It looks like Orly has a new BFF in the Monroe County Tennessee Jail frequent flier, Walter Fitzpatrick III [link to Taitz site]. Walter sent her a gushing endorsement. I wonder if her opponents in the Republican Senate race in California can turn it against her? Probably not without some money.
Orly is tentatively on the calendar for the Supreme Court of Georgia in the Farrar case. Oral arguments will come in June, assuming it gets that far. Check back on that link for the actual date. Jablonski is the empty chair for the defense.
“Great news! While Arpaio and Zullo are still stonewalling, an important new witness with personal knowledge ageed (sic)to testify in MS. I will need to pay for his expenses of hotel and airfare and will appreciate donations es of tra.” Someone speculated that the witness is Tim Adams, but I sincerely doubt that Orly will get to call any witnesses at the upcoming hearing, April 16. I doubt that it’s Tim Adams because a) he doesn’t have any personal knowledge, b) I think he’s too smart to perjure himself and c) he wants to put this behind him. My guess is Mark Gillar who produced the Cold Case Posse videos.
Orly comments about Mike Zullo’s refusal to show up in Mississippi:
There is no legitimate reason for Arpaio or Zullo not to appear in court and state: yes, I confirm under the penalty of perjury what I said in press conferences. I can’t believe there are still people who are so brain dead as to not understand something that simple.
Orly (who has never gotten that far in court) may not be aware of the fact that the defense gets to examine the witnesses under oath too. Zullo would never submit to that willfully.
Tactically, it might be better for her to have a document expert since she is pushing that line.
If I recall correctly, Orly still hasn’t properly completed her pro hac vice application, although she seems to believe that a letter sent to her by GA officials explaining this means she has been granted PHV.
It would be a self defeating tactic for Orly (I know…redundant phrasing when talking about MOO)
The problem is no ACTUAL recognizable expert would or could support her guano insanity.
The Corsi-Arpaio-Zullo Klown Karnival has already stated that they asked real document forensics experts to help ’em out to be resoundingly blown off.
( I was going to make a funny about the CAZ(s)imir effect creating a wormhole to Alice in Wonderland but it started to get tortuous, just like Birfoon thinking….)
Also, lets not forget, MOO is
A. Cheaper than a cheap thing with extra cheap sauce on top
B. NEVER going to be able to allow an actual expert says “stuff” …remember Georgia
You believe that? Perhaps that’s the “spun version.”
What personal knowledge does Gillar have? Beyond having conducted online interviews and narrated some videos? She didn’t say personal knowledge of what (personal knowledge re a birther meme or re the non-profit posse’s “investigative habits”?) …. but Gillar seems an odd guess. He is expert in …. what? Witness to … what?
Doc, I think you’re right, Gillar is a perfect Orlyllian witness!
@JPotter, don’t forget that Orly called herself as a witness in GA, where her personal knowledge consisted of her lying about downloading something from the internet. The OrlyLaw standard for qualifying experts is pretty low.
RuhRoh is right …. Orly’s secret new witness is …. Orly!
Pretty brilliant fundraising strategy 😀
Well, just for fun, I will speculate that Orly’s secret new witness is herself. Just imagine what a defense cross examination for that would be like.
You are correct. Orly states “her” case is listed on the GA Supreme Court docket. While it’s true that Farrar v Obama is listed, there is no attorney listed. She, therefore, has not yet been admitted pro hac vice.
I have just discovered that Arpaio has had President Obama on double secret probation for the past year! Look for fireworks when the news comes out.
The secret witness will be Orly with a fake glasses, eyebrows, nose, and mustache disguise.
I suspect that Orly has been watching too many re-runs of Perry Mason. I’m not familiar with the Rules of Civil Procedure in Mississippi, but I would expect that there is a witness disclosure requirement – assuming, of course, that witnesses will even be permitted at the hearing.
Visions of Ally McBeal dance in her head…
Well, examining herself went so well in GA, why not do it here? 😛
Was Ally McBeal ever burned at the stake? 😀
What exactly does Orly’s secret witness have personal knowledge of……Obama’s birth in Kenya? I don’t understand, but since this is Orly, I won’t worry too much about it – me not understanding, I mean.
bovril: The Corsi-Arpaio-Zullo Klown Karnival has already stated that they asked real document forensics experts to help em out to be resoundingly blown off.
Doc said: “You believe that? Perhaps that’s the “spun version.”
I believe it only because it’s what a real document forensics would say. A fake one would say, “I can help you out with confirming that pdf you have there is real or fake.” A REAL expert would say, “nope, can’t help – need the source document itself.”
Now it is interesting that Zullo told that they were “blown off” (bovril’s words). Usually birthers make stuff up and/or outright lie hoping nobody checks up on them, which, of course, others birthers wont.
So yes, I believe it but am shocked that Arpaio, et al. would actually tell that they were blown off by REAL document forensics experts who, by the way, were probably not about to put their reps on the line for these bozos.
If this is a “trial” she will have to file a pre-trial order and list all of her witnesses and evidence. But first, she has to be admitted. However, since this isn’t a trial it is only a hearing to determine the the discretionary application and motion to stay the previous order – she will not be allowed to have witnesses. In fact, until her pro hac vice application is approved she won’t be able to do anything.
The Discretionary application to appeal an order entered in superior or state court. The Supreme Court must decide either to grant, deny or otherwise dispose of these applications within 30 days of docketing.
I suspect they will deny or “otherwise dispose of” the application.
Perhaps the surprise witness will be that Barack Obama impersonator that John Stossel occasionally employs for his “debates.”
That’s precisely what Zullo stated at minute 44:00 of the Arizona church meeting….
They is no upside and only downside by saying that so I tend to believe they may well have asked SOMEONE to be told….”Nope, not happening”
The point is, in the real world that would have been the end of the “investigation”, not the beginning of the BS.
Well, it may be the spun version but any document forensic expert would never rely on highly compressed copies to draw conclusions which, as I and others have shown, are much better explained by fully ‘natural’ processes of Mixed Raster Content compression and optimization.
For instance, the appearance of both bitmapped, mono-chrome letters mixed with JPEG, 8 bit, graphical representations of letters, is an expected outcome of the capturing process and the PDF conversion.
As to the LFBC, I cannot think of any ‘observation’ by the Cold Case Posse ‘experts’ which cannot be explained, better, by common sense and an understanding of the capture workflow. And since we lack sufficient data about the components of the workflow, it is impossible to claim ‘forgery’ in a reliable and informed manner.
As to the Selective Services Document, from the workflow, we know that the document was received and filed around the same time as other documents that were submitted, so again, there is no foundation for forgery and the ‘missing digits’, however interesting, do not amount to any evidence of forgery.
And birthers still wonder why the Posse refuses to subject itself to testimony under oath, or the filing of actual criminal charges…
Or why the Posse appears to be far more interested in media and public relations rather than the pursuit of a real investigation using forensic experts rather than people who appear to have a strong dislike of our President.
The precise words Zullo used are….
“What we did find out in the very beginning of this…venture..was to get forensic document examiners to really “help us” they were prohibited from doing so because they would not render an opinion without first seeing the original document and using it as a basis of comparison. And Tom Ballantyne knows that all too well.”
This is WHY he says that….
“There is NO original document…and even if there is one THEY’RE not giving it to us…and if you don’t think the White House and the Adminstration…and the Powers That Be know that and know that very well.
So we were FORCED to conduct this in a rather unorthodox venture…and we did..and I believe something else that has grown out of this investigation…”
He then descends into whining about how the MCSO, the CCCP and the Shurrif got lots of nastygrams etc….
“But ther’s something unique thats happened here, this is probably one of those very rare occurences where law enforcement and the citizenry can work in concert with each other . The information we are getting is coming from citizens it wasn’t all developed by the Cold Case Posse”
Yay, the CCCP admits their crap came from rabid Birthers
The “original” document is the certified copy that was scanned, correct? Then there is one and that’s all that is needed. Unless I’m missing something here.
Naaaaaah, In Birferstan that minor issue plus the 2008 BC are simple figments of the fevered LIEberal mind…there’s no ORIGINAL only a fake PDF a 10 year old can see is a fake……
I love how Zullo says – no real document expert would assist because they had to have the original, (which would be the certified copy), but their spin is that there isn’t an original. Just like when the certified copy was presented at the news conference, seen and photographed, don’t you think that a real expert would be allowed by the WH to see it? I mean, the campaign headquarters had the short form during the 2008 campaign. How hard would it be to request that an expert inspect it in camera?
Well, there are some ‘experts’ who believe such a document never existed, even though Savannah Guthrie took a picture of it.
‘es of tra’
is that Moldovan for etcetera?????
OK let me see if I can get all this twisted stuff straight here. Not being a lawyer I just want to make sure I understand what is happening. I have been following the whole birther nonsense for a while now, so I understand all their history. But this has to do with the MS case involving Judge Mahili and the empty chair victory.
Birthers were over the moon because they finally got a judge to hear their complaints on the merits and when he did, he ruled against them. Basically Judge Mahili told Orly her “experts” weren’t experts and he ignored everything they had to say.
Then he ruled on the legality of the president’s birth certificate and said since the HI Dept of Health said it was genuine, he was obliged to accept it was. Based on that fact he ruled the president was qualified to hold office because he was a natural born citizen and he cited the 2009 Indiana case Arkeny, not to mention the 1898 Wong case that actually defined “natural born citizen” as where one was born, not where one’s parents were born.
So, having lost to an empty chair, Orly proceeds to appeal to the MS supreme court. Now, she doesn’t have a license to practice in MS and hasn’t been granted permission, as I understand it. But if given permission and the supreme court decides to hear this farce, the MS democratic party wants to put her on the stand and question her about her continual abuse of the legal system of this country by the filing of frivolous lawsuits and losing every one of them?
Is this correct? If so, there are a couple of points to be made.
First off, I would think the US court system would be getting tired of this. After all, they are under staffed and over worked. If it was any other state beside a deep south one, I’ll bet they would hear it just to give Tapper a chance to nail her to the wall and ask the court to sanction her if she so much as shows her face in court again.
But this being MS, I bet they deny the appeal. If they do, then what course is left open?Appealing to the US Supreme court? Has been tried 3 times already without success.
IIRC it was actually stranger in that Judge Malihi didn’t HIMSELF accept the image of the LFBC as being good to go he asked the 3 Birther lawyers if they accepted it as good to go, when they said yes then it was accepted.
I thought he didn’t accept their testimony. The whole first part of his ruling stated they were not experts and he ignored everything they said
All right, I have an “es of tra” theory. Suppose Orly had originally typed “expenses of travel” or some such, or had at least got as far as “expenses of tra…”; and changed it to “expenses of hotel and airfare”, but incompletely deleted the original?
What happened was Orly has her big old video of ‘zibbits and when she stopped at the image of the LFBC the judge asked the 3 lawyers if they accepted the image was of the state issued BC and accepted it, they all said yes….I don’t think Orly actually understood what was being asked.
What the judge did say was that the ‘zibbits were “noticed” but not part of the record.
That is correct.
Clestes, just a few corrections:
Orly was representing a few clients in GA before ALJ Malihi. Malihi then made a finding that was used by the Secretary of State in his ruling. Orly did attempt to appeal that in GA in Superior Court but was not granted PHV and the appeal was denied. She is now trying to get that matter before the GA Supreme Court.
In the MS action, Orly is pro se. She is not admitted to practice in MS nor has she applied, but she is getting around that hurdle by acting as a pro se plaintiff.
RuhRoh, thanks. That’s right. Judge Malihi was from GA and the GA Secretary of State said President Obama stayed on the ballot. But then, wasn’t he being sued by some GA state rep over this?
What is the status for that?
RuhRoh, so the MS democratic party wants to put Orly on the stand right? I know she is a fool, but really that would be totally suicidal.
i just looked up “pro se plaintiff” and am reminded of the saying “a lawyer who represents themselves has a fool for a client”.
Yes. That GA state rep was part of the same group that appeared in Malihi’s court on the same day as Orly’s case. All of those other cases were consolidated in the appeals by the courts. Their initial appeals were denied. I’m not sure if they still have any active further appeals at the state level, or if they have all been denied or become moot. I suspect the latter, as the GA results have already been certified. They were always threatening to take their appeals up to the USSC, but that is a failed strategy too.
But we know that Orly is *THAT* big of a fool. Just look at her actions in that GA case, where Judge Malihi was only sarcastically referencing Orly’s improper debate style, in order to chastise her for leading questions…
…What did Orly do as a result? She took that admonishment as a “go ahead” to put herself on the stand and testify as a witness and just went ahead and did just that before anyone could stop her…
It truly was the most mind boggling and bizarre part of the entire crazy hearing that day.
So yeah, I have little doubt that Orly is THAT big of a fool… When faced with an opportunity to “testify” and spout off endlessly, she seems to be unable to resist… like a moth attracted to the flame.
It appears that whatever Birther appeals are still continuing are still currently at the GA state Supreme Court level:
Well if Orly gets put on the stand and Tapper has his way with her, that could well spell the beginning of the end of the Bifer movement.
Once the president is re-elected and if Orly get sanctioned again, this could all just go away. i know there is a lot of talk about taking to the streets, but that is just talk.
Case after case has been lost, sanctions have been awarded in more than one case and if the election punts enough republicans out of office, it could be a different scene next year.
Right. A real forensic document examiner would have explained to them that they examine actual, original documents, not images of them posted on the internet. Big difference.
The case will be officially moot (or as the birthers like to say, mute) after tonight as Obama will clinch the Democratic nomination.
Even from their “spun” version, that seems to be the answer that they were told.
So, the big takeaway is still how they chose to openly INGORE any advice they receive, and wilfully proceed down a sham path and knowingly waste their time on irrelevant matters…
It reveals their biased intent and disingenuous goals from the start.
Yet another reason why filing ballot challenges for primaries was such as waste of time and money. Even if the birthers had somehow managed to win one or two primary ballot challenges, Obama would still be the Democratic nominee and ballot challenges would have to be filed anew for the general election.
I suspect that the Obama campaign would be happy to see the birthers spending money on ballot challenges in the fall instead of donating to the Republican candidate.
In a bizarre way, some birthers are returning the money from their Social Security checks back to some of the taxpayers.
It’s a birther bigot bailout.
Any guesses why Orly wants to call FOX anchor Heather Childers to testify in MS?
What the heck is she supposed to testify about? Is this just more of Orly’s “everything but the kitchen sink” approach?
She tweeted something re the latest PUMA craze, that Obama was terrorizing the Clinton campaign, killing people …. whatever it is. Doesn’t seem like that story has firmed up yet(?).
Yes, the classic Orly post: “DOES ANYONE KNOW …… I NEED HELP ….”
The most self-centered person on the planet.
I know about the tweet, but what exactly is Ms. Childers supposed to testify about? The tweet linked to a story by some other “reporter”, not a story researched and reported by Childers.
Does Orly now want to call anyone who tweets about any anti-Obama stuff to testify?
Anyone with notoriety do doubt. She’s desperate for legitimacy. And stupid … she always want sto “order” people to appear at her hearing, no matter where located, to testify, without first debriefing the person to see what they would/could testify to/about?
don’t know whether you saw this, doc
and especially these comments: “Obama may not be the Democratic Candidate in 2012.”
“The noose is tightening for Obama,” he said.
Author Revives ‘Birther’ Theory in Morristown
Controversial political commentator Jerome Corsi speaks to capacity crowd
My favorite comment for that article:
6:08 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Adobe Illustrator and the layers it creates did not exist when President Obama was born. It’s like claiming to have the original x-rays from Lincoln’s assassination.
traitorjack’s asinine drivel must be contagious.
If Corsi really believed that and were smart (both debatable) he would go on InTrade and short “Obama to be Democratic nominee” at 97.5%. He would make 40x his investment in a few months.
Scientist: BEST giggle of the day – grazie mille
the ditz is still complaining:
I still did not get a response from Sheriff Arpaio or investigator Zullo about my notice for them to testify. Joe Farah and David Kupelian from WND are still sending the public a barrage of e-mails asking for money for Arpaio and WND defense fund, even though they are not prosecuting any cases and they are not facing any threats or demands for sanctions from corrupt attorneys for the Dem Party or corrupt AGs. Jerome Corsi and Mike Zullo are still making money selling their book, but they still did not submit their report to the District Attorney for prosecution and they still did not sign a consent to appear in court and testify. So far it has been only about making money, but not appearing in court before the judge and making a real difference. (keep in mind it is illegal for law enforcement officers and deputized members of the posse like Zullo to profiteer from their criminal investigation and obstruct justice by not submitting the results of the investigation to the District Attorney for prosecution of crimes)
Yes, how dare they steal all the profits from “her” crazy? She does all the work, and they get paid. Ain’t that always the way?
I didn’t know Jeanne d’Arc was guilty of envy. I’d say our current incarnation is past due for the stake. Metaphorically, of course.
Outside of a dog, a book is man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read.- Groucho Marx
But they believe one such win would give the issue the much-needed publicity. At least as in “hmm, maybe there *is* something to it”. Don’t forget the main purpose was always a simple smear campaign that will drive independents and swing-voters away from Obama.
It might make her feel better to know that it doesn’t look like Zullo and Corsi are making much off of their “book.” It us currently ranked 34,703 in Kindle sales and has gotten only 30 reviews from customers.
A bit late (I was in Milan without internet), but I think it is Ladino. From Spanish “eso o otra”.
All right, I have an “es of tra” theory.Suppose Orly had originally typed “expenses of travel” or some such, or had at least got as far as “expenses of tra…”; and changed it to “expenses of hotel and airfare”, but incompletely deleted the original?
Had not read this, but I agree it is plausible. Perhaps that is why it got there and her spelling checker is not language-specific (enough).
Or all these languages, Sladino, Gerumane and Syldavian could be foraging in her brain, so that she simply reads over this.
However, since she once wrote that the Preident could be arrestedor, I will go for the spelling checker with the polluted data file.
the birthers are not going to win any ballot challenges. First off, the democratic party determines who appears on the ballot. Not a judge, not a republican law maker. That ends that.
The one and only case that appeared in front of a judge was decided in favor of an empty chair. Judges do not like looking like fools.
There is the massive problem of standing and then there is the problem of the legit birth certificate. Just looking at the briefs has resulted in over 100 dismissals. There is a reason why.
The case in MS won’t even get into a court room. It will be dismissed, out of hand. Too bad, though cause i would really like to hear the democratic party lawyer tear Orly to pieces.
As far as getting Childers to testify, to what? Does she have any first hand knowledge about anything? If you are going to tell me she knows for a fact that the president had Chelsea on a kill list, Uh, no way. She has already been called on the carpet by Fox for saying something so stupid and she is expected to repeat it under oath?
Don’t think so
You’re correct, of course. My point is that even if they did manage to win at the state level, it still would get them nowhere.