Birthers try to malign President Obama in every way they can imagine, saying that that his father is not what’s on his birth certificate, and that the President looks very much like a family friend, Frank Marshall Davis. I always thought Barack Obama looked like his grandfather, Stanley Armor Dunham. Stanley’s brother agrees.
You know, he looks exactly like Stanley. He looks exactly like my brother only he’s dark.
My favorite Obama/Dunham photo is:
The default Birther response to that is the tired old sacred sperm/His mom was too young to pass on citizenship combo BS.
Hmmmmm….I think ole Stanley looks more like Frank Marshall Davis, don’t you? 😀
The 58th Inauguration:
Birtherpalooza!
He really looks like his grandfather in that beach picture.
Yes he does. I decoded to add that photo to the article.
The Birthers are still pushing both the (“striking physical resemblance to…”) Malcolm X and the founder of Subud spiritual movement, Muhammad Subuh Sumohadiwidjojo. are Obama’s father at freerepublic.com
It would be great if someone would post both of the Dunham-Obama photos over there!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3508252/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3505162/posts
The Malcolm X story is connected to the debunked Bari Shabazz theory, and the Subuh theory has been debunked because it’s been proven that Subuh was never in the United States between August 1, 1959 and Obama’s birth two years later. For him to have been the father would have required the longest pregnancy in history.
how come that dark brown child turned into a mulatto color after he grew up, and his round face became long, and his fingers are different colors
Do you think it was his white blood and genes showing up late in life.
Did you forget Stanley Ann traveled a lot after graduation from high school and went to Chicago
“Cooke agreed to finance Subuh’s stopover in the US and, with his sister Alice Kent, greeted Subuh on his arrival in San Francisco on March 22, 1958. At around this time, Cooke moved to the Carmel highlands and his home became the Carmel headquarters for Subud.[12]
“The Subud devotees who had gathered around Cooke in 1958 formed the nucleus of a meditation group. The group met frequently and attracted many others. At the beginning of 1962 the meditation group received a general impression that “something” was coming. February 5, 1962, when seven planets were conjoined in Aquarius, was seen by some astrologers as the date of a worldwide catastrophe. Cooke’s group had expected not a catastrophe but a change in consciousness affecting all of mankind.[14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Starr_Cooke
I’m not an expert on this subject, but I have read on occasion that color film formulations in the past did a poor job of capturing dark skins.
It’s human nature to look at something and think they understand it fully, when in fact they lack the background knowledge to do so.
To say nothing of the rather common occurrence of people’s features changing (e.g., hair, skin, and even occasionally eye color) during the maturation process.
Doesn’t the President’s skin color get darker as he spends more time in the sun?
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/x610.jpg
http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/obamavacation-e1420968691744.jpg
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Not to mention that the child had been playing in the Hawaiian sun.
Yep, here is an example of Presidential tan lines.
http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/barack-beach.jpg
So, traderjack’s entire existence in a nutshell.
White blood?
Oh, and lots of people travel to Chicago.
We’ve already been through this with a birther years ago. There is no proof Ann Dunham and Subud were ever in chicago at the same time.
I’m sure Trader Jack meant “white blood cells.” No one living in 2017 really believes that there is any such thing as “white blood.”
Trader Jack obviously can’t tell the difference between Malcolm X and the Subud spiritual movement.
He can’t tell the difference between milk and lead paint either.
Trader Jack actually believes that what people look like as young children remains exactly the same into their adult life.
Its a good thing that there are photos of Barack Obama available for just about every year of his life.
Oh, I know the differences pretty well, doc, One of my sub-majors in college was anthropology and one of the courses was physical anthropometry which is the study of the human body’s measurement and characteristics.
However, at my age, I have forgotten some of it.
My goodness , he is as white as the man in the background. I guess he lost all of the melanin from his skin as he aged.
My comment was based upon rickey saying that it had been proven that Subuh was not in the USA from 1959-1962 and I was pointing out that he may have been in error.
there is actually no proof that they were not in Chicago at the same time , is there
Subuh is different than Subud.
Doesn’t BLM demand that white blood be eliminated.?
I’m not an expert either, but I have an entire box of color pictures and negatives that my father took, on what was good quality Kodak 35mm film that have all seriously color shifted after 50+ years, some of them terrifyingly so. Jack is an ass and an idiot on top of being a liar and a fool.
Methinks Trader Jack is terribly fixated on skin color.
It would appear so.
I am a different color in almost ever school picture, not to mention the various 35mm and Kodak Instamatic photos. My face also looks nothing like it did when I was 6.
You are, as always, an ignoramus. I know a helluva lot more about Subuh and his travels than you do, and I know a helluva lot more about Stanley Ann Dunham than you do.
She went to Chicago in the summer of 1959, not after her high school graduation. Subuh gave three talks in Chicago that summer, between June 17 and June 25. By June 30 he was in Denver, and Stanley Ann was still in Chicago.
Even allowing for the extremely remote possibility that she met Subuh during the two weeks or so that he was in Chicago, if he had impregnated her she would have given birth the following March, while she was a senior in high school. Is there any evidence that she was pregnant while she was in high school? Of course not. And there is no evidence that she traveled anywhere after her graduation up until the time she and her parents moved to Hawaii.
Subuh was never in the United States at any point in 1960. He was in Europe from August 1, 1959 until January, 1960, when he returned to Asia. So unless he had some magic sperm that was able to fly halfway around the world, he was not Obama’s father.
Now you are misquoting me. I never claimed that Subuh was not in the United States in 1959. What I said is that he was not in the United States after August 1, 1959.
It’s like this. You make things up, whereas I do actual research. Subuh’s talks during his around-the-world 1959 tour, including dates and locations, have been published and are still available.
As our 44’th President likes to say, “Let me be clear.” Mature adult Barack Obama looks like his grandfather looks in that picture. To me, the toddler in that picture does not look much like the middle-aged man in that picture. Yet they both, in different ways, look like President Obama.
No. Don’t be so effing stupid.
What? Two people who are in Chicago at the same time might not meet each other? It’s not like it’s some big town of 3.5 Million (in 1960), plus the tourists in town on any given day.
Former NBA player and current head coach of the Milwaukee Bucks Jason Kidd has a black father and white mother.
Jason Kidd as a child:
http://www.nba.com/media/kidd_child2_250.jpg
Jason Kidd now:
http://www.jasonkidd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/0702_jk8.jpg
As an adult many people have questioned whether he is black or white. As a child, not so much.
And as a 16-year-old she must have found the 58-year-old Subuh to be irresistibly sexy!
The “Subuh as Obama’s father” theory is so ridiculous that only a Neanderthal like Trader Jack could find it credible.
This is one of the things I hate about birthers. They make some stupid effing ridiculous claim as fact, and then force others onto an uneven playing field to defend reality.
I have a couple of questions for trader jack:
What can you tell us about the rape and murder of Georgette Bauerdorf in West Hollywood in October of 1944?
Were you questioned by the police?
Where were you the night of October 11th and early morning of the 12th? Can you provide proof of your whereabouts?
Have you been questioned in similar crimes? Have you spent time in prison?
As long as he draws breath, that’ll never happen.
Trader Jack is ignorant of the fact that thousands of people of Caucasian heritage are members of Black Lives Matter.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/thousands-seattle-teachers-organize-black-lives-matter-rally-article-1.2838415
What do you think happens to ANY person’s skin tone when they spend a significant amount of time on the beach in Hawaii?
Honolulu is, by far, the U.S. state capitol that is the farthest South and the closest to the equator.
Just to confuse Trader Jack even more than his every day white racist confusion, here’s a photo of a person who has zero African racial heritage. He’s from the island of Fiji and his ancestry is East Indian:
http://www.bunkersparadise.com/17536/pga-news-vijay-singh-files-lawsuit-against-the-pga-tour/
Actually, the white grandfather’s skin tone in the beach photo looks almost the same as Obama’s skin tone in the photo that follows.
The point is that if his white grandfather looks that dark in the beach photo, we would expect his grandson to look even darker.
Which he does.
People change as they get older. I used to have flaming red hair till I was 15, then it slowly began turning brown. And then I lost it all. I guess this means I changed fathers, only I still look very much like my father. IT’S A CONSPIRACY!!
The only think mysterious is why anyone thinks Jack is serious with his BS
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Sure I can , I was at camp shoemaker, in Cub 16, Acorn 12, and FTU 54, assigned as brig warden for the brig at Camp Park in the same are, had the 12-4 duty assignment.
LOL
Having spent 6 years there in Honolulu, I will tell you truthfully that your skin turns red, you get blisters, and have fun pushing the water around in the blisters until the skin peals, living a nice normal skin tone. I swam at Ft. Derussy, and at the Royal Hawaiian beach and almost drowned at Nanakuli.
But, to be totally accurate, I do not know what happen to ANY individual person’s skin when exposed to that sun. Some people may be more , or less sensitive, to prolonged exposure, as my experience was limited zinc chloride for sun exposure.
And you know for sure that is his grandson and not his son, as that is one of the rumors. as there are no pictures of Stanley in an apparent pregnancy,
Also, considering just how old the photo is, the color shift is not only not unusual, but expected, except maybe by a faux graduate from Berkeley.
Over the last 70 years, a few things have changed in the study of biological anthropology.
Don’t give up your day job. You’ll never make it writing satire.
Do you have any photos of your mother when she was pregnant?
And speaking of your mother, did she fail to teach you about spreading false rumors?
What you’re describing is sunburn.
Extended exposure to the sun causes a black person’s skin to get darker.
I have a Mexican-American friend whose brown skin turns near-black after a few days at the beach.
I don’t think birthers have mothers. They were raised by wolves.
Please – you are disparaging a noble, intelligent, sociable animal; the polar opposite of birthers:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1438166043080464/
I dunno, wolves work togeth… um… hunt intell… um… communica…. um… are clean?
Agreed. Birthers wouldn’t survive 5 mins in the wild.
So you freely admit that you were in California on the night of Georgette Bauerdorf’s murder (although you claim to have been several hours away at the time).
This is a stunning confession. In the fall of 1944, US servicemen were located literally all over the world. Europe. The Pacific. That’s where the action was.
And yet YOU admit to having been, not just in the same country, but in the very same STATE, out of 50 American states, as Georgette Bauerdorf.
You could’ve been anywhere. But you were in California.
And you were what? 23 years old back then? Young and, shall we say, red-blooded.
You further admit to having been a serviceman at the time.
Georgette Bauerdorf was very much known for hanging out with servicemen.
The night of her murder, in fact, Georgette spent the entire evening at the Hollywood Canteen, a club set up especially for, and catering exclusively to…
US servicemen.
She met someone there.
In addition, you admit to having been a “brig warden.” As such, you would’ve been specifically trained in restraining people and holding them prisoner.
There’s obviously no coincidence here. I’d get a lawyer if I were you.
Tell me something. Do you admit you were still in California two years later, in January of 1947?
What’s trader jack hiding? He needs to release all his records.
He also should reveal his real name: https://www.facebook.com/michael.marinsky
That hypothesis might need testing. NADT.
I have some friends who never tan, they only burn. A few summers when I was younger, I tanned quite nicely as I was doing outdoor work, often as a lifeguard. Not so much now.
I remember a time during college when we returned from spring break. I was hanging out with friends in one of our dorm rooms when Steve, who happens to be African-American, comes in and mentions to Tony, who is also African-American, “wow, you got quite the tan.” Having grown up in mainly white suburbia, I did not notice the difference, especially since I did not have before and after pictures. Tony and Steve were quick to point this out.
They also pointed out that it was easier to use a fake ID with most white store clerks than and black ones.
Over the years, we lost touch with each other but I am grateful for the time we spent together in college, and not just for hanging out with friends. Not only did I hear about life growing up in inner city Detroit, which is much different than my west Michigan suburb, but I also experienced first-hand the looks and suspicion they received on a daily basis. It was an eye-opening experience.
This could easily be settled if he would release all of his records, that show he can be 100% verified to have been on duty at Camp Shoemaker at the dates and times of the murders, and have those independently examined and verified.
All I want is to prove that he’s innocent of those awful crimes.
What we’ve seen so far is beyond suspicious.
It’s also suspicious that he says that he worked the “12-4” watch. A real military man would say that he worked the 2400-0400 watch or the 1200-1600 watch. “12-4” is ambiguous – does he mean that he worked noon to 4:00 p.m., or midnight to 4:00 a.m., or was he working a 16-hour watch from noon to 4:00 a.m. or midnight to 4:00 p.m.?
Why won’t he provide us with his name and service number, so we can file a Freedom of Information Act request for his service records?
Sure, you can do anything you want if you really want to do it.
But, you can not prove that the child on the back of the man is the man’s child, can you?
I can surmise that there are two children in the picture, and the one appearing to throw something at the person, is the older child on the man, and is upset that the father is paying more attention to the younger son.
Actually, the color film degrades from the action of light on the positive, and a picture in an album will show less degradation than a picture on the mantle, and that picture is definitely not a mantle picture.
Better check your birth roots as this old sailor was seducing the young ladies in your birth town, and you would not want to upset your possible father, would you, or , in some cases, your possible grandfather,
Does Trader Jack know for certain that his so-called “offspring” are really his? He says he would only marry a Swede and Swedes, since the times of the Vikings, are known far and wide for their promiscuity.
It can’t be proven because the child on the back of the man is the man’s grandchild, you dolt.
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Interesting, this is kinda like Rorschach test results.
Oh, No’s!!!!! In the following picture, both Stanley Dunham and Obama are lighter skinned than the earlier photo. The horror.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/wnd-20110407-obamagrandparents.jpg
So, ignoring the impact of living in the sun, having your skin lighten with age is just normal, or possibly even a family trait that Obama inherited from his grandfather. Either way, it rather messes up your “argument.”
I guess it’s time for you to make up a new excuse or 14.
Because everyone knows that only one family at a time is allowed on the beach at Waikiki?
Oh, wait…
Trader Jack should be recommended to the Guinness Book of World Records for believing and promoting the most birther conspiracy theories concerning Barack Obama.
So you further confess you were going after multiple young ladies, in a promiscuous lifestyle.
I’d pony up for that lawyer, if I were you.
There, there. The man is a veteran, if we believe him. And I have no reason to doubt.
Also, if he’s really 95 years old, as he says, then he’s really doing remarkably well.
There’s an odd paradox here. I respect folks who’ve made it into their 80s or 90s, and I further respect those who still have the mental sharpness at 95 or so to carry on a lively conversation.
I even further respect those who served our nation as a part of our Great Generation. Deeply so.
Unfortunately, trader jack seems to combine those things with birtherism, which (in and by itself) is worthy of complete disrespect.
So I don’t know quite what to do with him. I respect all the things that are worthy of respect, and it seems there may be quite a few.
Of course, it would help further if he would release all of his records to us, so that we can verify he wasn’t in on that incident in West Hollywood… 😀
Good call, Davidson.
Looks like Stanley Armor Dunham had sex with Frank Marshall Davis and obama junior popped out.
No less likely than the obama boys giving birth to Blanchard and Nesbitt after all.
Keep up the great twerk.
For Trader Jack:
https://spinditty.com/artists-bands/The-Changing-Face-of-Michael-Jackson
That’s hard to believe.
I like to think that I disregard both skin color and pop culture, but in my time there was no way to close my eyes tight enough to not see, as Traitor Jack put it, “a brown child turn white”.
Famous from childhood. Justly hailed as a “crossover” artist. “King of pop.” For those of us too young to be baby-boomers and too old to be millenianls, the biggest star of our time. Admitted to plastic surgery changing the shape of his nose, but denied deliberate effort to lighten his skin.
Anyone not know who I am referencing? Anyone over 30?
Now we’re looking at this beautiful photo, of our President as a child, frolicking on the beach with his grandfather. Most of us want to show it to the next generation, to tell them to have fun, but also to prepair to run the world, as that little dark-brown boy grew up to do.
When Birthers see at that same photograph, they look for any chance to tear down President Obama. Jack tells us that child-Obama’s skin tone is too dark. His response is to announce that, presumably prior to seeing that one picture, “I have never seen a brown child turn white”.
About eight years ago I called Birthers, “racists largely, bigots mostly, kooks all.”
I stand by my reporting.
Amen.
Good old Michael Jackson, who was a great artist, apparently had some whitening procedures on his visage, and surgery, which does not make him less than what he was.
may he rest in peace
“How to change a person’s skin from dark to light in Photoshop:”
http://www.designpanoply.com/blog/how-to-change-a-persons-skin-color-from-dark-to-light-in-photoshop
My guess is that Jack has spent most of his life trying to avoid contact with brown people.
Eddie Murphy changed colors in one movie.
https://youtu.be/N3jx4WIUYy4
As did Lenny Henry, the British Black Comedian. Pretty decent movie actually
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Identity
I found trader jack’s bro on YouTube. Hyzercreek is another Birther who claims the African race designation is iron clad proof that Obama’s BC is a forgery. when I linked my articleabout the African race designation being used for survivors of the Titanic he replied: