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The Betrayal blog, as it often does, reports/copies information from Dr. Orly Taitz, DDS as in an article entitled: A Raft of Subpoenas. I’ve commented on the ridiculous lawsuit already in my article: Alan Keyes Needs a Good Lawyer , but I let fly on The Betrayal just now anyway.

Orly/Betrayal: As per Executive Order: Granting Reciprocity on Excepted Service and Federal Contractor Employee Fitness and Reinvestigating Individuals in Positions of Public Trust, see attached, please provide copies of any and all records in regards to level of character and conduct necessary pertaining to Barack H. Obama, a/k/a Barack H. Obama, II a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro. These documents have direct relation to holding a Position of Public Trust.

Dr. Conspiracy: Dr. Orly failed to read the fine print at the end of the Bush executive order which in plain language says it cannot be used as grounds for a lawsuit. See section 7(d) which says: “(d) This order is intended only to improve the internal management of the executive branch and is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers, employees or agents, or any other person.”

Oh, and “Sec. 8. Effective Date and Applicability. This order is effective upon issuance and is applicable to individuals newly appointed to excepted service positions or hired as contractor employees beginning 90 days from the effective date of this order.”

Which points out that it wouldn’t apply to the President (not a Federal Contractor nor a Civil Service employee) and it even if it did, President Obama was “hired” before 90 days after the signing of the order on January 16, 2009 and hence it’s “not applicable”.

I’m not sure what this lawsuit was for, but winning is clearly not the reason.

The Bush executive order cited by Orly has disappeared from the White House web site, I suppose due to some house cleaning by the Obama webmaster, and possibly because Obama canceled it. Of course, I have friends inside who got me a copy. [That’s inside the Google cache, not inside the White House.]

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27 Responses to Post on The Betrayal about Dr. Orly’s Bush Executive Order Lawsuit

  1. avatar
    George Orwell III January 22, 2009 at 4:38 am #


    Executive Order 13487

    I don’t see itin the Federal Registry yet but that is not unusual. Things there might appear until as much as 10 days later.

    Its not on the archived Bush White House site either- again that’s only 2 days old so who knows what will get added in the near future.

  2. avatar
    bogus info January 22, 2009 at 7:48 am #

    (d) This order is intended only to improve the internal management of the executive branch and is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers, employees or agents, or any other person.
    Sec. 8. Effective Date and Applicability. This order is effective upon issuance and is applicable to individuals newly appointed to excepted service positions or hired as contractor employees beginning 90 days from the effective date of this order.

    Guess Doc Orly didn’t read the above?

  3. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 22, 2009 at 1:33 pm #

    It WAS on the old Whitehouse web site, and as of yesterday the cached version was on Google.

  4. avatar
    bogus info January 22, 2009 at 3:45 pm #

    On all these “patriot” blogs, they are thinking that Bush’s Executive Order gives Doc Orly the right to sue and obtain information. I just don’t read Bush’s Executive Order this way. Am I perhaps missing something?

  5. avatar
    bogus info January 22, 2009 at 3:57 pm #

    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=833

    SCOTUS Docket System Backonline
    “This supplemental brief is important. It was filed and had subpoenas issued based on President Bush’s last Executive Order to have Individuals in Positions of Public Trust provide copies of any and all records in regards to their level of character, conduct and fitness for investigation.”

    Read the above, can a lawyer just file supplemental briefs anytime they please to SCOTUS? Why is Doc Orly putting so much emphasis on Bush’s Executive Order?

  6. avatar
    bogus info January 22, 2009 at 4:05 pm #

    Doc Orly is encouraging people to call SCOTUS as usual:

    “Maybe if more made phone calls, these briefs will get distributed? Thanks!”

  7. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 22, 2009 at 5:01 pm #

    I’m assuming the Supreme Court deals with this judicial advocacy stuff all the time.

  8. avatar
    bogus info January 22, 2009 at 5:09 pm #

    Berg has it posted on his blog for people NOT to call SCOTUS.
    If SCOTUS denies Doc Orly’s case tomorrow(I believe they will), do you think that might take some of the “wind out of their sails?”

  9. avatar
    Patrick McKinnion January 22, 2009 at 5:20 pm #

    No. They’ll just claim SCOTUS is part of the conspiracy. The nuts at “Citizen Wells” are even talking about a “Citizens Supreme Court of the United States” to replace the “corrupt” SCOTUS

  10. avatar
    bogus info January 22, 2009 at 5:39 pm #

    Patrick,

    “Nuts” doesn’t even begindescribe these people.

  11. avatar
    bogus info January 22, 2009 at 5:51 pm #

    I do believe this bunch has indeed gotten worse since President Obama was sworn into office, if that was possible.

    SCOTUS is just going by the law. Nothing more. Is SCOTUS suppose to “change/modify the law” just for them?

    Wonder how much in donations Berg/Donofrio/Wrotnowski/Orly/ etc. have received from this? Wonder how much that Plains Radio has raked in?

  12. avatar
    George Orwell III January 22, 2009 at 8:19 pm #

    UPDATE!!

    Something odd is going on with the Executive Order in question. Early this morning it was E.O. #13487 and now it has been re-issued as E.O. #13488 accoding to the best non-governmental hosted archive site dealing with Presidential records. The link is the same to the EO at that archive.

    I’ll get around to re-wrestling the Federal Register for locating it eventually but I’ve verified this E.O. is still absent from the National Archive hosted Bush White House archive site regardless.

    The point here is ifit does not exist in the Federal Register then it is non-binding basically and not a true regulation that can affect or alter standing US Code.

  13. avatar
    bogus info January 22, 2009 at 8:37 pm #

    Is Doc Orly for real? Geeze.

    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=839#comment-4448

    Supplemental Brief has been Distributed!

    I do not normally wish bad things on people but I really, really, really hope this woman gets what is coming to her.

  14. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 22, 2009 at 9:28 pm #

    Looks like the latest executive order on the archive web site is January 9.

    http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/orders/

    You can still get the old White House web site version from the Google cache, by searching for: reinvestigating fitness site:whitehouse.gov

    and clicking on the Cached link.

  15. avatar
    laughinghysterically January 22, 2009 at 10:34 pm #

    ooohhh,sheupped the nitrous suckageI think! Crazier THAN EVER!

    I expect a full-tilt meltdownfrom them all by monday, when her case is DENIED.

  16. avatar
    George Orwell III January 22, 2009 at 10:55 pm #

    Well here is the “new” E.O. #13487 as it appears in the Federal Register…

    From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]

    [Federal Register: January 22, 2009 (Volume 74, Number 13)]
    [Presidential Documents]
    [Page 4097-4098]
    [DOCID:fr22ja09-105]
    [FR Doc. E9-1538 Filed 1-21-09; 11:15 am]
    Billing code 3195-W9-P

    Executive Order 13487 of January 16, 2009
    Establishment of a Temporary Organization To Facilitate United States Government Support for Afghanistan […]

    Most surely NOT the E.O. in question.

  17. avatar
    George Orwell III January 22, 2009 at 11:05 pm #

    Dang it!!! I found it and Bush did indeed sign it. πŸ™

    From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]

    [Federal Register: January 22, 2009 (Volume 74, Number 13)]
    [Presidential Documents]
    [Page 4111-4113]
    [DOCID:fr22ja09-106]
    [FR Doc. E9-1574 Filed 1-21-09; 4:15 pm]
    Billing code 3195-W9-P

    Executive Order 13488 of January 16, 2009

    .

  18. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 23, 2009 at 1:25 am #

    But it only applies to people hired 90 days after signing. So it’s worthless for Dr. Orly’s purposes.

  19. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 23, 2009 at 1:28 am #

    Remember, this is Conspiracy Theory territory. Evidence to the contrary is just grounds for more theorizing.

  20. avatar
    George Orwell III January 23, 2009 at 1:33 am #

    Oh. Sorry.

    I’m 3 steps behind the latest developments again aren’t I?

    πŸ™‚ Well I can’t be bothered with actually reading all that dailynonsense to be honest.

  21. avatar
    GeorgetownJD January 23, 2009 at 7:41 pm #

    Orly’s latest: She has sent a demand for a retraction of “defamatory” remarks by Michael Medved, and threatened to sue him! On her blog:

    “On Monday, January 19th, during Michael Medved’s Radio Show, Mr. Medved made some very disparaging and slanderous remarks concerning my character, mental state and my motives for pursuing legal actions that question Barack Obama’s eligibility to serve as President of the United States. Mr. Medved also made “false” statements concerning the merits of the legal actions that I have filed and insinuated that my primary motive for pursuing these matters is to receive monetary donations from an unsuspecting and misinformed public.”

    ROFLMAO

  22. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 23, 2009 at 8:03 pm #

    Oh please sue him, please!

  23. avatar
    bogus info January 23, 2009 at 8:25 pm #

    GeorgetownJD,

    What are the chances of a retraction from Michael Medved?
    Doc Orly is getting a “dose of her own medicine.” Wonderful!

  24. avatar
    annie girl January 27, 2009 at 4:33 pm #

    To anyone or everyone concerned: It doesn’t matter if Pres. Obama ‘s mother was the Statue of Liberty and he was born in the New York Harbor; He is still not a “natural born citizen”, his father was from Kenya and was a British Subject and not a US citizen. The Law is the Law and the Americans need to know that they are being deceived by a half truth. I wish we still had the program “To tell the Truth” we probably would get a better answer from the contestents then the SCOTUS and DNC wants us to know! ;( sad days for the U.S.A.

  25. avatar
    mimi January 27, 2009 at 4:36 pm #

    That is not how I interpret the law. But, that makes no difference. Nor does it how you interpret the law. It matters how the Courts interpret the law. And… you lose.

  26. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 27, 2009 at 7:05 pm #

    Annie, thanks for visiting. My view is that anyone born in the United States (excepting the children of ambassadors) are natural born citizens and that this was the intention of the framers of the constitution, and sustained by law and the courts consistently from that time until now. [We won’t talk about Dred Scott.] But if you wish to give me a reason to think otherwise, please chime in. In the meantime, let me offer you a little light reading: The Great Mother of All Natural Born Citizen Quotation Pages.