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  1. avatar
    bogus info January 2, 2009 at 7:52 am #

    This isn’t news but rather a “bit of trivia” that I found researching the Constitution.

    A literacy test of voters is allowed by the Constitution but one person cannot be singled out, has to be all voters. Which would make it too costly. Bit of triva I ran across.

    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=360&invol=45

    http://www.atg.wa.gov/opinion.aspx?section=archive&id=8938

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    bogus info January 2, 2009 at 12:37 pm #

    Here is a new claim from over at Doc Orly’s blog:

    http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/fs-1-foreign-student-visa-and-barack.html
    Friday, January 2, 2009
    FS-1 – foreign student visa and Barack Obama??
    From this forum:

    So, is the same “retired INS Agent” that found the so called Selective Service Forgery?

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    bogus info January 2, 2009 at 12:44 pm #

    Actually, when I stop to really think about it, seems like this is just “old accusations”, recycled?

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 2, 2009 at 7:09 pm #

    You know when you see the “??” in the title that they have no evidence.

    At least Orly’s got a new photo of herself. That old one was…nevermind.

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    bogus info January 2, 2009 at 7:20 pm #

    Dr. C,

    Now be nice. LOL

    Some of these articles on Doc Orly’s blog have made some pretty serious allegations about people and Institutions–some which have been proven false. I guess anybody can just say anything they please these days with no accountability whatsoever.

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 2, 2009 at 8:02 pm #

    That’s about it. Since New York Times Co v. Sullivan, public figures have very little protection against slander. I might add that “public figure” is a pretty broad category.

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    laughinghysterically January 2, 2009 at 9:41 pm #

    Actually, when someone raises money and promises some manner of result, especially when the person is a member of the bar filing frivilous suits and asking the public to fund the unethical behavior, I would think there ARE issues of fraud/etc that may come up and possible present actionable claims.

    Falsely claiming someone has been disbarred could present defamation per se, and is likely even more serious when the accuser is a member of the bar. Although it is clearly unlikely that Michelle Obama would ever pursue an action on the issue.

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    bogus info January 2, 2009 at 9:55 pm #

    Somehow, I just don’t think this was the “intent of freedom of speech”. My parents always taught me that “my rights end where another’s begins”.

    My wish is that Doc Orly, et al someday gets tenfold of what they have dished out. What goes around, comes around.

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 3, 2009 at 12:24 am #

    Michelle Obama is a public figure. She has few rights against defamation. It doesn’t matter that the accusation is false, unless she could prove that the person who said it knew it was false, or that they had a reckless disregard for the truth (how do you prove what’s in someone’s head), then she cannot recover damages.

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    bogus info January 3, 2009 at 12:30 am #

    Berg actually said that he expected Obama to sue him for defamation of character. Talk about a expensive and almost impossible lawsuit to win. And Berg knows it. Can’t even believe he made that remark.

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 3, 2009 at 12:35 am #

    It’s a great ploy. “What I’m saying must be the truth because otherwise the other guy would be suing me — unless he has something to hide.” That’s bogus, of course. Berg isn’t a very good lawyer, but he’s good enough to know the basic law about defamation, and that even if everything Berg said could be proven false, Obama hasno protection because he is a public figure.

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    laughinghysterically January 3, 2009 at 12:39 am #

    Obama may not be able to sue, but at some point I expect one of these Judges to lose their sh#t on Berg just like Joyner did in 2005. I am praying for that day to arrive soon! I think the newest “interpleader action” might just do it, that suit is a legal atrocity worthy of some severe sanctions, IMHO.

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    laughinghysterically January 3, 2009 at 12:44 am #

    I also have to wonder if the “followers” in this movement might turn on the “leaders” when Obama is inaugurated and want their money back.

    That would be interesting.

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    bogus info January 3, 2009 at 12:47 am #

    I’d pay for a front row seat to see that one. LOL

  15. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 3, 2009 at 12:48 am #

    Frank Marshall, who visited here, wrote: “Honorable people do not like to be duped. Duplicity may convert strong supporters into strong critics. “

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    bogus info January 3, 2009 at 12:51 am #

    Well, thanks for the help in all this. I think I’m going to hit the hay! Good night.

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    laughinghysterically January 3, 2009 at 5:12 am #

    New blog (work in progress):

    NObama Anonymous!

    A place for those who have seen the light!

    Recovery has to start somewhere!

    http://nobamaanon.wordpress.com/

    Dr Conspiracy, we’d love if you could link to us! Those needing recovery after reading all of your info can come on by.

  18. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 3, 2009 at 9:40 am #

    Link added, right sidebar, under Debunking sites. Good luck with the new site!

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    bogus info January 3, 2009 at 10:19 am #

    You guys need to go take a look at the Doc Orly blog. I don’t know what you think but I sure think they are over stepping their boundaries. Now they are going after Grandma Dunham where she worked, and a whole lot more. These people are out of control in my opinion.

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 3, 2009 at 11:56 am #

    One of the problems with a web site that censors comments is that they get no reality check. Positive-only feedback only reinforces misinformation and rewards irresponsible speculation. In some ways it is a cult mentality that can easily spiral out of control.

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    bogus info January 3, 2009 at 12:08 pm #

    Did you go take a look? It’s like they–especially Doc Orly is going in all directions. investigating this, then investigating that. What has Obama’s grandmother’s (Dunham) job got to do with anything? Then one article stated “Father confirmed”, or something to that effect. I didn’t realize there had ever been any question as to who Obama’s Father was–amazing isn’t it?–it is exactly as Obama has stated. Like all of you said last night, it’s probably going to be wild and wacky until Jan. 20th.

    By the way, does anybody know if Fitzgerald has requested assistance from the public? Robert, the 2nd in command said that they had been asked by Fitzgerald to assist in the investigation–not his exact words but his implication. Factual? To me, what they are doing would hinder an investigation, not help it. (Which is what my comment was and thus his response to me.)

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    laughinghysterically January 3, 2009 at 4:37 pm #

    Thanks so much!!
    I figured we all must do our part to end this lunacy!

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    laughinghysterically January 3, 2009 at 4:42 pm #

    As I mentioned in another post, I suspect they will really amp up the crazy in the coming 17 days.

    They are desperate and greedy and running out of time.

    Not to mention, I think a good number of Obama supporters and just plain thinking people are now putting the pressure on them all daily. Even if the sites delete our comments…their movement is now in serious jeopardy of ending.

    Expect them to go places they have never ventured before. I suspect the “Obama faked grandma’s death” rumor will return as well. The Berg mothership bloggers are quite fond of that disgusting tidbit of garbage.

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    laughinghysterically January 3, 2009 at 4:45 pm #

    Dr Conspiracy wrote:
    “In some ways it is a cult mentality that can easily spiral out of control.”

    It is a cult mentality IN EVERY WAY. One might simply say it is a “NObama Cult”/ “Obama hate group” with various factions at this point.

  25. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 3, 2009 at 7:20 pm #

    A couple of constitutional scholars might help. I doubt anything I’m doing here will make any difference.

  26. avatar
    noquitter January 4, 2009 at 12:28 pm #

    arack Obama The Naked Empero”
    Written by http://www.daily.pk
    Sunday, 04 January 2009 02:12
    Rezko and Obama toured the $1.6 million mansion in Hyde Park, Chicago, which the Obamas bought at $300,000 below the asking price in 2005 while the Rezkos purchased the adjoining land at the full asking price. Some of this land was later bought by the Obamas. Rezko contributed a quarter of a million dollars to Obama’s political career and served on Obama’s Senate campaign finance committee, which raised more than $14 million…
    Speaking of Rezko, Dr. Orly has requested that everyone write to President Bush and urge him to make Patrick
    Fitzgerald a special prosecutor. This is to allow Mr. Fitzgerald time to follow all the leads coming out of Chicago and its band of corrupt politicians. If Obama becomes President, any allegations that point to Obama will most likely be buried forever.

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    bogus info January 4, 2009 at 12:53 pm #

    Sunday, January 4, 2009
    Can you help me get this doc?
    As you recall there was never a funeral and there is no burial place for either Stanley Ann Dunham or Madelyn Dunham. BO and his sister Maya simply spread the ashes over the ocean.
    A reader has e-mailed me that one cannot just spread human ashes standing on the beach. Human ashes can only be spread from a plane and from a certain distance from the beach. Can anybody get a document to that extend? Does anyone know if AFA ever allowed the state of Hi to violate this rule.
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 7:33 AM

  28. avatar
    bogus info January 4, 2009 at 12:55 pm #

    This woman is a lawyer, right? Doesn’t she know how to research something? Why does she always “Need Help?”

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    bogus info January 4, 2009 at 1:23 pm #

    On the “CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH”
    in the
    lower right hand corner
    see
    [HRS 338-13(B), 338-19]

    Those are the Hawaii Revised Statutes sections
    HRS
    that the “CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH”
    is based upon.

    This is what we need to discuss!

    There are many, many, many HRS sections,
    but the particular ones that apply
    to the “CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH”
    being shown around the internet,
    are
    specifically
    Hawaii Revised Statutes
    HRS 338-13(b), 338-19

    SO THIS IS WHAT WE ALL NEED TO KNOW!

    HRS 338-13 Certified copies.
    (a) Subject to the requirements ot sections
    338-16,
    338-17,
    and
    338-18,
    the department of health shall, upon request, furnish any applicant a certifified copy of any certificate…
    OR ANY PART THEREOF.

    That means that PARTS MAY BE LEFT OUT!!!

    “OR ANY PART THEREOF” could mean they
    leave parts blank!!!!!

    AGAIN, LOOK IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE “CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH”
    AND YOU WILL SEE
    [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]

    HRS 338-13(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate
    on file in the department, certified by the department, shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, SUBJECT TO THE
    REQUIREMENTS OF
    338-16,
    338-17,
    338-18.

    THAT MEANS THAT WE NOW HAVE TO READ
    338-16, 338-17, 338-18
    TO FIND OUT WHAT KIND OF CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH THIS IS AND WHAT KIND OF REQUIREMENTS ARE INVOLVED
    WHICH TIE 338-13(b)
    TO 338-16, 338-17, 338-18

    THESE SECTIONS WORK TOGETHER,
    THEY ARE PARTS THAT FIT TOGETHER.
    YOU CAN’T READ JUST ONE, THEY ALL
    GO TOGETHER TO CREATE THE
    CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH
    FOR A CERTIFICATE WITH
    [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]
    IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER,
    AND KEEP IN MIND
    THAT 338-13(b)
    REQUIRES THAT THIS PARTICULAR COPY
    IS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF
    338-16, 338-17, 338-18

    HRS 338-16 (a) Birth certificates registered one
    year OR MORE after the date of birth, and
    certificates which HAVE BEEN ALTERED
    AFTER BEING FILED with the department of health,
    shall contain the date of the late filing and the date of the alteration and be marked distinctly
    “Late” or “altered”
    (e) “Late” means ONE YEAR OR MORE after the date of birth

    HRS 338-17 Late or altered certificate as evidence.
    The probative value of a “Late” or “altered” certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.

    HRS 338-17.5 Judicial procedure to establish facts of birth. (a) If a delayed certificate of birth is rejected under 338-16, a petition may be filed with the circuit court for an order establishing a record of the date and the parentage of the person whose birth is to be registered.

    HRS 338-17.7 Establishment of NEW CERTIFICATES of birth (1) a NEW BIRTH CERTIFICATE be prepared because previously recorded information has been altered pursuant to Law (5) request of a Law enforcement agency certifying that a new birth certificate showing different information would provide for the safety of the birth registrant.

    HRS 338-17.8 Certificates for children born out of State.
    (a) shall issue a birth certificate for such ADULT
    or minor, provided…declared..Hawaii as their Legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the BIRTH or adoption of such child.

    HRS 338-18 Disclosure of records.
    (a) it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records (b) unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest

    HRS 338-19 Department of health authorized to prepare typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies of any records and files in its office, which BY REASON OF AGE, USAGE, OR OTHERWISE ARE IN SUCH CONDITION THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER BE…USED..TO CERTIFY TO THE CORRECTNESS OF SUCH COPIES.

    THE ABOVE ARE THE HAWAII REVISED STATUTE SECTIONS, HRS, WHICH APPLY TO THE CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH POSTED ON WEB SITES ON THE INTERNET CLAIMED TO BE THAT OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, WHICH, IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER SHOW
    [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]
    BECAUSE
    HRS 338-13(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department certified by the department, shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF 338-16, 338-17, 338-18

    THEREFORE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS POSSIBLE THAT
    UNDER
    HRS 338-16
    BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA’S BIRTH WAS NOT REPORTED UNTIL ONE YEAR OR MORE AFTER HE WAS BORN TO THE STATE OF HAWAII

    HRS 338-17.7 RECORDED INFORMATION MAY HAVE BEEN ALTERED AND A NEW BIRTH CERTIFICATE ISSUED SHOWING DIFFERENT INFORMATION

    HRS 338-17 LATE OR ALTERED CERTIFICATE EVIDENCE SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE JUDICIAL OR ADMINISTRATIVE BODY OR OFFICIAL
    AS TO THE PROBATIVE VALUE

    HRS 338-18 IT SHALL BE UNLAWFUL TO DISCLOSE INFORMATION UNLESS AN APPLICANT PROVES A DIRECT AND TANGIBLE INTEREST

    CONSIDERING THE ABOVE,
    WHO CAN AFFORD TO FILE A PETITION TO THE SUPREME COURT
    IMMEDIATELY?

    http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov
    on the right click on Hawaii Revised Statutes

  30. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 4, 2009 at 3:06 pm #

    There appears to be an EPA regulation regarding the disposal of human remains at sea. According to the EPA web site:

    Disposal location and measures – Non-cremated remains

    Burial at sea of human remains that are not cremated shall take place at least 3 nautical miles from land and in water at least 600 feet deep. Certain areas, including east central Florida, the Dry Tortugas, Florida and west of Pensacola, Florida to the Mississippi River Delta, require water at least 1800 feet deep. Refer to the Code of Federal Regulations at 40 CFR 229.1 (PDF) (1 p, 149K, About PDF) for details. All necessary measures shall be taken to ensure that the remains sink to the bottom rapidly and permanently.

    Disposal location and measures – Cremated remains

    Cremated remains shall be buried in or on ocean waters without regard to the depth limitations specified for non-cremated remains in paragraph 2 above provided that such burial takes place at least three nautical miles from land.

    I guess it depends on how deep the water was.

  31. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 4, 2009 at 3:21 pm #

    Well they got off to a good start, but then went around a curve too fast and spun off the road. Answering the substantive questions:

    That means that PARTS MAY BE LEFT OUT!!!

    Only no parts are left out. All the fields on a standard Hawaiian COLB are present and accounted for.

    THEREFORE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS POSSIBLE THAT UNDER HRS 338-16 BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA’S BIRTH WAS NOT REPORTED UNTIL ONE YEAR OR MORE AFTER HE WAS BORN TO THE STATE OF HAWAII

    This is obviously false since Barack Obama’s birth certificate clearly shows he was born August 4, 1961 and that his birth was registered August 8, 1961. So therefore it is not possible that his birth was registered until one year or more after he was born.

    HRS 338-17.7 RECORDED INFORMATION MAY HAVE BEEN ALTERED AND A NEW BIRTH CERTIFICATE ISSUED SHOWING DIFFERENT INFORMATION

    Read HRS 338-17.7 again: “altered pursuant to Law (5) request of a Law enforcement agency certifying that a new birth certificate showing different information would provide for the safety of the birth registrant.” This is what we call the “witness protection program”. Since Stanley Ann Dunham has a history prior to Barack’s birth, it is evident that she was not in the witness protection program, and hence that her son wasn’t either.

    HRS 338-17 LATE OR ALTERED CERTIFICATE EVIDENCE SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE JUDICIAL OR ADMINISTRATIVE BODY OR OFFICIAL
    AS TO THE PROBATIVE VALUE

    This is irrelevant because Barack Obama’s birth certificate is neither later nor altered.

    HRS 338-18 IT SHALL BE UNLAWFUL TO DISCLOSE INFORMATION UNLESS AN APPLICANT PROVES A DIRECT AND TANGIBLE INTEREST

    Barack Obama disclosed the information.

    So, old stuff, nothing there.

  32. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 4, 2009 at 3:25 pm #

    A common means of increasing the cohesiveness of a group is to give members a job to do, so that they have a stake in the success of the organization. It’s not about getting the job done, it’s about letting members of the group feel good that they helped.

    This is one possible explanation.

  33. avatar
    Patrick McKinnion January 4, 2009 at 3:53 pm #

    Or, alternately, since her JD is from an on-line law school and she’s also running her dental practice, she may not have the research skills or time to do it.

  34. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 4, 2009 at 3:58 pm #

    She’s got that Robert Stevens person she should get help from.

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    bogus info January 4, 2009 at 4:28 pm #

    At what point would this woman be over stepping her boundaries? I think she is dangerously close.

    Sunday, January 4, 2009
    Madelyn Dunham’s brother dies right before the election
    This is what I got from a reader, Buelah

    “according to the Seattle times Mr Payne died 22 Oct 2008 this was on ancestry.com going to the full obit it was titled Obama grandmother helped mold candidates character”

    I am really concerned about all of these coincidences, that all of BO’s family dies. Even his uncle, Charles Payne, Madelyn Payne Dunham’s brother dies right before the election.
    We really need to start working hard and getting hospital records, mortuary records, death certificates, coroners reports, probate records for Ann Dunham, Madelyn Payne Dunham, Charles Payne, Stanley A. Dunham
    please e-mail me dr_taitz@yahoo.com put down “re death records” if you can take charge in searching for any of these docs
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 11:43 AM
    RSS

  36. avatar
    bogus info January 4, 2009 at 4:30 pm #

    I posted that because I thought this had been debunked but wanted to be sure in case I had missed something. Haven’t been doing this that long.

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    bogus info January 4, 2009 at 5:17 pm #

    What happenned on Oct 21-Oct 22?
    Posted on January 5th, 2009 by David Crockett
    Read in relation to

    Madelyn Dunham’s brother dies right before the election
    Dr. Orly Taitz asks for the following
    Dr. Orly Taitz is on to something big, let’s do whatever we can to assist her.

    Dr. Orly Taitz looks for the following information.

    The Seattle times ran an article showing Charles Payne, Madelyn Payne Dunham’s brother dying Oct 22, 2008 I just remembered reading Larry Sinclair’s article on Citizen Wells. According to Larry, an employee of the mortuary stated to him that Madelyn Dunham has died on Oct 22. Did anybody see Madelyn Dunham alive after October 22?

    If Larry is correct, then both BO’s grandmother and great uncle die or disappear from public eye and unavailable for any questioning or subpoena on the same day, October 22. I wonder what happened on that day or a day before? It looks like something happened that spooked this Adams family. What was it? Can anyone remember any newspaper articles, any public statements happening on Oct 21-22?

    Are there any reports of his other relatives being seen after the 22nd? His paternal grandmother Sarah Obama? 3 other wifes of BO sr, particularly the other American wife, Ruth Nidesand (Nidersand or Obama) and her 2 sons David and Mark Ndsandjo (Nidesand, Nidersand, Obama)?

  38. avatar
    bogus info January 4, 2009 at 7:08 pm #

    Sunday, January 4, 2009
    More info and let’s pray for one decent person in that family
    One of the readers stated that Margaret Payne lives in Kansas. Another reader stated that reader Buela made a mistake and Charles Payne is alive. If that is correct, we have Charles, Margaret and Jack Payne, all of their children and grand children. Any living relative can sign a request for release of BO’s original BC. I hope that in this whole family there is one honest, decent person, that cares about the truth and the Constituion of this country and signs a rquest to get a copy of BO’s BC.
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 3:17 PM 0 comments Links to this post
    More important info for you to go by, we can get to the bottom of it
    Things are moving fast. Apparently Charles Payne gave an interview to the US News reporter Allen G Breed. I don’t know when exactly Charles Payne was interviewed, but the article came out on Oct 24. Judging by the article Charles Payne was in good health, 83 year old retired director of University of Chicago library.
    I was trying to see, what new info came out in this article.
    1. There is a sister of Madelyn Dunham, her name is Margaret Payne (don’t know married name), retired professor of statistics, univ. of Chapel Hill, NC, 82 y.o.
    2. There is a brother Jack Payne, 71 y.o.
    Can anyone find these relatives? Maybe they have more info on BO’s birth, whereabouts and addresses, where Madelyn and Stanley A. Dunham lived in Ca, Tx, Ks.
    3. Stanley Armor Dunham died in 1992, no probate docs were found so far
    4. Stanley Ann Dunham died in 1995, no probate docs were found
    5. Madelyn Dunham volunteered as a probate aid in Oahu circuit court
    6. She also volunteered as an arbitrator in Juvenile monetary restitution department
    Can somebody find this reporter, he should have info on the addresses of Margaret, Jack and Charles. That’s a starting point. Maybe he has info on their children and grandchildren

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    laughinghysterically January 4, 2009 at 8:54 pm #

    I suppose she is shocked that Obama’s family can die because she believes they all possess super-secret-magical immortality??

    Truly, I am sorry, not to be crude, but WTF, WTF, WTF, W_T_F?? Is there any chance the good Dr. could be hitting up the Nitrous Oxide? Where in the heck does she come up with this stuff!

    So, complete bummer, I guess since Obama’s family members have passed on in old age, the “Obama and his family have super-secret-magical-immortality” conspiracy theory is debunked?!?

  40. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 4, 2009 at 8:56 pm #

    It might have a bearing on the theory that they are lizard people.

  41. avatar
    laughinghysterically January 4, 2009 at 9:13 pm #

    Ok, now I LITERALLY just spit tea out through my nose because I laughed so damn hard!

    Ouch…but LMFAO!

  42. avatar
    bogus info January 4, 2009 at 9:25 pm #

    I have a feeling its going to get much, much worse before Jan. 20. This woman amazes me.

  43. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 4, 2009 at 10:02 pm #

    There is some point past which honorable people will get disgusted and leave.

  44. avatar
    bogus info January 4, 2009 at 10:44 pm #

    Correction
    Apparently Arlene Payne is Margaret Arlene Payne, born 1926, BO’s great aunt, Madelyn Dunham’s sister.
    She was a professor of statistics at Chapel Hill, NC and now lives in Kansas. Can someone interview her?
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 6:32 PM 0 comments Links to this post
    who is Cynthia?
    Does anyone know who is Cynthia that lived with Madelyn Dunham?
    Was she a live-in nurse, a caretaker? Can someone visit her and ask the unanswered questions?
    David Crockett says:Today, 4:15:55 PM“A commenter on my blog wrote:

    “…start with Cynthia the young woman that lives in Madelyn’s apartment…. Who is this woman and why is she still living there?…”

    Personally I don’t know the answer nor where the person is pointing at. Nevertheless I post it here as maybe somebody could do something with it.

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    bogus info January 4, 2009 at 10:53 pm #

    Mr. and Mrs. Obama Sr. visit Kenya in summer of 61?
    Posted on January 5th, 2009 by David Crockett
    The Steady Drip is reporting

    Another little tid bit, thanks to Janet at citizenwells

    Most intelligence work doesn’t require special skills other than a curious mind and the ability to sort through tons of meaningless data to find one nugget.

    Obama Sr. and Obama’s mom were married in February of 1961. Five months later Obama was born. The article at the link below reports that Ann Dunham visited Seattle and talked about being excited about Obama Sr. going back to Kenya for a visit.

    Now, Ann would have been visiting during break from classes at U of HI. Her husband’s visit to Kenya would have also been that summer because he was due back to class in the fall. What do you want to bet that Ann went with her husband to visit her in-laws in Kenya and that is where Obama was born in August.?

    She and Obama Sr. then returned to Hawaii in time for classes to start and Ann registered Obama’s birth in Hawaii. What do you think?

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004334057_obama08m.html “Susan Blake, another high-school classmate, said that during a brief visit in 1961, Dunham was excited about her husband’s plans to return to Kenya.”

    That also means that they were probably traveling together and it might be useful to check public records (Ports of Entry) to see if there is any record of Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham entering the United States with an infant.

    And from back in October:

    Written by bhartzer on
    document.write(localTime(’Oct 23, 2008 22:29 GMT’))
    Oct-23-08 6:29pm
    From: blog.light-of-reason.com

    According to a report today, Barack Obama, the Senator from Illinois who is seeking to be President of the United States, was born in Kenya.

    Someone is lying. According to Obama’s Kenyan (paternal) grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the Democratic candidate for president claims. His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room.

    One explanation is that Obama’s mother Ann Dunham, flew to Kenya in 1961 with Obama’s father to meet his family. According to some news reports, Ann Dunham, was not accepted well by her husband’s family because she was white:“Obama’s family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama very well, because she was white, according to Sarah Obama. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she later said, she did not like how Muslim men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near term the airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her baby. Obama’s grandmother said the baby—Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.—was born in Kenya and that shortly after he was born, Stanley Ann returned to Hawaii.”

    We know how Barack Obama currently feels about his grandmother. Perhaps this is another thing that he is trying to hide from us?

    And this:

    http://hubpages.com/hub/Obamas-Mother-Stanley-Anne-Durham

    They say:The video on the right is an interview with Susan Blake, (the video has been removed) one of Stanley’s friends form Mercer island, Washington, who recounts the visit from Stanley and Barry in August 61. The question is; what would a mother with a 3 wk old child be doing travelling at that time? Was she traveling on her way back from Kenya via Washington to Honololu? At that time, the international airport in Honolulu was just being built, and Stanley would not have been able to fly directly from Kenya to Honolulu, but only through Seattle.That article did not mention Susan Blake telling us that Stanley was excited about going to Kenya earlier.

    It looks like it all converges! If the One thinks that he can conceal the truth forever, he is obviously wrong!

    And: http://www.christianfaithandreason.com/obama.html

    This long article appears to contradict some of my post on The Steady Drip. After reading it I think some of the interviewees simply misunderstood the situation. Interesting none the less.

  46. avatar
    bogus info January 4, 2009 at 10:57 pm #

    Dr. C,

    You would think so but sure doesn’t appear to be the case. I hope this Orly person has someone invade her privacy like this one of these days–or others on that blog. What goes around, come around.

  47. avatar
    bogus info January 4, 2009 at 11:07 pm #

    This one will really blow your mind.

    A Natural Born Citizen…Orly?
    A discussion of the Obama Eligibility Controversy, with a call to action!

    Sunday, January 4, 2009
    Letter from a reader-Madelyn Dunhan suffered from orteoporosis, no mention of cancer

    In August, during a family vacation in Honolulu following his Democratic Party nomination, Obama told reporters that Dunham was struggling from osteoporosis that limits her mobility. He did not mention she had cancer. On Oct 21,2008 , Dunham’s brother, Charles Payne, who is Obama’s great-uncle, told the Associated Press from his Chicago home that Dunham, who turns 86 on Sunday, “has not been well for a long time. Then she fell and broke her hip fairly recently. She’s unhappy with the condition that she’s in, I can tell you that.” Again no mention of any cancer.

    Relative says Obama’s grandmother broke her hip and is ‘gravely ill’

    Madelyn Dunham, the woman who raised Barack Obama, died of cancer Nov 3,2008 on the eve of his election as president of the United States.
    Posted
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 7:06 PM 0 comments Links to this post
    from Mario Apuzzo, ESQ
    Message contains attachments

    Religion What Is Obama’s True Religion 1-4-09.doc (41KB)
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 6:41 PM 0 comments Links to this post
    Correction
    Apparently Arlene Payne is Margaret Arlene Payne, born 1926, BO’s great aunt, Madelyn Dunham’s sister.
    She was a professor of statistics at Chapel Hill, NC and now lives in Kansas. Can someone interview her?
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 6:32 PM 0 comments Links to this post
    who is Cynthia?
    Does anyone know who is Cynthia that lived with Madelyn Dunham?
    Was she a live-in nurse, a caretaker? Can someone visit her and ask the unanswered questions?
    David Crockett says:Today, 4:15:55 PM“A commenter on my blog wrote:

    “…start with Cynthia the young woman that lives in Madelyn’s apartment…. Who is this woman and why is she still living there?…”

    Personally I don’t know the answer nor where the person is pointing at. Nevertheless I post it here as maybe somebody could do something with it.
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 6:29 PM 0 comments Links to this post
    Need a volunteer in GA, preferrably with some legal background
    Are there any patriots residing in GA,( preferably with some legal background) please e-mail me at dr_taitz@yahoo.com
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 6:19 PM 0 comments Links to this post
    One more sibling-Arlene
    Another reader, David researched the genealogical tree and found yet another sibling Arlene Payne. Can anybody see if Stanley Armor Dunham had any siblings?

    Rolla Charles PAYNE and Leona MCCURRY ma! rried in Kansas about 1922 and had the following children:\r \r
    1. i. Madelyn PAYNE\r
    ii. Charles Thomas PAYNE born in 1925.\r
    iii. Arlene PAYNE born about 1926.\r
    \r
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 4:39 PM 0 comments Links to this post
    Letter from Attorney John Carlson-you wouldn’t believe that one
    I don’t have any Obama divorce papers to look at.

    This website has emails from the University of Hawaii and the University of Washington.
    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html
    Andy Martin confirmed that the UW email was from the UW source. Devvy Kidd received the UH email via letter so same email. Dates don’t make sense. Devvy mentioned that the email doesn’t show Ann in attendance in 1961. Dates of graduation don’t mesh with the dates of attendance.

    I discount the UH email as being credible. Consider the UW email as credible.

    On the Soetoro divorce papers clearly to me the small L’s standing for 1 are different. All small L’s in the divorce papers are similar except the small L supposedly representing Obama. Should have been done a day later as an add-on to correct a mistake. Could have been done years later assuming the original as legitimate. Alternately the whole divorce papers were reworked recently.

    Hawaii law makes parents responsible for the educational expenses past minority. That is the reason for the second blank which would be blank if only one minor child was involved. Nice place to type in a small L (1) which is way out of alignment.

    Comparing handwriting the divorce papers Ann Soetoro signatures not similar to high school writing samples of Stanley Ann Dunham. I can look for the sources of those samples if you are interested. The photo writing refers to best high school friend Maxine Box.

    I taught cursive writing in Chicago Schools for several years so I am aware of the features, differences. Why doesn’t Maya Soetoro show photos of the family? Then we can compare early Ann with Ann Soetoro.

    Obama’s Selective Service application hammered:
    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html
    President Carter didn’t require males to sign up for SS for a period but then restarted it. If Obama was born August 4, 1961 he had to sign up. If before August 4, 1961 up to 4 years he didn’t have to sign up. As August 4, 1961 was decided on as the BIG DAY there was a good reason to get a SS application in the system. I believe he is older maybe being born before Hawaii became a state August 1959 thus not natural born.
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 4:19 PM 0 comments Links to this post
    More info and let’s pray for one decent person in that family
    One of the readers stated that Margaret Payne lives in Kansas. Another reader stated that reader Buela made a mistake and Charles Payne is alive. If that is correct, we have Charles, Margaret and Jack Payne, all of their children and grand children. Any living relative can sign a request for release of BO’s original BC. I hope that in this whole family there is one honest, decent person, that cares about the truth and the Constituion of this country and signs a rquest to get a copy of BO’s BC.
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 3:17 PM 0 comments Links to this post
    More important info for you to go by, we can get to the bottom of it
    Things are moving fast. Apparently Charles Payne gave an interview to the US News reporter Allen G Breed. I don’t know when exactly Charles Payne was interviewed, but the article came out on Oct 24. Judging by the article Charles Payne was in good health, 83 year old retired director of University of Chicago library.
    I was trying to see, what new info came out in this article.
    1. There is a sister of Madelyn Dunham, her name is Margaret Payne (don’t know married name), retired professor of statistics, univ. of Chapel Hill, NC, 82 y.o.
    2. There is a brother Jack Payne, 71 y.o.
    Can anyone find these relatives? Maybe they have more info on BO’s birth, whereabouts and addresses, where Madelyn and Stanley A. Dunham lived in Ca, Tx, Ks.
    3. Stanley Armor Dunham died in 1992, no probate docs were found so far
    4. Stanley Ann Dunham died in 1995, no probate docs were found
    5. Madelyn Dunham volunteered as a probate aid in Oahu circuit court
    6. She also volunteered as an arbitrator in Juvenile monetary restitution department
    Can somebody find this reporter, he should have info on the addresses of Margaret, Jack and Charles. That’s a starting point. Maybe he has info on their children and grandchildren
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 2:46 PM 0 comments Links to this post
    What happenned on Oct 21-Oct 22?
    The Seattle times ran an article showing Charles Payne, Madelyn Payne Dunham’s brother dying Oct 22, 2008
    I just remembered reading Larry Sinclair’s article on Citizen Wells. According to Larry, an employee of the mortuary stated to him that Madelyn Dunham has died on Oct 22. Did anybody see Madelyn Dunham alive after October 22?
    If Larry is correct, then both BO’s grandmother and great uncle die or disappear from public eye and unavailable for any questioning or subpoena on the same day, October 22. I wonder what happened on that day or a day before? It looks like something happened that spooked this Adams family. What was it? Can anyone remember any newspaper articles, any public statements happening on Oct 21-22?

    Are there any reports of his other relatives being seen after the 22nd? His paternal grandmother Sarah Obama? 3 other wifes of BO sr, particularly the other American wife, Ruth Nidesand (Nidersand or Obama) and her 2 sons David and Mark Ndsandjo (Nidesand, Nidersand, Obama)?
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 1:03 PM 0 comments Links to this post
    Madelyn Dunham’s brother dies right before the election
    This is what I got from a reader, Buelah

    “according to the Seattle times Mr Payne died 22 Oct 2008 this was on ancestry.com going to the full obit it was titled Obama grandmother helped mold candidates character”

    I am really concerned about all of these coincidences, that all of BO’s family dies. Even his uncle, Charles Payne, Madelyn Payne Dunham’s brother dies right before the election.
    We really need to start working hard and getting hospital records, mortuary records, death certificates, coroners reports, probate records for Ann Dunham, Madelyn Payne Dunham, Charles Payne, Stanley A. Dunham
    please e-mail me dr_taitz@yahoo.com put down “re death records” if you can take charge in searching for any of these docs
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 11:43 AM 0 comments Links to this post
    Does anyone have info on BO’s aunt Zetunia?
    BO has an aunt, I believe her name is Zetunia. She was supposed to be deported, since she was an illegal alien and was muching of us the taxpayers, living in public housing in Boston. Does anyone have info on where is she now?
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 10:22 AM 0 comments Links to this post
    Can someone visit Madelyn Dunham’s brother in Chicago and have him sign consent for release of docs?
    CalifGirlInMaine replies:Today, 10:15:38 AM“Information about Stanley Ann and Madelyn Dunham? Not on line, that I know of (and I am a family genealogist), except the Social Security Death Index. The genealogist would rely on death certificates to verify facts.

    Madelyn’s brother lives in Chicago, I can’t think of his name right now. He would be entitled to request death certificates for his sister and niece. I don’t know if cousins would be, or if there are cousins
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 10:20 AM 0 comments Links to this post
    More info on burial at sea- Need volunteers to retrieve documents
    Aparent EPA- environment Protection agency dictates that burial at sea has to be at least 3 Nautical miles from shore. It is supposed to be done from a boat or plain. a special form is supposed to be filed with the EPA regional office.
    Regional office for HI is 75 Hawthorne str
    San Francisco CA 94105
    Allan Ota is the regional manager
    415-972-3476
    Can one of our readers in San Francisco stop by this office and get a certified copy of the documents filed in 1995 for Ann Dunham and one for Madelyn Dunham?
    Additionally there has to be a form filed with the local Registrar of Birth and Death in HI
    Can one of our readers in HI stop by this office and get a certified copy?
    Please e-mail me at dr_taitz@yahoo.com, so I will know who will take charge on this project. Please put in the e-mail re burial at sea, so I will know what is it about
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 10:06 AM 0 comments Links to this post
    Yesterday a record number of 6403 readers visited the blog
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 10:04 AM 0 comments Links to this post
    Can you help me get this doc?
    As you recall there was never a funeral and there is no burial place for either Stanley Ann Dunham or Madelyn Dunham. BO and his sister Maya simply spread the ashes over the ocean.
    A reader has e-mailed me that one cannot just spread human ashes standing on the beach. Human ashes can only be spread from a plane and from a certain distance from the beach. Can anybody get a document to that extend? Does anyone know if AFA ever allowed the state of Hi to violate this rule.
    Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 7:33 AM 0 comments Links to

  48. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 5, 2009 at 12:12 am #

    It is interesting to see how the grandmother tape keeps being embellished as it is retold. First, the tape doesn’t say Obama was born in Kenya. But Berg asserts that it does in his lawsuit. Then the part about the “delivery room” gets tacked on (as did Mombasa and hospital). This is the first time I have seen appended to the story, “shortly after he was born, Stanley Ann returned to Hawaii”. Obama’s step grandmother never mentioned “Stanley Ann”, nor Mombassa, nor delivery room. As for whether she said he was born in Kenya, she did say “he” was born in Kenya, but the “he” she was talking about is not our president-elect. That story is in this article: Obama’s Grandmother Says He was Born….

  49. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 5, 2009 at 12:14 am #

    It might be better to include excerpts from other sites and link to them rather than reprint their entire content here. There may be copyright issues.

  50. avatar
    bogus info January 5, 2009 at 4:08 am #

    Dr. C,

    I looked on Orly’s blog, and could not find any, but you are correct. Will do.

  51. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 5, 2009 at 7:45 am #

    I’m not a lawyer, but I understand that some copyright protection exists even without an explicit notice of copyright.

  52. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 5, 2009 at 7:50 am #

    While there may be some “patriots”, misinformed ones, on Dr. Orly’s blog, there is nothing patriotic or even moral about character assassination.

    The Eighth Commandment

    You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

    What does this mean for us?

    We are to fear and love God so that we do not betray, slander or lie about our neighbor, but defend him, speak well of him, and explain his actions in the kindest way.

    Martin Luther, The Small Catechism

  53. avatar
    bogus info January 5, 2009 at 7:51 am #

    Dr. C,

    I have no problem with you deleting them if it is a concern. And will only provide the link in the future. I would not want to put your blog in harms way or myself either.

    I’m not a lawyer either but I’m sure you are right about this.

  54. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 5, 2009 at 7:56 am #

    I haven’t had any complaints yet.

  55. avatar
    bogus info January 5, 2009 at 7:58 am #

    Dr. C,

    Especially those who are deceased and can’t defend themselves.

  56. avatar
    bogus info January 5, 2009 at 8:02 am #

    If you do, please let me know. Accountability begins at home. My intent was not to overstep copywrite laws. But, considering all the activity on the blogs/internet regarding this issue, I’m sure alot of copywrite laws have been violated by all. This is the craziest thing I have ever seen in my life. Most people are oblivious to it. Wish I was.

  57. avatar
    bogus info January 5, 2009 at 4:07 pm #

    One of the bloggers on Doc Orly’s blog wrote:

    “I have a call in to Margaret Arlene Payne and Margery Duffy. If they will grant me an interview I will fly there promptly.”

    Wanna know what I did?

  58. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 5, 2009 at 9:32 pm #

    So will we have yet another unsigned unsworn affidavit of the interview?

  59. avatar
    Polarik January 11, 2009 at 12:20 am #

    I independently determined that the signatures of Stanley Ann D. Obama were forged, but not because they don’t match her high school samples, but because they have the telltale signs of being forged.

  60. avatar
    Andrew A. Gill January 11, 2009 at 1:05 am #

    Dr. Polarik, I also have a degree in image sciences, though not a doctoral one. In my opinion, it looks like the white pixels are caused by ynshaep mask.

    Have you considered thus possibility?

  61. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 11, 2009 at 8:21 am #

    The white pixels are white because “Polarik” changed them. They are there in the original. I verified this myself.

    And Polarik is a fictional character, and fictional characters do not have a degree in anything. The “story” about the Polarik character does not include any claims of advanced degrees in image science, but contradicting claims of degrees in Instructional Media and Instructional Systems.

  62. avatar
    Andrew A. Gill January 11, 2009 at 11:03 am #

    Well, yes.

    I’m just issuing this guy a challenge on his own terms.

    Sarcasm doesn’t translate well over the internet.

  63. avatar
    ripalinsky January 26, 2009 at 1:50 pm #

    Obama is as rotten as you might expect someone to be that grew up in his environments. Some claims about him are wrong, but there is enough truth to make it obvious that he has no business being in the White House.

  64. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 26, 2009 at 4:14 pm #

    You’ll have a chance to change that in 4 years.

  65. avatar
    Kelly January 28, 2009 at 2:53 pm #

    I don’t know about Hawaii, but in Georgia the only people who can get a copy of a birth certificate are those 1) listed on the certificate – child, mother, father 2) an attorney who requests on the behalf of one of those people or 3) under a court order. Also, if you people wanna see real crazy – check out http://www.plainsradio.com and see what they are up to.

  66. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 28, 2009 at 3:46 pm #

    Hawaii extends the list of people a little more but it’s similar.