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The “birther” nonsense will be put to rest

So says political commentator Ruth Ann Daily inย  the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in her post-2010-elections predictions. After the predicted repudiation of Barack Obama’s agenda by voters tomorrow birther nonsense will be put to rest. Daily argues that the birther movement is just a reflection of the public frustration with Barack Obama’s administration and that once they have the opportunity to repudiate him in the polls, the birther movement will die out.

She says:

The birther movement was always counterproductive, and now the American voters have rendered it irrelevant.

It is counterproductive, and it was always irrelevant, but “put to rest”? Not likely.

504 Responses to The “birther” nonsense will be put to rest

  1. avatar
    misha November 1, 2010 at 7:43 pm #

    That crowd is going to be hounding Obama years after office. It’s like the corpse that keeps coming back to life.

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    aarrgghh November 1, 2010 at 8:19 pm #

    just last week, via freeperville:

    When Obama leaves office he still gets various benefits ~ medical care, retirement, office space, staff, etc.

    The NEXT ADMINISTRATION will be legally responsible for providing those things to him.

    Obviously if he never qualified to be President he would not qualify for the retirement benefits. Seems to me the NEXT ADMINISTRATION could deny those benefits unless/until there’s proof in hand that he qualifies for them.

    posted on October 26, 2010 12:02:24 PM EDT by muawiyah (“GIT OUT THE WAY” The Republicans are coming)

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    misha November 1, 2010 at 8:19 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: For that matter, why wasn’t Anita Hill treated in the same way Orly Taitz was treated?

    When bread falls on the floor, why does it always land on the buttered side?

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    misha November 1, 2010 at 8:21 pm #

    aarrgghh: Seems to me the NEXT ADMINISTRATION could deny those benefits unless/until there’s proof in hand that he qualifies for them.

    If my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a trolley car.

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    aarrgghh November 1, 2010 at 8:21 pm #

    oops … here’s the proper link for preceding quote: freeperville

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    HellT November 1, 2010 at 8:43 pm #

    The Republican game plan is to make Obama a one-term president by any means possible. Whatever it takes. They learned the hard way with Clinton that they didn’t go far enough to damage his re-electibility. That’s what the strategy will be this time around once the Republicans take the House. They’ll invent every possible kind of scandal, make every accusation under the sun, open endless investigations. All with the goal of turning enough of the country against Obama that the Democrats abandon him as their candidate in 2012.

    Why the hell do you think even established Republican politicians have been playing the birther game? Now they said it – now they back off. It’s to gradually shift the public perception of Obama from being an obviously qualified President to increasing doubts about everything known and suspected about him. This tactic is called the Overton Window.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_Window

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    misha November 1, 2010 at 8:47 pm #

    HellT: They’ll invent every possible kind of scandal, make every accusation under the sun, open endless investigations.

    Obama will be impeached:
    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/10/obama-will-be-impeached.html

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    misha November 1, 2010 at 8:52 pm #

    HellT: All with the goal of turning enough of the country against Obama that the Democrats abandon him as their candidate in 2012.

    “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/25/mcconnell-obama-one-term/

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    Joey November 1, 2010 at 9:20 pm #

    “If tea party groups are to maximize their influence on policy, they must now begin the difficult task of disassociating themselves from cranks and conspiracy nuts. This includes 9/11 deniers, “birthers” who insist Barack Obama was not born in the U.S., and militia supporters espousing something vaguely close to armed rebellion.”–Karl Rove, Wall Street Journal Editioral

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    Dr. Conspiracy November 1, 2010 at 10:03 pm #

    misha: When bread falls on the floor, why does it always land on the buttered side?

    Confirmation bias at work.

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    Majority Will November 1, 2010 at 10:05 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: “It’s like the corpse that keeps coming back to life.”

    Yep. And re-quote intended. It’s not like crap for brains has anything more than senseless drooling to share.

  12. avatar
    Dave November 1, 2010 at 10:06 pm #

    In a nation awash in ill-considered, ill-informed punditry, I wonder what prompted you to even read much less comment on this particular example by an unknown (to me at least) columnist at a not particularly widely read newspaper.

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    misha November 1, 2010 at 11:25 pm #

    Arthur: I work in theatre, and and in my profession, sexual jokes, sexual innuendo, and outrageous sexual behavior are commonplace.

    The Aristocrats. Know why Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin appeared together? They were staging “The Aristocrats in Alaska.”

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    Keith November 2, 2010 at 3:15 am #

    misha:
    The Aristocrats. Know why Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin appeared together? They were staging “The Aristocrats in Alaska.”

    Don’t go there!

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    US Citizen November 2, 2010 at 5:19 am #

    None of the birthers want to admit it’s over.
    It’s like the big irrelevant in the room.

    (apologies to Groucho Marx for the pun.)

  16. avatar
    BatGuano November 2, 2010 at 8:01 am #

    Marxist.

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    AnotherBird November 2, 2010 at 8:37 am #

    SvenMagnussen: As a matter of fairness, I think all naturalized citizens should be given the same opportunity BHO II was given.

    SvenMagnussen, Orly Taitz was given her opportunity to present her case. There was none, so they were all dismissed.

    If a naturalized citizen want to run for State Senator, or Senator there is absolutely nothing stopping them. All they have to do is make sure that they meet the age and residency requirements by the time they enter office. Remember American is the land of opportunities.

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    Black Lion November 2, 2010 at 8:56 am #

    From GW….More nonsense from Mario the pretend constitutional expert…

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/atty-apuzzo-the-framers-of-constitution-used-vattel-to-qualify-natural-born

    New Essay: Atty Mario Apuzzo; The Framers Used Emer de Vattel, Not William Blackstone to Define a “Natural Born Citizen”- Got Citizen Parents!?

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/11/new-essay-attorney-mario-apuzzo-framers.html

    he Framers Used Emer de Vattel, Not William Blackstone to Define a “Natural Born Citizen”
    by: Mario Apuzzo, Esq.

    The question which has gripped our nation is whether Barack Obama is eligible to be President and Commander in Chief. Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 provides that: “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

    The proper question under this clause is not whether Obama is a “Citizen of the United States.”

    Rather, the correct question is whether Obama is a “natural born Citizen” thereunder.

    The TERMINOLOGY of the CONSTITUTION has MEANING and is NOT TO BE DISMISSED
    ——————-

    It cannot be presumed that any clause in the constitution is intended to be without effect, and therefore such construction is inadmissible unless the words require it….” Marbury v. Madison. 5 U.S. 137, 174 (1803). In other words, the “natural born Citizen” clause of Article II must be given independent effect from the “citizen of the United States” clause of Article II itself and of the Fourteenth Amendment. All Presidents must qualify as Article II “natural born Citizens,” not as Fourteenth Amendment “citizens of the United States.”

    The two clauses have different and distinct meanings or they would not have their own independent life in the Constitution.

    Article II says “natural born Citizen” and the Fourteenth Amendment says “citizen of the United States.” If being a “citizen of the United States” had the same exact effect as being a “natural born citizen,” then the “natural born Citizen” clause would have no effect. Such a construction is not admissible. If we were not to give special meaning to the words “natural born” and conclude that “natural born Citizen” and “citizen of the United States” mean the same thing, the words “natural born” in the “natural born Citizen” clause of Article II would be superfluous. Our Supreme Court has consistently expressed “a deep reluctance to interpret a statutory provision so as to render superfluous other provisions in the same enactment.” Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare v. Davenport, 495 U.S. 552, 110 S.Ct. 2126, 2133, 109 L.Ed.2d 588 (1990); International Union, United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural Implement Workers of America, Uaw v. Johnson Controls, Inc, 499 U.S. 187, 111 S.Ct. 1196, 1204, 113 L.Ed.2d 158 (1991) .

    Hence, we have to give special meaning to the words “natural born.”

    WHAT DOES “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN” MEAN?
    ————

    As so many scholars and commentators have asked, what does “natural born Citizen” mean? Why did the Framers distinguish in Article II between a “citizen of the United States” and a “natural born Citizen?” The Founders trusted the occupancy of the Office of President to those born on or inhabiting the soil of or to those who naturalized in the Colonies or new States, all of whom belonged to the original citizen class because, even though they were born subject to a foreign power, they had evidenced their loyalty and attachment to the United States by fighting for the American cause in the Revolution. Also, for those born “natural born subjects” of the British Crown, through the Treaty of Peace of 1783, England absolved its subjects of the natural allegiance that they owed to it. But the Founders knew that there would be other foreigners coming to live in America in the future. The allegiance and loyalty of these future foreigners would not have been tested or even absolved in some manner as had occurred under the Treaty of Peace of 1783. The Founders feared foreign influence infecting the administration of the government. It was the fear of foreign influence invading the Office of Commander in Chief of the military that prompted John Jay, our first U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice, to write to General George Washington the following letter dated July 25, 1787: “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen” (underlying in the original). Note that Jay wanted a “strong” check that would prevent a foreigner from becoming the Commander in Chief. Hence, any definition of “natural born Citizen” must provide our nation with the strongest check possible on foreign influence invading the Office of President and Commander in Chief of the Military. The Framers found the definition of “natural born Citizen” that would suit their purpose of protecting the future of and preserving the new nation not in the English common law and William Blackstone but in natural law and the law of nations as commented upon by Emer de Vattel, in his treatise, The Law of Nations, or Principles of the Laws of Nature, Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns, bk. 1, c. 19, sec. 212 (original French in 1758 and first English in 1759). This law became American common law. See my article entitled, ‘The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law’ as U.S. Federal Common Law Not English Common Law Define What an Article II Natural Born Citizen Is, found at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/08/law-of-nations-and-not-english-common.html.

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    Dr. Conspiracy November 2, 2010 at 10:45 am #

    Dave: In a nation awash in ill-considered, ill-informed punditry, I wonder what prompted you to even read much less comment on this particular example by an unknown (to me at least) columnist at a not particularly widely read newspaper.

    I would point out that this web site is largely devoted to “ill-considered, ill-informed punditry” and it was a slow news day.

    Beyond that, I want to present a variety of opinion. I thought the point of the article was interesting, even if not particularly true.

    The argument made was that the birther movement was a reflection of the unpopularity of Barack Obama, and once the voters have the opportunity to vent their dislike of Obama by voting Democrats out, they have achieved their objective, and the Obama conspiracies will have been made obsolete.

    I personally think this view is wrong, that Obama conspiracies will be around in strength at least until after the 2012 election where they will fizzle if Obama loses.

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    Majority Will November 2, 2010 at 10:50 am #

    Black Lion: question which has gripped our nation

    Mario has no grip on reality. This is a pathetic attempt for attention by a desperate, pathological narcissist.

    Also known as Polarik, Berg or Taitz’s Syndrome.

    Sad, little bigots.

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    JoZeppy November 2, 2010 at 11:10 am #

    Black Lion: From GW….More nonsense from Mario the pretend constitutional expert…

    Funny….most constitutional law scholars publish their articles in law journals, not on blogs….I wonder why Mario hasn’t submitted his articles for publication?

  22. avatar
    Lupin November 2, 2010 at 11:40 am #

    To paraphrase Dickens, “Mario is a ass–a idiot.”

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    Gordon November 2, 2010 at 2:47 pm #

    If the GOP wins the House, and it looks like they will, I expect Birthers to press their Congressman to pursue the matter. I will be embarrassing, and Rep Congressman will dance around the issue to keep from upsetting the base.

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    misha November 2, 2010 at 2:56 pm #

    Gordon: I expect Birthers to press their Congressman to pursue the matter.

    I completely agree. Clinton was asked, ‘did you have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky?’ He replied “no,” and then Kenneth Starr spent $40M proving he did. He was then impeached for perjury.

    They’ll find something that Obama did not answer truthfully, even by mistake, and scream ‘perjury.’

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    Joey November 2, 2010 at 3:36 pm #

    misha: I completely agree. Clinton was asked, did you have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky?’ He replied “no,” and then Kenneth Starr spent $40M proving he did. He was then impeached for perjury.They’ll find something that Obama did not answer truthfully, even by mistake, and scream perjury.’

    However Clinton was found not guilty of perjury by a vote of 55-45 with ten Republicans joining the Democrats in finding him to be not guilty.

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    Expelliarmus November 2, 2010 at 3:43 pm #

    misha: They’ll find something that Obama did not answer truthfully, even by mistake, and scream perjury.’

    It can’t be “perjury” unless it is testimony under oath.

    The only reason that the Monica Lewinsky thing resonated was that it involved sex, which is easy for people to understand and tends to attract attention, and Clinton complicated things for himself by public statements (“I did not have sex with that woman”) which ended up being demonstrably false. Clinton’s mistake was doing something indefensible, albeit trivial in the context of governance. The GOP mistake was in overplaying their hand — they should have gone with censure and moved on. (Which is, by the way, the source of the name of “Moveon.org” — which epitomizes the mistake that the GOP made).

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    misha November 2, 2010 at 3:44 pm #

    Joey: However Clinton was found not guilty

    That’s true. 67 votes are needed to convict. My feeling is that Obama will be impeached, and the Senate will not convict. They’ll vote along party lines, so the Repugs will only have 48 votes.

    Issa will play footsie with the Birthers, and give at least one a hearing.

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    dunstvangeet November 2, 2010 at 3:52 pm #

    Joey, technically, Clinton was never found “Not Guilty” of that. That would have required a criminal trial, which the Impeachment hearing was not a criminal trial. The impeachment hearing had one purpose: to determine whether or not Clinton should be thrown out of office.

    Clinton was never charged with perjury.

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    Majority Will November 2, 2010 at 3:52 pm #

    Expelliarmus:
    It can’t be “perjury” unless it is testimony under oath.The only reason that the Monica Lewinsky thing resonated was that it involved sex, which is easy for people to understand and tends to attract attention,and Clinton complicated things for himself by public statements (“I did not have sex with that woman”) which ended up being demonstrably false. Clinton’s mistake was doing something indefensible, albeit trivial in the context of governance. The GOP mistake was in overplaying their hand — they should have gone with censure and moved on.(Which is, by the way, the source of the name of “Moveon.org” — which epitomizes the mistake that the GOP made).

    And Newt Gingrich was such a role model and beacon of integrity and marital fidelity.

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    misha November 2, 2010 at 4:16 pm #

    Majority Will: And Newt Gingrich was such a role model and beacon of integrity and marital fidelity.

    Gingrich is a good standard of behavior because he is a True Christianโ„ข.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 2, 2010 at 4:30 pm #

    misha: I completely agree. Clinton was asked, did you have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky?’ He replied “no,” and then Kenneth Starr spent $40M proving he did. He was then impeached for perjury.They’ll find something that Obama did not answer truthfully, even by mistake, and scream perjury.’

    Actually Clinton was never charged with Perjury. It takes three conditions for perjury. One it has to be a lie, it has to be something the teller knows is untrue, it has to be relevant. The lie about the Monica Lewinsky affair during the Jones case was found irrelevant and the Lewinsky affair had no bearing on the jones case.

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    Joey November 2, 2010 at 4:32 pm #

    misha: That’s true. 67 votes are needed to convict. My feeling is that Obama will be impeached, and the Senate will not convict. They’ll vote along party lines, so the Repugs will only have 48 votes. Issa will play footsie with the Birthers, and give at least one a hearing.

    The Republicans will not make the same mistake twice. By tomorrow we will know exactly how many votes they will have in the Senate, if it’s less than 67 votes (counting the RINOs) they will not impeach Obama and fail. Impeachment and failure to convict made Clinton stronger. They will not want that to happen again with Obama

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    Joey November 2, 2010 at 4:35 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Actually Clinton was never charged with Perjury. It takes three conditions for perjury. One it has to be a lie, it has to be something the teller knows is untrue, it has to be relevant. The lie about the Monica Lewinsky affair during the Jones case was found irrelevant and the Lewinsky affair had no bearing on the jones case.

    Clinton was charged with perjury and obstruction of justice in the POLITICAL process of impeachment. The vote on perjury was 55-45 not gullty and the vote on obstruction of justice was 50-50, so not gullty as well since it takes 67 senators to convict and remove a president from office.

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    Expelliarmus November 2, 2010 at 5:37 pm #

    misha: . My feeling is that Obama will be impeached, and the Senate will not convict. They’ll vote along party lines, so the Repugs will only have 48 votes.

    Misha, if the GOP does that, they will lose both houses and the Presidency in a landslide in 2012. I don’t think the Congressional leadership is that stupid. The only way they will hang onto their seats and have a chance at victory in 2012 is if they can shift things so that it looks like they are working to pass popular legislation and the Democrat-controlled Senate and/or Obama are trying to stop it.

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    misha November 2, 2010 at 6:04 pm #

    Expelliarmus: I don’t think the Congressional leadership is that stupid.

    There weren’t 67 votes to convict Clinton, and they still did it.

    Darrell Issa: “Not a chance at this point…” He was not unequivocal. When Pelosi was asked, she replied “off the table.” Unequivocal.

    The Repugs will harrass him, until he makes a mistake. Conservatives detest Obama, and they want to give him the Roy Cohn treatment.

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    John Reilly November 2, 2010 at 6:26 pm #

    As I recall, President Clinton was charged with perjury in the impeachment for statements he made, under oath, while he was President, in a deposition in the Paula Jones case. Unlike most depositions, the trial judge attended and resolved objections on the spot. The Senate chose not to convict. However, the President’s perjury during the deposition led to charges being filed against him with the Arkansas bar, and I believe he gave up his license. President Clinton did not acquit himself well in this process, and in 2000 many voters voted for George Bush because they felt the country was not headed in the right direction. (A rising stock market and no war apparently did not rate as high with those voters as getting even with Bill Clinton.)

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    Dr. Conspiracy November 2, 2010 at 7:03 pm #

    misha: I completely agree. Clinton was asked, did you have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky?’ He replied “no,” and then Kenneth Starr spent $40M proving he did. He was then impeached for perjury.

    I thought he replied: “There is no sexual relationship” from which the infamous defense was: “it depends on what the definition of ‘is’ is.”

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    misha November 2, 2010 at 7:11 pm #

    John Reilly: (A rising stock market and no war apparently did not rate as high with those voters as getting even with Bill Clinton.)

    The politics of resentment. It worked for Hitler.

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    misha November 2, 2010 at 7:16 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I thought he replied: “There is no sexual relationship” from which the infamous defense was: “it depends on what the definition of is’ is.”

    I did not google the quote, and was not precise.

    My point, and Chait’s is, they’ll find something, and hound him.

    “McConnell explained that “the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”

    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/27/news/la-pn-obama-mcconnell-20101027

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    Patrick McKinnion November 2, 2010 at 7:16 pm #

    The problem is that the birthers and Teahaddists are expecting a clean sweep of both House and Senate, with impeachment hearings to start tomorrow at the latest. They fully expect that the “uppity darkie” in the WHITE House will be out before the end of the year of they take control.

    And they will scream “voter fraud” if they only get the House or Senate – or even if they get them by narrow margins.

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    misha November 2, 2010 at 7:22 pm #

    Patrick McKinnion: birthers and Teahaddists are expecting a clean sweep of both House and Senate, with impeachment hearings to start tomorrow at the latest. They fully expect that the “uppity darkie” in the WHITE House will be out before the end of the year of they take control. And they will scream “voter fraud” if they only get the House or Senate

    That’s exactly how I feel. Angle and Toomey will make life hell.

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    Dr. Conspiracy November 2, 2010 at 7:32 pm #

    Patrick McKinnion: And they will scream “voter fraud” if they only get the House or Senate – or even if they get them by narrow margins.

    That I will believe.

  43. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 2, 2010 at 7:52 pm #

    HI OBOTS!

    You know, what could happen is that Obama will fire the STUPID OBOTS who work for him now, and hire SMART OBOTS who will tell him to just go ahead and cough up a bumpy Birth Certificate or Long Form (not a PICTURE) into PUBLIC!

    While it is a long shot, maybe one of the OBOTs will think of the simple answer.

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    misha November 2, 2010 at 8:02 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: maybe one of the OBOTs will think of the simple answer.

    Here’s my simple answer:
    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/11/separated-at-birth.html

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    SqueekyFromm November 2, 2010 at 8:08 pm #

    Misha:

    You have a very pretty website! I have artwork on mine too!

    http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/10/obamas-first-grade-papers.html

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    misha November 2, 2010 at 8:11 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: I have artwork on mine too!

    Check out this:
    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/11/its-for-you.html

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    Dave November 2, 2010 at 8:11 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: HI OBOTS!You know, what could happen is that Obama will fire the STUPID OBOTS who work for him now, and hire SMART OBOTS who will tell him to just go ahead and cough up a bumpy Birth Certificate or Long Form (not a PICTURE) into PUBLIC!While it is a long shot, maybe one of the OBOTs will think of the simple answer.Tee Hee! Tee Hee!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Yes, I know the stupid obots who work for the President now just don’t understand that meeting your demands is the most important thing they could possibly do. In fact, they, like me, are so stupid they are probably having difficulty understanding what “into PUBLIC!” means exactly. Would you like the President to send a certified copy to each of our 300 million citizens? Actually, I’m being ridiculous, he only really needs to send out about a thousand, one to each birther. Is that what you had in mind?

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    SqueekyFromm November 2, 2010 at 8:17 pm #

    To Misha: Wasn’t she on VH1??? Isn’t that New York??? Plus here is another history article on mine. PLUS, I am even doing MOVIES now!!!

    http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/11/waterloo-what-is-it.html

    To Dave:

    No. You don’t have to do that. Sarah Palin (LOL!!!) had an easy answer in her debate with Obama.

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/obama-and-palin-square-off-in-an-intelligence-debate

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    misha November 2, 2010 at 8:22 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Wasn’t she on VH1???

    I will only say she is a model I hired. I have a confidentiality agreement.

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    Arthur November 2, 2010 at 9:31 pm #

    Please, could somebody get Master Chief and Cortana to fire the ring and put an end to Grave Mind (aka the Squeeky)? At the very least , could everyone remember that the Squeeky is a parasitic life form that can only live if you respond to it. Don’t feed the Flood!

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    SqueekyFromm November 2, 2010 at 10:02 pm #

    Oh Arthur, does one little old Birther scare you that much? OK, I will go. Here is a doggerel poem I wrote for Bovilexia and Poor Fut, who I fight with all the time at greatwire:

    Revenge of the Birthers Day Poem

    Now, it’s today, the third of November.
    An important date that you all should remember.
    Today, is the day when Obama got “spayed”
    And the brains of the OBOTS can all get displayed!

    On all the court cases you kept a good score,
    But while winning each battle, you sure lost the war!
    You were way too darn smart to respect the opinion
    Of all of the people who thought him a Kenyan.

    Oh, I bet that today being you really sucks!
    To think it was fixable for only ten bucks!
    But it was more fun just to pick and to tease,
    So many Republicans won with great ease!

    Since Obama is neutered, he may make amends,
    Cause he doesn’t need enemies with OBOTS as friends!
    Maybe you’ll learn for the next Birther Storm,
    That if there’s a question, COUGH UP THE LONG FORM!!!

    That really was simple, if you all had just thunk,
    We wouldn’t have clobbered you with a SLAM DUNK!
    And, I tried to warn you, you’ll surely agree,
    But you didn’t listen soooo. . . Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Good night, OBOTS!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    Majority Will November 2, 2010 at 10:25 pm #

    Sarah Palin Endorses Nativist Birther Tancredo for Governor

    Why would the former half-term governor of Alaska endorse Tancredo now, especially with all of his baggage? Because if he does win today, she wants to ensure she has his support in the presidential primary. Yes, all signs point to a Sarah Palin 2012 presidential run.

    In her taped message, Palin said Tancredo was the “the right man for the job.” Tancredo referred to Palin’s support, as a “glowing endorsement.”

    “Tom is the right man for the job and he’ll fight for lower taxes,” Palin said. “He’ll stop growing government and start growing the economy, and we know he’ll continue to work to end illegal immigration.”

    Well, that’s interesting because Tancredo has other plans for his stint as governor, if indeed he does manage to win today. What does the birther conspiracy theorist plan to do? He would continue with his anti-immigration and anti-Muslim bigotry, as well as campaign for the impeachment of President Obama. Oh, and he also derides the notion that lawmakers, should you know, actually legislate and make laws, saying it’s “an elitist idea.”

    The former Congressman, once called for the bombing of Muslim holy sites in Mecca and Medina. And despite condemnation for his incendiary remarks, Tancredo recently said they were “quite defensible.”

    Regarding his birtherism, Tancredo believes Obama’s Hawaii birth announcements are fake. “Anybody can put an article in a newspaper. Just show me your birth certificate,” said Tancredo while appearing on Alan Colmes’ radio show in April.

    Tancredo’s complete remarks attacking President Obama at the nativist hate-fest rally in Phoenix:
    “I used to think, I used to believe that the greatest threat we ever had to this country — I remember when I was a kid, it used to be Russia with the atomic bombs, and after that it was al Qaeda — but there is somebody who is a greater threat to American liberty today than anybody else I can think of. His name is Barack Obama. He does not see the America that you and I see. He looks at a different place. He looks at the America that you and I love, he looks at the America that the Founders put together, and he says, “I don’t like that, I’m going to create something else.” And he says, when his friend, the President of Mexico is here, he says, “We are not defined by borders.” Well maybe he isn’t defined by borders. Citizenship is not important. I can understand why somebody like Barack Obama would say citizenship is not important since he refuses to even produce his own birth certificate!”

    At an April tea party rally in South Carolina, Tancredo whipped up the crowd by saying Obama should be sent back to Kenya. “If his wife says Kenya is his homeland, why don’t we just send him back?

    That’s what Sarah Palin is endorsing. Good to know.

    Now, if she ever does leave her Fox News media bubble during her presidential primary campaign, her opponents can demand that she “refudiate” the lunatic birther conspiracy theory supported by Tancredo.

    http://chattahbox.com/us/2010/11/02/sarah-palin-endorses-nativist-birther-tancredo-for-governor/

  53. avatar
    misha November 2, 2010 at 10:36 pm #

    Majority Will: citizenship is not important since he refuses to even produce his own birth certificate!”

    That’s exactly why Obama should not release anything more. Posting his current, legal certificate just poured gasoline on the fire.

  54. avatar
    Bovril November 2, 2010 at 10:43 pm #

    Oooh goody it’s help the other abled hour with Electra the Freaky, how are your daddy issues working out honey..?

  55. avatar
    Dave November 2, 2010 at 11:12 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: To Dave:No. You don’t have to do that. Sarah Palin (LOL!!!) had an easy answer in her debate with Obama.http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/obama-and-palin-square-off-in-an-intelligence-debateSqueeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Man, I really need to read the gretawire forum more often, because the MSM completely suppressed the fact that Obama and Palin had an imaginary debate about his birth certificate!

    So you think the President has let this turn into a big deal? I mean, the number of people demanding to see this birth certificate, I mean not the birth certificate he already passed around, but some other birth certificate, for reasons only they understand, could be as much as 0.01% of the population — does that qualify as a big deal these days?

  56. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 2, 2010 at 11:18 pm #

    To Dave:

    I could be wrong. I am not good at math. Is 58% bigger than .01%???

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/chris-matthews-the-birthers-are-beating-us-with-logic-video

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  57. avatar
    Dave November 2, 2010 at 11:20 pm #

    Squeeky — thanks for the poem. I have noticed that the birthers are in a big hurry to claim the GOP gains this election as being their own victory, even though they had nothing to do with it. Not to mention, that the GOP refuses to do anything about investigating the President’s eligibility. But I guess the birthers need to borrow the GOP’s successes, since they have none of their own.

  58. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 2, 2010 at 11:26 pm #

    Dave:

    Please continue to underestimate us.

    “The worst thing about the controversy over Obama’s birth certificate is not that millions cling to the issue to make mischief against Obama. Or that some in the media have dignified the controversy by treating it as if it’s a legitimate issue. The worst thing is that few connect the dots and see the birthers as the shock troops to torpedo Obama’s political agenda. That’s not going to change. The birthers sadly are here to stay.”

    http://www.thegrio.com/politics/why-the-birther-movement-refuses-to-die.php

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  59. avatar
    Dave November 2, 2010 at 11:32 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: To Dave:I could be wrong. I am not good at math. Is 58% bigger than .01%???http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/chris-matthews-the-birthers-are-beating-us-with-logic-videoTee Hee! Tee Hee!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Are you a fan of Chris Matthews? Seriously? The guy who said Taitz should be tied to a stake like a witch? You are full of surprises.

    Well, the link you give leads to greatwire, and the link there leads to nowheresville, so I have to guess what Chris Matthews thing you’re talking about. I suspect that it’s a poll that got discussed here a few months back, which the MSM was pushing as “look here, scary birthers everywhere” but the question the poll asked actually had very little to do with birthers.

    If 58% of the population is birthers, then why can’t Taitz raise even half of her $20K sanctions? Why did only 3% of CA registered voters vote for her for SoS? Why did only 3 out of 4700 retired generals speak out in support of Lakin? Why did Dr. Kate lead a march on Washington consisting of 3 people? And Phil Berg lead another march which was maybe as many as 50?

    Yes, 58% is a lot bigger than 0.01%. And 58% is a lot bigger than the number of birthers.

  60. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 2, 2010 at 11:40 pm #

    Dave:

    Both of the links at greatwire worked for me. You have to wait a minute for the Chris Matthews video to load. There is a REAL CUTE 32 second polar bear commercial that is fun to watch. Then the poll link (the pdf one) works too.

    I didn’t say 58% of the population is birthers. 58% have doubts, and the poll tells you the size. So does Chris Matthews.

    If as you say, “58% is a lot bigger than 0.01%,” then it looks to me like you need to change your opinion. Because it would mean that you are very wrong. What do you think???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  61. avatar
    Dave November 3, 2010 at 12:19 am #

    Squeeky — OK, we seem to be talking about the same poll. That’s progress. As I mentioned, Doc wrote an article about it, and I commented giving my reasons why I think the results of this poll have nothing to do with birthers. Most importantly, the poll did not ask if the President was ineligible, or should be removed, or if the the respondent thought the President’s birth place was of any importance whatsoever. The poll established that 42% of respondents were certain the President was born in the US. That is a far cry from 58% being birthers.

  62. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 12:32 am #

    To Dave:

    You don’t have to believe it if you don’t want to. CNN and Chris Matthews are well known Birther-friendly people. I do believe it indicates what it says it does. That a lot of people are just not sure where he was born, to different degrees.

    If Obama and you OBOTS want to ignore it, and brag about court “victories”, that is just fine with me! I like you doing it! If you want to think that there are just a few of us Birthers and we don’t count, that is fine too!

    I hope you convince another 70 or 80 judges not to make Obama cough up his bumpy birth certificate. I hope you put Mr. Lakin in jail, and many others. I hope the next CNN poll is 78%, and that you find you some reasons not to believe it. Because then I will come here and thank you some more!

    But I would almost bet that if Obama gets new OBOTS to help him, he will cough something up if he is really from Hawaii or Conneticut, because it is really pretty stupid not to.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  63. avatar
    Dave November 3, 2010 at 12:49 am #

    Squeeky — thank you for all the nice wishes. I, in turn, hope you can convince the new GOP majority in the House to launch a big Congressional investigation of the President’s eligibility. If you’re right about that 58%, the number of birther voters is a lot bigger than the number of Republican voters, so it should be easy to persuade them to do that. And, as I’m sure you know, they can issue a subpeona for whatever documents they feel are necessary, so you need not rely on these hypothetical newer smarter obots.

  64. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 1:07 am #

    Personally, I hope they don’t do that. In one way, I am happier with having a neutered Obama than a healthy Biden. That also keeps us Birthers relevant until I can change more of us into QUESTIONERS, instead of Birthers.

    Here is my White Paper I wrote:

    New Horizons in Birtherism! (A White Paper from the Birther Think Tank)

    http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/08/new-horizons-in-birtherism-white-paper.html

    I expect to be a busy Squeeky!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  65. avatar
    Daniel November 3, 2010 at 1:22 am #

    SqueekyFromm: Please continue to underestimate us.

    We’ve been trying to underestimate you birthers for more than two years now. Unfortunately it’s hard to underestimate you when your success rate is zero.

  66. avatar
    chufho November 3, 2010 at 1:27 am #

    And oBama loses -cause he thinks wrong and only about hisself
    hesa markist
    and worst

  67. avatar
    misha November 3, 2010 at 1:45 am #

    chufho: hesa markist

    Obama may be a Marxist, but McCain is a space alien.

  68. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 1:51 am #

    Daniel:

    Yes, 65 house seats is only a D+, right?

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  69. avatar
    ellid November 3, 2010 at 7:06 am #

    chufho: And oBama loses -cause he thinks wrong and only about hisself
    hesa markist
    and worst

    Sorry, no speak Esperanto.

  70. avatar
    misha November 3, 2010 at 8:34 am #

    ellid: Sorry, no speak Esperanto.

    You make the joke, no?

  71. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 3, 2010 at 8:45 am #

    SqueekyFromm: Daniel:Yes, 65 house seats is only a D+, right? Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Jennifer I really think you’d been a lot happier if you spent less time focusing on your delusions about Obama and more time patching things up with your father and having a healthier diet.

  72. avatar
    AnotherBird November 3, 2010 at 9:11 am #

    Squeeky,

    All cases had been dismissed without going to trial. All appeals have been denied. Some plaintiffs have been order to pay all the court fees of the defendant. Even at least one lawyer has been fined by the court.

    That is what we could call a big “0”.

    Birthers will always be birthers, and never will be questioners.

  73. avatar
    Bovril November 3, 2010 at 10:13 am #

    Ah but foks you must understand the pathology of poor old Electra the Freaky.

    In his/her/its mind, 71+ losses in court equals a WIN in her mind and apparently being Obotty and pointing out salient facts is a Tee Hee where apparently we are being “beaten like an old carpet”.

    Now delusion is patently Electras default starting position and horrid nasty facts don’t actually mean anything.

    For example her magical 58% number, pulled from actually nowhere. When the ACTUAL numbers were pointed out as variously 11% and 16%, not 58% the response was first mute, a rather pleasant period.

    This was followed by strident screechy repetition that numbers didn’t mean anything, then movement back to utter denial with this magically provided 58% figure suddenly reappearing.

    Again as an exampl of (lack of) facts with Electra, we have a magical 65 house seats swing when the actual numbers again differ, being 61. Not as exaggerated as usual but telling.

    Alas Electra has substantial personal problems with facts and I can only believe these are deeply rooted in her Weltanschauung and Weltschmerz.

  74. avatar
    Scott Brown November 3, 2010 at 10:59 am #

    HellT: They learned the hard way with Clinton that they didn’t go far enough to damage his re-electibility.

    Yes, because it had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Clinton made a move from hard left to the center in terms of policies after the American Public spoke. Obama’s re-election lays squarely in his own hands. I suspect, given his narcissism, ego, and lack of experience, that he will be unable and unwilling to pull off a Clinton; and therefore, HE himself will seal his one-term, not the Republicans.

    And when you say ‘obviously qualified’ – are you referring to the fact that Obama thinks there are 57 states, not including Hawaii – the state he claims to have been born in? ummhhh, uhhh – that’s what I thought.

    US Citizen: None of the birthers want to admit it’s over.

    How exactly is it over? My OPINION that he is not NBC has not changed at all. I suspect none of the others have either. Perhaps it’s wishful thinking on your part.

    misha: Conservatives detest Obama, and they want to give him the Roy Cohn treatment.

    Surely you misspoke and meant to say Conservatives are racially biased against Obama…..

    Patrick McKinnion: They fully expect that the “uppity darkie” in the WHITE House

    There’s the racist remarks! I knew they would eventually be thrown around.

    misha: Obama may be a Marxist, but McCain is a space alien.

    I think you would be hard pressed to find any opposition to that statement!

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Jennifer I really think you’d been a lot happier if you spent less time focusing on your delusions about Obama and more time patching things up with your father and having a healthier diet.

    Oh, surely you can come up with something better than a personal attack! I’ve seen and read your posts; you usually have pretty good insight and very readable posts – I’m disappointed that you resorted to an Alinksy style of argument here. tisk tisk

    At least the Doc is smart enough to know there ain’t nothing being put to rest. I don’t think it will go any further than it already has either though. Those that question, will still question.

  75. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 11:01 am #

    To Bovilexia and the Rest of you Obots:

    OH, the humanity! You Poor Obots STILL don’t get it! If Obama can’t handle a $10 document problem, how can you handle anything else??? That “imaginary” CNN poll I keep bringing up tells the story. Who were the people who most believe Obama is a Kenyan??? The Republicans, duh! 41% who definitely and probably think he was born somewhere else!!! Even 30% of the Indies!

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/08/04/rel10k1a.pdf

    I bet Obama will hire some new Obots who can figure this out, and then we will see a bumpy birth certificate in PUBLIC if he is American after all. Because like I have repeatedly explained to you, people who believe this will be very motivated to vote and will crawl naked on their hands and knees through broken glass and snakes to vote!

    BUT, you old Obots will talk among yourselves and convince yourselves that OH NO!, This just couldn’t be it. It just couldn’t be those crazy Birthers and this crazy $10 document problem that just CLOBBERED US!!! OH NO, you will think if you keep winning in court, that reality isn’t true. You will convince yourselves that the poll doesn’t mean what the poll means.You will just not be able to understand that it is you who just don’t get it.

    Soooo, what if I am right and new Obots tell Obama to start being smart instead of TOTALLY STUPID, and cough it up. What are you going to say then??? What if it is newer model Obots who tell you instead of me.Huh??? What if Obama himself comes out and coughs it up? What will you say then?

    I bet NOT, “Squeeky, you were right! Us Obots were totally wrong!”

    So there!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  76. avatar
    Dave November 3, 2010 at 11:01 am #

    SqueekyFromm: Daniel:Yes, 65 house seats is only a D+, right?
    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Did the birthers win 65 House seats? And I thought it was the GOP that won those seats! I must be listening to the wrong news station.

  77. avatar
    Daniel November 3, 2010 at 11:10 am #

    SqueekyFromm: Daniel:Yes, 65 house seats is only a D+, right?
    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Republican wins in the is not a birther win.

    Rebublicans, like every sane group, have unanimously rejected birtherism, for all practical purposes. If anything, Republican wins yesterday is a loss for birthers, because now that Republicans have to actually take responsibility, they are going to be even less likely to flirt with the birther fringe.

  78. avatar
    Daniel November 3, 2010 at 11:18 am #

    SqueekyFromm: What if Obama himself comes out and coughs it up? What will you say then?

    Will that include the President driving out to your house to show you the BC personally?

    Or have you abandoned that particular delusion?

  79. avatar
    Majority Will November 3, 2010 at 11:20 am #

    Scott Brown: And when you say obviously qualified’ – are you referring to the fact that Obama thinks there are 57 states, not including Hawaii – the state he claims to have been born in? ummhhh, uhhh – that’s what I thought.

    You’re a troll and not a very bright one at that.

    Politicians never misspeak? Really? Are that $%^&ing stupid?

    “I’m telling you there’s an enemy that would like to attack America, Americans, again. There just is. That’s the reality of the world. And I wish him all the very best.” –George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009

    Does the above quote mean George openly supports terrorists and attacks on America?

    You’re the literal genius. Explain. Ummhhh, uhhh – that’s what I thought.

    Birther lunatic.

    “My OPINION that he is not NBC has not changed at all.”

    YOUR OPINION IS IRRELEVANT.

    Your petulance and inability to grasp U.S. law is completely inconsequential in the real world.

    Having said that, reading your drivel is mildly amusing in a circus freak show way.

  80. avatar
    JoZeppy November 3, 2010 at 11:32 am #

    SqueekyFromm: To Bovilexia and the Rest of you Obots:OH, the humanity! You Poor Obots STILL don’t get it! If Obama can’t handle a $10 document problem, how can you handle anything else??? That “imaginary” CNN poll I keep bringing up tells the story. Who were the people who most believe Obama is a Kenyan??? The Republicans, duh! 41% who definitely and probably think he was born somewhere else!!! Even 30% of the Indies!http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/08/04/rel10k1a.pdfI bet Obama will hire some new Obots who can figure this out, and then we will see a bumpy birth certificate in PUBLIC if he is American after all. Because like I have repeatedly explained to you, people who believe this will be very motivated to vote and will crawl naked on their hands and knees through broken glass and snakes to vote!BUT, you old Obots will talk among yourselves and convince yourselves that OH NO!, This just couldn’t be it. It just couldn’t be those crazy Birthers and this crazy $10 document problem that just CLOBBERED US!!! OH NO, you will think if you keep winning in court, that reality isn’t true. You will convince yourselves that the poll doesn’t mean what the poll means.You will just not be able to understand that it is you who just don’t get it. Soooo, what if I am right and new Obots tell Obama to start being smart instead of TOTALLY STUPID, and cough it up. What are you going to say then??? What if it is newer model Obots who tell you instead of me.Huh??? What if Obama himself comes out and coughs it up? What will you say then?I bet NOT, “Squeeky, you were right! Us Obots were totally wrong!”So there!!!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Let me open with a personal attack…the level of stupid in this post just excells on so many levels. You should be proud.

    Now to the details. The poll has 70% of all Americans, which includes nearly 70% of Indpendants saying that Obama is probably or certainly born i the US. That leaves 30% with doubts. That leaves an absolute max of 30% birthers. The fact that most people who think Obama is born in Kenya just proves he should be paying no attention to the issue. Why waste his time pandering to people who will never vote for him, and probably can never be convinced anyway?

    Equally moronic is how you tie the losses in yesterday’s election with birthers. You might have a point if that was something anyone considered in voting Republican, but of course, there is nothing there. Top issues were jobs, the deficit, health care, taxes, energy, and the environment, in that order. Funny, not one mention of a birth certificate. Show me a single candidate who ran and won on the issue of Obama’s birth certificate. There is a reason why it rarely came up during the election. Republicans know it will make them look looney, and they will lose indpendent voters. I can assure you, even if the President released every document on WND’s list, it would have made no difference in yesterday’s election (or birther’s acceptance of the President, they would just switch to the de Vattel b.s.).

    The long and short of it is, Squeeky, you’re still an idiot.

  81. avatar
    Rickey November 3, 2010 at 11:44 am #

    Scott Brown:
    Yes, because it had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Clinton made a move from hard left to the center in terms of policies after the American Public spoke.

    Clinton was never “hard left.” In fact, his economic plan, announced in February, 1993, was focused primarily on reducing the Federal deficit. Conservatives should have been pleased by that, but of course the far right constantly complains about the deficit but never actually wants to do anything about it.

    the fact that Obama thinks there are 57 states

    Please. Obama was telling reporters that he had been to 47 states and had one to go because he staff saw no point in him going to Alaska and Hawaii. It is clear that he meant to say “47” when he misspoke and said “57.” How about coming up with something substantive for a change?

    Those that question, will still question.

    Question away. it will get you nowhere, and Obama will still be the President.

  82. avatar
    Majority Will November 3, 2010 at 12:03 pm #

    Rickey: Please. Obama was telling reporters that he had been to 47 states and had one to go because he staff saw no point in him going to Alaska and Hawaii. It is clear that he meant to say “47‘ when he misspoke and said “57.” How about coming up with something substantive for a change?

    But some birthers, being deranged, idiotic bigots, immediately jumped to the conclusion that the President was referring to Islamic states.

    Birtherism is a sign of mental illness.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp

    “Am I doing this again? For the senior staff? My memory is not as good as Chief Justice Roberts’.”— Joe Biden mocking Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts’ botched effort to swear in Barack Obama as Biden was set to swear in White House senior staff one day after the Inauguration snafu (the president did not look pleased), Washington, D.C., Jan. 21, 2009

    “Welcome to President Bush, Mrs. Bush, and my fellow astronauts.” – James Danforth “Dan” Quayle

    “Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don’t know we don’t know.”
    – Donald Rumsfeld

    “Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” – George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

  83. avatar
    Rickey November 3, 2010 at 12:09 pm #

    “Too many OB-GYNs aren’t able to practice their love with women all across this country.” – George W. Bush, September 6, 2004

  84. avatar
    Bovril November 3, 2010 at 12:15 pm #

    Now, Electra the Freaky,

    We are all more than aware that your have horrible problems with numbers, how you balance a check book is beyond us all.

    Your “poll” has an 11% and a 16% with doubts about the birthplace of the President, in the real world that comes to a maximum of 27%.

    27 does not equal 58

    Simple enough even for the like of you.

    Now, go off and play with your mentally chalenged friends over at Gretawire, adults are talking here….shoo.

  85. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 3, 2010 at 12:16 pm #

    Scott Brown: Yes, because it had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Clinton made a move from hard left to the center in terms of policies after the American Public spoke. Obama’s re-election lays squarely in his own hands. I suspect, given his narcissism, ego, and lack of experience, that he will be unable and unwilling to pull off a Clinton; and therefore, HE himself will seal his one-term, not the Republicans.And when you say obviously qualified’ – are you referring to the fact that Obama thinks there are 57 states, not including Hawaii – the state he claims to have been born in? ummhhh, uhhh – that’s what I thought.How exactly is it over? My OPINION that he is not NBC has not changed at all. I suspect none of the others have either. Perhaps it’s wishful thinking on your part.Surely you misspoke and meant to say Conservatives are racially biased against Obama…..There’s the racist remarks! I knew they would eventually be thrown around. I think you would be hard pressed to find any opposition to that statement!Oh, surely you can come up with something better than a personal attack! I’ve seen and read your posts; you usually have pretty good insight and very readable posts – I’m disappointed that you resorted to an Alinksy style of argument here. tisk tiskAt least the Doc is smart enough to know there ain’t nothing being put to rest. I don’t think it will go any further than it already has either though. Those that question, will still question.

    Sally Hill quit your whining. I’ve gone through your various posts over the years and how conveniently you switched positions from being a full on birther to someone claiming the dual citizenship BS even after its been refuted. You whine incessantly about how others put you down but I seem to remember how things were like when you first came here and started insulting people. So you have nowhere to speak from. You have ran away from here multiple times saying you wont come back only to come back and spew your same old discredited fecal matter.

    Clinton was never far left. He governed from the center from the moment he entered office. As for Alinsky tactics. I’ll ask you again since last time I asked you you refused to answer. You constantly throw around Alinsky but what were the tenets he wrote about and how do they apply to what I’ve said about Squeeky? Squeeky obviously has daddy issues and when asked about it she had a freakout and a meltdown in the past.

    Obama and the 57 states was obviously him being exhausted and misspeaking. At the time he had gone through 57 contests including caucases. So yeah it was a simple mistake. Of course those things never matter to you Sally Hill because you are a bomb thrower. You come in here throwing your crap out and then run away for a while after you get smacked up.

  86. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 3, 2010 at 12:18 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: To Bovilexia and the Rest of you Obots:OH, the humanity! You Poor Obots STILL don’t get it! If Obama can’t handle a $10 document problem, how can you handle anything else??? That “imaginary” CNN poll I keep bringing up tells the story. Who were the people who most believe Obama is a Kenyan??? The Republicans, duh! 41% who definitely and probably think he was born somewhere else!!! Even 30% of the Indies!http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/08/04/rel10k1a.pdfI bet Obama will hire some new Obots who can figure this out, and then we will see a bumpy birth certificate in PUBLIC if he is American after all. Because like I have repeatedly explained to you, people who believe this will be very motivated to vote and will crawl naked on their hands and knees through broken glass and snakes to vote!BUT, you old Obots will talk among yourselves and convince yourselves that OH NO!, This just couldn’t be it. It just couldn’t be those crazy Birthers and this crazy $10 document problem that just CLOBBERED US!!! OH NO, you will think if you keep winning in court, that reality isn’t true. You will convince yourselves that the poll doesn’t mean what the poll means.You will just not be able to understand that it is you who just don’t get it. Soooo, what if I am right and new Obots tell Obama to start being smart instead of TOTALLY STUPID, and cough it up. What are you going to say then??? What if it is newer model Obots who tell you instead of me.Huh??? What if Obama himself comes out and coughs it up? What will you say then?I bet NOT, “Squeeky, you were right! Us Obots were totally wrong!”So there!!!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Jennifer you’ve made it clear already that you wouldn’t accept any document that came from the government as proof because as you say politicians lie. So what’s the point on spending money to give you a document he’s already shown to you and wouldn’t change him being born in Honolulu, Hawaii. This is just another if you give a mouse a cookie things where birthers will keep asking and then if they ever get it which they have no right to it, they’ll continue saying its fake. You’re losing Jennifer you continue to lose you’ll never get what you want. You’d have an easier time fixing things with your dad.

  87. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 3, 2010 at 12:22 pm #

    Majority Will: You’re a troll and not a very bright one at that.Politicians never misspeak? Really? Are that $%^&ing stupid?“I’m telling you there’s an enemy that would like to attack America, Americans, again. There just is. That’s the reality of the world. And I wish him all the very best.” –George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009Does the above quote mean George openly supports terrorists and attacks on America?You’re the literal genius. Explain. Ummhhh, uhhh – that’s what I thought.Birther lunatic.“My OPINION that he is not NBC has not changed at all.”YOUR OPINION IS IRRELEVANT.Your petulance and inability to grasp U.S. law is completely inconsequential in the real world.Having said that, reading your drivel is mildly amusing in a circus freak show way.

    According to Sally Hill George Bush intentionally harmed us: “Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people and neither do we”

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 3, 2010 at 12:23 pm #

    Rickey: Clinton was never “hard left.” In fact, his economic plan, announced in February, 1993, was focused primarily on reducing the Federal deficit. Conservatives should have been pleased by that, but of course the far right constantly complains about the deficit but never actually wants to do anything about it. the fact that Obama thinks there are 57 statesPlease. Obama was telling reporters that he had been to 47 states and had one to go because he staff saw no point in him going to Alaska and Hawaii. It is clear that he meant to say “47‘ when he misspoke and said “57.” How about coming up with something substantive for a change?Those that question, will still question.Question away. it will get you nowhere, and Obama will still be the President.

    Clinton’s deficit reduction act shows how partisan Republicans are since none of them voted for it back then.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 3, 2010 at 12:26 pm #

    Rickey: “Too many OB-GYNs aren’t able to practice their love with women all across this country.” – George W. Bush, September 6, 2004

    Bush/Kerry Presidential Debate
    “You know, it’s hard work to try to love her as best as I can, knowing full well that the decision I made caused her loved one to be in harm’s way. I told her after we prayed and teared up and laughed some that I thought her husband’s sacrifice was noble and worthy.”

    So I guess this means President Bush was sending husbands off to die so he could bed their wives.

  90. avatar
    Dave November 3, 2010 at 12:36 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: I bet Obama will hire some new Obots who can figure this out, and then we will see a bumpy birth certificate in PUBLIC if he is American after all.

    Well, Squeeky, you’re right again. Not only did the President decide it was time to release his birth certificate, he even sent his obots back in a time machine to release it two years ago. Here it is, in PUBLIC, bumps and all.

    It turns out he was born in Hawaii. Who knew?

  91. avatar
    Majority Will November 3, 2010 at 12:38 pm #

    Dave: It turns out he was born in Hawaii. Who knew?

    People with a brain.

  92. avatar
    Jules November 3, 2010 at 12:40 pm #

    Rickey: Clinton was never “hard left.” In fact, his economic plan, announced in February, 1993, was focused primarily on reducing the Federal deficit. Conservatives should have been pleased by that, but of course the far right constantly complains about the deficit but never actually wants to do anything about it.

    I would go further and say that Obama’s ambitions have been tampered by fiscal conservatism more than Clinton’s or Bush’s. The Democratic health insurance reform plan was to the right of the plan that Clinton proposed and incorporated substantial elements of the Republican proposals that were introduced in opposition to “Hillarycare”. Additionally, healthcare reform was enacted subject to measures designed to ensure that reforms would lead to a slight reduction in the budget deficit. Bush saw fit to introduce the Medicare prescription drug benefit in a form that would increase the deficit substantially.

    The main programmes that increased the deficit were TARP and the stimulus. Both of these were one-off programmes rather than entitlements that will continue for many years to come. TARP was, of course, a programme passed during the Bush administration. The stimulus was smaller than most economists considered necessary and a third of it consisted of tax cuts rather than spending.

  93. avatar
    Lupin November 3, 2010 at 12:49 pm #

    I don’t particularly care if someone likes or dislikes Obama, Clinton, etc. Opinions are fine. But to say that Clinton was “hard left” is ridiculous.

    Richard Nixon was to the left of Bill Clinton.

  94. avatar
    Majority Will November 3, 2010 at 12:54 pm #

    Rickey: “Too many OB-GYNs aren’t able to practice their love with women all across this country.” – George W. Bush, September 6, 2004

    “It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.”
    – Ronald Reagan

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    Majority Will November 3, 2010 at 12:55 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): As for Alinsky tactics. I’ll ask you again since last time I asked you you refused to answer. You constantly throw around Alinsky but what were the tenets he wrote about and how do they apply to what I’ve said about Squeeky?

    It’s a fright wing squawking point. I seriously doubt she understands much of anything.

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    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 1:26 pm #

    OMG you Obots are stuck in a mental rut! You simply see what you want to see. The word “probably” means “with considerable certainty; without much doubt; ”

    Sooo, it would be one thing to say the sun is probably going to come up tomorrow. Out of context that statement is reasonable and no one wold think twice about it. BUT and here is when BUT is very important, what if somebody had the choice of “probably” and “definitely” the sun is going to come up tomorrow. LIKE IN THE POLL!!! (PS: “definitely” means ” Free from any doubt.”)

    If someone said “probably” then, with that choice, you have to look at the CONTEXT! Which is “big picture” and not something you Obots are very good at. Now, if you had a choice between probably and definitely, then “probably” is MORE INDICATIVE of doubt.

    Sooo here, if you just priss along like merry little Obots and lump probably and definitely into the same pot, you are mis-reading the impact of the poll. That is why Chris Matthews was soooo MAD! In that video, you can see he read it the smart way. 58% of people were not sure rather than the wrong way you are reading it that 70% don’t have any doubts.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697//vp/38565232#38565232

    How did you Obots ever get along without me???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    JoZeppy November 3, 2010 at 1:30 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: OMG you Obots are stuck in a mental rut! You simply see what you want to see. The word “probably” means “with considerable certainty; without much doubt; ”Sooo, it would be one thing to say the sun is probably going to come up tomorrow. Out of context that statement is reasonable and no one wold think twice about it. BUT and here is when BUT is very important, what if somebody had the choice of “probably” and “definitely” the sun is going to come up tomorrow. LIKE IN THE POLL!!! (PS: “definitely” means ” Free from any doubt.”)If someone said “probably” then, with that choice, you have to look at the CONTEXT! Which is “big picture” and not something you Obots are very good at. Now, if you had a choice between probably and definitely, then “probably” is MORE INDICATIVE of doubt.Sooo here, if you just priss along like merry little Obots and lump probably and definitely into the same pot, you are mis-reading the impact of the poll. That is why Chris Matthews was soooo MAD! In that video, you can see he read it the smart way. 58% of people were not sure rather than the wrong way you are reading it that 70% don’t have any doubts.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697//vp/38565232#38565232How did you Obots ever get along without me???Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    I think we would get along fine….there are plenty of birther idiots talking in circles to get by.

    Keep pretending you birthers are anything but a fringe conspiracy group…

  98. avatar
    Daniel November 3, 2010 at 2:18 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: OMG you Obots are stuck in a mental rut! You simply see what you want to see.

    And the Irony meter goes OFF THE SCALE!!!!

    So you insist that the President is not eligible, even though he’s been certified by congress, as per the constitution; even though you’ve tried in court over 70 times in court, and failed miserably every single time; even though you have no objective evidence, and every bit of objective evidence that exists refutes you; even though the Republican party, whom you somehow believe will serve your objective, disowns you completely…..

    And WE are stuck in a mental rut?

    WE are the one’s who only see what we want to see?

    I feel so sad for you Squeeky…. so very, very sad.

  99. avatar
    Bovril November 3, 2010 at 3:26 pm #

    Electra the Freaky

    27 does not equal 58, what part of that don’t you understand?

  100. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 3:31 pm #

    To Bovilexia:

    Maybe I am wrong? Why don’t you call or email Chris Matthews and see why he says what I do. I bet he will be soooo happy when you set him straight!

    Seriously, I am sorry you are so stuck in your Obot rut you can’t read and understand things. I thought we were making progress with you in Obot Group Therapy.

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/obot-group-therapy-session-with-dr-squeeky-fromm-week-6-meeting

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  101. avatar
    misha November 3, 2010 at 3:57 pm #

    Scott Brown: are you referring to the fact that Obama thinks there are 57 states, not including Hawaii

    There ARE 57 primaries. So he said “states” instead.

    He was tired. Campaigning is grueling, and I don’t know how someone that age does it at all.

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    ellid November 3, 2010 at 3:59 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: To Bovilexia:Maybe I am wrong? Why don’t you call or email Chris Matthews and see why he says what I do. I bet he will be soooo happy when you set him straight!
    Seriously, I am sorry you are so stuck in your Obot rut you can’t read and understand things. I thought we were making progress with you in Obot Group Therapy.http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/obot-group-therapy-session-with-dr-squeeky-fromm-week-6-meetingTee Hee! Tee Hee!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Pathetic and disgusting.

  103. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 3, 2010 at 4:03 pm #

    Doc, why are you allowing this troll who just posts nonsense totally devoid of facts and calls people here names to continue this BS?

  104. avatar
    Bovril November 3, 2010 at 4:09 pm #

    Electra the Freaky,

    The discussion is why YOU can’t grasp that 27% is not 58%?

    I personally couldn’t care less about Chris Matthews, it’s your stupendous FAIL that is at issue.

  105. avatar
    Daniel November 3, 2010 at 4:09 pm #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP: Doc, why are you allowing this troll who just posts nonsense totally devoid of facts and calls people here names to continue this BS?

    Oh c’mon….

    Laughing at Squeeky’s abject foolishness and willful ignorance is one of the few amusements I have left at my age.

  106. avatar
    Bovril November 3, 2010 at 4:12 pm #

    She does consume bandwidth but serves at a perfect example of Mother Natures’ admonshment that the closely related should not mate.

  107. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 3, 2010 at 4:14 pm #

    Bovril: Electra the Freaky,The discussion is why YOU can’t grasp that 27% is not 58%?
    I personally couldn’t care less about Chris Matthews, it’s your stupendous FAIL that is at issue.

    That’s right, Bovril. Those who are delusional about this issue are the ones who say that he probably wasn’t born in the US, not those who say that he probably was; the latter aren’t the ones who have been whining about this for more than two years. it’s the 11% who say that he wasn’t plus the 16& who say he probably wasn’t, and that comes out to 27%, not 58%. I guess someone needs to take a basic math course if they can’t add those two numbers correctly

  108. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 3, 2010 at 4:15 pm #

    The link for that info

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/08/04/rel10k1a.pdf

  109. avatar
    Bovril November 3, 2010 at 4:15 pm #

    The most worrying part of the poll was the 2% who couldn’t answer…..!

  110. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 3, 2010 at 4:16 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: To Bovilexia:Maybe I am wrong? Why don’t you call or email Chris Matthews and see why he says what I do. I bet he will be soooo happy when you set him straight! Seriously, I am sorry you are so stuck in your Obot rut you can’t read and understand things. I thought we were making progress with you in Obot Group Therapy.http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/obot-group-therapy-session-with-dr-squeeky-fromm-week-6-meetingTee Hee! Tee Hee!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Chris Matthews says almost as equally dumb things as you do. So why do you think Chris Matthews has any sort of authority? He makes fun of you guys

  111. avatar
    Bovril November 3, 2010 at 4:22 pm #

    Oh, Classic RWNJ and Birfoon madness -ver at GW

    Voters ban judges from using international law
    November 2, 2010

    OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — Oklahoma voters have approved a measure that would forbid judges from considering international law or Islamic law when deciding cases.

    Republican Rex Duncan, the sponsor of the measure, called it a “pre-emptive strike” designed to close the door on activist judges “legislating from the bench or using international law or Sharia law.”

    Members of the Muslim community called the question an attack on Islam and some of them said they are prepared to file a lawsuit challenging the measure.

    My question over there AND IT RELATES…8-) is,

    Would that be “international law” like “The Law of Nations” by De-Vatell that Birfoons swear blind forms the basis of the Constitution and President Obama’s alleged non NBC status..?

  112. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 3, 2010 at 4:23 pm #

    Daniel:
    Oh c’mon….Laughing at Squeeky’s abject foolishness and willful ignorance is one of the few amusements I have left at my age.

    Be careful though, Daniel. It’s a 20 dollar fine for feeding their kind. ๐Ÿ™‚

  113. avatar
    Keith November 3, 2010 at 5:11 pm #

    misha: There weren’t 67 votes to convict Clinton, and they still did it.

    But just as they don’t respect SCOTUS to give correct and final interpretation of the Constitution, they won’t respect a Senate comprised of compromised Obots either.

    The 17th Amendment is in their sights along with the 14th and the 16th.

    The Aristocrates!

  114. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 5:39 pm #

    Chris Matthews may call us names, but he takes us seriously. Sooo, I emailed him and maybe he will say something on his television show. Here is what I wrote him:

    ———————————————————

    Dear Mr. Matthews

    Can you do me a favor??? Can you tell the STUPID OBOTS I fight with on the Internet that there really are a lot of us Birthers (which I have re-named QUESTIONERS) and we probably helped beat Obama really bad yesterday.

    And, that if Obama had smart people working for him he would have already coughed up a bumpy birth certificate (not a PICTURE) into PUBLIC and shut us all up?

    Because I keep telling them that if he was really born in either Hawaii or Conneticut, then he would have already done this, unless for KISS:

    1. KENYA. He is born in Kenya.
    2. IGNORANT. Obama is too ignorant to think of the simple answer.
    3. SNOBBY. Obama thinks Americans are too stupid to believe the REAL THING!
    4. SLIMY. Obama thinks it is OK to make some Americans look crazy if it gets him votes.

    I have even given them the August 4 or 5 video of you telling about the 58% of us with doubts to some degree and they don’t even believe that.

    Thank you!!!

    Plus, you can reach me at my website, where I have all kinds of good QUESTIONER stuff and art work and poems:

    http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter
    ————————————————————————-

  115. avatar
    Daniel November 3, 2010 at 5:59 pm #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP:
    Be careful though, Daniel. It’s a 20 dollar fine for feeding their kind.

    I’d spend twice that on a night out at the movies, and not laugh half as hard.

  116. avatar
    Daniel November 3, 2010 at 6:01 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: he would have already coughed up a bumpy birth certificate (not a PICTURE) into PUBLIC

    Yup, she’s still under that delusion that Obama needs to drive to her house and actually put his BC into her actual hands.

  117. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 3, 2010 at 6:02 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Chris Matthews may call us names, but he takes us seriously. Sooo, I emailed him and maybe he will say something on his television show. Here is what I wrote him:———————————————————Dear Mr. MatthewsCan you do me a favor??? Can you tell the STUPID OBOTS I fight with on the Internet that there really are a lot of us Birthers (which I have re-named QUESTIONERS) and we probably helped beat Obama really bad yesterday. And, that if Obama had smart people working for him he would have already coughed up a bumpy birth certificate (not a PICTURE) into PUBLIC and shut us all up?Because I keep telling them that if he was really born in either Hawaii or Conneticut, then he would have already done this, unless for KISS:1. KENYA. He is born in Kenya.2. IGNORANT. Obama is too ignorant to think of the simple answer.3. SNOBBY. Obama thinks Americans are too stupid to believe the REAL THING!4. SLIMY. Obama thinks it is OK to make some Americans look crazy if it gets him votes.I have even given them the August 4 or 5 video of you telling about the 58% of us with doubts to some degree and they don’t even believe that.Thank you!!!Plus, you can reach me at my website, where I have all kinds of good QUESTIONER stuff and art work and poems:http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter————————————————————————-

    Chris doesn’t take you seriously that’s why he asks all the tea party candidates if they believe he was born here and when they aren’t sure he ridicules them. You gravely overestimate your own importance.

  118. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 6:05 pm #

    Daniel:

    I watched Chris Matthews today and he didn’t say anything yet. Maybe he will tomorrow. I put out a “SILENCE THE OPPOSITION ALERT!!!” on Fut at greatwire, so everybody will know how he is trying to SILENCE THE OPPOSITION.

    But I didn’t tell them where he was trying to do it, but FUT is really mad at me now. I get on his nerves a lot at greatwire and he doesn’t handle it well

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  119. avatar
    Daniel November 3, 2010 at 6:06 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Birthers (which I have re-named QUESTIONERS)

    Why don’t you re-name yourselves a macaroni and cheese dinner?

    It’s rolls off the tongue better than “questioners” and is just as accurate, by way of description.

    Of course it’s not going to make any difference outside of your own little mind. The rest of the world will still call you “birthers” (with soft giggles included) until history forgets you entirely.

  120. avatar
    Daniel November 3, 2010 at 6:06 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: I watched Chris Matthews today and he didn’t say anything yet.

    It’s so very sad that you even think he will….

  121. avatar
    BatGuano November 3, 2010 at 6:08 pm #

    SqueekyFromm …unless for KISS:————————————————————————-

    Knights In Satan’s Service ???

  122. avatar
    Daniel November 3, 2010 at 6:10 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: so everybody will know how he is trying to SILENCE THE OPPOSITION.

    An accurate phrase would be “he is trying to DERIDE THE LUNATIC FRINGE”

    You are not an opposition. An opposition has to have some position that is in some way based on reality, and enough numbers to manage more than a couple dozen at a rally.

    You are a fringe element, composed of the deluded and the insane, not an opposition.

  123. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 3, 2010 at 6:12 pm #

    I don’t get mad at you morons. I laugh at you, especially when you bump my posts up to the top with your delusional drivel. lmao

  124. avatar
    BatGuano November 3, 2010 at 6:26 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Can you tell the STUPID OBOTS I fight with on the Internet that there really are a lot of us Birthers…

    does phil berg know this ?

  125. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 6:29 pm #

    To Bat Guano:

    No. KISS is how I remember the possible reasons why Obama doesn’t cough up the bumpy birth certificate into PUBLIC, or hasn’t done anything for OVER TWO YEARS!

    1. KENYA. He is born in Kenya.
    2. IGNORANT. Obama is too ignorant to think of the simple answer.
    3. SNOBBY. Obama thinks Americans are too stupid to believe the REAL THING!
    4. SLIMY. Obama thinks it is OK to make some Americans look crazy if it gets him votes.

    The whole point is there is no GOOD reason for him not to do it, and only BAD reasons, none of which make him a good president.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  126. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 3, 2010 at 6:31 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: To Bat Guano:No. KISS is how I remember the possible reasons why Obama doesn’t cough up the bumpy birth certificate into PUBLIC, or hasn’t done anything for OVER TWO YEARS!1. KENYA. He is born in Kenya.2. IGNORANT. Obama is too ignorant to think of the simple answer.3. SNOBBY. Obama thinks Americans are too stupid to believe the REAL THING!4. SLIMY. Obama thinks it is OK to make some Americans look crazy if it gets him votes.The whole point is there is no GOOD reason for him not to do it, and only BAD reasons, none of which make him a good president.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    You’ve already stated you wouldn’t accept anything the states provides in regards to his birth certificate so why do you continue pretending that he could do anything to make you less crazy. The only thing you can do is follow your psychiatrist’s advice, take your pills and come to terms with your daddy issues

  127. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 3, 2010 at 7:33 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: there really are a lot of us Birthers

    There appear to be a lot of folks who think Obama is a Muslim/was born in Kenya (birthers) but not very many “birther activists” as evidenced by their inability to get more than a couple dozen folks to show up at a rally in DC.

  128. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 7:46 pm #

    Hi Dr. C!

    Maybe all the Birthers were busy doing early voting??? And if not, I still don’t think you can measure us by who shows up at a rally, because us QUESTIONERS know everybody thinks we are crazy. So why would we go to a rally where it makes us look crazy?

    That is like you OBOTS who think sooo many TP’ers and QUESTIONERS are racists. Which I get from a lot of the comments on other threads. But throw a KKK rally and see how many show up. Probably not many. Would that be proof to you that there are no racists there??? Probably not, but that is your question to answer.

    Sooo, being a QUESTIONER just shows up when we vote is what I think. But if anybody thinks not, then they should just tell Obama to ignore that CNN poll. And any others, too. But if he was paying me for advice, I would tell him to cough it up, and REAL FAST!!! (If he is from Hawaii or Conneticut.)

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  129. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 3, 2010 at 8:06 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Hi Dr. C!Maybe all the Birthers were busy doing early voting??? And if not, I still don’t think you can measure us by who shows up at a rally, because us QUESTIONERS know everybody thinks we are crazy. So why would we go to a rally where it makes us look crazy?That is like you OBOTS who think sooo many TP’ers and QUESTIONERS are racists. Which I get from a lot of the comments on other threads. But throw a KKK rally and see how many show up. Probably not many. Would that be proof to you that there are no racists there??? Probably not, but that is your question to answer.Sooo, being a QUESTIONER just shows up when we vote is what I think. But if anybody thinks not, then they should just tell Obama to ignore that CNN poll. And any others, too. But if he was paying me for advice, I would tell him to cough it up, and REAL FAST!!! (If he is from Hawaii or Conneticut.) Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    TP’ers? Whose house got toiler papered this year? Yeah you birthers are like Waldo you’re all over the place and yet nowhere. Throw a KKK rally and I’m sure you’re bound to get quite a bit of birthers because they believe as you do in regards to citizenship.

  130. avatar
    JoZeppy November 3, 2010 at 8:24 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Hi Dr. C!Maybe all the Birthers were busy doing early voting??? And if not, I still don’t think you can measure us by who shows up at a rally, because us QUESTIONERS know everybody thinks we are crazy. So why would we go to a rally where it makes us look crazy?That is like you OBOTS who think sooo many TP’ers and QUESTIONERS are racists. Which I get from a lot of the comments on other threads. But throw a KKK rally and see how many show up. Probably not many. Would that be proof to you that there are no racists there??? Probably not, but that is your question to answer.Sooo, being a QUESTIONER just shows up when we vote is what I think. But if anybody thinks not, then they should just tell Obama to ignore that CNN poll. And any others, too. But if he was paying me for advice, I would tell him to cough it up, and REAL FAST!!! (If he is from Hawaii or Conneticut.) Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Sure….keep telling yourself that. But I guess if you’re able to convince yourself that there is any doubt about where he was born, I suppose you can convince yourself there’s a birther conpiracy to hide from the public.

  131. avatar
    JoZeppy November 3, 2010 at 8:28 pm #

    Sadly Squeeky, you schtick isn’t even that good. You should take hints from Sven. At least he comes up with totally over the edge bither conspiracies. Just being a simple minded air-headed birther just doesn’t compete around here.

  132. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 3, 2010 at 8:31 pm #

    Gee, looks like everyone thinks Squiggy is an idiot. That’s not the way she tells it

  133. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 9:37 pm #

    Fut:

    What do people at greatwire think about you???Do people here know how you behave at greatwire? I bet you would be very embarrassed if they knew how you acted at other places. I think maybe everybody here should go to greatwire and lookit how you try to tear up the whole forum. It doesn’t speak very well for OBOT intelligence when you are the face of OBOTS. No wonder you don’t get much respect. .

    JoZeppy:

    AIRHEAD??? All you able to do is call people names. The really simple-minded people are those who spend OVER TWO YEARS trying to fight showing a real copy of something that everybody has supposedly already seen. And then, when they get shown a CNN poll, sit around in some sort of inbred circle activity convincing themselves that it really isn’t true while their hero gets his head handed to him in mid term elections. Talk about CLUELESS!

    Like I said in my poem above, with OBOTS as friends, Obama doesn’t need enemies.

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  134. avatar
    Bovril November 3, 2010 at 10:00 pm #

    Poor Electra the Freaky

    In addition to methematical failure, short term memory issues as well,,,,so sad,,,It’s GRETAWIRE not GREATWIRE

    Now remember Freaky,,,27 is not 58 and calling you an airhead is a grave offence to the airheads of this world

  135. avatar
    Majority Will November 3, 2010 at 10:07 pm #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP: Gee, looks like everyone thinks Squiggy is an idiot. That’s not the way she tells it

    I applaud your efforts on Gretawire with the utmost respect.

    Keep up the great work trashing the un-American birther scum. Those psychotic trolls are truly idiots.

  136. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 10:12 pm #

    Bovilexia:

    Are you brain dead, too? Like FUT? What if it was only 27 %? It wasn’t. The poll is pretty clear, and I find it amazing that you can’t read it. Maybe it is just a OBOT thing. Or more likely you don’t want to understand what it says because then you would have to deal with REALITY.

    But, let’s pretend you are right. Has it ever occurred to you that even 27% is pretty bad, and that if it was something that a $10 document might fix, you ought to do it? Some of the doubters were INDIES, so what earthly reason would there be not to try to salvage them??

    If something doesn’t hurt you,l and may help you, then you do it. What I think is that being an OBOT is really all about you, and not truth, so you really don’t care one bit about doing what is right.

    Poor Obama that he has people like you on his side. I am beginning to feel sorry for him.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  137. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 10:14 pm #

    Majority Will:

    You should be ashamed of yourself. Trying to SILENCE THE OPPOSITION is a bad thing and wrong. if you can’t present your side WITH LOGIC, then you sure can’t tease the Vattle Birthers. You and them are kin folks under the skin.

    Dr. C should be ashamed of you, and Fut.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  138. avatar
    ellid November 3, 2010 at 10:24 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Majority Will:You should be ashamed of yourself. Trying to SILENCE THE OPPOSITION is a bad thing and wrong. if you can’t present your side WITH LOGIC, then you sure can’t tease the Vattle Birthers. You and them are kin folks under the skin.Dr. C should be ashamed of you, and Fut.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    I have seen nothing from you but the ravings of the mentally ill. Either that, or the trolling of a very evil person.

    Not a pretty sight.

  139. avatar
    Daniel November 3, 2010 at 10:31 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: because us QUESTIONERS know everybody thinks we are crazy. So why would we go to a rally where it makes us look crazy?

    you mean you MACARONI AND CHEESE DINNERS

  140. avatar
    Daniel November 3, 2010 at 10:32 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Trying to SILENCE THE OPPOSITION is a bad thing and wrong.

    as has been pointed out to you, the correct phrase is “trying to DERIDE THE LUNATIC FRINGE”

  141. avatar
    Daniel November 3, 2010 at 10:33 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: But if he was paying me for advice,

    If he was paying you for advice, then he really would be too stupid to be President

  142. avatar
    Daniel November 3, 2010 at 10:36 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: What if it was only 27 %? It wasn’t. The poll is pretty clear,

    Yes the poll was pretty clear, and it’s pretty clear you haven’t got the slightest grasp of what it said, or even a basic grasp of simple arithmetic.

    27% is the correct number according to the poll…. sorry if you don’t like that.

  143. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 10:40 pm #

    Daniel:

    Let’s take it slow for you. Read it. What is 27%? Just say the words, then say what the other two things that are 73% are.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  144. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 3, 2010 at 10:48 pm #

    Majority Will:
    I applaud your efforts on Gretawire with the utmost respect.
    Keep up the great work trashing the un-American birther scum.Those psychotic trolls are truly idiots.

    lmao. Thanks, Will. I intend to

  145. avatar
    Whatever4 November 3, 2010 at 10:55 pm #

    This used to be such a nice place….

    Here’s a 2009 poll that not only asked if respondents believed Obama was born in the US, but if they thought Hawaii was part of the US.

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/surveys/2009_Archives/PPP_Release_National_819513.pdf

    62% said he was born in the US (14% not sure); 6% said Hawaii wasn’t part of the US, 4% weren’t sure if Hawaii was part of the US.

    Where did people think he was born? 10% said Indonesia, 7% Kenya, 1% Phillipines. The rest weren’t sure of anything, including if he was born in France.

    Those numbers tell me that the 25% who said Obama wasn’t born in the US aren’t hard-core birthers. I mean, Indonesia?

  146. avatar
    Daniel November 3, 2010 at 10:55 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Daniel:Let’s take it slow for you. Read it. What is 27%? Just say the words, then say what the other two things that are 73% are.
    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    I’m glad you want to take it slow, Squeeky. Perhaps that way you’ll actually listen to the answers to your questions, even it’s already been explained to you many, many times.

    27% is made up of the 11% and 16% who have any degree of doubts about the President’s birthplace. 11 plus 16 equals 27. If that’s to hard for you to do in your head, then please feel free to use a calculator.

    Still, I have serious doubts as to whether you’ll grasp it even now. I see you’re still clinging to the delusion that Obama has to drive to your house and show you his BC in person for it to be valid.

    Still, if you think it will help at all, I could try to type slower, and use smaller words.

  147. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 11:20 pm #

    Daniel:

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/08/04/rel10k1a.pdf

    Lookit, 29% say “probably born in U.S.” and 42% “definitely born in U.S.” —Do you see that. Now look at above what I said when I discussed “probably” and “definitely”:
    ————————————————————————

    OMG you Obots are stuck in a mental rut! You simply see what you want to see. The word “probably” means “with considerable certainty; without much doubt; ”

    Sooo, it would be one thing to say the sun is probably going to come up tomorrow. Out of context that statement is reasonable and no one would think twice about it. BUT and here is when BUT is very important, what if somebody had the choice of “probably” and “definitely” the sun is going to come up tomorrow. LIKE IN THE POLL!!! (PS: “definitely” means ” Free from any doubt.”)

    If someone said “probably” then, with that choice, you have to look at the CONTEXT! Which is “big picture” and not something you Obots are very good at. Now, if you had a choice between probably and definitely, then “probably” is MORE INDICATIVE of doubt.

    Sooo here, if you just priss along like merry little Obots and lump probably and definitely into the same pot, you are mis-reading the impact of the poll. That is why Chris Matthews was soooo MAD! In that video, you can see he read it the smart way. 58% of people were not sure rather than the wrong way you are reading it that 70% don’t have any doubts.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697//vp/38565232#38565232

    How did you Obots ever get along without me???

    —————————————————————————————————

    Remember that part? So what is 100% minus 42%??? SURPRISE! Its 58%.

    Now like I discussed, you COULD look at it your way. You COULD look at it my way. There is no absolute rule about which is best. It is a matter of opinion. BUT, as I pointed out to you, Chris Matthews, who is certainly NOT a Birther, looks at it my way. That 58% have some sort of doubt about where Obama was born.

    But you are free to see it as 27% with 42%+29% =71% (Thank God there are No fractions!) who think Obama was probably or for sure born here.

    But like I said, even if it is just 27%, that is a bunch, and not something that a sensible President would like, particularly since that is all Americans, not just republicans.

    What confuses me is this. If I was a OBOT, and Obama and the Democratic party just got this big smackdown, I think I would be more open-minded about stuff that could have caused it.

    BUT, you OBOTS seem more interested in staying in your comfortable mental rut. That is strange to me.

    Maybe it is not possible to UNDER-estimate OBOTS??? Oh, I sure hope so!

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  148. avatar
    Bovril November 3, 2010 at 11:23 pm #

    Then there is the whole boring point for Electra the Freaky that the poll didn’t question the respondents if the President was eligible or not based on birthplace

    Now if THAT question is asked I would bet the percentage would plummet still further,

    Oh and Electra dear, 73% would be folks who don’t think he was born elsewhere and in REAL statistics the 16% chunk of your 27% would be non runners as they don’t know one way or the other.

    Oh and try for a LITTLE dignity, running away to GW and saying how you’re beating the wicked Obots when you’re FAIL is documented for the world to see, is really really sad.

  149. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 11:38 pm #

    Bovilexia:

    I have a secret. I was in high school drama and DEBATE! I even got to judge some debates. Sooo, I know when somebody has answered a question and when they have run off! Or dodged stuff. You are a DODGER!!! You call names and stuff like that, but you really don’t answer the questions.

    BUT, like I keep saying, Ignore REALITY all you want! I wonder if Obama would pay me a Million Dollars a month, because I could sure straighten him up! He isn’t getting good advice now, that is for sure. I am not confused as to whether 27% -58% having doubts is a good thing or not. But then again, I am not a OBOT!!!

    I could catch Squawky and move to Washington for that much a month. Or maybe just hire a bird feeder every day.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  150. avatar
    BatGuano November 3, 2010 at 11:43 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: What confuses me is this. If I was a OBOT, and Obama and the Democratic party just got this big smackdown, I think I would be more open-minded about stuff that could have caused it.

    that would be the economy. if you noticed none of the winners tuesday ran on a birther platform.

  151. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 3, 2010 at 11:50 pm #

    BAT:

    I betcha some people voted on a Birther platform! I know some who did! They couldn’t hardly wait!

    Plus, nobody has really given me a valid downside to coughing up something. Supposedly, we have already seen the “real thing.”

    Really, are all you OBOTS this GroupThinky???? Is there not a rebel thinker among you? Any of you who just wonder why Obama hasn’t done the simple thing???

    Gee whiz, you are a bunch of lemmings!!! ROTFLMAO!!!

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  152. avatar
    BatGuano November 4, 2010 at 12:07 am #

    SqueekyFromm: BAT:I betcha some people voted on a Birther platform! I know some who did! They couldn’t hardly wait!

    who would a birther vote be cast for ?

  153. avatar
    Daniel November 4, 2010 at 12:11 am #

    SqueekyFromm: I was in high school drama and DEBATE!

    Now see the drama I can believe.

    But if you were on the debate team (which is the only thing I can possibly think you mean since there’s no such thing as “Debate” in High school to be “in”, it’s not a subject like being in MAth or English Lit or Drama) in your high school, then someone should have fired your faculty rep, because you certainly have no concept of how to debate.

  154. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 4, 2010 at 12:17 am #

    To Bat:

    Any Republican not from Kenya.

    To Daniel:

    At least I have individual thoughts. I am not part of a groupthink herd in which no single herd member seems to have considered coughing up a bumpy birth certificate to address a question about where somebody was born.

    In fact, I am continually amazed that ALL of you seem to act act like coughing up a bumpy birth certificate is like dying in an asteroid strike or something. MY GOD, is there not one single OBOT who has ever thought of this???

    It’s like “Anything in the world but that!!!!” “OH NOOOOO! Not cough up a birth certificate!!!”

    I mean, really?? ROTFLMAO!!!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  155. avatar
    Daniel November 4, 2010 at 12:19 am #

    SqueekyFromm: Is there not a rebel thinker among you? Any of you who just wonder why Obama hasn’t done the simple thing???

    Gee whiz, you are a bunch of lemmings!!! ROTFLMAO!!!

    You are confusing being a rebel with being stupid. You’re not a rebel…

    And Obama has done the simple thing. He’s shown his Birth Certificate, but stupid people simply refuse to get that.

    And the idea that lemmings follow each other over a cliff is a hoax. It doesn’t happen. Only the really stupid still believe the lemmings fallacy, or use it as a pejorative. I’m not surprised you fall into that group.

    Still, if you’re so willfully ignorant that you still buy into the lemmings fallacy, it’s not surprising that you are stupid enough to fall for the birther fallacy. Stupid goes hand in hand with gullibel.

  156. avatar
    Daniel November 4, 2010 at 12:21 am #

    SqueekyFromm: Any Republican not from Kenya.

    Republican candidates have rejected birtherism, so none of them would be a “birther” vote

  157. avatar
    misha November 4, 2010 at 12:24 am #

    Daniel: And the idea that lemmings follow each other over a cliff is a hoax. It doesn’t happen. Only the really stupid still believe the lemmings fallacy, or use it as a pejorative.

    Excuse me: “Lemmings Form Iraq Suicide Brigade”

    http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i10066

  158. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 4, 2010 at 12:24 am #

    Daniel: 22

    Squiggy: 0

  159. avatar
    Daniel November 4, 2010 at 12:26 am #

    SqueekyFromm: At least I have individual thoughts. I am not part of a groupthink herd in which no single herd member seems to have considered coughing up a bumpy birth certificate to address a question about where somebody was born.

    In fact, I am continually amazed that ALL of you seem to act act like coughing up a bumpy birth certificate is like dying in an asteroid strike or something. MY GOD, is there not one single OBOT who has ever thought of this???

    And once again the Irony meter goes OFF THE SCALE!!!

    This from the birther who follows the birther fallacy like a bleating sheep; who is incapable of grasping simple concepts like the fact that Obama has produced his “bumpy” BC.

    Yes you have original thoughts…… which just happen to be exactly the same thoughts the birthers want you to have…… hmmmmmmmmm

    “Brian: You’ve got to think for your selves! You’re ALL individuals!

    The Crowd: Yes! We’re all individuals!

    Brian: You’re all different!

    The Crowd: Yes, we ARE all different!

    Man in crowd: I’m not…

    The Crowd: Sch! “

  160. avatar
    Dave November 4, 2010 at 12:27 am #

    SqueekyFromm: I am continually amazed that ALL of you seem to act act like coughing up a bumpy birth certificate is like dying in an asteroid strike or something. MY GOD, is there not one single OBOT who has ever thought of this???

    As we recently discussed, somebody did think of it several years ago, and posted it then. K? I bet you feel better already.

  161. avatar
    BatGuano November 4, 2010 at 12:29 am #

    SqueekyFromm: Any Republican not from Kenya.

    yet not a single one of the winners campaigned in support of the birthers. if the birthers had been a substancial and legitimate voting block then we would have seen most republican candidates eager for their support. didn’t happen.

  162. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 4, 2010 at 12:32 am #

    Daniel:

    Putting the PICTURE on the internet didn’t work. Period. That was over two years ago. DEAL WITH REALITY!

    I am not the one running like heck away from coughing up a bumpy birth certificate. You OBOTS can try to turn it into something sinister and strange until you are blue in the face, but it isn’t.

    Running for over two years from something this simple is what is strange. When everyone of you agrees, that is even stranger. I wonder if you are all a part of some cult or something. When not one of you can arrive at the simple answer of coughing up a bumpy birth certificate, I suspect you have been kept in a basement somewhere for a while and sexually abused or something???

    Weird. The “Company” really isn’t watching and you can RUN LIKE HELL if you want to!!!

    Escape Lemmings!!!! Escape!!!

    ROTFLMAO!!!!

    Oh Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  163. avatar
    BatGuano November 4, 2010 at 12:44 am #

    SqueekyFromm: When not one of you can arrive at the simple answer of coughing up a bumpy birth certificate,

    this question has been answered. he did.

    are you expecting it to be personally shown to 300+ million people? how exactly is that done ?

  164. avatar
    Majority Will November 4, 2010 at 12:48 am #

    Stop feeding the troll.

  165. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 4, 2010 at 12:49 am #

    BatGuano: 18

    Squiggy: 0

  166. avatar
    Daniel November 4, 2010 at 12:51 am #

    SqueekyFromm: Putting the PICTURE on the internet didn’t work. Period. That was over two years ago.

    It has been pointed out to you over and over again that the President is not going to drive over to your house and show you his Birth Certificate personally. Your delusion that it is somehow required of him to do so is laughable at best. He has shown the original “bumpy” to the people who have the resposibility to validate it, and that is all that’s required. The only thing YOU are ever going to getr, from anyone, is a picture of a BC.I’m sorry you don’t like that, but real life is often much harder than fantasy delusions.

    Yes it was over two years ago, and you still insist it didn’t happen. You’ve wasted two years of your life over a fantasy delusion. I find that to be very sad.

    SqueekyFromm: DEAL WITH REALITY!

    You owe me another Irony meter.

    SqueekyFromm: I am not the one running like heck away from coughing up a bumpy birth certificate.

    And, strangely enough, neither is Obama, since he coughed it up two years ago.

    SqueekyFromm: You OBOTS can try to turn it into something sinister and strange until you are blue in the face, but it isn’t.

    Ummm… forgive me if I’ve missed something, but isn’t it the birthers that are trying to turn the non-issue of Obama’s birth into something sinister and strange? I fear for your grasp on reality, Squeeky

    SqueekyFromm: Running for over two years from something this simple is what is strange. When everyone of you agrees, that is even stranger.

    You know what’s really strange? I believe that 2=2=4, and gravity is what holds all of us down on the earth. You see, Squeeky, that fact that most people believe soemthing doesn’t make it wrong. What makes it wrong or right is determined by the merits of the position.

    Your position has no merit, which is why only a lunatic fringe minority believe it.

    SqueekyFromm: I suspect you have been kept in a basement somewhere for a while and sexually abused or something???

    As I recall, you are the one who admitted to having psychological problems, and something about your father too, I believe?

    I’m sorry for what happened to you, Squeeky, but I didn’t cause your past problems, and neither did Obama.

    SqueekyFromm: Weird. The “Company” really isn’t watching and you can RUN LIKE HELL if you want to!!!

    Why would we run, when we keep winning?

    SqueekyFromm: Escape Lemmings!!!! Escape!!!

    Still not paying attention, I see. If you look above to one of my previous posts, I explained that the whole Lemmings thing is a hoax. Your attempt to use it as an insult is meaningless and purile. What’s really sad is that you cannot grasp how it pretty much frames your whole psychosis in a nutshell.

  167. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 4, 2010 at 12:57 am #

    to Bat:

    No. I must have answered that a hundred times before in another thread, but all the OBOTS kept asking it over and over like they were having comprehension problems. I would be happy if he just let a few of them loose in PUBLIC, where people could actually look at them, or where I knew real people had a chance to get them.

    To Majority Will:

    It has been my experience whenever somebody hollers TROLL, that is a dead giveaway that somebody disagrees with them and they just can’t handle it.

    But I am HAPPY now. My second person has answered the KISS question!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  168. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 4, 2010 at 1:14 am #

    UPDATE!!! FUT answered too! Now I have three. FUT is a No. 3 Snobby!!!
    —————————————————————————————————
    FUTTHESHUCKUP@
    Member

    Cathy in CA
    Member

    They could see the long form, the long long form, and the long long long form. Nothing would satisfy them
    ————————————–
    I figure that the only thing that will satisfy them is for someone to invent a time machine so they can be there in the delivery room with his mother, get a blood sample and then bring it back so they can compare a sample of the DNA from the bood they collected with Obama’s. Of course, they know that’s never going to happen, but it’s where the goalposts will eventually end up if he produces everything they ask for
    ——————————————————————————————–

    OH HALLELUJAH!!! Now I have three people who have answered!!! Fut, you did MAN UP!!!

    You are also a No. 3 Snobby!!!!

    3. SNOBBY. Obama thinks Americans are too stupid to believe the REAL THING!

    Thank You!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  169. avatar
    chufho November 4, 2010 at 2:38 am #

    who funds your sight ?

  170. avatar
    misha November 4, 2010 at 2:55 am #

    chufho: who funds your sight ?

    Soros and the International Jewish Conspiracyโ„ข.

  171. avatar
    misha November 4, 2010 at 2:56 am #

    chufho: who funds your sight ?

    I just got a message from the CPUSA – they help fund it too.

  172. avatar
    Daniel November 4, 2010 at 3:41 am #

    chufho: who funds your sight ?

    My sight is procured by way of my eyeballs, which were provided for me at birth, sort of inherited from my parents, as it were.

    I have recieved no stimulus money for my sight, as my eyeballs are stimulated exclusively by photons which are public domain.

  173. avatar
    Majority Will November 4, 2010 at 6:26 am #

    chufho: who funds your sight ?

    Cabela’s
    http://www.cabelas.com/sights.shtml

  174. avatar
    ellid November 4, 2010 at 7:21 am #

    Majority Will: Stop feeding the troll.

    THANK YOU.

  175. avatar
    ellid November 4, 2010 at 7:23 am #

    chufho: who funds your sight ?

    I do, in the form of eye examinations and new glasses every few years.

  176. avatar
    misha November 4, 2010 at 7:48 am #

    ellid: I do, in the form of eye examinations and new glasses every few years.

    Flex plan, I presume?

  177. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 4, 2010 at 8:51 am #

    SqueekyFromm: Bovilexia:I have a secret. I was in high school drama and DEBATE! I even got to judge some debates. Sooo, I know when somebody has answered a question and when they have run off! Or dodged stuff. You are a DODGER!!! You call names and stuff like that, but you really don’t answer the questions.BUT, like I keep saying, Ignore REALITY all you want! I wonder if Obama would pay me a Million Dollars a month, because I could sure straighten him up! He isn’t getting good advice now, that is for sure. I am not confused as to whether 27% -58% having doubts is a good thing or not. But then again, I am not a OBOT!!!I could catch Squawky and move to Washington for that much a month. Or maybe just hire a bird feeder every day.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Was this when you used to create imaginary settings to escape the problems you had with your father? We know you were a drama student it’s easy to tell. Debate however is an outright lie. You could straighten him up? Is he getting uppity or something? 58% didn’t have doubts you need to learn to read statistics

  178. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 4, 2010 at 8:55 am #

    SqueekyFromm: To Bat: Any Republican not from Kenya.To Daniel:At least I have individual thoughts. I am not part of a groupthink herd in which no single herd member seems to have considered coughing up a bumpy birth certificate to address a question about where somebody was born.In fact, I am continually amazed that ALL of you seem to act act like coughing up a bumpy birth certificate is like dying in an asteroid strike or something. MY GOD, is there not one single OBOT who has ever thought of this???It’s like “Anything in the world but that!!!!” “OH NOOOOO! Not cough up a birth certificate!!!”I mean, really?? ROTFLMAO!!!!!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    You have individual thoughts? Why is it your parroting the same stale talking points that birthers have been going on about for 2 years? Why don’t you cough up your “bumpy” birth certificate? Obama has done more to prove he was born here than you have.

  179. avatar
    Majority Will November 4, 2010 at 12:03 pm #

    Birthers Widen Net: Challenge Legality of Eight Presidencies

    Thursday, 4 November 2010

    Undeterred by setbacks in its challenge to the legality of President Barack Obama’s presidency, the Birther Movement has widened its scope by challenging the legality of eight other U.S. presidencies. The Birther movement, so-called because it insists President Obama was not born a U.S. citizen, has recently revealed that eight of the first nine presidents of the United States were not born on U.S. soil.

    “Eight of the first nine presidents were born prior to the establishment of the United States in 1776 in North America’s English colonies,” raved prominent birther Orly Taitz. “Except for for the Presidency of Martin Van Buren, the first half century of the republic was ruled by foreigners. And even Van Buren is suspect. ‘Van Buren’? That name doesn’t sound very American to me!”

    Birthers believe that the early presidents were part of a vast plot by England to undermine the new nation. Birthers claim that the early presidents proved their suspect loyalties by such things as: continuing the use of English as a common language; basing political ideals on those of the English constitution; retaining the English common law; maintaining diplomatic and trade relations with England despite England’s history of antagonism and belligerence toward the fledgling nation.

    So far, legal challenges by Birthers to the early presidents have been met with hostility from the legal system and stony indifference from the public. Experts agree that the birther movement will die out when Ms. Taitz begins taking her anti-psychotic medications again and her followers get jobs, girlfriends and out of their mothers’ basements.

    http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i85801

  180. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 4, 2010 at 1:02 pm #

    Dr. Bob Ross:

    You said:

    You have individual thoughts? Why is it your parroting the same stale talking points that birthers have been going on about for 2 years? Why don’t you cough up your “bumpy” birth certificate? Obama has done more to prove he was born here than you have.
    —————————————————————————————————-

    First, sooo are you arguing with a figment of your imagination???

    Second, if I am a parrot, please tell me which QUESTIONER (new word for Birther) has come up with KISS??? Or New Horizons in Birtherism??? Or the dead French artist? Or Obama’s First Grade papers??? Or answered the Airplane Argument??? Or Obot Group Therapy Sessions???

    You know, what you really ought to do is YOU QUIT PARROTING OTHER OBOTS!!!!

    Have a real, live original thought for YOURSELF!!!

    DARE TO THINK that maybe the answer to a “Where was he born?” question is “Just cough up a birth certificate into PUBLIC.”

    Really, an Obot accusing someone of being a parrot??? Funny ha ha. You Obots wouldn’t know the meaning of the word “dissent.”

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  181. avatar
    Majority Will November 4, 2010 at 1:13 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    You have individual thoughts?Why is it your parroting the same stale talking points that birthers have been going on about for 2 years?Why don’t you cough up your “bumpy” birth certificate?Obama has done more to prove he was born here than you have.

    See what happens when you feed a troll? The stink is bad! ๐Ÿ˜•

  182. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 4, 2010 at 1:49 pm #

    To Majority Will:

    That is called the Stench of Dissent. It only affects people who can’t handle dissent. A lot of Nazis had that affliction. To normal Americans, it smells good.

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  183. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 4, 2010 at 2:11 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: To Majority Will:That is called the Stench of Dissent. It only affects people who can’t handle dissent. A lot of Nazis had that affliction. To normal Americans, it smells good.Tee Hee! Tee Hee!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    There’s a phrase I use but because it gets moderated ill use the PG version. In regards to the birthers crap sticks together and it shows.

  184. avatar
    ellid November 4, 2010 at 2:22 pm #

    misha:
    Flex plan, I presume?

    HMO Blue.

  185. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 4, 2010 at 2:37 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Bob Ross:You said:You have individual thoughts? Why is it your parroting the same stale talking points that birthers have been going on about for 2 years? Why don’t you cough up your “bumpy” birth certificate? Obama has done more to prove he was born here than you have.—————————————————————————————————-First, sooo are you arguing with a figment of your imagination??? Second, if I am a parrot, please tell me which QUESTIONER (new word for Birther) has come up with KISS??? Or New Horizons in Birtherism??? Or the dead French artist? Or Obama’s First Grade papers??? Or answered the Airplane Argument??? Or Obot Group Therapy Sessions???You know, what you really ought to do is YOU QUIT PARROTING OTHER OBOTS!!!!Have a real, live original thought for YOURSELF!!!DARE TO THINK that maybe the answer to a “Where was he born?” question is “Just cough up a birth certificate into PUBLIC.”Really, an Obot accusing someone of being a parrot??? Funny ha ha. You Obots wouldn’t know the meaning of the word “dissent.”Tee Hee! Tee Hee!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Kiss is a popular acronym. Other birthers have said the same stuff you’ve claimed. How does one cough something up into the public? You claimed you wanted the department of health to set aside staffers to send out birth certificates to pretty much anyone who asks with no limits to how many go out. So we waste millions of dollars to satisfy the few who wont be satisfied anyway. While at the same time you say you don’t trust politicians or government entities and so all this would have been for not as you wouldn’t trust the document. Just as you don’t trust the image on the web that was verified by the Director of the Department of Health as being a scan of the copy of his birth certificate issued by their department. What airplane argument? What do Obama’s first grade papers matter? Once again you’re making up new arguments as a backup for you not believing the birth certificate. Him coughing up copies for random people won’t matter to you as you have moved on to other things to try to complain about.

    Again people who think you are crazy aren’t the ones who are needing therapy, you are the one paying for therapy. Have you tried admitting yourself to a psych ward? Its obvious the therapy sessions aren’t working.

  186. avatar
    Majority Will November 4, 2010 at 3:06 pm #

    ellid:
    THANK YOU.

    Along with the repetitive, puerile logorrhea, invoking Godwin’s law should be a clear enough signal. ๐Ÿ˜€

  187. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 4, 2010 at 3:08 pm #

    Dr. Bob Ross:

    I guess you think Obama shouldn’t try to fix the economy either, because there will just be a new problem after that??? Plus, I have another new thing which PROVES I am NOT A PARROT!!! It is a new Internet Article, “Ich Bin Ein Birther!” which is at my website, and here:

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/ich-bin-ein-birther

    See! I listen, learn, and absorb NEW THINGS!!!

    SO THERE!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  188. avatar
    Daniel November 4, 2010 at 3:20 pm #

    So are we Nazi’s now, or Communists?

    It’s so hard to keep up with what these MacaroniCheeseDinners (new word for Birthers) say we are.

    Of course it’s entirely possible that Squeeky, and most MacaroniCheeseDinners don’t actually have a clue that Nazis and Communists are diametrically opposed and therefore we cannot be both.

    Considering the willful ignorance of any sort of political knowledge she’s shown so far, I wouldn’t be surprised that she doesn’t know the difference.

    Of course, since we’re not the ones ignoring the constitution, as opposed to MacaroniCheeseDinners (new word for Birthers) who are actively trying to get people to ignore the constitution, it’s also possible that Squeeky is using pejoratives that can’t possibly apply, in order to demonize us down to her level.

  189. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 4, 2010 at 3:27 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Bob Ross:I guess you think Obama shouldn’t try to fix the economy either, because there will just be a new problem after that??? Plus, I have another new thing which PROVES I am NOT A PARROT!!! It is a new Internet Article, “Ich Bin Ein Birther!” which is at my website, and here:http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/ich-bin-ein-birtherSee! I listen, learn, and absorb NEW THINGS!!!SO THERE!!!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Yeah you’re a parrot. It isn’t in the president’s job description to provide his birth certificate to every single naysayer who is just making excuses to hate him. Technically the president can’t personally fix the economy it takes a lot of moving parts to do that. No one cares about your fake journalism articles.

  190. avatar
    Daniel November 4, 2010 at 3:27 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: have another new thing which PROVES I am NOT A PARROT!!! It is a new Internet Article, “Ich Bin Ein Birther!” which is at my website,

    Rearranging birther delusion phrases into new but entirely unoriginal sound bites does not prove you’re not a parrot. Recall that you called us parrots originally, even though we don’t all type the exact same thing as each other every time. By your own standards, you are a parrot, your purile and spurious pretend journalism blog notwithstanding.

    Hoisted by your own petard again…. that must start to hurt after awhile, assuming you have any sense at all…

  191. avatar
    Daniel November 4, 2010 at 3:29 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: SO THERE!!!

    I don’t think I’ve used that phrase as a way to pretend victory since…. I was about six.

  192. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 4, 2010 at 3:57 pm #

    Is that nutjob back here talking about herself again?

  193. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 4, 2010 at 4:19 pm #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP: Is that nutjob back here talking about herself again?

    yup

  194. avatar
    Black Lion November 4, 2010 at 4:25 pm #

    From Orly….

    “Congressman Nathan Deal,who mailed a letter to Obama and demanded from Obama to provide his original birth certificate with the name of the doctor and hospital and signatures, ended up winning his race for GA governor with a huge margin of 10 percent. So, being a birhter and demanding the original birth certificate from usurper Obama did not hurt Congressman Deal (now Governor of GA Deal) it only helped him. It helps to be a birther.”

    http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=13697

  195. avatar
    BatGuano November 4, 2010 at 4:34 pm #

    from the article:

    -Last week, the Deal campaign gave one [copy of Deal’s letter] to PolitiFact Georgia. It’s no birther manifesto.
    Deal wrote, “I accept your assurance you meet that requirement, and in no way intend to show anything but respect for the Office of President and for you personally.”

    has orly ever gotten anything right ???

  196. avatar
    Majority Will November 4, 2010 at 4:53 pm #

    BatGuano: from the article:-Last week, the Deal campaign gave one [copy of Deal’s letter] to PolitiFact Georgia. It’s no birther manifesto.
    Deal wrote, “I accept your assurance you meet that requirement, and in no way intend to show anything but respect for the Office of President and for you personally.”has orly ever gotten anything right ???

    However, Deal is trying to have it both ways. He’s pandering to the birther extremists while mollifying the moderates.

    Also from the article:

    Deal said that his constituents were concerned about the President’s citizenship. He asked where he could find a publicly available “birth certificate or other documentary evidence” that lays out Obama’s case.

    So the letter bolsters the Deal campaign’s claim that he is not a birther. But Deal’s other statements muddy the waters.

    In a July 2009 video aired on MSNBC, Deal talked to liberal blogger and activist Mike Stark. Stark provided an unedited version to PolitiFact Georgia.

    “There’s been a lot in the news about Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Do you believe he was born in America and anyone who believes otherwise is a little bit cuckoo?” Stark asked Deal.

    “I wouldn’t say that. I have no idea where he was born at,” Deal replied.

    Deal added this caveat: “I take his word for it. He’s the President and he’s sworn to tell the truth, so I assume that he has.”

    Deal elaborated on his doubts to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution in a November 2009 article. He said he had “no reason to think” that Obama is not a legal U.S. citizen but the documentation “leaves many things to be desired.”

    “It obviously does not have the signature of a doctor. Most birth certificates or even certificates of live birth have those kinds of verifications,” Deal said.

    If Deal had a change of heart between November of last year, when he expressed these doubts, and December, when he told the president he had none, we found no evidence that he tried to make that clear to the public.

    Deal had a chance to clarify his position during a January GOP gubernatorial debate. Opponent state Rep. Austin Scott, now a candidate for Congress, accused Deal of “calling for childish things like the president to show his birth certificate.”

    “I have simply asked the president, ‘tell me where I can refer these constituent inquiries to a source that you think is credible so that we can answer their questions’,” Deal replied. “I think that’s a reasonable proposition and certainly something that I think the president should respond to. Although at this point he has not.”

    In a February video posted on the Web, Deal distanced himself from birthers by saying “I’m not questioning his legitimacy as the president.” But he did not say he accepted Obama’s explanation.

    http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2010/aug/20/liberal-bloggers/liberal-bloggers-say-candidate-governor-nathan-dea/

  197. avatar
    Daniel November 4, 2010 at 4:58 pm #

    Sounds like Deal is good at dancing around anything definative to make sure he doesn’t alienate birthers OR sane people.

  198. avatar
    Majority Will November 4, 2010 at 5:08 pm #

    Daniel: Sounds like Deal is good at dancing around anything definative to make sure he doesn’t alienate birthers OR sane people.

    In the election, I told Howie and the state of Georgia, “NO DEAL.” Oh well. I learned to adapt through the Gov. Perdue reign of ineptitude. The state of Georgia has no gas following a hurricane resulting in massive traffic snarls and days of waiting for fuel but all the surrounding states get deliveries because their Governors found creative solutions. Perdue goes to Europe instead.

  199. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 4, 2010 at 5:17 pm #

    Dr. Bob Ross:

    You should be proud! One of your Obots, FUT, has created a brand new logical fallacy!!! The “All Questions in the Universe have the same number of Answers” logical fallacy. I know Fut is modest, and probably wouldn’t come here and brag, so I wanted you all to know about his achievement!!!

    Here it is, just like e=mc/pi or something:

    FUTTHESHUCKUP@
    Member

    Now, if she’s going to say there are more than 4 answers to my question, THEN LOGICALLY, THERE ARE MORE THAN 4 ANSWERS TO HERS.
    —————————————————————

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  200. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 4, 2010 at 5:24 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Bob Ross:You should be proud! One of your Obots, FUT, has created a brand new logical fallacy!!! The “All Questions in the Universe have the same number of Answers” logical fallacy. I know Fut is modest, and probably wouldn’t come here and brag, so I wanted you all to know about his achievement!!!Here it is, just like e=mc/pi or something:FUTTHESHUCKUP@MemberNow, if she’s going to say there are more than 4 answers to my question, THEN LOGICALLY, THERE ARE MORE THAN 4 ANSWERS TO HERS.—————————————————————Tee Hee! Tee Hee!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Have you ever tried posting your drivel on 4chan? I’m sure they would be interested in hearing it

  201. avatar
    Majority Will November 4, 2010 at 5:34 pm #

    Come On Birthers, Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is

    Excerpt:

    Seriously Birthers, put your money where your mouth is. If you don’t think Obama’s a citizen, if you think you can win a case on different grounds than the one that just got Alan Keyes and co laughed out of court, then sue! Come on, do it. I’ll even sweeten the deal. 100 bucks of my hard earned money to any Birther that sues successfully in court. That’s right, win a case…prove Obama’s not a citizen…and get 100 dollars from me complete with public acknowledgment here on the blog. Come on, what’s stopping you? Sure, if you lose as you most likely will (those judges are all in on the grand conspiracy too you know) you’re going to have to pay court costs and be the laughing stock of the country….oh wait, that last part is already true…

    Seriously, if you’re so convinced he’s not a citizen, sue on whatever grounds you can find. If you win, I’ll pony up 100 bucks to you. What’s the matter? Are you too chicken $+!โ€?

    http://bluearkansasblog.com/?p=4498

  202. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 4, 2010 at 5:39 pm #

    Her “logic” is that there are only 4 answers to the question as to why Obama won’t take her to Hawaii and get her her own personal copy of his birth certificate. I say there are only 4 answers as to why she’s delusional. Who gets to decide how many answers there are to any question? HER? lmao. Sorry, it doesn’t work that way

    Unless she wants to be logically inconsistent that is by making the insipid claim that her question only has four answers while mine has more than that. My guess is that she’ll just continue hiding from the question because she’s a birther buffoonโ„ข coward. And logical inconsistency is not logical

    Squiggy thinks there are only 4 answers to her dumb question but more to every one else’s.

  203. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 4, 2010 at 5:40 pm #

    Now, here’s the question you have to answer

    Squiggy Tthinks that Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii because she’s:

    1. a moron
    2. an idiot
    3. an imbecile
    4. a buttmunch

  204. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 4, 2010 at 5:40 pm #

    Dr. Bob Ross:

    I’m sorry. You guys seem so interested in everything STUPID that Birthers may say, I thought you might have the same interest in Obot STUPID BEHAVIOR. And maybe even when Obots disrupt forums. I really thought that maybe you would want to know about that. I even thought you may have some interest in Obot mistakes and blunders.

    I guess I was wrong. I won’t bother you again. Get back to the circle self-pleasuring activity.

    Pardon me.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  205. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 4, 2010 at 5:41 pm #

    Of course, there are more than 4 answers to her dumb question as to why Obama doesn’t appease, birthers’ delusions, but in her fantasy world, there are only 4

  206. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 4, 2010 at 5:50 pm #

    To be logical, one must first be rational, and the failure to appreciate the fact that there are more than 4 rational answers to her question as to why President Obama doesn’t appease birthers’ delusions proves that she isn’t even rational and cannot, therefore, be logical

  207. avatar
    misha November 4, 2010 at 5:52 pm #

    Daniel: Sounds like Deal is good at dancing around anything definative to make sure he doesn’t alienate birthers OR sane people.

    That is what Issa is going to do. He’ll play footsie with them, and may give a hearing to one or two. Issa is going to make life hell for Obama.

  208. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 4, 2010 at 5:58 pm #

    A schizophrenic who believes that space aliens from Mars are controlling his or her thoughts through microwaves beamed into his or her head from Mars is not rational and cannot be logical. He or she might think they’re being logical, but it’s based on an irrational belief, and any logic based on an irrational belief cannot be logical

  209. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 4, 2010 at 6:06 pm #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP: Her “logic” is that there are only 4 answers to the question as to why Obama won’t take her to Hawaii and get her her own personal copy of his birth certificate

    I wrote about this in my article: Why doesn’t he show the damn thing? back in 2009.

    Let me offer 4 possible reasons Obama doesn’t release a certified photocopy of his original birth certificate:

    1) Refusing to release the document increases the shrill cries of the lunatic fringe, causing embarrassment and distraction for the Republican Party.
    2) It is well known that refuting evidence increases the zeal of the true conspiracy theorist, and just makes them think the conspiracy is bigger than before.
    3) He doesn’t want to legitimize the birthers by acceding to their demands (rather he marginalizes them by making jokes).
    4) The first birth certificate had the opposite effect from resolving the questions. Fool me once…. Another way to look at this is that the first birth certificate answered all legitimate questions, and nothing will answer illegitimate questions.

  210. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 4, 2010 at 6:11 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: I really thought that maybe you would want to know about that. I even thought you may have some interest in Obot mistakes and blunders.

    Actually, I am much more interested/concerned about Obot mistakes and blunders, especially my own. I take such things seriously. I do not take the birthers seriously (at least not any more).

  211. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 4, 2010 at 6:12 pm #

    And there are more reasons than that, Doc. He knows that releasing anything else is not going to satisfy them; they will just move the goalposts again. He knows that if he releases anything else and posts it on the internet, they will just download it, alter it, and claim it’s fake like they did with the COLB. He has already released what is required to prove that he is eligible per the Constitution – a birth certificate from a US state. Finally, the state of Hawaii doesn’t have a “long form” anymore. I’m sure that others here are able to add even more reasons to that list.

  212. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 4, 2010 at 6:13 pm #

    Majority Will: That’s right, win a case…prove Obama’s not a citizen…and get 100 dollars from me complete with public acknowledgment here on the blog.

    Noting that Pastor Manning’s Blood of Jesus v Obama trial was not a real court case.

  213. avatar
    misha November 4, 2010 at 6:21 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Noting that Pastor Manning’s Blood of Jesus v Obama trial was not a real court case.

    It was theatre performed by asylum inmates. See “The Persecution and Assassination of Jean-Paul Marat as Performed by the Inmates of the Asylum of Charenton under the Direction of Monsieur de Sade.”

  214. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 4, 2010 at 6:25 pm #

    chufho: who funds your sight ?

    I do. See: Funding at http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/visitor-guide/

  215. avatar
    misha November 4, 2010 at 6:59 pm #

    chufho: who funds your sight ?

    “I do this site as a hobby, and nobody pays me to do it.”

    I don’t know about you, but I get help from Moveon.

  216. avatar
    Majority Will November 4, 2010 at 7:26 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Noting that Pastor Manning’s Blood of Jesus v Obama trial was not a real court case.

    Duly noted.

  217. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 4, 2010 at 8:32 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Bob Ross:I’m sorry. You guys seem so interested in everything STUPID that Birthers may say, I thought you might have the same interest in Obot STUPID BEHAVIOR. And maybe even when Obots disrupt forums. I really thought that maybe you would want to know about that. I even thought you may have some interest in Obot mistakes and blunders.I guess I was wrong.I won’t bother you again. Get back to the circle self-pleasuring activity.Pardon me.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Considering “obots” as you’ve called them have not shown the same stupid and paranoid tendencies that you have I don’t think you have much of a case. What errors are you talking about because you haven’t brought anything of substance yet to this site

  218. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 4, 2010 at 8:36 pm #

    To Dr. C:

    Thank you because you were NICE in your answer, even if you didn’t agree with me. You said 4 reasons:

    1) Refusing to release the document increases the shrill cries of the lunatic fringe, causing embarrassment and distraction for the Republican Party.
    2) It is well known that refuting evidence increases the zeal of the true conspiracy theorist, and just makes them think the conspiracy is bigger than before.
    3) He doesn’t want to legitimize the birthers by acceding to their demands (rather he marginalizes them by making jokes).
    4) The first birth certificate had the opposite effect from resolving the questions. Fool me once…. Another way to look at this is that the first birth certificate answered all legitimate questions, and nothing will answer illegitimate questions.

    I have 4 reasons, too:

    1. KENYA. He is born in Kenya.
    2. IGNORANT. Obama is too ignorant to think of the simple answer.
    3. SNOBBY. Obama thinks Americans are too stupid to believe the REAL THING!
    4. SLIMY. Obama thinks it is OK to make some Americans look crazy if it gets him votes.

    Your Number 1 is about the same as my number 4. I say it “mean-ly” for Obama, and you say it nicer. But what it is for both, is POLITICAL ADVANTAGE.

    Your Number 2 and 4 fit into my number 3, that whatever got coughed up wouldn’t work.

    Your number 3 is close to my number 2, in that I say Obama just hasn’t thought of coughing it up, and you say coughing it up would legitimize us.

    Which only leaves number 1 for me, which is KENYA.

    But really, we are not that far apart. I just say it “mean” to Obama. You say it “mean” to Us.

    Sooo, what that means is that while Obots may not agree with me, it isn’t like I am just TOTALLY STUPID or anything. There is some logic to my analysis.

    Thank you!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  219. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 4, 2010 at 8:43 pm #

    http://www.fallacyfiles.org/loadques.html

    Logical fallacy: loaded question

    A question with a false, disputed, or question-begging presupposition.

  220. avatar
    misha November 4, 2010 at 8:51 pm #

    I don’t remember if I posted this before, but here is Gawker’s prediction:

    http://gawker.com/5680666/welcome-to-the-next-two-years-of-gop-investigations

  221. avatar
    misha November 4, 2010 at 9:09 pm #

    Majority Will: The state of Georgia has no gas following a hurricane resulting in massive traffic snarls and days of waiting for fuel

    I once drove to Florida, and stayed in Cobb county, where Leo Frank was lynched. At 8 pm I went to buy gas. An officer talking to the clerk followed me out the door, and followed me all the way back to the motel, three feet from my bumper.

    Next day, I stopped for gas and lunch at the state border. My wife pointed to the beer coolers. They were all chained and padlocked shut; no alcohol sales on Sunday. Some fundie minister did that. Hypocrites – they buy enough on Saturday, to last until Monday.

    My grandfather detested that crowd. In 1970, if you said “WCTU” or “Salvation Army” to him, it was throwing a match into a can of gasoline.

    I remember my first date. When I got home, my mother pointed to me and said to her father in Yiddish, “he’s going with a shiksa.” I think the neighbors heard the result.

  222. avatar
    Majority Will November 4, 2010 at 9:28 pm #

    misha:
    I once drove to Florida, and stayed in Cobb county, where Leo Frank was lynched. At 8 pm I went to buy gas. An officer talking to the clerk followed me out the door, and followed me all the way back to the motel, three feet from my bumper.Next day, I stopped for gas and lunch at the state border. My wife pointed to the beer coolers. They were all chained and padlocked shut; no alcohol sales on Sunday. Some fundie minister did that. Hypocrites – they buy enough on Saturday, to last until Monday.My grandfather detested that crowd. In 1970, if you said “WCTU” or “Salvation Army” to him, it was throwing a match into a can of gasoline.I remember my first date. When I got home, my mother pointed to me and said to her father in Yiddish, “he’s going with a shiksa.” I think the neighbors heard the result.

    Among many inequities I saw when I was a kid, public restrooms were labeled Men, Women and Colored. There were usually two water fountains. On road trips through the South, dad would screen a diner to make sure it wasn’t segregated before we could go in. His code was that he needed to “buy a pack of gum.” My sister and I knew what it meant. We ate in the car sometimes if we couldn’t find a decent place.
    And no, we’re not African American. Wrong is wrong.

  223. avatar
    misha November 4, 2010 at 9:39 pm #

    Majority Will: public restrooms were labeled Men, Women and Colored. There were usually two water fountains. On road trips through the South, dad would screen a diner to make sure it wasn’t segregated before we could go in.

    The n word was forbidden in my household. Hey, what’s the difference between Jewish people and black people?

    Black people sing the blues. Jewish people just complain, and never set it to music.

    What would BB King sound like if he were Jewish? His guitar would not be named Lucille – it would be named Zelda. Instead of telling his guitar “sing it Lucille,” he would say ‘Zelda, stop kvetching.’

  224. avatar
    Majority Will November 4, 2010 at 9:44 pm #

    misha:
    The n word was forbidden in my household. Hey, what’s the difference between Jewish people and black people?Black people sing the blues. Jewish people just complain, and never set it to music.What would BB King sound like if he were Jewish? His guitar would not be named Lucille – it would be named Zelda. Instead of telling his guitar “sing it Lucille,” he would say โ€˜Zelda, stop kvetching.’

    Ba-dum-bum-CHING!!
    http://www.frogstar.com/content/rimshotwav

    Tip your waitress!

  225. avatar
    misha November 4, 2010 at 9:49 pm #

    [bada-bing]

  226. avatar
    misha November 4, 2010 at 9:53 pm #

    misha: On road trips through the South, dad would screen a diner to make sure it wasn’t segregated

    “The Negro Motorist Green Book”
    http://www.autolife.umd.umich.edu/Race/R_Casestudy/Negro_motorist_green_bk.htm

    “The GREEN BOOK with its list of hotels, boarding houses, restaurants, beauty shops, barber shops and various other services can most certainly help solve your travel problems. It was the idea of Victor H. Green, the publisher, in introducing the Green Book, to save the travelers of his race as many difficulties and embarrassments as possible.”

    It was simply a compendium of businesses that would serve black travellers.

  227. avatar
    Keith November 4, 2010 at 10:15 pm #

    misha: “The Negro Motorist Green Book”

    That was an interesting book. Thanks for posting it. I am easily entertained by historical catalogs, I guess.

    I notice that the publisher didn’t go out of their way to obtain ‘ethnically correct’ cartoons to illustrate some of their promo’s.

  228. avatar
    chufho November 5, 2010 at 1:24 am #

    who funds your sight ? just because you say its a hobby is in no way proof

  229. avatar
    chufho November 5, 2010 at 1:33 am #

    obama is an illegitimate president
    time to take your hobby to the next step (big leagues)(turn pro) get real as a tinkerer
    you have made yourself a fool

  230. avatar
    misha November 5, 2010 at 1:39 am #

    chufho: obama is an illegitimate president

    I have a relative who works for the Mossad. Obama’s father was an Ethiopian Jew. You have no idea what they are planning.

  231. avatar
    Dave November 5, 2010 at 6:42 am #

    chufho: who funds your sight ?

    My company benefits include a vision plan.

  232. avatar
    AnotherBird November 5, 2010 at 7:21 am #

    SqueekyFromm: 1. KENYA. He is born in Kenya.

    SqueekyFromm there is absolutely nothing that even suggest that Obama was born in Kenya.

  233. avatar
    ellid November 5, 2010 at 7:25 am #

    chufho: obama is an illegitimate president
    time to take your hobby to the next step (big leagues)(turn pro) get real as a tinkerer
    you have made yourself a fool

    There is no requirement in the Constitution or the law requiring that the President’s parents be married.

  234. avatar
    misha November 5, 2010 at 7:26 am #

    AnotherBird: SqueekyFromm there is absolutely nothing that even suggest that Obama was born in Kenya.

    Kenya? No, Obama’s father was an Ethiopian Jew.

  235. avatar
    AnotherBird November 5, 2010 at 7:30 am #

    chufho: obama is an illegitimate president
    time to take your hobby to the next step (big leagues)(turn pro) get real as a tinkerer
    you have made yourself a fool

    Our hobby is to place the clues in plain sight with hopes that people can make the link.

  236. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 5, 2010 at 7:51 am #

    chufho: you have made yourself a fool

    Jesus said:

    But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

    In the 23 months this web site has been up very few articles have been taken to task for factual errors (and those mostly minor and now corrected). I am happy to put my body of work up against what passes as wisdom among the birthers any day.

    Yours is a vacuous remark, typical of birther blustering: long on generalities and short on specifics.

  237. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 5, 2010 at 8:19 am #

    SqueekyFromm: I am not confused as to whether 27% -58% having doubts is a good thing or not.

    I think it is a fallacy to assign the “middle” into the category of doubters.

    If someone is not familiar with the issue, they may say “Barack Obama is probably born in the United States” based on the fact that US Presidents are generally believed to be required to be born in the United States.

    Someone like me who is familiar with the material, of course, is absolutely certain that Barack Obama was born in the United States. But someone who has not seen the COLB, the statement from the Hawaii health director, the newspaper birth announcements and the letter to the file from the Dunham FOIA might say “probably.” This doesn’t mean that they have doubts, but that they just haven’t looked into the matter.

    I just don’t think the less-committal response of “probably” equates to “have doubts.”

    Even among the negative responses, I wonder how many of them have actually looked at the facts available. My view is that with the facts available, there is no “reasonable doubt.” If that’s true then all the true doubters are unreasonable, and it would be a waste of time trying to sway them with additional evidence.

    Further I see no reason to think the uninformed doubters would move away from that category if an additional document were released. Their irrational doubter buddy would just say “it’s a fake” and nullify it.

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    Keith November 5, 2010 at 8:23 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Someone like me who is familiar with the material, of course, is absolutely certain that Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

    I assume that is a typo, but some may not draw the same conclusion.

  239. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 5, 2010 at 9:29 am #

    chufho: obama is an illegitimate presidenttime to take your hobby to the next step (big leagues)(turn pro) get real as a tinkereryou have made yourself a fool

    “Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.” – Principal – Billy Madison

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    Black Lion November 5, 2010 at 9:42 am #

    PJ Foogy over at GW posted an interesting link…

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/41131059/Members-of-Congress-Memo-What-to-Tell-Your-Constituents-in-Answer-to-Obama-Eligibility-Questions

    It is a congressional report regarding birtherism. It is an interesting read. It was written due to inquiries regarding the so called birth certificate….From the report….

    “Many of the inquiries have questioned why … Obama has not had to produce an original, so-called ‘long’ version of a ‘birth certificate’ … and have asked for an assessment of the various allegations and claims of non-eligibility status.”

    Link on GW…

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/%e2%96%ba-%e2%96%ba-official-debunking-of-birtherism-by-congressional-research-service-%e2%97%84-%e2%97%84

    What the CRS is….

    “The Congressional Research Service (CRS), known as “Congress’s think tank”, is the public policy research arm of the United States Congress. As a legislative branch agency within the Library of Congress, CRS works exclusively and directly for Members of Congress, their Committees and staff on a confidential, nonpartisan basis.

    Its staff of approximately 900 employees includes lawyers, economists, reference librarians, and social, natural, and physical scientists. In fiscal year 2007, CRS was appropriated a budget of roughly $100,786,000 by Congress and received additional grants from charitable foundations of approximately $129,000.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Research_Service

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 5, 2010 at 10:55 am #

    Black Lion: PJ Foogy over at GW posted an interesting link…http://www.scribd.com/doc/41131059/Members-of-Congress-Memo-What-to-Tell-Your-Constituents-in-Answer-to-Obama-Eligibility-QuestionsIt is a congressional report regarding birtherism. It is an interesting read. It was written due to inquiries regarding the so called birth certificate….From the report….“Many of the inquiries have questioned why … Obama has not had to produce an original, so-called long’ version of a birth certificate’ … and have asked for an assessment of the various allegations and claims of non-eligibility status.”Link on GW…http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/%e2%96%ba-%e2%96%ba-official-debunking-of-birtherism-by-congressional-research-service-%e2%97%84-%e2%97%84What the CRS is….“The Congressional Research Service (CRS), known as “Congress’s think tank”, is the public policy research arm of the United States Congress. As a legislative branch agency within the Library of Congress, CRS works exclusively and directly for Members of Congress, their Committees and staff on a confidential, nonpartisan basis.Its staff of approximately 900 employees includes lawyers, economists, reference librarians, and social, natural, and physical scientists. In fiscal year 2007, CRS was appropriated a budget of roughly $100,786,000 by Congress and received additional grants from charitable foundations of approximately $129,000.”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Research_Service

    What I find funny is the uploader of that document appears to be Mario Apuzzo. Anyone want to venture into the sewer that is his site and see if he ever mentioned this document?

  242. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 11:05 am #

    AnotherBird:
    SqueekyFromm there is absolutely nothing that even suggest that Obama was born in Kenya.

    Okay! Soooo, that leaves us ISS instead of KISS! Tell me which one of these makes you a fan of President Obama. Tell me which one of these motivates you to spend sooo much time on this issue. Tell me which one of these makes you want to carry Obama’s water for him, rather than him just coughing up his bumpy birth certificate into PUBLIC!

    1. “K” Temporarily out of service. (LOL!)
    2. IGNORANT. Obama is too ignorant to think of the simple answer.
    3. SNOBBY. Obama thinks Americans are too stupid to believe the REAL THING!
    4. SLIMY. Obama thinks it is OK to make some Americans look crazy if it gets him votes.

    Because if it is number 4, the “political advantage ” angle, that one sure didn’t work did it??? (See Shellac!)

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  243. avatar
    Daniel November 5, 2010 at 11:05 am #

    chufho: who funds your sight ? just because you say its a hobby is in no way proof

    First of all it’s a SITE, not a SIGHT. If you’re going to try to criticize someone’s expertise, at least try to get the terminology right.

    Secondly, it’s the content that is the proof, not the degree to which Doc gets paid. Many of the foundational discoveries of Physics, Chemisty, Mathematics, and Biology were made by amateur scientists.

  244. avatar
    Daniel November 5, 2010 at 11:06 am #

    chufho: you have made yourself a fool

    Every madman believes the wise are fools. It is waht defines his madness.

  245. avatar
    Reality Check November 5, 2010 at 11:12 am #

    Mario has a brief post up http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/11/members-of-congress-memo-what-to-tell.html

    He makes this comment:
    “Now we know why all the answers coming back to constituents sounded like they were written by the same person and were full of the same obfuscations and half truths and non-truths. This copy was obtained via the diligent and persistent efforts of a patriot going by the ID of “Bob1943” who obtained it from a Senator’s office. Now we know the talking points the DC insiders and politicians have been groomed with to feed to their constituents who have been asking questions about the eligibility issues. Thank you “Bob1943″. ”

    There is a thread at The Fogbow now also: http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=5027

    Blackstone is mentioned 9 times in the document as an authority. This was in a footnote:

    “38 ” Blackstone’s Commentaries was widely circulated in the Colonies … ” Powell v. McCormack, 395 U.S. 486, 538 (1969).
    “Sir William Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765-1769) is the most important legal treatise ever written in the English language. It was the dominant lawbook in England and America in the century after its publication and played a unique role in the development of the fledgling American legal system.” William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England, [hereinafter Blackstone], Volume I, Of the Rights of Persons (1765) (Introduction at iii).”

    de Vattel is not mentioned at all.

  246. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 5, 2010 at 11:19 am #

    SqueekyFromm: Okay! Soooo, that leaves us ISS instead of KISS! Tell me which one of these makes you a fan of President Obama. Tell me which one of these motivates you to spend sooo much time on this issue. Tell me which one of these makes you want to carry Obama’s water for him, rather than him just coughing up his bumpy birth certificate into PUBLIC!1. “K” Temporarily out of service. (LOL!)2. IGNORANT. Obama is too ignorant to think of the simple answer.3. SNOBBY. Obama thinks Americans are too stupid to believe the REAL THING!4. SLIMY. Obama thinks it is OK to make some Americans look crazy if it gets him votes.Because if it is number 4, the “political advantage ” angle, that one sure didn’t work did it??? (See Shellac!)Tee Hee! Tee Hee!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    How about none of the above? What is your motivation besides Hillary losing and distancing herself from you crazy types that makes you think so negatively of Obama and assume without any evidence that he is ineligible?

    Apparently 3 might be a little right as people like you have shown themselves too stupid to believe the real thing or rather you don’t care about the real thing. This isn’t about Obama’s eligiblity for you and you know it. You have a problem that a black man beat a woman fair and square. You hate him for who he is. You’ve already stated that you don’t believe politicians and the Hawaii Department of Health and so any document they release to millions at the same time would be considered fake to you.

  247. avatar
    Daniel November 5, 2010 at 11:19 am #

    SqueekyFromm: Tell me which one of these makes you a fan of President Obama. Tell me which one of these motivates you to spend sooo much time on this issue. Tell me which one of these makes you want to carry Obama’s water for him, rather than him just coughing up his bumpy birth certificate into PUBLIC!

    It’s hard to enumerate the number of ridiculous fallacies in your post, but I’ll try…

    1. You are assuming that anyoine who does not buy into birther crap is a “fan” of President Obama. That is ridiculous. I, for instance, am a conservative libertarian, and I oppose many of Obama’s policies. I am in no way a fan of Obama. That does not, however, preclude me from defending the Constitution and the Rebublic from the birthers, who oppose the Constitution and the Rule of Law.

    2. You are assuming that the three fallacious reasons left in your list are the only ones left to explain why we spend time on the issue. That is a fallacy of false dichotomy. IN addition to the reason I gave in item one, which you have failed to list, many of us also find the abject stupidityu of birthers to be highly amusing.

    3. Obama HAS coughed up his “bumpy birth certificate” as has been pointed out to you many, many times, and as you well know. Your inability to change your meaningless political rhetoric over such a plainly simple and obvious fact as this is one of the reasons we find birthers so tragiacally amusing, as pointed out in item two.

  248. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 11:19 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I think it is a fallacy to assign the “middle” into the category of doubters.If someone is not familiar with the issue, they may say “Barack Obama is probably born in the United States” based on the fact that US Presidents are generally believed to be required to be born in the United States.Someone like me who is familiar with the material, of course, is absolutely certain that Barack Obama was born in the United States. But someone who has not seen the COLB, the statement from the Hawaii health director, the newspaper birth announcements and the letter to the file from the Dunham FOIA might say “probably.” This doesn’t mean that they have doubts, but that they just haven’t looked into the matter.I just don’t think the less-committal response of “probably” equates to “have doubts.”Even among the negative responses, I wonder how many of them have actually looked at the facts available. My view is that with the facts available, there is no “reasonable doubt.” If that’s true then all the true doubters are unreasonable, and it would be a waste of time trying to sway them with additional evidence.Further I see no reason to think the uninformed doubters would move away from that category if an additional document were released. Their irrational doubter buddy would just say “it’s a fake” and nullify it.

    Dr. C,

    Maybe you are right. But maybe I am right. Either way, WHY HAVE A QUESTION??? Why not just cough up something bumpy into PUBLIC so that you know you have done ALL you reasonably can to end as many questions as possible?

    Maybe there is no “reasonable” doubt as you say. But that is just your guess. Whatever, there is “doubt.” That is what the CNN poll shows. And just like in any jury where the issue is “reasonable doubt” a good lawyer does everything she can to sway the jury one way or the other. Here, Obama HASN’T even come close to doing everything. He has barely done ANYTHING!

    What you Obots do, is you blame us QUESTIONERS (Birthers) for everything while you do not blame Obama for sitting like a bump on a Kenyan pickle for OVER TWO YEARS! He is not GOD, and you will not be sent to the Bad Place if you dare question his judgment.

    Plus nobody here has yet shown me any bad thing that would happen if he just decided to what is obvious, which is COUGH IT UP! You sure haven’t shown it would have been worse Tuesday for him!

    Why is there such hand-wringing among you Obots over this really simple thing????

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    (PS: I will not “Tee Hee!” you, because you are nice!)

  249. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 5, 2010 at 11:21 am #

    Reality Check: Mario has a brief post up http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/11/members-of-congress-memo-what-to-tell.htmlHe makes this comment:“Now we know why all the answers coming back to constituents sounded like they were written by the same person and were full of the same obfuscations and half truths and non-truths. This copy was obtained via the diligent and persistent efforts of a patriot going by the ID of “Bob1943‘ who obtained it from a Senator’s office. Now we know the talking points the DC insiders and politicians have been groomed with to feed to their constituents who have been asking questions about the eligibility issues. Thank you “Bob1943‘. ”There is a thread at The Fogbow now also: http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=5027Blackstone is mentioned 9 times in the document as an authority. This was in a footnote:“38 ” Blackstone’s Commentaries was widely circulated in the Colonies … ” Powell v. McCormack, 395 U.S. 486, 538 (1969).“Sir William Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765-1769) is the most important legal treatise ever written in the English language. It was the dominant lawbook in England and America in the century after its publication and played a unique role in the development of the fledgling American legal system.” William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England, [hereinafter Blackstone], Volume I, Of the Rights of Persons (1765) (Introduction at iii).”de Vattel is not mentioned at all.

    So Mario’s answer is lalala i cant hear you

  250. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 11:24 am #

    To Daniel:

    You said: “That is ridiculous. I, for instance, am a conservative libertarian, and I oppose many of Obama’s policies. I am in no way a fan of Obama. ”

    Oh. That explains it! You are happy if Obama screws up! Well then you need to keep on telling him to hang on to his bumpy birth certificate and not cough it up!

    I did not know you were soooo sneaky!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  251. avatar
    ballantine November 5, 2010 at 11:28 am #

    Reality Check: Mario has a brief post up http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/11/members-of-congress-memo-what-to-tell.htmlHe makes this comment:“Now we know why all the answers coming back to constituents sounded like they were written by the same person and were full of the same obfuscations and half truths and non-truths. This copy was obtained via the diligent and persistent efforts of a patriot going by the ID of “Bob1943‘ who obtained it from a Senator’s office. Now we know the talking points the DC insiders and politicians have been groomed with to feed to their constituents who have been asking questions about the eligibility issues. Thank you “Bob1943‘. ”<P

    I am sure we can expect a rebuttal with all his usual debunked arguments. Had to laugh when I browsed through one of the silly articles on his site. He quoted John Jay saying it makes sense to provide “a strong check against the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national Government…” and concludes that such means that any definition of “natural born” must provide the “strongest check possibe” against foreign influence. I guess in certain parts of Jersey, “strong check” translates into “strongest check possible.” I just can’t understand why these people keep losing in court.

  252. avatar
    Daniel November 5, 2010 at 11:30 am #

    SqueekyFromm:
    Dr. C,Maybe you are right. But maybe I am right. Either way, WHY HAVE A QUESTION??? Why not just cough up something bumpy into PUBLIC so that you know you have done ALL you reasonably can to end as many questions as possible?

    You are not right. That has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt by the preponderance of objective evidence.

    THERE IS NO QUESTION!!! except in the twisted minds of birthers, which is why it is more accurate to describe you as macaronicheesedinners than “questioners”. There is no longer any reason to question that 1+1=2 either, and anyone who insisted over and over that 1+1=Kenya and tried to get the courts to reopen that question 70 times and lost every time would be considered mad, and rightly so.

    Obama HAS done ALL he reasnoably can to end the issue, more so than any other President in History. He HAS coughed up his “bimpy” into public. The fact that you utterly refuse to see it is only proof that you are mad, and that anything Obama does further, if anything further were even possible, would be futile.

  253. avatar
    Black Lion November 5, 2010 at 11:30 am #

    Reality Check: Mario has a brief post up http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/11/members-of-congress-memo-what-to-tell.htmlHe makes this comment:“Now we know why all the answers coming back to constituents sounded like they were written by the same person and were full of the same obfuscations and half truths and non-truths. This copy was obtained via the diligent and persistent efforts of a patriot going by the ID of “Bob1943‘ who obtained it from a Senator’s office. Now we know the talking points the DC insiders and politicians have been groomed with to feed to their constituents who have been asking questions about the eligibility issues. Thank you “Bob1943‘. ”There is a thread at The Fogbow now also: http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=5027Blackstone is mentioned 9 times in the document as an authority. This was in a footnote:“38 ” Blackstone’s Commentaries was widely circulated in the Colonies … ” Powell v. McCormack, 395 U.S. 486, 538 (1969).“Sir William Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765-1769) is the most important legal treatise ever written in the English language. It was the dominant lawbook in England and America in the century after its publication and played a unique role in the development of the fledgling American legal system.” William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England, [hereinafter Blackstone], Volume I, Of the Rights of Persons (1765) (Introduction at iii).”de Vattel is not mentioned at all.

    So Marion is pretending that this document is just something that Congress made up to give his “patriots” the kiss off…So far no comments over at his site….I am curious to see how the birther faithful will spin this…Probably say that something about it not being a Court of law and imply that Congress has no clue about what the eligibility requirements really are….You know the birthers are masters at making up excuses…

  254. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 11:30 am #

    To Dr. Bob Ross:

    You said: “Apparently 3 might be a little right as people like you have shown themselves too stupid to believe the real thing or rather you don’t care about the real thing. This isn’t about Obama’s eligiblity for you and you know it. You have a problem that a black man beat a woman fair and square. You hate him for who he is. ”

    Like I teach Obots in the Group Therapy Sessions, when you point one finger at somebody else, then three fingers are pointing back at you. That is not just a cute saying. What you say tells more about your motivations than it does mine.

    Maybe you are not really interested in a simple resolution of a place of birth question because that would deprive you of a chance to participate in your personal myth where you are the Noble Warrior out fighting the Forces of Darkness like me??? I am sure that is fun for you, but if you like Obama it really sucks for him.

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/obot-group-therapy-session-with-dr-squeeky-fromm-week-6-meeting

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  255. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 5, 2010 at 11:35 am #

    SqueekyFromm: To Dr. Bob Ross:You said: “Apparently 3 might be a little right as people like you have shown themselves too stupid to believe the real thing or rather you don’t care about the real thing. This isn’t about Obama’s eligiblity for you and you know it. You have a problem that a black man beat a woman fair and square. You hate him for who he is. ”Like I teach Obots in the Group Therapy Sessions, when you point one finger at somebody else, then three fingers are pointing back at you. That is not just a cute saying. What you say tells more about your motivations than it does mine.Maybe you are not really interested in a simple resolution of a place of birth question because that would deprive you of a chance to participate in your personal myth where you are the Noble Warrior out fighting the Forces of Darkness like me??? I am sure that is fun for you, but if you like Obama it really sucks for him.http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/obot-group-therapy-session-with-dr-squeeky-fromm-week-6-meetingSqueeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Group therapy session? Tee hee that’s funny. You’re the only one here who regularly sees a therapist for extreme cognitive dissonance. You also continue to pay your therapist when the sessions are obviously not working.

    See that’s another problem with you crazy people. You think everyone else is your enemy. That’s a sign of paranoid schizophrenia which is obvious at this point that you have it. You have made it quite clear from the beginning you hate Obama because he beat Hillary fair and square. I find it funny that you supported hillary and yet she doesn’t support you. What was the reason for you wanting Hillary to win besides her being a woman? What other reasons to you have for attacking Obama other than him being a black man who beat hillary fair and square?

  256. avatar
    Daniel November 5, 2010 at 11:35 am #

    SqueekyFromm: Oh. That explains it! You are happy if Obama screws up! Well then you need to keep on telling him to hang on to his bumpy birth certificate and not cough it up!

    I did not know you were soooo sneaky!

    Do you see conspiracies everywhere, Squeeky? Oh wait, I forgot to whom I was speaking there for a minute.

    NO, I don’t hope Obama screws up, because like most sane people I realize that if he screws up, I pay. I’m not sure if you’ve ever paid taxes, so you may not understand that concept.

    However one can be in disagreement with the current policies of the executive branch, without resorting to ridiculous conspiracy theories, and without resorting to trying to abrogate the Constitution and the will of the people.

    Obama was elected by the will of the people, in accordance with the Constitution I hold dear. My disappointement with his performance in no way requires me to disrespect the office of the POTUS, the Republic, the People, or the Constitution.

    You might want to consider that.

    P.S. he HAS coughed it up

  257. avatar
    Daniel November 5, 2010 at 11:38 am #

    SqueekyFromm: What you say tells more about your motivations than it does mine.

    And the Irony meter goes OFF THE SCALE!!!!

  258. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 11:39 am #

    Daniel:
    You are not right. That has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt by the preponderance of objective evidence.THERE IS NO QUESTION!!! except in the twisted minds of birthers, which is why it is more accurate to describe you as macaronicheesedinners than “questioners”. There is no longer any reason to question that 1+1=2 either, and anyone who insisted over and over that 1+1=Kenya and tried to get the courts to reopen that question 70 times and lost every time would be considered mad, and rightly so.Obama HAS done ALL he reasnoably can to end the issue, more so than any other President in History. He HAS coughed up his “bimpy” into public. The fact that you utterly refuse to see it is only proof that you are mad, and that anything Obama does further, if anything further were even possible, would be futile.

    Daniel,

    If us Americans are the jury, than whether you think we are smart or TOTALLY STUPID, we still get to vote at the end of the day. Whether we are reasonable or un-reasonable we still get to vote. Which we did!!!

    Now, prior to the vote, there was a CNN poll. You can believe it or not believe it, or add whatever theory you have to it, but the simple reading of it scared the crap out of Chris Matthews, and delighted the crap out of me, but the question you have to answer is whether YOU and other Obots should be thinking some different thoughts or not.

    And NO, Obama clearly hasn’t done everything he could. Even other Obots wonder if he hasn’t to get political advantage. Lookit what Dr. C said above what his four reasons might be:

    1) Refusing to release the document increases the shrill cries of the lunatic fringe, causing embarrassment and distraction for the Republican Party.
    2) It is well known that refuting evidence increases the zeal of the true conspiracy theorist, and just makes them think the conspiracy is bigger than before.
    3) He doesn’t want to legitimize the birthers by acceding to their demands (rather he marginalizes them by making jokes).
    4) The first birth certificate had the opposite effect from resolving the questions. Fool me once…. Another way to look at this is that the first birth certificate answered all legitimate questions, and nothing will answer illegitimate questions.

    SEE! Those four reasons imply that Obama INTENTIONALLY HASN’T done everything he could, and for two of those reasons, for SLIMY political considerations.

    But, it didn’t work for him. Did it? I guess cheaters never win!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  259. avatar
    Daniel November 5, 2010 at 11:40 am #

    SqueekyFromm: Maybe you are not really interested in a simple resolution of a place of birth question because that would deprive you of a chance to participate in your personal myth where you are the Noble Warrior out fighting the Forces of Darkness like me???

    I’m going to hav e to start buying these Irony Meters in bulk….

  260. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 5, 2010 at 11:43 am #

    SqueekyFromm: Daniel,If us Americans are the jury, than whether you think we are smart or TOTALLY STUPID, we still get to vote at the end of the day. Whether we are reasonable or un-reasonable we still get to vote. Which we did!!!Now, prior to the vote, there was a CNN poll. You can believe it or not believe it, or add whatever theory you have to it, but the simple reading of it scared the crap out of Chris Matthews, and delighted the crap out of me, but the question you have to answer is whether YOU and other Obots should be thinking some different thoughts or not.And NO, Obama clearly hasn’t done everything he could. Even other Obots wonder if he hasn’t to get political advantage. Lookit what Dr. C said above what his four reasons might be:1) Refusing to release the document increases the shrill cries of the lunatic fringe, causing embarrassment and distraction for the Republican Party.2) It is well known that refuting evidence increases the zeal of the true conspiracy theorist, and just makes them think the conspiracy is bigger than before.3) He doesn’t want to legitimize the birthers by acceding to their demands (rather he marginalizes them by making jokes).4) The first birth certificate had the opposite effect from resolving the questions. Fool me once…. Another way to look at this is that the first birth certificate answered all legitimate questions, and nothing will answer illegitimate questions.SEE! Those four reasons imply that Obama INTENTIONALLY HASN’T done everything he could, and for two of those reasons, for SLIMY political considerations. But, it didn’t work for him. Did it? I guess cheaters never win!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Yes Cheaters never win and that explains why you and the rest of the birthers are still losers. You birthers lie about case law, lie about the constitution, forge documents, deceive your colleagues and it explains why you’re 0 for 70. Obama has done more than any other president. Why don’t you ask more from them?

  261. avatar
    Daniel November 5, 2010 at 11:49 am #

    SqueekyFromm: If us Americans are the jury, than whether you think we are smart or TOTALLY STUPID, we still get to vote at the end of the day. Whether we are reasonable or un-reasonable we still get to vote. Which we did!!!

    Yes you do. Every idiot and moron in the US does get a vote. The hope is that the reasonable people will outnumber the morons in sufficient quantity to make sure that we don’t end up with a government run by the inmatges.

    This election was a prime example of how that works. Despite the continuous blustering and dripping and moaning of the Birthers for over two years, you only managed to elect…. how many birther candidates? Oh yeah… ZERO.

    IN other words you are a lunatic fringe so much in the minority that you cannot even elect one candidate to support your cause. That’s also why you cannot manage to raise a rally with more than 2 dozen attendees (most of your rallys end up between 3 and 10 lol). That’s also why you have to continually misread and misrepresent that CNN poll you appeal to in order to prop up your delusion that you are more than just a lunatic fringe element.

    It’s also why you diodn’t really seem to get what Doc’s post was about.

  262. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 11:49 am #

    To Dr. Bob Ross:

    There are two kinds of people. Those who know they need therapy, and those who don’t know it. If you spend a whole bunch of time on the issue of “Where was the President born?” issues, and HAVEN’T considered the OBVIOUS answer of Obama coughing up his long form or a bumpy birth certificate into PUBLIC, then maybe you should go get a few sessions.

    Because you are having some sort of psychic resistance to crisis resolution. I call them the Crocodiles of Crisis Addiction in the Obot Group Therapy Sessions. You should read them.

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/obot-group-therapy-session-with-dr-squeeky-fromm-week-6-meeting

    All three sessions are at the link, so you can catch up!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 5, 2010 at 11:55 am #

    SqueekyFromm: To Dr. Bob Ross:There are two kinds of people. Those who know they need therapy, and those who don’t know it. If you spend a whole bunch of time on the issue of “Where was the President born?” issues, and HAVEN’T considered the OBVIOUS answer of Obama coughing up his long form or a bumpy birth certificate into PUBLIC, then maybe you should go get a few sessions. Because you are having some sort of psychic resistance to crisis resolution. I call them the Crocodiles of Crisis Addiction in the Obot Group Therapy Sessions. You should read them.http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/obot-group-therapy-session-with-dr-squeeky-fromm-week-6-meetingAll three sessions are at the link, so you can catch up!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Actually there’s a third, those who don’t need therapy. I remember when my parents had marriage problems my mom made my dad go to the therapist. He went a few sessions before the Dr looked at him and said “Mr G, I don’t understand why you’re coming here. You’re perfectly normal, you don’t need therapy. Your wife does.” And that was that. My mom made me go to one when I was younger. The same thing happened the therapist said there was no reason for me to be there. Obama has coughed up his birth certificate. It has been verified by the Director of the Department of Health who overseas the records. Any rational human being would say he was born in Hawaii and that has been verified more than any previous president.

    You have shown yourself to be irrational, paranoid, and schizophrenic. You have shown a disregard for what your therapist has told you to do and instead try to pretend you are the therapist. You wouldn’t even get through the coursework involved before showing how irrational you are and having to admit yourself to the psych ward.

    Your doctor is right you don’t think and have the mental capacities of a normal person. You form conspiracies, you don’t make reasonable connections but instead form conclusions based on what doctors call “Magical connections”. There is no crisis this has been resolved by Congress, the Supreme Court, the electorate, the Feds, and all rational americans.

  264. avatar
    Daniel November 5, 2010 at 11:57 am #

    SqueekyFromm: There are two kinds of people. Those who know they need therapy, and those who don’t know it. If you spend a whole bunch of time on the issue of “Where was the President born?” issues, and HAVEN’T considered the OBVIOUS answer of Obama coughing up his long form or a bumpy birth certificate into PUBLIC, then maybe you should go get a few sessions.

    Fallacy of false dichotomy. There are actually more than just the two types you allude to.

    There are, for instance, people who know they need therapy, but fail to realize that their pshychosis extends to the delusion of believeing that reasonable people are also in need of therapy, even though those people realize that the question has been answered, that the “bumpy” has been provided, that the verdict is in, and the matter is settled.

    Just because you realize you need therapy, dear Squeeky, doesn’t mean you are cured.

  265. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 12:01 pm #

    Daniel:

    I bet your Irony Meter is going off like crazy. But it is YOU who are setting it off, not me! If you are a Libertrarian, you should understand this. You are like government. Government thinks it is solving problems, when it is really the cause of them, or just make the problems worse. But the government never really sees that.

    Likewise, Obots think they are solving problems when they are really just making them worse. (Because it was probably us Birthers that caused it.) By refusing to advocate the simple answer, you make the problem worse.If there is a question about where somebody was born, then you COUGH UP a bumpy birth certificate or long form. DUH!

    You sure don’t spend two plus years fighting about something this stupid. You just solve it as much as you can. DUH!

    I wrote a really good INTERNET ARTICLE about “Ich bin ein Birther” which is based on something Pres. Kennedy said before he died and I saw on television. You should read it, and the Obama and Sarah Palin Intelligence debate that are both on greatwire:

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/ich-bin-ein-birther

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/obama-and-palin-square-off-in-an-intelligence-debate

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    Bovril November 5, 2010 at 12:06 pm #

    Dear Electra the Freaky,

    It appears as per usual, you are getting the tar whaled out of you by LOGIC (upper case as per your preference)

    In addition, as usual, you still fail to grasp a simple and fundamental FACT (upper case as per your usual)

    You and your ilk have for over 2 years attempted every possible legal and extra legal action to demonstrate to the world at large that the current POTUS is ineligible.

    You have FAILED, spectacularly, regularly and consistently to the count of over 70 legal cases.

    Each case has shown that you and your point of opinion are valueless, worthless and legally wholly insane.

    No off you trot and go back to the fetid swamp of Gretawire and lie some more about how wonderfully astute you are in the echo chamber of what passes for your tiny little mind.

    p.s. 27% is not 58% and 61 seats is not 65+ seats

    p.p.s. Your father is very very disappointed in your antics

  267. avatar
    dunstvangeet November 5, 2010 at 12:07 pm #

    There is no Long Form and Bumpy Birth Certificate, and it hasn’t been given for about 10 years.

    What you have, Squeeky, is “a valid Hawaii state birth certificate” released in picture form over the Internet. That birth certificate would be accepted by any government agency for verifying place of birth.

    You further have an independent fact-checking organization given access to take pictures of it, to prove that you it does have the fold-lines, and the seal. The fact that you believe that there is a form out there that would not be accepted proves nothing. Obama has shown a form that would be accepted by the State Department for proving citizenship for the passport. It would be accepted by the Defense Department for doing anything that they wanted. Furthermore, it would be accepted by any state DMV for getting other State official ID.

    You have never quite told me why this form is not good enough to prove place of birth to hold Federal Office, when the Federal Government accepts it to prove place of birth.

  268. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 12:08 pm #

    To Dr. Bob Ross:

    You said: “There is no crisis this has been resolved by Congress, the Supreme Court, the electorate, the Feds, and all rational americans.”

    Hmmmm. Then why are you here? Why are you arguing with me and other Birthers? Why are there 63,000 comments on this website, and stories and articles everyday. Why are people like Mr. Lakin probably going to prison at a cost of at least $23,876 per year.

    (I did an INTERNET ARTICLE on this too!)

    Why does a CNN poll show that a whole bunch of people have doubts about where Obama was born???

    Dr. Bob Ross, the first step to solving a problem, is admitting there is a problem.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  269. avatar
    Daniel November 5, 2010 at 12:11 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: I bet your Irony Meter is going off like crazy. But it is YOU who are setting it off, not me! If you are a Libertrarian, you should understand this. You are like government. Government thinks it is solving problems, when it is really the cause of them, or just make the problems worse. But the government never really sees that.

    Likewise, Obots think they are solving problems when they are really just making them worse. (Because it was probably us Birthers that caused it.) By refusing to advocate the simple answer, you make the problem worse.If there is a question about where somebody was born, then you COUGH UP a bumpy birth certificate or long form. DUH!

    So your only defense to my pointing out the irony of you delusions is “I know you are but what am I”?

    I guess that rates right up there with your other school yard defense of “SO THERE!”

    REally, Squeeky…. grow up.

    We don’t think we’re solving a problem, because there isn’t a problem to solve. The idea of a problem only exists in the delusions you birthers hold. You might as well say that we think we’re solving the problem of 1+1=kenya, but really we’re not doing anything about it. The reality is there is no problem. 1+1 does not equal Kenya, and Obama is eligibale.

    OUr refusal to give into your insane dripping and moaning does not equate to a problem, other than the mess on the floor after you are gone.

    And the “bumpy” HAS been coughed up, so…. no problem.

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    Daniel November 5, 2010 at 12:13 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Bob Ross, the first step to solving a problem, is admitting there is a problem.

    What is the first step for someone who insists there is a problem, where none exists?

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    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 12:14 pm #

    To duns:

    There is a PICTURE on the internet. If you like PICTURES on the internet, here are some:

    http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/10/obamas-first-grade-papers.html

    I just SWEAR they are real!

    But seriously, all Obots admit that if this ever went to court and didn’t get thrown out, all Obama would have to do is cough up a bumpy Birth Certificate. That’s it. Period. No internet pictures. No Jane Doe in Hawaii swearing she seen something. Just the bumpy Birth Certificate.

    What in the world is soooo bad about just doing that outside court??? They don’t cost but $10.

    It is the refusal to do the simple thing that is driving this whole thing.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  272. avatar
    Daniel November 5, 2010 at 12:15 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Then why are you here? Why are you arguing with me and other Birthers?

    That has also been answered for you, many, many times. It’s just one in a long list of things which you refuse to realize.

  273. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 12:16 pm #

    Daniel:
    What is the first step for someone who insists there is a problem, where none exists?

    Well, I think that would qualify for being a. . . PROBLEM!!!

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  274. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 5, 2010 at 12:19 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: To Dr. Bob Ross:You said: “There is no crisis this has been resolved by Congress, the Supreme Court, the electorate, the Feds, and all rational americans.”Hmmmm. Then why are you here? Why are you arguing with me and other Birthers? Why are there 63,000 comments on this website, and stories and articles everyday. Why are people like Mr. Lakin probably going to prison at a cost of at least $23,876 per year. (I did an INTERNET ARTICLE on this too!)Why does a CNN poll show that a whole bunch of people have doubts about where Obama was born???Dr. Bob Ross, the first step to solving a problem, is admitting there is a problem. Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Because this site as a whole deals with Citizenship laws which I have an interest in learning about. Doc has some great articles on the history of citizenship in this country, overseas, and how our laws came about.

    Now why exactly are you here?

    No the CNN poll shows that a small fringe minority have doubts. You adding up columns to reach some BS number shows you can’t count. If you take the word probably has having doubts then those who probably think he was born elsewhere must mean that they have doubts that they have doubts. That would be your logic in action.

    People like Lakin are going to jail because he disobeyed a direct legal order from a direct superior. Obama’s eligibility had no bearing on the case just as those who went to jail over the Iraq War had no bearing on their valid orders.

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    Daniel November 5, 2010 at 12:20 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: There is a PICTURE on the internet. If you like PICTURES on the internet, here are some:

    http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/10/obamas-first-grade-papers.html

    I just SWEAR they are real!

    But seriously, all Obots admit that if this ever went to court and didn’t get thrown out, all Obama would have to do is cough up a bumpy Birth Certificate. That’s it. Period. No internet pictures. No Jane Doe in Hawaii swearing she seen something. Just the bumpy Birth Certificate.

    What in the world is soooo bad about just doing that outside court??? They don’t cost but $10.

    It is the refusal to do the simple thing that is driving this whole thing.

    Again, this has been explained to you many, many times.

    The pictures you show are in no way equivalent to the BC to which you refer.

    The BC Obama showed was independantly verified by both unbiased investigators, who handled the “bumpy” as you call it, and by Government officials. Your pictures were not.

    And as usual I’m left having to ask the obvious question, which YOU have consistently failed to answer (what are YOU hiding, Squeeky?), whcih is, if you won’t accept a picture, do you actually expect the President of the United States of America to get in his car and drive around to your house, and show you the “bumpy” personally?

    Are you going to answer that question ever, Squeeky?

  276. avatar
    Daniel November 5, 2010 at 12:22 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: m, where none exists?

    SqueekyFromm:
    Well, I think that would qualify for being a. . . PROBLEM!!!

    Yes it would be YOUR problem, not ours.

    Your personal problems do not constitute a national Constitutional crisis.

  277. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 5, 2010 at 12:22 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: To duns:There is a PICTURE on the internet. If you like PICTURES on the internet, here are some:http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/10/obamas-first-grade-papers.htmlI just SWEAR they are real!But seriously, all Obots admit that if this ever went to court and didn’t get thrown out, all Obama would have to do is cough up a bumpy Birth Certificate. That’s it. Period. No internet pictures. No Jane Doe in Hawaii swearing she seen something. Just the bumpy Birth Certificate.What in the world is soooo bad about just doing that outside court??? They don’t cost but $10. It is the refusal to do the simple thing that is driving this whole thing.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Actually no they wouldn’t even have to cough up the BC again as he already had a copy. They could just have the Director of the Department of Health state in court that she has seen the records and Obama is a natural born citizen according to the law. Her statement alone would be enough proof. Now what proof do you have to the contrary? She was not a Jane Doe she is the Director of the Department of Health who overseas the birth records. Her statement is in her authority as Director and would hold up in court. She also said Obama posted that scan of his birth certificate. You lost you continue to be stupid.

  278. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 12:31 pm #

    Daniel:

    The last time I was here, I answered that question a million times, and Obots still kept asking it over and over like they were not able to read and understand things. I will try again, for you. But wait and see if I don’t get asked it another hundred times.

    I would be satisfied if Obama made the bumpy copy available to whoever wanted to see it, not just the whoever group wherever. Maybe order up a hundred of them, and pass them around the country, or to a lot of different reporters.

    I would be satisfied if Obama signed a power of attorney permitting Hawaii to release a bumpy copy to whoever wanted one, as long as the person paid all the costs.

    I don’t think he needs to mail one to every citizen, and that is just stupid Obot disassembling to say that.

    Read the Intelligence Debate Internet Article I did. This whole thing is just common sense if you Obots would quit being so stubborn and unreasonable.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    Majority Will November 5, 2010 at 12:33 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Now why exactly are you here?

    She’s a terribly lonely troll with low self-esteem issues. She would just as soon argue about obesity and obsessions with impressing strangers.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 5, 2010 at 12:35 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Daniel:The last time I was here, I answered that question a million times, and Obots still kept asking it over and over like they were not able to read and understand things. I will try again, for you. But wait and see if I don’t get asked it another hundred times.I would be satisfied if Obama made the bumpy copy available to whoever wanted to see it, not just the whoever group wherever. Maybe order up a hundred of them, and pass them around the country, or to a lot of different reporters.I would be satisfied if Obama signed a power of attorney permitting Hawaii to release a bumpy copy to whoever wanted one, as long as the person paid all the costs.I don’t think he needs to mail one to every citizen, and that is just stupid Obot disassembling to say that.Read the Intelligence Debate Internet Article I did. This whole thing is just common sense if you Obots would quit being so stubborn and unreasonable.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    IRONY ALERT. Apparently you didn’t answer it well enough so what is it you’re trying to hide. Maybe you were born in Kenya? Who is going to pay for your boondoggle? What if people want multiple copies? How many people should we assign specifically to this? Would you want your taxes increased to pay for this program?

  281. avatar
    Bovril November 5, 2010 at 12:35 pm #

    Electra the Freaky

    Answer Daniels question theres a good girl, or do you have something to hide?

    p.s. 27% is not 58% and 61 seats is not 65+ seats

    p.p.s. Your father is and remains very very disappointed in your antics

  282. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 12:38 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    Actually no they wouldn’t even have to cough up the BC again as he already had a copy.They could just have the Director of the Department of Health state in court that she has seen the records and Obama is a natural born citizen according to the law.Her statement alone would be enough proof.Now what proof do you have to the contrary?She was not a Jane Doe she is the Director of the Department of Health who overseas the birth records.Her statement is in her authority as Director and would hold up in court.She also said Obama posted that scan of his birth certificate.You lost you continue to be stupid.

    Dr. Bob Ross,

    That is a very nice statement. Did it work out the way you thought it would? Did all of us believe it and went away satisfied? Because if we didn’t, then you have to deal with REALITY!

    The simple REALITY is, IT DIDN’T WORK! That is why you are here today, and all the other days arguing with people about it. A big part of MENTAL HEALTHINESS is the ability to DEAL WITH REALITY. Which you are not!

    Sooo, why not just quit being stubborn, and get you a Obot Plan B – like “Cough it up!!!

    Or, you can continue living in denial. Your choice.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  283. avatar
    Majority Will November 5, 2010 at 12:40 pm #

    Daniel: Yes it would be YOUR problem, not ours.Your personal problems do not constitute a national Constitutional crisis.

    I think at some point arguing continuously with someone who is mentally ill loses its entertainment value.

    JMNSHO.

  284. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 12:41 pm #

    To Bovilexia:

    We simply disagree about where to stick the “probably born in the U.S” people. I think they go with the doubters, like Chris Matthews does. Dr. C and others think they should go with the “Definitely Born in the U.S.” people.

    This is a matter of opinion, and I submit that my analysis is just as valid as yours! And probably better!!!

    SO THERE!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  285. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 5, 2010 at 12:42 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Bob Ross,That is a very nice statement. Did it work out the way you thought it would? Did all of us believe it and went away satisfied? Because if we didn’t, then you have to deal with REALITY!The simple REALITY is, IT DIDN’T WORK! That is why you are here today, and all the other days arguing with people about it. A big part of MENTAL HEALTHINESS is the ability to DEAL WITH REALITY. Which you are not!Sooo, why not just quit being stubborn, and get you a Obot Plan B – like “Cough it up!!!Or, you can continue living in denial. Your choice.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    You have already stated that nothing he could do would work with you. You hate him because he beat Hillary. Someone you supported not because of her platform but because she’s a woman. You stated you don’t trust the government, you don’t trust the department of health in Hawaii. Any document they release you would still deny is real. I’m not the one living in denial Obama is President, he will serve out his term and most likely be re-elected, Hillary Clinton doesn’t want anything to do with you, your dad was disappointed in you. These are facts.

  286. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 12:43 pm #

    To Majority Will:

    I submit you are just getting stressed out because somebody DARES to disagree with you. Do you ever re-arrange the furniture in your house? Just curious.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  287. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 5, 2010 at 12:44 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: To Bovilexia:We simply disagree about where to stick the “probably born in the U.S” people. I think they go with the doubters, like Chris Matthews does. Dr. C and others think they should go with the “Definitely Born in the U.S.” people.This is a matter of opinion, and I submit that my analysis is just as valid as yours! And probably better!!!SO THERE!!!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    And what about those who say he probably wasn’t born in the US does this mean its a double negative and they’re doubting their doubt?

  288. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 12:46 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    You have already stated that nothing he could do would work with you.You hate him because he beat Hillary.Someone you supported not because of her platform but because she’s a woman.You stated you don’t trust the government, you don’t trust the department of health in Hawaii.Any document they release you would still deny is real.I’m not the one living in denial Obama is President, he will serve out his term and most likely be re-elected, Hillary Clinton doesn’t want anything to do with you, your dad was disappointed in you.These are facts.

    Dr. Bob Ross,

    Now you are just throwing stones. Why don’t you try dealing with the issue of Obama just coughing up the long form, or bumpy birth certificate. Trust me, here. Life as you know it won’t come to an end if he does.

    Some of us will believe it. Some won’t. But he will have done something which he should have a long time ago. And there will be less of us.

    DARE TO DREAM!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  289. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 5, 2010 at 12:48 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Bob Ross,Now you are just throwing stones. Why don’t you try dealing with the issue of Obama just coughing up the long form, or bumpy birth certificate. Trust me, here. Life as you know it won’t come to an end if he does.Some of us will believe it. Some won’t. But he will have done something which he should have a long time ago. And there will be less of us. DARE TO DREAM!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    I’m not throwing stones I’m talking about reality. You won’t believe it. You’ve already stated you wouldn’t believe it so what is the point in trying to get something the state of Hawaii no longer releases (long form)?

  290. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 12:53 pm #

    Dr. Bob Ross,

    The longer Obama goes without coughing something up, the guiltier he looks. Plus, the more mentally disturbed he looks. We’re going on 2 1/2 years since July 13, 2008. Obama has just been soundly spanked and neutered.

    I’m happy! Are you?

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  291. avatar
    Majority Will November 5, 2010 at 1:20 pm #

    Hey Doc. Perhaps, the birther troll SqueekyFromm should get her own thread?

    It could be called the Birthers with OCD Forum.

    Just a thought. Tee frickin’ hee.

  292. avatar
    ellid November 5, 2010 at 1:26 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Daniel:The last time I was here, I answered that question a million times, and Obots still kept asking it over and over like they were not able to read and understand things. I will try again, for you. But wait and see if I don’t get asked it another hundred times.I would be satisfied if Obama made the bumpy copy available to whoever wanted to see it, not just the whoever group wherever. Maybe order up a hundred of them, and pass them around the country, or to a lot of different reporters.I would be satisfied if Obama signed a power of attorney permitting Hawaii to release a bumpy copy to whoever wanted one, as long as the person paid all the costs.I don’t think he needs to mail one to every citizen, and that is just stupid Obot disassembling to say that.Read the Intelligence Debate Internet Article I did. This whole thing is just common sense if you Obots would quit being so stubborn and unreasonable.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    You have answered nothing. All you have done is prove that you are either mentally ill or an annoying performance artist. Either way, it’s revolting.

  293. avatar
    Dave November 5, 2010 at 1:31 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: The longer Obama goes without coughing something up, the guiltier he looks. Plus, the more mentally disturbed he looks. We’re going on 2 1/2 years since July 13, 2008. Obama has just been soundly spanked and neutered.
    I’m happy! Are you?

    Are you politely disregarding that the President’s birth certificate was released two years ago? I’m not sure any coughing was involved, was the coughing part important?

    And yes, I’m pretty happy. It’s like we’re sharing Congress. Like with my kids, I hope but don’t actually expect there will be nice sharing.

  294. avatar
    Rickey November 5, 2010 at 1:31 pm #

    Majority Will: Hey Doc. Perhaps, the birther troll SqueekyFromm should get her own thread?It could be called the Birthers with OCD Forum.Just a thought. Tee frickin’ hee.

    That’s not a bad idea, but a better one is to just ignore her and she will go away. She needs attention, and responding to her just encourages her.

  295. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 5, 2010 at 1:41 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Dr. Bob Ross,The longer Obama goes without coughing something up, the guiltier he looks. Plus, the more mentally disturbed he looks. We’re going on 2 1/2 years since July 13, 2008. Obama has just been soundly spanked and neutered. I’m happy! Are you?Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Not even close. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty. By your definition every previous president looks guilty because they didn’t even have a way to show the public their birth certificate and yet Obama did. You are projecting you’re the one looking mentally disturbed not the President. Obama isn’t spanked or neutered. The party who holds the White House usually loses a chamber during the midterms. You’re not happy you’ve shown that youre not.

  296. avatar
    Daniel November 5, 2010 at 1:48 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Chris Matthews may call us names, but he takes us seriously. Sooo, I emailed him and maybe he will say something on his television show.

    So…… any word from Chris Matthews? I don’t recall him mentioning you at all in his last show. Are you sure you got the email right?

    LOL /derision on

  297. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 1:57 pm #

    Dr. Bob Ross:

    That is true about guilty/innocent. I will be sure to remember that next time I am on a jury! The next time I vote, I will just vote for who I like best! That will be people who don’t pull KISS on me! The other 27%-58% minus me, will probably do the same thing!

    To Daniel:

    No, Chris Matthews didn’t. I even watched his second show just in case he decided to add it at the last minute, but he didn’t. I will try him again.

    To Dave:

    I am glad you are happy too! Plus, he released a PICTURE on the internet. There are PICTURES on the INTERNET at my website, too! I just SWEAR they are true!!!

    http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/10/obamas-first-grade-papers.html

    To Ricky:

    Blah!!! (that’s my tongue stuck out!!!) So There!!!

    But, I am going shopping!!! I will talk to all you Obots later, if you want. Try to behave yourselves until then!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  298. avatar
    Bovril November 5, 2010 at 2:18 pm #

    Folks,

    At this point the whole Squeeky-Freaky, TEE-HEE, daddy issues posts in this thread really has run it’s course. Moved from mildly amusing to extremely sad and pathetic

    May I suggest, as per several earlier suggestions we simply ignore He/She/It?

    It’s not as if it ever has either facts or a new stance to contribute and simply exemplifies the troll writ large and gravid.

    At least Sven has had the dubious merit of adding a new episode of Barry and the Pirates periodically.

    If anyone really wants to engage with Jeniffer4Hillary there is plenty of opportunity for that over at Gretawire.

    I for one will not abuse the good Dr’s time and patience by feeding the lard assed troll here further.

    Suggestion, YMMV

  299. avatar
    dunstvangeet November 5, 2010 at 2:38 pm #

    Squeeky…

    1. Obama had the birth certificate at his campaign headquarters for anybody to see. He allowed a reliable fact-checking group verify the birth certificate, and take photos on it. That reliable fact-checking group is the only group that went to the campaign headquarters and saw it. Now, you want Obama to do something that would indicate the Hawaii Department of Health with requests from a bunch of idiots who don’t even know what a real birth certificate actually looks like!

    My question to you is still…

    You’ve already indicated that you would not accept a government statement, because the government lies. So, why would you accept a document that is certified by that same government?

    My question to you is why should Obama do anything else? He’s already the President of the United States, and not one person who actively questions his birth certificate would ever consider voting for him. So, why should Obama spend one single moment pandering to a bunch of people that would never consider voting for him in the first place?

    Furthermore, Obama previously has shown his birth certificate. He released it through the normal channels, and the people called it a fraud, a forgery, and mistakenly thought that it would not prove anything. The Hawaii Department of Health later came out and said directly, “Obama was born in Hawaii.” The people “questioning” this birth then said, “The Hawaii Department of Health lies” and stated false facts to try to discount what the Hawaii Department of Health actually said. These people do not know what a real birth certificate actually looks like, nor do they care. They are using this as an excuse to be against the scary black man in the White House.

    Why should Obama do anything else in the hopes that this group acts a completely different way than what they’ve acted before? Didn’t Einstein define insanity as doing the same thing over and expecting a different result?

  300. avatar
    Majority Will November 5, 2010 at 2:44 pm #

    Bovril: Folks,At this point the whole Squeeky-Freaky, TEE-HEE, daddy issues posts in this thread really has run it’s course. Moved from mildly amusing to extremely sad and patheticMay I suggest, as per several earlier suggestions we simply ignore He/She/It?It’s not as if it ever has either facts or a new stance to contribute and simply exemplifies the troll writ large and gravid.At least Sven has had the dubious merit of adding a new episode of Barry and the Pirates periodically.If anyone really wants to engage with Jeniffer4Hillary there is plenty of opportunity for that over at Gretawire.I for one will not abuse the good Dr’s time and patience by feeding the lard assed troll here further.Suggestion, YMMV

    Hear, hear.

  301. avatar
    Black Lion November 5, 2010 at 3:18 pm #

    Hilarious thread over at GW…Someone made the claim that Barack Obama Sr. was a member of the CIA….

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/shocking-14-page-memo-to-congress-on-how-to-answer-constituents-that-question?replies=19

    They cite the discredited Wayne Madsen report as evidence…

    The Story of Obama: All in The Company (In Three Parts)

    Wayne Madsen
    Wayne Madsen Report
    August 18, 2010

    PART 1: The Story of Obama: All in The Company (Part I)

    Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen has discovered CIA files that document the agency’s connections to institutions and individuals figuring prominently in the lives of Barack Obama and his mother, father, grandmother, and stepfather. The first part of his report highlights the connections between Barack Obama, Sr. and the CIA-sponsored operations in Kenya to counter rising Soviet and Chinese influence among student circles and, beyond, to create conditions obstructing the emergence of independent African leaders.

    From 1983-84, Barack Obama worked as Editor at Business Internation Corporation, a Business International Corporation, a known CIA front company. President Obama’s own work in 1983 for Business International Corporation, a CIA front that conducted seminars with the world’s most powerful leaders and used journalists as agents abroad, dovetails with CIA espionage activities conducted by his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham in 1960s post-coup Indonesia on behalf of a number of CIA front operations, including the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and the Ford Foundation. Dunham met and married Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s stepfather, at the East-West Center in 1965. Soetoro was recalled to Indonesia in 1965 to serve as a senior army officer and assist General Suharto and the CIA in the bloody overthrow of President Sukarno.

    Barack Obama, Sr., who met Dunham in 1959 in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaii, had been part of what was described as an airlift of 280 East African students to the United States to attend various colleges — merely “aided” by a grant from the Joseph P. Kennedy Foundation, according to a September 12, 1960, Reuters report from London. The airlift was a CIA operation to train and indoctrinate future agents of influence in Africa, which was becoming a battleground between the United States and the Soviet Union and China for influence among newly-independent and soon-to-be independent countries on the continent.

    (continues…..)

  302. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 3:41 pm #

    To duns:

    You said:
    ——————————————————————————————-
    1) My question to you is why should Obama do anything else? He’s already the President of the United States, and not one person who actively questions his birth certificate would ever consider voting for him.

    2) Furthermore, Obama previously has shown his birth certificate. He released it through the normal channels, and the people called it a fraud, a forgery, and mistakenly thought that it would not prove anything.

    3) Why should Obama do anything else in the hopes that this group acts a completely different way than what they’ve acted before? Didn’t Einstein define insanity as doing the same thing over and expecting a different result?
    ———————————————————–

    My answers:

    1a) He doesn’t HAVE to do anything. He can go ahead with 27%-58% having some degree of doubt where he was born.

    1b) You don’t know that no one would believe it, You ASSUME no one would believe it, but doesn’t that say more about YOU, than US??? I would point out that some people believe the two newspaper thingies. I don’t but some do. Some believe whats-her-name in Hawaii. Soooo, maybe some would believe a bumpy birth certificate in PUBLIC.

    But MORE IMPORTANTLY, what would it hurt??? HUH??? Do you really think people are NOT going to vote for him if he’s American???

    2) I don’t know what “normal channels” are. He put a PICTURE on the internet. Maybe that should have been enough, but IF IT WASN’T what is he supposed to do? Nothing the rest of his life? Maybe people should have believed Nixon, the president, too that he didn’t break in anywhere. But they didn’t, and WOW, HE DID after all!!! Imagine that!!! Nixon just PLAIN LIED!!!

    3) Who is Einstein talking about, YOU or US??? Maybe it is US. BUT, maybe it is you Obots who keep on making up reasons not to just do the simple thing, and cough up a bumpy copy into PUBLIC! I mean you haven’t done it now for almost 2 1/2 years, and lookit, there are 27% to 58% who have some doubt about where Obama was born.

    Soooo, really, who is it Einstein is talking about. I am HONEST enough to admit it might be US. Why don’t you be honest and admit that it might be YOU!

    To Bovilexia and MWill: Oh sure you want to fight over at gretawire where you have a lot of Obots to help you! But look at me. I just come here by myself and fight you. I don’t bring a lot of other Birthers over here to mess with you. I behave myself the WHOLE TWO TIMES I have been here. I just stay on ONE THREAD and don’t try to mess up all of yours.

    OH, Wait! I forgot. I am housebroken! You just can’t stand somebody NOT thinking like you. It takes you out of your “comfort zone.”

    SO THERE!!! to Bovilexia and MWill, but not Duns who was nice.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  303. avatar
    Bovril November 5, 2010 at 3:56 pm #

    BL,

    So we now go from Obama as the James Bond like figure who brought down the Russians in the ‘Stan to a family business as members of the CIA…?

    Since officers in the CIA have to be US citizens, oodles of background checks etc etc, wouldn’t that make them a profoundly patriotic and ‘Merkan family with NBC status up the wazoo…?

    So nice to have a refreshing chat without a gnat like whine isn’t it?

  304. avatar
    Daniel November 5, 2010 at 3:57 pm #

    Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Birther in such a way that someone won’t mistake for the genuine article.

    With apologies to Nathan Poe

  305. avatar
    misha November 5, 2010 at 3:59 pm #

    Here’s the message my cousin in the Mossad passed on to me, about Obama’s father was an Ethiopian Jew. You have been warned:

    ืฉืžืข ื™ืฉืจืืœ ื™ื”ื•ื” ืืœื”ื™ืื• ื™ื”ื•ื” ืื—ื“

    ืืชื” ื˜ื™ืคืฉ

  306. avatar
    Majority Will November 5, 2010 at 4:00 pm #

    Black Lion: Hilarious thread over at GW…Someone made the claim that Barack Obama Sr. was a member of the CIA….http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/shocking-14-page-memo-to-congress-on-how-to-answer-constituents-that-question?replies=19They cite the discredited Wayne Madsen report as evidence…The Story of Obama: All in The Company (In Three Parts)Wayne Madsen
    Wayne Madsen Report
    August 18, 2010PART 1: The Story of Obama: All in The Company (Part I)Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen has discovered CIA files that document the agency’s connections to institutions and individuals figuring prominently in the lives of Barack Obama and his mother, father, grandmother, and stepfather. The first part of his report highlights the connections between Barack Obama, Sr. and the CIA-sponsored operations in Kenya to counter rising Soviet and Chinese influence among student circles and, beyond, to create conditions obstructing the emergence of independent African leaders.From 1983-84, Barack Obama worked as Editor at Business Internation Corporation, a Business International Corporation, a known CIA front company. President Obama’s own work in 1983 for Business International Corporation, a CIA front that conducted seminars with the world’s most powerful leaders and used journalists as agents abroad, dovetails with CIA espionage activities conducted by his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham in 1960s post-coup Indonesia on behalf of a number of CIA front operations, including the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and the Ford Foundation. Dunham met and married Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s stepfather, at the East-West Center in 1965. Soetoro was recalled to Indonesia in 1965 to serve as a senior army officer and assist General Suharto and the CIA in the bloody overthrow of President Sukarno.Barack Obama, Sr., who met Dunham in 1959 in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaii, had been part of what was described as an airlift of 280 East African students to the United States to attend various colleges — merely “aided” by a grant from the Joseph P. Kennedy Foundation, according to a September 12, 1960, Reuters report from London. The airlift was a CIA operation to train and indoctrinate future agents of influence in Africa, which was becoming a battleground between the United States and the Soviet Union and China for influence among newly-independent and soon-to-be independent countries on the continent.(continues…..)

    And George W. Bush’s father was director of what agency from January 30, 1976 to January 20, 1977?

    /end rhetorical question

    And please ignore the troll.

    Thread hijacking is annoying and more pointless than most birther stupidity.

  307. avatar
    Majority Will November 5, 2010 at 4:03 pm #

    misha: Here’s the message my cousin in the Mossad passed on to me, about Obama’s father was an Ethiopian Jew. You have been warned:ืฉืžืข ื™ืฉืจืืœ ื™ื”ื•ื” ืืœื”ื™ืื• ื™ื”ื•ื” ืื—ื“ืืชื” ื˜ื™ืคืฉ

    That message is certainly by the Numbers.

    ืึฒืึ´ื™ ื™ึฐื”ื•ึธื” ืึฑืœึนื”ึตื™ื›ึถื, ืึฒืฉึถืืจ ื”ื•ึนื¦ึตืืชึ´ื™ ืึถืชึฐื›ึถื ืžึตืึถืจึถืฅ ืžึ´ื¦ึฐืจึทื™ึ´ื, ืœึ´ื”ึฐื™ื•ึนืช ืœึธื›ึถื, ืœึตืืœึนื”ึ´ื™ื: ืึฒืึ´ื™, ื™ึฐื”ื•ึธื” ืึฑืœึนื”ึตื™ื›ึถื.

  308. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 5, 2010 at 4:14 pm #

    Majority Will: That message is certainly by the Numbers.ืึฒืึ´ื™ ื™ึฐื”ื•ึธื” ืึฑืœึนื”ึตื™ื›ึถื, ืึฒืฉึถืืจ ื”ื•ึนื¦ึตืืชึ´ื™ ืึถืชึฐื›ึถื ืžึตืึถืจึถืฅ ืžึ´ื¦ึฐืจึทื™ึ´ื, ืœึ´ื”ึฐื™ื•ึนืช ืœึธื›ึถื, ืœึตืืœึนื”ึ´ื™ื: ืึฒืึ´ื™, ื™ึฐื”ื•ึธื” ืึฑืœึนื”ึตื™ื›ึถื.

    Looks klingon to me

  309. avatar
    misha November 5, 2010 at 4:18 pm #

    misha: ืืชื” ื˜ื™ืคืฉ

    This is the confirmation about Obama’s father:

    ืืชื” ื˜ื™ืคืฉ

  310. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 4:26 pm #

    To Majority Will:

    Well here is what I cut and pasted from you above:
    ———————————————————————————————–
    Majority Will November 5, 2010 at 4:00 pm Majority Will(Quote) #

    And please ignore the troll.

    Thread hijacking is annoying and more pointless than most birther stupidity.

    ———————————————————————————————–

    I think you should ignore what Bovilexia says about coming to gretawire. Because your friends do a lot of that “troll” stuff and “thread hijacking” there. I will save your cut and paste and as they do more of it at gretawire, I will remind them of your wise words!

    And, you can keep on ignoring people who disagree with you. If you are lucky, you will never have to have another new thought the rest of your life! Wouldn’t that be fun!!!

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  311. avatar
    misha November 5, 2010 at 4:33 pm #

    Squeeky/Jennifer:

    I am serious about the Mossad. That’s why I posted the actual Hebrew message. Ignore at your peril.

    ืฉืžืข ื™ืฉืจืืœ ื™ื”ื•ื” ืืœื”ื™ืื• ื™ื”ื•ื” ืื—ื“

    ืืชื” ื˜ื™ืคืฉ

  312. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 5, 2010 at 5:01 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: The longer Obama goes without coughing something up, the guiltier he looks

    Guilty of what, exactly?

    Whether he looks guilty of “something” very much depends on your point of view. You listed 4 reasons you thought Obama wasn’t releasing a birth certificate that make him look bad. I listed 4 reasons that make Obama look good.

    In my mind his refusal to acknowledge a political fringe movement is a mark of a savvy politician and a mature person. The longer Obama goes without bending to that crowd, the more Presidential he looks, and the stronger a leader he becomes.

    So there are two ways of looking at this. Folks from your camp have already rejected ample proof that the President was born in Hawaii (I listed 4 proofs before) and are unlikely to accept anything else. I consider your demands to be ingenuous.

  313. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 5:02 pm #

    To Misha:

    I saw that, and it looked like a trick. Sooo, I was trying not to be a “Gull E. Bull” for what is probably “Squeeky is a Idiot” in jewish or something. Plus don’t you have to read it backwards or something???

    Sooo, is it safe to try to translate??? I used “google” last night to translate Poor Fut’s new logical fallacy into Latin:

    Questiones in Universo totidem responsiones!

    Be honest!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  314. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 5, 2010 at 5:08 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Sooo, is it safe to try to translate???

    I do not think it will harm your computer. When copying/pasting be sure to start from the upper right instead of the usual upper left. And it’s Hebrew, not Jewish.

  315. avatar
    misha November 5, 2010 at 5:13 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: When copying/pasting be sure to start from the upper right instead of the usual upper left. And it’s Hebrew, not Jewish.

    That’s correct. It’s Hebrew, not Yiddish. Yiddish is sometimes called “Jewish.” Yiddish, Hebrew and Arabic are written right to left, the opposite of Roman languages.

  316. avatar
    misha November 5, 2010 at 5:16 pm #

    One more note: Hebrew and Arabic are sister languages. The alphabets are different, but the words are similar. Yiddish is based on middle German.

  317. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 5:16 pm #

    To Dr. C:

    I thought I was ingenious, too! (LOL!)

    But what you say is maybe true. Here is what I see. If it is 1% or 2% then that is fringe. If it is 27% to 58%, then that is not “fringe.”

    Now, where in between is it something you address??? I don’t think there is a absolute point, but is a matter of opinion. And for how long and for what does the answer take are also factors. I think 2 1/2 years is WAY TOO LONG! Plus, the answer here for reasonable people is pretty simple, Its a $10 bumpy birth certificate.

    Soooo, now add those factors up. Probably a good percent of doubters + 2 1/2 years of nothing + an easy answer = W(hy)TF is he still doing nothing????

    That is the way I look at it. Now, I might be wrong, because this is a matter of opinion thing not a SCIENCE CHEMISTRY TEST thing. But I do not think I am just totally not logical or anything. And, you might be wrong, too, because it is a matter of opinion.

    Soooo, there is one more factor, that is what’s the down side??? I don’t think there is one, but you think maybe it makes him look weak. OK. I don’t agree, but I can see your point. But what do you think Tuesday did to him??? Do you think getting your pants beat off you makes you look strong??? if I was him, I sure wouldn’t take the chance of continuing to not do nothing.

    Plus, to believe what I believe sure isn’t some sort of HEAVY DUTY STUPID or anything. It seems logical to me.

    Plus, if Obama paid me, I could sure write him a speech or figure out a way to get a bumpy birth certificate out in PUBLIC without looking weak.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  318. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 5, 2010 at 5:20 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: I thought I was ingenious, too! (LOL!)

    Ingenuous, not ingenious.

    I do not think any part of the Democrat’s loss on Tuesday can be traced to the birth certificate. In the words of Bill Clinton: “it’s the economy, stupid.”

  319. avatar
    Majority Will November 5, 2010 at 5:27 pm #

    A Birther’s Birthday Card For Obama:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/04/a-birthers-birthday-card_n_670409.html

  320. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 5:44 pm #

    To MWill:

    That is a funny card! I wonder what it says on the inside??? Maybe:

    Roses are red.
    The jungle is Green!
    Kenya is proud
    If you know what I mean!

    To Dr. C:

    Maybe it was just the economy. Personally, I don’t think I would take the chance if I was him. Somehow, if 42% of the country definitely thought I was born here, I would be worrying about the other 58%. Do you think Chris Matthews was just being silly???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  321. avatar
    misha November 5, 2010 at 5:48 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: I wonder what it says on the inside???

    It says this:

    ืืชื” ื˜ื™ืคืฉ

  322. avatar
    Majority Will November 5, 2010 at 5:49 pm #

    misha:
    It says this:ืืชื” ื˜ื™ืคืฉ

    lmao

  323. avatar
    dunstvangeet November 5, 2010 at 5:54 pm #

    SqueekyFromm1a) He doesn’t HAVE to do anything. He can go ahead with 27%-58% having some degree of doubt where he was born.

    Most of who wouldn’t vote, and wouldn’t vote for him anyways.

    1b) You don’t know that no one would believe it, You ASSUME no one would believe it, but doesn’t that say more about YOU, than US??? I would point out that some people believe the two newspaper thingies. I don’t but some do. Some believe whats-her-name in Hawaii. Soooo, maybe some would believe a bumpy birth certificate in PUBLIC.

    Actually, we do know. We’ve seen time and time again as these things are released that the birthers find some reason to not believe it. The birth certificate is released, held at his campaign headquarters where he invites anybody to come and see it, and the people who are actively against it yell, “Forgery”. Then we see that these people are parsing the words of Cerome Fukino and Janice Okubo to say that they didn’t actually say that Obama was born in Hawaii, and then call them liars. Then they state that it doesn’t matter, because the birth certificate doesn’t actually prove anything because they gave these birth certificates out to anybody, including those not born in the state. We’ve seen, over the last two years, these same people accuse Barack Obama’s mother and grandmother of committing felonies, just to prevent them from saying that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. They of course have no evidence that they did this, but it is done anyways. Then they believe anything, including things that come from a convicted forger, but they’ll believe nothing that comes from an actual government. Furthermore, we’ve heard time and time again, that if Barack Obama would just release one more thing, this thing would be over. They said it before the birth certificate was released, and it didn’t do anything when he actually did release his birth certificate.

    Furthermore, these birthers have already stated that they would not be satisfied with any release of just the Long-Form (which Hawaii has already stated that they don’t give out). We’ve seen birther lists that demand that Obama release his kindergarten records to prove that he’s a Natural Born Citizen. I’m sorry if I do not believe that the birthers would all of a sudden act a different way and say, “you know, I know that I said that we wanted his college records, and his kindergarten records, but now that he’s released this document, we’ll act in completely the opposite way, and say that Obama was born in the United States.”

    Then even if that does happen, the Birthers already have theories out there that violate the very tenaments of the U.S. Legal System. They already have been stating that even if Obama was born in Hawaii, he’s still illegitimate because he was born to a foreigner. This goes completely against U.S. Law, but they don’t care. They want to illegitimize the scary black man in the White House, so they’ll believe anything that comes their way that confirms what they believe, and they’ll discount anything that doesn’t.

    They further state that even if he was a Natural Born Citizen at birth, somehow he relinquished his citizenship when he was 6-years-old in Indonesia, which is completely against what even the United States Supreme Court has ruled could happen (Perkins v. Elg). So, forgive me if I don’t believe that the birthers would all of a sudden do a 180, and state that Obama is now legitimate because he’s given a document that carries no legal weight.

    But MORE IMPORTANTLY, what would it hurt??? HUH??? Do you really think people are NOT going to vote for him if he’s American???

    Yes, I do believe that these people have absolutely no intention to vote for him. Otherwise, they’d be persuaded by the overwhelming amount of evidence that he was born in Hawaii. They continually disparage good people, including accuse Barack Obama of Murdering his own grandmother in order to cover up his birth. When you get to that point, there is no voting for him. I have no doubt that Mario Apuzzo, Orly Taitz, Leo Donfrio, and any of the other birthers who have continually brought this up to shed doubt upon the scary black man in the Presidency would not vote for him under any circumstances. They continually have the birth certificate issue so that they can point to that, rather than opposing him for more racist problems. The other part is I don’t really believe that the majority of your “58%” actually know enough about the issue to actually care. They don’t care where Obama was born, and would be satisfied with the Birth Certificate already released.

    2) I don’t know what “normal channels” are. He put a PICTURE on the internet. Maybe that should have been enough, but IF IT WASN’T what is he supposed to do?

    Actually, he put a picture on the Internet, sent a copy of the picture to the news media, invited the News Media to come to the Chicago Headquarters and view the real birth certificate themselves, and photograph that birth certificate, as well as hold it open at his campaign headquarters for anybody to see. Only 1 news media outlet actually took him up on the offer.

    The only other thing that he might have been able to do is spend a billion dollars and mail a birth certificate to all two hundred million potential voters in the United States. Of course, that would cost double the amount of money that his campaign spent (already the most expensive campaign in the history of the United States) actually raised.

    Nothing the rest of his life? Maybe people should have believed Nixon, the president, too that he didn’t break in anywhere. But they didn’t, and WOW, HE DID after all!!! Imagine that!!! Nixon just PLAIN LIED!!!

    But they actually had evidence on Nixon. THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE THAT OBAMA LIED! Furthermore, every single piece of evidence actually shows that Obama was born in Hawaii. All the Birthers have is a theory. A theory that goes completely against all the evidence out there. They confirm it with a dissection of quotes from people, that when you hear the complete tape, go completely against their position, and documents that are given to them by convicted forgers, that have not been authenicated by any court of law. You’re comparing Obama to Nixon. You forget that before Woodward and Bernstein wrote about Watergate, they had evidence that they could nail down, from a reliable source with actual knowledge of the situation. All the birthers have is quotes taken out of context.

    Just wondering. How much time should the United States Government spend trying to prove that 9/11 is an inside job? There are polls out there that state that over half of the Americans have doubts that the U.S. Government had absolutely no involvement in 9/11. So, how much time, resources, and other things should the U.S. Government do to disprove something to a bunch of people that want to believe it anyways? When will you say that there has been enough resources spent to disprove that the U.S. Government had anything to do with 9/11?

    3) Who is Einstein talking about, YOU or US??? Maybe it is US. BUT, maybe it is you Obots who keep on making up reasons not to just do the simple thing, and cough up a bumpy copy into PUBLIC!I mean you haven’t done it now for almost 2 1/2 years, and lookit, there are 27% to 58% who have some doubt about where Obama was born.

    Soooo, really, who is it Einstein is talking about. I am HONEST enough to admit it might be US. Why don’t you be honest and admit that it might be YOU!To Bovilexia and MWill: Oh sure you want to fight over at gretawire where you have a lot of Obots to help you! But look at me. I just come here by myself and fight you. I don’t bring a lot of other Birthers over here to mess with you. I behave myself the WHOLE TWO TIMES I have been here. I just stay on ONE THREAD and don’t try to mess up all of yours.OH, Wait! I forgot. I am housebroken! You just can’t stand somebody NOT thinking like you. It takes you out of your “comfort zone.”SO THERE!!! to Bovilexia and MWill, but not Duns who was nice.

    Actually, I was talking about Obama. Why should Obama do the exact same thing that he’s done before (aka release another document) and then expect a different result from what happened last time? And if he shouldn’t expect a different result, then why should he do it in the first place? You keep on saying that he should release this, because then the birthers will act in a completely different way than the way they have been acting for the last 2 years? Why should he believe that they would?

    But you’re right, maybe it is me that I was talking about. Arguing with you is like arguing with a 5-year-old. Maybe I should quit arguing with you, and ignore you.

  324. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 5, 2010 at 6:56 pm #

    To dunst:

    You said: “Arguing with you is like arguing with a 5-year-old. Maybe I should quit arguing with you, and ignore you.”

    Your choice, but you are right! In one way, I hope arguing with me is like arguing with a 5-year-old.” Because I don’t start with a bunch of assumptions and then try to fit reality into it. For example, I list a Kenya birth as only one of the possible reasons Obama sits around doing nothing.

    All the things you said about birthers is just assumptions. The last time I was here no Obot could estimate for me how many birthers were birthers for what reasons. You just lumped us all into one big BLOB.

    Soooo, what that gives you is a case of the Drunk Under The Street Light Syndrome. The drunk lost his keys somewhere up the street, but was looking for them under the streetlight where the light was better. You are looking for answers where you think the light is better, but not where the answers might be.

    Sadly, you will not find good answers under the streetlight. You will find shellac. And lots of it. Why don’t you start off like a 5 year old, and make a list of different types of birthers, and why they might be birthers. Pretend you are in first grade and then maybe you will find better answers.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    (PS: Misha, I translated it and YES! It said I was a fool. So, I guessed right!!!)

  325. avatar
    Majority Will November 5, 2010 at 7:24 pm #

    dunstvangeet: But you’re right, maybe it is me that I was talking about. Arguing with you is like arguing with a 5-year-old. Maybe I should quit arguing with you, and ignore you.

    Excellent idea (and well stated post).

    Birther: “Oh why won’t Barack Obama release his birth certificate? If only he did that simple little thing, we could put this whole matter to rest. And it would only cost him ten dollars.”
    Rational Person (RP): “Didn’t you see the birth certificate he posted online?”
    Birther: “Anyone could have fakedthat. In fact, I saw an anonymous guy on the internet claim that he could prove it was faked. He’s an expert in instructional media.’”
    RP: “You do realize that instructional media’ doesn’t have anything to do with document analysis, right?”
    Birther: “Regardless, it’s still fake. If Obama truly had nothing to hide, he’d release his long-form birth certificate, not this computer printout.”
    RP: “How should he release it? If he simply posted a scan online, wouldn’t you accuse it of being faked?”
    Birther: “Oh, certainly. Anything he produces shouldn’t be trusted unless it’s reviewed by a competent authority, like a judge.”
    RP: “So if Obama obtained his long-form birth certificate, published it, had a judge review it, and then the judge announced that it was legit and he was born in Hawaii, that would be enough? You’d give up arguing that his election is illegitimate, stop filing lawsuits, and concede that he’s eligible to be President?”
    Birther: “Hardly. For all we know, Obama’s parents could have lied to Hawaiian officials, and claimed he was born in Hawaii, when he was actually born in Kenya. Or Canada. For all we know, Hawaiian officials themselves might be in on the cover-up.”
    RP: “What if it can be proven beyond a doubt that the birth certificate is real and accurate, and that he was born in Hawaii. Let’s say there’s a video of John F. Kennedy himself playing midwife to Ann Dunham. Would that settle the matter?”
    Birther: “It’d settle the matter of where he was born. But that doesn’t mean he’s a natural-born citizen and eligible to be President.”
    RP: “Why?”
    Birther: “Because before he was born, his mother married a British citizen. That means she gave up her American citizenship even before he was born. And Obama can’t be a natural-born citizen if neither of his parents were American citizens.”
    RP: “So you’re begging Obama to release his birth certificate, even though you admit it won’t actually stop your complaints.”
    Birther: “That’s right.”
    RP: “Well, what if I can show you that American citizens don’t give up their American citizenship when they marry foreigners? Will that put this to rest?”
    Birther: “Oh, no. Even if I accepted that he was born in Hawaii, and that his mother was still an American citizen, his father was still a Kenyan and British citizen, and that means Obama inherited dual citizenship and thus wasn’t a natural-born citizen. So he can’t be President.”
    RP: “I see. For the sake of argument, then, let’s say that I could show you that there’s no requirement that a natural-born citizen be born of two U.S. citizens. Would that satisfy you?”
    Birther: “Sorry, but no. Even if the birth certificate proves he was born in Hawaii, and he could show that his mother was a U.S. citizen when he was born, and that his father’s citizenship didn’t disqualify him, there’s still the matter of Indonesia.”
    RP: “What does Indonesia have to do with anything?”
    Birther: “When Obama’s mother married Lolo Soetoro, she gave up her U.S. citizenship, and by proxy, Obama’s U.S. citizenship. So he can’t be President.”
    RP: “No, it doesn’t work that way. Didn’t we already cover this with her first marriage?”
    Birther: “It doesn’t matter. Even if her marriage didn’t invalidate his citizenship, when Obama was adoptedby Lolo Soetoro, he ceased to be a U.S. natural-born citizen. So he can’t be President.”
    RP: “A minor child can’t surrender his U.S. citizenship that way. Besides, there’s no evidence that he was adopted in the first place.”
    Birther: “Even if that’s the case, he’s still not in the clear. Because when he traveled to Pakistan in 1981 on his Indonesian passport, he gave up his U.S. citizenship.”
    RP: “Apart from the fact that that wouldn’t have sacrificed his citizenship, do you actually have any direct evidence that he in fact did use an Indonesian passport?”
    Birther: “Not direct evidence. But American passport holders weren’t allowed into Pakistan in 1981.”
    RP: “Do you have any evidence that that is actually true about travel to Pakistan in 1981?”
    Birther: “No.”
    RP: “I see. OK, if you put aside the passport, would you concede that he’s eligible to be President?”
    Birther: “Still no. When Obama was adopted, his name was legally changed to Barry Soetoro.’ There’s no proof he ever changed his name back, but he ran for President as Barack Obama.’ And that violates election law. I will never accept his Presidency until I see the documentation where he changed his name back to Obama.”
    RP: “That’s impossible. How can he possibly produce that documentation, when he never changed his name away from Obama in the first place? What proof is there that he was ever legally adopted or changed his name? And even if he was adopted, what possible reason would there be to legally change his first name to a nickname?”
    Birther: “A school application in Indonesia says his last name was Soetoro.’ They take those applications very seriously in Indonesia, so this is solid legal proof that he was adopted and had a name change.”
    RP: “And the fact that the same application says he was born in Hawaii?”
    Birther: “That was a mistake.”
    RP: “OK, so to recap, you wanted Obama to release a birth certificate, but when he did, you accused it of being a forgery? Right?”
    Birther: “Right.”
    RP: “And you say that if he simply shared his long-form birth certificate with the public, that could be forged too? Right?”
    Birther: “Right.”
    RP: “So you want him to release his long-form birth certificate and to have that birth certificate reviewed by a judge, to satisfy his critics and answer the questions they’re asking? Right?”
    Birther: “Right.”
    RP: “And if the judge affirms that the birth certificate is legitimate and it says his place of birth was Hawaii, you say it might be falsified, right?”
    Birther: “Right.”
    RP: “And even if he proves he was born in Hawaii, you claim he’s still not a natural-born citizen because of his mother’s first marriage, right?”
    Birther: “Right.”
    RP: “And if he then proves that the marriage isn’t an issue, you claim he’s still not a natural-born citizen because of his father’s citizenship, right?”
    Birther: “Right.”
    RP: “And if he then proves that his father’s citizenship isn’t an issue, you claim he’s still not a natural-born citizen because of his mother’s second marriage, right?”
    Birther: “Right.”
    RP: “And if he then proves that his mother’s second marriage isn’t an issue, you claim he’s still not a natural-born citizen because of his supposed adoption, right?”
    Birther: “Right.”
    RP: “And if he then proves that he didn’t give up his citizenship via adoption, you claim that he’s still not a natural-born citizen because of his 1981 travel to Pakistan, right?”
    Birther: “Right.”
    RP: “And if he then proves that he didn’t give up his citizenship via passport, and even when you run out of citizenship arguments completely, you then claim his electionis illegitimate because his legal surname is Soetoro, right?”
    Birther: “Right.”
    RP: “So you want to know why Obama won’t take the simple measure of releasing his birth certificate, when you already have at least eight consecutive fall-back arguments you’ll make if he does so, whereby you’ll continue to insist that he’s ineligible for the Presidency even after he proves that he was born in Hawaii?”
    Birther: “Right.”
    RP: “Y’know, if I were Obama, I think I’d save my ten dollars too.”

  326. avatar
    misha November 5, 2010 at 9:08 pm #

    The more conservatives fight among themselves, the better it is for progressives.

    See Delaware, Nevada and Colorado.

  327. avatar
    Lupin November 6, 2010 at 4:36 am #

    I don’t pretend to understand why people vote the way they do, even in my own country.

    I saw two rather puzzling stats from exit polls (assuming what I read was correct — I didn’t keep the link):

    1) 30% of those who believe your government should spend MORE money to create jobs voted Republican.

    That is off since the Republicans are openly against public spending.

    2) 30% of people who are openly gay said they voted Republicans.

    I find that odd too, for obvious reasons.

    I’ll be curious to see how things evolve in the next two years, especially as I don’t expect the economy to turn around. If anything, I think things will get worse for a large number of middle-class folks.

  328. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 6, 2010 at 7:40 am #

    SqueekyFromm: Why don’t you start off like a 5 year old, and make a list of different types of birthers, and why they might be birthers. Pretend you are in first grade and then maybe you will find better answers.

    First graders are not very good at critical thinking and tend to have imaginary friends and believe in the tooth fairy.

    I have spend some time thinking about, and writing about why various kinds of birthers exist. My opinion is that the overwhelming majority of those who would respond in a poll that they have doubts about where Barack Obama was born feel that way because they are generally disposed to dislike Obama and believe some piece of fake evidence that they received second hand (i.e. edited grandmother tape, fake birth certificate, fake analysis of real birth certificate).

  329. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 6, 2010 at 8:02 am #

    SqueekyFromm: Maybe it was just the economy. Personally, I don’t think I would take the chance if I was him. Somehow, if 42% of the country definitely thought I was born here, I would be worrying about the other 58%

    Did you see anyone campaigning on the issue? A couple of candidates at rallies in remote places speaking to ultra-right crowds mentioned it briefly and then retracted the statement when it got media attention.

    No, the people who actually have doubts wouldn’t vote Democrat in the first place.

  330. avatar
    Majority Will November 6, 2010 at 8:50 am #

    Obsessive flattery or just really creepy?

    A birther stalker:
    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/โ–บ-โ–บ-official-debunking-of-birtherism-by-congressional-research-service-โ—„-โ—„/page/2

  331. avatar
    Reality Check November 6, 2010 at 12:57 pm #

    In other news…

    In Kerchner v Obama the President (rather the DOJ lawyers on his behalf) waived the right to reply to the application for Writ of Certiorari at SCOTUS so the case will be scheduled for conference in a few weeks where it will quickly be denied, IMO.

  332. avatar
    Black Lion November 6, 2010 at 5:40 pm #

    Interesting article…

    Unapologetic Birther’ Is New MO House of Representatives Majority Leader

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/unapologetic_birther_is_new_mo_house_of_representatives_majority_leader.php

    State Rep. Timothy W. Jones (R-Eureka) of the Missouri House of Representatives was unanimously elected by the new Republican caucus to be the next Majority Floor Leader.

    Why is that newsworthy?

    Because he was represented by “Birther Queen” Orly Taitz in a federal case alleging that President Barack Obama was secretly an Indonesian named Barry Soetoro and ineligible to be President of the United States.

  333. avatar
    BatGuano November 7, 2010 at 2:12 pm #

    Black Lion: Because he was represented by “Birther Queen” Orly Taitz in a federal case alleging that President Barack Obama…

    orly loses yet another friend.

    http://politicmo.com/2010/11/05/state-rep-jones-dismisses-orly-taitz-support

  334. avatar
    Black Lion November 8, 2010 at 9:17 am #

    Palin ‘favorites’ photo that claims Obama is a ‘Taliban Muslim’

    Sarah Palin has used her Twitter account for a variety of things, including endorsements of key candidates during the 2010 midterm elections. But, and stay with us here, Palin’s account features a retweet of an Ann Coulter tweet that links to this image:

    Coulter’s tweet, which is listed among Palin’s “favorites,” introduces the photo with the phrase, “MY NEW CHURCH!” The photo is of “The Blood of Jesus ATLAH World Missionary Church,” and the text on the sign reads, “The blood of Jesus against Obama History made 4 Nov 2008 a Taliban Muslim illegally elected president USA: Hussein.” The New York City-based church is led by James David Manning.

    Whether Palin retweeted “favorited” the Coulter tweet personally is unclear, but SarahPAC staffer Rebecca Mansour insisted to a reporter this summer that “anything that goes out under [Palin’s] name is hers.”

    By Thursday evening, all of Palin’s favorites had been cleared from her Twitter account. She told ABC News’s Jake Tapper in an e-mail that it was “an obvious accidental ‘favoriting.’ ”

    “Jake, I’ve never purposefully ‘favorited’ any Tweet. I had to go back to my BlackBerry to even see if such a function was possible,” Palin wrote

    (Correction: An earlier version of this post incorrectly reported that Sarah Palin had retweeted a posting by Ann Coulter. Palin had starred the posting, which marks it as a “favorite.”)

    Updated 11/5/2010 10:39 a.m.
    Palin wrote to Jake Tapper of ABC News to counter the allegation that the favoriting of the Ann Coulter tweet was on purpose:

    “Jake [Tapper], I’ve never purposefully ‘favorited’ any Tweet. I had to go back to my BlackBerry to even see if such a function was possible. I was traveling to Alaska that day…it was an obvious accidental ‘favoriting,’ but no one can mistake that Ann Coulter was obviously being tongue in cheek with that Tweet. Shall I correct this with whichever wonderful media outlet ran with this (an obviously bored reporter…since there must be nothing going on in the world today, like, um, ramifications of a shake up of power in the U.S. House of Representatives?).”

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/11/palin-retweets-photo-that-clai.html?hpid=moreheadlines

    From the NY Daily News…

    Blame it on the Blackberry.
    After being slammed for appearing to list a controversial tweet from Ann Coulter’s as a “favorite” on her Twitter account, Sarah Palin defended herself Friday by saying she didn’t even know how to tag Twitter posts.
    On her account, Palin had appeared to list a Coulter tweet with a photograph of a sign outside of a church that said “The blood of Jesus against Obama history made 4 Nov 2008 a Taliban Muslim illegally elected president USA: Hussein.”
    Palin, however, said it was simply a case of technology mismanagement.
    “I’ve never purposefully ‘favorited’ any Tweet,” Palin wrote in an email to an ABC reporter on Friday. “I had to go back to my BlackBerry to even see if such a function was possible.”
    And even if she did know how to tag a favorite tweet, she said she had been traveling that day anyway.
    “I was traveling to Alaska that day … it was an obvious accidental ‘favoriting,'” she argued.
    “But no one can mistake that Ann Coulter was obviously being tongue in cheek with that Tweet.”
    Coulter, a conservative right-wing commentator, seemed to relish in the controversy.
    On Thursday, she tweeted out a link to a column on it saying “so the ppl who were fine with rev. wright are suddenly indignant about this much more fun colorful black preacher.”
    Reverend Wright, Obama’s former preacher, was a controversial figure during the 2008 presidential campaign, who was accused of making anti-America remarks.
    The Obamas quickly distanced themselves after videos of him giving offensive sermons surfaced.
    The former Vice Presidential candidate often uses her Twitter account to voice her opinions and ask for support.
    Despite the Coulter controversy, she didn’t ease up at all on Twitter.
    Nor did she mention it on her Twitter account.
    “SarahPAC help is on the way for @Renee4Congress recount fund,” she tweeted late Thursday.
    “Will other PACs join us? How about Beltway GOP?”

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/11/06/2010-11-06_sarah_palin_defends_favoriting_ann_coulters_antiobama_tweet_it_was_an_accident.html#ixzz14hDgPiUH

  335. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 8, 2010 at 2:26 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Did you see anyone campaigning on the issue? A couple of candidates at rallies in remote places speaking to ultra-right crowds mentioned it briefly and then retracted the statement when it got media attention.No, the people who actually have doubts wouldn’t vote Democrat in the first place.

    But, you Obots think racism is behind a lot of opposition, and I didn’t see the KKK out campaigning against Obama. But here is a REALLY BIG insight I had into this. Maybe you Obots are a lot like what you think us Birthers are like? Lookit:

    We see a PICTURE of a birth certificate and we are suspicious and according to you we start inventing ways to NOT just believe what is simple and obvious to YOU. You tell us that we really just don’t like Obama and can not accept that he was successful.

    I give you a CNN poll and Chris Matthews and what do you Obots do? You start inventing ways to NOT just believe what is simple and obvious to US! I tell you that you really just don’t like Birthers and can not accept that we were successful.

    Is that a INSIGHT or what???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  336. avatar
    Sef November 9, 2010 at 10:35 am #

    Squeeky, in your heart of hearts, when you really think about the things you spout, do you believe them, or are you just trying to keep up with the Birther Joneses? Do you really not understand the ECONOMIC IMPOSSIBILITY of Stanley Ann going to Kenya to have her baby? Do you really think that ALL the records have been changed to effect a massive cover-up? Policy differences with the President are one thing, but outright lies are a different matter entirely.

  337. avatar
    Dave November 9, 2010 at 12:58 pm #

    I tell you that you really just don’t like Birthers and can not accept that we were successful.

    Well, as far as disliking birthers goes, it depends on the birther. But as to your comment about not accepting your success — I find to my dismay, you must be right, because I am so non-accepting of your success that I am completely unaware of any. This is disturbing. Maybe you could help me out. Could you post a brief comment on what your success is, and I’ll see if it just looks like a blank spot on the screen to me.

  338. avatar
    Jody November 9, 2010 at 6:16 pm #

    SqueekyFromm:
    Lookit:We see a PICTURE of a birth certificate and we are suspicious and according to you we start inventing ways to NOT just believe what is simple and obvious to YOU.

    My bank now allows me to scan a PICTURE of a check to deposit in my account. I don’t even need to send them the hard copy. So I send them a PICTURE and they put money in my account. So if my bank understands that there is a backup to the picture I send them, it shouldn’t be a surprise that there is a backup to the picture of a birth certificate that President Obama posted on the internet.

  339. avatar
    Black Lion November 9, 2010 at 6:57 pm #

    Jody: My bank now allows me to scan a PICTURE of a check to deposit in my account. I don’t even need to send them the hard copy. So I send them a PICTURE and they put money in my account. So if my bank understands that there is a backup to the picture I send them, it shouldn’t be a surprise that there is a backup to the picture of a birth certificate that President Obama posted on the internet.

    Jody, good one….Most people with common sense know that if there is a picture of a COLB, there is a COLB that exists which will contain evidence that the President was born in HI….

  340. avatar
    Black Lion November 9, 2010 at 7:00 pm #

    Remember this from the CRS report…

    “No official record of birth from any other jurisdiction or country has been produced, no contradictory health record or hospital record has been forwarded, no official record of travel (such as a passport record or passenger manifest) appears to exist placing President Obama’s mother in a foreign country at the time of the President’s birth.”

  341. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 9, 2010 at 7:13 pm #

    The Congressional Research Service (CRS) works exclusively for the United States Congress, providing policy and legal analysis to committees and Members of both the House and Senate, regardless of party affiliation. As a legislative branch agency within the Library of Congress, CRS has been a valued and respected resource on Capitol Hill for nearly a century.

    CRS is well-known for analysis that is authoritative, confidential, objective and nonpartisan. Its highest priority is to ensure that Congress has 24/7 access to the nation’s best thinking.

    This website provides information about our organization, career opportunities and our services to Congress.

    http://www.loc.gov/crsinfo/

  342. avatar
    Majority Will November 9, 2010 at 7:27 pm #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP: The Congressional Research Service (CRS) works exclusively for the United States Congress, providing policy and legal analysis to committees and Members of both the House and Senate, regardless of party affiliation. As a legislative branch agency within the Library of Congress, CRS has been a valued and respected resource on Capitol Hill for nearly a century.CRS is well-known for analysis that is authoritative, confidential, objective and nonpartisan. Its highest priority is to ensure that Congress has 24/7 access to the nation’s best thinking.This website provides information about our organization, career opportunities and our services to Congress.http://www.loc.gov/crsinfo/

    The birther troll is a rage driven, raving lunatic so logic and sense go right out the window.

  343. avatar
    JoZeppy November 9, 2010 at 7:38 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: I tell you that you really just don’t like Birthers and can not accept that we were successful.

    Successful? You really need to put down the crack pipe. Last I checked, Obama is still president, not a single court has given birthers the time of day, and the President’s birth certificate didn’t show up anywhere on the list of what voters thought was important when going to the polls.

    But I suppose birthers are successful at making complete fools of themselves, getting their cases laughed out of court, destroying the military career of a mis-guided doctor, and racking up $20k in court sanctions (so far).

  344. avatar
    Black Lion November 9, 2010 at 8:57 pm #

    I guess the birthers over at GW think that they have found something out…That some of us post over here….Funny stuff…The link showed the disgraceful comments about the President’s mother…

    http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/barrys-mom-is-a-giant-fat/page/2

    tck
    Member
    black lion is part of their posse….

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/

    MICO-1
    Member
    FUTTHESHUCKUP: The Congressional Research Service (CRS) works exclusively for the United States Congress, providing…
    .
    Black Lion: Remember this from the CRS report… “No official record of birth from any other jurisdiction or…
    .
    Black Lion: People should watch the CBS Evening news tonight. There was a report on the President’s return to…
    .
    Black Lion: Guys, this is even more hilarious…There is a poster over at GW still attempting to pimp the…
    =============================

    tck, look at who else is on that site….OMG, I’m totally ROFLMBO!

  345. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 9, 2010 at 10:16 pm #

    Black Lion: I guess the birthers over at GW think that they have found something out…That some of us post over here….Funny stuff…The link showed the disgraceful comments about the President’s mother…http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/barrys-mom-is-a-giant-fat/page/2tck
    Member
    black lion is part of their posse….http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/
    MICO-1
    Member
    FUTTHESHUCKUP: The Congressional Research Service (CRS) works exclusively for the United States Congress, providing…
    .
    Black Lion: Remember this from the CRS report… “No official record of birth from any other jurisdiction or…
    .
    Black Lion: People should watch the CBS Evening news tonight. There was a report on the President’s return to…
    .
    Black Lion: Guys, this is even more hilarious…There is a poster over at GW still attempting to pimp the…
    =============================tck, look at who else is on that site….OMG, I’m totally ROFLMBO!

    idiots all of them

  346. avatar
    Majority Will November 9, 2010 at 10:42 pm #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP:
    idiots all of them

    I’ll give them a little credit.

    I think most of them have sunk pretty close to a whole new level of super idiot.

    And a few of them have been there all along.

  347. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 9, 2010 at 10:47 pm #

    It’s been that way there for a long, long time, Will. It’s like getting a peek inside an insane asylum with all the nutty stuff they come up with.

  348. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 9, 2010 at 10:51 pm #

    For a long time, I was the only one there exposing their lies, but lately others have shown up to do it as well. I can’t wait for the next denial. I’m gonna bomb the crap out of them

  349. avatar
    Lupin November 10, 2010 at 2:18 am #

    Black Lion: black lion is part of their posse….

    Are we a “posse”? Is there an official uniform? I could use a new jacket.

  350. avatar
    Lupin November 10, 2010 at 2:21 am #

    SqueekyFromm: and I didn’t see the KKK out campaigning against Obama.

    I suggest you google “KKK threatens Obama”.

  351. avatar
    Black Lion November 10, 2010 at 9:48 am #

    Lupin: Are we a “posse”? Is there an official uniform? I could use a new jacket.

    Lupin, me too…It is kind of like the theory they like to expouse that we are all on the payroll of Obama and George Soros….Their little minds cannot comprehend that intelligent people can disagee with them…..

  352. avatar
    Black Lion November 10, 2010 at 10:26 am #

    More birther nonsense…

    White House Insider: Clintons, Scandals, and the Birth Certificate..

    “Ok, I gotta ask this. And I don’t mean any disrespect to you but so many of my readers bring this up and some of them make pretty credible arguments on the subject that I’ve wanted to ask you about it for awhile…(leans forward) You got my attention – what’s the question?

    The birth certificate issue…is it…is there some validity to… (eyebrows raise up) You’re going to ask me a Birther question! (laughs) I’m not laughing at the question, I’m laughing at how uncomfortable you are in trying to ask it!

    Well, it does seem to go right into full on conspiracy stuff which I don’t like to pay much attention to. Hey, almost every great government scandal began as a silly conspiracy right? It’s how one side effectively discredits the other – just call them crazy. I have done it many times. Not so much because I enjoy it but because it works.

    So…any truth to the birth certificate thing? Hell if I know – and I’m not sure I want to know. Do you realize the mess that would create if it was true? There would be violence of the kind this country has not seen in our lifetimes – or at least your lifetime. I forget sometimes how old I really am.

    C’mon, you’re dancing around it. Is there any credibility to it? (leans back, folds arms across chest) Look, I will say this- people seem to have spent a considerable amount of time and money keeping others from finding out. I don’t know why more than to say this president has been very protective of almost everything in his past. From college transcripts to medical records to writings…he’s clearly very concerned with his privacy. I don’t necessarily fault him for that, but it does make you wonder – I understand that. If you are asking me if Obama is an American I say yes. I have no doubt about that. If you are asking me if Obama was born in America…

    That’s exactly what I am asking you. Yeah…that one is a little tougher to say. I sure as hell hope so, because if he wasn’t, and somebody is able to prove it – holy hell we got problems.

    You really think President Obama might not have been born in America? Whoa – don’t take it that far, ok? I’m not comfortable with you putting it quite like that. It’s not so much I don’t think he was born in America, it’s more that I am open to the possibility of that. Or I’m at least sympathetic to people who wonder about it themselves. But I don’t want to go there – it’s irrelevant to me. It’s too dangerous to consider. And it’s Obama’s own fault. He has covered up his past. Beyond his books, which frankly from what I have seen of him firsthand I don’t think he wrote entirely himself, there really is very little we know about the guy. The one most responsible for all of these conspiracy stories is Barack Obama. When you have White House staff – people who were involved in the day to day decisions coming out of the West Wing saying they have no clue who Obama really is, that shows an environment that is going to create a lot of this conspiracy stuff surrounding the president. And how about I ask you what you believe? Do you think Obama wasn’t born in America?

    I’m not sure. I used to ignore that talk. Now I’m not sure. Like you said, there has been so much cover up of his past. Why? And you seem to have the same kind of doubts I do. Hmmm…I wouldn’t go quite that far. I think you want to believe in that Birther stuff. I don’t. I hope to God it’s not true. You on the other hand…

    Now you’re putting words in my mouth. I don’t want it to be true either, I am just starting to wonder if…well, it appears there is smoke and maybe there’s fire. Fair enough. I can understand that.

    So I take it this White House scandal you’ve been talking about has nothing to do with the birth certificate issue? No – not to my knowledge, no. Good lord, no. Don’t tie me up to that subject matter! And we gotta wrap this one up, ok?”

    Read more: http://newsflavor.com/politics/world-politics/white-house-insider-clintons-scandals-and-the-birth-certificate/#ixzz14tSNzWCE

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    Majority Will November 10, 2010 at 11:39 am #

    Black Lion: More birther nonsense…

    That was bizarre. It’s just another concern troll. The amount of baseless speculation speaks more about the possible motives of the troll. That and dancing around the implied accusation that the state of Hawaii has committed major felonies through fraud.

    Disgusting.

  354. avatar
    Majority Will November 10, 2010 at 5:03 pm #

    Lou Dobbs joins Fox Birther Network
    http://mediamatters.org/research/201011100043

    And the typical, fear mongering birther idiot in the comments section.

  355. avatar
    ellid November 11, 2010 at 9:54 am #

    I’d be willing to bet money that Lou Dobbs only waited until the non-compete clause in his old contract tolled before signing with Faux.

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    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 12:47 pm #

    Majority Will:
    That was bizarre. It’s just another concern troll. The amount of baseless speculation speaks more about the possible motives of the troll. That and dancing around the implied accusation that the state of Hawaii has committed major felonies through fraud.Disgusting.

    And NOBODY would just commit MAJOR FELONIES right out in PUBLIC, would they??? That sort of stuff just simply isn’t done, is it???

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/232611?RS_show_page=0

    You need to start living in the REAL WORLD!, Majority Will. I mean, really. One of your defenses is that nobody would commit major felonies right now in our history when we are witnessing Big Banks committing major felonies left and right without punishment??? Boy are you really not informed very good.

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    Jody November 11, 2010 at 12:52 pm #

    It’s one thing to point out that major felonies exist. We know that. It’s quite another to make baseless accusations, without any proof, and then expect the accused party to cough up proof of their innocence.

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    BatGuano November 11, 2010 at 1:03 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: And NOBODY would just commit MAJOR FELONIES right out in PUBLIC, would they???

    interesting article squeeks but it doesn’t pertain to our topic.

    think of the most hideous crime you can think of that has been committed. under your logic i should assume you have done that crime simply because it has happened somewhere. no evidence or motive needed. just straight out ” guilty until proven innocent “.

  359. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 1:30 pm #

    To BGuano:

    You said: “under your logic i should assume you have done that crime simply because it has happened somewhere. no evidence or motive needed. just straight out ” guilty until proven innocent .”

    No. Really you have it backwards. It is one of YOU OBOTS arguments that people wouldn’t lie for Obama because it would be a crime. I simply point out that crimes happen all the time, so what makes this so special?? Plus, the last time I was here, I showed you how lying about Obama would be a simple lie to make for the Hawaii person.

    Try to keep up, OK?

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  360. avatar
    Majority Will November 11, 2010 at 1:35 pm #

    Please ignore the rude, idiotic troll.

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    Jody November 11, 2010 at 1:40 pm #

    Squeeky, *you* are making the accusation of major felonies and lying. What proof do you have that someone is committing these crimes? Saying that crimes are committed generally is not proof that a crime has been committed specifically. What proof do you have of a crime?

  362. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 1:42 pm #

    Majority Will: Please ignore the rude, idiotic troll.

    Calling somebody “idiotic” IS rude, MW! Lookit above how many times you Obots have called me bad names. You just can’t stand it when somebody points out how WRONG you are about stuff.

    So There!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    (Plus, FUT admitted yesterday that I was INTELLIGENT! over at greatwire!)

  363. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 1:49 pm #

    Jody,

    The issue of crimes came up the last time I was here because Obots said that Frujinko or whatever would not lie about seeing Obama’s papers because it would be a crime.

    I simply pointed out how right now is not a good time in history to make THAT argument because gee whiz lookit Bernie Madoff, and all the Big Banks who are doing crimes left and right, and the courts are even helping them.

    My own ideas about Obama have evolved into KISS, where I think it is more important about WHY Obama doesn’t address this issue, than WHERE he was born.

    1. KENYA. He is born in Kenya.
    2. IGNORANT. Obama is too ignorant to think of the simple answer.
    3. SNOBBY. Obama thinks Americans are too stupid to believe the REAL THING!
    4. SLIMY. Obama thinks it is OK to make some Americans look crazy if it gets him votes.

    Because, even if you think Obama was born in Hawaii or Conneticut, and is a American, the FACT that he hasn’t done anything since July 13, 2008, is VERY DISTURBING!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    Jody November 11, 2010 at 1:54 pm #

    Squeeky,

    So because President Obama hasn’t shown you the specific document that you want to see, you conclude that there is something suspicious? What *proof* do you have that the Certification of Live Birth posted on the internet is a fake?

  365. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 2:00 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Jody,The issue of crimes came up the last time I was here because Obots said that Frujinko or whatever would not lie about seeing Obama’s papers because it would be a crime.I simply pointed out how right now is not a good time in history to make THAT argument because gee whiz lookit Bernie Madoff, and all the Big Banks who are doing crimes left and right, and the courts are even helping them.My own ideas about Obama have evolved into KISS, where I think it is more important about WHY Obama doesn’t address this issue, than WHERE he was born.1. KENYA. He is born in Kenya.2. IGNORANT. Obama is too ignorant to think of the simple answer.3. SNOBBY. Obama thinks Americans are too stupid to believe the REAL THING!4. SLIMY. Obama thinks it is OK to make some Americans look crazy if it gets him votes.Because, even if you think Obama was born in Hawaii or Conneticut, and is a American, the FACT that he hasn’t done anything since July 13, 2008, is VERY DISTURBING!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    For the 20th time her name is not frujinko. I’m tired of having to correct you. Her name is Dr. Chiyome L. Fukino, you come off as an uneducated lazy moron when you continue to get her name wrong. So you think a federal official with no political motivation would lie just because others in the past have lied. Gee I would have hated to be in your family. Mom I can’t trust you when you say not to touch the stove while the burner is on because you said I couldn’t watch the tv because you said so when that wasn’t true. Dad I don’t trust you when you say not to drink gasoline because you lied about where babies come from.

  366. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 2:02 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: To BGuano:You said: “under your logic i should assume you have done that crime simply because it has happened somewhere. no evidence or motive needed. just straight out ” guilty until proven innocent .”No. Really you have it backwards. It is one of YOU OBOTS arguments that people wouldn’t lie for Obama because it would be a crime. I simply point out that crimes happen all the time, so what makes this so special?? Plus, the last time I was here, I showed you how lying about Obama would be a simple lie to make for the Hawaii person.Try to keep up, OK?Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    A republican appointed Director of Health who works for the Republican governor who campaigned for Obama’s republican opponent somehow would lie for Obama? You lack logic. So how do we know you’re not a child molestor just because your daddy had issues with you? There are child molestors out there and you’ve done nothing to dispel the accusation.

  367. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 2:05 pm #

    Jody,

    Its just a PICTURE on the Internet. Who knows whatever about it??? The person who said it was fake couldn’t know that, it was Dr. Somebody, Alaric??? because it is just a picture on the Internet. But the same applies about knowing whether it is true or not. This theory is called the Treachery of Images, and it was made about 80 years ago by a famous dead French artist:

    http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/10/famous-dead-french-artist-supports.html

    My biggest reason for being suspicious is the CONTINUED REFUSAL to deal with this problem by Obama, because there is not any GOOD reason not to cough up a bumpy Birth Certificate, or a Long Form into PUBLIC. Right now 27%-58% of Americans have some degree of doubt about where Obama was born, and here we just had the mid- terms, and still Obama didn’t address it.

    Soooo, this makes me real suspicious about where he is born, but one thing I am NOT suspicious about is this, THERE IS NO GOOD REASON for Obama not to resolve this problem if he really is an American, and if he doesn’t then through KISS, something is real bad wrong.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  368. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 2:12 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Jody,Its just a PICTURE on the Internet. Who knows whatever about it??? The person who said it was fake couldn’t know that, it was Dr. Somebody, Alaric??? because it is just a picture on the Internet. But the same applies about knowing whether it is true or not. This theory is called the Treachery of Images, and it was made about 80 years ago by a famous dead French artist:http://squeeky-squeek.blogspot.com/2010/10/famous-dead-french-artist-supports.htmlMy biggest reason for being suspicious is the CONTINUED REFUSAL to deal with this problem by Obama, because there is not any GOOD reason not to cough up a bumpy Birth Certificate, or a Long Form into PUBLIC. Right now 27%-58% of Americans have some degree of doubt about where Obama was born, and here we just had the mid- terms, and still Obama didn’t address it.Soooo, this makes me real suspicious about where he is born, but one thing I am NOT suspicious about is this, THERE IS NO GOOD REASON for Obama not to resolve this problem if he really is an American, and if he doesn’t then through KISS, something is real bad wrong.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    You’re just a name on the internet you must not exist either. Polarik is no doctor. He got caught several times in his videos photoshopping artifact into his videos that weren’t there on the original document then claimed this is how a fake would be made when he was caught. Polarik is no expert he’s a discredited quack that even the birthers despise. 27% have doubt. Once again using your probably line that would mean that those who probably think he wasn’t born here have doubts about having doubts. So a percentage would be removed from the 27% using your logic. It has been resolved and you’ve gained no ground in removing Obama from a post he legally has a right to.

  369. avatar
    Jody November 11, 2010 at 2:12 pm #

    Squeeky,

    So you have two issues:

    1. It’s a picture, and not the actual document
    2. President Obama won’t prove it’s more than a picture

    Neither of which is proof of any crime. You can be as suspicious as you want, but it isn’t proof of a crime. I’ll ask again, what *proof* do you have that the picture on the internet is not an accurate representation of the President’s actual Certification of Live Birth?

    My bank gives me money when I send them a picture of my paycheck, and I don’t have to send them proof it is more than just a picture, because they have the proof right on the check, and the bank it is drawn on backs it up. Just like there is proof right on the COLB and the Department of Health backs it up.

  370. avatar
    JoZeppy November 11, 2010 at 2:13 pm #

    I think it is very disturbing that we still tolerate the presence of Squeeky Fromm, Girl pedophile. I mean she has been here some time, and she has provided no evidence to prove that she is not a pedophile. Her refusal to come clean and show definitively that she is not a child molester can only be viewed with suspicion. How much more evidence do we need? I mean just last week, a man was arrested in Jerusalem for indecent acts with boys between the ages of 6 and 8. And despite this evidence Squeeky has done nothing to prove she is not a child moslesting pedophile.

    So when are you going to come clean to us all and finally provide each of us, individually, proof of your innocence? Or should we just accept that you are, in fact, a child moslesting pervert?

  371. avatar
    BatGuano November 11, 2010 at 2:14 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: No. Really you have it backwards.

    you say that squeeks but then in your next few sentences you accuse people of crimes without evidence. you kind of proved my point.

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    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 2:22 pm #

    Jody,

    Oh my goodness, how hard is it to prove the PICTURE is real??? A $10 document??? Do you think it is worth 2 1/2 years of fighting and people going to jail for $10???

    But, it’s not my job to prove it’s false. It’s Obama responsibility to prove it is true,if he wants Americans to believe him. He doesn’t have to LEGALLY yet, although this may change before 2012. The FACT that there are doubts is a FACT. If Obama and the Obots don’t want to deal with this FACT, oh well, I tried!!! I will just have to be happy helping SHELLACK Obama some more!!!

    But with your PICTURE check thing, the bank KNOWS who you are, because you had to set up an account, and give stuff like licenses and social security cards to get set up. If the PICTURE of a check you give the bank BOUNCES, the bank knows who you are and will take it out of your account.

    But if you really like PICTURES on the Internet, there are these people in Nigeria who have lots of PICTURES they will send you, and they will even send you a CHECK to put in your bank! For real!!! If you will give me your email address, I will forward it to them, because they sent me an email, but I don’t trust them. But if you are TRUSTING, I will sure forward your email address to them!!!

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  373. avatar
    BatGuano November 11, 2010 at 2:25 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Oh my goodness, how hard is it to prove the PICTURE is real??? A $10 document???

    …and how exactly do you physically show that $10 document to 300+ million americans ?

  374. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 2:28 pm #

    Dr. Bob Ross:

    I want to answer you, but I can’t figure out what you are talking about or what point you are trying to make. Could you make it clearer, please???

    To JoZeppy:

    You are making a silly argument. If I run for president, I will let you do a background check on me. I will even give you a copy of my Birth Certificate.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  375. avatar
    Sef November 11, 2010 at 2:29 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Jody,Oh my goodness, how hard is it to prove the PICTURE is real??? A $10 document??? Do you think it is worth 2 1/2 years of fighting and people going to jail for $10???
    But, it’s not my job to prove it’s false. It’s Obama responsibility to prove it is true,if he wants Americans to believe him. He doesn’t have to LEGALLY yet, although this may change before 2012. The FACT that there are doubts is a FACT. If Obama and the Obots don’t want to deal with this FACT, oh well, I tried!!! I will just have to be happy helping SHELLACK Obama some more!!!But with your PICTURE check thing, the bank KNOWS who you are, because you had to set up an account, and give stuff like licenses and social security cards to get set up. If the PICTURE of a check you give the bank BOUNCES, the bank knows who you are and will take it out of your account.But if you really like PICTURES on the Internet, there are these people in Nigeria who have lots of PICTURES they will send you, and they will even send you a CHECK to put in your bank! For real!!! If you will give me your email address, I will forward it to them, because they sent me an email, but I don’t trust them. But if you are TRUSTING, I will sure forward your email address to them!!!Tee Hee! Tee Hee!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    You ignore the simple fact that NO court of competent jurisdiction has asked for President Obama’s birth information, whether it be the COLB or the so-called long form. When they do it will be provided. End of story.

  376. avatar
    BatGuano November 11, 2010 at 2:29 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: But, it’s not my job to prove it’s false. It’s Obama responsibility to prove it is true,…

    his responsibility was to prove his eligibility to congress ( as per the constitution ). he did. he has fulfilled that obligation.

    you are now the accuser. the burdon of proof rests on you.

  377. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 2:30 pm #

    BatGuano:
    …and how exactly do you physically show that $10 document to 300+ million americans ?

    Bats,

    I have discussed this a zillion times already. There are lots of options, here. I will tell you some of them if you really don’t have any idea how to do this. But, just for poops and giggles, why don’t you play Devils Advocate, and see if you can think of some ways on your own???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  378. avatar
    Jody November 11, 2010 at 2:34 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Jody,Oh my goodness, how hard is it to prove the PICTURE is real??? A $10 document??? Do you think it is worth 2 1/2 years of fighting and people going to jail for $10???
    But, it’s not my job to prove it’s false. It’s Obama responsibility to prove it is true,if he wants Americans to believe him. He doesn’t have to LEGALLY yet, although this may change before 2012. The FACT that there are doubts is a FACT. If Obama and the Obots don’t want to deal with this FACT, oh well, I tried!!! I will just have to be happy helping SHELLACK Obama some more!!!But with your PICTURE check thing, the bank KNOWS who you are, because you had to set up an account, and give stuff like licenses and social security cards to get set up. If the PICTURE of a check you give the bank BOUNCES, the bank knows who you are and will take it out of your account.

    No, actually, I never stepped foot in the bank to set up the account. I sent them PICTURES of my drivers license and Social Security card to set it up. They accepted those pictures because they are backed up by the State and Federal agencies that issued them. Exactly the same as the Department of Health in Hawaii backs up the COLB that it issued to the President.

  379. avatar
    Majority Will November 11, 2010 at 2:37 pm #

    JoZeppy: I think it is very disturbing that we still tolerate the presence of Squeeky Fromm, Girl pedophile.I mean she has been here some time, and she has provided no evidence to prove that she is not a pedophile.Her refusal to come clean and show definitively that she is not a child molester can only be viewed with suspicion.How much more evidence do we need?I mean just last week, a man was arrested in Jerusalem for indecent acts with boys between the ages of 6 and 8.And despite this evidence Squeeky has done nothing to prove she is not a child moslesting pedophile.So when are you going to come clean to us all and finally provide each of us, individually, proof of your innocence?Or should we just accept that you are, in fact, a child moslesting pervert?

    Then she should be reported to the FBI.

    IMO arguing with a deeply disturbed and lonely birther troll desperate for attention (see Gretawire forums and the OC Weekly as well) is a pointless exercise that succeeds only in feeding the flame bait for someone who is openly belligerent and obviously has no actual point. Welcome to the Argument Clinic.

  380. avatar
    Majority Will November 11, 2010 at 2:38 pm #

    Jody:
    No, actually, I never stepped foot in the bank to set up the account. I sent them PICTURES of my drivers license and Social Security card to set it up. They accepted those pictures because they are backed up by the State and Federal agencies that issued them. Exactly the same as the Department of Health in Hawaii backs up the COLB that it issued to the President.

    You might as well be arguing with a very large grapefruit.

  381. avatar
    JoZeppy November 11, 2010 at 2:39 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: To JoZeppy:
    You are making a silly argument. If I run for president, I will let you do a background check on me. I will even give you a copy of my Birth Certificate.
    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    So you admit to being a pedophile….truely shocking.

  382. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 2:40 pm #

    BatGuano:
    his responsibility was to prove his eligibility to congress ( as per the constitution ). he did. he has fulfilled that obligation.you are now the accuser. the burdon of proof rests on you.

    Bats,

    I am looking around me right now, and know what I DON’T see??? I DON’T see a courtroom. I DON’T see a judge. I DON’T even see lawyers???

    OH WAIT!! I am not IN COURT!!!

    Bats, you have been wallowing in guano so long, it has affected your mental functioning. A president kind of needs Americans to believe him and trust him. It has nothing to do with court. If 27%-58% have some degree of doubt where he was born, then this is not a good thing for him. ERGO, he got SHELLACKED last week.

    If you, as an Obot, think Obama should say to America, “Nana nana boo boo! Legally, I don’t have to show you anything! So There!!!”, then pleeeeeaaase go ahead and keep saying that!

    But it is really pretty stupid, and shows how totally clueless you are about how things work. Which I know is a disturbing thought to you, because it is us QUESTIONERS (Birthers) who are supposed to be stupid, and here I am telling you that it is Obama and you Obots who are dumber than a bag of hammers.

    But, see the mid-terms!!!

    One day maybe you will just have a INSIGHT, and then you will say, “OMG!!! How could we have been sooooo STUPID!!! Squeeky Fromm was right!!! We should have just coughed up the long form!!!” We must have been out of our minds!!!”

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  383. avatar
    JoZeppy November 11, 2010 at 2:43 pm #

    Majority Will: Then she should be reported to the FBI.IMO arguing with a deeply disturbed and lonely birther troll desperate for attention (see Gretawire forums and the OC Weekly as well) is a pointless exercise that succeeds only in feeding the flame bait for someone who is openly belligerent and obviously has no actual point. Welcome to the Argument Clinic.

    At a certain level, I doubt she even is a birther. Some of the things that come out of her mouth are pretty stupid, even for a birther. Both her and Sven have me scratching my head at times….and for some reason, I still get sucked into arguing with them, even though I know there isn’t much point.

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    Majority Will November 11, 2010 at 2:47 pm #

    JoZeppy:
    At a certain level, I doubt she even is a birther.Some of the things that come out of her mouth are pretty stupid, even for a birther.Both her and Sven have me scratching my head at times….and for some reason, I still get sucked into arguing with them, even though I know there isn’t much point.

    I agree but I would add desperate, deranged, pathetic, repulsive and entirely pointless.

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    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 2:49 pm #

    To Majority Will:

    I don’t know anything about Sven. I suspect what keeps you arguing with me is this nagging little thought that what I say makes sense. That there really isn’t a good reason not to cough up some documentation. That questions about where somebody was born, really are pretty simple to answer and that it is Obama who has allowed this to go on so long, for who knows which one of the KISS reasons. That, as Obots, you have been caught up so long in teasing Birthers, that you have over-looked the forest for the trees.

    I just can’t wait for the day when you Obots admit it!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    JoZeppy November 11, 2010 at 3:03 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: To Majority Will:I don’t know anything about Sven. I suspect what keeps you arguing with me is this nagging little thought that what I say makes sense. That there really isn’t a good reason not to cough up some documentation. That questions about where somebody was born, really are pretty simple to answer and that it is Obama who has allowed this to go on so long, for who knows which one of the KISS reasons. That, as Obots, you have been caught up so long in teasing Birthers, that you have over-looked the forest for the trees.I just can’t wait for the day when you Obots admit it!!!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Nope…certainly isn’t that anything you say makes sense…you can scratch that one right off the top of the list….particurly since he already answered the damn questions during the election.

    I guess it’s because we just aren’t as disciplined as the President when it comes to ignoring mad rantings of lunatics (and pedophiles).

  387. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 3:15 pm #

    JoZeppy:

    What a nice, TIDY little Universe you live in!!! Oh, it is no wonder us QUESTIONERS (Birthers) are just kicking you Obots around like tin cans on a dirt road!!!

    But, yesssss, you are soooo right and nobody who voted for Obama in 2008 would ever change their mind and vote for the other side in 2010!!!

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    BatGuano November 11, 2010 at 3:19 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: But, just for poops and giggles, why don’t you play Devils Advocate, and see if you can think of some ways on your own??

    gladly.

    for 130,000,000 ( aprx number of registered voters ) to view a single document for 1minute ( including transfer time ) each would take 247.3 years. not a feasible solution.

    you could have multiple copies distributed thru out the country. a few thousand would be needed to to meet time restrictions between the primaries and election. but those would be either “photographs” of the original, which you don’t trust, or current state abstracts, which you don’t trust state officials. a bust here also.

    you could make the document available to the press to examine but….. they could only provide “photographs” of the bumpy paper. again, you don’t trust “photographs” or, in our case, the fact that a news outlet did check the original.

    we also have the problem of how would it ( they ) be displayed for inspection. if you just left it on a table it could be stolen, damaged, vandalized or switched. if you put it ( them ) in a locked rotating display box you wouldn’t be able to check it completely.

    as devil’s advocate the only solution i can see is for God to appear to all and give the thumbs-up. but, then again, that might not convince Hindus, Buhdists, Atheists, SRF,……….

    don’t know. what you got squeeks ?

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    JoZeppy November 11, 2010 at 3:26 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: JoZeppy:What a nice, TIDY little Universe you live in!!! Oh, it is no wonder us QUESTIONERS (Birthers) are just kicking you Obots around like tin cans on a dirt road!!!But, yesssss, you are soooo right and nobody who voted for Obama in 2008 would ever change their mind and vote for the other side in 2010!!!Tee Hee! Tee Hee!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Yup….you birthers are really kicking our butts……haven’t won a case, and not even the tea baggers were willing to run on the issue….

    You see, the reality is, most people think you’re nutters. The only people really buying into birther B.S. are the same people who thought Hillary killed Vince Foster…people who would never vote for him in the first place.

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    BatGuano November 11, 2010 at 3:41 pm #

    BatGuano: for 130,000,000 ( aprx number of registered voters ) to view a single document for 1minute ( including transfer time ) each would take 247.3 years. not a feasible solution.

    i just re-looked at this number(s). now think of it this way:

    if only 1% of the voting population wished to view/inspect a single original document it would take 2.4years.

  391. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 4:00 pm #

    to Bats:

    Thank you for at least trying!!!!

    Here’s some of the things I would think about doing.

    Obama could sign a Power of Attorney to the Hawaii people to waive any privacy rights he has and let anybody get a copy who wanted it and was willing to pay for it.

    Obama could get about a hundred of them, for $10 each, and pass them out to reporters, Dr. Taitz, World Net Daily, etc. and THEN say, lookit here, this is what I did.

    Obama could get some extra ones and put them on display at the White House, where anybody who wanted to go to the White House, on a tour, could handle one for themselves.

    All these things would take the problem away from where it is just one special group can have it, and show a PICTURE.

    Personally, I don’t have to see it for myself if I know that people CAN actually do it if they want to.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  392. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 4:13 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Dr. Bob Ross:I want to answer you, but I can’t figure out what you are talking about or what point you are trying to make. Could you make it clearer, please???To JoZeppy:You are making a silly argument. If I run for president, I will let you do a background check on me. I will even give you a copy of my Birth Certificate.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Squeeky I find you skip over anything that you can’t answer directly. What I was talking about was quite clear and succint.

  393. avatar
    Sef November 11, 2010 at 4:15 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: to Bats:Thank you for at least trying!!!!Here’s some of the things I would think about doing.
    Obama could sign a Power of Attorney to the Hawaii people to waive any privacy rights he has and let anybody get a copy who wanted it and was willing to pay for it.Obama could get about a hundred of them, for $10 each, and pass them out to reporters, Dr. Taitz, World Net Daily, etc. and THEN say, lookit here, this is what I did.
    Obama could get some extra ones and put them on display at the White House, where anybody who wanted to go to the White House, on a tour, could handle one for themselves.All these things would take the problem away from where it is just one special group can have it, and show a PICTURE.Personally, I don’t have to see it for myself if I know that people CAN actually do it if they want to.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    You appear to have ignored my earlier post, so here it is again:

    You ignore the simple fact that NO court of competent jurisdiction has asked for President Obama’s birth information, whether it be the COLB or the so-called long form. When they do it will be provided. End of story.

    If a court requested it, the HI DOH provided the info, & the court accepted it would you accept that the question had been resolved? Would all the other birthers?

  394. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 4:16 pm #

    JoZeppy: So you admit to being a pedophile….truely shocking.

    Well it would certainly explain her daddy issues

  395. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 4:21 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: To Majority Will:I don’t know anything about Sven. I suspect what keeps you arguing with me is this nagging little thought that what I say makes sense. That there really isn’t a good reason not to cough up some documentation. That questions about where somebody was born, really are pretty simple to answer and that it is Obama who has allowed this to go on so long, for who knows which one of the KISS reasons. That, as Obots, you have been caught up so long in teasing Birthers, that you have over-looked the forest for the trees.I just can’t wait for the day when you Obots admit it!!!Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    No what keeps people arguing with you is that intelligent people are offended by intentionally false information that is put out by birthers like you. Your position is entirely based on no actual argument, no facts, no evidence just accusations based on your hatred that a black man beat a woman in the primary fair and square

  396. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 4:26 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: to Bats:Thank you for at least trying!!!!Here’s some of the things I would think about doing. Obama could sign a Power of Attorney to the Hawaii people to waive any privacy rights he has and let anybody get a copy who wanted it and was willing to pay for it.Obama could get about a hundred of them, for $10 each, and pass them out to reporters, Dr. Taitz, World Net Daily, etc. and THEN say, lookit here, this is what I did. Obama could get some extra ones and put them on display at the White House, where anybody who wanted to go to the White House, on a tour, could handle one for themselves.All these things would take the problem away from where it is just one special group can have it, and show a PICTURE.Personally, I don’t have to see it for myself if I know that people CAN actually do it if they want to.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    So are you willing to have your taxes raised to pay for the staffers salaries to handle all those requests? Do we allow multiple copies to groups or individuals? Dr Taitz has shown her proclivity to try getting people to lie for her so by your logic she’s not trustworthy. Worldnetdaily also has been caught lying so what they say wouldn’t be trust worthy for you. You have already said you don’t trust the Director of the Department of Health, any document released from her department like the one Obama got would not be trusted by you.

  397. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 4:26 pm #

    To SEF:

    I am sorry. I missed your good question in all the OBOT NOISE!!!

    You asked: “If a court requested it, the HI DOH provided the info, & the court accepted it would you accept that the question had been resolved? Would all the other birthers?”

    Me? I would probably accept it. 99.9% Chance unless there was something really fishy. If it was put into COURT, then somebody is involved who could put you in jail in you were lying. As a matter of fact, I suggested this possible way to do it the last time I was here.

    Other birthers? Most of the Common Sense Suspicious Birthers would, I think. The Vattle Birthers wouldn’t, because they think it doesn’t matter where he was born.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  398. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 4:29 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: To SEF:I am sorry. I missed your good question in all the OBOT NOISE!!!You asked: “If a court requested it, the HI DOH provided the info, & the court accepted it would you accept that the question had been resolved? Would all the other birthers?”Me? I would probably accept it. 99.9% Chance unless there was something really fishy. If it was put into COURT, then somebody is involved who could put you in jail in you were lying. As a matter of fact, I suggested this possible way to do it the last time I was here.Other birthers? Most of the Common Sense Suspicious Birthers would, I think. The Vattle Birthers wouldn’t, because they think it doesn’t matter where he was born.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    See you’ve already made yourself an out for not accepting it. There have been corrupt judges including one in Alabama who was too busy playing with a pump for his privates to actually give proper rulings so by your logic all judges are corrupt because of one judge. You’d also call the judge an activist judge if he rules against you.

  399. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 4:31 pm #

    Dr. Bob Ross:

    You said: So are you willing to have your taxes raised to pay for the staffers salaries to handle all those requests? Do we allow multiple copies to groups or individuals? Dr Taitz has shown her proclivity to try getting people to lie for her so by your logic she’s not trustworthy. Worldnetdaily also has been caught lying so what they say wouldn’t be trust worthy for you. You have already said you don’t trust the Director of the Department of Health, any document released from her department like the one Obama got would not be trusted by you.”

    The Hawaii people CHARGE MONEY for this stuff, so they wouldn’t hire anybody else unless millions of us want it, and if millions of us did, then that is $10 million dollars for Hawaii! I bet they could hire a few people and have money left over!!! What does people you call liars have to do with anything logical here??? Doesn’t Obama lie, too???

    Right???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  400. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 4:34 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Dr. Bob Ross:You said: So are you willing to have your taxes raised to pay for the staffers salaries to handle all those requests? Do we allow multiple copies to groups or individuals? Dr Taitz has shown her proclivity to try getting people to lie for her so by your logic she’s not trustworthy. Worldnetdaily also has been caught lying so what they say wouldn’t be trust worthy for you. You have already said you don’t trust the Director of the Department of Health, any document released from her department like the one Obama got would not be trusted by you.”The Hawaii people CHARGE MONEY for this stuff, so they wouldn’t hire anybody else unless millions of us want it, and if millions of us did, then that is $10 million dollars for Hawaii! I bet they could hire a few people and have money left over!!! What does people you call liars have to do with anything logical here??? Doesn’t Obama lie, too???Right???Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    No $10 would not cover the new staff they would need. You must think that the vital records department in the department of health is some huge entity. They would need staffers to meet your crazy requests unless they pull workers and dedicate them to only this.

    What relevant thing has Obama lied about?

    You’ve already said you don’t trust anyone in the government so any document they release you wouldn’t trust. You’ve already made an out for yourself

  401. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 4:34 pm #

    To Dr. Bob Ross:

    Are you like a Doctor of ESP or something???

    You said: See you’ve already made yourself an out for not accepting it. There have been corrupt judges including one in Alabama who was too busy playing with a pump for his privates to actually give proper rulings so by your logic all judges are corrupt because of one judge. You’d also call the judge an activist judge if he rules against you.”

    No, I said I would probably (99.9%) accept it. I haven’t called judges anything lately that I know of???? So, like are you TELEPATHETIC or something???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  402. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 4:35 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: To Dr. Bob Ross:Are you like a Doctor of ESP or something???You said: See you’ve already made yourself an out for not accepting it. There have been corrupt judges including one in Alabama who was too busy playing with a pump for his privates to actually give proper rulings so by your logic all judges are corrupt because of one judge. You’d also call the judge an activist judge if he rules against you.”No, I said I would probably (99.9%) accept it. I haven’t called judges anything lately that I know of???? So, like are you TELEPATHETIC or something???Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    You added the caveat in there. Maybe you’re not familiar with the english language but when you use words like “unless” after you make a statement you have created an out for yourself for not believing what you just claimed

  403. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 4:37 pm #

    Dr. Bob Ross:

    It’s $10 for EACH COPY!!! Duh!!! Not $10 total. Do a little thinking here! If one million people want one, then Hawaii charges $10 x 1 million which equals $10 million.

    Dr. Bob, it is pretty bad when I have to do math for somebody.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  404. avatar
    Greg November 11, 2010 at 4:38 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: ERGO, he got SHELLACKED last week.

    Thought experiment time.

    Pretend, for a second, that in 2008, Obama made his birth certificate available for everyone to see.

    He then does everything else exactly as he has done so far.

    You think that in 2010, having had access to the birth certificate, the unemployed would be less unemployed? That 48% of Americans wouldn’t think that health care reform sucks? That Americans would be pleased with TARP and the stimulus package and the bailouts?

    Exit polls last week showed that 40% of voters thought reducing the deficit should be the highest priority for the next Congress, 37% job creation, and 18% cutting taxes. 96% thought that the war in Afghanistan, Health Care, the economy, or illegal immigration was the biggest issue facing the nation. Right now, about 61% of Americans think the country is on the wrong track. 53% of Americans disapprove of Obama’s job performance on the economy, 52% disapprove of his handling of health care.

    In your world, the election was a reflection simply of the birth certificate issue, and had he released it, people would approve of him and the economy and health care.

    If the birth certificate were a winning issue, wouldn’t we have seen TV ads about it? Wouldn’t Republicans be racing to embrace the issue? But, didn’t the opposite happen? Those Republicans, like JD Hayworth, most closely tied to the birthers, lost in the primaries, and those who could be tarred with the extremist brush, like Sharron Angle (despite her strenuous denials of being a birther), lost in the general election.

    Show us the evidence, oh great debater. Show us a Senate or House seat won on the birther platform. Show us poll numbers that suggest that Obama’s birth certificate factored into any voters’ calculus in this last election.

  405. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 4:39 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Dr. Bob Ross:It’s $10 for EACH COPY!!! Duh!!! Not $10 total. Do a little thinking here! If one million people want one, then Hawaii charges $10 x 1 million which equals $10 million. Dr. Bob, it is pretty bad when I have to do math for somebody.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    The 10 million goes to other things besides staffing. So again you’re wanting people to pay money for something they have no right to see. I would be in favor of it if I could buy other presidents birth certificates as well.

  406. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 4:40 pm #

    Dr. Bob,

    I am just covering my bases. What if you try to put in an allonce???

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  407. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 4:41 pm #

    Greg: Thought experiment time. Pretend, for a second, that in 2008, Obama made his birth certificate available for everyone to see. He then does everything else exactly as he has done so far. You think that in 2010, having had access to the birth certificate, the unemployed would be less unemployed? That 48% of Americans wouldn’t think that health care reform sucks? That Americans would be pleased with TARP and the stimulus package and the bailouts? Exit polls last week showed that 40% of voters thought reducing the deficit should be the highest priority for the next Congress, 37% job creation, and 18% cutting taxes. 96% thought that the war in Afghanistan, Health Care, the economy, or illegal immigration was the biggest issue facing the nation. Right now, about 61% of Americans think the country is on the wrong track. 53% of Americans disapprove of Obama’s job performance on the economy, 52% disapprove of his handling of health care. In your world, the election was a reflection simply of the birth certificate issue, and had he released it, people would approve of him and the economy and health care. If the birth certificate were a winning issue, wouldn’t we have seen TV ads about it? Wouldn’t Republicans be racing to embrace the issue? But, didn’t the opposite happen? Those Republicans, like JD Hayworth, most closely tied to the birthers, lost in the primaries, and those who could be tarred with the extremist brush, like Sharron Angle (despite her strenuous denials of being a birther), lost in the general election. Show us the evidence, oh great debater. Show us a Senate or House seat won on the birther platform. Show us poll numbers that suggest that Obama’s birth certificate factored into any voters’ calculus in this last election.

    I saw one truther ad on tv during the election. I saw none for birthers

  408. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 4:42 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Dr. Bob,I am just covering my bases. What if you try to put in an allonce???Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    You have no bases to cover. You’re rationalizing your prejudices. Why haven’t you asked to see the birth certificate of any other president?

  409. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 4:46 pm #

    Dr. Bob,

    But if you try to slip in an allonge, instead of a bumpy Birth Certificate, then you would TECHNICALLY be doing what you say, but not really. Put in a REAL bumpy Birth Certificate, and I am a happy Vampire!!! (I don’t like Camping, unless it is just being outside late at night, like until 4:00 or something.)

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  410. avatar
    Keith November 11, 2010 at 4:49 pm #

    JoZeppy: You see, the reality is, most people think know you’re nutters.

    Fixed it for you.

  411. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 4:51 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Dr. Bob,But if you try to slip in an allonge, instead of a bumpy Birth Certificate, then you would TECHNICALLY be doing what you say, but not really. Put in a REAL bumpy Birth Certificate, and I am a happy Vampire!!! (I don’t like Camping, unless it is just being outside late at night, like until 4:00 or something.)Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Wrong word usage. An allonge would not be applicable in this case. You might want to know what words mean before you try to use them. Should he slip a vial of blood to every one who asks for his BC as well? Again why would you trust a document coming from an entity you’ve already stated you don’t trust? Why didn’t you ask to see any other president’s BC?

  412. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 4:53 pm #

    Greg:

    Sorry, I missed yours too in all the NOISE!!!

    But, OK. This poll person said:

    The results here are somewhat heartening. I found that the more of these factual questions the respondents got right, the more likely they were to think that Obama was a citizen. Contrary to the findings of some scholars who examined beliefs about rumors concerning death panels, I found that information had the same effect for both Democrats and Republicans. However, the news is not all rosy on this score; even information can only get us so far. There were large differences between the beliefs of Democrats and Republicans at all levels of political attentiveness and even among Republicans who got all three of my factual questions right, 27 percent believed that Obama was not born in the U.S.

    http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_shows_false_obama_beliefs.php?nr=1

    Unlike the STUPID Obots, I try to do my homework!!!

    Another way to look at this is the “racism” thing everybody says. There weren’t any “racist” candidates either that I know of, and no “racist” platform. Sooo, are you Obots ready to be consistent with your own views and drop that stuff????

    Because if you aren’t, then LOGICALLY I can use the CNN poll stuff without comment from the Obots.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  413. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 4:58 pm #

    Dr. Bob Ross:

    Well, I know you are sure NOT a Doctor of LOGIC! Soooo, let me ask you:

    Do you believe everything somebody in government tells you???

    (Yes or no is all I need, not a dissertation on government. But BE CAREFUL, Dr. Bob! I am setting a trap for you!!!)

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  414. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 5:01 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Dr. Bob Ross:Well, I know you are sure NOT a Doctor of LOGIC! Soooo, let me ask you:Do you believe everything somebody in government tells you???(Yes or no is all I need, not a dissertation on government. But BE CAREFUL, Dr. Bob! I am setting a trap for you!!!)Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    Do you believe everyone is out to get you because of what your father did to you when you were a little girl?

  415. avatar
    ellid November 11, 2010 at 5:09 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Dr. Bob,I am just covering my bases. What if you try to put in an allonce???Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    There’s no such word as “allonce.”

  416. avatar
    Greg November 11, 2010 at 5:11 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Another way to look at this is the “racism” thing everybody says.

    Are people arguing that Democrats lost because Obama’s black? Where? I’d ask them the same questions – if a white Democrat were in office and did everything that Obama did (health care, TARP, bailouts, etc.) would more people have voted for Democratic house members?

  417. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 5:13 pm #

    Dr. Bob Ross:

    Well, you fell right into the trap! Because I asked you pretty much a yes or no question, “Do you believe everything somebody in government tells you???”

    The “right” answer here is NO! Because nobody believes everything somebody in government tells them. That would have been the safe answer for you.

    BUT, you chose to DODGE answering because I told you it was a TRAP. By DODGING, you admit BOTH that that nobody believes everything government tells them AND I am not just TOTALLY STUPID to have doubts!!!

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  418. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 5:19 pm #

    Greg:
    Are people arguing that Democrats lost because Obama’s black? Where? I’d ask them the same questions – if a white Democrat were in office and did everything that Obama did (health care, TARP, bailouts, etc.) would more people have voted for Democratic house members?

    No, that is not what I am saying. I say that 27% to 58% of Americans having some degree of doubt about where Obama is a bad thing, and means my KISS analysis is pretty correct, that he should be addressing this problem. And that the SHELLACKING was helped along a lot by us QUESTIONERS (Birthers).

    OBOTS, then say “OH NO! Birthers don’t count, and lookit nobody ran on a Birther platform as a Birther, so you CAN’T be right.”

    My response is, “AHA! But Obots like to call us Birther’s racists, and blame racism for being part of Obama’s defeat, but IF you apply the same standard to YOU that you do to US, then you have to admit that no candidate ran on a racist platform as a racist.

    Sooo, if you want to say Birthers don’t count for that reason, then you need to also say Racists don’t count for the same reason.

    These are the kinds of things Obots miss by hanging out with other Obots and NOT questioning stuff, and themselves, enough.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  419. avatar
    Majority Will November 11, 2010 at 5:20 pm #

    Sandpoint, ID, the alleged birthplace of Sarah Palin (10th cousin of Barack Obama and 8th cousin of George W. Bush), is only one hour south of the Canadian border.

    How do we know she is a natural born citizen? Where were her parents born? Where are her kindergarten records? She’s admitted to using the Canadian health care system. Is that because she’s still a citizen of her native Canada or was it just fraud?

    “We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada. And I think now, isn’t that ironic?” –Sarah Palin, admitting that her family used to get treatment in Canada’s single-payer health care system, despite having demonized such government-run programs as socialized medicine that will lead to death-panel-like rationing, March 6, 2010

    Isn’t hustle another word for scam?

  420. avatar
    JoZeppy November 11, 2010 at 5:21 pm #

    Keith: Fixed it for you.

    Keith: JoZeppy: You see, the reality is, most people think know you’re nutters.
    Fixed it for you.

    thanks….much better that way

  421. avatar
    Jody November 11, 2010 at 5:22 pm #

    Squeeky,

    In case you missed my last comment, which you have not answered yet:

    Jody:
    No, actually, I never stepped foot in the bank to set up the account. I sent them PICTURES of my drivers license and Social Security card to set it up. They accepted those pictures because they are backed up by the State and Federal agencies that issued them. Exactly the same as the Department of Health in Hawaii backs up the COLB that it issued to the President.

  422. avatar
    BatGuano November 11, 2010 at 5:24 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Obama could sign a Power of Attorney to the Hawaii people

    well, right off the bat i don’t think you can sign power-of-attorney to multiple people. if my parents signed off, on their death, the power of attorney to the state of california……. does that mean any resident of california can freely withdraw from their bank account ?

  423. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 5:28 pm #

    Bats:

    Make the Power of Attorney to the HAWAII BIRTH CERTIFICATE people! Like I said. That is just ONE Power of Attorney Obama has to do, not 300 million.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  424. avatar
    JoZeppy November 11, 2010 at 5:31 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: AND I am not just TOTALLY STUPID to have doubts!!!

    No…it’s pretty clear….you and your doubts are totally stupid.

  425. avatar
    BatGuano November 11, 2010 at 5:32 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Bats:Make the Power of Attorney to the HAWAII BIRTH CERTIFICATE people! Like I said. That is just ONE Power of Attorney Obama has to do, not 300 million.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    which would then be…….. 1million ? 3 million ? how many people in hawaii ?

  426. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 5:33 pm #

    Jody: Squeeky,
    In case you missed my last comment, which you have not answered yet:

    I didn’t miss it, I just am curious how this bank works. I have to give a fingerprint to even cash a check at some other bank.

    Plus they ran a credit check on me to just set up a personal checking account. Then for my company, I had to bring in Articles of Corporation, and signed notarized thingies about who at the company could sign checks and do things.

    If your bank is happy setting up checking accounts with PICTURES over the Internet, then that is good for you, but OH BOY, I bet they are going to have some real problems if people start stealing IDs and setting up phony accounts!

    And really, if somebody in Nigeria gives you a check, DON’T DEPOSIT IT!!! Bad things can happen to your account!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  427. avatar
    Greg November 11, 2010 at 5:37 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: AHA! But Obots like to call us Birther’s racists, and blame racism for being part of Obama’s defeat

    And I asked WHERE ARE THEY CLAIMING THAT DEMOCRATS LOST BECAUSE OBAMA IS BLACK?

    If you can point me to a single commentator saying that Democrats lost because Obama is black, then I’ll ask them the same questions I asked, specifically, show me some evidence that a white President would have led to a SMALLER SHELLACKING!

    To your specific challenge:

    Sooo, if you want to say Birthers don’t count for that reason, then you need to also say Racists don’t count for the same reason.

    I say, specifically, no Democrat lost a seat because Obama is black. Democrats would have lost the same number of seats (if not more) if Hillary Clinton, Bill Richardson, Al Gore, or someone else were President.

    I say “if not more” because Democrats like Harry Reid were able to successfully cast their opponents as nutty fruitcakes by, among other things, tying her to birthers. The Colorado Republican candidate for governor blamed his loss and that of Ken Buck’s on the candidacy of Tom Tancredo, who said that Obama should be impeached and sent back to Kenya.

    So, I can point to two/three races influenced by birthers – wins for Democrats because birthers are seen as nutsos. Can you point to any evidence that birtherism helped any Republican?

  428. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 5:39 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Dr. Bob Ross:Well, you fell right into the trap! Because I asked you pretty much a yes or no question, “Do you believe everything somebody in government tells you???”The “right” answer here is NO! Because nobody believes everything somebody in government tells them. That would have been the safe answer for you.BUT, you chose to DODGE answering because I told you it was a TRAP. By DODGING, you admit BOTH that that nobody believes everything government tells them AND I am not just TOTALLY STUPID to have doubts!!!Tee Hee! Tee Hee!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    incorrect I asked you a question you’ve dodged before. Rational people don’t believe an opposition party would lie to cover for an opponent that theyre actively complaining against. You have shown no reason to not believe a state official. How does your paranoia square with your power of attorney scenario if you have a preconceived notion that the department that would be tasked with releasing the document that you want released to the public is lying?

  429. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 5:40 pm #

    BatGuano:
    which would then be…….. 1million ? 3 million ? how many people in hawaii ?

    Bats:

    Let me write it for you:

    POWER OF ATTORNEY

    To Hawaii Department of Birth Certificates:

    I hereby give you my Power of Attorney to give my consent to anybody who wants one, a certified copy of my birth stuff. I just waive all the privacy stuff. But, they have to pay for it, NOT ME!!! This is good for one year from this date. This power of attorney is NOT GOOD for anything else so don’t try to get a credit card in my name or anything like that, or I will sue you!!!

    Yours Truly

    Barack Hussein Obama
    President

    I am a notary for the White House, and I swear that President Obama himself signed this Power of Attorney on today’s date:

    Notary Public

    Soooo, that is how you do it!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  430. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 5:41 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm:
    I didn’t miss it, I just am curious how this bank works. I have to give a fingerprint to even cash a check at some other bank.Plus they ran a credit check on me to just set up a personal checking account. Then for my company, I had to bring in Articles of Corporation, and signed notarized thingies about who at the company could sign checks and do things.If your bank is happy setting up checking accounts with PICTURES over the Internet, then that is good for you, but OH BOY, I bet they are going to have some real problems if people start stealing IDs and setting up phony accounts!And really, if somebody in Nigeria gives you a check, DON’T DEPOSIT IT!!! Bad things can happen to your account!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    probably because your bank has just cause to believe youre a liar and doesn’t trust you.

  431. avatar
    BatGuano November 11, 2010 at 5:42 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Bats:Make the Power of Attorney to the HAWAII BIRTH CERTIFICATE people! Like I said. That is just ONE Power of Attorney Obama has to do, not 300 million.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    as i tried to state before ( but missed the mark )….. from my own personal experience ” power-of-attorney” is only given to a single person or established entity.

  432. avatar
    Majority Will November 11, 2010 at 5:49 pm #

    Greg:
    And I asked WHERE ARE THEY CLAIMING THAT DEMOCRATS LOST BECAUSE OBAMA IS BLACK?
    If you can point me to a single commentator saying that Democrats lost because Obama is black, then I’ll ask them the same questions I asked, specifically, show me some evidence that a white President would have led to a SMALLER SHELLACKING!To your specific challenge:I say, specifically, no Democrat lost a seat because Obama is black. Democrats would have lost the same number of seats (if not more) if Hillary Clinton, Bill Richardson, Al Gore, or someone else were President.
    I say “if not more” because Democrats like Harry Reid were able to successfully cast their opponents as nutty fruitcakes by, among other things, tying her to birthers. The Colorado Republican candidate for governor blamed his loss and that of Ken Buck’s on the candidacy of Tom Tancredo, who said that Obama should be impeached and sent back to Kenya.
    So, I can point to two/three races influenced by birthers – wins for Democrats because birthers are seen as nutsos. Can you point to any evidence that birtherism helped any Republican?

    When Bill Richardson ran for President was there a birther outcry that his mother was Mexican and that he had lived in Mexico City until he started the eighth grade in the U.S.?

    I can’t recall any birther protests.

  433. avatar
    Majority Will November 11, 2010 at 5:51 pm #

    Majority Will:
    When Bill Richardson ran for President was there a birther outcry that his mother was Mexican and that he had lived in Mexico City until he started the eighth grade in the U.S.?I can’t recall any birther protests.

    And more specifically, I’m wondering if Mario, the alleged constitutional scholar, or any of the birther bigots challenged his candidacy with the de Vattel nonsense?

  434. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 6:00 pm #

    BatGuano:
    as i tried to state before ( but missed the mark )….. from my own personal experience ” power-of-attorney” is only given to a single person or established entity.

    Bats:

    Read it again, The HAWAII Department of Birth Certificates IS ONE ENTITY.

    This is NOT hard.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  435. avatar
    Majority Will November 11, 2010 at 6:08 pm #

    Majority Will:
    And more specifically, I’m wondering if Mario, the alleged constitutional scholar, or any of the birther bigots challenged his candidacy with the de Vattel nonsense?

    And according to one source, Bill Richardson’s father, William B. Richardson Jr., was actually born on a boat heading to Nicaragua.

    But since Bill was born in Pasadena, CA, he is, of course, a natural born citizen.

    I haven’t found any birther outrage on his candidacy.

  436. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 6:23 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm:
    Bats:Read it again, The HAWAII Department of Birth Certificates IS ONE ENTITY.This is NOT hard.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    There is no such thing as the Hawaii Department of Birth Certificates

  437. avatar
    jamese777 November 11, 2010 at 6:27 pm #

    I think that it would be best to not have Barack Obama involved in the release of any birth document from the state of Hawai’i. That way, the release can be totally “clean.”
    The laws of Hawai’i allow a confidential birth record to be released without the permission of the person named on the record to: “a person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction.” In other words, via a subpoena.

    If anybody really, truly, honestly needs to see Barack Hussein Obama II’s birth certificate, they should go to a judge and get a subpoena for that document.

  438. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 11, 2010 at 6:39 pm #

    To Dr. Bob Ross:

    I am changing your name to Dr. Ken Little Picture!!! Sooooo, whoever the right Hawaii people are!!!

    But I am getting ready to go out and drink margies and eat Mexican food sooo Good Night Obots!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  439. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 11, 2010 at 6:50 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: To Dr. Bob Ross:I am changing your name to Dr. Ken Little Picture!!! Sooooo, whoever the right Hawaii people are!!!But I am getting ready to go out and drink margies and eat Mexican food sooo Good Night Obots!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    Once again why give power of attorney to an agency you already have said you don’t trust?

  440. avatar
    BatGuano November 11, 2010 at 6:59 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm:
    Bats:Read it again, The HAWAII Department of Birth Certificates IS ONE ENTITY.

    as in the same meaning that the “rolling stones” are the same entity as the “new york dolls” as are the same as “ziggy stardust” as are the same as ” iggy pop and the stooges” as are the same as “sweet” are as the same as “kiss” are as “dead kennedys” are as the same as “tsol” are as the same as “devo”…….

  441. avatar
    Jody November 11, 2010 at 8:37 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm:
    I didn’t miss it, I just am curious how this bank works. I have to give a fingerprint to even cash a check at some other bank.Plus they ran a credit check on me to just set up a personal checking account. Then for my company, I had to bring in Articles of Corporation, and signed notarized thingies about who at the company could sign checks and do things.If your bank is happy setting up checking accounts with PICTURES over the Internet, then that is good for you, but OH BOY, I bet they are going to have some real problems if people start stealing IDs and setting up phony accounts!And really, if somebody in Nigeria gives you a check, DON’T DEPOSIT IT!!! Bad things can happen to your account!!!Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    So you have no reason doubt the COLB, but some vague doubts?

  442. avatar
    obsolete November 11, 2010 at 8:39 pm #

    The fake “Squeeky Fromm” troll has really run it’s course at this site.
    This IS NOT the “Squeeky Fromm” that was a grossly obese mental case PUMA who may or may not have seduced her father, THAT “Squeeky Fromm” has gone dark on the internet and is likely a heart disease victim or suicide statistic.
    IF nobody responds to this fake “Squeeky Fromm”, it will eventually go away, which will raise the discussion quality here significantly.

  443. avatar
    BatGuano November 11, 2010 at 9:29 pm #

    obsolete: IF nobody responds to this fake “Squeeky Fromm”, it will eventually go away, which will raise the discussion quality here significantly.

    i zig-zag back and forth whether i agree with you or not. for the longest time ( 13days in e-years ) i avoided making any post to squeeky because i honestly believe she has mental and/or emotional problems that are only acerbated by this kind of instant gratification quid pro quo. obviously i haven’t followed my own advice.

    yet……. altho i’ve seen this scenario play out once before with very bad results…… i wish all the best for her and her loved ones. we can not protect the internet from the internet.

  444. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 11, 2010 at 9:47 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: If your bank is happy setting up checking accounts with PICTURES over the Internet, then that is good for you, but OH BOY, I bet they are going to have some real problems if people start stealing IDs and setting up phony accounts!

    Opening bank accounts by mail is not at all uncommon. Just off hand I know that Ally Bank and Discover Bank do that. You can set up brokerage accounts with banking services at many online service including Fidelity and Scottrade.

  445. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP November 11, 2010 at 9:50 pm #

    My goodness, the circus was in town with it’s main attraction, Squeeky the Clown, and I missed it. I have a question. Whys is Squiggy not put into moderation for calling people names and acting like a general nuisance? She doesn’t even get fined.

  446. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 11, 2010 at 9:52 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: OBOTS, then say “OH NO! Birthers don’t count, and lookit nobody ran on a Birther platform as a Birther, so you CAN’T be right.”

    My response is, “AHA! But Obots like to call us Birther’s racists, and blame racism for being part of Obama’s defeat, but IF you apply the same standard to YOU that you do to US, then you have to admit that no candidate ran on a racist platform as a racist.

    Sooo, if you want to say Birthers don’t count for that reason, then you need to also say Racists don’t count for the same reason.

    I think the real point is that birthers come from the group of people who wouldn’t vote for Obama or anyone remotely progressive anyway. If every birther were convinced Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, it wouldn’t make any difference in the vote.

  447. avatar
    BatGuano November 11, 2010 at 9:58 pm #

    when i opened up my first checking account so me and the better half could get a joint account….. they only accepted my COSTCO card and current driver’s liscence…… they rejected my original birth certificate and expired passport.

  448. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 11, 2010 at 10:01 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: By DODGING, [Dr. Bob Ross] admit BOTH that that nobody believes everything government tells them AND I am not just TOTALLY STUPID to have doubts!!!

    The problem with birthers is that they have trouble discriminating from reliable information and unreliable information. Here Squeeky seems to say that one is right to doubt everything the government says because sometimes the government lies. A birther might say: that there is a birth certificate from Hawaii, and one from Kenya, so they cancel themselves out, but one is from a state agency and the other from a convicted forger.

    I trust the government when the publish the inflation rate, or the index of leading economic indicators. I certainly trust a politician who says something against his or her own interest (like a Republican governor of Hawaii saying Barack Obama was born there). I trust historical records (like newspaper birth lists and FOIA documents) over edited tapes of someone’s step grandmother cut off before she could explain a misunderstanding.

    Is the inability to make rational judgments over what to trust and what not to trust that dooms the birthers to their particular malady. Confirmation bias may be the underlying mechanism.

  449. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 12, 2010 at 12:05 am #

    Dr. C:

    I don’t think anybody believes everything the government says. I have doubts about Frujinko whatever and those doubts get even more when nothing continues to get coughed up. Because, WHY should we have to trust what somebody says when it is just a $10 document??? If I had the choice of asking you to trust me, or just coughing up a $10 document, then I would just spend the $10.

    WHY all this run around and all these problems over a simple $10 document. WHY the hand off to some group to put a PICTURE on the Internet?? WHY people going to jail, and Obots spending lots of time teasing Birthers and being “Birfessed” over a $10 document???

    I think the KISS stuff covers the possibilities. But if you all want to, you can spend another few years discussing questions that a $10 document would answer for a lot of people. I wonder WHY go taking a chance on the 58% of Americans who have some degree of doubt about where you are born, over a $10 document???

    You see, the confirmation bias thing goes for Obots, too. Not just QUESTIONERS (Birthers) Everybody can catch this disease. You just have to open up your mind to cure it.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  450. avatar
    misha November 12, 2010 at 12:33 am #

    Squeeky Fromm: I have doubts about Frujinko whatever and those doubts get even more when nothing continues to get coughed up.

    Contact Darrell Issa: http://forms.house.gov/issa/webforms/contact.html

  451. avatar
    obsolete November 12, 2010 at 3:30 am #

    Wasn’t it nice just now with a small series of posts without any from the fake “Squeeky Fromm”?
    Then it posted, and things degraded again, didn’t they?
    Seriously,Ignore the fake “Squeeky Fromm” and this will instantly become a better place with more thoughtful discussion.

    How many more hundreds of posts do you want to read that contain phrases & eyesores like:
    “tee hee!”
    “BUMPY certificate”
    “Girl Reporter!”
    “Dr. Frujinko”
    “a PICTURE on the Internet??”
    “a $10 document???”
    “Bats:Make the Power of Attorney to the HAWAII BIRTH CERTIFICATE people!”
    “AHA!”

    Do you like reading this crap hundreds of times over & over? Why keep punishing yourself by replying to this nonsense only so you can keep seeing it posted? Cut the fake “Squeeky Fromm” out and let it drift away…

  452. avatar
    BatGuano November 12, 2010 at 3:56 am #

    Squeeky Fromm: …the 58% of Americans who have some degree of doubt ..

    i love this one. are you 100% sure that the chef has not put some human waste in your food ? …….yet you ate it.

  453. avatar
    Sef November 12, 2010 at 11:28 am #

    BatGuano:
    i love this one. are you 100% sure that the chef has not put some human waste in your food ? …….yet you ate it.

    Do you REALLY want to know what’s in the Big Mac “special sauce”?

  454. avatar
    Arthur November 12, 2010 at 1:23 pm #

    obsolete: Wasn’t it nice just now with a small series of posts without any from the fake “Squeeky Fromm”?
    Then it posted, and things degraded again, didn’t they? Why keep punishing yourself by replying to this nonsense only so you can keep seeing it posted? Cut the fake “Squeeky Fromm” out and let it drift away…

    I agree with obsolete. While it’s often satisfying to counter birther misinformation with reason and evidence, it’s not worth anyone’s time to respond to the fake one. It is only here to seek attention through idiocy. Reply not, and it will wither like a desiccated plant.

  455. avatar
    Majority Will November 12, 2010 at 2:53 pm #

    Sef:
    Do you REALLY want to know what’s in the Big Mac “special sauce”?

    Is it anything like the Jack sauce from Jack In The Box? Yeah, it’s buttermilk. Right.

  456. avatar
    Majority Will November 12, 2010 at 2:55 pm #

    obsolete: Wasn’t it nice just now with a small series of posts without any from the fake “Squeeky Fromm”?
    Then it posted, and things degraded again, didn’t they?
    Seriously,Ignore the fake “Squeeky Fromm” and this will instantly become a better place with more thoughtful discussion.How many more hundreds of posts do you want to read that contain phrases & eyesores like:
    “tee hee!”
    “BUMPY certificate”
    “Girl Reporter!”
    “Dr. Frujinko”
    “a PICTURE on the Internet??”
    “a $10 document???”
    “Bats:Make the Power of Attorney to the HAWAII BIRTH CERTIFICATE people!”
    “AHA!”Do you like reading this crap hundreds of times over & over? Why keep punishing yourself by replying to this nonsense only so you can keep seeing it posted? Cut the fake “Squeeky Fromm” out and let it drift away…

    It reminded me of the Argument Clinic from Monty Python but without the humor.

  457. avatar
    Sef November 12, 2010 at 2:59 pm #

    Majority Will:
    It reminded me of the Argument Clinic from Monty Python but without the humor.

    No, it didn’t.

  458. avatar
    Majority Will November 12, 2010 at 3:27 pm #

    Sef:
    No, it didn’t.

    Oh, I’m sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?

    ๐Ÿ˜€

  459. avatar
    Sef November 12, 2010 at 3:34 pm #

    Majority Will:
    Oh, I’m sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?

    Sorry, I thought this was the “Enlightenment Blog”. Must be next door.

  460. avatar
    Majority Will November 12, 2010 at 4:02 pm #

    Sef:
    Sorry, I thought this was the “Enlightenment Blog”.Must be next door.

    This is abuse! You want room 12A just along the corridor.

  461. avatar
    misha November 12, 2010 at 4:12 pm #

    Majority Will: It reminded me of the Argument Clinic from Monty Python but without the humor.

    Sef: No, it didn’t.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

  462. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 12, 2010 at 4:28 pm #

    Oh Silly Obots!

    I guess it just hits a nerve when I keep saying “$10 document” and “58%” ! But you are right that this is not the Argument Clinic. Because really you Obots don’t argue much. You just Tromp Tromp Tromp one right behind the other!!! Not even one of you has enough independent mind to say that maybe Obama ought to cough it up. And not even one of you believes the 58% poll, even when I give the place, and Chris Matthews tells you too. Maybe it is that “confirmation bias” thing????

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  463. avatar
    Greg November 12, 2010 at 6:19 pm #

    More people believe in ghosts than believe in the Big Bang. But, if a political candidate said that he/she believed in ghosts, but not the Big Bang, it would be fodder for political ads casting him/her as a crackpot (see Christine O’Donnell and the mice with fully functioning human brains).

    That 58% of Americans have “doubts” about Obama’s birthplace is a meaningless statistic if the politicians who embrace those doubts are punished at the polls (see Tom Tancredo and Sharron Angle).

    In my debate days, we often quoted Mark Twain, “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.”

  464. avatar
    Majority Will November 12, 2010 at 6:21 pm #

    misha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

    Nice. Thanks!

  465. avatar
    Majority Will November 12, 2010 at 6:25 pm #

    Greg: (see Christine O’Donnell and the mice with fully functioning human brains)

    She probably thought Stuart Little was a documentary.

  466. avatar
    The Magic M November 12, 2010 at 7:44 pm #

    > Not even one of you has enough independent mind to say that maybe Obama ought to cough it up.

    If you only consider those who agree with you to have an “independent mind”, you’ve got another thing coming. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    But it’s funny how the self-proclaimed “critical thinkers” can neither apply nor stand critical inspection of their own arguments. And how self-proclaimed “info warriors” state they “believe” nothing and want to “know”, yet their entire conspiracy theory house-of-cards is built entirely about belief (hence the better term “conspiracy religion”). Because while everything for which there is ample proof is rejected (as false, forged, fabricated, doctored, …), they take for granted everything some crackpot writes on his blog without further proof or even logical reasoning.

    These people are the same all over the world; in the US, they claim they’re the good guys and evil European Muslim communists want to take over, in Europe they’re the good guys and evil US/Israel Jewish communists want to take over.
    I think it might bring world peace forward if we just threw these groups together in a room. With bates. Spiked ones. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  467. avatar
    The Magic M November 12, 2010 at 7:46 pm #

    Duh, it’s late.

    Replace “about belief” with “upon belief” and “bates” with “bats”. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  468. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 12, 2010 at 8:45 pm #

    To Magic M:

    You said: “If you only consider those who agree with you to have an “independent mind”, you’ve got another thing coming.”

    No, I don’t think that. I just find it interesting that all of the Obots here have the same view of Obama coughing it up. When that idea of solving problems is really neither pro-Birther nor pro-Obot. It’s just a possible answer. (In other words, even a good Obot could believe coughing it up was a good idea.)

    Same with the 58% CNN poll. It is neither pro-Birther or Pro-Obot. It is just a poll,. Yet,every Obot here just poo-poos it. Sorry, but that is just way too much conformity to be normal. I am beginning to think everybody here takes baths together.

    And this is true even though Obama just got SHELLACKED. You would think that some people would be fussing back and forth here, like this:

    Obot #1: No,Obama has to quit dodging this! He has to cough it up! The Birthers are killing us!

    Obot#2: No way we can advocate that! What, do you want, the Birthers to think they won???

    Obot#1: But they DID win. They just made us their b*tches! Squeeky Fromm is putting me out on the street tonight to “make Momma some money!” It is HUMILIATING!!!

    Obot#2: But we aren’t even sure where he is from. What if it is Conneticut? I can’t take this stress anymore!!!

    Obot#3: Can’t we all just get along???

    That is the type of give and take thing you expect to see among THINKING independent minded people.

    Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  469. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 12, 2010 at 9:21 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: I just find it interesting that all of the Obots here have the same view of Obama coughing it up.

    I don’t think it is really that interesting. The defining characteristic of an Obot (if such a definition exists) is being anti-birther; it is not being pro-Obama. So just as birthers are characterized by the desire to examine any conceivable piece of evidence to be able to find a smoking gun of Obama ineligibility, so Obots deny that birthers have any valid reason for such an examination.

    I am sure that there are many Obama supporters would be quite happy for Obama to publish another birth certificate, but then they wouldn’t be Obots, would they?

  470. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm November 12, 2010 at 9:51 pm #

    Dr. C:

    Taking your definition a teeny weeny bit further, what is the supposed reason why we ask such questions about Obama??? Is it a cover for political reasons, which I have read in a lot of places??? Because if so, then there is a POLITICAL component to our search, and as anti-Birthers, you would expect there to be a POLITICAL component to end our search.

    Soooo, politically, if coughing it up would help you politically, then you would release it. But you don’t which leads right into my No.4 KISS Reason, “SLIMY.Obama thinks it is OK to make some Americans look crazy if it gets him votes.”

    Like I said in KISS, if Obama isn’t from Kenya, then the other reasons to not cough it up are worse! Not to mention that it didn’t work, either. Obama got SHELLACKED!

    Plus, if you distinguish between Obots and Obama supporters, then you set up a situation where what you Obots want is different from what is best for Obama. Which paradoxically makes you Obots his enemies and us Birthers his friends. I would sure like to see that get admitted in our arguments here, that what I want is better for Obama than what you Obots want.

    Because actually I have already said that a whole lot. I kind of have you coming and going here.

    Plus, I said HI! to you at greatwire.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  471. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 12, 2010 at 10:35 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Dr. C:Taking your definition a teeny weeny bit further, what is the supposed reason why we ask such questions about Obama??? Is it a cover for political reasons, which I have read in a lot of places??? Because if so, then there is a POLITICAL component to our search, and as anti-Birthers, you would expect there to be a POLITICAL component to end our search.Soooo, politically, if coughing it up would help you politically, then you would release it. But you don’t which leads right into my No.4 KISS Reason, “SLIMY.Obama thinks it is OK to make some Americans look crazy if it gets him votes.”Like I said in KISS, if Obama isn’t from Kenya, then the other reasons to not cough it up are worse! Not to mention that it didn’t work, either. Obama got SHELLACKED!Plus, if you distinguish between Obots and Obama supporters, then you set up a situation where what you Obots want is different from what is best for Obama. Which paradoxically makes you Obots his enemies and us Birthers his friends. I would sure like to see that get admitted in our arguments here, that what I want is better for Obama than what you Obots want.Because actually I have already said that a whole lot. I kind of have you coming and going here.
    Plus, I said HI! to you at greatwire.Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    I’ll ask you again Squeeks since you’ve dodged this question every time. What difference would another document being released make since you’ve already decided that the agency tasked with the documentation is lying? You’ve already said you don’t believe the department of health and can’t trust them so why would you trust a document released by them?

  472. avatar
    Dave November 12, 2010 at 10:38 pm #

    DrC: The term Obot certainly has no official definition, so there is room to disagree about its meaning — but I believe it is most commonly used to mean an Obama supporter. It is intended to imply that the President’s supporters are mindless worshippers, a common wingnut meme.

  473. avatar
    Lupin November 13, 2010 at 3:34 am #

    I don’t really understand the bit about there being two “Squeeky Fromm” but the one we have here is a person which clearly has mental problems or at the very least poses (very convincingly) as someone with mental problems; I once visited his/her (?) website and there were clues that this person isn’t altogether in good mental health and is peripherally aware of it.

    Plus, when confronted with simple evidence, this person will dodge or skip over the point, repeatedly, and it is therefore totally pointless to engage him/her; in fact, I think it only aggravates this person’s condition. This is a person who needs therapy or treatment, not delusion-reinforcing circular arguments.

    My 2 cents would be to suggest to engage him/her any further.

  474. avatar
    Lupin November 13, 2010 at 3:34 am #

    Sorry: I meant: … to NOT engage him/her…

  475. avatar
    The Magic M November 13, 2010 at 6:46 am #

    > The Birthers are killing us!

    Funny, I don’t recall a landslide of pro-birther politicians having won the election…

    > That is the type of give and take thing you expect to see among THINKING independent minded people.

    No, just like you will *not* find the following give and take among “thinking independent minded people” on a physics forum:

    SciBot #1: No, NASA has to quit dodging this! They have to prove the moon is not made from cheese! The Cheesers are killing us!

    SciBot #2: No way we can advocate that! What, do you want, the Cheesers to think they won???

    SciBot #1: But they DID win. They just made us their b*tches! Spacy Frotz is putting me out on the street tonight to “make Momma some money!” It is HUMILIATING!!!

    SciBot #2: But we aren’t even sure what it is made of. What if it is strawberry? I can’t take this stress anymore!!!

    SciBot #3: Can’t we all just get along???

    See? ๐Ÿ˜‰

  476. avatar
    Greg November 13, 2010 at 9:38 am #

    Squeeky Fromm: And this is true even though Obama just got SHELLACKED.

    If you could point to a single piece of evidence that the one thing had to do with the other, you might find people arguing about whether he should release his birth certificate.

    Glee was a rerun on election day. Should we be arguing whether the Feds should force Glee to only run new episodes on election days in the future?

    I think most Democrats, here and elsewhere, think they lost because the policies of the President were not explained well enough. Most Republicans, here and elsewhere, think Democrats lost because the policies of the President were hugely unpopular.

    If the losers don’t think the birthers hurt them and the winners don’t think the birthers helped them, why would anyone be talking about them?

  477. avatar
    aarrgghh November 13, 2010 at 10:08 am #

    Squeeky Fromm: I would sure like to see that get admitted in our arguments here, that what I want is better for Obama than what you Obots want.

    i believe this is the definition of a concern troll.

  478. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 13, 2010 at 10:14 am #

    To Greg:

    First I gave you the CNN poll and the Chris Matthews video. This was not enough, The fact that Obama got overwhelmingly SHELLACKED was not enough. Then, I gave you this link above somewhere.

    http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_shows_false_obama_beliefs.php?nr=1

    I am sure you will not agree with it either, because it does not confirm your bias.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  479. avatar
    Majority Will November 13, 2010 at 10:30 am #

    aarrgghh:
    i believe this is the definition of a concern troll.

    However, Doc responds to “her.” And since this is his site, “she” has his approval to post. My opinion that this troll just repeatedly craps on his carpet is therefore irrelevant.

    The idiotic troll wins. Rock on Squeeky. We have been shellacked.

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    The Magic M November 13, 2010 at 11:28 am #

    Squeeky, what’s that link supposed to tell?

    That 20% of Americans think that Obama is a Muslim, 25-27% think he was not born in America and 18% think that the sun revolves around the Earth? Now that is a nice wrapup of how a certain part of the population thinks, isn’t it? Might as well throw in the percentage of people who believe Germany is still governed by the Nazis or all Australians are convicted criminals. If the shoe fits…

  481. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 13, 2010 at 1:02 pm #

    Squeeks you keep avoiding this question… I’ll ask you again Squeeks since you’ve dodged this question every time. What difference would another document being released make since you’ve already decided that the agency tasked with the documentation is lying? You’ve already said you don’t believe the department of health and can’t trust them so why would you trust a document released by them?

  482. avatar
    Joey November 13, 2010 at 1:14 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Squeeks you keep avoiding this question… I’ll ask you again Squeeks since you’ve dodged this question every time. What difference would another document being released make since you’ve already decided that the agency tasked with the documentation is lying? You’ve already said you don’t believe the department of health and can’t trust them so why would you trust a document released by them?

    I think Squeaky Fromm owes everyone an answer to the question.

    Would Squeaky trust vital records released by the State of Hawai’i or would “she” not trust those records?

    Remember that in three weeks, Barack Hussein Obama’s closest personal friend in politics, Neil Abercrombie becomes the new Governor of Hawai’i and a Democratic administration replaces the Republican administration in that state.

    The “shellacking” did not include nearly enough votes in the US Senate to come anywhere close to removing Obama from office via impeachment.

  483. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 13, 2010 at 1:17 pm #

    Dave: DrC: The term Obot certainly has no official definition, so there is room to disagree about its meaning — but I believe it is most commonly used to mean an Obama supporter. It is intended to imply that the President’s supporters are mindless worshippers, a common wingnut meme.

    In that case, anti-birthers don’t have a label. (“truthers” has already been taken.)

  484. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 13, 2010 at 1:28 pm #

    Squeeky Fromm: Taking your definition a teeny weeny bit further, what is the supposed reason why we ask such questions about Obama??? Is it a cover for political reasons, which I have read in a lot of places??? Because if so, then there is a POLITICAL component to our search, and as anti-Birthers, you would expect there to be a POLITICAL component to end our search.

    Taking Dave’s comment to heart, that “Obot” is a more general term, we see that this blog is where birthers and anti-birthers argue, not wwhere Obama supporters and opponents argue (and indeed political discussions over the general issue of how well Obama is doing as president are off limits here).

    So in a community whose sole purpose is to pit those who believe Obama is not eligible to be president (or doubt it) against those who believe the other side is certifiably nuts, you would expect a fairly hard position about releasing a birth certificate on both sides.

    People who support Obama in general may or may not care whether he releases yet another birth certificate, and those who oppose Obama (who are intelligent and well-informed) don’t care either.

    What you have not shown either by evidence or logical argument is that the birth certificate issue contributed to the recent election results and you have not shown that a birth certificate now would change anyone’s mind about Obama’s eligibility (these in any significant numbers).

    Personally I do not care whether Obama releases a birth certificate of not. It’s his choice. What I firmly believe, however, is that Obama already released a fully official birth certificate in June of 2008.

  485. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 13, 2010 at 1:43 pm #

    Joey:
    I think Squeaky Fromm owes everyone an answer to the question.
    Would Squeaky trust vital records released by the State of Hawai’i or would “she” not trust those records?Remember that in three weeks, Barack Hussein Obama’s closest personal friend in politics, Neil Abercrombie becomes the new Governor of Hawai’i and a Democratic administration replaces the Republican administration in that state.The “shellacking” did not include nearly enough votes in the US Senate to come anywhere close to removing Obama from office via impeachment.

    If it had been asked and NOT answered you would be right. But I have answered it before, and it just gets ignored. I don’t DISBELIEVE everything single thing government says or does. I am NOT stupid.

    But what you have here is somebody telling you to just TRUST HER she has seen a document, when the document is only a $10 one, and easy to get. I have said this before if you look above and the last time I was here. We discussed a whole bunch why documents are better than words.

    What we have had so far, is just a PICTURE of a document, that only one special little group gets to have in person, and that somebody nobody knows swears is real. This might be all you have if it was something burnt up, or at the bottom of the ocean. But a bumpy Birth Certificate or Long Form are things that it is easy get, or you may already have if it is the Long Form. But in spite of all the problems, we still don’t see it.

    I don’t distrust the whole state of Hawaii, and if they issue a certified birth certificate (bumpy) I will accept it.

    So, that is why. Now, being Obots, you will probably start all over on the “Does 300 million people need to get their very own???” stuff that has been answered a whole lot, too.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    Sef November 13, 2010 at 1:47 pm #

    Joey: The “shellacking” did not include nearly enough votes in the US Senate to come anywhere close to removing Obama from office via impeachment.

    If President Obama were to commit a really despicable act then I doubt party affiliation would matter much in the Senate. However, this has not occurred, nor did it occur in the 90’s.

  487. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 13, 2010 at 2:16 pm #

    Dr C:

    You said:

    1) So in a community whose sole purpose is to pit those who believe Obama is not eligible to be president (or doubt it) against those who believe the other side is certifiably nuts, you would expect a fairly hard position about releasing a birth certificate on both sides.

    2) People who support Obama in general may or may not care whether he releases yet another birth certificate, and those who oppose Obama (who are intelligent and well-informed) don’t care either.

    3) What you have not shown either by evidence or logical argument is that the birth certificate issue contributed to the recent election results and you have not shown that a birth certificate now would change anyone’s mind about Obama’s eligibility (these in any significant numbers).”

    To answer:

    1) No. i don’t expect a hard position from you on this. Why??? It’s just a $10 document. maybe you are satisfied with a PICTURE on the Internet, and that is your business. But what about people who aren’t, particularly those who view the continued refusal to release a bumpy one into PUBLIC as a suspicious activity in itself? And give good reasons why a president would do this, and bad reasons why they wouldn’t?

    I don’t see how a call on your part for Obama to cough it up, contradicts your side that we are just stupid to need it. What are we if it gets released??? Stupid people who have been satisfied? What is sooo bad about that.

    2) if people who support Obama could accept him releasing one as a political thing if nothing else, why can’t Obots??? What is it you think it might show??? If it is the same as the PICTURE on the Internet, then you could just TEE HEE! us a whole lot more, and this time we would have to take it.

    What you are saying really just supports my KISS position that there is no good reason not to cough it up.

    3) I think I have shown the effect. First, i think that 58% of Americans having some degree of doubt is a self-evident BAD THING for a American politician. But if it is not self evident to you, I also gave you Chris Matthews, who is a smart political person, view on it. Then I showed you another study where birth questions were tied in to the voters.

    I also think it is common sense that if two people applied for a job as a political advisor, and one of them said HOLY CRAP!, 58% have doubts??? We HAVE to fix that and quick!!! and the other person said, “58% have doubts? Oh, that’s no big deal. There isn’t any study that says that is a bad thing.”

    I think if these two people applied for the job, the first one would get it in a hurry. particularly if there had been a real bad shellacking that had just gone on.

    Plus, if people having doubts about where you were born was a GOOD thing, you would see more candidates starting their own ‘Where was I really born?” questions to win an election. I don’t think anybody is.

    Sooo, I think what you are doing here is the confirming bias thing. Which is also on page 96 of the Economy book I am reading. I think you are dismissing the CNN poll because it means us QUESTIONERS (Birthers) are having a real impact on what people think and that is not something you want to believe. But I don’t see why not. Because if what we do is important, then what you do is also important from your point of view.

    But, on the good side, you do believe that forums are where people can disagree! Sooo, thank you!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  488. avatar
    Joey November 13, 2010 at 2:23 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: If it had been asked and NOT answered you would be right. But I have answered it before, and it just gets ignored. I don’t DISBELIEVE everything single thing government says or does. I am NOT stupid. But what you have here is somebody telling you to just TRUST HER she has seen a document, when the document is only a $10 one, and easy to get. I have said this before if you look above and the last time I was here. We discussed a whole bunch why documents are better than words.What we have had so far, is just a PICTURE of a document, that only one special little group gets to have in person, and that somebody nobody knows swears is real. This might be all you have if it was something burnt up, or at the bottom of the ocean. But a bumpy Birth Certificate or Long Form are things that it is easy get, or you may already have if it is the Long Form. But in spite of all the problems, we still don’t see it.I don’t distrust the whole state of Hawaii, and if they issue a certified birth certificate (bumpy) I will accept it.So, that is why. Now, being Obots, you will probably start all over on the “Does 300 million people need to get their very own???” stuff that has been answered a whole lot, too.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    The state of Hawai’i already released a birth certificate that contains all of the information that the US Constitution requires to establish natural born citizen status. That birth certificate can be used for the issuance of a US passport and since the state of Hawai’i went paperless in 2001, it is the official birth certificate of the state of Hawai’i.

    However which “her” are you referring to? Director of Health Dr. Chiyome Fukino or Governor Linda Lingle? Both of them have confirmed that Obama was born in Hawai’i. There are contemporaneous birth announcements for Obama in the August 13 and 14th 1961 Honolulu newspapers and Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children published a letter from Obama in its 100th Anniversary magazine which mentions Kapi’olani as the place of his birth.

    Governor Linda Lingle: “And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background go and personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the President was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawai’i. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And again, I think it’s a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this.
    It’s been established, he was born here.”–Governor Linda Lingle (R).

    In her sworn testimony under oath in front of the Hawai’i Senate’s Committee on the Judiciary and Government Operations, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of Health for the state of Hawai’i said: “For more than a year now, the Department of Health has continued to receive approximately 50 e-mail inquiries a month seeking access to President Obama’s birth certificate IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA POSTED A COPY OF THE CERTIFICATE ON HIS FORMER CAMPAIGN WEBSITE. Hawaii is a “closed records” state, meaning that vital records are available only to those with a direct and tangible interest as defined by statute, hence, they are not subject to disclosure under public records requests.”

    Finally, if anybody really, truly, honestly needs to see further documentation of Barack Obama’s birth, they can simply go to a judge, get a subpoena and have the original birth record released to: “a person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order from a court of competent jurisdiction.”–Hawai’i Revised Statutes 338-18(b)(9)

  489. avatar
    Northland10 November 13, 2010 at 2:32 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: It’s just a $10 document. maybe you are satisfied with a PICTURE on the Internet, and that is your business. But what about people who aren’t, particularly those who view the continued refusal to release a bumpy one into PUBLIC as a suspicious activity in itself? And give good reasons why a president would do this, and bad reasons why they wouldn’t?

    Every time something is released that states his birthplace of Hawaii (COLB, Hawaii government, passport applications for his mother, newspaper announcements, etc.), they are called a fraud or forgery. Therefore, here are the President’s options:

    1. Do not ask the Hawaii to release a $10 “bumpy??” copy and be called a fraud, liar, criminal and traitor.

    2. Pay Hawaii $10 to release a “bumpy” copy to somebody and be called a fraud, liar criminal and traitor.

    Really, why pay $10 for something the birthers are quite willing to give out for free. It is all about fiscal responsibility.

  490. avatar
    SqueekyFromm November 13, 2010 at 2:50 pm #

    To Joey:

    It is a PICTURE on the Internet. Period. The question remains, why settle for PICTURES, and for people swearing things, when it is just a $10 document.

    To Northland:

    The PUBLIC has never gotten nothing but a PICTURE on the Internet. Obama hasn’t released anything since July 13, 2008, when the PICTURE was put on the Internet. If it had worked, and there had been no questions, maybe that would have been good. BUT IT DIDN’T WORK. That is just REALITY.

    Obama hasn’t given up anything else, which is what is soooo surprising and suspicious. Because it’s just a stupid $10 document, that we have supposedly already seen a PICTURE of. When it DOESN’T get coughed up, for almost 2 1/2 years, something is wrong. KISS.

    But, I have to got lay down and take a nap. I am going out tonight and will be out late. Sooo, no I am NOT running away if I don’t answer for a while.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  491. avatar
    Majority Will November 13, 2010 at 3:01 pm #

    Northland10:
    Every time something is released that states his birthplace of Hawaii (COLB, Hawaii government, passport applications for his mother, newspaper announcements, etc.), they are called a fraud or forgery.Therefore, here are the President’s options:1.Do not ask the Hawaii to release a $10 “bumpy??” copy and be called a fraud, liar, criminal and traitor.
    2.Pay Hawaii $10 to release a “bumpy” copy to somebody and be called a fraud, liar criminal and traitor.Really, why pay $10 for something the birthers are quite willing to give out for free.It is all about fiscal responsibility.

    This thread.

    Oh, this is futile. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. Yes it is. No it isn’t. But I came here for an argument . . No . . . . wait.

    Where are being hit on the head lessons? At Gretawire?

  492. avatar
    Greg November 13, 2010 at 3:03 pm #

    Most Republicans doubt evolution. Unless you show how that translates into votes, it’s just an interesting statistic. But, if a job applicant were to say, “wow, that is a self-evidently bad thing, we must go change it!” He’d be laughed out of the room.

    58% of Americans have doubts about Obama’s citizenship (assuming “probably born here really equals doubt) and 52% have doubts about the economy. You think your interviewee would tell the candidate he should rush to address the birthers?

    But, we don’t have to guess about what the political advisers were telling their bosses, do we, Squeeky? No Republicans called for Obama to release the bumpy form, did they? At least, no winning candidate. And candidates were defeated after being tarred with the birther brush, weren’t they?

  493. avatar
    Majority Will November 13, 2010 at 3:16 pm #

    Enjoy arguing with a confessed drunk and illiterate moron who obviously lacks simple reading comprehension skills.

    “The PUBLIC has never gotten nothing but a PICTURE on the Internet.”

    That’s a lie. The “public” had every opportunity to examine the official COLB.

    Perhaps the birthers were passed out from too many margaritas at that time.

    “FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false.”

    “Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it’s stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates).”

    Pants on fire.

  494. avatar
    Joey November 13, 2010 at 4:04 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: To Joey:It is a PICTURE on the Internet. Period. The question remains, why settle for PICTURES, and for people swearing things, when it is just a $10 document.To Northland:The PUBLIC has never gotten nothing but a PICTURE on the Internet. Obama hasn’t released anything since July 13, 2008, when the PICTURE was put on the Internet. If it had worked, and there had been no questions, maybe that would have been good. BUT IT DIDN’T WORK. That is just REALITY.Obama hasn’t given up anything else, which is what is soooo surprising and suspicious. Because it’s just a stupid $10 document, that we have supposedly already seen a PICTURE of. When it DOESN’T get coughed up, for almost 2 1/2 years, something is wrong. KISS.But, I have to got lay down and take a nap. I am going out tonight and will be out late. Sooo, no I am NOT running away if I don’t answer for a while.Squeeky FrommGirl Reporter

    ANY document that has been released or that might be released by the state of Hawai’i will be a PICTURE. It will be a COPY of the original document. There is no circumstance EVER where a state would release an original, long form, vault copy document.
    You are aware of the techology of reprographics, aren’t you? If any human being requests their “birth certificate,” what they get is a COPY, a picture of the original document. That is what your ten dollars gets you: a hard copy PICTURE.
    The PICTURES of Obama’s birth records have been backed up by official statements from the government of the state of Hawai’i” “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai’i Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health VERIFYING Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural born American citizen.”–July 29, 2009

    For anyone who requires more information on Obama’s birth than has been released, they have the option of not voting for Obama in the November, 2012 election.

  495. avatar
    Sef November 13, 2010 at 4:22 pm #

    Joey:
    ANY document that has been released or that might be released by the state of Hawai’i will be a PICTURE. It will be a COPY of the original document. There is no circumstance EVER where a state would release an original, long form, vault copy document.
    You are aware of the techology of reprographics, aren’t you? If any human being requests their “birth certificate,” what they get is a COPY, a picture of the original document. That is what your ten dollars gets you: a hard copy PICTURE.
    The PICTURES of Obama’s birth records have been backed up by official statements from the government of the state of Hawai’i” “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai’i Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health VERIFYINGBarack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural born American citizen.”–July 29, 2009For anyone who requires more information on Obama’s birth than has been released, they have the option of not voting for Obama in the November, 2012 election.

    Even if Squeeks were a foot away from the real, actual, bumpy document all she would get would be a “picture” on her retina. That’s just how the world works. Reality can only be inferred.

  496. avatar
    Majority Will November 13, 2010 at 4:31 pm #

    Sef: Reality can only be inferred.

    Or in Birferstan, implied.

  497. avatar
    Joey November 13, 2010 at 4:32 pm #

    Sef: Even if Squeeks were a foot away from the real, actual, bumpy document all she would get would be a “picture” on her retina. That’s just how the world works. Reality can only be inferred.

    “Inferred reality” is a bit too esoteric for me! ๐Ÿ˜‰
    Back in what I am inferring is the “real” world, that “shellacking” that Squeaky-Weaky refers to will allow the Republican committee chairpersons to issue subpoeanas for Obama’s birth documents when they take control of the House in January. It will be interesting to see if such subpoenas are forthcoming or whether the Republicans feel that politically, they get more mileage out of NOT seeing Obama’s birth records than they get from seeing them and possibly putting the issue to rest once and for all.

  498. avatar
    misha November 13, 2010 at 4:51 pm #

    SqueekyFromm: Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    I’m going to start signing:

    Lee Harvey Oswald
    Boy Reporter

  499. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 13, 2010 at 5:12 pm #