Zombies and birthers By Dr. Conspiracy on March 15, 2011 in Lounge, Zombies One characteristic of birther myths is that even when a stake is driven through their hearts and they are nailed in the coffin, they just keep coming back like zombies. This thread is dedicated to zombies and birthers. See also: A stake through its heart Nails in coffins
I have to take issue with your post – ‘zombies’ and ‘corpses’ are two separate and distinct groups, the latter showing a distinct lack of animation and the former showing an insatiable appetite for brains (I wont get into the distinction between naturally deceased undead Americans and naturalized undead Americans…).
Best not or we then will rapidly descend into the depths of the taxonomy of zombies….
Is a “28 days later” fast rage zombie a REAL zombie or just a drunken Welshman writ large?
“Multi-Tasking in a Z world”…Where does The Umbrella Corporation zombie fit as the virus, kills, mutates the zombie as well as re-animates it.All things for all Z’s
“Shambling, thy name is Romero”, “Classic” v “New Age”
“Would sir like brains with that”..the anatomy of a Foodie Zombie, offal or prime cut?
“Shaun of the Dead”…Does video game play reduce homicidal impulses in your zombie best friend?
“Birthers….are they philosophical zombies?….Discuss”
You forgot about the Walking Dead
My current favorite!
Can’t wait for season 2…gotta get all the larger compiled TPBs someday…I love how they release them in episodic “arcs”…(although I’ve kept fully appraised and current on the full comic storyline and can’t wait to see which elements they keep in the TV series and which they expand or take in different directions. I’ve been happy with both the similarities and interesting divergences in characters and story on the TV show so far and think each format stands as quality on its own.)
I have really grown to love zombie movies. What is strange is that I wasn’t really into them when I was younger and pretty much developed a deep appreciate for them starting sometime in my late 20’s. I’ve since caught up and seen most of the standards and their offshoots. 28 Days Later is also a strong favorite of mine. Shaun of the Dead was hilarious. The Dawn of the Dead remake was one of the best remakes to come out. It really stood up on its own merits. Looking forward to World War Z in eventual movie form.
G I’ve kept up on the comic as well. I’m just waiting in anticipation how much of the actual storyline they will put on TV. Can’t wait to see the governor introduced. I like some of the zombie video games that have come out. There’s this one Zombie Island I’m going to try out
BAH! I’m going to go play some ‘Stubbs the Zombie: Rebel Without a Pulse’ and pretend I’m changing birthers into mindless Obots by eating their brains… Mmmmm, brains…
Look for a new zombie movie “Followed” filmed in Macon, GA that my daughters are a part of. It is based on a short story by Will McIntosh. It is different from any other!
Here is a good resource I like:
Agreed about the Governor… also, can’t wait to see Michonne and her two katanas and to see it they intro her in the same shocking way with the 2 leashed zombies in tow. Also, I can’t wait to see winter weather become a factor on the TV show…as it has had such a reoccurring impact of adding to the mood and threats within the comics. The TV show city scenes came close to what I imagine when I think of the hordes…but knowing how they grow in size and threat…can’t wait to see that play out too.
I really liked the TV’s addition of additional characters so far as well as the whole CDC and hints at what happened that were added and a key part of the last 2 episodes of Season 1.
Awesome! Thanks for the headsup. I started to look into it and found some good links to share:
The trailer and official info can be found on IMDB:
I understand the there might be a movie based on “Pride and Prejudice and Zombies” by Jane Austen and Seth Grahame-Smith.
And I almost positive that Grahame-Smith’s novel “Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter” is scheduled to make it to the big screen. In fact, I think they have actually cast that one.
gorefan: I believe you’re right on those. The James Kicklighter movie “Followed” is actually a “take care of your planet” zombie movie. It puts zombies and their purpose on this earth into a whole new realm. My daughters were extras and the oldest one can be seen on the movie poster. There’s a great book of zombie short stories that this one is in called “The Living Dead.”
Thanks for creating this thread for us, Dr. C!
Huh…somehow I temporarily became “G10388” on a post above when the thread moved.
Darn, and here I was hoping for THX1138… 😉
All work and no play makes for dull Obots.
Or zombified ones! Sometimes I feel like I’m just shuffling through life that way. Thanks!
I may have fire up “Plants vs. Zombies” when I get home…..
Good movie, but no zombies… I do think that zombies are a good model for birthers – though no one has ever figured out how to prevent a birther meme from coming back to un-life…
I’m still going with
“Birthers….are they philosophical zombies?….Discuss”
Cack, out of general nosiness I googled the pahrase and someone has wiki’ed it…..
Fits ’em to a “T”…… 😎
I was too lazy to find the open thread, so I’ll say I’m posting this as an example of a zombie meme (though not a birther meme, it did come from Dr. K(h)ate’s cesspool of intolerance and sedition…).
This exchange was from the latest thread at Dr. K(h)ate’s, [bracketed and bold comments mine]:
Well, it definitely demonstrates brain-dead thinking…so I think it qualifies!
To sort of extend the topic…if birthers are brain dead zombies…do they also fall under other supernatural categories such as being ghosts?
The reason I ask… well, the birthers had their panties all moist about their big media stunt they were going to pull on Sunday, March 13th where “millions” of birthers pulled over on the side of the road everywhere hoping the media would notice…
Well, the 13th has come and past and I haven’t heard a single mention of anyone reporting on it, let alone even a mention of any unusual pull-overs on the road that day.
So, maybe they are all just ghosts and their massive birther gatherings are just invisible to us here in the real, physical world. 😉
It can be proven that zombies have more brain power than birthers, since when you shoot a zombie in the head… it stops.
Also rumour has it that zombies are rare to extinct in birhter states. apparently they starve to death.
I’ve been on the edge of my seat waiting for the news reports of the massive impact of the protest on Sunday. As near as I can figure, the birthers all got distracted thinking of ways to blame the Japanese earthquake on President Obama…
LOL! Great points. Kudos.
Hi Dr C and those that joined me in prayer.
Though not to diminish the continued need for concern and assistance for the people of Japan, I report that my immediate family of aunt uncle and cousins are safe, and that extended family of my cousins wife weathered the earthquake and tsunami in the southern islands.
Slartbartifast, I like your analysis of the haarp comments on dr Kate s blog. Sometimes its the comments where all the fun of the narrative takes place. Do you think that the cort who posted his doubts is the very same ct court from the early NBC cases. Or someone using this name for purposes unknown?
Either way HAARP is real enough. You can view the facility on google maps easily enough. But I’ll leave it to the dead and undead alike to determine if the chile and japan earthquake were caused by the comet elenin or just timed to coincide with its alignment with the earth and sun just like wtc7 was timed to align with planes flying into other buildings. More tasteless humour, yes, but it’s invited given the zombie theme. That day I was able contact family, even though they were part of the dust covered irradiated walking dead out of manhattan. Other friends were simply memorialized as they were otherwise atomized. (Google wtc7 and watch the live BBC report that it had fallen while it still stands in the background. We are all out of Berg’s suit indeed!)
Dr c we have been bandying that birtherism is a tool to distract and dismiss critique as hate fueled bigotry against a man. But its really not about the man. As you put the nails in the bc coffin, the conspiracies to explore I fear are raging outside the interests and expertise of your blog. If you read there, bribery, blackmail, murder, technology, mythos, and simple thuggery work to unseat government, enslave people through debt and dependence, control mood with chemicals and electricity, and bring a new order out of the chaos of collapsing infrastructure, natural resources, and both natural and man made disasters. Whew! What doom! If read correctly we are not exactly the philosophic zombie as mentioned above, but we are all dead man walking nonetheless.
My joyful prayers for hopeful redemption abound.
Glad to hear that your family are all safe and my heart continues to go out to the people of Japan during their time of crisis and loss.
They need to cast Danny Trejo as The Governor
That would be PERFECT! Good call.
From Dr. K(h)ates site they birthers have really gone over the edge….
March 15, 2011 at 2:03 am
OT check this:
The next target will be the New Madrid fault line in the South- Midwestern United States, according to threats originating from the Nazi George Bush Senior faction of the U.S. government
The horrific earthquake weapon HAARP (which can also cause spacequake) attack on Japan on March 11, 2011 which resulting in 10 meter tsunamis along much of Japan’s coast line came from rogue elements of the U.S. government located in underground bases in New Mexico and Nevada, according to pentagon and CIA sources
And when someone calls this poster on his SiFi nonsense….
March 15, 2011 at 7:47 am
I am a Physicist.
The statements made about HAARP in the above video are ridiculous and should be removed from this site. Total Spam Trash. Fear Mongering. It is not good for our movement to have anything to do with this trash garbage fake baloney.
Predictibly the crazy and insane birthers don’t like the fact that they believe in nonsense…
March 15, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Hog wash. You are a physicist my arse…….and I am GOD……
Don’t come here and dictate what people can post. It’s not your blog. Like who are you? HAARP is one of the topics here..right Heather?
March 15, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Kenny boy, as a physicist, then you should know we are talking about atmosphereic geoengineering, weather manipulation, and the effects of a 1 billion watt microwave pulse sent by HAARP (a real project of the military) into the atmosphere.
So, with this kind of documentation available, I conclude you are total spam trash and should be removed from this site. And take your fake baloney sandwich with you.
I should go over there and post about unicorns. But i think they already banned me
March 15, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Before Bingham’s 14th was added in 1868, in 1866 he emphasized in Congress the 2 US citizen parents/born on US soil definition of NBC, that the 14th’s “born in USA subject to jurisdiction” was meant to grant citizenship to former slaves, and did not alter the definition of NBC. All 2nd generation or better from former slaves could also run for president. Then in 1874 Minor held that no 14th-er is ever a NBC. They were struggling to both properly give citizenship to former slaves “born subject to jurisdiction” but not allow someone just born in the USA without citizen parents to become a citizen, and certainly not a natural born Citizen.
The Constitution does define NBC.
1. Congress/Senate has to be age 25 and 7/9 years a “Citizen” but POTUS has to be age 35, a NBC and 14 years a “Resident”.
2. Article II differentiates “Citizen” from “Natural Born Citizen” via the grandfather clause.
So the Constitution says that Citizen is not NBC, and that NBC is not “Citizen” for the purposes of the Constitution. Otherwise it would have said age 35, NBC and 14 years a Citizen. The Constitution makes clear you can’t be both. You can’t start out a Citizen then become a NBC.
There’s a generic umbrella meaning to citizen as belonging to a nation and then the Constitution makes it clear that insofar as its purpose the two terms are distinct. Citizen is not NBC and vice versa.
Around the 1776-1787 era, there were no oath-naturalized Citizens until well after the ratification, and so a Citizen was someone made so by the Declaration of Independence, a former resident who supported the revolution who willingly became a citizen. Well after the ratification, oath naturalization laws were implemented for foreigners and others.
That the term Citizen before ratification could only mean a naturalized citizen by way of the Declaration of Independence, rules out any argument that Citizen only means (in the Constitution) oath-naturalized only. It means a person becomes a citizen by man-made rules. That’s it.
And since a natural born Citizen is what a Citizen is NOT…what a Citizen is NOT is “made by nature”. The Boston Globe article concurs. So in a way, Citizen is synthesized, natural born Citizen is organic — the Berkenstockers will like that analogy.
The only omitted permutation of birthplace and parentage and terminology from the 14th and all laws of naturalization is that for the “organic citizen”, i.e. 2 US citizen parents, born on US soil=NBC.
A natural born citizen, is what a citizen is not!
And for any lurking Obats–
Have you ever seen this? Thomas Jefferson changed the term “subjects” to “citizens” in the draft of the Declaration of Independence? SO MUCH for stupid obot idea that America was under British Law! Jefferson desperately wanted to separate the USA from that notion altogether. See, they try to conflate natural born subject, which is jus soli only, with natural born citizen, which is jus soli jus sanguinis both parents. Just more proof they fail.
Here’s the latest “source” I got posted from a brain-dead birther:
From the Obama File:
Harold says, while looking at copies of Obama’s Certification of Live Birth (COLB) on the DailyKos and Obama’s FightTheSmears websites, I noticed something I have not seen commented on before. At the bottom of the form it says:
This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.
“The fact of birth.” It’s funny how I missed this important point. The COLB is intended ONLY to attest that the person was born — nothing else. In a sense, it affirms what we can logically assume simply by looking AT Obama. If he’s standing there he must have been born. The COLB is not useful, as evidence, outside of the birth itself, and not the circumstances, such as father, mother, attending physician or nurse, or even the date.
Words are everything when it comes to legislation. Courts wrestle with them when a case hinges on the interpretation of legislative intent. What did the legislature mean when it used a certain word rather than another? Cases can be decided one way or another depending on whether a judge believes that Congress intended something that is otherwise unclear in the legislation itself.
I am struck by the fact that the disclaimer uses “fact of birth” rather than “facts of birth.” The latter would encompass far more than the latter and could be interpreted to mean the name of the father and mother, doctor, date, etc. Again, words are everything, so I assume that when the Hawaiian legislature passed those statutes they meant “fact” rather than “facts” for a reason.
Personally, I believe that the COLB was intended only to provide an individual with a basic document establishing bona fides. That is, it shows that the person whose name is on the document really was born and is not a fictitious individual. I wonder if I had printed out that COLB on appropriately marked paper and took it into a bank if they would accept it as proof that I was Barack Obama. I doubt it.”
If such an interpretation were true, one asks why the State of Hawaii would issue such a generally useless document as their standard form of birth certificate.
One also asks that if Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii, how could the State of Hawaii certify that he was born?
You’re asking me to use logic with a birther?
> I wonder if I had printed out that COLB on appropriately marked paper and took it into a bank if they would accept it as proof that I was Barack Obama.
I wonder if you had Barack Obama’s “original long form” birth certificate and took it to a bank if they would accept it as proof you were Barack Obama. For example if you were just 18 years old.
evergreen is ever dense.
More attempts at humor by the Post and Fail….
Who Should be on Trial…Theresa Cao or Barack Hussein Obama?
JUST WHO IS GUILTY OF TREASON AND SEDITION?
On Tuesday, March 15, 2011, at 9:30 a.m., a trial is scheduled for Theresa Cao, who shouted “Except Obama! Except Obama!” on January 6, 2011, when the U.S. Constitution was read aloud by the newly-sworn-in House of Representatives and Rep. Frank Pallone read the section defining requirements for the presidency.
Cao was then arrested and charged with unlawful conduct. But did she break the law? Is exposing treason against the law? Should it be?
Since Obama’s father was a British citizen, Obama was born a British citizen. Regardless of where he was born, his citizenship is British. How, then, could he possibly be considered a “natural born (U.S.) Citizen” as required by Article II, Section 1, clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution?
In a report dated April 3, 2009, the Congressional Research Service equated a person simply born in the United States to that of an Article II, Section 1, clause 5 “natural born Citizen” (page 4). It states that the citizenship of the parents is not a factor unless the parents are foreign diplomats:
On page 11, the CRS document falsely states:
Despite the absence of any formal or administrative or legal requirement or oversight at the federal level, or specific state requirement to produce a birth certificate for ballot placement, it may be noted here briefly that the only “official” documentation on record that has been presented in the matter of President Obama’s eligibility has been an official, certified copy of the record of live birth released by the Obama campaign in June of 2008…The copy of this certificate states on its face, as certified by Hawaii health and vital records personnel, that President Obama was born in Hawaii, in the city of Honolulu on the Island of Oahu, at 7:24 P.M. on August 4, 1961. Under Hawaii law, an officially certified copy of such health record is to be considered for all purposes the same as the original,’ and is “prima facie” evidence of the facts asserted…
With respect to requests to evaluate’ evidence of a foreign birth, it may be noted briefly that there appear to be no official documentary records, or copies of such records, which might be subject to such evaluation…
Governor Neil Abercrombie has stated that Hawaii has no original birth certificate for Barack Hussein Obama, contradicting his predecessor, Linda Lingle, who said that her health department director had “seen it.”
The second paragraph is false because last September, Mr. Lucas Smith submitted to every member of Congress a detailed letter with a copy of a document which he claimed was obtained in Kenya and which states that Obama was born at Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya on August 4, 1961.
Old friend Robert Laity opines on the COLB….
Robert Laity says:
Tuesday, March 15, 2011 at 5:38 AM
The COLB proferred by Obama has been deemd a FORGERY by competent document examiners: There is NO real proof that Obama was born in Hawaii and as Ms. Rondeau so aptly points out mere birth in Hawaii is still NOT enough. Obama’s father was a Brit. Obama, Jr. was also BORN a Brit.Indeed Hospitals IN Hawaii have DENIED any knowledge of Obama being born in Hawaii.The Congressional Research Service personnel who did the April,2009 “report” are,in the popular vernacular, AIRHEADS.
Any word on how crazy Cau acted at her 3/15 court appearance?
Did she show up in her Angel Wings?
Did she bring her crazy “presentation” that she’s been furiously working on, like some 5th grade presentation project?
Did she foolishly ignore the advice of her public defender (or even fire her) and turn down the “plea deal”…like she claimed she would?
Did any of the other circus nuts show up for her this time…of was she abandoned yet again by her fellow flock of fools?
Any updates out there on how this circus act went down yesterday? Anyone???
That irrelevant red herring is very easy to deal with Rennie….you simply agree with the birther regarding that aspect….banks almost certainly would not accept a COLB as proof that the person presenting it is the person on the COLB.
No birth certificate (not even an “original long form”) can ever be acceptable proof on its own that the person bearing it is the person named on the certificate. A birth certificate is not intended to be a means of identification in the first place, it simply formally affirms where and when the person concerned was born. The person bearing it has to provide some other evidence that he is actually the person in the birth certificate.
Well, Cau definitely seems to meet the definition of a brain dead zombie, so I’ll answer my own question by letting everyone know that Patrick over at Bad Fiction has a great new report on the matter, and what a doozie, as the “happenings” are reported from Walter Fitzpatrick’s perspective:
Patrick did a great job of compiling Cau’s crazy motion to dismiss… here’s his link for you to read her “demands” for yourself….
Oh, while I’m at it, here was another interesting tid-bit I learned from Walt’s report:
LOL! So all reasonable council has been trying to tell her that her best option is to plead guilty all along and they must suspect she’s on something, since they’ve also told her she needs to piss in a cup…
I think that says it all…
You’ve seen the video of her bizarre, seemingly non-stop ranting and then dancing, flailing and collapsing, right?
Drugs or not and IANAD, but I don’t think she’s well.
The urinalysis may be standard with such plea offers rather than something someone wanted specifically in Ms. Cao’s case – I doubt the prosecutors have any idea of the full depths of Ms. Cao’s lunacy (not yet, anyway…).
Oh yeah. I’ve seen it. My favorite part is around 1:20, when she’s blathering on with that silly anti-Obama standee behind her and the black guy walks up and looks at it with a “WTF” look on his face and then gives her a crazy look and then the military vet on the other side interrupts and calls her out as a nut too.
I think she definitely has mental illness. I wonder if the judge in this case could end up having her examined by mental health professionals and order treatment.
I can’t even imagine what kind of a scene that would cause…
C’mon Doc, everyone has known since 1968 that if you want to stop the zombies you have to shoot them or bash them in the head
You know Fut I don’t think a lot of those characters in Zombie movies actually watch zombie movies. It usually takes them like halfway through to figure out you have to shoot or bash them in the head to kill them
I had to watch that part several times. That whole group had wtf looks on their faces.
My personal favourite from Madame Cao’s Pile of Orlyness….
Wormholes and Tardis’s required…
Wait what? She just defied the space time continuum… Q will be upset.
Don’t worry, Eddie will calm him down…
We don’t need no stinking Socialist/Commie/Nazi/Mooslem causality
Doc, just wanted to give you a heads up.
I’d warn the birthers to wrap an extra layer of tinfoil around their brains to protect them from being eaten…but then again, there is nothing there to protect.
> You know Fut I don’t think a lot of those characters in Zombie movies actually watch zombie movies. It usually takes them like halfway through to figure out you have to shoot or bash them in the head to kill them
At least in “The Walking Dead” this is explicitly explained somewhere – in the alternate reality of the story, there have been no zombie movies.
A very apt analogy. In the birtherverse alternate reality there is a completely different Constitution, a drastically different population makeup, and no POTUS.