I talked to Chris Strunk in Atlanta last week about his FOIA request for Stanley Ann Dunham’s passport records. He was disgusted with the process and had given up. I don’t blame him. Trying to get a timely and responsive answer through the FOIA to the basic question, “when did she have US passports?” has been a very frustrating experience for me too.
It’s been three years since my original FOIA inquiry. On at least two occasions the US Department of State has violated the statute by failing to respond within the time mandated by Congress. I’ve had to appeal, and my appeal proved valid since it netted me an additional (but uninteresting) document.
Today I received a letter from the appeals officer stating:
The Department has no basis for believing that we have any additional records and all responsive records have been produced at this time.
That is a very troubling response because if it is true, the Department of State has not only destroyed the 1965 passport application of Stanley Ann Dunham (which is plausible) but also the microfilm copy of the issuance card for it and that is very implausible, since documentation exists to show that cards from that period were microfilmed and to destroy it would be a violation of retention policy.
Frankly I don’t believe that they have released all the records they have. That said, I already decided that, unlike Mr. Strunk, I am not going to take the federal lawsuit option. No less than Jesus Christ himself advised his followers (of which I am one) not to get tangled up in lawsuits.
However, what I am going to do is to submit another FOIA request, this time in written in such an iron-clad manner that they can’t squirm out of it with squirrely language and cannot use the ploy that one person deny what another person knows is true.
The Department of State has 20 working days in which to respond as to whether they will perform the search.
So check back in a couple of years to see what happens.
Doc: It may comfort you to know that you are not alone. An article in yesterday’s NY Times discussed this very subject. On Jan 4 of this year, the Times received a final response from the Defense Department to an FOIA filed June 1, 1997. According to the National Archives, there are FOIA requests outstanding that date back to 1992. So don’t give up. you may only have 17 more years to wait.
By the way, not being able to locate the microfilm is not the same as having destroyed it.
Philosphically not the same, but if no longer retrieval by research, no matter how exhaustive, it’s effectively the same.
Well if there is evidence to say it existed, and they say there is no evidence that they have it, then the only logical conclusion is that they know it was destroyed (stolen, eaten by the dog, slipped into a black hole, etc.).
Referencing Chris Strunk’s ravings over on the “Doctors and Obots and Birthers, oh my!” thread, did the State Dept. claim any exemption? Or just say they can’t find it? If they claimed a national security exemption, that would be a story! 😀
Or it’s lost in some enormous archive. Have you never lost something?
While practically, both means they can’t find it now, destroyed implies a deliberate act. which you lack evidence for, while lost implies careless or slopiness but no intent.
I’m curious and if you don’t mind me asking, but what is it you’re looking for among President Obama’s mother’s passport records?
Thieves have struck – but don’t panic
WHEN the team of investigators at the National Gallery of Victoria realised that a valuable 19th-century painting had been stolen, they made what director Gerard Vaughan called ”an immediate report”.
But all things are relative in the art world, and ”immediate” to the state gallery’s trustees turned out to be what some would consider a rather leisurely 12 years.
British landscape painter Richard Parkes Bonington’s Low Tide at Boulogne was painted about 1824 and given to the gallery at the start of last century. Valued at $200,000, it went missing in 1999. Now, after more than a decade of searching for the unsigned, undated oil painting, which measures just 22 centimetres by 18 centimetres, the gallery has decided it has been stolen.
I worked in a library one summer. It was not uncommon that a book that our circulation system said was on the shelf was, in fact, not on the shelf. When a patron reported such a lost book, we made a note of the book, and checked the shelf over the next couple of weeks to see if it had been returned by library personnel as they regularly cleaned up books left on tables throughout the library. If it didn’t show up in two weeks, we declared it a lost book. I cannot tell you how many library patrons expected me to pull lost books out of thin air so that they could read them. Sometimes things get lost and there is nothing anyone can do about it. It sucks, but that’s the way things are in an imperfect world.
Having had to do my share of microfilm research – back in the days before computers – it’s amazing at how many rolls could get misfiled, put into the wrong labeled box, or just be misplaced somewhere. That was for looking up old research articles or newspaper articles, so I can imagine that it’s not unlikely that it might still be there, but in the wrong place. Sometime in a few years or decades for now, someone will be looking for something else, and find it.
Doc, would characterize your FOIA request as one desiring simply more data to bolster or archive the already reasoned proof we’ve been provided or do you (did you) have doubts yourself at one time?
No personal slam or judgment at all, but I’m always wondering if this site isn’t some sort of cathartic work.
Since you’ve said you’re a Christian and such belief can be very much like birtherism in many ways, I sometimes wonder what your internal motivation is.
Sorry if I put you on the spot. Ignore me if you’d like.
However understand I have great respect for your work, enjoy your site immensely, but I often find myself juxtaposing these two seemingly paradoxical beliefs you appear to embrace:
One that requires no proof and another that’s proof based.
“The Department has no basis for believing that we have any additional records and all responsive records have been produced at this time.”
Dr. C. – there are no ‘additional’ records because there was no such person. Obama’s mother’s actual identity is Jo Ann Newman. Sadly, you will discover this.
I for one cannot see how you do not see that your post is insulting to Dr. C. and to all Christians.
Because Martha Trowbridge said so in a piece of badly written fiction?
That’s really pathetic trolling.
Why didn’t you go to the hearing in atlanta and testify to this and save everyone a lot of trouble?
You’re the one posting lies about Obama’s mother, yet you criticize others for being insulting to Christians? Have you ever heard of bearing false witness?
I can always count on attack, disrespect, ridicule and distortion of my statements when I post here – not from all but from some of you.
Dr. C, from how you present yourself as a decent man, I do not know how you stand for such indecent behavior.
Yes, I don’t think I would be as kind as him and let you continually post lies about the deceased mother of our President.
Why would a steaming pile of crap like Trowbridge’s badly written fiction deserve respect?
It’s an idiotic, half assed smear piece with zero credibility. The Mars story was asinine but FAR more entertaining.
And it would be laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic.
Here’s some non-fiction that rational people here and anywhere in the world can rely on backed by the state of Hawaii and the Full Faith and Credit of the United States Constitution.
Note the name of the father and mother.
http://www.slideshare.net/whitehouse/birth-certificatelongform
If you want to be treated with respect, produce some proof that Jo Ann Newman is Barack Obama’s mother. Proof, not some wild fantasizing by Martha Trowbridge.
And speaking of Trowbridge, didn’t she promise months ago that she was going to reveal where Jo Ann Newman is living? What happened to that? Or was that yet another empty birther promise?
You will soon see this proof from the authorities.
Any . . . day . . . now.
You said we would see it last week. Give us a hard date. Predictions without a hard date (remember Dow 36,000-it will hit that SOMEDAY) are useless.
Have you discovered that you’re mentally ill?????
I know…….can you believe this hypocrit……..sapien annie or whatever his name is……..idiot!!
Or – could another possibility be that the request was intercepted and the records that were presented, not authentic?
I can always count on birthers talking a mythical time called “soon.” There are other mythical times called “any day now” and “by this time next year” and my favorite so far, “THE TRIAL IN ATLANTA or Thrilla in Manilla, oh wait, that was, oh nevermind.
You birthers alternate between hilarious, desparate and pathetic.
I picture a neatly wrapped shoebox hidden under the bed with “AUTHORITIES” scrawled in burnt sienna crayon on the lid and inside are adorable, little modeling clay figures dressed very carefully in little suits and each figure is holding a little stack of documents with “PROOF” stamped on each page.
Good evening, jayHG – any relation to jayZ, per chance?
Perhaps not.
Perhaps you are a relation of Bâri′ M. Shabazz?
HG: “Alchemists thought of mercury as the First Matter from which all metals were formed.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element)
Bâri′ : “According to Islam, God as al-Bâri′ is the creator of all: http://www.harunyahya.com/isim_sunum/bari.html “al-Bâri′: The Maker, The Producer, The Evolver, The Maker From Nothing” http://wahiduddin.net/words/99_pages/bari_12.htm
What authorities? Name one.
If you don’t wish to be ridiculed, stop being ridiculous.
Um…ok… that was a pointless non sequitor.
Quick question for you. Who said this?
“It’s too late. The whole world now knows about your scam. Your credibility is zip.
No one has faith in liars.”
Guess what? With a little digging, I have come across records which show that the Social Security Number for Bâri′ M. Shabazz was issued in 1974 in the name of Barrington Smith, date of birth 10/28/59. At some point between 1974 and 1982 Barrington Smith had his name legally changed to Bâri′ M. Shabazz, probably after converting to Islam.
This pretty much shoots a hole in theory that Bâri′ M. Shabazz was the son of Malcolm X. Why would the son of Malcolm X be named Barrington Smith?
In our defense, much of what you say is completely moronic. So, there’s that.
Fascinating. Barrington Smith converts to Islam at the same age as Malcolm X’s conversion.
Keep talking.
Really? That’s the best you can do?
You believe that was unusual for black men to convert to Islam while in their twenties? Try telling that to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
Barrington Smith
Gender – Male
32-26 98th Street
East Elmhurst, NY 11369-1827
SSN: 084-54-5926
DOB: 12/28/59
Bâri′ M. Shabazz
Gender – Male
32-26 98th Street
East Elmhurst, NY 11369-1827
SSN: 084-54-5926
DOB: 12/28/59
Or Mohammad Ali
Oh yeah, nice find. Good work.
Rickey, since you have such great interest in Bari M. Shabazz, here is some information for your reading pleasure:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/11/08/is-putative-president-barack-hussein-obama-ii-really-bari-shabazz-fugitive-from-justice-for-21-years/
http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/11/09/why-was-the-criminal-record-of-bari-shabazz-altered-21-years-after-his-alleged-death/
http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/11/05/have-public-records-on-bari-m-shabazz-been-altered-in-the-last-three-days/
Why would I be interested in Barrington Smith?
And when I am interested in trustworthy information, the Post & eFail is one of the last places I look.
This was my interpretation based upon the digging you reported you had done for the person you claim is Bari M. Shabazz.
My interest is in debunking lies about President Obama. The fact that Barrington Smith aka Bari Shabazz was cited for a traffic violation in Hawaii is of no interest to me.
Incidentally, have any of you birthers bothered to contact the owners of the East Elmhurst, N.Y. address to ask them what they know about Bari Shabazz? I didn’t think so.
The Post & Email…seriously??? Heck, why not quote The Globe or The Enquirer or Pravda while you are at it. *rolls eyes*
No wonder you are such a nut! You fill your head with nothing but garbage from crank sites! You truly lack the ability to discern between fact and fiction…
Making up stories like President Obama is really the son of Malcolm X is a dog whistle to racists. Why not say that he is Al Shapton’s son? Or that he is a Kenyan Anti-Colonialist.
With credit to Misha for the “dog whistle” line.
Hmm.. Looks like Martha Trowbridge may have some additional creative editing in her future. Good job, Ricky.
And yet, Annie appears entirely clueless that you just blew a very large hole in their Shabazz meme (or more appropriately called, their made up pile of……)
You and your little, angry birther bigot buddy Mario must be covered in fleas.
Isn’t Sharon Rondeau that mediocre harpist with a bizarre obsession with the President?
That must be the terrible truth they keep babbling about.
Because Al Sharpton wasn’t/isn’t a radical Muslim. And because they’d have to stretch the truth even more to claim “look, he looks just like him!”.
As I’ve said before, the Malcolm X angle (and the Frank Marshall Davis angle) comes from the “old school birthers” who still believe Obama may have been born in the US, but has some other “embarrassing secret” to hide that would make him ineligible – not legally, but to the voters (as in “I won’t vote for him because he’s the son of a radical” or “… because his father was a terrorist” or whatnot).
PS. The smoking gun about Martha Trowbridge should be that she places only her warped reality articles about the alleged “true Obama story” under copyright notice, not anything else she publishes about eligibility. If it’s not fiction, why copyright it?
I sense a book “The real autobiography of Obama” coming…
To say that Mr. Obama is the son of Mr. Sharpton is not true. He is not. He is the son of Malcolm X.
To say he is a Kenyan Anti-Colonialist is also not true.
As for Mr. Sharpton, I see you gentlemen are in need of a political history lesson. He was mentored by the socialist left – including Fred Newman. So you see, even if Mr. Obama were the son of Mr. Sharpton, politically he would be sitting in the same pot.
Stop a moment and think. When it is proven that Mr. Obama falsified his identity and family history, the last place he will be is on a ballot.
Why does AP copyright its news stories? And its photos?
C’mon, SA, you’re passing up a golden opportunity here. Why not say Obama is the son of Malcolm X and Al Sharpton. They raised him in a gay marriage, in Kenya, and were, at the time, rabid anti-colonialist?
In for a penny, in for a pound. Be bold in your crazy!
Where does the anti-colonialism angle come in? Are some of these birthers seriously pro-colonialism? Still carrying the “white man’s burden”? They’re that far behind the times?
Ms. Annie: It is simply a lie to say that President Obama is the son of Malcolm X. An outright lie. There are only a few reasons to say such a thing. One is to appeal to racists, and to remind everyone that the President is Black, but not one of those good Black people, like, say, Clarence Thomas, but one of those scary Black people. Another reason one might spread this lie is that you are mentally ill.
Which one is it with you? Or is it both?
Mario Apuzzo, Sharon Rondeau and Martha Trowbridge are spreading the same lies.
The same questions apply.
It’s like they are developmentally stunted children giggling uncontrollably at their naughty, racist smear campaign.
Bearing false witness and being hypocrites doesn’t bother hatred driven bigots without a conscience.
I am neither racist or mentally ill.
Your hyperbolic reaction and vicious accusations suggest that there is something deeply problematic with your seeing Mr. Obama’s truth. If I may similarly inquire, what is going on with you? Why does the prospect of Mr. Obama being Malcolm’s son stir in you such rage against the messenger?
Good day, Majority Will.
I don’t believe your story for a second. But let’s pretend it were true. How does falsifying one’s family history disqualify one from the ballot? It’s actually quite common among office holders and doesn’t disqualify them at all. Two examples:
Senator Marco Rubio claimed his family fled Castro and escaped to the US. Turns out they came in 1956, 3 years before Castro came to power.
Arizona Governor Jan Brewer claimed her father died fighting the Nazis. Turns out he was in the Army during World War II, but never left the US and died in 1955.
Both are still in office and Rubio is a contenderfor the VP nomination. So, is falsifying family history only disqualifying if you are black or a Democrat?
Mr. Obama’s truth, multiple views:
View 1
View 2
View 3
View 4
View 5
How many more do you need?
Unfortunately, those crazy enough to believe that the purple spotted invisible unicorns from Betelgeuse IV have taken over the world will also believe they are the only sane ones for believing the “truth”, and that all others are either crazy for not believing it, or are hiding something.
Saipan Annie believes her schlock because she must. To her it is the ‘truth” because it must be.
I think we’ve veered way off the path of the FOIA request subject matter of this article.
This thread is infected with a belligerent troll on an idiotic smear campaign.
Because it’s a lie, designed by bigot, to whet the prejudice of the ill-informed.
Another example, Mitt Romney’s father was born in Mexico because his forebears left the U.S. so they could continue to practice polygamy after it was made illegal in 1882 by the Edmunson Act.
I wasn’t talking to you but you certainly are self-obsessed.
Here’s a quote from you to an anonymous poster on birther bigot Apuzzo’s cesspool of a blog:
“It’s too late.
The whole world now knows about your scam.
Your credibility is zip.
No one has faith in liars.”
That sounds like some really nasty psychological projection bias.
Sir, please recall that the source of the identification of Mr. Obama’s paternity is the Hilary Clinton Campaign.
I want to know when she did and when she did not have a passport. If Stanley Ann Dunham didn’t have a passport in 1961, it would be more difficult to claim that she traveled to Kenya to deliver the President. The earliest known passport for her is 1965. The problem is that in order to conclude that she didn’t have a passport, one must have confidence in the completeness of the State Department’s passport issuance card records and of the integrity of their search.
Since the State Department currently contends that they don’t have a microfilm record of a passport issuance that we know exists (based on a renewal 3 years later) then one can only conclude that the record isn’t complete or the search is bogus.
I am attempting to clarify which of the two options is the case.
And it’s a FUD tactic, as in disinformation propaganda.
It’s one of Apuzzo, Taitz and Donofrio’s favorite tools.
And the birther bigots gobble it up greedily.
Madam,
The more fool you for believing the propaganda of a PUMA. Go shake your ears, you tiresome ass.
Of course, Obama’s grandfather practiced polygamy in Kenya. And Newt practices serial polygamy. Those who say the US is sexually repressed obviously don’t know what they are talking about!
It is not just family history, it is also the use of a false identity when taking an oath.
[perjury], signing election papers, applying for the bar, getting credit, getting a bank account, and so on.
Then if an alias were employed there would be multiple acts of campaign fraud, wire fraud, and so on – all of which are felony crimes, disqualifying a person from candidacy / election.
it is my understanding that when it comes to use of an alias, ‘ulterior’ motivation is
what incriminates a person – if one uses an alias to derive gain, escape prosecution or escape creditors. Lawyers in this group, please explain.
I do not understand. What is a PUMA, please?
“Yes, lawyers, please do explain my crazy for me. For I have no shame, and, yes, I expect others to do my work for me. ”
How very Orlyllian of you!
If you do not like my comments and do not wish to address me with respect, why do you not just pass them by?
I do my best to treat others here with respect when I disagree.
What’s the penalty for deliberately falsely accusing someone of a crime like fraud?
Is mental illness a defense?
Americans aren’t sexually repressed; we’re just teased by guilt over what we’ve been told to repress but won’t.
Ms. Annie. It’s a lie, plain and simple. Spreading it is racist. Now frankly I don’t care if President Obama is Malcolm X’s son. I did not vote for him and will almost certainly not vote for him this year. However, the fact that he is Black, that his Father was a Kenyan, etc. are irrelevant to my judgment as to his leadership. Folks like you are not only liars, but they discredit those of us who legitimately wish to elect a new President. We all get tarred with your racism and bigotry.
Capitalist Scientist: While I may have to swallow hard and vote for Mr. Gingrich, he does not practice serial polygamy. It’s more like parallel polygamy.
And Doc C: Think back to the ending of Raiders of the Lost Ark. I think you will find the missing microfilm next to the Ark of the Covenant. As best as I can tell, only Nicolas Cage or Harrison Ford can solve this one.
Look it up.
Ms. Annie: You do not treat us with respect when you disagree. You spread lies. Being polite and saying “sir” and “ma’am” do not change the content of your posts.
My FOIA is intended to add to the store of information on this Obama Conspiracy topic. Keep in mind that my original FOIA was filed in January of 2009, which was pretty early on in the discovery process. I hoped to be able to find an additional argument against Obama’s mother having traveled to Kenya (no passport). But to answer your question: yes, it is a simple desire to discover more data to bolster what any reasonable person is already convinced of. I haven’t had any doubts about Obama’s birthplace since he released his birth certificate in June of 2008. I really didn’t have doubts before that but rather just an open mind on the subject awaiting some evidence.
I wouldn’t describe the site as a “cathartic” work. I’ve written several articles over the years about why the site exists, however, it essentially boils down to the fact that it bugs the hell out of me for people to believe crazy stuff. If the birthers faded away, so would new articles on the site. Another reason I continue the site is that there are puzzles to solve and things to learn. So when Laurence Tribe was on the Stephen Colbert show this week, I already knew who he was (from the Tribe/Olson report on McCain’s eligibility). It’s really amazing how much the background study of Obama conspiracies bleeds over into normal life. Knowing US v Wong helps understand the arguments over immigration.
It doesn’t seem to me that the reason I’m a Christian relates much with why this web site exists. Certainly the followers of Jesus believe that “the truth will set you free” and that certainly relates to the primary function of this site, although I think it’s success at setting anyone free is at most minimal.
There are some Christians that think like (and are) Birthers and probably because of some of the same underlying neurophysiological characteristics. I don’t think those characteristics fit me.
You speak as if I am the only person who has detected fraud in Mr. Obama’s behavior. Sadly for him, those who question are in the tens of millions.
As for defense, it is possible that Mr. Obama is the one in need at this time.
Taking its Toll
(excerpt) Case in point: Mario Apuzzo. I think he’s finally lost it, as evidenced by the latest article on his web site: Is Barack Hussein Obama II Really Bâri′ M. Shabazz, Born October 28, 1959 in New York City? Apuzzo writes:
“What Ms. Trowbridge has presented to the world is surely shocking (an understatement). What she says surely needs to be investigated as soon as possible.”
One recalls that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, as testified by the Hawaii Department of Health, two birth certificates, and announcements from 1961 in the local newspapers and so any suggestion that he was born somewhere else is absurd on its face. The fact that Mr. Shabazz is dead (according to the Social Security Death Index) and the President is not should also give one pause about even repeating such a crazy story.
(source: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/11/taking-its-toll/)
Nice! I had thought about posting a link to the photo of the government warehouse at the end of Raiders. Classic scene.
P.S. If there is serial and parallel polygamy, is there also perpendicular polygamy? It’s very confusing. 😛
O most pernicious woman!
O villain, villain, smiling, damnèd villain!
My tables—meet it is I set it down
That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain—
Hamlet, Act 1, scene v
I will say no more on this matter, except once again I ask: if indeed a certified copy of Mr. Obama’s Birth Certificate was accessed by him in April 2011, why has it not been produced for the Atlanta court?
It is not because of brilliant legal strategy, as some have inferred.
If you doubt this, why do you not seek a conversation with Mr. Jablonski?
Drama?
I have identified the owner of the property in East Elmhurst, N.Y. where Bari Shabazz aka Barrington Smith lived. I’m going to try to speak with her and see if she remembers Shabazz.
This, of course, is something which any real investigator would do, but we all know that the birthers aren’t interested in the truth.
I happen to be a real private investigator, and I have found the clincher. Bari M. Shabazz had a New York driver’s license. His driver’s license was suspended in 1989 when he failed to respond to a traffic ticket. Note the description of him:
Bari M. Shabazz
Date of Birth: 10/28/59
Height: 5-9″
Barack Obama is 6-1″ tall. So unless Bari Shabazz miraculously gained four inches in height, he and Obama could not possibly be the same person.
Of course, Saipan Annie will now claim that New York DMV altered its records as part of the conspiracy.
I find it difficult to believe that you have that many voices in your head.
I also don’t think you have a clue when it comes to the meaning of the word respect.
Your posts so far show you to be nothing more than an obstinate, simple troll with a ridiculous, unsubstantiated, racially motivated hatchet job that is pathetic as well as despicable.
Innuendo and idiotic fiction from birther propaganda sites are not considered credible evidence to sane people.
And oh yeah . . . good day.
There. I fixed it for you.
Nah, Annie is more inventive than that. I bet she will claim the President is really only 5-9″ and wears elevator shoes.
Sipe, the reason Mr. Obama’s team didn’t produce more in Atlanta is that he didn’t have to. The burden of proof is on the anti-Obots to refute the overwhelming prima facie evidence that Mr. Obama is eligible to run for the offce he already holds, and there they have failed miserably, and repeatedly. If the anti-Obots, AKA birthers, somehow manage to get this into a real trial court, or even an appeals court, they’re not going to like the result. If, say, a federal appeals court were to rule that the evidence clearly favors Mr. Obama’s eligibility, and the Supreme Court were to refuse to review the lower court’s decision — a virtual certainty if the controversy reaches that point — birthers would be uttlerly left without a leg to stand on, or to even claim that they have a leg to stand on.
Trying to help you see the mote in your eye, dear.
You have all the respect you have shown yourself worthy of.
[best low, grave Yoda voice]
“But claim it they will, JD …. claim it they will.”
For the birther bigot, guilty until proven innocent is their delusional fantasy.
Barack Obama- and the State of Hawaii say that the parents of Barack Obama were Barack Obama Sr. and Stanley Anne Dunham(I may have gotten the name slightly wrong).
Saipan Anne says- without rational, context or evidence- claims that Barack Obama is really the son of Malcolm X and some other woman.
I will believe the side that has credibility- President Obama and the State of Hawaii.
Well, aren’t you logical and rational. No wonder you’re not a birther: your brain is all clear and stuff–geez! How about thinking outside that little box you call “reality” for a while?
You’d make a really lousy birther bigot. 😀
LMAO! Brillaint quip! 😉
I thought of that, but at the time of his last physical in October, Obama’s physician recorded his height as 73 inches. I doubt that he was measured while wearing his shoes!
http://www.nationaljournal.com/whitehouse/full-text-memo-from-doctor-on-obama-s-physical-exam-20111031
I’m still waiting for Saipan Annie to explain how the 5-9″ Bari Shabazz was transformed into the 6-1″ Barack Obama.
I don’t know and you don’t know. Given that we don’t know, it would be irresponsible to draw any conclusions from its non-production. It’s always possible that a certificate still might be submitted, but at this point I rather doubt it.
It doesn’t matter if the facts disprove it! It’s true anyways! 😉
Maybe our false-witness bearing birther Saigon Annie would care to explain why Obama looks so much like his grandfather (Stanley’s mother)? Obama looks more like him than Malcolm X.
“BARACK OBAMA ON HAWAII BEACH WITH GRANDFATHER”
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37751310@N08/3468924055/
Of course, to Saigon Annie and other bigots, maybe those darkies all look alike?
This statement goes to show your utter ignorance of my life. How do you know what my race is? You do not. Yet you find it gratifying to your need to attack anyone who opposes your positions on Mr. Obama.
To you who call me racist, why is it impossible for you to acknowledge that a person who is black can behave indecently by lying and defrauding?
Take a look at how ridiculous that assumption is. Also how misrepresentative of life. You claim I am not ‘in reality’. Look who is talking.
Saipan, I agree that jumping to conclusions with no evidence is in poor taste.
But to be fair- he has as much evidence for his statement as you have presented for any of yours. To be shocked that someone calls you a racist without presenting any evidence to demonstrate why you are a racist while you yourself are making outlandish and unsupported claims about the President just shows your lack of perspective on the issue.
Show us some evidence for your claims Annie.
The bigotry may not be strictly for race. It could also be Islamophobia. Many birther bigots try to smear the President with an association with Malcolm X because he was Muslim and because he was accused of preaching racism, black supremacy, antisemitism, and violence.
These cranks desperately want to spread the unsubstantiated fear that the President is not Christian but actually a dark and scary Muslim radical tied to African Americans like Malcolm X or Louis Farrakhan.
The “We Want Our Country Back” bigots are motivated by racial and religious fears.
Or you can look into a mirror at the poster who just bizarrely exclaimed:
“I will say no more on this matter, except once again I ask . . .”
Make up your mind.
Of course there are some who fall into the category you describe.
But it is unfair to say that ALL who sense fraud in Mr. Obama do so because of his race or because they feel a Muslim connection would be damaging.
Posters ask me questions subsequently, to which I respond. Is it that they taunt me to respond, only to jump at me?
I am sure that Dr. C. would not approve of such behavior.
Promises, promises.
I’d call you a liar, but I never believed you’d remain silent. Besides, I wouldn’t want you to. Because I . . . I love you, Saipan Annie!
I want everyone to just get along.
I didn’t say ALL. I said many.
I also believe in Occam’s Razor and common sense when anonymous people post outrageous allegations without a shred of credible evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
And when asked to provide credible evidence, you the accuser have proven repeatedly to have nothing but innuendo and baseless accusations.
You have to earn respect and credibility.
So far, you don’t seem to be able to comprehend this basic concept.
Do you have a certified birth certificate with parents’ names?
No? Well, the President has one certified by the state of Hawaii that so far says you’re full of crap.
Prove them, him and me wrong with something official and not the word of Mario Apuzzo, Martha Trowbridge or Sharon Rondeau.
Is that too difficult?
I’m glad the spam and spewing is posted. Will assist future researchers assess the character of the parties involved and the quality of arguments being made. 😉
I concur and agree with everything you said here, MW! Good points.
Thanks, G.
And the following quote has been attributed to Lincoln, Twain and others but it certainly still holds true that it is “better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt”.
Having honest questions is one thing and certainly expected but to repeatedly make steadfast assertions with absolutely no credible evidence is nothing but asinine.
And when anyone ominously declares, “You will soon see”, I think, “Sweet. Come back when that glorious day arrives and crow all you like. Dance on the ceiling. Scream , laugh and yell ‘I told you so’ until you’re blue”. I will gladly apologize in a heartfelt manner if I was wrong.
Again, kudos on all 3 important points. I agree 100%!
My purpose here has never been to crow or laugh or yell. I do not look for or want apologies, ever.
I have only come to help Mr. Obama though of course you will all scoff at this.
But what about love? You wouldn’t scoff at a declaration of love? Would you?
Unapologetically, Yours
You have incredibly and spectacularly missed the point entirely.
However, by now I’m truly not at all surprised.
The President doesn’t need what you think is help. You should stop.
What you’re doing is repugnant and obscene.
By the way, are you a U.S. citizen?
I respond with a little humor.
Let me ask Mr. Apuzzo.
My long-time husband would be unhappy to think that another man professed love for me. It is not a good idea to accept a profession of love if you know what I mean.
You have to confirm your citizenship status with Mario Apuzzo?
Do you think you’ll get a simple answer or six or seven pages of long winded double talk that makes no sense?
No.
Could it be that you may need a lesson on the birds and the bees?
*rolls eyes*
Most unbelievable Concern Troll ever…
You believe that you are helping Obama by spreading scurrilous and baseless accusations that he is the son of Malcolm X and Jo Ann Newman? How exactly does that help him?
While you are at it, please explain the four-inch height difference between Bari Shabazz and Barack Obama.
If you’re teaching, the answer is yes.
Use me but as your spaniel, spurn me, strike me,
Neglect me, lose me; only give me leave,
Unworthy as I am, to follow you.
MSND Act 2, scene 1
Mr. Obama has become in a prison with what he has told America about his family. He is suffering. I am trying to ask people to understand his trouble.
As for the height problem I believe you are as they say ‘making this up’ – may be to make a joke. My family in New York told me that the auto license registration department does not provide people with information such as you have presented.
That makes absolutely no sense.
Yes, he really looks unhappy, doesn;t he?
http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/2012/01/obama_smiling_in_ann_arbor-thumb-590×392-101600.jpg
And his approval rating is at 49-49 in the latest Rasmussen (a pollster that at least 3-4 points biased in favor of Republicans). Incumbent Presidents with numbers like that and an improving economy get re-elected.
The President doesn’t need what you think is help. You should stop.
What you’re doing is repugnant and obscene.
Is English your native language?
Do you need help understanding, “What you’re doing is repugnant and obscene”?
“I believe you are as they say making this up’”
Those poor irony meters didn’t stand a chance.
Saigon Annie, did you look at the photo I linked to? Does Obama look more like his grandfather than Malcolm X? Yes or no?
If yes, what does that say about your theory?
You are such a hypocrite. You take umbrage at other people calling you out for your lies and then you accuse me of making stuff up.
Your “people in New York” don’t know what they are talking about. First of all, there is no such thing as the “auto license registration department.” It is the New York State Department of Motor Vehicles.
An individual’s driving record includes the following identifying information: the person’s name, address, date of birth, height, and eye color. It looks like this:
*RECORD EXPANSION FOR: DOE,JOHN
CLIENT ID#: 999999999
DOE,JOHN DOB: 01/01/1981 SEX: M
15 MAIN ST HEIGHT: 5-5 EYE COLOR: BROWN
ANYTOWN, NY 00000 COUNTY: BRONX
MI #: D000000-000000-000000-81
LICENSE CLASS: *5* STATUS:SUSPENDED EXPIRATION: 10/28/1991
SUSP/REV SUMMARY: TOTAL 1 (SCOFFS 1 ON 1 DATES) JUDGEMENT $ 0
******************** SUSPENSIONS/REVOCATIONS ******************
SUSPENSION: 01/03/1989 FLD ANSWER SUMMONS ORDER #: J360876
LOCATION: QUEENS COUNTY, QUEENS NORTH ADM. ADJ.
*** END OF RECORD ***
As a private investigator, I have a direct online account with DMV. I could legally access the record of Bari Shabazz because he is deceased and therefore is not subject to privacy protection.
Feel free to apologize to me at your leisure.
Thank you Rickey for this valueable information. However, I do not see Bari in it. Way way back when, he was not at all 5-5. This is true because my family member had goo-goo eyes for Bari for a long time and she is taller. Never would she take a shine to a man who was inches shorter.
Are you deliberately dense? What I posted is a SAMPLE of what a New York driving record looks like.
Bari Shabazz’s DMV record shows that he was 5-9″.
Either that or trolling for Apuzzo. Or both.
I did not see this. If you post Bari’s record I will love to see it.
Clip me, Bleat me, Make me feel sheep
Say no more, Darling–I know exactly what you mean!
Saigon Annie is apparently too afraid to look at the picture of Obama and his grandfather. It would destroy her racist Malcolm X fantasy…
The example that I posted says that it is the record of John Doe. You didn’t notice that?
I already told you what Bari’s record shows. His date of birth was 10/28/59 (I erroneously typed it was 12/28/59 in another note, but it was 10/28/59). He was 5-9″ tall, had brown eyes, and his residence address is listed as 32-26 98th Street, East Elmhurst, NY 11369-1827.
Driving records don’t include weight or hair color because they often change. However, an adult’s height almost never changes, and if it does it would never be an increase of four inches.
Rickey, I do not understand. Why do you post Mr. Sample and Mr. Doe but not Mr. Bari? I thought we are talking about Mr. Bari.
The sample is public information. The driving record of Bari Shabazz is not. It contains data such as his motorist ID and client ID, which could be used by others for identity theft purposes. I am not going to post such information in an open forum.
As you know, his name, date of birth, date of death and Social Security Number were posted on birther sites several months ago, so I have no compunction about posting that information here. The only relevant new information from his driving record is that his height was 5-9″, whereas President Obama’s height is 6-1″.
You made an error recording birth information!!?? Wow, it’s a good thing no one like you worked for the Social Security Administration, or we might have ended up with a president from Hawaii who was given a Social Security Number indicating a Conneticut residence!
Ha!
Connecticut. 😀
And I was going to look it up, but I got lazy–good call.
Misteaks happen.
And sometimes a computer is not going to catch a spell Czech mistake either.