.
Thank you bovril! I had been thinking along those lines, but you summed it up perfectly. When I tried to explain the birthers and there antics to my spouse I was calling them the “true believers” and “grifters”. Your categories break things down even better. Thanks!
Would be a prayer of a birther that got past the hardest step: recognizing the problem. Very little incentive for birthers to do so. They could be wiser, happier, more effective people. But couldn’t we all? They derive negative affirmation and perverse pleasure from birthin’, and grifters avoid more honest work … they could probably realize greater rewards employing their efforts elsewhere, but barring a come-to-Jesus moment, what would cause them to do so? Who’s going to give Corsi a fat book contract to write romance novles (or any other worthwhile topic) based on his past work?
In her comments, Orly says that Karl Rove encouraged her to run for the Senate.
The birther 12 step road to recovery…
1. Obama is eligible, if you cannot agree then proceed to step 2…
2. Obama is eligible, if you still cannot agree then proceed to step 3…
3. Obama is eligible, if you still cannot agree then proceed to step 4…
4. Obama is eligible, if you still cannot agree then proceed to step 5…
5. Obama is eligible, if you still cannot agree then proceed to step 6…
6. Obama is eligible, if you still cannot agree then proceed to step 7…
7. Obama is eligible, if you still cannot agree then proceed to step 8…
8. Obama is eligible, if you still cannot agree then proceed to step 9…
9. Obama is eligible, if you still cannot agree then proceed to step 10…
10. Obama is eligible, if you still cannot agree then proceed to step 11…
11. Obama is eligible, if you still cannot agree then proceed to step 12…
12. Obama is eligible, if you still cannot agree then return to step 1…
He apparently DOES have a sense of humor…
Ternary logic might be a closer approximation to birtherism than binary. In birtherism there are no truth tables, only false tables.
Does anyone know what happened to the case Orly had with Dunn? It was supposed to be heard on Wednesday.
Argued and decision due by July, according to the docket. On mobile so cannot easily link.
Karl Rove to Orly: “Take up crochet, become a missionary, run for the Senate – ANYTHING, but give up this Birther crap.”
According to a letter posted on Orly’s site, Judge Coleman has recused himself from the mess in MS.
Bovril: A good summery. well done.
Ima still suprised that no one here finds it worthy of mention that Coleman recused himself. *heavy sigh*
This sets the MS case back weeks if not months. It makes it highly unlikely that the self-procalimed “Birther Queen” will have any influence on the election.
Guess I am the only one to notice or care….(is there a whistling icon I can plug in here)
And wear less cheap, gag inducing perfume and learn how to stop hurting dental patients?
If Orly showed up in a Court Room with that perfume and the Judge or opposing counsel were terribly allergic to it, what action could be taken?
Aren’t judges the arbiters of courtroom decorum?
I am very disappointed in the judge’s decision, because I really enjoy watching an Orly smackdown–it lifts my spirits better than Prozac! I’m also disappointed that the judge, when making his request, didn’t say something like, “OMG, that woman is fawking crazy! I wouldn’t get within ten miles of that pisher, much less sit in a courtroom with her.”
I thought that was an incredibly smart move by the judge. 1. Someone else gets to handle the crazy bat shit. 2. the case is moved over for at least a month or more, putting it past the primary or so close that any decision is after the primary. 3. The birther queen can not attack him or the supreme court for not granting the motion. 4. someone else gets to handle the crazy bat shit.
The primary has already occurred. In the Democratic Presidential Primary President Obama won to an empty chair. Again.
The other retired MS judges’ reaction to Judge Coleman’s action:
“Don’t Taitz me, bro”
Really? There was nothing on the Evening News.
The primary was on March 13, 2012.
Yeah but there is gonna have to be a do over because Orly sent an email to the Judge said she was filing for a restraining order.
My theory is that Orly was doing that on purpose. MS is the state where the Democratic Party wanted to put her on the stand to testify about who was financing her. It’s obvious she wants to delay that at all costs while trying to save face for the birther audience.
Apparently under Mississippi law a defendant can demand an affidavit from the plaintiff that no one solicited them to file the suit. The Mississippi Democratic Party filed such a demand On March 26.
Betterer and betterer.
I’ve stocked up on popcorn for the long haul.
No fair! No fair! Begley has access to a MS law library!